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There are no Cossacks in Ukraine!

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One of the deputies of the Crimean parliament told how, when he was a peninsula in Ukraine, he traveled around the Lviv region. His attention was attracted by a well-groomed mound with a cross on top. The attendant explained that this was the “grave of the Cossacks”. When asked where in Cossacks and Poles in Galicia, where the Cossacks were always on the Polish side, a Cossack burial place appeared, obviously revered, the “guide” explained that it was an “installation”, that nobody in the mound a year ago not buried.

According to the deputy, such an "art object" is a kind of symbol of Ukrainian historiography, "poured", like a false barrow, from scratch.



It should be noted that it is based on the unrestrained exploitation of the Cossack past of Ukraine. On what, in turn, political constructions are built.

So, for example, the other day in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine a draft law was registered on renaming the Dnipropetrovsk region to Scheslavsky (Sicheslavsky). This innovation is envisioned under the Decommunization Act, “Recovery historical justice ”and the designation“ the role of our ancestors - the Cossacks in the construction of Ukrainian statehood ”.

However, for the sake of “historical justice”, we note that the Cossacks were not engaged in the construction of “Ukrainian statehood”, and modern Ukrainians are not their descendants.

Note that the dispute still does not subside as to who the Cossacks are: an estate, a subethnos, or an ethnos. Without going into the specifics of this difficult dispute, we note that the Cossacks and in general all the Dnieper Cossacks in the days when they lived on the territory of modern Ukraine did not consider the rest of Little Russia to be their peers or their blood brothers. The Cossacks themselves were called Cherkasy, not Ukrainians or Little Russians.

Nikolai Gogol in his immortal "Taras Bulba" described in detail the procedure for accepting newcomers in the Zaporizhzhya Sich: "You believe in God, in the Holy Trinity you believe, well, cross and go into what you know the hell."

However, in this way the Cossacks of the Dnieper or Don Cossacks were taken to the Sich. All the others waited for a different reception. So, a foreigner-Catholic or Protestant (and such people came) could be accepted only after the adoption of Orthodoxy. And then only if he was a “military man” of interest to the Sich: an artilleryman, engineer, gunsmith or a seasoned warrior.

The peasant who escaped from his sir was asked to become a “serf of troops”. He was allowed to settle on the lands of the Sich, use its protection and rent farmland. For which he had to pay dues to the treasury of the Sich. There was no talk of any admission to the Cossack "partnership".

The situation changed after the outbreak of wars with Poland, which were conducted by the Cossacks, not for the sake of building "Ukrainian statehood", but in defense of Orthodoxy and their "chivalrous rights" constantly violated by royal officials and magnates.

Due to the large losses of personnel and the general confusion, some Little Russian peasants had a chance to climb a higher social ladder, join the community of privileged warriors and “prove themselves”.

However, this “infusion” did not change the way of life, nor the traditions or self-awareness of the Cossacks.

The abolition of Catherine the Great Sich began the process of resettlement of the Cossacks and the Dnieper Cossacks in the Kuban, Terek, on the territory of other Cossack troops in Russia, which lasted until the middle of the 19-th century.

The Cossacks, who did not agree with the liquidation of the Sich and left for Turkish territory, also returned from emigration and settled mainly in the Kuban.



That is, the vast majority of the Cossacks and the Dnieper Cossacks moved to the Kuban, moving here the regalia and traditions of the Sich, and partly its structure. Until now, a significant part of the Kuban villages is named after Zaporizhzhya smokers.

Those who remained in Ukraine ceased to be Cossacks, both legally and professionally, and finally ethnically.

It is also noteworthy that the Kuban balakka, spoken in the Black Sea villages of Kuban, is not at all the “adverb of the Ukrainian language”, which, strictly speaking, was not yet at the end of the 18th century (it was started to be created from different tribal dialects only at the end the next nineteenth century), and the dialect of the Russian language.

The tsarist government, interested in the rapid economic development of the Kuban Territory, which was seriously hampered due to the fact that all the Cossack forces were constrained by the war with the mountaineers and participation in foreign campaigns of the Russian army, began to settle in the Kuban and peasants. Including from the Ukraine. But the peasants from the Chernigov and Poltava gubernias were not at all considered by the Cossacks who had moved from there earlier, as "countrymen." They were called "nonresident" and "Khokhlov", and their status was similar to what the "serfs of the troops" had in the Sich. Being related to “nonresident” was a disgrace for the Cossack.

It is no coincidence that during the civil war it was “non-resident” that became the main support of the Bolsheviks and the worst enemies of the Cossacks. They became one of the most active participants in the storytelling.

To this was added the campaign of forced Ukrainization, which was carried out in Kuban in the 20-30-s of the XX century, when all office work and school education in the region was translated into "Ukrainian" language. And the Cossacks resisted this Ukrainization with all their might.

The Kuban Cossacks consider their tribesmen to be not Ukrainians at all, but Don, Terek and other Cossacks.

