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Cossack courage

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I was recently surprised. I heard a judgment from a rather competent person: “We have no heroism, it’s pointless. Everything - with checkers on Tanks».

And then the conversation turned to the battle of Kushchevskaya, when in August 1942, the Cossack units stopped the fascist attack on the Caucasus, and in several saber attacks chopped down more than four thousand Nazis. There is no information about our losses, except that they were significant. And it is concluded from this that some mediocre commanders threw Cossacks into a suicide attack. And the senseless attack - she only delayed the onset of the Nazis for only three days. Was it worth destroying the people for this?

At first I, naturally, was indignant. What kind of idiotic conclusions? And then I thought - and what could be more conclusions from the above set of information. What is a man to blame? The fact that he was not told what was really? It is necessary to blame for this pseudo-propagandists, talking about valor, and not talking about the meaning. And I decided to fix this error.

To begin with - I repeat the well-known. From 30 July to 3 August 1942, the 17 fighters of the Kuban Cossack Cavalry Corps fought at the Yeisk defensive line (stanitsa Shkurinskaya, Kanelovskaya, Staroshcherbinovskaya, Kushchevskaya) with superior enemy forces. Several times the Cossack regiments in the equestrian rang went to the saber attacks, destroyed from four to six (figures vary) thousands of Nazis. They covered themselves with glory, but ... then they retreated anyway.

Now - about the situation at the front. Hitler rushed to the south - to the oil of the Kuban and the Caucasus. Selected fascist units, several divisions of mountain riflemen, reinforced by SS regiments, advanced in this direction, and tanks were at the edge of the wedge, tearing the Soviet defenses to shreds. The plain landscape made the defense difficult - the multi-kilometer anti-tank ditches could not cover the whole steppe. The Red Army retreated. And retreating with such speed that there was a danger of falling broken parts in the "boilers". In addition - to the oil fields of the Krasnodar Territory remained about two hundred kilometers. And here in the path of the Nazis stood the Cossacks.

About the Cossacks. 17-th Kuban Cossack cavalry corps was formed from volunteers of non-draft age. And although there were a lot of seventeen-year-old boys in it, the bulk of them were forty to fifty-year-old men, who had passed both German and civil before. These were not wildly suicidal, as you can imagine, looking at the famous canvas, on which the riders with checkers fly to the tanks. They were fired, knowing the price of life and death, the men who were able to weigh the risk, who knew what they were doing. For the most part, they were much more experienced and steadily morally warriors than the twenty-year-old boys, whose retreat they covered. And they knew perfectly well what they were fighting for. Including - and for the retreating boys.

About saber attacks. They were, but not as you can imagine from the movies. The tactics of cavalrymen in the Great Patriotic War differed markedly from the tactics of the times of civilians. Cossacks mostly fought on foot. According to the recollections of eyewitnesses (and I had a chance to talk with several participants of the Kushchevskaya attack) - the main weapons Cossack in the Patriotic was a rifle, and later - automatic. Comfortable in the melee dagger was always on the belt. But the sabers often lay in the train. With a pragmatic Cossacks took them only in the cavalry raids on the enemy rear - the rest of the time there was no use of the sabers. Horses were used more as a vehicle, but not as a “military equipment”. Whenever possible, horseback riding was accomplished. On the horse-drawn carriage rode and guns. Not with sabers, but with the help of cannons, anti-tank guns and tanks attached to the corps of the tank brigade of the Oryol school, was stopped under Kushchevskaya fascist armored vehicles. And only then, when the enemy tanks and self-propelled guns were burning, and the infantry hesitated - there was a saber attack. And in these conditions, she was even less suicidal than a bayonet attack by infantry. Yes - the rider is a more comfortable target than the infantryman. But this is for a trained shooter in a fortified position. And for the newly advancing submachine gun the infantryman is preferable. He runs longer. And in hand to hand with you - on an equal footing. And the horseman ... Kazak Konstantin Nedorubov, who became the full George Knight for the First World War, under Kuschevskaya cut down seventy fascists, for which he received the title Hero of the Soviet Union ...

I have already said that the cavalrymen were experienced men, fired, able to weigh the risks. Horse lava under Kuschevskaya Cossacks attacked not out of dashing heroism, but because it was better that way. They attacked from a beam, because of a railway embankment, from a corn field, in which until then the riders were not visible, but in the sun (so that the enemy would blinded). Thanks to this, the surprise of the attack was achieved. You put yourself in the place of Hitler’s machine gunner. A minute ago there was no one in the field, but you were already being chopped down. Yes, yes - it is chopped. You were taught techniques against strikes with a bayonet or a butt, but not sabers ... By the way, it is important: most of the saber attacks (and then it was not only under Kushchevskaya, but also under Shkurinskaya, and in other parts of the Yeisk defensive line) were counterattacks. That is, the cavalry did not rush on the machine guns, and chopped off the shelter of the enemy on foot. That is, consciously, skillfully and successfully used the few advantages that cavalrymen had over the marines in the field.

It should be understood that this could not continue indefinitely. No matter how competently the Cossacks planned their attacks, no matter how famously they didn’t make rounds, all the tanks decided. The next German tank units came to the battle sites. Our artillery was put down. The Nazis continued the offensive, and the Cossack divisions that had suffered significant losses (there were no attacks without losses) retreated, detaining the enemy for three to four days.

Was the game worth the candle? First, the corps carried out its combat mission - it ensured the withdrawal of regular units of the Red Army in the Tuapse and Mozdok sectors. The retreating troops were reformed, entrenched on new defensive lines and did not let the enemy go where he aspired - to Caucasian oil. (Yes, yes, and you think that only now for the sake of oil is being bombed? Nonsense - it used to be the same). Secondly, the Cossacks gave time to dismantle the equipment of the Kuban oil wells and destroy the wells themselves.

And then it's time to tell another history. In the summer of 1942, Nikolai Baibakov was seconded to Kuban (to whom this name is unfamiliar - google) with Stalin’s personal admonition: “If you leave the enemy at least one ton of oil, we will shoot you, but if you destroy the trades, but the German will not come, then ... we will shoot you too. ”

Baibakov organized the work of the industries so that they practically until the last day gave oil to the front. A method was also developed that allowed us to destroy wells without fail - they were simply poured with concrete. The fascists who came to the Kuban for the six months of the occupation failed to re-launch a single well and extract at least one ton of oil.

Cossack courageOurs, however, after the expulsion of the Germans, also had to drill wells in a new way, but they managed. And in many respects they coped precisely because the equipment was saved, during the retreat not destroyed, but dismantled and removed to the rear. The Cossacks, who had held off the onslaught of the armored units of Nazi Germany for three days in a row, allowed this to happen. This is not an accident and not a coincidence - there are documents that confirm that Budyonny guaranteed Baybakov five days. By the way, Baibakov did not believe in five days (so he began to destroy wells at his own risk and not wait for orders from above), but he asked to hold on for at least three days. Precisely in order to dismantle and remove the equipment crafts.

