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Not exactly what was expected. The troops received simplified versions of the T-80BVM

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In the Victory Parade, which will be held in Murmansk, T-80BVM is involved in its newest version. The photo of cars published on the site of the Ministry of Defense. Reports about it Messenger of Mordovia.




“Many military experts, and even ordinary lovers of the national armored vehicles, were puzzled that the front vehicles turned out to be in a somewhat simplified configuration than the variant“ lit up ”under Luga, on the territory of the 33-nd military ground. A little later, this “Luga” “eightieth” together with T-90M and BMPT “Terminator” took part in the exercises “Zapad-2017”, ”says an article by Lev Romanov.

Then the machine was pleased with a sufficiently powerful protection of the stern and side projections, in many respects similar to the one that is now used on the T-72B3 of the 2016 sample of the year and will be on the T-90M.

“What we see at the Parade in Murmansk: if the front projections of the tower and the body are covered with powerful“ reactive ”armor Relic, then the dynamic defense of the sides is the same as in the T-72B sample ... 1989 of the year. And, as you know, it is no longer effective enough, ”the author notes.

Apparently, the military leadership stopped at a cheaper version of modernization.

At the same time, the publication notes that “even in this form, the T-80BVM is a very dangerous opponent for the enemy’s armored vehicles, including the most modern one”. In addition to the mentioned “Relic”, the tank received a modern multi-channel sight “Sosna-U” with automatic target tracking and a thermal imaging channel, as well as an understudy sight. This will allow firing shells and guided missiles at any time of the day.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. svp67
    svp67 7 May 2018 15: 12
    +23
    Here is what is shown in the photo, this is the SHAM of UVZ. These "co-workers" do not cherish the life of a Russian soldier and someone in the Russian Defense Ministry indulges them, which is bad. And what else just KILLED is that on this tank the first two rubber-fabric screens from T-72, and the rest from T-80 ... this is a complete sur ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 May 2018 15: 14
      +7
      Sculpt from all that is at hand.
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 7 May 2018 15: 20
        +3
        Not special in tanks, but why at the parade do you need T-80 (T-72) of any modification ?? Yes, and such a misunderstanding .. Armata and T-90 is not enough?
        1. svp67
          svp67 7 May 2018 15: 24
          +8
          Quote: maxim947
          but why at the parade do you need any T-80 (T-72) of any modification?

          But this is a parade in Murmansk, and there is no T-90, much less T-14 NO
          1. maxim947
            maxim947 7 May 2018 15: 27
            +3
            It's to blame, I didn’t notice, but the defense is still strange ... but the T-72 will also go around Moscow
            1. cariperpaint
              cariperpaint 7 May 2018 16: 18
              +2
              According to that 72 is the main tank. Which is quite normal.
            2. just exp
              just exp 7 May 2018 16: 30
              +13
              this is NOT BVM at all.
              this is the T-80 from the first tank company MP.
              there have changed a lot. OMS and stuff.
              but they simplified the armor since MPs have their own conditions of use.
              on other sites in more detail.
              1. My_log_in
                My_log_in 8 May 2018 12: 15
                0
                golden words, thanks for the helpful comment. And then he throws from the "Urya" to the "all gone" many.
        2. Dam
          Dam 7 May 2018 15: 26
          +5
          Armat is still not enough for Murmansk
          1. Alex 2016
            Alex 2016 7 May 2018 17: 29
            +5
            They are generally not enough anywhere) Even the manufacturer.
      2. Dam
        Dam 7 May 2018 15: 27
        +2
        So there’s almost no time left, the clock is ticking, the time h is inevitably approaching. So the lieutenants accelerated release this year
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint 7 May 2018 16: 22
          +2
          A release in 4 years is a return to the old system, nothing more.
    2. AVA77
      AVA77 7 May 2018 15: 23
      +2
      But you want everything at once, it doesn’t happen. The tank for the north is not bad. Bring to condition during operation.
    3. figwam
      figwam 7 May 2018 15: 27
      +8
      Yes, he has good protection in the frontal, but the side ...
      From above the tower also has open places, it is impossible for him to fight in the city.
      1. maykl8
        maykl8 7 May 2018 19: 33
        +3
        These are most likely tanks of the 200th motorized rifle brigade from Pechenga. There are almost no settlements on the border with Norway. There are hills overgrown with woodlands and boulders. And from autumn to spring, snow mountains and a polar, frosty night.
        IMHO. For this theater of operations a normal tank.
        1. figwam
          figwam 7 May 2018 22: 26
          +3
          Quote: maykl8
          IMHO. For this theater of operations a normal tank.