It is noteworthy that the descendants of "non-resident" in the Kuban today most often position themselves as descendants of the Cossacks (the benefit is that Little Russian and Cossack surnames often coincide) and participate in the revival of the Cossacks.

There are no Cossacks in Ukraine!


The attitude of the Kuban, the sole heirs of the Zaporozhye army and the Dnieper Cossacks, to the “Ukrainian statehood” is evidenced by the fact that during the Civil War they smashed gangs of Petliurists, and today they played one of the main roles in the “Crimean spring”. Many Kuban fought and fight with the APU and the Nabat battalion, along with the Donbas brothers for the freedom of Donbass. And many fighters put their heads in this fight.

In other words, they are the only heirs of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and the Dnieper Cossacks, their fame and traditions. And all the claims of Kiev ideologues for Cossack roots and heritage are untenable. Especially since the main achievements of the Dnieper Cossacks, the preservation of Orthodoxy in the south-western Russian lands and their reunification with the rest of Russia, the “svidomye” Ukrainians repudiated.
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  1. Terenin
    Terenin 8 May 2018 05: 46
    +26
    Here is the answer of the author of the article. You can’t say better. The attitude of the Kuban, the sole heirs of the Zaporozhye army and the Dnieper Cossacks, to the “Ukrainian statehood” is evidenced by the fact that during the Civil War they smashed gangs of Petliurists, and today they played one of the main roles in the “Crimean spring”. Many Kuban fought and fight with the APU and the Nabat battalion, along with the Donbas brothers for the freedom of Donbass. And many fighters put their heads in this fight.
    1. Evdokim
      Evdokim 8 May 2018 06: 35
      +9
      The current Ukrainian authorities compensate for the absence of Ukrainian history by intensively draining it out of their fingers, de-communized Prince Vladimir, Sumerians in their favor, invented ancient ukrov, Zaporozhye Cossacks a tidbit that was also simply privatized to please their nation. hi
      1. urman
        urman 8 May 2018 06: 46
        +7
        Quote: Evdokim
        the absence of Ukrainian history is compensated by the intensive exhaustion of it from the finger,

        What to take from the poor.
        Artificial education and not a country.
        Galicians and Cossacks laughing
        It's not even funny, so shrug your shoulders, and twist a finger at the temple.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 8 May 2018 08: 43
          +11
          Song about Ukrainian "Cossacks". (Have you thought about which ones?)
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 8 May 2018 13: 19
            +3
            Thanks for song ! I haven’t heard her for a long time, although I’ve got it somewhere in the musical “zasashnik” ...
    2. 210ox
      210ox 8 May 2018 07: 56
      +8
      Kuban and put things in order among the "refugees" in 2014 .... Then all the shelupon came to the Kuban.
      Quote: Terenin
      Here is the answer of the author of the article. You can’t say better. The attitude of the Kuban, the sole heirs of the Zaporozhye army and the Dnieper Cossacks, to the “Ukrainian statehood” is evidenced by the fact that during the Civil War they smashed gangs of Petliurists, and today they played one of the main roles in the “Crimean spring”. Many Kuban fought and fight with the APU and the Nabat battalion, along with the Donbas brothers for the freedom of Donbass. And many fighters put their heads in this fight.
      1. dSK
        dSK 9 May 2018 05: 58
        +5

        Congratulations to the Cossacks and all the VO participants with Victory Day!
  2. already a Muscovite
    already a Muscovite 8 May 2018 06: 12
    +9
    Forward friends, the time has come forward,
    The eve of the end celebrates the people.
    Jewish cossacks rebelled
    There was a coup in Birobidzhan.
    1. Evdokim
      Evdokim 8 May 2018 06: 39
      +3
      Quote: already a Muscovite
      There was a coup in Birobidzhan

      Strange, why not in Tel Aviv? belay
      1. novel66
        novel66 8 May 2018 09: 52
        +2
        there are no Cossacks
      2. bloodsucker
        bloodsucker 9 May 2018 14: 07
        0
        Evdokim
        Strange, why not in Tel Aviv?
        Patam, which is not in rhyme. tongue But in Jerusalem it’s suitable. Even here you don’t have a canal. crying
        1. Filxnumx
          Filxnumx 11 May 2018 19: 29
          0
          Forward friends, the time has come forward,
          The eve of the end celebrates the people.
          Jewish cossacks rebelled
          And in Tel Aviv there was a coup.

          IMHO normal rhyme
    2. 210ox
      210ox 8 May 2018 08: 20
      +8
      This is what side to the “Cossacks"? Ah! Well, yes! There is Benya Kolomoisky ...
      Quote: already a Muscovite
      Forward friends, the time has come forward,
      The eve of the end celebrates the people.
      Jewish cossacks rebelled
      There was a coup in Birobidzhan.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 8 May 2018 13: 26
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        This is what side to the “Cossacks"? Ah! Well, yes! There is Benya Kolomoisky ...