... So, if you dig a little deeper, for exploits and dashing dedication, economics and calculation are revealed. Someone might be confused. But I, knowing that no war is started without hope of gain, I see no shame in that. After all, then the deprivation of the expected benefits - a victory. The Cossacks, who did not let the Nazis to the Kuban oil, and gave a chance to prevent them from the oil fields of the Caucasus, put the economy of the Reich on a meager ration, forced to choose - to feed the Eastern Front tanks with its Romanian oil, or increase the capacities of defense plants.

So what have we come to? In addition, the cavalry attacks were neither meaningless nor ineffectual. Under Kushchevskaya dedication, courage, prowess and military skill (sounds pathetic, but you can’t tell otherwise) the Cossacks served to rescue the retreating boys, broke the plans of the enemy, and deprived the enemy of the economic support that he desperately needed.

Generations of story tellers blurted the gist, leaving only the outward brilliance of a daring saber attack from the story. Generations of students perverted the meaning, not understanding - why rush to the tanks with checkers. Heroes - the Cossacks, among whom was my great-grandfather, began to look like some unhappy half-wits, ready to die on the orders of idiots.

Shame on you

It’s time to figure out what was happening and thank the men who could stop the tanks and go on the attack to save their sons.

And yet - the Cossack division ended the war in Prague. This is me to the fact that our great-grandfathers knew how to win not only by number, but also by skill.
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  1. patriot2
    patriot2 6 May 2012 09: 04
    +28
    Cossacks in World War II really showed courage and heroism. It is very good that even now the Cossacks have received their legal status for the protection of many important state and Orthodox objects.
    The article is good - because it’s a truth that many still did not know, thinking that Cossacks can only perform in circuses. But no, dear, not so. Cossack units are a formidable and fast force, the support of power. smile
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 6 May 2012 11: 07
      +25
      Good article, I feel that the author is well acquainted with the traditions of the Cossacks. To be honest, I am very annoyed by the "mummers" Cossacks in Moscow, who wear a funny uniform in which nothing is mixed with orders and medals on the chest, which they obviously did not receive, as well as shoulder straps (I do not even know by what principle). You look at such a "hero" and you want to laugh.
      I welcome the revival of the Cossacks in the native Cossack villages, there it is justified
      1. The centurion
        The centurion 7 May 2012 16: 37
        +14
        Quote: Aleksey67
        To be honest, I am very annoyed by the "mummers" Cossacks in Moscow,

        And who is not mummers in Moscow? There the opposition is disguised and amusing, and the jesters and buffoons on television. There are even beggars at train stations mummers. Present Moscow is no longer a heart, but an ulcer of our Motherland, and worms and parasites of all stripes from all over the country are striving there.
      2. Andrew-001
        Andrew-001 11 May 2012 18: 17
        +1
        Aleksey67I beg your pardon, I myself have ancestors from the Don, and so, it was accepted among the Cossacks that the eldest in the family wears all the awards that were received by the ancestors - perhaps now they dress according to the same principle. As for the titles - I talked with a couple of not too "mummers" atamans - they said that the title was assigned corresponding to the one that a person received in our Armed Forces.
        And about the form - here yes, and laughter, and tears.
    2. Ross
      Ross 6 May 2012 11: 50
      +17
      And how the Cossacks showed themselves in the First World War! Under the command of Denikin, the Cossack plastuns terrified the enemies. With such experience and history, it is necessary to seriously develop the Cossack tradition.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 6 May 2012 11: 57
        +10
        On Odnoklassniki, the group is Cossack Songs, the group has not only songs, there are many interesting topics about the Cossacks.
      2. max73
        max73 6 May 2012 12: 25
        +3
        A.I. Denikin commanded the 4th Infantry (Iron) Brigade, subsequently deployed to the division. this connection had no relation to the Cossack troops
    3. KamikadZzzE
      KamikadZzzE 7 May 2012 11: 47
      +6
      GIVE ME 20000 COSSACKS AND I WILL CONQUER THE WHOLE WORLD
      Napoleon said it
    4. oper66
      oper66 7 May 2012 13: 42
      +6
      My grandfather told me that during the attacks on the tanks there were such (from beams to the flanks)
      they burned the tanks with bottles of cocktail; when a bullet hits a bottle, a burning torch jumped — it was a terrible sight. It’s a pity that the feats of the Cossacks are forgotten and some are trying to say negatively and write about the Cossacks
  2. basal
    basal 6 May 2012 09: 17
    +15
    Thanks to the author! Indeed, the war changed many pre-war ideas about strategy and tactics, and the cavalry troops learned to fight in the conditions of a maneuvering motorized war. Such fighting qualities of cavalry as high speed of movement, low noise and stealth of movement, minimum requirements for terrain and the possibility of actions in isolation from the supply were very useful. As far as I remember the number of cavs. divisions in the Red Army in 1945 was more than in 1941.
    My grandfather, senior lieutenant of the Red Army, chief of staff of the cavalry battalion, died in 1942. near Rzhev.
    Blessed memory of the fallen!
    Happy Victory Day!
    1. max73
      max73 6 May 2012 12: 36
      +6
      the number of cavalry divisions by 1945 in the Soviet Army was much less than in 1941-1942. Read the resource "Combat actions of the Soviet Army" - everything is clearly spelled out there. I can also give an example from myself: my grandfather was a private of the 57th Cavalry Regiment of the 46th Cavalry Division, formed in t.ch. from the Orenburg Cossacks fought in the 11th Cavalry Corps of the Sokolov Peninsula. few left the encirclement north of Vyazma in July 1942 ... so much so that 4 divisions of corps 3 were disbanded, and the personnel were transferred to the 24th cavalry division, which, by the way, was also later disbanded
      1. max73
        max73 6 May 2012 12: 54
        +8
        nothing personal against the author of the article, and even more so the Cossacks who fought in the Red Army, against the Nazis, Romanians, Hungarians and others ... but you need to write based on facts. for example, Lieutenant K. Nedorubov for fights including and under the village of Kushchevskaya he was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of War, but he was awarded the title of GSS in October 1943 already as part of the 5th Don Guards Guards ... the courage of the personnel of the 17th Kuban Cavalry Corps is not in doubt! but why the author did not say anything (neither good nor bad) about the corps commander, Major General Kirichenko, and yet the figure is ambiguous
    2. max73
      max73 6 May 2012 16: 04
      +4
      and finally. wasn’t in the cavalry during the Second World War and even before the battalions ... dig the story of your grandfather a little deeper. I think, agree
      1. basal
        basal 6 May 2012 21: 37
        +10
        Oh, the demon beguiled. Of course, he was the chief of staff of the equestrian artillery battalion 200 kav. shelf. Died May 25.05.1942, XNUMX Information from the archive of the Ministry of Defense, more precisely, cannot be. Thanks for the amendment.

        I take this opportunity to argue my position on the role of cavalry in that war. At the beginning of the war in the Red Army, there were 13 cav. divisions, by the end of the war - 7 cavalry corps, more than 20 divisions. So I'm partially right. But I can not disagree with opponents. After the outbreak of the war, more than 30 cavalry divisions were formed during the mobilization, but many of them were defeated, or even completely destroyed in 1941-42. The cavalry units were reorganized in 1943.