          But who knows where they’ll bring them. In the 90s I saw how they loaded onto a railway, a regiment of gas turbine T-80s, which were sent to Chechnya.
          1. maykl8
            maykl8 8 May 2018 07: 46
            +1
            In the 90s, loaded into Chechnya with the T-80, 129msp 45 msd. Tankers said that for the city of T-80 is so-so because of mainly the chassis. It accelerates slowly, the turbine is sensitive to dust and debris. Damaged T-80s were then replaced by T-72s. The second Chechen was already equipped with a regiment in the Shatoi district - T-55 equipped with Buryats. That’s what they called the Armored Drills. laughing
    4. okko077
      okko077 7 May 2018 15: 30
      +13
      Recently, a strange company has been launched on the website and in the country to popularize tanks ... The latter have long lost the role of the main striking force in the modern war and are used in the first echelon only to fight partisans .... In a real war, tanks are assigned the role of the third echelon, to suppress individual centers of resistance of an already broken enemy, or to organize and defend the shock troops of a position area ....
      You don’t need a large number of them .... The T-14 tank idealization company is more political in nature and has nothing to do with military power.
      The enemy comes into service with new anti-tank weapons with a range of up to 16 km .... The use of tanks in the 1st echelon without air defense systems makes them only targets in the conditions of using modern information reconnaissance equipment based on UAVs, etc.
      If we do not know how to fight in a new way, then this does not mean that the enemy does not know how to ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 May 2018 15: 38
        +18
        Quote: okko077
        In a real war, tanks are assigned the role of a third tier, to suppress individual centers of resistance of an already broken enemy, or to organize and defend shock troops of a positional area ....

        And you participated a lot in REAL wars. The last of them ended that century in the sands of Iraq and there the tanks played one of the MAJOR roles. You do not confuse "local" conflicts, civil wars and "global" wars
        Quote: okko077
        The use of tanks in the 1st echelon without means of air defense defense makes them only targets in the conditions of using modern information reconnaissance equipment based on UAVs, etc.
        What kind of cover means, explain?
        And what are air defense systems, aviation, headquarters and rear units without ground cover turning into?
        You are clearly an expert in one thing, you don’t even understand the meaning of the concept of a COMBAT BATTLE.
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          1. svp67
            svp67 7 May 2018 15: 52
            +18
            Quote: okko077
            Played a big role in your sore imagination?

            Excuse me, but not only the IMAGINATION, but also the SELF-LOVE is INFLAMMATED in you ... I have everything in order with this.
            Want to argue about the role of tanks in that war, PLEASE.
            Yes, and you did not answer the questions.
          2. Awaz
            Awaz 7 May 2018 16: 52
            +11
            of course they avoided tank battles. They simply shamefully fled from German tanks .. They also won in Africa only because the Germans outlived the entire supply chain. The Italians there demonstrated in all their glory their fighting qualities.
            There is a very useful example: Khalkhin Goal. Zhukov sent a huge number of tanks to the buried Japanese (you can find the numbers on the internet). The Japanese began to click these tanks directly, and as a result destroyed 70 pieces. But as a result, these tanks nevertheless reached Japanese positions and unearthed everything there, as a result, those who were unable to escape surrendered. So here. Having lost 70 tanks and 40 people by two hundred, the Red Army destroyed at least up to 1000 personnel plus prisoners plus all their equipment in scrap metal.
            You can still watch videos from Syria, which are up-to-date .. Very significant tanks work there ..
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 7 May 2018 19: 48
              +2
              Quote: AwaZ
              The direct fire of the Japanese began to click these tanks, and as a result destroyed 70 with something pieces.

              They mixed it up a bit - 70 tanks out of about 100 with a tail were damaged during the liquidation of the planned breakthrough of the Japanese group of nearly 10000 through our positions - the Yapis started crossing the river in the area where the Mongol units stood, the brave Mongols immediately went to the steppes (like tactics in they’ve been like that since the time of Genghis Khan :), here Zhukov had to urgently plug a hole with tanks and armored vehicles without covering the infantry, which simply would not have sung to arrive. As a result, the tanks were lost decently, but the Japanese were driven back to "their" shore.
              And when we went on the attack, there, by all rules, both tanks and cavalry, with the support of infantry, artillery and aviation, divided the Japanese group into three parts with three blows, as a result of which the yapes were completely defeated, having lost almost 10000 killed against ours approximately 2000 killed.
              1. svp67
                svp67 7 May 2018 20: 38
                +3
                Quote: Albert1988
                the yapes began forcing the river on the site where the Mongol units stood, the brave Mongols immediately went to the steppes (such as the tactics they have had since the time of Genghis Khan :)

                And the strategy ... the benefit of the division was cavalry. And most importantly, not reporting anything to the headquarters of the group. Information began to arrive in the evening, when one of our tank battalions, after marching from the depths, going to the designated area of ​​concentration, suddenly found out that he was busy with the Japanese and they simply did not want to free him. I had to move them, armor and fire
                Quote: Albert1988
                , Zhukov had to urgently plug a hole with tanks and armored vehicles without covering the infantry, which simply would not have sung to arrive.

