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Same-sex education, or male teachers as an endangered species

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Russian President Vladimir Putin on the eve noted that one of the achievements of recent years was an increase in the level of wages of employees of state-financed organizations and institutions, as well as an increase in the level of authority of a modern teacher. In other words, in the current educational institutions in the country, students and teachers of teachers began to respect themselves because of their special status, according to the head of state.




Can I agree with this? Well, at least it should be noted that the presidential statement is very controversial. After all, the authority of the teacher and the prestige of his work is a thing that depends not only on such a factor as “who is in the classroom at the school desks”. More than respectful students may sit at the desks, but it is unlikely that in the end this somehow adds the prestige of the pedagogical activity itself. The children perfectly see that the teacher, with all of them (for the most part) respect for him, is forced to devote at least as much time to paperwork as he does to communicate directly with the students. Children also feel that respect for the teacher on their part is not at all a guarantee of respect for him from various kinds of “monitoring” instances.

This problem continues to grow like a snowball. Teachers, forgive, howl from the fact that the reporting activity goes beyond the limits of adequacy. The amount of working time, which is determined, so to speak, officially, the teacher lacks catastrophically. Paperwork is no less catastrophically devouring both the learning process itself and, elementarily, the teacher’s personal time, which (perhaps the testing authorities have forgotten about it) is also an ordinary person, and after the working day it also has the right to rest.

In general, at the moment, the formula determining the parameters of pedagogical activity boils down to the following: the success of a teacher by supervising bodies is directly dependent on how good things are in his “on paper”. Papers govern the educational process, and therefore you can be at least three times a respected teacher by students, but this doesn’t bother the terry bureaucracy at all, especially if you have not recorded every teacher’s step on paper with a detailed report. There is a report, there is a completed form, there is that form, another form, in forms - everything is “beautiful” - then, as they say, you are welcome to the elite club of successful teachers, teachers of the year, “millennia”, “Universe”, etc. For everyone else - sorry ...

The profession itself is increasingly becoming openly feminine. Do not think that this is some kind of sexist lunge with respect to the fair sex. Not at all. Here it is different: most men simply do not see in themselves the potentials for “hypersensitivity” in order to “delight” endless checks with an innumerable number of waste paper on the work done. There are certainly exceptions, but the fact of the matter is that these are only exceptions.

If we compare over time periods, the last quarter century has become a time when there is a clear anti-record in the number of male teachers in Russia. There are no official statistics on these figures, but it is safe to say that men favor teaching activities less and less.

For example.
The open data on the new school in Voronezh (102-I) is the same one to which the residents of nearby high-rise buildings stood at night to record the child, warming themselves with hot tea and discussing why “it was my, not your, child who should go to this school”:
from 60 representatives of the teaching and administrative staff of men - 12. This is 20 percent.

And these are still significant figures of the “male presence”.

In other schools in the country, the percentage of male educators is often lower.

Here, for example, is a photograph from the site of the 25 school of Saratov.

Same-sex education, or male teachers as an endangered species


What is called, without comment ...


Perm school №16. From 81 representative of the teaching staff of men - 10.

Rostov School №55. 31 teacher. Men - four.

There are quite a few schools where there is no male “personnel” in the teaching staff at all.

On the one hand, the skill of the teacher, as, in principle, of any other specialist, not determined by its gender. However, in pedagogy there is a nuance that cannot be missed. It is about the education system, which, as in a full family, is determined by the presence of both parents and the presence of their common educational contribution to their children. One can argue with that, but there are certain numbers that speak for themselves. Last year, the number of marriages in Russia amounted to about 1,1 million, and in the same year more than 610 thousand couples broke up, filing a divorce. New dozens (or even hundreds of thousands) of families have appeared, in which raising children becomes a constant process on the part of only one of the parents. In most cases - from the mother.

In other words, the feminine principle in education prevails in thousands of Russian families - at home, the feminine principle prevails in the school. The male component of the educational process actually comes to naught (and the process was launched far from yesterday). Where does she, this component, come from when there are less and less men in modern schools.

From the point of view of educating future men, defenders of the Fatherland, this is a real problem that can be solved if the state is really interested in the approach to keeping traditions and the very “scrap” that is often heard from the stands.

Bureaucrats, school leavers and paperworkers in order to present the “upstairs” report more representatively make the Russian education virtually same-sex. This is one of the components of the fact that the graduation from school often forms such a final product, which is not at all to blame for itself, that no masculine principle has been incorporated into it. What then - the problems of socialization, household dissatisfaction, the gap in what he wants and what he is capable of.

The other day I came across an article by Natalia Yanikova, teacher of the year (2017) in the Pskov Region. The article is called "What I see school in 10 years". It presents the 12 theses of the teacher about the new school.

Here is one of them:
Thesis 1. In the future, the concept of the profession is blurred. This will affect the profession of the teacher. Many teachers will need to retrain, turn a hobby into an opportunity to earn extra money.

That is, the teacher of the year in the Pskov region frankly says that even in 10 years, the school teacher will have to look for financial luck somewhere on the side to simply meet the needs of his family. From the series (after yesterday’s nomination of a well-known candidate, it’s once again relevant): “Go to business” ...

Thesis 9. Teachers in school will also be from time to time dive into reporting. After all, this reporting will allow building flexible management of the educational process. And we will become database operators.

"Dive". Selected the exact definition of this process.

I wonder which of the teachers reporting, which is increasingly trying to replace the direct pedagogical live process, helped them to “flexibly manage”? Rather, the process itself, through the often most ridiculous immersion in documentation, learned to “flexibly manage” the teacher — for the needs of the testing staff, but not for the needs of the younger generation and the interests of the country.

For some reason, after these two theses, a pessimistic picture is drawn of how several male teachers (and not only men) wrote resignation from the profession for the simple reason that a colleague explains to them: nothing will change with the bureaucracy, as well as with wages but, therefore, look for incomes in another place or ... And as a result, the state will write off everything on the vocation - they say, they left because “they did not have it” ... “Nothing - others will come: young, ambitious”. And there they want to show themselves, but in the end it often turns out like the other day in Kurgan - the patriotic message of the posters for 9 may have eaten breathtaking errors from the series "and so it will come down - but the designer has two towers" ... And the school, judging by the vector of work of officials from education, “traditionally” should be enough for the Trudovik with a fizruk, the rest will be done by “advanced innovations” and “effective managers” ... And these “effective” to education, if possible, would not allow a gun shot.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 8 May 2018 05: 49
    +40
    Another problem ... One of my friends was forced to leave proffesion after a conflict with the student’s parents ... A boy of ten years was a complete bastard .. Accused of pedophilia ... Understood .. But so many nerves were spent that now works differently specialty...
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 May 2018 09: 07
      +24
      The Internet is full of videos where students, especially high school students, openly mock teachers.
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 8 May 2018 13: 29
        +9
        Vard:
        Another problem ... One of my friends was forced to leave proffesion after a conflict with the student’s parents ... A boy of ten years was a complete bastard .. Accused of pedophilia ... Understood .. But so many nerves were spent that now works differently specialty...

        Article 128.1. Slander
        1. Slander, i.e. dissemination of knowingly false information discrediting the honor and dignity of another person or undermining his reputation-
        shall be punished by a fine in the amount of up to five hundred thousand rubles ...
        PS Plus moral damage.
        And, impunity is the basis of permissiveness.
        Yes, and this school needs an example for the future, it will discipline.
        1. krops777
          krops777 8 May 2018 15: 23
          +5
          PS Plus moral damage.


          And how much hesitate to ask our humane court will determine the payment of non-pecuniary damage? Thousand 10 no more, if a million and the court would initially stand on the side of the teacher then yes.
          1. kiril-belo
            kiril-belo 8 May 2018 17: 27
            +3
            the court should not initially stand on any side, because it is a court! In court, at the end of the process, a determination is made of who is right and who is to blame. Just the minimum penalty in such cases as described above should be raised by 100 thousand.
            1. tigoda
              tigoda 10 May 2018 15: 29
              0
              The court MUST initially stand on the side of the people, i.e. the law. If the judge sees lawlessness and does nothing, such as an innocent acquitted, that’s all, the arms folded up, this is lawlessness.
              1. vladmort
                vladmort 11 May 2018 00: 15
                +3
                70% of judges in Russia are women. how can they be on the side of the law? They are on the side of their hormonal background.
        2. TOR2
          TOR2 8 May 2018 20: 06
          0
          Quote: Pax tecum
          Article 128.1. Slander

          Yes, here campaign Article 307 of the Criminal Code. Obviously false testimony.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 8 May 2018 22: 16
            +6
            Quote: TOR2
            Yes, here campaign Article 307 of the Criminal Code. Obviously false testimony.