        In each of the three divisions of the corps there were 3 cavalry regiments, a tank regiment, an artillery and mortar regiment, an anti-aircraft battalion (12,7 mm DShK machine guns), reconnaissance squadron, communications squadron, combat engineer squadron, rear and other units. The number of personnel of the division was approximately 6000 people, the total number of personnel of the corps - 21 people, it had 000 horses. Thus, the cavalry corps in the new full-time organization turned into units of horse-drawn mechanized troops capable of quick operational maneuver and a powerful strike against the enemy.

        Along with this, the number of cavalry was reduced by about half compared with the previous two years and as of May 1, 1943 amounted to 26 cavalry divisions (238 968 personnel and 222 816 horses).
  3. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 6 May 2012 09: 19
    +8
    Great article. A worthy example of courage and heroism for youth.
  4. warrior
    warrior 6 May 2012 09: 48
    +7
    I liked the article. We often forget that cavalry fought in almost all armies in WWII. Just do not tell stories about the fact that saber attacks can surprise someone in the 40s. In all the charters of the armies of the world of the 30s there are detailed indications of fights with cavalry, including the repulsing of saber attacks. Bulgarian cavalry in the fall of 1944 carried out night raids against the Germans in a semi - planar area in Macedonia, Northern Greece and Eastern Serbia. Sabers at that time were not stored. They are usually hung on the saddle at the left knee, so as not to interfere with dismounting. Reciprocal attacks, as the author correctly noted, took place as an exception.
  5. 8 company
    8 company 6 May 2012 10: 56
    0
    Honestly, it is hard to believe in the effectiveness of saber attacks, which supposedly led to such a massive felling of the Nazis, which the author describes. The author should indicate the sources of information if he is serious about writing his articles. As far as I know, cavalry formations were formed during the war solely because of their high mobility on rough terrain. It was convenient to let them break through the battered German rear.
    1. smile
      smile 6 May 2012 15: 52
      +14
      8 company
      You are right about mobility, and not only on rugged, but also on snowy, soaked. By the way, the Germans, who entered the war with us with just two cavalry divisions, faced with our cavalry, began to convulsively form new ones.
      But the author speaks about the exclusivity of such cases.
      Grandfather (he was an artilleryman) told. that shortly before the fall of Odessa, the Cossack Kuban cavalry division on horseback ran into the Romanian cavalry division. Romanians spread across the steppe. But he did not talk more about massive equestrian attacks.
      1. smile
        smile 6 May 2012 17: 32
        +5
        I made a reservation in my above comment - "the fall of Odessa" - in the sense of the liberation of Odessa from the Nazis.
        And it turned out, as in a joke:
        - Grandpa, and you helped the soldiers
        -aga
        - but as
        - brought shells to them
        what did they tell you
        - Danke Sean Malshik!
  6. Svetoyar
    Svetoyar 6 May 2012 11: 01
    +9
    The Cossacks, despite the fact that the Bolsheviks almost completely eradicated it, will always be a model of military courage, valor and courage.
    Glory to Russia!
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 7 May 2012 00: 03
      -1
      dear expert! before riveting on the Bolsheviks, study the materiel. the Cossacks themselves began to leave the Cossacks even before October 1917 - the process was called self-telling. there were many reasons. Someone is tired of being an executioner and holding a lord - chopping and flogging workers, their wives and children - a small honor. and someone wanted to give up the service, simultaneously preserving all the benefits and preferences. but it was the Bolsheviks who took the Cossacks seriously because of the ataman Krasnov. if not in the know, Krasnov and his Cossacks decided that they were such a new ethnos in the south of Russia, after which they began the massacre of the local Russian and Ukrainian population, who refused to be called the "Cossack people." in particular, in this Cossack massacre, my father and two brothers of my grandmother, a Kuban Cossack woman, were killed. despite the fact that her father and brothers heroically fought in WWI, and after the revolution, Krasnov and his bandits were sent to the foot erotic.

      and in general, if you do not mind cracking a template, I recommend (paying close attention to the dates):

      On August 6, 1917, at a meeting of the Terek Troop Circle of the 3rd convocation, the officer of the 3rd Gorsko-Mozdok Regiment, Ostapenko, set out the demand of the service Cossacks for universal and complete reprisal. The Army Circle categorically refused to satisfy these requirements and decided to send delegates to persuade the regiment against rattling.

      However, the attempt of the Army Circle was unsuccessful. Moreover, the Troops government was forced to make radical concessions to the rank-and-file Cossacks, and on September 12, 1917, at its meeting, with the participation of representatives from the Separate Cossack Executive Committees, adopted a resolution according to which: a / Cossacks cannot be sent to pacify internal uprisings; b / Cossack units will serve only within the Terek region.

      Demanding requirements were heard in other Troops. So, according to V.P. Danilov, in the Don, front-line Cossacks demanded a transition to serving military duties on a common basis, and a number of Cossack villages decided to make their own talk.

      The tale-out process, initiated by the rank and file of the Cossacks, despite the objection of the Terek Army Circle, received wide support in the villages and military units. This support was in the form of self-talk and open disobedience to the Troops. The Cossacks of the eight villages of the Sunzhensky department were the first to distrust Voivsky Ataman. On October 25, 1917, at a meeting of the military section of the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, they declared that they did not recognize the current Army Circle and the Army Government as their ideological leader, and that they considered it necessary to re-elect the Army Circle, and then work together with the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, from which the Cossack tops artificially separate them, that the remaining sixty villages of the Terek Army will follow these eight villages.

      Subsequent events showed that in the Terek Cossack Army, indeed, an hostile and even hostile attitude of ordinary Cossacks towards their superiors took shape. So, on December 13, 1917, when the soldiers of the Ufa team at the Prokhladnaya station repaired the massacre of Voiskov Ataman M.A. Karaulov, then not a single Cossack of the village of Prokhladnoy rushed to defend his chieftain. And during the funeral of M.A. Karaulov, the official press reported, there were a lot of representatives from different nationalities, there were only Cossacks, except for deputies of the Circle.

      Omelchenko I.L. "Decorating the Terek Cossacks", Daryal, 1998.
      1. Goga
        Goga 7 May 2012 12: 17
        +6
        Zynaps - It is well known who considered the Cossacks to be "executioners and derzhimordami" - this is often the Zionist militants from the Cossacks, for which they seized power, under the leadership of Leiba Davidovich Bronstein, they massacred the Cossacks (what is now modestly called "decossackization"). What Bolsheviks are you trying to justify? The "revolutionary romantic" Trotsky? It won't work, there are no fools here. fool
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 7 May 2012 16: 32
          -3
          son, you would teach your dad not to produce alternatively gifted children.

          Present documents, or wave your tongue - do not toss the bags.
          1. Goga
            Goga 7 May 2012 16: 41
            +5
            Zynaps - Goldfinch, look at the splash screen - who do you call "son"? "Cossack" - the Jerusalem army. I would have looked at you in the face, even to today's Cossacks I said that their ancestors were "executioners and derzhimordy" - and here howl, of course, brave ... fool
            1. Zynaps
              Zynaps 7 May 2012 17: 21
              -4
              and what should your screen saver tell me, Mr. Nazi?

              you would look ... so you look. especially in your own language. furiously minus - what a kindergarten ...
            2. Vadim555
              Vadim555 7 May 2012 17: 35
              +2
              Quote: Zynaps
              Zynaps (3) Today, 16:32 new -1
              son, you would teach your dad not to produce alternatively gifted children.