        Shaw, is it not clear here? I am begging you ! In phrases: Zaporizhzhya Cossacks .... Ukrainian and Jewish Cossacks, have the same word! yes
        1. 210ox
          210ox 8 May 2018 18: 10
          +3
          Yes, you are right .. There is even such a phrase .. "Berdichevsky Cossack" wassat
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Quote: 210ox
          This is what side to the “Cossacks"? Ah! Well, yes! There is Benya Kolomoisky ...

          Shaw, is it not clear here? I am begging you ! In phrases: Zaporizhzhya Cossacks .... Ukrainian and Jewish Cossacks, have the same word! yes
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 9 May 2018 14: 06
            +3
            Duc, what kind of phrases do not exist! For example, the "Kalmyk Cossacks" ... or this:

            The Bashkir Cossack of the beginning of the 19 century.
            Duc, why not be a "Jewish Cossacks"? wink lol
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 May 2018 06: 44
    +5
    If Ukrainian ideological historians found that Ukrainians went from the ancient Sumerians, then why be surprised at the Cossacks.
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 8 May 2018 06: 56
      +1
      It is believed that the ancestors of ancient ukrov were those descendants of the Slavs who degraded and gave offspring with beast-like creatures! laughing From a gorilla for example, or a chimpanzee ... They do not correspond to the Slavic genotype.
  4. mavrus
    mavrus 8 May 2018 07: 29
    +5
    Quote: already a Muscovite
    Forward friends, the time has come forward,
    The eve of the end celebrates the people.
    Jewish cossacks rebelled
    There was a coup in Birobidzhan.

    Stirlitz: "Arachnid Cossacks - this is something new ...".
    Then it was a nonsense from the mouth of a drunk general, and today VNA 404 is the norm.
  5. Altona
    Altona 8 May 2018 08: 19
    +3
    Quote: rotmistr60
    If Ukrainian ideological historians found that Ukrainians went from the ancient Sumerians, then why be surprised at the Cossacks.

    ----------------------------
    Gennady, the Sumerian family does not translate. laughing laughing
  6. Sadko88
    Sadko88 8 May 2018 08: 25
    +4
    That's right. I have a grandmother, the Khopersky Cossack still does not digest Ukrainians, although she was married to a migrant from Zaporozhye. For three years she refused to get married, but grandfather did. And only after her parents theologized. By the way, even with his grandfather during his lifetime, only twice in his childhood the accent stuck to his farm and still pops up when communicating with Ukrainians or descendants of Zaporozhye.
    1. andj61
      andj61 8 May 2018 09: 20
      +12
      Quote: Sadko88
      That's right. I have a grandmother, the Khopersky Cossack still does not digest Ukrainians, although she was married to a migrant from Zaporozhye. For three years she refused to get married, but grandfather did. And only after her parents theologized. By the way, even with his grandfather during his lifetime, only twice in his childhood the accent stuck to his farm and still pops up when communicating with Ukrainians or descendants of Zaporozhye.

      The author is right and wrong at the same time. Not all Cossacks moved to the Kuban at all, but only those who decided to continue the service, that is, their most active part. Many remained. My great-grandfather, living in the territory of the present Bryansk region, was precisely the Zaporizhzhya Cossack - according to his estate. As he said, there was an irregular Cossack army, his father still participated in one of the last gatherings and reviews of the Starodub regiment of this army somewhere in the 1880s. The descendants of the Cossacks in the Bryansk region are now full, but only the present mummers of the Cossacks, as a rule, have no relation to them. I think that in Ukraine everything is the same, only in Western Ukraine there were no Cossacks from the word “absolutely”. And yes - they were proud of their estate, and the peasants living in the neighboring village were not considered an equal, moreover, even in Soviet times, when they worked on the same collective farm! Peasants were called buckwheat, although they themselves sowed this buckwheat in the same way. hi
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 8 May 2018 11: 03
        +1
        Quote: andj61
        My great-grandfather, living in the territory of the present Bryansk region, was precisely the Zaporizhzhya Cossack - according to his estate. As he said, there was an irregular Cossack army, his father still participated in one of the last gatherings and reviews of the Starodub regiment of this army somewhere in the 1880s. Descendants of the Cossacks in the Bryansk region and now is full