            I visit my daughter at school, all classes are equipped with cameras. Archive according to regulatory requirements must be at least 30 days. When communicating with today's children, you need to choose a place in the camera visibility zone. I think the problem of the rudeness of some children cannot be solved without a hard impact on their parents. In one of the northern single-industry towns, the director of the city-forming enterprise set out to put things in order, among other things, in schools. And he managed to do it through his parents, though he dismissed some particularly "caring" dads from a big salary. But the rest began to listen to the school director sooo much. The question of rudeness to the teacher went into oblivion. Only political will is needed.
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      3. Gato
        Gato 8 May 2018 19: 55
        0
        It means only that the person (teacher) is not engaged in his own business.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 8 May 2018 09: 17
      +14
      Mevdvedev said that a teacher is a vocation, not a profession. If you want to earn money, go into business (trade Chinese clothes in the local market). Until teachers are recognized as civil servants, schooling will continue to fall apart.
      1. bessonov932
        bessonov932 8 May 2018 14: 54
        +3
        Medvedev did not make a slip! This is a position close to him by the HSE, which has long usurped the development of school education.
    3. max702
      max702 8 May 2018 10: 33
      +18
      Make a teacher’s salary starting at 100 rubles, and you won’t get over the peasants at school .. And the students, like their parents, will be respectful .. As long as a mordant teacher who receives a penny cannot be a respected person, there are of course exceptions, but they confirm rule .. And since this is the link from the chain to destroy our country, as the Amer’s presidents said, the secondary school education of the USSR poses the greatest threat to capitalism .. They could not compete with it in the West, so they directed all their efforts to destroy it from the inside ..
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 8 May 2018 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: max702
        Make a teacher’s salary starting at 100 rubles, and you won’t get crowded by men at school ..

        Why trifle, let's 500 thousand at once. Is this the hardest profession?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 8 May 2018 11: 16
          +29
          Well, try to work as a teacher for at least a year. In the current realities, with a bunch of bureaucracy, dissolved children and their scum parents. And yet, you really have to educate children.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 8 May 2018 11: 27
            +5
            Quote: Greenwood
            dissolved children and their scum parents.

            Is there only one side to the coin in our life? Are you a parent yourself? Are you scum And all the teachers - white sheep, never humiliate, do not shout at children, do not underestimate grades reasonably? If the parent, answer - will you defend the rights of your child in case of an unfair treatment or will you demand an increase in the salary of an incompetent teacher?
            The dilemma, huh?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 11: 33
              +3
              Quote: Prometey
              Are you a parent yourself? Are you scum

              1. ochakow703
                ochakow703 8 May 2018 12: 08
                +2
                So what? We have young people under 35 years old. Therefore, it can be childish and not scum.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 12: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: ochakow703
                  Therefore, it can be childish and not scum

                  Judging by the comments, there is still a child request
                  Although you, of course, are right - it may be "childish".
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 14: 01
                    +9
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Judging by the comments, there is still a child

                    According to your comments, the same twofold feeling is either babble or senility. wassat How old are you? laughing
                    According to the article - the ex-wife at school is an accountant, so now the situation is such a teacher (the bulk) of mediocrity, children are scumbags.
                    The education system needs to be changed radically, and you need to start by introducing separate education in high school. Cancellation of the exam by itself.
                    And so the author is right in his conclusions, but he is not the first. There was a great article at VO -
                    "Educational debauchery". hi
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 15: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      According to your comments, the same twofold feeling is either babble or senility

                      Osia, when I need your help or something else, I will call you.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      According to the article ...

                      But your comments practically do not differ from each other - all the same set of stamps ...
                      Bored with you, Osia request
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 17: 55
                        +2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Osia, when I need your help or something else, I will call you

                        Yes, I myself choose where to go, what to say. wink
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Bored with you, Osia

                        So I'm not a clown, amuse you. request
                  2. Koshak
                    Koshak 8 May 2018 15: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Judging by the comments, there is still a child
                    Although you, of course, are right - it may be "childish".


                    One does not interfere with the other, neither biologically nor socially.
            2. ochakow703
              ochakow703 8 May 2018 12: 05
              +15
              You, dear Prometheus, first set priorities in terms of priority in the process of raising a child. And if you think that school should be everything, and parents only need to produce (have fun) in the world, then of course, teachers still have to pay poor parents. Have you ever been to school?
              And every second parent takes up the defense of the rights of his child. And you know why? Well how? There must be absolution, there must be someone guilty of the failures of your beloved child! And I work, I have no time, I brought you (to you !!!) him to school, you (you!) Receive MONEY for this - teach, educate. It seems to me, dear Prometheus, you are one of those children who did not flog at home, but expected from the school that she would do everything herself.
              1. Prometey
                Prometey 8 May 2018 12: 22
                +1
                Quote: ochakow703
                And every second parent takes up the defense of the rights of his child. And you know why?

                No, not everyone. During the 4 years of my daughter’s studies, I only went to a showdown with the teacher once, when, frankly, I took it out and began to get personal with the parents before the class. As the child moved to another class with another teacher, I did not even appear at school, and the child goes to school in the mood. And in relation to my teaching staff, I always tell them that in any conflict, I will first of all take the side of the child, and then find out who owes whom.
                Quote: ochakow703
                You are one of those children who did not flog at home, but expected from the school that she would do everything herself.

                And, you know, I didn’t flog my child either - I don’t see much courage in this.
                Good luck with your upbringing.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 14: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: Prometey
                  I didn’t flog my child either - I don’t see much courage in this

                  And it's not about courage, it's just that the children are different. I have 4 daughters, and 2 of them are furry, and two are not. My mother really flogged me, and I understood her only when my children went. request
                2. ochakow703
                  ochakow703 8 May 2018 16: 24
                  +3
                  Imagine, I didn’t ruin my people either, but I brought up worthy people. But you should be flogged judging by the reviews of teachers. Yes, they are different and not holy, but a worthy parent will always find a common language with a person who educates and teaches his child, and never (remember) will never say the obscene himself, and will not allow the child to say disgusting things about the teacher, because in life there are two jewelry is the health that God gives us and the doctor preserves (restores), and knowledge is also from God and the teacher. The other is simply not given.
                  And the fact that you boast of involvement in pedagogy, I am very ashamed of you.
                  1. Prometey
                    Prometey 8 May 2018 17: 22
                    0
                    Quote: ochakow703
                    And the fact that you boast of involvement in pedagogy, I am very ashamed of you.

                    Your opinion is very important to me, write further.
                    Quote: ochakow703
                    Yes, they are different and not holy, but a worthy parent will always find a common language with a person who educates and teaches his child, and never (remember) will never say the obscene himself, and will not allow the child to say disgusting things to the teacher, because in life there are two jewelry is the health that God gives us and the doctor preserves (restores), and knowledge is also from God and the teacher. The other is simply not given.

                    You have vinaigrette in your head.
                    1. ochakow703
                      ochakow703 8 May 2018 18: 08
                      +2
                      "Your opinion is very important to me, write further."
                      It’s a pity ...
                      "Vinaigrette in your head."
                      I don’t think so. But you confidently point to beets, and call it cabbage. Excuse me, it happened.
                3. ochakow703
                  ochakow703 8 May 2018 17: 44
                  +1
                  "For 4 years of my daughter’s studies, I only went to disassembly with teacher "
                  Here is the root! And if you had gone to school twenty-four times during these four years, you just had a human talk with the teacher, helped her (him) with advice, and talked about the problematic aspects of your child ... so maybe you wouldn’t have to “disassemble” go.
                  1. Prometey
                    Prometey 8 May 2018 18: 20
                    0
                    Quote: ochakow703
                    And if you had gone to school twenty-four times over these four years

                    My friend, it’s not permissible for me to go to conversations 20 times with an incompetent specialist who cannot find contact with a child who has one drawback - she does not solve math problems well, but she is the only one in the class who knows the multiplication table by heart and in the mind multiplies two-digit numbers.
                    I talked with this "specialist" twice - for good. The third time, the limit of patience was exhausted. Only for some reason, only after that it dawned on what they want from her.
            3. krops777
              krops777 8 May 2018 15: 39
              0
              Is there only one side to the coin in our life? Are you a parent yourself? Are you scum And all the teachers - white sheep, never humiliate, do not shout at children, do not underestimate grades reasonably?


              I agree with you, but calculate the percentage of teachers and children, as well as the fact that the teacher usually has a higher profile education (it says a lot), the number is not adequate where there will be more, it’s not correct some kind of medal is obtained where the obverse is more than the reverse .
            4. sergo42
              sergo42 10 May 2018 12: 28
              0
              The kids are really really loose now. In each class, there are two or three clinical hyperactive idiots, and usually they have inadequate, but very active parents who believe that their children are white and fluffy, and everyone around is just finding fault with them.
            5. Barkun
              Barkun 12 May 2018 12: 23
              0
              There’s a thing here ... When a teacher is a parent, then he looks at a child from the position of a teacher, because he knows this kitchen. I have not had a lot of purely school experience, about five years at the dawn of my career, but during this time there have never been conflicts with parents and teachers, and the same with the children of teachers. All of their own. Everyone understands everything. What is characteristic, again, very good relations have developed with gypsy parents and Azerbaijanis, contrary to all prejudices. And the upper grades are still the same cocktail.