              Zynaps -You are wrong, no need to be rude.

              Hi, hi.
              In the post above, there was a duality (like-glory to von Panwitz), here Zynaps and bit the bit.

              Zynaps (3) Today, 00:25 -2
              including glory to the Cossack corps of the SS von Pannwitz?

              But the fact that Trotsky and the Jews wanted, among other things, to destroy the Cossacks, is no secret.

              Guys!!! We are on the same side.

              Our enemy is common and treacherous.
              1. Zynaps
                Zynaps 7 May 2012 17: 42
                -3
                Quote: Vadim555
                But the fact that Trotsky and the Jews wanted, among other things, to destroy the Cossacks, is no secret.


                Trotsky is out of business here. Trotsky at that time was busy creating the Red Army and the Cossacks were on his drum, right up to the rebellion of officers on the Don.

                I highly recommend reading Omelchenko’s book on gossip and self-gossip. I brought an excerpt. documentary book. it was written by a descendant of the Cossacks and the material in it is given without political coloring. described injustices committed on both sides. but the Cossacks in that situation became self-destructive even before October 1917.
                1. Vadim555
                  Vadim555 7 May 2012 17: 59
                  +5
                  Quote: Zynaps
                  Trotsky is out of business here. Trotsky at that time was busy creating the Red Army and the Cossacks were on his drum, right up to the rebellion of officers on the Don.


                  Do not be mistaken about the Jews and Trotsky.
                  There were a lot of things in our history, but there were a lot more good ones.
                  This is where we have to come from, if people love the Motherland and are ready to defend it, then I don’t care what Cossacks they belong to - I am with them.

                  No need to dig up what separates us, our enemies will take care of this themselves
        2. LTL70
          LTL70 10 May 2012 09: 32
          +1
          Goga, you are mistaken - this is where they are!
      2. Alone
        Alone 8 May 2012 00: 55
        0
        I support you wholeheartedly, and for people who are not friends with history (true, not propaganda), you should not waste time.
  7. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 6 May 2012 11: 37
    +10
    The cavalry in general in the Great Patriotic War proved to be excellent Raiders of the Dovator and the underestimated contribution of the Belov corps in 1941 near Kashira, when without corps and almost without tanks his corps drove to the west superior forces of Guderian 2 weeks before the general offensive, were on the verge possible, and his raid on the rear in 1942 was separately studied at the Academy of the General Staff. The mobility of the cavalry, the ability to move around in the woods without roads, and high stealth during the dominance of enemy aircraft were invaluable! And they fought on foot with rare exceptions, using horses for fast movement. By the way, the Germans appreciated the capabilities of the cavalry in the hostilities in our country and during the war increased the number of their horse divisions from 2 to 8. Well, ours covered themselves with unfading glory and became guards! Eternal glory to the Heroes!
  8. Rodver
    Rodver 6 May 2012 12: 06
    +7
    Cossacks - the glory and pride of Russia!
  9. evolus
    evolus 6 May 2012 12: 30
    +6
    ------ And I decided to fix this error.
    And changed. Although what was done to the Cossacks in civilian life, it is surprising that someone remained for history. But there were frontal cavalry attacks on tanks and motorized infantry along the fronts. and commanders (perhaps compelled) And not trained volunteers at the forefront. But reality quickly put everything and everyone in their place. Cossacks, Reliance of the Russian state, yes they were but they had lands, treasury, government. But today they only want support from the Cossacks. Which need to be revived economically. All with Victory Day!
  10. aquatic
    aquatic 6 May 2012 13: 05
    +2
    On the side of the Wehrmacht there were also Cossack regiments, and quite a lot.

    "The Cossack units of the Wehrmacht were the most persistent and suffered significant losses in February 1943 in the battles near Bataysk, Novocherkassk, Rostov-on-Don and Taganrog" Smirnov A. A. Cossack atamans. - SPb., 2002.

    glory and pride of Russia - Russian soldier!)
    1. max73
      max73 6 May 2012 13: 22
      +6
      yes, there were ... and not parts of the Cossacks were .... but! The same Konstantin Nedorubov, after serving in the Volgolag, why didn’t he side with the enemy, but, on the contrary, gathered a squadron of volunteers !? because, not for Lenin-Stalin, but for their homeland. that’s all ... and also the Cossacks Shkuro, Semenov, Krasnov ... apparently, they had other interests ... life put everything in its place, don't you find it? and the fact that the survivors are hiding behind memoirs, let ... this is a matter of conscience ... or its absence
      1. aquatic
        aquatic 6 May 2012 13: 29
        +3
        I completely agree) I’m talking about this, the glory and pride of Russia - a soldier defending, defending Russia) Homeland - Russian soldier.
      2. Zynaps
        Zynaps 7 May 2012 00: 22
        -5
        so maybe it is that Konstantin Nedorubov served time for the case and understood this, in contrast to a rather significant part of "those who were imprisoned for nothing", and therefore, after serving his sentence, "we will not be educated on the side of cultured Germans"
        1. The centurion
          The centurion 7 May 2012 16: 59
          +5
          He seems to have served time for wearing crosses before the war. After the war, too, wore, but no longer touched.
          1. Zynaps
            Zynaps 7 May 2012 17: 24
            -4
            they were not punished for wearing crosses. or proof.

            most likely he had sins in the Civil.
            1. guessed
              guessed 7 May 2012 20: 39
              +4
              My great-grandfather wore crosses and being the chairman of the collective farm wore on holidays.
              But he was not sent to Kolyma ... the local party committee didn’t like that during the harvest he didn’t let his collective farmers build the road to Ostrogozhsk ... Add in words - What am I, your mother, will I feed them with chopsticks in winter?
              However, this did not prevent his son and my grandfather from going to the front at the age of 15. Together with the retreating parts of the spacecraft, go from Voronezh to Stalingrad, there become a machine gunner, and then a sniper.
              So the crosses were worn and sat ... Everything was ... And for Stalin for the Motherland blood was shed ... Such are the Cossacks.
      3. The centurion
        The centurion 7 May 2012 16: 54
        +5
        The Don Cossack hundred from the village of Berezovskaya under the command of the 52-year-old Cossack, the full St. George cavalier, senior lieutenant K. I. Nedorubov in the battle near Kushchevskaya on 2 on August 1942 of the year, in hand-to-hand combat destroyed over the 200 Wehrmacht soldiers, of which 70 was personally destroyed I. Nedorubov, who received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. Until the end of his life, the unbending warrior openly and proudly wore Soviet orders and St. George's crosses.
    2. The centurion
      The centurion 7 May 2012 17: 08
      +6
      In November 1942, the German cavalry colonel von Panwitz was instructed to form a cavalry corps of Kuban and Terek Cossacks to protect the communications of the German army and fight against partisans. The corps was mainly formed of captured Red Army soldiers from camps located in the Kuban. In April 1943, Mr. Panwitz was able to create a division of two brigades, which was called the "Cossack". In September 1943, in view of the numerous cases of the transfer of Cossacks from German units to the side of the Red Army or partisans, the German command decided to remove the Cossacks from the Soviet-German front and transfer them to other theaters of war.
  11. Georg Shep
    Georg Shep 6 May 2012 13: 46
    +8
    Glory to the Russian Cossacks, who always fought for Russia and the Russian people, as against external ones. and against the internal enemies of our country!
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 7 May 2012 00: 25
      -6
      including glory to the Cossack corps of the SS von Pannwitz? or the glory of those Sordomords that they killed the wives of the insurgent workers, and the executioners, who, for a dispute, cut off captured Red Army soldiers from their shoulders?

