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Upgraded BMP-1 "does not reach" to the Chinese ZBD-86A

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Improved Russian BMP-1, on which instead of a tower with an 73-mm cannon, it is planned to install a combat module from the BTR-82А, according to some estimates, will be inferior to the Chinese BMP ZBD-86A, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


Upgraded BMP-1 "does not reach" to the Chinese ZBD-86A


“A certain comic situation is due to the fact that the Chinese had previously pirated the Soviet infantry fighting vehicle, having received it from Egypt in the 70s. After releasing several thousand of these vehicles and disappointed with their weapons, they have for a long time been mounting a single-seat combat module with an 30-mm cannon, like the Russian 2-72 and a twin machine gun of the 7,62 caliber. There is a modern high-precision combined sight, ”explains the author of the article, Dmitry Lemeshko.



The main difference from the Russian version is the presence of a controlled anti-tank complex HJ-73D, which is analogous to the Russian “Baby-2”. This anti-tank system has a semi-automatic command guidance system and a tandem warhead that allows you to fight with armored vehicles equipped with dynamic protection.



HJ-73D has long been considered modern, but its potential has not yet been exhausted. This showed the use of the complex in the Syrian conflict.

As is known, the Russian BTR-82A is currently not equipped with guided missiles. “Whether the modernized Russian BMP-1 ATGM will receive is not yet known either, but without such weapons it will be significantly inferior to its counterparts, ”the author concludes.
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  1. Doliva63
    Doliva63 7 May 2018 16: 34
    +9
    Well, ATGM would probably not hurt. Incomprehensible "savings".
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 7 May 2018 16: 39
      +34
      yes boh with her. with bmpa, the main president and prime minister are the same .. C- stability! fellow the same noodles are familiar! yes
      1. Evgeny Strygin
        Evgeny Strygin 7 May 2018 17: 06
        +5
        the most unpleasant thing is that the president and the prime minister are called. The system is like that, and the names are for the gullible.
        1. yehat
          yehat 8 May 2018 19: 06
          0
          such systems were created many times in history and most ended in an explosion, as happens with a double boiler - pressure just builds up and then a power scenario begins with the chances of escalating into a permanent civil war, as in Colombia.
      2. Hammerlock
        Hammerlock 8 May 2018 02: 52
        +4
        Well, how in VO (when discussing Chinese technology) do not throw your shovel d ... on the fan
      3. Swag
        Swag 8 May 2018 11: 46
        +3
        starving?
    2. Pirogov
      Pirogov 7 May 2018 16: 44
      +5
      Quote: Doliva63
      Well, ATGM would probably not hurt. Incomprehensible "savings".

      I agree would not hurt. But judging by all, the few are assigned the role of ... freight trains.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 7 May 2018 16: 47
        +5
        So it is already 50% ... carriage, like any BMP laughing drinks
    3. san4es
      san4es 7 May 2018 16: 46
      +10
      Quote: Doliva63
      Yeah, ATGM would probably not hurt ...

      hi
      Upgrade option, with a complex of weapons TKB-799 "Cleaver". The composition of the combat module includes a 30 mm 2A72 automatic gun, a 7,62 mm PKTM machine gun coaxial with it, as well as 4 Kornet ATGMs. Sights - thermal imager and laser guidance device 1K13-2

      Dec 2014 year
      1. Scipio African
        Scipio African 7 May 2018 21: 42
        +8
        It’s good to see that my native car will be converted, my VUS mechanized water vehicle BMP-1 will finally be removed 73 mm 2A28 Thunder, and instead of the glorious ATGM 9M14M Malyutka, they will put the Kornet ATGM, they re-equipped with my regiment at 80 and came with BMP-2 ATGM “Fagot”, I remember the joy of our operators after getting acquainted with the launcher (the shell itself was not shown, it was a signature stamp on it), everyone was struck by the simplicity of aiming at the target, if anyone remembers the hundred pots left the operators on training simulators "Baby", well, bon voyage, the car is good, it will serve the Fatherland for more than a dozen years
    4. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 7 May 2018 16: 46
      +4
      Valentine, welcome! hi I don’t quite understand the comparison with the Chinese copy, but if the anti-tank missile systems are not taken care of, then this “modernization” is not clear. what
      1. san4es
        san4es 7 May 2018 17: 03
        +2
        hi ... If we upgrade, then immediately into the robot (like BMP-3) ... Then the Chinese are out bully