                I did not succeed, but could not. I got lost. For which the commander of the rifle regiment was given to the tribunal and by his decision shot.
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 7 May 2018 21: 40
                  0
                  Here, thanks for the clarification!
        2. okko077
          okko077 7 May 2018 15: 59
          +2
          There hasn't been any combined arms battle for a long time. Go to the garbage dump .... and read out your obsolete nonsense .....
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 May 2018 16: 03
            +16
            Quote: okko077
            There hasn't been any combined arms battle for a long time. Go to the garbage dump .... and read out your obsolete nonsense .....

            Already, it's not that funny, but I just want to cry. You are not on this site, you are URGENTLY in the HOSPITAL, for soothing medicines. TO THE DOCTOR OF COMRADE, TO THE DOCTOR.
            Quote: okko077
            Already at the end of the 2nd World Pyndos, tank battles were already avoided, and only our generals covered corpses of tankers throughout Europe. What Prokhorovka is not enough for you? Lose hundreds of tanks by destroying a couple of dozen and introducing a tank ram ...
            Oh, where did you go? Yes, you do not know anything at all. And you climb with teachings and revelations ... Do not take a break.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 7 May 2018 19: 53
              0
              This is from the site of Ololesha Nanalnoy character. A juvenile deb .. l waves an oppa-chic sword.
            2. Hiller
              Hiller 7 May 2018 22: 05
              +3
              No need to waste time and nerves discussing with an illiterate and unbalanced individual ..
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 7 May 2018 16: 08
            +13
            Quote: okko077
            There hasn't been any combined arms battle for a long time. Go to the garbage dump .... and read out your obsolete nonsense .....

            Tin! This is what school they teach this? laughing
            1. cariperpaint
              cariperpaint 7 May 2018 16: 13
              +9
              In the culinary) my teachers would have precipitated if I blurted out something like that)))
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 7 May 2018 16: 50
                +10
                Quote: cariperpaint
                In the culinary) my teachers would have precipitated if I blurted out something like that)))

                If I blurted out such things at our department of tactics, I would have precipitated laughing drinks
                1. svp67
                  svp67 7 May 2018 17: 01
                  +4
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  If I blurted out such things at our department of tactics, I would have precipitated

                  I think we wouldn’t have time, before that you would have been "smeared" and "raped" with special cynicism, right on the spot, and then you would have applied the principle of "three B"
            2. svp67
              svp67 7 May 2018 16: 14
              +5
              Quote: Doliva63
              This is what school they teach

              This is not a school, this is the inflamed mind of the “Napoleon”, to whom “secret knowledge was revealed”
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 7 May 2018 16: 57
                +7
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Doliva63
                This is what school they teach

                This is not a school, this is the inflamed mind of the “Napoleon”, to whom “secret knowledge was revealed”

                Not a school ... Thank you, reassured drinks
            3. okko077
              okko077 7 May 2018 17: 32
              0
              For the complete collapse of your brain, I’ll add that advanced modern network-centric views on the conduct of war do not imply fire contact and military contact with the enemy, there is no front line, but there is a positional area of ​​warfare ... People do not go in the first echelon, and the heroes binocular spotters thrive in very backward armies, even if these armies have a nuclear baton .....
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 7 May 2018 19: 53
                +9
                Quote: okko077
                that advanced modern network-centric views on the conduct of war do not imply fire contact and combat contact with the enemy

                Respected! Aw! These "views" are applicable only if a country at the level of the USA is at war with a country at the level of Iraq or Afghanistan - then yes - it is possible not to make contact with the enemy at all, not even to have him in line of sight, at sufficient cost ...
                Only in a collision is it not so much with an equal, but simply with an adversary close in technical capabilities. all these "views" are covered with a copper basin, therefore. that the enemy, suddenly, has: modern aviation, modern air defense systems, modern radar and satellite surveillance systems, modern electronic warfare systems, modern missile defense systems and the rest of the list. In such circumstances, you will inevitably come across an adversary.
              2. svp67
                svp67 7 May 2018 20: 57
                +3
                Quote: okko077
                For a complete collapse of your brain

                With this "blizzard" the Americans dusted the brains of the "bold Georgians". How did this end for the Georgian army in 2008, you know or tell me.
                Quote: okko077
                that advanced modern network-centric views on the conduct of war do not imply fire contact and combat contact with the enemy, there is no front line, but there is a positional area of ​​warfare ...