      Chota you, whitewaters, with the head is clearly not all right ...
      1. Rodver
        Rodver 7 May 2012 10: 21
        +6
        Rather, you communists and liberals, not only with a head, but also with memory, is bad. It is not surprising, because for such types dear and sacred concepts such as national Russian patriotism since 1917 have been replaced by "universal human internationalism." And the memory of the ancestors who died for Russia and its Russian people in the fight against the international Bolshevik plague is sacred!
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 7 May 2012 17: 18
          -2
          Belotelet, you do not spoil the air and do not shake in vain. as Gleb Zhegov told the pickpocket to the Brick, you’ll even dust your teeth - I’ll pooh on them.

          how are you, white calves, with the factual material? except for the pig's screeching and shouts of "glory to something there!" you won't get anything sensible.

          with my memory I will be better than yours and with sacred concepts. personally, I wouldn’t have the mind and spirit to praise the organizers of this:

          “... I had to experience the most terrible sensations of Denikin’s people. I will never forget how in Rostov I rushed between the hanged. I remember the first of them stumbled upon the corner of B. Sadovaya and B. Prospect. At first I didn’t even figure out what the matter was; I see a small bunch surrounded and stands next to a man leaning against a tree. This man seemed to me unusually tall. I went up, and his legs on a half-arshin did not reach the ground, and he didn’t hold on them, but on a rope tied to a bitch ... I jumped aside, jumped into the tram and drove to the station where I was going . Oh God! And then the gallows: a woman hanged. ...

          Throughout the city and the suburbs - for fear of approaching enemies - that day, people were hanged by the authorities, and we had to live and walk among them until the bishop asked us to save us from this torment. For the sake of the feast of the Nativity of Christ, the inhabitants of Rostov were given an amnesty, and the corpses were removed ... I would not write about it if this case were unique in its kind. But public executions - in the order of white terror - were also practiced in other places ... And the massacre in the cities recaptured from the Bolsheviks, at least, for example, in Maykop!
          Y. Eichenwald "Don Quixote on Russian soil." M., 1996.P. 141 - 142 cit. by G. Pomerantz, A. Zubov “Correspondence from two quarters”

          okay, Maykop. there, according to your Belotel concepts, not people live. but what about - to give for three days to the stream and plunder the Russian city of Oryol, occupied by Denikins? and not only the Eagle. and not only Denikin.
      2. NUT
        NUT 7 May 2012 14: 43
        +5
        Quote: Zynaps
        including glory to the Cossack corps of the SS von Pannwitz? or glory to those Mordovians that the wives of the rebellious workers were stolen to death, and to the executioners, who, for a dispute, cut off captured Red Army soldiers from their shoulders

        -And what would Zynaps do when calling themselves "Red Guards", homeless people, drunks, thieves, murderers, lazy people, loafers and others, familiar to him (lying drunk under the store or rummaging in garbage containers) deprives a rag-tag, destroys everything holy (if you have one), what is in your life - Faith, Tsar, Fatherland?
        -What would Zynaps do if the "walruses" with whom we do not drink, created from garbage, the gangster red army breaks into your house, takes everything with your own sweat, calluses, honestly, hard earned, earned, it is not stolen from yours drives out at home?
        -What would Zynaps do if your land, cattle, wife, sister, daughters are declared common, i.e. the property of the great revolution?
        -What would Zynaps do if those are Red Army men, its like ...,
        (here I can't find the right word because the most humiliating are "slave" and "cattle" but the owners still somehow kept cattle and slaves, fed, treated)
        forced to work for them, and those who refused simply killed and among the dead were his brothers, friends, sons?

        -Or still got the Zynaps promised to him:
        LAND - TO PEASANTS!
        FACTORIES - WORKERS!
        PEACE - PEOPLE!
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 7 May 2012 16: 45
          -2
          Quote: NUT
          What would Zynaps do if your land, cattle, wife, sister, daughters are declared common, i.e. the property of the great revolution?


          poke you in the face of this fake, or you yourself are able to find where this good legs grow from?

          Quote: NUT
          What would Zynaps do if those Red Army men, its like ...,


          what would I do if ... - this is from the category "grandmother would have a scrotum." it is clearly visible to whom this topic is very dear.

          Quote: NUT
          when calling themselves "Red Guards", homeless people, drunks, thieves, murderers, lazy people, loafers and others, familiar to his face (lying drunk under the store or rummaging in garbage containers) deprives a rag-tag, destroys all the most sacred (if you have such available), what is in your life - Faith, Tsar, Fatherland?


          if you're talking about your great-grandfather like that, then I don't mind. someone picked it up from the garbage dump, laundered it and even allowed to produce heirs bruised all over his head ...

          Quote: NUT
          Or still got the Zynaps promised to him:


          Dude with one nut, don’t get personal and nobody will touch you. I personally received a lot of things. both of my grandfathers came from poor peasant families. grannies, however, too. one grandfather in the family (with the king)
          Of all the children, two survived. with another - only he is one. after the Revolution, both grandfathers received first secondary education, and before the war - and higher education. one grandfather, after being seriously wounded in the battles for Koenigsberg, became the director of the bank in the Leningrad region. another grandfather, after being wounded near Sevastopol, was evacuated and worked in a responsible job - he was responsible for the special importance of the trains with tanks going to the front from Nizhny Tagil. these were the first educated people in my family.