              And it was very hard a couple of times with our homegrown Belarusians from officials. More precisely, with wives. The conversation with my father all brought back to normal, although, in the beginning, they were not grabbing at the breasts :). Here's the thing: there is no justice, because there is no objective criterion for it. One criterion is knowledge. If the oak tree also tries to be rude ... Oak is a teenager (with all the pros and cons). It must be broken off and, sometimes, hard. Few teachers are capable of this; they usually shy away from conflict.
          2. Pollux
            Pollux 9 May 2018 01: 12
            +1
            Quote: Greenwood
            Well, try to work as a teacher for at least a year.

            And you try to get oil in the far north ... at least a year.
        2. imrek_ua
          imrek_ua 8 May 2018 11: 17
          +13
          This is really hard work. And she should be well paid.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 8 May 2018 11: 28
            0
            Quote: imrek_ua
            This is really hard work. And she should be well paid.

            Not harder than a steelworker or pipeline welder.
            1. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
              Tolyamba Zamkadsky 8 May 2018 14: 39
              +3
              Well, I would not be so categorical.
            2. Bad_santa
              Bad_santa 8 May 2018 15: 50
              +3
              Exhausting morally. I have an older brother, a teacher at school. That is, the teacher as he says. According to him, these were teachers before, because they not only provided knowledge, but also engaged in upbringing. Now, one can not even mention any upbringing on the part of the teacher. The only function that they were left to do was to give knowledge, but whether the student learns it or not is not their business. Learning problems - hire tutors. Here is such a radish now with our education ... it is not even possible for the teacher to make comments on the upbringing now, because the child can complain to the parents and they can condemn the teacher legally. After all, children are always right
              1. Prometey
                Prometey 8 May 2018 17: 30
                0
                Quote: Bad_Santa
                The only function that they were left to do was to give knowledge, but whether the student learns it or not is not their business. Learning problems - hire tutors.

                Well, in whom is there a problem after all?
                Quote: Bad_Santa
                it’s not even possible for the teacher to make comments on education

                Come on.
                Quote: Bad_Santa
                because the child can complain to the parents and they can legally sue the teacher.

                And many were condemned? Have you heard about the introduction of juvenile justice? Do you know that now the state gives the school more and more rights to interfere in family affairs, that parents are obliged to report for absenteeism? If they are not accountable, guardianship officials and juvenile inspectors come to the aid of the school. A child came to school with a bruise, social. the teacher must inform the social. protection, and they went further up the line. And already the parents will make excuses that this is not a beating. Not everything is as simple as you think.
                1. KERMET
                  KERMET 8 May 2018 22: 04
                  0
                  Looks like my two daughters go to the wrong schools
            3. gm9019
              gm9019 8 May 2018 22: 18
              +6
              Quote: Prometey
              Not harder than a steelworker or pipeline welder.

              It is difficult to compare hot with soft, etc. I have 45 years of work at school, and I consider my working life a success to the highest degree. But now there is nothing left of the vocal cords (I could work out 9 lessons in a row), from the legs (I only worked standing up. Always) and much more. This is about physical labor. But there are still notebooks until one in the morning, there are plans, there are calls from parents at any time of the day and any day, there are excursions on weekends, trips. Children dream, parents dream at the meeting, dream lessons (eh, how could it be better to tell everything ?!) - the head is constantly occupied. This is if you work correctly and with the soul.
              Such a job. good
            4. sergo42
              sergo42 10 May 2018 12: 29
              0
              Only a welder has several times more salary
        3. ochakow703
          ochakow703 8 May 2018 11: 54
          +11
          And you, dear Prometheus, who is by profession? You probably didn’t attend school? Nugget, however! Here Greenwood suggested you work for a year at school, so I think he got excited. Enough for a month, so that your roof goes sideways. So, that’s still a profession.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 8 May 2018 12: 14
            0
            Quote: ochakow703
            Enough for a month, so that your roof goes sideways.

            There is no point in organizing battles on the Internet - read my posts below and understand if I worked in education or not.
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 9 May 2018 23: 53
            0
            Quote: ochakow703
            And you, dear Prometheus, who is by profession?

            Apparently a steelmaker, pipe welder in the far north and a representative of progressive youth! 3 in 1 like Head & Shoulders ... wink
        4. kiril-belo
          kiril-belo 8 May 2018 17: 30
          +1
          certainly not the most, but those pennies that get completely young people at school do not seduce. From 30 thousand p in the current conditions, but with a transparent possibility of growth of thousands to 100.
        5. V. Salama
          V. Salama 8 May 2018 20: 17
          +7
          Quote: Prometey
          ... is this the hardest profession?

          These are constant emotional and intellectual overloads ... This is hellish work and, - complete disappointment at the end ... This is creativity at the extreme limit of possibilities when you try to find a solution to the contradiction between the volume of training material and the time allocated for its presentation; maintain the effectiveness of the pedagogical process at the required level in the absence of substantive compliance. This is the hardest moral burden of responsibility from the understanding that the marriage in your work, although not so noticeable, but the consequences from it will be worse than the consequences of errors in the design of a nuclear reactor. At the same time, all this thankless work is carried out in the conditions of harmful activity of officials of the Ministry of Education, who seem to have nothing to do with education, or are called upon to destroy this education, in connection with the transformation of the educational process into an educational service, experiments with educational programs, the destruction of the scientific base of the process training and education ...
          But this is if one is tormented with a conscience, and so ... Why should school preserve innocence when everyone around is "earning"? Okay, I won’t specify ... We have what we have, because we ourselves created it and cannot be fixed with salaries alone,
      2. your1970
        your1970 8 May 2018 12: 35
        +2
        Quote: max702
        carries the secondary school education of the USSR ..
        - that is why in the 70-80s, parents told the children, "And if you don’t study well, you’ll go to ped !!" ....
        1. max702
          max702 8 May 2018 23: 11
          +3
          Quote: your1970
          - that is why in the 70-80s, parents told the children, "And if you don’t study well, you’ll go to ped !!" ....

          Yes, it was precisely then that the collapse of the country began, and it was from that .. the authority of the teacher of the 50-60s was lost and the result is today we see .. It will be even worse for those pathetic remnants of the good and the right to achieve .. Alas ... We have the same they said no mind, go to the ped, no shame, go to the honey ... Even this insulting saying speaks of the global mistake made by the state. But I repeat, judging by the fact that the berries are ahead now ..
          1. gm9019
            gm9019 9 May 2018 14: 03
            +2
            Quote: max702
            Yes, it was then that the collapse of the country began, and it was from that .. the authority of the teacher of the 50-60s was lost and today we are seeing the result ..

            Strongly disagree with you! 70-80 years I remember with gratitude - it was HAPPINESS! And the joy of communicating with children, and deep mutual respect, and the parents who came to consult, find out how their little one is and what to do, and a sea of ​​flowers (all sorts of pop stars have a rest!)). The work was with children and for children, not for inspectors and reports. Yes, we were never rich, but happiness, real happiness, is not from money.
            In the 90s, the new director said: Teach as you want, but only so that the children KNOW the chemistry. I wrote three programs - for biologists, humanists, techies. Universities entered regularly and without tutors. Then, based on these materials, they asked me to write books - I wrote them. I know that people still use them today.

            And the last years of my work is the most severe regulation of everything and everything, reports, papers ... Here are 7 (seven) papers that need to be drawn up in order to take out, say, even one child! Only then will the director sign an “exit permit”. And if God forbid for a few days ... Oooo! Do we need it ?! stop

            PySy: I went to ped voluntarily, passed 19 exams for 4 points (chemistry, physics, mathematics, essay - 4) and in 2 cases there was a “dissenting opinion of the commission” for extraordinary answers.
      3. Vard
        Vard 8 May 2018 13: 08
        +3
        As a child, America magazine somehow fell into the hands of ... It was like that ... and there the elementary school teacher decided to go to Europe with her girlfriend on vacation ... For years my teacher went in the same dress ... probably on a trip to America was saving up ...
        1. Bad_santa
          Bad_santa 8 May 2018 15: 55
          +1
          This situation is not everywhere. The brother works at a school in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, so there he and his wife (paramedic), two children, are paid a plane every year to the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus and back. ZP is the same at the level, but in the last couple of years they cut it not sickly
      4. Lebedev
        Lebedev 8 May 2018 15: 26
        +1
        Your words to God in the ears)))
  2. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 8 May 2018 06: 03
    +5
    honestly, when was it different? there has always been an overwhelming number of female teachers in schools. is always. in my school (about 1000 schoolchildren) there were 7 or 8 male teachers (moreover, one OBZh, two physical education, two Trudoviks) for several dozen women, this something did not plunge anyone into horror and panic.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 8 May 2018 07: 29
      +13
      Otherwise it was while paying normal money. In vocational schools, technical schools and universities, the teachers were mostly men.
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 8 May 2018 09: 01
        +14
        At a minimum, history and social science teachers should be men.
        Pedagogy and psychology, in the process of teaching these disciplines, will also form the consciousness and worldview of the school as a social institution.
        And, if the teacher is also with rich life experience, talent to captivate with his subject, then he, after all, will not have a price.
        PS The salary of Prime Minister Medvedev to school teachers, and let him go to business. For the population of the country, I am sure that the teacher-teacher is important, and not Medvedev, the prime minister.
        1. Bad_santa
          Bad_santa 8 May 2018 16: 00
          +5
          My history teacher was a man. He knew the subject perfectly and left for excavations every summer. An expedition with his participation in our region’s north even found a parking lot of an ancient man who had never met before. With high school students during the summer holidays he went down the river in catamarans and kayaks. In general, a man took his business seriously
      2. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 8 May 2018 09: 02
        +3
        Quote: Sma11
        Otherwise it was while paying normal money. In vocational schools, technical schools and universities, the teachers were mostly men.

        you university and school do not equal. in universities and now is full of men.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 8 May 2018 11: 03
          0
          Quote: K0
          in universities and now is full of men.