                And all that you just said does not cancel the conduct of a GENERAL BATTLE. For now, fortunately or to grief, there does not exist a magical “sword-treasure” that would solve all the problems of armed struggle. For its conduct, units and units of various military branches will be involved.
                Quote: okko077
                People do not go in the first echelon, and heroes with binoculars thrive in very backward armies, even if these armies have a nuclear baton .....
                But this does not cancel the GENERAL BATTLE. Which must be organized, supervised, provided. And yet, for the time being, you have come up with dreams that will come true sooner or later, but until the Americans deploy another tank brigade to Poland and deploy operational warehouses in its territory and the Baltic states to supply ground units and the Air Force.
            4. Prisoner
              Prisoner 7 May 2018 23: 30
              +2
              Apparently in the culinary. what
          3. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 7 May 2018 16: 25
            +7
            rude old man ... there was a combined arms battle and will be in a global meat grinder, where without nuclear weapons (the use of nuclear weapons is a guaranteed destruction of the world) force, equipment and onslaught with the first strike will decide ... this is now being fought by company battalions, because conflicts are mainly with natives
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 7 May 2018 16: 46
              +2
              Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
              rude old man ... the combined arms battle was and will be in the global meat grinder,
              Alexander, it should look like this:

            2. okko077
              okko077 7 May 2018 17: 37
              0
              And your grandchildren and sons will be at the forefront of these blows? The stupid and devoted modern wars no longer win ..... This is blasphemy: confusion of stupidity and ignorance with patriotism and valor ... To win, you need to think .....
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 7 May 2018 19: 57
                +6
                Quote: okko077
                And your grandchildren and sons will be at the forefront of these blows? Dumb and devoted modern wars no longer win .....

                And when did the dumb win wars? Always to win it was necessary to think - still modern of the "oblique wedge" of Epominond and the battles of Ganibal, and even earlier. And then - who told you that in modern warfare, "at the forefront of attack" everyone will "stupidly" go with shouts of cheers and joined bayonets?
                At the forefront of modern attacks will be just the active interaction of all types of troops and a bunch of "tricky" tactics, and not just a brave attack with bayonets in tight formation ...
              2. Mestny
                Mestny 7 May 2018 20: 01
                -1
                Listen, really - how old are you?
          4. tarakan
            tarakan 7 May 2018 17: 18
            +1
            Killer argument
        3. Hiller
          Hiller 7 May 2018 21: 56
          +2
          Yes, this "specialist" with statements about "tanks in the third echelon" has in excess only an inflamed imagination.
      2. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 7 May 2018 15: 45
        +2
        Yes, offensives where tanks in the third echelon are possible for a state whose tanks are in Germany, France or Britain, but for the Russian Federation if we are talking about a European theater of war and a war to eliminate the population of Europe, you can put in the first echelon and conduct a blitzkrieg. Given the limited size of the theater, it can also roll. In the war with barmaley and so rolls.
        In general, not only in Russia, but also abroad there is no clear understanding of the place of tanks on the battlefield. Hence the questions on the Terminator. wassat
        1. svp67
          svp67 7 May 2018 15: 55
          +1
          Quote: Alex2048
          In general, not only in Russia, but also abroad there is no clear understanding of the place of tanks on the battlefield. Hence the questions on the Terminator.

          Sorry, but what does the place of the tank on the battlefield and the "questions on the" Terminator "have to do with it? Yes, and which of the "Terminators"? BMPT or helicopter?
          1. Aleks2048
            Aleks2048 7 May 2018 21: 01
            0
            Of course about BMPT. You would have remembered the movie.
        2. okko077
          okko077 7 May 2018 16: 03
          +1
          Yeah and what is it there is no clear understanding of the location of tanks on the battlefield turned around for us at the initial stage of World War II? Would you like to try again?
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 May 2018 16: 11
            +9
            Quote: okko077
            Yeah, and how is it that there is no clear understanding of the place of tanks on the battlefield turned out for us in the initial stage of World War II? Would you like to try again?

            Once again I ask, not having inaccurate data, no knowledge of the question, WHERE DO YOU CLIMB? You at least think THAN the Germans defeated our tank corps and armies in the Western direction. Is it not the blows of the TANK GROUP? And then, climb with some theories
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              1. svp67
                svp67 7 May 2018 20: 43
                0
                Quote: okko077
                We did not immediately learn their tactics and strategies, having lost a bunch of tanks, territory and a million people ....

                And what kind of America did you discover here? Was there an army before 1942 that could stand up to the Wehrmacht on equal terms? I do not know such.
                You heard something somewhere, read it, and try to draw GENERAL conclusions from these pieces. This is stupid
        3. Doliva63
          Doliva63 7 May 2018 16: 16
          +7
          Quote: Alex2048
          Yes, offensives where tanks in the third echelon are possible for a state whose tanks are in Germany, France or Britain, but for the Russian Federation if we are talking about a European theater of war and a war to eliminate the population of Europe, you can put in the first echelon and conduct a blitzkrieg. Given the limited size of the theater, it can also roll. In the war with barmaley and so rolls.
          In general, not only in Russia, but also abroad there is no clear understanding of the place of tanks on the battlefield. Hence the questions on the Terminator. wassat

          The tank’s place is registered in BUSV, but no one seems to read this book.
          As for BMPT, this is crap, invented on an initiative basis at UVZ, when there were no orders for anything, and now they are trying to explain to the military why they need this crap. The military, who read BUSV, do not find it in the battle formations of a tank platoon / company / battalion, "hence the questions about the Terminator!" laughing drinks
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 May 2018 16: 29
            +4
            Quote: Doliva63
            The tank’s place is registered in BUSV, but no one seems to read this book.