          so that all three promises the workers received. and suffering for the drocher’s people for an undeveloped fist, policemen and Vlasovites do not bother me much.
          1. Georg Shep
            Georg Shep 7 May 2012 19: 51
            +2
            Yes, you are just a communist maniac who does not remember kinship. Everyone who considers himself a Russian person will never forget and forgive the anti-Russian Bolshevik-Marxist criminal clique, all the atrocities and violence that she committed with Russia and her people
            But to you and your brainwashed brains, in Russian speaking, p ... in the eye, all God's dew.
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 7 May 2012 22: 21
            -2
            That's right, Zynaps, hold 5! Now, wherever you spit, everyone has taken away the farm, then the ground, then the mill. Those who had nothing, and they will remember that they were even "requisitioned". But nothing could have happened Look, they floated up ... Well, it's fashionable now, Mikhalkov and others like him gave him a message. But when it was profitable, they wrote in the questionnaires "I was not," "I was not," "I had no relatives." given by the Soviet power, it was forgotten, And the fact that the ancestors once lost a long time ago is so still oh, how insulting ...
            1. Rodver
              Rodver 7 May 2012 22: 34
              +2
              Georg, I am on your side, as well as on the side of our all-Russian memory of our ancestors tortured by the Bolshevik foreign degenerates. And the Cossacks eternal glory for their struggle with the communist beast!
              1. Alexei
                Alexei 7 May 2012 23: 10
                +1
                The communist beast is much nicer than the capitalist one (which cannot have a human face.). Che, is it beautiful? Everything can be done for money. Are you glad about this? Are you glad that the capital is distributed equally, to put it mildly, and soon Russia will have a private sector with service staff?
                1. Rodver
                  Rodver 7 May 2012 23: 45
                  0
                  And who told you about the capitalist monster? For a national patriot, capitalism and communism are two hands of one beast. The forms are different, the essence is the same: anti-nationalism, Russophobia, internationalization and cosmopolitanism. For our Motherland, this "bouquet" is already where! ..
                  1. Alexei
                    Alexei 8 May 2012 00: 04
                    +1
                    This beast is called "control". Better for the idea.
          3. NUT
            NUT 8 May 2012 07: 05
            +3
            Quote: Zynaps
            they sway me a little.

            Yes, along the way with such ardent ..., not that drinking, even communicating is cumbersome and absolutely useless to such ... to remind how many "Sikorskys" and "Stolypins" these ardent ... shot and how many "Sharikovs" and " The Shvonders "were appointed brilliant reds (not to be confused with Soviet) scientists, ministers, military leaders ...
  12. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 6 May 2012 14: 48
    +9
    Many thanks to the author for this material and the analysis carried out in it. I read it with enormous interest. And naturally, I put "+". smile
    But ...

    I cannot but point out some inaccuracies that I met in the story ...
    "The Germans were torn to the Kuban and the Caucasus"... Kuban (both as a river and as a historical region) is geographically located in the North Caucasus ...
    "Left sabers in the train "... The Red Army was armed with checkers, but not sabers. These are completely different types of long-bladed edged weapons ... However, the term itself"saber strike"safely survived the saber itself and existed much later ...
    Well, "automatic" instead of "submachine gun" is more than forgivable, because in the 1940s. we both of these terms were what they say interchangeably ... smile
    And finally, the image (picture, picture, art) in the title. Not only is it clearly inconsistent with the time of the narrative, it still does not apply to Russia at all ... However, this can be understood by taking a closer look ...
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 6 May 2012 15: 55
      +3
      Regarding the Polish flag, is it likely that these are registered Cossacks who served the Polish king for money?
      By the way, in 1939, the Poles really tried to chop our tanks with sabers. They said before the attack that they were from plywood ...
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 6 May 2012 18: 03
        +2
        And not only ours, but also German ones. This is very well described by Valentin Pikul in the novel "Barbarossa" ...
        And as for the registered Cossacks, such an idea also flashed ...
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 6 May 2012 19: 31
          +4
          By the way, the Poles had exactly sabers ...
        2. Zynaps
          Zynaps 7 May 2012 00: 27
          +5
          Quote: Chicot 1
          And not only ours, but also German.


          dude, this is a myth. was a staged movie by Goebbels.

          Quote: Chicot 1
          This is very well described by Valentin Pikul in the novel "Barbarossa" ...


          and this is Pikul’s most idiotic novel when he already began to slide into UG and insanity. at Pikul and Beria, he flew into secret negotiations with the Germans during the war, and other fat. straight brain reunism.

          and in general, to cite as an example of historical events it’s slowing down, and still not the best ...
          1. Eugene
            Eugene 8 May 2012 00: 19
            +1
            The myth of the attack on the tanks, + you.

            The EMNIP described this action as follows: the Polish cavalry suddenly attacked immediately (which was then a rarity already, the horse armies attacked on foot mainly) resting German infantry, and then tanks suddenly appeared and the cavalry had to hurry back ...
    2. The centurion
      The centurion 7 May 2012 17: 24
      +3
      Quote: Chicot 1
      And finally, the image (picture, picture, art) in the title. Not only is it clearly inconsistent with the time of the narrative, it still does not apply to Russia at all ... However, this can be understood by taking a closer look ...

      Yes, it's true. This is a picture of the famous Polish artist who has written many paintings from the life of the Dnieper Cossacks. This picture shows the registry Cossacks of the crown hetman.
  13. Num lock U.A.
    Num lock U.A. 6 May 2012 15: 01
    +5
    Article plus, to the author - thanks

    Generations of storytellers blabbed the gist, leaving only the outward brilliance of a daring saber attack from history. Generations of listeners perverted the meaning, not understanding - why rush into tanks with drafts.


    bold plus

    It's time to figure out what was going on


    agree
  14. panzer
    panzer 6 May 2012 17: 30
    +8
    As you can judge, from the easy chair of those who, not only stood up and went to beat the enemy, but also folded their heads! People! Where are we going!
  15. Napoleon I
    Napoleon I 6 May 2012 19: 05
    +5
    I am proud that the Cossacks, who appeared in Ukraine, so defended our lands from the Germans. angry It is a pity that the Cossacks are now not popular among young people.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 6 May 2012 19: 40
      +2
      Quote: Napoleon I
      It is a pity that the Cossacks are now not popular among young people.
      Nothing can be done, the Cossacks were a class, and they liquidated it, too, as a class. And those "Cossacks" whom we see now are a parody, reenactors. They reward themselves with non-existent orders, assign themselves non-existent titles of "ataman generals" of the Cossack troops ... By God, it's funny. And it's ridiculous. Cossacks are a thing of the past forever, leaving us with a rich cultural heritage.
      Quote: Napoleon I
      I am proud that the Cossacks, who appeared in Ukraine, so defended our lands from the Germans.

      PS By the way, the article refers to the Don, Russian Cossacks. They defended our Motherland from the Nazis. And the Ukrainian Cossacks destroyed during the reign of Catherine II. True, there was also the Transdanubian Sich, but those Ukrainian Cossacks served the Turkish Sultan. So there’s nothing to be proud of. Historical unlucky.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 6 May 2012 22: 01
        +3
        The article says not about the Don Cossacks, but about the Kuban. The very same Kuban, which is a direct descendant and essentially the heir to the Cossacks of Zaporizhzhya ...
        Such are the things, uv. revnagan. And you, do not be judgmental, minus ...
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 7 May 2012 12: 07
          +1
          Quote: Chicot 1
          And you, do not be judgmental, minus ...
          Come on, Kuban, so Kuban. Only the relationship between them and the Zaporozhye Cossacks is the same as between the Oryol and Arabian horses. Yes, the heirs, but already "a completely different calico". How many new things. In fact, a completely different formation. Well, for minus -.... will not rust after me.
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 8 May 2012 10: 06
            0
            And this heredity is not enough for you? .. But, and "a completely different calico" is the consequences of a completely different from the original, Zaporozhye situation. I mean what the Cossacks faced when they moved to the Kuban. Naturally, having adapted to their new place of residence, they changed their way of life in accordance with it. However, from this they did not at all cease to be the descendants of the Zaporozhye Cossacks ... wink
            And you are all about horses, but about horses ... I understand that any comparison is lame a priori, but ... Yours is lame on both legs. And if you take the horse theme raised by you, then for all four ... laughing
            And about the minuses, put on health! drinks By this, you simply show your complete incompetence in the history of the Cossacks in general. And the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks in particular ... bully
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 8 May 2012 19: 37
              -1
              Quote: Chicot 1
              descendants of the Cossacks Zaporozhye ..
              Exactly, DESCENDANTS, not Zaporozhye, and, moreover, UKRAINIAN. These were ALL OTHER COSSACKS, ANYTHING BY THE 20TH CENTURY TO UKRAINE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING. books "Dauria" and "Quiet Don".
              1. Chicot 1
                Chicot 1 8 May 2012 20: 54
                +1
                Yes, the Kuban are descendants of the Cossacks. But did I say something completely different, uv. revnagan? .. wink
                And as for the division, they are not the same or some other Cossacks, then I’ll tell you such a thing- Cossack — he is everywhere, first of all, Cossack, and only then Donchak, Kuban, Terets and other, other, other ... However, hardly you can understand it ... IMHO