          In universities, salaries of teachers are lower than in schools, unless you are a doctor of sciences, of course.
          1. bessonov932
            bessonov932 8 May 2018 15: 06
            0
            I confirm! In a good gymnasium under normal load - about 80 thousand rubles.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 10 May 2018 00: 01
              +1
              Quote: bessonov932
              I confirm! In a good gymnasium under normal load - about 80 thousand rubles.

              Come Moscow?
              1. bessonov932
                bessonov932 10 May 2018 21: 22
                0
                In the Mother See and more happens. Peter.
      3. your1970
        your1970 8 May 2018 12: 38
        +2
        Quote: Sma11
        Otherwise it was while paying normal money. In vocational schools, technical schools and universities, the teachers were mostly men.
        -mate in Soviet times, peasant teachers were not in NOT bribe-intensive universities (teachers, culture, etc.).
        Quote: Pax tecum
        At a minimum, history and social science teachers should be men.
        - the formula is good, how to attract? s / n of 100 thousand? so there will not be the best, but the most nimble / thieves / relatives ...
        1. Anasti
          Anasti 8 May 2018 13: 40
          0
          http://svet-miru2009.narod.ru/shkola-schetinina-1
          .html is a good learning option.
          But we need citizens' initiative to organize this. Our caste state is not interested in the development of simpletons.
        2. Sma11
          Sma11 8 May 2018 19: 13
          +2
          Quote: your1970
          in Soviet times, there were no peasant teachers NOT bribe-intensive universities (teachers, culture, etc.).

          It’s you what kind of “inconsistent” cultural institutions, pedagogical institutes, etc. you mean? Vyunosh practically in all universities of the union could enter without dough and connections. If only the brains would be in place. Teaching in universities "sheared" only "dullness", and if you studied normally, then no one "flattened" you. This is now the generation of the Unified State Examination milked by all and sundry.
          1. your1970
            your1970 10 May 2018 09: 08
            0
            Quote: Sma11
            Vyunosh practically in all universities of the union could enter without dough and connections.
            - in MGIMO, in Baumanka, in the “kerosene” (named after Gubkin), in the Volsky rear / Yaroslavl financial ??? !!!! Syzran helicopter? Generally in aviation?
            About dentists / gynecologists / urologists and trade universities in general I am silent ...

            Quote: Sma11
            If only the brains would be in place. Teaching at universities "sheared" only "gray",
            And in Soviet times, "gray" didn’t go to institutes ?? or a joke about
            "- this is not a ram. A ram learns - and this is a gift" - yesterday came up ????
            and milked and flattened - it was just more delicate.
            Now they just say with everyone at the lecture "2-3-5 -... thousand for the exam and you are free" or "Whoever bought my book - offset automatically"
            1. Sma11
              Sma11 10 May 2018 20: 20
              0
              Quote: your1970
              - in MGIMO, in Baumanka, in the “kerosene” (named after Gubkin), in the Volsky rear / Yaroslavl financial ??? !!!! Syzran helicopter? Generally in aviation?
              About dentists / gynecologists / urologists and trade universities in general I am silent ...

              I don’t know what country you lived in and what time, but judging by the nickname a little younger than me and I hope in union. But graduates of a provincial school (my peers) entered Baumanka, Moscow Aviation Institute, Moscow State University, and Fizteh. I can’t say anything about financial ones. The military guys went almost to classes (large military garrison). And tank, and aviation, and rear, and naval, and artillery, etc. etc. And I didn’t even hear about some kind of “gimmicks”. No, of course, “thieves” were also missing, but they were eliminated in the first two courses, as a rule. And who wanted to do it, they came from the second, third time, from the army (to the military), after the army, after the first course in the profile, after the first course to the first military man. There were many ways. Teachers, too, with the "sheep" is not "high" to work even for the loot. So your answer is too exaggerated.
    2. Prometey
      Prometey 8 May 2018 07: 35
      +6
      Quote: K0
      honestly, when was it different?

      Did not have. The work of a teacher in our country has become almost a female profession since the establishment of Soviet power - just a statement of fact. But from my own experience I’ll say that it’s easier for a man in the education system to work — a more lenient attitude towards him, even on the part of regulatory bodies. Therefore, there are pluses. laughing
      1. Alone
        Alone 8 May 2018 07: 55
        +2
        Quote: Prometey
        The work of a teacher in our country has become almost a female profession since the establishment of Soviet power - just a statement of fact.

        Well, yes, in RI how many educational institutions were there (I'm not talking about parish)? And during the Soviet era, how many became?
      2. Sma11
        Sma11 8 May 2018 19: 18
        +2
        Quote: Prometey
        Did not have. The work of a teacher in our country has become almost a female profession since the establishment of Soviet power - just a statement of fact. laughing

        Did your grandmother tell you this?
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 8 May 2018 13: 00
      +3
      Quote: K0
      LIFE SAFETY FUNDAMENTALS,
      I’ll honestly say, this abbreviation OBZ infuriates me! One Big Jo? Not, Life Safety Basics. What security? Excrement? belay Is it not to step on them and crush their poor? When I was studying, we had only NVP, and we studied the life safety system on the street, in the yard. They jumped from the sheds, threw the slate into the fire, rode on makeshift rafts, slingshots, "air" from the bicycle pump, I am generally silent. And there was no state of emergency. There were two cases with violation of the traffic rules, one fatal, they crossed the road (in the USSR, when there were many times fewer vehicles on the streets !!!), but this already depended on the teenager himself. I went for school for a year, and ran to my mother in the depot to eat. I had to go through the street. Yu. Smirnova, not central, but the movement was decent for her. And nothing, because they showed how to proceed, I UNDERSTAND. As you can see, I’m alive and chatting on this site.
      1. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 8 May 2018 13: 54
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        and we studied the life safety system on the street, in the courtyard. They jumped from the sheds, threw the slate into the fire, rode on makeshift rafts, slingshots, "air" from the bicycle pump, I am generally silent. And there was no state of emergency. As you can see, I’m alive and chatting on this site.

        and clung to cars, and climbed construction sites, and destroyed houses until they were demolished, and much more. So what? you survived, I survived, thousands survived, but tens do not. went into the field with a tape recorder (which is Soviet with a socket). how to enable it? properly cast wires on power lines. they did it dozens of times, but once the neighbor was unlucky — he didn’t have time to pull his hand back — almost three dozen were already in the ground.
      2. your1970
        your1970 8 May 2018 14: 03
        +1
        sabakina (Vyacheslav)
        levels of development - when children can run without any restrictions - only two: 1) general poverty and 2) universal security.
        The USSR belonged to the first, which is why you (and I) had
        Quote: sabakina
        We studied the life safety system on the street, in the courtyard. They jumped from the sheds, threw the slate into the fire, rode on makeshift rafts, slingshots, "air" from the bicycle pump, I am generally silent.

        The second option is the current Iceland

        All that’s between these poles is children NOT can freely walk without restrictions without
        supervision. The parent works - and you never know ...
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 8 May 2018 06: 18
    +23
    Thanks to the author for the article. Everything about the case. In terms of salary, indeed, many teachers are trying to get out at the expense of a "hobby", overwork at school. But this is a dead end: the quality of work is declining.
    More sadly different. The main requirement of the state for teachers is a beautifully and competently completed journal, plans. So that in spite of all the “life adjustments”, all the “cells” should have a fabulously correct look. And “order-bearing” highly paid specialists come to schools and with a serious look check thousands of “cells”. It is sad that most colleagues believe that this is really the most important thing in their work. This is not being treated ... wassat
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 8 May 2018 07: 32
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      More sadly different. The main requirement of the state for teachers is a beautifully and competently completed journal, plans. So that in spite of all the “life adjustments”, all the “cells” should have a fabulously correct look.