            Well, in different parts of BUSW, different things are prescribed and not only about tanks ...
            Quote: Doliva63
            As for BMPT, this is crap, invented on an initiative basis at UVZ

            And here you are wrong. At UVZ they offered their BMPT model, and the very concentration of such a machine was invented in Soviet times, according to the experience of the war in Afghanistan, at the same time they tried to translate it into metal, which Chelyabinsk residents were very successful in.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 7 May 2018 17: 10
              +7
              I read BUSV, thanks for reminding me drinks
              As for BMPT, the MO did not hear about such an order. Well, I talked with the developer - so he even started rubbing me about the wrong tactics of using tanks, etc. laughing
              I heard about a tank with an uninhabited tower in the mid-80s, I didn’t hear about a BMPT request
              1. svp67
                svp67 7 May 2018 21: 02
                0
                Quote: Doliva63
                I heard about a tank with an uninhabited tower in the mid-80s, I didn’t hear about a BMPT

                Read here https://topwar.ru/62459-proekty-boevyh-mashin-pod
                derzhki-tankov-obekt-781-i-obekt-782.html
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 7 May 2018 19: 59
            0
            Quote: Doliva63
            The military, who read BUSV, do not find him in the battle formations of a tank platoon / company / battalion, "hence the questions about the Terminator"

            But from something after Syria, the military decided to buy this very “terminator” - it may in its literature appear soon if it hasn’t appeared ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 7 May 2018 20: 53
              +1
              Quote: Doliva63
              The military, who read BUSV, do not find it in the battle formations of a tank platoon / company / battalion, "hence the questions about the Terminator!"

              To "find" something, BMPT must first be seen, tested and understood what they are capable of, both a single machine and as part of units. Here they will form the first units, drive them through a series of experimental exercises, summarize the experience gained with the experience gained in Syria and give the necessary instructions and changes to the BUSW.
            2. svp67
              svp67 8 May 2018 03: 42
              0
              Quote: Albert1988
              But from something after Syria, the military decided to buy this very “terminator” - it may in its literature appear soon if it hasn’t appeared ...

              Well, finally, it came to our MO that there is not one single “sword-kladenets” who can solve all the problems of armed struggle, that you need to have a certain supply of various tools to quickly solve the problems on the battlefield.
          3. Aleks2048
            Aleks2048 8 May 2018 07: 44
            0
            Well, here you are a BUS in which all is well. I once had the pleasure of studying this literature. But in my opinion, from the fact that now in the case of real wars it differs as portraits of abstract artists from photography.
      3. Doliva63
        Doliva63 7 May 2018 16: 31
        +12
        The principle of combined arms combat (in the past - the tactics of a deep operation) generally does not imply the conduct of hostilities without air cover and ground defense. In addition, it involves the early suppression of firing points, ATGM calculations, etc. in the offensive zone, the destruction of enemy airfields, their air defense, ensuring air supremacy, etc. In short, the task of tanks is simply to escort the infantry to where it should leave fingerprints of its boots / boot as a sign that the territory is occupied. Damn, already sweating, explaining such triviality! laughing drinks
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 7 May 2018 15: 36
      +5
      Not exactly what was expected. The troops received simplified versions of the T-80BVM
      Quote: svp67
      Here is what is shown in the photo, it is a shame UVZ.

      ] Sega, watch the "broom" ... what they said, then they did ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 May 2018 15: 59
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        what they said, they did ...

        Of course, apparently they are going to plant other people's sons in those tanks, NOT OWN. There wasn’t such thing before with gunsmiths of the Urals ...
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 7 May 2018 16: 15
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Of course, apparently they are going to plant other people's sons in those tanks, NOT OWN.

          Yes, but not the Dvorkovichs and Siluanovs ... not the gunsmiths, it’s the customer. where interesting strings stretch ...?
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 7 May 2018 16: 54
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Of course, apparently they are going to plant other people's sons in those tanks, NOT OWN.

          Sergey, just for God's sake, don’t get me wrong ...
    6. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 7 May 2018 15: 46
      0
      Quote: svp67
      These "co-workers" do not save the life of a Russian soldier and someone in the Russian Defense Ministry indulges them,


      And what, in the Murmansk region large-scale tank battles are predicted?
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 May 2018 15: 57
        +3
        Quote: Corsair0304
        And what, in the Murmansk region large-scale tank battles are predicted?