                Why, "Dauria" and "Quiet Don" are good books, I don't argue. But it is still advisable to teach history not from works of art ... bully
      2. Napoleon I
        Napoleon I 6 May 2012 22: 18
        0
        I meant the Cossacks as a whole. Proud that the Cossacks also flourished in Ukraine, having such brave and brave warriors. I think their spirit did not run out with time (until the Second World War), not like now. No.
      3. Napoleon I
        Napoleon I 6 May 2012 22: 21
        +1
        PS By the way, the article refers to the Don, Russian Cossacks. They defended our Motherland from the Nazis. And the Ukrainian Cossacks destroyed during the reign of Catherine II. True, there was also the Transdanubian Sich, but those Ukrainian Cossacks served the Turkish Sultan. So there’s nothing to be proud of. Historical unlucky.


        I meant the Cossacks as a whole. Proud that the Cossacks also flourished in Ukraine, having such brave and brave warriors. I think their spirit did not run out with time (until the Second World War), not like now.
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 7 May 2012 00: 34
          -5
          and what functions can the Cossacks carry today? What the hell is it for?
          in the presence of "vovans", militia, riot police and a regular army? or to get a whip on the ass from a mummer is a great honor?

          as a folk element - let them exist as long as they like - they thump their vodka, chop the vine and perform a military hopak under the clicks of cameras of foreign tourists.
          1. guessed
            guessed 7 May 2012 20: 49
            +2
            If the Cossacks do business, rather than hanging on their tsatsk, they will be able to deploy very useful activities ...
  16. Alex-rus
    Alex-rus 6 May 2012 21: 07
    +3
    Thanks to the author. Great article.
  17. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 6 May 2012 23: 42
    +4
    The author is a big plus. Need more good and truthful articles about our ancestors. And on the mummers — ashamed — while we ourselves look where — we are silent and quietly whispering, and to speak out against everyone is too lazy or just reluctant.
    1. The centurion
      The centurion 7 May 2012 17: 49
      +4
      By the way, not all are mummers. there are also combat ones.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 8 May 2012 10: 11
        +1
        As far as I understand, this is Yugoslavia? ... Could you clarify what year it is, where exactly you took this picture, and do you know anything about those who are not depicted in it. Thanks in advance. smile
  18. lotus04
    lotus04 7 May 2012 10: 25
    +4
    ANY KAZAKI !!! GLORY TO RUSSIA!!!
  19. Tersky
    Tersky 7 May 2012 11: 50
    +13
    Quote: Zynaps
    and what functions can the Cossacks carry today? Why do you need it? in the presence of "vovans", militia, riot police and a regular army? or to get a whip on the ass from a mummer is a great honor? as a folklore element - let it exist as long as you like - they thump their vodka, chop the vine and perform a combat hopak to the clicks of the cameras of foreign tourists.

    I have one question for you, do you have a son? If so, what could he do at five? At eight, ten ,? For example, at five they easily controlled a horse, at ten they knocked out 30 from a carbine with three shots, at twelve they hunted independently, and never came without prey .. And yours? I agree, the mummers of the "Cossacks" have grown immeasurably, but there is no point in judging the Cossacks by these clowns. The role of the Cossacks is primarily in the upbringing of the younger generation in their traditions, where there is no place for drugs, where respect for elders, where the basics of military affairs begin to be taught with sliders, where the Motherland is not just a word, this is the role of the Cossacks. What kind of hell is it needed, Here is at least for this:In 1996. from Terek and Kuban Cossacks, a separate motorized rifle battalion was formed 694, the unofficial name of them. A.P. Ermolova. A significant part of the personnel was made up of Cossacks who went through military operations in Transnistria, Abkhazia, Karabakh, and S. Ossetia. During the fighting in Chechnya, the battalion fought under the village of Chervlenoy, Grozny, Achkhoy-Martan, Katyr-Yurt, Old Achkhoy, Orekhovo, Shali, Vedeno, Benoy. At the end of the first Chechen war, the regiment was disbanded. During the fighting, 27 Cossacks from the battalion were killed, 262 was wounded and shell-shocked. 98 Cossacks were awarded government awards (25 posthumously). Cossack battalion numbering 800 people. was formed at the beginning of 1996. on the basis of the Ministry of Defense. Three months later, the battalion, which lost about 300 soldiers wounded and killed, was disbanded. 93 people were presented to government awards, 27 of them posthumously.

    Ermolov's battalion is actually a conventional name. He passed through the states as the 694th battalion of the 135th motorized rifle brigade of the 58th Army of the North Caucasus Military District. It was formed from the Cossacks, so we gave it our name of the Yermolovsky battalion. The battalion was formed by order of General Kvashnin - at that time he was the commander of the North Caucasus Military District - immediately after the events in Dagestan and Pervomaiskiy. This unit was born to inevitably die after completing the task. It did not in any way fit into the framework of the general military regulations and contradicted all the traditional ideas about "indestructible and legendary." The Cossack battalion named after General Ermolov, in fact, was an experimental unit of mercenaries. However, this definition is also not typical for him, like many others, Monetary incentives for Yermolovtsy played a trifling role in comparison with the main idea of ​​the revival of the Cossacks as a real force in the North Caucasus.
    So "battle hapak", dear Zynaps, you dance to the clicking of cameras ....
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 7 May 2012 12: 11
      0
      Quote: Tersky
      I have one question for you, do you have a son? If so, what could he do at five? At eight, ten ,? For example, mine at five already easily managed a horse, at ten they shot 30 from three shots, shot at twelve on their own, and never came without prey .. And yours?
      But let him live in the city, look at what he will drive and what kind of loot he will bring home. And where will he get 30 shots from a carbine with three shots? In the neighboring glasses? You need to understand what you are comparing with. The conditions are different initially.
    2. Zynaps
      Zynaps 7 May 2012 17: 02
      -2
      Quote: Tersky
      I have one question for you, do you have a son? If so, what could he do at five? At eight, ten ,? For example, mine at five already easily managed a horse, at ten they shot 30 from three shotguns, hunted at twelve on their own, and never came without prey ..