      No, this is not the main requirement - you are far from reality. The educational journal is a teacher’s salary, confirmation of the fulfillment of his load. The order in the work begins with the order in the documents - at any enterprise and the school is no exception.
      1. Volodin
        8 May 2018 07: 42
        +13
        Quote: Prometey
        No, this is not the main requirement - you are far from reality. An educational journal is a teacher's salary. The order in the work begins with the order in the documents - at any enterprise and the school is no exception.

        Oh ... the voice of the verifier is heard))) Exactly the same arguments. The material is about that and speech: a piece of paper for order became more important than the real order in the youth education system itself. Paper - primary, children - secondary. The main thing is the percentage of the exam in the region, so that the report comes out beautiful ...
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 8 May 2018 10: 37
          +1
          Quote: Volodin
          Oh ... the voice of the inspector is heard))) Exactly the same arguments.

          You are mistaken, never worked in supervision. It’s just that I’m judging from the position of a leader - when a teacher cannot even fill out a topic in a journal, doesn’t know how to work with orders for admission — what can I talk about?
          Quote: Volodin
          The paper is primary, the children are secondary.

          Depends on the teacher himself, on his approach to work.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 8 May 2018 11: 43
            +7
            Quote: Prometey
            Just from the position of leader I judge
            It can be seen. Slowly lose touch with reality. This affects many business leaders and department heads.

            There is no practical need for the teacher to fill out and issue 100500 progress reports. Somehow they used to do without it, and the level of education was much higher, and the teacher had more time for the educational process, and not for bureaucracy.
            1. Prometey
              Prometey 8 May 2018 12: 26
              0
              Quote: Greenwood
              There is no practical need for the teacher to fill out and issue 100500 progress reports.

              Name at least a dozen of such reports that have not lost touch with reality, you are ours.
              The main paper load lies on the backswing. If teachers are asked to provide some numbers, he will not break.
            2. your1970
              your1970 8 May 2018 12: 42
              +2
              Quote: Greenwood
              Somehow they used to do without it, and the level of education was much higher, and the teacher had more time for the educational process, and not for bureaucracy.
              -ag, and teachers of a bag with notebooks in the 70s dragged home from the pleasure and lack of scribbling ...
              no, no, no - there was no bureaucracy under the USSR, God forbid ...
    2. bessonov932
      bessonov932 8 May 2018 15: 10
      +2
      About cells - 1000% true!
  4. Basil50
    Basil50 8 May 2018 06: 28
    +16
    Simplification of the learning process, how it is emasculated, we have been seeing for decades. But here's what is strange about education no longer even want to think about.
    Well, what can a woman teach a future man? Seek compromise with offenders or complain?
    Gradually, a * matrix * of girls' behavior is being introduced. What is rare when a man * does not notice * the harassment of a woman or an outright boor? Similar schoolgirls crawled into the lawmakers, the relevant laws.
    It turns out that it is possible to attack me and my loved ones with fists and weapons, but I have no right to defend myself, even children and grandchildren I have no right to defend. I have the right only to run away, look for a * compromise * and, as a last resort, complain to the police.
    1. Anasti
      Anasti 8 May 2018 13: 33
      0
      The time of Igo, Lunites of the I-beginning, matriarchy, In-formatting, Power-slavery, castes ...
    2. Lunt
      Lunt 8 May 2018 17: 41
      0
      In fact, no one has yet canceled the necessary defense. Everyone has the right to protect themselves and others. The main thing is not to exceed the limits of necessary defense.
      1. Stalingradpobeda
        Stalingradpobeda 11 May 2018 14: 22
        0
        How to protect yourself?
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 May 2018 06: 34
    +5
    Frankly, there is not even a desire to discuss today's school education and the professionalism of teachers. Since the 90s, everything is so running that ...
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 8 May 2018 06: 36
    +10
    There were always a minority of male teachers in schools, even in Soviet times. In my school, there were from 4 to 6 in different periods, moreover, there were consistently two athletes and one Trudovik. Toward the close of my studies, a man became the director. But then they had a salary of 200 - 350 rubles. (the latter is from the director, but with us the old teachers got more 250). In any case, this money could support a family. Now try to do it, will it work?
    I have two classmates acting principals, but this is more an exception than a trend.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 8 May 2018 07: 29
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      Now try to do it, will it work?

      The salary of the director of the school - the smallest - 40 thousand - is much more than the salary of the average sales manager. What is the dispute that this money doesn’t survive?
      1. Volodin
        8 May 2018 07: 44
        +12
        Quote: Prometey
        The salary of the school director is the smallest - 40 000 thousands

        And we have every teacher - a school director? ..
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 8 May 2018 10: 42
          0
          Quote: Volodin
          And we have every teacher - a school director? ..

          What is this for? Do you know that a teacher’s salary with bonuses may be even higher than that of a director? (I at least judge by my institution). That the director is not entitled to bonuses without the order of the founder, and teachers receive bonuses regularly?
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 8 May 2018 07: 52
        +12
        Quote: Prometey
        What is the dispute that this money doesn’t survive?
        In the village, if there is a subsidiary farm, it’s possible.
        And teachers were not interested in salaries by chance? I can tell you. We have - in the area 18 sp. in a regular school. Just enchanting for such a job. The wife is the head teacher of the IWR, works on 12 hours a day, while on Saturday she is also on duty periodically. Plus checks from all kinds of supervisory authorities, plus housekeepers, plus everything else - and all this for 25 tyr. including surcharges. To hell with a walk.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 8 May 2018 10: 52
          0
          Quote: inkass_98
          And teachers were not interested in salaries by chance?

          I already know.
          Quote: inkass_98
          We have - in the region of 18 tyr. in a regular school. Just enchanting for such a job.

          Well, tell me what the teacher’s salary consists of. Then you can continue the dialogue.
          Quote: inkass_98
          The wife of the head teacher of the OVR, works 12 hours a day, while on Saturday she is also on duty periodically.

          You probably wanted to say OIA? Why does it work 12 hours a day? Does she have an internal combination? I worked as a deputy and acted as a leader. I will not hide, sometimes I was late at work - but this was an exception than practice and because I was the only deputy. Maybe you need to properly distribute working time and responsibilities - not to share petty work, but shift it to others?
          Quote: inkass_98
          Plus checks from all kinds of supervisory authorities,

          They are not every day and not every month. The longest checks are carried out by the switchgear and the control and audit chamber, but there is more load on the head. All major departments - the Ministry of Emergency Situations, surveillance, Rospotrebnadzor fit in 1-2 days.
          Quote: inkass_98
          plus homework

          That is, nevertheless, internal combination?
          Quote: inkass_98
          25 sp. including surcharges.

          On average, yes - the average salary for deputy.
          1. inkass_98
            inkass_98 8 May 2018 12: 54
            +6
            All the main departments - the Ministry of Emergencies, surveillance, Rospotrebnadzor fit into 1-2 of the day.

            You are a funny guy, however. And the prosecutor’s office, by chance, didn’t come?
            And during the holidays, no one was lying around? And on New Year's holidays did not offer to go on duty without payment? Then you worked in some ideal school. And for everything else, I don’t need to load me, thank God - for a quarter of a century my wife has been working at school. I say that there is, so the practice has developed in our region. About petty work - generally a circus. Nobody wants to take anything extra on themselves, even they have to knock out the right thing. I’m silent about the contingent of employees, it’s just that the victims of the exam have pulled up to teach - neither to sing, nor to draw. And for such a salary, none of the sensible people will go to school.
            About the awards - I almost collapsed from the chair for joy. I explain to aliens: the department of education reports above that it has increased the salaries of teachers, while any surcharges are immediately removed and premiums are cut. According to the law - no violations, the salary part has grown. Total income remains the same, if not less.
            In short, I don’t need to tell fairy tales; I’ve been an adult for a long time. I see what is really happening.
            1. Prometey
              Prometey 8 May 2018 13: 39
              0
              Quote: inkass_98
              Funny you guy however

              Yes, no - you are not serious.
              Quote: inkass_98
              And the prosecutor’s office, by chance, didn’t come?

              And she came, looked at the papers that were needed and left. What did you want to say?
              Quote: inkass_98
              And during the holidays, no one was lying around?

              Who should show up on holidays?
              Quote: inkass_98
              And on New Year's holidays did not offer to go on duty without payment?

              No, they didn’t. For what? What for?
              Quote: inkass_98
              I’m silent about the contingent of employees, it’s just that the victims of the exam have pulled up to teach - not to sing or draw. And for such a salary, none of the sensible people will go to school.

              Oh really? What salary? Since May, graduates of universities have begun to call me, they ask for vacancies. In rural areas there is a problem; it has always been there.
              Quote: inkass_98
              I explain to aliens: the department of education reports above that it has increased the salaries of teachers, while any surcharges are immediately removed and premiums are cut.

              For aliens, explain, I do not need. An increase in salary does not mean an automatic increase in salaries; the only exception is the minimum wage. Salary affects incentive payments. If the wage fund was given for a year, and salaries were increased in the middle of the year, then why would it suddenly increase? Probably everything goes through the municipal and regional budget.
              Quote: inkass_98
              I see what is really happening.