        What nonsense? Well, firstly TANK, this does not mean TANK BATTLE. And most importantly, why shouldn't they be there? Especially in the parade. There’s Yars on the Red Square, it’s not saying that they have launch positions there ...
        1. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 7 May 2018 16: 27
          +3
          how do you know what is in the forests of the Moscow Region and the okrug :) there can be yars like mushrooms in each clearing sunbathing
        2. Corsair0304
          Corsair0304 14 May 2018 12: 38
          0
          Quote: svp67
          What kind of nonsense?

          Why did they get that my question is nonsense? Reason before criticizing. And the hedgehog is understandable that tank units must be present, the only question is saturation and expediency. My question proceeded from this. And your inability to get a little deeper into the essence of the issue is sad.
    7. seti
      seti 7 May 2018 16: 00
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Here is what is shown in the photo, this is the SHAM of UVZ. These "co-workers" do not cherish the life of a Russian soldier and someone in the Russian Defense Ministry indulges them, which is bad. And what else just KILLED is that on this tank the first two rubber-fabric screens from T-72, and the rest from T-80 ... this is a complete sur ...

      And you didn’t think that maybe and really shouldn’t be fully invested in T-80? Yes, we need it, but it's still not our main car. And the secondary one which needs other spare parts and much more. The main machine is all the same old / good T-72 of various modifications and their T-90 receiver. Well, in the future, the T-14. This is where they need to be invested to the maximum and not to spray power.
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 May 2018 16: 23
        +3
        Quote: seti
        And you did not think that maybe and really should not be invested in full in the T-80?
        Well, at least they could incriminate a bulwark of the same type, do not these even mate? This is a penny. You that do not see this "shame"?
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 7 May 2018 17: 31
        +4
        Would you like to fight on an “uninvested” tank yourself? laughing
        Horror, what people write ...
    8. Gene Concrete
      Gene Concrete 7 May 2018 16: 03
      +5
      Both paid and off-duty.
      UVZ does what MO orders.
      Shame the wrong ...
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 7 May 2018 20: 06
        -2
        And who do you need?
        Come on, don’t be tom
        You can’t be made to speak specifically yet, you can pass for smart ones.
        And as he crowed - so immediately everything is clear.
    9. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 7 May 2018 16: 09
      +2
      What does UVZ have to do with it?))) They will be told what they’ll say and dressed. What they order and execute. Yes, and if I understood correctly on these machines, then the on-board probably just removed everything in the parks and replaced it with what it was. I would do that.
    10. WUA 518
      WUA 518 7 May 2018 16: 20
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      Here is what is shown in the photo, it is a shame UVZ. These "co-workers" do not cherish the life of a Russian soldier, and someone in the Russian Defense Ministry indulges them, which is bad. And what else just KILLED is that on this tank the first two rubber-fabric screens from the T-72, and the rest from the T-80 ... this is a complete sur.

      Hi, don’t swear. These are tanks that were freshly formed as part of the 61st separate Kirkenes Red Banner Brigade of the Northern Fleet of the Northern Fleet of a separate tank company, which underwent modernization in 2017 at OmskTransMash JSC (which is part of Uralvagonzavod NPK JSC).




      1. svp67
        svp67 7 May 2018 17: 08
        +2
        Quote: WUA 518
        modernized in 2017 at OmskTransMash JSC (part of Uralvagonzavod Scientific Industrial Complex JSC).

        It generally kills. Well, God bless him, that the T-80 had its own excellent bulwark ...

        It was this tank that was produced in Omsk ...
        Well, okay, then why didn’t they put a full bulwark from the T-72?
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 7 May 2018 17: 53
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Well, okay, then why didn’t they put a full bulwark from the T-72?

          Seryozha, is the technology for removing bulwarks from the T-72 and 80 different technologically and in time?
          Look at the photo, T-72 without side screens when unloading from the BDK.

          1. svp67
            svp67 7 May 2018 21: 04
            0
            Quote: WUA 518
            Seryozha, is the technology for removing bulwarks from the T-72 and 80 different technologically and in time?

            I don’t remember the time, but there are no special differences there.
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 7 May 2018 17: 39
        0
        Some kind of Deribas ... (((Babakhs from roofing iron and even more accurately body kits are molded .. (((
    11. Evgeny Strygin
      Evgeny Strygin 7 May 2018 17: 08
      0
      friend are you familiar with the word "customer"? or do you think they should build good defense outside those tasks, at the behest of the heart?
    12. eburg1234
      eburg1234 7 May 2018 21: 08
      +1
      You have some logic problems. UVZ offers various options for modernization, the Moscow Region chooses what it wants and buys.
      UVZ offered a rather advanced T-72B2 "Slingshot", MO ordered a simplified T-72B3.
      After the well-known events, the Moscow Region decided that the defense should be strengthened (as if no one had fought there before), the T-72B3 appeared with enhanced protection.
      The T-80BVM was introduced with the Relict on board like the last T-72B3 and T-90M. If we see that in the series they returned to the old version, then this is not the fault of UVZ (or rather the Spetsmash who developed this modernization), but the MO!
      Write letters to Shoigu.
    13. misti1973
      misti1973 8 May 2018 00: 38
      0
      And the Russian soldier is still not risking life anywhere! Ichtamnets do not count. But it would not have happened, as in that joke "tanks move in groups of three or four people."
  2. Alex777
    Alex777 7 May 2018 15: 14
    +11
    It is necessary to look at the combat vehicles, and not at the front.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 May 2018 15: 23
      +5
      It is necessary to look at the white-collar workers and uniform at the parade.
    2. Evdokim
      Evdokim 7 May 2018 15: 25
      +3
      Quote: Alex777
      It is necessary to look at the combat vehicles, and not at the front.