        Robotic complex "Whirlwind"
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 7 May 2018 17: 19
        +4
        Salute, Pasha! hi BMP, like a battlefield machine, without ATGM - of course, nothing. But here the colleague above suggests that there is an option with Cornet.
        Or maybe, without ATGM - for the National Guard? laughing drinks
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 08: 12
          +1
          Quote: Doliva63
          without ATGM-for the National Guard?

          And if we recall the shelling of the White House (not a mattress, but a pity)? wink
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 8 May 2018 17: 38
            +4
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Quote: Doliva63
            without ATGM-for the National Guard?

            And if we recall the shelling of the White House (not a mattress, but a pity)? wink

            A rare case when it is disgusting to remember.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 17: 55
              0
              Quote: Doliva63
              A rare case when it is disgusting to remember.

              I had no doubt that you would understand me correctly. soldier drinks Happy holiday buddy !!! Happy OUR VICTORY !!! good soldier
    5. svp67
      svp67 7 May 2018 16: 53
      +3
      Quote: Doliva63
      Incomprehensible "savings".

      Well, "not their own sons, they will go to battle in these semi-finished products."
      Not one of the proposed combat modules, not "Murom", not "petrels" of anti-tank systems does not imply ...
      1. WUA 518
        WUA 518 7 May 2018 16: 57
        +3
        Serezha, tell me how you tanker. In case of non-defeat of the tank, how much life will remain BMP?
        1. svp67
          svp67 7 May 2018 17: 13
          +4
          Quote: WUA 518
          In case of non-defeat of the tank, how much life will remain BMP?

          With a 30-mm gun, the BMP became very "toothy." There you don’t even need an ATGM, just a couple of accurate bursts from a cannon, so that the tank wouldn’t seem to be enough. Of course, it won’t pierce it in the forehead, but it can, and of course, carry and take away all surveillance and aiming devices.
          Therefore, the BMP must be "extinguished" immediately, and one hit with any shell of a tank is enough to calm her and her crew FOR AGE.
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 7 May 2018 17: 26
          +6
          Quote: WUA 518
          Serezha, tell me how you tanker. In case of non-defeat of the tank, how much life will remain BMP?

          I'll brazenly get in.
          In theory (and in mind), an anti-tank infantry fighting vehicle is a defense. And there, besides BMP, there are a lot of things against the tank. So let's wait! drinks
        3. yehat
          yehat 8 May 2018 19: 09
          0
          it depends on the position and training of the tank crew.
          in a rugged terrain there are not small chances to have time to fall down after launching a rocket.
    6. alexmach
      alexmach 7 May 2018 23: 46
      0
      Hello, can you think a bit more why she needs ATGM?
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 8 May 2018 17: 30
        +6
        Quote: alexmach
        Hello, can you think a bit more why she needs ATGM?

        hi
        ATGM BMP is needed for the defense of a strong point, when BMP and enemy tanks take part in the attack. What is incomprehensible here? Or, for example, if the GPZ meets the same enemy. In general, the BMP is the main maneuverable firepower of the infantry squad.
  2. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 7 May 2018 17: 19
    +2
    Why upgrade it? Give these BMPs to Syria, Serbia, Belarus, or someone else. A tiger with 30 mm on the roof is not nearly worse, and at worst use a BMP-2, there are also a lot of them. If an old man drinks Viagra, he will not become young anyway.
    1. seos
      seos 7 May 2018 17: 40
      +4
      A tiger with 30mm on the roof is getting worse ... armor, patency, payload can take less, etc. ...
      But the Tiger is a poorly armored trough designed for no reason ... for 20 years a whole bunch of these armored vehicles have been developed (tigers, lynxes, watermen, shots, etc.), a bunch of dough has been dumped, but there is no result, you have to shove this garbage into remote military units , that would not callous to the authorities ...
      The BMP is an excellent machine, the replacement of the combat module is the right decision ... though the choice of the module from the BTR is not entirely successful, but most likely the military would like this module otherwise they would have chosen another (from my corner of the sofa, of course, it’s more visible ...)
      By the way, ATGMs on the module are easy to install, it will be necessary to install ..
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 7 May 2018 23: 41
        +2
        But the question is: does she even need ATGM? No, petr is no doubt a good thing, but not for every "kalymagu". What goals is he against her? Is she going to fight tanks? So on a modern tank, one ptur may not be enough. True, modern "light" armored vehicles are also rumored to have gone quite well.