              What's happening? Do you want teachers to receive 50 thousand each, while reducing wages not in the public sector? This is basically not possible. Everything is relatively in the same position now.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 14: 08
              +1
              Quote: inkass_98
              And the prosecutor’s office, by chance, didn’t come

              School accounting is often pulled by the way.
            3. Sma11
              Sma11 8 May 2018 19: 31
              0
              Quote: inkass_98
              And during the holidays, no one was lying around? And on New Year's holidays did not offer to go on duty without payment? Then you worked in some ideal school.

              So you just do not understand. Prometey had to do with school when he was in school. Now he is the deputy head (deputy bureaucrat). And the fact that he puts a piece of paper at the head. Tradition ass cover up.
      3. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 8 May 2018 09: 45
        +2
        Give me a fork to take your noodles off your ears .... did you work at least a day at school?
      4. Greenwood
        Greenwood 8 May 2018 11: 45
        +5
        Quote: Prometey
        directors of the school - the smallest - 40 thousand
        For example, for the Far East, this cannot be called a large salary with our prices. And then, even if the director gets 40k, how much is a simple teacher? 20-25? Like some student in a mobile phone salon? Is this normal in your opinion?
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 8 May 2018 12: 31
          +1
          Quote: Greenwood
          For example, for the Far East, this cannot be called a large salary with our prices.

          I judge in my region, although I do not think that our prices are much lower than yours.
          Quote: Greenwood
          how simple teacher? 20-25?

          Beginner is quite possible. Again, it depends on the leader and his adequacy.
          Quote: Greenwood
          Like some student in a mobile phone salon?

          Well, your students earn. It doesn’t matter, however, that for 12 hours of work a day, even 2 after two, it’s not 18 hours a week against teachers.
  7. Nix1986
    Nix1986 8 May 2018 07: 20
    +14
    A man should provide for his family, and as one representative of the government said, “if you want a decent salary, go into business”, so that’s all natural. Next in line are men doctors.
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 May 2018 09: 05
      +2
      Next in line are doctors

      Under certain conditions and specialties, the doctor is a very highly paid profession. An example is a private dentist.
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 8 May 2018 09: 23
        +3
        With all due respect, the dentist is now a craftsman, just like the surgeon is a robot operator, there are such surgeons who perform only one type of operation on one robot and all get a good RFP, but the question is more about a doctor or an operator of an CNC machine only for a person ?! I have a medical education, maybe I'm wrong, but I did not consider a dentist at the current level of training as a full-fledged doctor.
    2. Lunt
      Lunt 8 May 2018 17: 34
      0
      Then why do some state employees have very good salaries? Everyone should then pay well who works for the state.
  8. andrewkor
    andrewkor 8 May 2018 07: 41
    +12
    I remember the great teachers of men in mathematics, literature, astronomy. The writer read to us excerpts from War and Peace in French, there are several pages there, and we, the English and Germans, listened to a beautiful, unfamiliar language, gaping mouth! The mathematician was without legs on the prosthesis, still young, we respected and felt sorry for him! Astronomy was taught by the school principal, his ears moved during the speech, it was funny, but kindly. There was also a mathematician intern from Peda, and he gave us additional lectures about impressionists and showed us albums !!!! Most of all they were afraid of the head teacher of a Russian woman, and they were in love with a class teacher! Oh, where are my 16 years old !!! ???
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 8 May 2018 07: 42
    +15
    Hmm, I taught history at school .... I held out for 2 years ... at the end of the year at my parents meeting I heard from my parents that I was a monster, I tortured children "with my story", nobody needs it ... my tasks take a lot of children there’s no time for the rest of the lessons .. and the children already know the story ... I wrote a statement on my own ... It was a long time ago, about 16 years ago ... The USE wasn’t yet ... were going to introduce ...
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 8 May 2018 07: 50
      +9
      Dear parusnik, I sympathize with you very much! I try to inculcate interest in History in my grandson, explain that in modern “interpretations” I’ve distorted, do not agree, skipped, remain silent. Especially in my region!
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 8 May 2018 07: 58
        +9
        Moreover, the teaching experience was ... taught in technical schools ... 5 years ... but they didn’t have one. commercial .. I went to school .. to lower my salary .. I thought I would sow the good, the bright and the eternal .. It turned out to be almost the same thing .. about and in the commercial .. therefore it is necessary to deliver excellent because. that dad is a "sponsor" .. and all that ... School, now does not fulfill its function, though this is my opinion 16 years ago .. maybe now it’s better ..
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 8 May 2018 07: 54
      +4
      That’s why I didn’t work a day as a teacher, there was enough practice. True, pedagogy was a byproduct, the university after all.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 8 May 2018 11: 40
      +1
      ALEXEI !!!!!! 16 years ago ..... Yes, probably it was the time of repentance and nurturing, well, before that by itself too. Now, maybe a change? And yes, which school? Where? Although the area, of course, the number is useless.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 8 May 2018 12: 58
        +6
        In our town, Temryuk, she was considered the best "elite" in the city .. I taught in the gymnasium, the so-called classes ... Elite was probably considered because a lot of children from wealthy families studied ... And for the poor, another school, in which I once studied in Soviet times, there is a ped. the composition is weaker ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 8 May 2018 13: 12
          +6
          Thank you, Alex, I thought the answer would be somewhat different. I thought it was the city of St. Petersburg ...... Everything is very different with me. I was lucky at the end of the century with school, teachers somehow correctly avoided sharp corners. But there were many tasks, all kinds of home essays. Including ---- mythology, optional. And other acquaintances had some kind of frenzied anti-Sovietism. Obscurantism. And others ---- teachers tried in Soviet style, parents complained why I asked --- everything is different.
    4. andrew42
      andrew42 8 May 2018 13: 37
      +5
      The historian at school is the most important specialization, I think. I still remember how a peasant historian came to our school in the 80s for 2 years. It was joyful. Heaven and earth, in comparison with the past, no, with the historians.
  10. Alone
    Alone 8 May 2018 07: 48
    +13
    I don’t know if sexism is the case, or in the regulatory authorities ... My younger one goes to elementary school. The school is up to grade 4 inclusive. So, recently it was reported that most teachers have been deprived of the school since the new school year. When asked why, the teacher replied, “I’m embarrassed to tell you my salary, but I have nowhere to go. Others probably have the opportunity to leave.” And how should a man who needs to feed his family work with such a salary? If anything, a school in the Sverdlovsk Region, a satellite city of Yekaterinburg .
    But nothing, now with the "new" prime minister, the situation will "improve" even more.
    1. Lunt
      Lunt 8 May 2018 17: 30
      +2
      The ministers of the government of the Russian Federation, too, are apparently embarrassed by the size of their salaries.
  11. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 8 May 2018 08: 06
    +4
    In Soviet times, I changed many schools, so male teachers are only Trudoviks, physical education and non-military students. There were physicists a couple of times, but nothing more. So I don’t understand what’s so terrible? No matter how stereotyped it sounds, but the Trudoviks were often drunks, I don’t know why this happened. One teacher in NVP was also an alcoholic, drank air rifles from a shooting gallery, they still didn’t fire ...
  12. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 May 2018 08: 31
    +11
    Son is a teacher of chemistry. Since graduation, the only one who works by profession.
    The problem of finance (wages) is important. Do not forget the problem when a man hates to be subordinate to a woman (school principal). You look at your friends and neighbors, ask them about it.
    My personal opinion is that co-education at a school should be up to a certain age (class). At an older age, schoolchildren should study separately. There will be no cases where humiliation occurs by gender and physically stronger boys are ridiculed by a successful weaker sex. Among other things, the school should come for knowledge, and not to figure out attachments and discuss addictions. It's my personal opinion.
    I do not exclude teaching for boys the basics of cooking, which can come in handy in life. And for girls, elementary skills with the tool.
    Physical education also involves training in different ways. And if floor exercises are recommended for children, then such lessons should be excluded. First of all, children should be taught to swim and run fast.
    1. TOR2
      TOR2 8 May 2018 21: 04
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      My personal opinion is that co-education at a school should be up to a certain age (class). At an older age, schoolchildren should study separately.