      Maybe it’s so beautiful, the parade is not Syria. You could still creatively paint, rhinestones, fringe, plaques are different. good
      1. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 7 May 2018 16: 28
        +2
        yeah, pink ottomans and seals
      2. Evgeny Strygin
        Evgeny Strygin 7 May 2018 17: 09
        0
        Yeah, and we bring the Brahmins! although almost already have their own.
    3. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 7 May 2018 16: 06
      +1
      Where does the ceremonial 80 new modernization in Murmansk come from?) Is this the drill)
  3. Romanenko
    Romanenko 7 May 2018 15: 29
    +4
    Technology Porthos - the sword belt, sewn in gold on the front side, and from the inside ....
    It would be necessary for these "economists" to reduce the cost of the project to such a tank and to the landfill, to shoot ATGMs at them from different angles, maybe you're lucky, they will remain alive
  4. Gronsky
    Gronsky 7 May 2018 15: 32
    +2
    Quote: figvam
    He can’t fight in the city.

    And not in the city either. Javelin, he hits the dog from above.
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 7 May 2018 16: 05
      +1
      Yes, even in the tail) javelin is not a panacea but just a tool. With competent command and proper reconnaissance, their presence will not bring much benefit.
  5. Lerych
    Lerych 7 May 2018 15: 36
    +6
    We, in Norilsk, will have three "armored personnel carriers" made of Cossacks and plywood by enthusiasts at the parade. Can this be judged on the Russian army?
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 7 May 2018 15: 43
      +1
      Are there no armored units in Norilsk?
      1. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 7 May 2018 16: 29
        +3
        in Norilsk, border guards probably only from the military and air defense
  6. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 7 May 2018 15: 39
    +4
    A rubber apron is certainly not that. Skolkovo was probably developed for more than one year from nano rubber.
    1. eburg1234
      eburg1234 7 May 2018 20: 53
      +2
      Petroslyan in vain. The apron was developed back in the USSR, then the T-80 was blown in a wind tunnel to understand how to reduce the amount of dust entering the gas turbine engine.
      Although in Murmansk its significance is not as great as in the deserts / steppes).
  7. Imobile
    Imobile 7 May 2018 15: 44
    +7
    Still give birth! Tonight I suggest everyone to make an army for a soldier. good
  8. Chaser
    Chaser 7 May 2018 15: 48
    +2
    Well, at least there is a thermal imager ... And then with * MOON * in 2018 it is somehow not solid ... A friend fought in the Donbass in a tank brigade - not a single thermal imager on bulat and t64bv ... The thermal imager first appeared thanks to the volunteers.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 7 May 2018 16: 07
      +1
      Amazing of course. On bulati, the presence of the Buran-E gunner’s night complex is declared, or is it not a thermal imager, but a low-level complex?
      1. Chaser
        Chaser 7 May 2018 16: 34
        +6
        This is not a thermal imager, low level. The thermal imager was supposed to be Buran-Catherine. But there was no money for it during the modernization (a couple of ostentatious sets do not count ...). In general, Bulat is a take ... In the 1st brigade, many of them were lost at the Lugansk airport and Dimitrovka ... There were cases of detonation of an airborne knife from close mine explosions ... some were left by crews ... the engine does not pull, at all. Already in the fall-winter battles of 14-15ggs, the Tungusks directly rolled out. It was fun to hear how the commanders said - Tunguska if that company of Russian tanks can stop !!!
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 7 May 2018 17: 54
          +3
          Yeah. Not a very optimistic picture. Reminds a situation in the first Chechen.
  9. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 7 May 2018 15: 55
    +1
    Onboard any protection tends to come off to hell. Most likely, someone at the rehearsal onboard the fence at the exit from the park hooked and removed everything that would then not be answered. Murmansk is the marines tanks?
  10. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 7 May 2018 16: 04
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    Here is what is shown in the photo, this is the SHAM of UVZ. These "co-workers" do not cherish the life of a Russian soldier and someone in the Russian Defense Ministry indulges them, which is bad. And what else just KILLED is that on this tank the first two rubber-fabric screens from T-72, and the rest from T-80 ... this is a complete sur ...