        But I don’t agree about the tower. In my opinion a good choice. Firstly, this tower is already mass-produced; Secondly, it does not need to be seriously redone for it. As I understand it, it coincides with the old tower on the shoulder, well, or at least not more than it. But in order to put the same “bank” there, you’ll have to put up a lot more prank.
        1. yehat
          yehat 8 May 2018 19: 12
          0
          it is necessary to set not that it is not enough to remodel, but that which is necessary for the infantry.
          I personally have big doubts that the tower from the armored personnel carrier is what you need.
          Here it is worth talking with the Chinese - they worked a lot on their BMP.
          1. Bad thing
            Bad thing 8 May 2018 20: 17
            0
            Why didn’t the smart Chinese install a stabilizer on their BMP? On the Suvorov Onslaught, they only work from a place and short stops. The armored personnel carrier does not have ATGM, but in the company on the armored personnel carrier there is the ATV with the Metis, and in the battalion on the armored personnel carrier of the ATV with the Bassoons / Competitions or even the Cornets, here too, supplement the units of the AT with platoons.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 8 May 2018 21: 37
            0
            Well, with this logic, it’s already better to immediately deliver Kurgan or at least deliver BMP-3 and that's all. To put a tower of a larger shoulder strap means cutting the hull, cutting the hull - to worsen its strength characteristics, so you need to somehow strengthen it ...
      2. Grits
        Grits 8 May 2018 10: 38
        0
        We have now developed so many combat modules that the choice is pretty solid. I think that if they can be placed on the BMP-2 and BMP-3, then what prevents it from sticking on the BMP-1?
        1. Bad thing
          Bad thing 8 May 2018 20: 30
          0
          BM from BMP-2 or BMP-3 will not fit in the size of the shoulder strap of the tower, and redoing the shoulder strap, another quest, leads to the alteration of this upper armor plate of the hull with its hatches, observation devices, shortening the airborne compartment and other pleasures of life, it will cost more times 2-3, and in time, too.
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  3. sabakina
    sabakina 7 May 2018 17: 24
    0
    Well, the article! What country are we talking about? Everything, I realized, about Russia. Anyway, some sort of nonsense ..
  4. gippernano
    gippernano 7 May 2018 17: 44
    +1
    “Whether the modernized Russian BMP-1 ATGM will receive

    Upgraded BMP-1 "does not reach" to the Chinese ZBD-86A

    Nothing is known, but worse than Chinese sticky. A very bold conclusion.
    1. seos
      seos 8 May 2018 12: 28
      0
      Chinese hook-ups are all very advanced ... Somehow they published a photo inside the Chinese BMP-1, so everything was made there with LCD screens and cameras .... that is, on the old BMP-1 in the 90s they already had a "glass cabin" installed as on modern BMP ...
      And the advantage of such a Chinese BMP-1 with ATGM "Modernized Baby" at a record low price (at the price of a car)
  5. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 8 May 2018 08: 44
    0
    We have long produced "Berezhok" with the same gun, AGS, and ATGMs. Why fence a garden.
  6. nikoliski
    nikoliski 8 May 2018 19: 14
    -1
    Normal bmp by current realities should have frontal and side armor not less than 100 mm in any way - like the frontal one of the modernized Bradley (the Chinese even have a grenade for grenade launcher piercing 80mm of armor, specially calculated under the T-80 board) so that any Chinese infantryman can burn box "even without RPGs All this scrap in the face of BMP-1 is time to re-melt and make heavy BMPs instead of mass graves ... Our BMPs have 15 mm side armor breaks even from RMBs, I'm not talking about the cumulative NATO grenade for the grenade launcher (there not Chinese 80mm, but still there is a 51 mm breakdown)