      If the administration manages to maintain the level of discipline at the appropriate level, then the boys in the monostructure, as a rule, learn not very badly. An experiment was conducted a couple of years ago. An optional was organized for high school boys. The visit is voluntary. Teachers are only men from universities and research institutes. The children came and engaged, and then enthusiastically told their parents how the solution of problems and examples alternated with interesting stories from life about the application of knowledge in practice.
    2. Klaus
      Klaus 8 May 2018 23: 33
      +2
      Truly so! And so it was before the revolution. And the quality of knowledge and skills in the subject, the gymnasium student of that time, and the student of our time, are simply not comparable. To some extent, this is a retribution for mass and unification in the transition to universal education and co-education in Soviet times, but then the situation leveled off. And now, I absolutely agree that the idea has ripened of separate education for boys and girls after primary school.
      Undoubtedly, in primary school, women must undoubtedly and undividedly dominate, and as one moves to high school, the primacy of men must increase.
      But such a model in our country will not be built for the commonplace reason: lack of funds. After all, in this case it will be necessary to increase all funds and expenses at least 2 times.
  13. BAI
    BAI 8 May 2018 09: 01
    +10
    The wife has the highest category. He says he will not be re-certified. Hemorrhoids - nemereno, use (increase in salary) - zero, it is easier and more efficient to take extra hours. Now, the highest category, more than twenty years of experience - 23000. What prestige are we talking about? Which man will go to such a salary?
    1. Lunt
      Lunt 8 May 2018 17: 27
      0
      Unless earn extra money in the evenings. Or the one who has already earned himself in another area.
  14. andrew42
    andrew42 8 May 2018 09: 15
    +6
    The absence of male teachers is a nightmare. I believe that, ideally, male teachers at school should be 60% as a norm and 50% as a minimum. All this is a consequence of the attitude of the state (or rather mu..kov or enemies in the higher echelons) to education, as to some kind of optional process that can be financed according to the residual principle. Demagogy and declarations - a lot, the real state of affairs in the Ministry of Education - is still alive rather than dead. As a result, the Parenting function is 100% removed from schools. It is understandable, not every teacher is capable of real upbringing (within the school) of future men, of whom there are 15 people in the class (on average). I believe that “female” education in schools since the 60s is one of the reasons that we have lost our country — the USSR. Hence, to a large extent, the drunken male population by 1985-89. A crushed son-in-law is a potential alcoholic. "This is ABC, Comrade Major."
    1. your1970
      your1970 8 May 2018 12: 53
      0
      Quote: andrew42
      All this is a consequence of the attitude of the state (or rather mu..kov or enemies in the higher echelons) to education
      they are apparently with 50-x years in schools settled ???
      and you yourself continue to answer:
      Quote: andrew42
      I believe that “female” education in schools since the 60s is one of the reasons that we have lost our country — the USSR. Hence, to a large extent, the drunken male population by 1985-89.
      even the Soviet Union was not able to provide the ratio you required, despite the obligation of distribution work ....
      What are the options? S / n to raise up to 100 thousand? So after all, not the best will come, but the most thieves / relatives
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 8 May 2018 13: 30
        +7
        You also answered yourself, almost. "even the USSR." The USSR could, but this was not done, since the end of the 50s, they have stupidly "beaten" this question. I’ll give a simple example to lower the status of the Teacher. There is such a well-known movie, "Officers" called. There, in the late 20s, when asked about what you’ll do after the victory, Trofimov Sr. proudly replies “I’ll go to teach.” This indicates the current status of the profession in the state, and respect in society. And now you can look at this question after the “turning point” of the trend, against the background of post-war fatherlessness, and the “debunking of the personality cult:“ Teacher, ”as the teachers used to call themselves in the 70s. By the way, really, only the socialist model can correct this issue ( with the elements of capitalism or not, this is another question), since only a socialist society is planning the development of a “man of the future.” The bourgeois (and before them the feudal lords) do not need this. And the present world’s connection of the neocons with the liberals, the worse, the better for them. But on the whole, this issue certainly has no direct relationship with the political system and the socio-economic formation, except in terms of the need for its resolution and the availability of opportunities. We have a paradox: the communal system was progressive in this regard (bourgeois historians and the Marxists who have grown up from them called him “primitive communal”, this is hawai.) Teacher is profession No. 1. Warrior is profession No. 2. Not a supporter of Hinduism, but In this case, the Vedas to help: where is the brahmana, and where is the ksatriya.
        1. your1970
          your1970 8 May 2018 13: 56
          0
          you did not answer the question, what to do?
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 8 May 2018 14: 35
            +2
            WHAT to do - it was just written about that. The more relevant question is HOW to do. I propose to start small - to tax the purchase of players in sports strawberries / money laundering with a 50% tax, and the target tranche to the teachers' payroll fund (not to be confused with officials of the Ministry of Education).
          2. andrew42
            andrew42 8 May 2018 14: 36
            +1
            Do you want me to roll the “500 days” on my knee now?
            1. your1970
              your1970 10 May 2018 09: 13
              0
              Quote: andrew42
              Do you want me to roll the “500 days” on my knee now?
              -And to say - how bad everything is, everyone knows how to drive good, smart teachers, and even men to school — you never answered ..
              Your "50% purchase of players in sports strawberries" will lead to a simple banal thing - they will come to school thieves relatives, which will be violet for children - the main thing is to pay in time for the salary
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 14: 13
      +3
      Quote: andrew42
      I believe that, ideally, male teachers at school should be 60% as a norm and 50% as a minimum.

      Better separate training. At 13-15 years old, hormones boil in young animals, and then classmates. I remember we had one in the classroom, so when she went to the board, the male part of the classroom the covers on the desks rose. laughing What physics can be at this moment? repeat
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 8 May 2018 14: 39
        +4
        As an option. But not a ride in the current socio-economic realities. Schools in villages are cutting, even in its current form.
    3. Victor19
      Victor19 8 May 2018 14: 20
      0
      What do you mean by real education? Harassment at school is not allowed now. You will punish children physically - you will go to court. Verbal education is a problematic thing. I see, at the moment, “upbringing” is that a teacher, if she is “experienced”, can humiliate and insult children. Women, in my experience, are more prone to this kind of verbal, intelligent humiliation of a child, which many do. And often a woman is more listened to than a man.
  15. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 8 May 2018 09: 47
    +2
    While the salary in schools will be of such a level, the peasant will not be attracted there ... I won’t take Moscow or St. Petersburg ... namely, the outback, there is no chance
  16. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 8 May 2018 10: 17
    +6
    Boys, and especially from single-parent families, must necessarily attend additional military, sports, patriotic lessons under the guidance of men. Perhaps it will be some kind of centers of patriotic education.
    1. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 8 May 2018 11: 46
      +4
      And where to get the money? Forget about the welfare state, and in the days of capitalism, working for free only at gunpoint "Investor" will first of all think about the return on the invested ruble, and then the return? Moral not to offer!
      1. Lunt
        Lunt 8 May 2018 17: 21
        0
        One submarine costs several billion dollars. One less build in 10 years, that's the money.
    2. Bad_santa
      Bad_santa 8 May 2018 16: 14
      +2
      I don’t know about you, but I had a subject of NVP and military field training 2 weeks in the summer after 10th grade. Previously, there were even shootings from the AK-74, but some woman from RONO came from inspections and wanted to shoot her. Turned out the entire store line and most of it in the air. Fear forbade firing and replaced them with air
  17. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 8 May 2018 11: 28
    +2
    In rural schools, male teachers happen ... until they hit 27 :)
  18. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 8 May 2018 11: 44
    +5
    Immediately you feel the care of officials about male teachers. What does free time for teachers mean, especially men !? He’ll get drunk right away! And so, while you draw up a report, while you write your work plans, you don’t have any time or desire!
  19. Victor19
    Victor19 8 May 2018 12: 39
    +2
    Well, here's an example. The teacher worked at the school for two years. At the end of the quarter and school year, the daughter of the head teacher and the head teacher did not like the fact that daughter 4, not five. The principal asked the teacher to quit in a good way, because she needs good grades.
  20. toha124
    toha124 8 May 2018 12: 43
    +6
    Is it a matter of money? The attitude of society. This is also very important. There, in municipal medicine with salaries, it’s not a fire either. But the men are there. There are much fewer women there, but not close to zero, as in school. Society normally treats a male doctor, although he does not bring good money to the family. And who did the ped - what do people think about him? Something is wrong with him. Parents will understand the choice. And the rest? And the guy knows about this attitude.
  21. Anasti
    Anasti 8 May 2018 13: 24
    0
    Everything needs to be changed if the goal is to set the real development of people, and not the cultivation of specialized slaves. Boarding schools to protect against parental cockroaches and unite the future population of the country. Example, school-lyceum of Mikhail Shchetinin. But ideally, there should be Teachers who have achieved clarity for resonant transmission. The abolition of age differences and the immersion-retreat method, the dissemination of techniques by knowledge carriers, rather than formal book repetition, only this can become the basis for changes in the country.
    1. Victor19
      Victor19 8 May 2018 14: 24
      +1
      Ek brought you to a retreat. You are probably the bearer of that same sacred knowledge.
  22. Lyutoyar R.
    Lyutoyar R. 8 May 2018 13: 52
    +5
    To equate teachers with civil servants with all the attendant benefits, raise their salaries several times, and give military certificates for housing. Five years later, the competition in pedals will be such that the military did not even dream of.
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 May 2018 09: 15
      0
      Quote: Lyutoyar R.
      Teachers equated to civil servants with all the attendant benefits
      -they then LESS will receive
      Quote: Lyutoyar R.
      raise several times the salary,
      - once they are equated to us by civil servants - which means that we can raise the salary ??? I FOR ...
      Quote: Lyutoyar R.
      give military certificates of housing.
      -And they are given and do everything on time? Well, well ..
  23. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 8 May 2018 14: 00
    +5
    The situation is even worse. teachers in the country just get a penny (with the exception of capitals) and men don’t go to school for this very reason. Here it should also be noted that the teacher will never earn an apartment NEVER, in general, never and no preferential mortgage will help him. the familiar school principal, having given the school his whole life, spent the night in it for many years and found his home only before retirement after the death of a relative. Everything is just awful. A teacher, especially if it is not Moscow, can only be a woman, and then on condition that her husband earns well, but here if they do not torture me with papers.
  24. naidas
    naidas 8 May 2018 14: 22
    0
    Well, the task is not to educate people: release from work, from responsibility through juvenile justice and the needs of society.
  25. iouris
    iouris 8 May 2018 14: 43
    0
    Does education still exist?
  26. Vladycat
    Vladycat 8 May 2018 15: 01
    +1
    Quote: Prometey
    Quote: max702
    Make a teacher’s salary starting at 100 rubles, and you won’t get crowded by men at school ..