    Judging by the helmet, an Air Force specialist? And even if the battlefield is not very visible from heaven, especially behind the smoke and clouds, and which tanks are rumbling in the field, is it worth it to go down to the level of a couch expert, who has never served in the army and only saw equipment in the picture?
    UVZ was engaged in the T-72 line; 90 and Armata.
    T-80 engaged Kirov in St. Petersburg, and Omsk TK.
    The fact that they were all combined into one holding is good, i.e. a more centralized and rational policy is assumed, but no one has canceled their specialization. If you decide to upgrade this way, then this decision was made not at UVZ, but higher! Well, every cricket takes its sixth.
  11. Vard
    Vard 7 May 2018 16: 21
    +2
    Tanks ... They are worth the money .. But tankers women give birth to tanks ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 May 2018 17: 06
      0
      In the case of T 72, T 80, the crew will die along with the tank in the explosion of the BK.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 7 May 2018 17: 40
        +4
        The explosion of the BC will kill the crew of any tank, I think. But, 1 - you still have to get this way (and who else would have allowed it), 2 - anyone can die in a war. What does it have to do with 72 and 80?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 May 2018 22: 38
          0
          Most often, when hit, the BC detonated, recalling Chechnya, Syria.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 8 May 2018 17: 27
            +4
            Familiar Zampotech TB from the 32nd town on the detonation of BC in Chechnya did not draw attention. And he "kept statistics" by definition. But I won’t argue, although I was finishing tank work, I couldn’t serve in the BTV.
  12. win9090
    win9090 7 May 2018 17: 18
    0
    All the money of the "superpower" ran out ... not for long the music played.
  13. yasvet
    yasvet 7 May 2018 17: 42
    +2
    Quote: cariperpaint
    then the onboard most likely just removed everything in the parks and replaced

    Almost like that), next door in Pechenga, the on-board protection kits are well stocked, and by the time the Xs will be on the boards as expected.
  14. tractor driver73
    tractor driver73 7 May 2018 17: 45
    0
    And the price is probably set for a complete modernization!
  15. New Year day
    New Year day 7 May 2018 17: 52
    0
    There is no money, but you fight. The beans give birth to a lot
  16. Wolka
    Wolka 7 May 2018 18: 24
    0
    half measures, again taxpayer money down the drain ...
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  18. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 7 May 2018 20: 20
    0
    Well, as always, nothing new should be torn off for such incomplete upgrades. I don’t understand these three panels from the side. They only cover the driver’s mechanics and the fighting compartment remains bare, and on b3 2016 there are just additional plates without dynamic protection. The stronghold has a real dz and a fucking abrams now they weigh it on her and we just have plates and tires and EVERYTHING !!! (The only interest in the mounted soft armor hung at one of the shows
    1. eburg1234
      eburg1234 7 May 2018 20: 58
      0
      You are raving.
      1. ljoha_d
        ljoha_d 25 May 2018 18: 27
        0
        Please explain what is the nonsense?
      2. eburg1234
        eburg1234 25 May 2018 19: 01
        0
        On the T-72B3 arr. 2016 a full-fledged DZ board "Relic". This is written in the contract (for stupid and unbelievers).
  19. lekalpan
    lekalpan 7 May 2018 21: 42
    0
    The simpler the more reliable!
  20. intuzazist
    intuzazist 8 May 2018 02: 28
    0
    laughing laughing I wallow from local "experts" !!! Well okromya marshal svp67! You see the tank they brought the wrong one to the parade !!! But isn’t it that the parade in Murmansk will take place ?! But on Dikson or Khatanga there will be no tanks at all! Well, there are none there, absolutely !!!!! But aviation will be, and even what .......................................... ..
    ...............
  21. intuzazist
    intuzazist 8 May 2018 02: 34
    0
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Are there no armored units in Norilsk?

    There is! Northern group of Soviet troops SGSV! From the attack of enemy infantry from the north covers !!! Did not hear ?! So amers will be a surprise ........................................
    .....
  22. Catfish
    Catfish 8 May 2018 02: 53
    +1
    By the 22nd o'clock everyone was exhausted. Out! We had no screens on the 54s and no one moaned. I generally had a car with kapitalki. And nothing served. soldier
    Quote: svp67
    Here is what is shown in the photo, this is the SHAM of UVZ. These "co-workers" do not cherish the life of a Russian soldier and someone in the Russian Defense Ministry indulges them, which is bad. And what else just KILLED is that on this tank the first two rubber-fabric screens from T-72, and the rest from T-80 ... this is a complete sur ...

    And the life of the Russian soldier is not cherished not by designers with manufacturers, but by a heroic command with slogans like ZhUkovsky - "women still give birth." No.
  23. PROXOR
    PROXOR 8 May 2018 11: 20
    0
    The coalition that goes to Red Square also has a very simplified version. I don’t see the AFAR antenna on the tower, I think I still haven’t noticed much. So it seems to me that the parade is driven specifically by technology in a lightweight varinate.