        Many people believe that the Zaporizhzhya army and the Cossacks of the Zaporizhzhya Sich are one and the same. It's not like that at all. The territories of those and others even lay in different states. The first - in Poland, then in Russia, the second in the Crimean Khanate, then, much later than the first - in Russia.
        Bogdan Khmelnitsky reuniting with the Russian people and the Orthodox Tsar, saying: "We, Bogdan Khmelnitsky, Hetman of the Zaporizhzhya Army, and the entire Zaporizhzhya Army, and the whole Christian Russian world to the face of the earth we beat with our brow" - did not speak about Zaporizhia.
        In the brief Chronicle of Malyia of Russia, published by G. Ruban, the following list of the then elected or reestrovny then Kozakov is placed on page 2b, with the Colonels placed above them in Khmelnitsky in 1650: [Regiments (in the hetman’s regiments, this is also territorial division) Colonels elected. Kozaki]: 1) Chigirinsky Fedor Yakubovsky. 3189; 2) Cherkasskago Ivan Voronenko. 2989; 3) Kanevskago Semyon Pavinsky. 3120; 4) Korsunskago Lukyan Mozira 3492; 5) Umanskago Joseph Deaf. 3830; 6) Braslavskago Danilo Nechay. 2802; 7) Kalnickago Ivan Fedorenko. 6046; 8) Kievskago Anton Adamovich. 2080; 9) Pereyaslavskago Fedor Loboda. 2150; 10) Kropyvenskago Philo Jagel 2083; eleven) Ostranskago Timothy Nosach. 1988; 12) Mirgorodskago Maxim Smooth. 3188; thirteen) Poltava Martyn Pushkar. 2873; 14) Nezhinskago Prokop Shumenko. 9083; fifteen) Chernihiv Martyn Nebaba. 9096; And that: 57,889 Cossacks.
        Those. the entire Zaporizhzhya Army is the Poltava region. (Kremenchug - not in Poland, and not in the Army - already the Crimean fortress Kermenchuk), parts of Kiev and Cherkasy region. And Chernihiv. There is a special case with Chernihiv. In 1500-1503gg. she, along with the Bryansk region, departed from Lithuania to Russia. After the Great Troubles in 1618 Deulinsky truce the Poles selected Chernihiv and Smolensk. Thirty + years later, Chernihiv lawfully had to return to Russia directly, but Khmelnitsky asked the tsar to get him into the hetman. And in the Zaporizhzhya Sich, then in their turn, the Cossack circle annually elected their ataman atoms.
        So the old-Dubu Cossacks have to do with the Cossacks, but nothing to the Zaporizhzhya Sich - why should the registry (money and other forms of allowance) the Cossack drop everything and run into freemen. In terms of mentality, these are also different Cossacks. The regimental Cossacks of the Hetman are essentially territorial troops. With the appropriate discipline, training and combat effectiveness.
        The resettlement of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and the liquidation of the hetman with regimental division are different events that occurred for various reasons.
        By the way, the suburban Cossack regiments (also territorial, but never related to the hetman) simply reorganized into regular units of the Russian army.
        That's only when the Sich created by Ivan the Terrible and Dmitry Vishnevetsky returned to Russia.
        1. Fayter2017
          Fayter2017 8 May 2018 12: 40
          +5
          . Kalnitskago Ivan Fedorenko. 6046; 8)

          I am proud that I was born in the village of Kalnik, Ilyinetsky district, Vinnitsa region
          Ancestors are recorded in registry kOzak.
          At the time of Bogdan Khmelnitsky, the village was a regimental town and commanded by the Kalnitsky regiment Ivan Bogun, by the way, "his hut" with a half-meter thick walls was preserved.
          In the Polish film, Fire and Sword, by the way it is clearly shown, by Russian actor Alexander Domogarov.
          1. Antares
            Antares 9 May 2018 09: 58
            +3
            Quote: Fayter2017
            In the Polish film, Fire and Sword, by the way it is clearly shown, by Russian actor Alexander Domogarov.

            Bogdan Stupka in the role of Bogdan Khmelnitsky perfectly played.
            One of my favorite films (both Mortar and Fast in one film)
            Hoffman invited Russian and Ukrainian actors. A good film about those times, albeit more artistic, but vivid.
        2. andj61
          andj61 8 May 2018 12: 45
          +2
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          So the old-Dubu Cossacks have to do with the Cossacks, but nothing to the Zaporizhzhya Sich - why should the registry (money and other forms of allowance) the Cossack drop everything and run into freemen. In terms of mentality, these are also different Cossacks. The regimental Cossacks of the Hetman are essentially territorial troops. With the appropriate discipline, training and combat effectiveness.

          I agree with you. True, you don’t mention one more moment: the registered Cossacks (my ancestors were just them) quite came to Sich, especially when they were young, before marriage — to walk, to show off, to go on a hike-raid, to gain experience. Something like Gogol. And then, having settled down, after a couple of years they would return to their measured register life. hi
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 8 May 2018 15: 09
            +3
            Quote: andj61
            True, you don’t mention one more moment: the registered Cossacks (my ancestors were just them) quite came to Sich, especially when they were young, before marriage — to walk, to show off, to go on a hike-raid, to gain experience. Something like Gogol.