    Why trifle, let's 500 thousand at once. Is this the hardest profession?

    Very heavy. This is the bookmark of our future. Much depends on it.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 8 May 2018 15: 26
      +3
      This is practically the most responsible profession. hi
  27. PANTELEIMON
    PANTELEIMON 8 May 2018 15: 36
    +1
    It is you who ask the Bolshevik-Stalinists or Zyuganovites that the work of a teacher is equal to the work of a plumber and should be paid equally. For the Bolsheviks, such equality is above all! So get what you have been seeking for more than 70 years!
    1. Klaus
      Klaus 8 May 2018 23: 47
      +1
      When the Bolsheviks, the teacher when he came to the village, he immediately (!) Was given free housing (a little later - a social apartment or a house with a lifetime right of very preferential rent, even after retirement and to death. In another case, the collective farm or timber industry farm could allocate free timber for building a house.All this time, ready-made firewood / coal, 50% of the tariffs for electricity and water, which in rural areas were almost 2 times lower than urban ones, were provided free of charge. yes: unlike plumbing, the rural teacher received 25% of the surcharge from the salary (the so-called rural).
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 23: 53
        +1
        Quote: Klaus
        Under the Bolsheviks, when a teacher came to the village ... unlike a plumber, a rural teacher ...

        Amused plumber in the village. Under the Bolsheviks good
        1. Klaus
          Klaus 9 May 2018 00: 01
          0
          Not so put it. This was an urban plumber. Well ... and it was more correct to say under the Soviet regime.
        2. your1970
          your1970 10 May 2018 09: 19
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Klaus
          Under the Bolsheviks, when a teacher came to the village ... unlike a plumber, a rural teacher ...

          Amused plumber in the village. Under the Bolsheviks good
          - even more fun about the house - NOW if you come to the village as a teacher, they will also give you a house and firewood and hay for a cow and discounts on a communal apartment ..
          Only here for some reason teachers don’t go to the village ...
          Apparently, there is also a reason in plumbing ...
  28. Vladycat
    Vladycat 8 May 2018 15: 52
    +3
    The little thing bit it. I just wanted to write it myself, and I’ll write it, just went on vacation. In general, everything is much more neglected. Yes, I myself did not work as a teacher, but recently I studied at a pedagogical institute as a teacher-psychologist. More of course for my children, because I am serving in the prison sphere (and there the teacher’s skills come in handy). In general, the course talked with current teachers, everything is very sad. Education turned into a service, with all that it implies. Yes, there is a reason for separate education, men in this area are very necessary. And not only in education, but also in life. The primary realm of perception and cognition in a child is childbirth. Whatever everyone tries to push to school, but the child builds his life on relationships within the family, (or Perekor, but that's another conversation)
  29. Lunt
    Lunt 8 May 2018 17: 10
    +1
    I always liked studying foreign languages ​​and I feel that my calling is to be a teacher, but the amount of reporting (operational environment) prevents me from entering the profession.
    1. Gato
      Gato 8 May 2018 19: 51
      +1
      my calling to be a teacher

      I think this is some kind of special talent, well, or a disposition of character. Even a top specialist cannot train if he does not have such abilities.
  30. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 8 May 2018 17: 34
    0
    My girlfriend has been working in the Yaroslavl school for almost two years now, her salary is 27-29.
    1. Gato
      Gato 8 May 2018 23: 35
      0
      [quoteMy girl has been working in the Yaroslavl school for almost two years, the salary is 27-29] [/ quote]
      uh .. can I ask who provides whom? This is not an insult, just a question.
  31. Gato
    Gato 8 May 2018 19: 47
    0
    Back in 1984, there were only 2 and a half men in our school: military instructor, physical education instructor and geographer. Half refers to the geographer - such a puny, always drunk. But the military instructor was a man! Former pilot, bomber on IL-28. Actually, he persuaded me to enter a military school. That is, it worked well.
  32. Gato
    Gato 8 May 2018 19: 59
    0
    I'd like to quote: "the one who does not know how to teach" teaches. But this is not true. You can only teach someone who wants to study, the rest is useless
  33. Antares
    Antares 9 May 2018 11: 28
    0
    Men, by virtue of their gender, can no longer do such work (it is mainly for women)
    This is a gender issue and remuneration.
    From time immemorial, women have supplanted men from those jobs where they are best suited.
    So for centuries, women have been raising women. We all have a "female" education. The only place where I saw the predominance of men is the university.
    Men will not go to work on such work with such wages.
    But women do not go to movers pickers en masse.
    And about the "male education" is very necessary. Otherwise, our youth is very slipping (women at the time of education instill in them their own behavior)
    and male images are absent. No wonder in antiquity they took them away at an early age and gave them to all kinds of gymnasiums ..
  34. AGV Pagan
    AGV Pagan 9 May 2018 19: 14
    +2
    I work at school, 20 years of teaching. Recently, the president raised his minimum wage to a living wage. Now our cleaners get as much as the teachers. So I think, relearn too. Rag wave is not to bring up children.
  35. lopvlad
    lopvlad 10 May 2018 01: 56
    +3
    Male teachers as an endangered species


    according to the law, the second lawlessness after a child in the womb is a man. And you say about the absence of men at school, not only do children of complete bastards who consider teachers to be their servants, they also hang up pedophilia. It’s unnecessary to prove anything for the prosecution, just the words of the parents or student (especially the student) are enough.
    So work for a penny to get on your nerves and risk getting a term for a peasant to do in school nefig.
  36. Prisoner
    Prisoner 10 May 2018 20: 01
    +2
    Apparently our president has not been in schools for a long time. I had a friend lieutenant. Persistent, strong-willed, profession devoted. Vobschem flint! In 2106 he went into the reserve with the rank of lieutenant colonel. lol And he managed to get a school to teach something there on life safety. Fortunately, the school is in front of the house, while a pensioner has a wagon. He lasted 2 months. Ran away. He did not run away from the armed forces under Yeltsin, but deserted from school. Frightened that "kills these scum." winked
  37. vladmort
    vladmort 11 May 2018 00: 31
    0
    To solve this problem, and this is an extremely serious problem, a number of legislative initiatives are needed, namely:

    1. Act on Separate Education by Gender.

    2. The law prohibiting the work of a teacher in an educational institution for people of the opposite sex.

    3. The law on preferred (increased salaries, bonuses, civil class rank, etc.) employment as a teacher of reserve officers (by the way, most military schools provide civilian qualifications, teacher).

    Only in this case we will have a normal, not feminized education and men will be brought up, not hipsters, creaks, wipers and other gays.
    1. Stalingradpobeda
      Stalingradpobeda 11 May 2018 14: 04
      0
      From the "kids" men are better off staying away. Let their women bring up.
  38. Aleksey24
    Aleksey24 12 May 2018 18: 16
    0
    Quote: Pax tecum
    Vard:
    Another problem ... One of my friends was forced to leave proffesion after a conflict with the student’s parents ... A boy of ten years was a complete bastard .. Accused of pedophilia ... Understood .. But so many nerves were spent that now works differently specialty...

    Article 128.1. Slander
    1. Slander, i.e. dissemination of knowingly false information discrediting the honor and dignity of another person or undermining his reputation-
    shall be punished by a fine in the amount of up to five hundred thousand rubles ...
    PS Plus moral damage.
    And, impunity is the basis of permissiveness.
    Yes, and this school needs an example for the future, it will discipline.

    The article was invented to protect thieves and bribe takers, and not to protect honest people.
  39. Mikhail Anokhin_2
    Mikhail Anokhin_2 14 May 2018 07: 44
    0
    My life was such that after the army I married a graduate of a pedagogical university. Her distribution was sent to one of the schools. NU and I was attached there as a teacher of physical education and labor. There was such a thing in Soviet schools.
    For four years, we have fully worked in four schools.
    So what I will say is that there are no more trash, more scum collectives than school collectives.
    It is better to work as a loader in a store or in a meat-packing plant than as a teacher at school.