            Gogol is a professor of history, he has everything for sure. Only Taras Bulba dates back to the uprising of Severin Nalivaiko. Then there was Poland around. Although the Poles have already banned the Orthodox faith, the Russian language, deprived Orthodox political rights, etc. BUT even Galicia was Orthodox. Therefore, the Galician Sagaydachny-Konashevich came to Sech like that and became a ataman there (and the Galician Zarutsky ataman of the Don). And others came, and Cossacks, excluded from the registry.
            But it was unlikely in those days that the Cossack, included in the register, could afford to go to Sich, "take a walk, show off, go on a hike-raid, get experience." This is a register in Zhalana for Hetmanism in Russia amounted to 60 thousand. For the Poles, the registry was very small, sometimes up to several thousand and increased during the war of the Poles with their neighbors. Therefore, in Polish times in Little Russia, it is hardly appropriate to talk about the Cossack estate (with inheritance in generations) (typically territorial mercenaries). Going to Sich means losing your registry income. And in the days of the Hetmanism it was not so simple. "In 1696, the Kiev governor Prince Baryatinsky received from Starodubsky a resident of Suslov, a letter in which he writes: “The initial people are now all Poles in the Little Russian army. Under Obidovsky, Mazepa’s nephew, there are not a single Cossack servant. The Cossacks have a great complaint against hetmans, colonels and centurions that the old liberties were eradicated they were all taken away, turned into their citizenship, the lands were taken apart on their own, from which the Cossacks had sat down to serve one and a half hundred now, now only five or six people come out. and Serdyutsk, hoping for their fidelity and in these regiments there is not a single person of a natural Cossack, all Poles ... "- S. M. Solovyov -" History of Russia ", vol. XIV. M 1962, Prince VII, pp. 597-598 To enter the service - this means getting money on the registry.
            Pay attention to one more moment. At that time (Severin Nalyvaiko) serfdom was not yet in Russia (it was introduced by the Romanovs), and in Poland it is also very wild, and Gogol’s just about serfdom in those parts (of his relatives) is very clearly written. Therefore, exclusion from the registry led to enslavement. Therefore, they fled to Sich. Therefore, even the bloody Sagaidachny-Konashevich for Russia in 1620 asked for Russian citizenship (after the Deulinsky truce there is no war - the Poles do not need a large register), but here the Poles had a war with the Turks for the happiness of Sagaidachny, where he died.
            They talked about the estates later, when they liquidated the hetmanism. Here it became important who would be in what estate in the empire, so they were looking for who in what "was". The same Gogol (on the paternal side from the family of the Orthodox priests Yanovsky, on the female one - from the Cossack foreman) suddenly turned out to be a "relative" of the associate of Jan Sobessky Colonel gentry Gogol - and therefore "got" into the nobles. Coming "from the Cossacks" was also much more profitable than from the peasants. Therefore, in Little Russia, everyone who could not become a nobleman like Gogol became (signed up) "Cossacks." Like Bulgakov: "I’ll take it into account, and serve - a shish with butter." The real Cossacks, as they were, remained warriors - they switched to the service of regular troops.
            PS. Bulba’s two sons go to Sich right after studying in Bursa (although she appeared only under Peter the Grave). And of course, it is necessary to apply not the word estate to the then Cossacks from Sich, but the exact word of Gogol - partnership.
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 8 May 2018 22: 44
              +3
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              This is in Russia the register for the Charter for the Hetmanate was 60 thousand

              Regarding the official registry and the real number of Cossacks, I once read interesting data. Namely, that the registry was not true. There were fewer Kozakovs, but the Cossack foreman received supplies and supplies for a much larger number of people.
            2. Antares
              Antares 9 May 2018 10: 02
              +1
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Therefore, even bloody for Russia Sagaidachny-Konashevich

              for Russia or Russia? There will be a catch, I would not call it bloody.
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              and in Poland it is also very wild

              up to 6 days. Moscow themselves were surprised at the will of the lords (you won’t take anything from such a naked peasant). But in Panskaya Poland really the most cruel serfdom.
      2. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 8 May 2018 12: 14
        +6
        Quote: andj61
        As he said, there was an irregular Cossack army, his father still participated in one of the last gatherings and reviews of the Starodub regiment of this army somewhere in the 1880s.

        Missed / forgot. Which 1880s? Ekaterina 100 years before abolished the hetman, regimental division and territorial troops. Territorial Registered Cossacks (contained at the expense of the budget of the empire, others were not there) It was proposed to continue serving in the regular army (in particular, to the Cossacks of the Starodub regiment - in the Dragoon regiment). Those who refused the service (and, accordingly, it was removed from the registry) - what are the Cossacks? Moreover, after 100 years, I’m not even talking about now.
        Well, of course, when people can tell a story of a kind over 300-400 years. How many are there? Or do many retell myths, confusing hundreds of years?
        Only in Ukraine people are not able to remember with whom their grandfathers fought 75 years ago.
        1. Antares
          Antares 9 May 2018 10: 07
          0
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          Starodubsky regiment of this army somewhere in the 1880s.

          Eliminated: 1781
          Starodub Seversky is a famous city. (And not only in the Northern War)
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 8 May 2018 13: 35
      +3
      Quote: Sadko88
      in childhood, the accent stuck and still pops up when communicating with Ukrainians or descendants of the Cossacks.

      E-e-e-t! Until 27, they took me for the "Baltic" ... because of the "accent" .....
  7. BAI
    BAI 8 May 2018 08: 55
    +5
    That is why Ukraine is trying to claim the Kuban. Let’s better try to join Canada.
  8. Merold
    Merold 8 May 2018 09: 03
    +2
    There are no Cossacks in Ukraine!

    But they "are" in Russia.

    This is the popular Clarin newspaper in Argentina. The heading "The Pro-Putin Cossacks will be involved in security at the World Cup" and a description of what the "Cossacks" did at the rally.
  9. Sadko88
    Sadko88 8 May 2018 09: 14
    +7
    Quote: Merold
    But they are in Russia
    Thank God!
  10. Saling
    Saling 8 May 2018 09: 44
    +9
    Is there any difference between the Ukrainian mummers of the "Cossacks" and the Russian? laughing Particularly proud of their "historical roots" mummers from the "Central Cossack Army" laughing or St. Petersburg Cossacks laughing
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 8 May 2018 10: 08
      +4
      Quote: Saling
      Is there any difference between the Ukrainian mummers of the "Cossacks" and the Russian? laughing Particularly proud of their "historical roots" mummers from the "Central Cossack Army" laughing or St. Petersburg Cossacks laughing

      ---
      descendants of the Cossacks live in St. Petersburg, as in other cities, too. and what appeals to traditions is their business, to each his own. and that there can be all kinds of people, there are such people everywhere.
      1. Saling
        Saling 8 May 2018 10: 17
        +5
        That's how much I know the true descendants of the Cossacks, including the descendants of the chieftain Platov, none of them participate in such "reconstructions". Maybe later, that they are busy with business and there is no time for any show-off? wink Maybe, for starters, to revive a very good tradition of their ancestors - the ability to work? And what kind of tradition is this, wearing clothes of the last century? wink And if the Cossacks were banned under Ivan the Terrible, did these handsome men in caftans run with sashes? laughing
        1. Imobile
          Imobile 8 May 2018 11: 13
          +3
          As the Cossacks were chymir in the USSR, but still the population had respect for them, especially among the older generation. And now they have arrogated to themselves geeks, leading an immoral lifestyle, reduced this respect to nothing among the people. It is necessary for all Cossacks to get together and work out measures to cleanse themselves of this infection. In addition, it must be understood that their roots are in the south. And in the central and northern parts they should not "with their charter go to a foreign monastery ..." That is, they should behave more than humbly (concerns Chechens, Cossacks, Georgians ...), otherwise they will be hostile to the indigenous people.
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 8 May 2018 14: 28
          +2
          Quote: Saling
          That's how much I know the true descendants of the Cossacks, including the descendants of the chieftain ataman Platov, none of them participate in such "reconstructions".

          ===
          and how many descendants of these Cossacks do you know, 5, 10, 20? and since they don’t participate, then you refuse to do this to others ?! about your charter, someone else’s monastery, to conduct humbly - it's pearls! if the descendants of the Russian archers will revive, begin to create their own societies, and clubs with historical attributes, then can one not be glad that young people will come off computers.
          1. Saling
            Saling 11 May 2018 21: 36
            0
            I know the families of the descendants of the Cossacks more than you could imagine. laughing And these Cossack clubs can only boast of their historical attributes and tales about secret Cossack knowledge. laughing Here is a brief summary of such "historicity":
  11. Sadko88
    Sadko88 8 May 2018 11: 06
    +5
    Quote: Saling
    And what kind of tradition is this, wearing clothes of the last century?

    The form was approved by the President of the Russian Federation by decree 171. The field is similar to VKPO MO RF, those Cossacks who live south prefer the colors of the SKVO spectrum, we, the central Digital Flora of the MO. I doubt that the descendants of Platov dress in ACU or BDU of NATO ... wink And so, in fact, a jacket of a modern field uniform is also a tuned tunic smile As for unemployment among the Cossacks, this phenomenon is extremely rare.
    1. Saling
      Saling 8 May 2018 11: 44
      +6
      Well, with a uniform, it was only Mr. Medvedev who could have figured it out :-) Along with changing time zones. laughing This is still good. that he did not introduce caftans by this decree.
      And what do you violate your decree with your VKPO MO RF? laughing
      And you call it “work”:


      Indeed, the "honorable and respected" work
      1. bk316
        bk316 8 May 2018 17: 32
        +11
        Indeed, the "honorable and respected" work

        And what a good job to clean the face of villains. Although in this case it is not work but rather a social burden. A very useful load seems to be like driving out drunks drinking in playgrounds.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 9 May 2018 11: 11
          +1
          nonsense, my friend, ptshet. Why then do we keep the police? And why is an ordinary citizen who has filled his face with a bully in the park, will be taken to a pound, but there is no Cossack like that?
          1. bk316
            bk316 10 May 2018 11: 57
            +4
            And YOU since the red flag hung yourself read the classics.
            IN AND. Lenin on the difference between maintaining law and order in a socialist state and under capitalism. The bottom line is that maintaining law and order under socialism is a function not only of the police, but of all conscious citizens.
            History has shown that it is not a matter of socialism and capitalism but the development of civilization, new threats to the rule of law (terrorism, color revolutions, cybercrimes) cannot be repelled without the help of the population.
            1. Saling
              Saling 11 May 2018 13: 05
              +1
              wink Oh yes, I can directly see how these disguised clowns are fighting cyber crimes with cybercrime laughing laughing laughing
              Maybe the population should do their work?
              1. Height
                Height 11 May 2018 19: 33
                0
                What, got a whip on a fat ass?
          2. Height
            Height 11 May 2018 19: 54
            0
            Do as in Germany. If a bully sticks to your girlfriend, then step aside and call the police.
            But it’s better to act like in Russia, hit the goat right in the horn, and don’t think about the consequences. This is not a punishment for him, but help. Be sure.

            Strange, but the message turned out to be under the comment of salinga, and noted it for the "Indian".
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  12. Sadko88
    Sadko88 8 May 2018 12: 07
    +8
    Quote: Saling
    And you call it “work”

    This we call our civic position. And we go out to counter people intentionally breaking the law, using children as a human shield to the detriment of their work and free time. The duty of any citizen to protect his country and prevent the involvement of children and adolescents is our future, in the criminal actions of politicians. Aspiring to PR on their sufferings. Endangering children's life and health in opposition-provoked riots
    1. Saling
      Saling 11 May 2018 13: 01
      +2
      Somewhere I already heard it. recourse . Remembered fellow the same pompous words are chanted by members of the Right Sector. The same gundej about civil position and the same style - to attack the weak from behind the police. One to one.
    2. Saling
      Saling 11 May 2018 13: 34
      +1
      It is so patriotic to express “one’s civic position” for money. laughing The act of these "men." lol
      And I do not need to hang shkety on the ears that they did this solely for personal reasons. negative
      1. Height
        Height 11 May 2018 19: 36
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        Yes, and to beat you for money is already a feat!
        1. Saling
          Saling 11 May 2018 21: 42
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          Yes, it’s not a noble thing to beat us, I’m afraid you are swallowing dust boots. And then you don’t have enough money for treatment. laughing This is not to drive shkolotu, hiding cowardly behind the back of the police. laughing
          1. Height
            Height 11 May 2018 21: 53
            0
            Exactly, you still need to catch, right?
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  14. Salomet
    Salomet 8 May 2018 13: 11
    +2
    Horror author ZhZhet !!! And the fact that the Don Cossacks are the ancestors of the Zaporozhye is nothing? The Kuban Cossacks consider the Don Cossacks to be their ancestors, and there are no Zaporozhye Cossacks even though they went from the Don. I got it.
    The Zaporizhzhya Cossacks were otherwise called freemen, Cossacks from the Don moved there with a “cool temper” or who did not want to serve the tsar’s standard. The empire looked at it through fingers because Zaporizhzhya Cossacks was an involuntary bulwark from the Crimean Khanate.
    It was the Don Cossacks who played the largest role in the image of the Cossacks. Making them a formidable force. They did not have diplomatic and state successes, but they played their role as a shield for the southern fertile lands of the Republic of Ingushetia.
    Something reminiscent of the story of the excavation of the Black Sea. hi
  15. Lyutoyar R.
    Lyutoyar R. 8 May 2018 14: 08
    +8
    Quote: Saling
    Well, with a uniform, it was only Mr. Medvedev who could have figured it out :-) Along with changing time zones. laughing This is still good. that he did not introduce caftans by this decree.
    And what do you violate your decree with your VKPO MO RF? laughing
    And you call it “work”:


    Indeed, the "honorable and respected" work

    Beating liberofascists is a necessary and honorable job.
    1. Saling
      Saling 11 May 2018 12: 23
      +1
      Idiots history does not teach anything laughing Well, then let them not whine and tell tales about "illegal" storytelling.
      1. Height
        Height 11 May 2018 19: 40
        0
        Do you share your experience? Then for sure, history does not teach you anything!
  16. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 8 May 2018 17: 37
    +6
    The biggest gap separating the Cossacks from Ukraine is that they did not separate themselves from the Russian people and always identified with it. This is all nonsense of Ukraine
    1. Old warrior
      Old warrior 9 May 2018 07: 57
      +2
      Yes ..?! Ask any Cossack - is he Russian? Their answer will surprise you unpleasantly ...
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 11 May 2018 13: 20
        +3
        I declare as a Cossack - I am RUSSIAN !!!
        1. Height
          Height 11 May 2018 19: 43
          0
          Follow the kids, clean the apartment. It doesn’t matter for the woman to spend time on the forum.
          For a woman, the main thing is family!
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 12 May 2018 01: 18
            +1
            watch your woman! Unless, of course, you have it.
  17. Curious
    Curious 9 May 2018 00: 59
    +2
    In general, a self-respecting resource should not publish such "material", even in the "Opinions" section.
    All visitors to the site with a holiday - Victory Day.
  18. Old warrior
    Old warrior 9 May 2018 07: 55
    0
    What does the Crimean spring have to do with it? Not the Cossacks did it.
  19. Antares
    Antares 9 May 2018 09: 44
    +3
    The keynote of the article is the same as everything in the Russian Federation. There is no Ukraine, the Cossacks are also "taken away". The mound there could not be a "fake" pier. Although the Cossacks repeatedly besieged the same Lviv, and somewhere they buried their dead, albeit not where the "installation" is. Already, the Zaporizhzhya Sich was appropriated for the Russian Federation in the form of its relocation to the Kuban. There was no Black Sea Cossacks and Transdanubia (about which Samsonov recently told us).
    Well, as usual, there is no language, an adverb.
    Quite so-so propaganda article in the spirit of Ukraine is not and was not and should not be.
    And she is! Paradox. And there are also articles about how it doesn’t exist. laughing
    And the more such articles, the more PR Ukraine.
    The feeling of a Ukrainian from such an article only intensified. What did the author do wrong?
    1. Curious
      Curious 9 May 2018 20: 39
      0
      What is it that turns out? So the digging of the Black Sea will be taken away.
      1. Antares
        Antares 9 May 2018 22: 18
        +1
        Quote: Curious
        What is it that turns out? So the digging of the Black Sea will be taken away.

        What are you? Russian superethnos was digging! There were no Ukrainians! Ancient super Russians!
        The Russians also have this chip, all of ours.
        1. Height
          Height 11 May 2018 19: 46
          0
          Have a snack more.
  20. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 9 May 2018 17: 17
    0
    He who, for the sake of something, changes his story or thinks that temporarily for the real good, in order to survive, agrees with the opinions of others, he disappears forever.
  21. Jerk
    Jerk 9 May 2018 20: 12
    +1
    "Make way. Crest! You live on Cossack land, and you don’t want to give way!" Quiet Don
  22. a housewife
    a housewife 11 May 2018 13: 29
    +3
    Something no one mentions about attributed Cossacks! Nonresident called those who came to the village from other parts, but were not accepted into the Cossacks. In the Cossacks took the circle. Personally. And by decree of the king they attributed to the Cossacks. My husband's ancestors came by lot, so settled the foothills. Attributed to the Cossacks, they gave land. So the grandfathers of my husband founded the village of Dakhovskaya. Then they cut through the mountains along the White Road and founded the village of Kamennomostskaya. They cultivated the land, built gardens, guarded the Kuban from raids. Participated in wars. Grandfather died in 1943, and was a cavalryman. He fought for the Kuban, Don, Stalingrad, reached Poland. Are these not Cossacks? And they are all Russian! And those who open their mouths to our Kuban, let them try - they will bury them where they get them! Fascists !!!
    1. Jerk
      Jerk 18 May 2018 10: 28
      +1
      She didn’t fight ... For example, I, with a Cossack family, heard about Zolotov, Platovsky, who arrived on the Borodino field riding on a French general? So we did not die, I am from the whole surname - the first who did not serve. But he fought, and the cross of New Russia nizanafig - not toll
  23. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 11 May 2018 19: 36
    0
    Boys with the first photo very much look like participants in a gay parade !!!
  24. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 11 May 2018 19: 43
    0
    God knows how it is in Ukraine, but here in the Kuban with the advancement of the Cossacks a little too much.
    Do not get me wrong, if we are talking about folk traditions, Orthodoxy, collegiality and other things, then I am only FOR. But here is the deep sacred meaning of transferring all private security companies working with schools to the Cossacks, decisively escaping me. The task of the security guard in case of emergency is to press the panic button and ... that's it. And the presence / absence of a hat cannot help here.
    In general, this topic either ignites or fades. I remember that in the holy \ dashing 90e Cossacks were so active that even one of the heads of the district administration was flogged (and, it seems, even for the cause :)))
    During the Civil War, as the author of the article quite rightly noted, nonresident mainly supported the Soviet power. But the Cossacks ... but the Cossacks, they are in every way. Say, the Sorokin, the linear, and the blackman Kochubey, also fought for the Reds. And, for example, Filimonov and Shcherbin for white.
    The Kuban Council was trying to ally with Skoropadsky. Now it’s hard to say how much this position was supported by ordinary Cossacks (most likely it was not supported at all), but it was like that.
  25. Dormidont
    Dormidont 12 May 2018 21: 15
    0
    There are no Cossacks on the outskirts, only Kozaki remain
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