      I answer. I’ve been a children’s friend for a long time and I’m soon to be a grandfather. I have two sons. at five years old they read me fluently, famously added and subtracted two-digit numbers, and even a little balak in English. how were these things in the royal villages? for me, the opportunity to get an education and high-quality children's medical care is much more valuable than felling, dzhigitovki or shooting from a carbine.

      Quote: Tersky
      So "battle hapak", dear Zynaps, you dance to the clicking of cameras ....


      it is you who obviously confused me with someone. I am a direct-flow technocrat by nature, not a folkloric character.

      yes, by the way. the Greeks used to have Spartans (or Macedonians) - very strong guys. fought in the phalanx so that the enemy was terrified. but does this mean that modern Greeks must educate hoplites, cull children, dumping the weak in the abyss, continue the work of the phalanx and put lovers in the ranks next to each protecting the other with a shield and sword?

      the Cossacks have outlived their usefulness as an anachronism. therefore, it is "reborn" only as a farce of mummers. if the Cossacks, as before, were settled in the Caucasus, so that they had weapons, equipment and a horse with an infantry fighting vehicle in the stable, and at the first call would get up to kill Dudayev's slave traders or the visiting lads of Academician Kadyrov - this could have been thought about. but this is precisely what is not. and what is, including the "Cossack" units, is simply secondary sexual characteristics, don't you understand why. there is no point in that. it's like in the army of the Queen of Great Britain there are indigenous parts of the Gurkha and other Papuans, which exist by inertia, traditionally.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 May 2012 17: 14
        -2
        Zynaps !!
        it’s hard not to agree with you in this case !!
        plus!
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 8 May 2012 10: 56
          +1
          Well, of course, as you, uv. Yarbay, but not agree with the statements of at least uv. Zynaps... I understand that they are very nice to you, and have found a response from you and others like you ... And everything would have been sewn-covered, but there is one big "BUT" ...
          Chop on your nose that no one will ever ask your opinion about the modern Cossacks ... What experts on your history you have already shown in the previous comments ... So here you can write anything. Anyway, no one takes your writings seriously ... And the caravan goes regardless of your remarks, dear you are our friends on the site ... laughing
          Your health and long life to you and your loved ones! drinks
      2. Alexander 1958
        Alexander 1958 7 May 2012 22: 51
        +4
        For Zunaps!
        With pleasure I put Tersky +
        Arguing with Tersky you, it seems to me, "threw out the water together with the child." In Tersky's post, it is more important not only that his children know how to shoot and ride horses, although this is good, but that love for the Motherland, the desire and ability to defend it, is instilled in them from childhood. And the fact that One battalion fought in Chechnya is also significant. I think that Odin not because there were no volunteers, but rather because the authorities were afraid to lose control over the situation, give everyone a weapon in their hands. As if after Grozny did not go to Moscow. You went there about the Gurkhas and other Papuans ... I think the British are not the stupidest rulers, and history confirms this, retaining highly professional and personally loyal troops. Think of the Swiss guards who saved the Pope. Of the 300 people, several dozen survived, but they did their duty. The same 300 Spartans. For some reason, you remember them only because they were tough guys, and most importantly, they were strong in spirit and were not afraid to get involved in a hopeless battle and defeated the Persians even after dying. By the way, about the lovers nearby ... This refers to Macedonian / Athenian -theban war. Returning to our time in the days of the Zaporizhzhya Sich. It was there that people gathered who did not accept the conciliatory policy of that elite to pollinate and catholicize Ukraine. and this gave hope to all of Ukraine. Now, and in this I agree with you, our Cossacks, i.e. Ukrainian is only a props coupled with looting on the roads. They discredit the very idea of ​​the Cossacks. I think it's not for nothing that they are feeding from the state - our leaders want to control them - that's why they feed them.
        I can be glad for your children, their successes in mathematics and languages, but besides this, in my opinion it is important that they understand that we consider the opportunity and the right to speak their own language and live as we think is right - all this will need to be protected and this is not so It is important where the enemy comes from, from the outside or inside the country.
    3. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 8 May 2012 10: 14
      +2
      Respected Tersky, many thanks to you for writing about the Ermrl battalion ...
  20. Tersky
    Tersky 7 May 2012 12: 16
    +6
    Quote: revnagan
    After all, the conditions are different initially.

    Mine was also born in the city, but my parents and I are stanitsa myself, far from 110 km., But every weekend we came to the village. It’s not a matter of conditions, it is a desire ...
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 7 May 2012 12: 25
      +2
      Quote: Tersky
      It’s not a matter of conditions, it is a desire ...
      Remember the good toast: “Let's drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities”? You have the same, and thank God! But this is not the case for everyone, not for everyone. But what can you prove ....
  21. Napoleon I
    Napoleon I 7 May 2012 14: 42
    +2
    Remember the good toast: “Let's drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities”? You have the same, and thank God! But this is not the case for everyone, not for everyone. But what can you prove ....


    Let’s go on the other side. Do you even feel pride in your ancestors?
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 7 May 2012 22: 30
      +1
      Quote: Napoleon I
      Let’s go on the other side. Do you even feel pride in your ancestors?
      I feel ashamed for contemporaries. What about the Ukrainian Cossacks ... as a child V. Malyk read "Ambassador of Urus-Shaitan", "Silk lace", "Arkan winds". Yes, and many others of this kind. Yes, for those heroes-Cossacks -proud. But among them there are Russians, and a Pole, and a Turk, and a Bulgarin. The Ukrainian Cossacks are a combined hodgepodge, not by the national sign, but by idea and worldview. There were real free people.
  22. Tersky
    Tersky 7 May 2012 20: 41
    +5
    Quote: Zynaps
    I answer. I’ve been a children’s friend for a long time and I’m soon to be a grandfather. I have two sons. at five years old they read me fluently, famously added and subtracted two-digit numbers, and even a little balak in English. how were these things in the royal villages? for me, the opportunity to get an education and high-quality children's medical care is much more valuable than felling, dzhigitovki or shooting from a carbine.

    I am already twice a grandfather, both of my sons have a higher education, and the eldest with two, in their years they also fluently adjusted and read, read and wrote, speak English. So in the "royal" children are growing up as well-developed as elsewhere. There is only one thing but, your children and grandchildren, God forbid, of course, in an extreme situation it will be ten times more difficult and difficult. This is where "horse riding", felling of vines, etc. will affect. The Cossacks as an estate have not been outlived, and will not outlive themselves, it is not for you to predict because you are far from it like God for a mortal. And do not shift from a sore head to a healthy one, I repeat to you again, do not confuse the "mummers" with the Cossacks. At the expense of folklore, it was not me who started pouring mud on my estate - you. So think ahead before mending your "court" about the Cossacks. And lastly, the Cossacks are always united, both in trouble and in joy, which is not given to you. As for weapons, equipment, etc., the Cossacks themselves equipped and armed themselves, so this illiterate attack will be blamed on your ordinary ignorance of the history of the Cossacks. And I feel purple about who and what the English court and the history of ancient Greece have, but I just continue the traditions of my ancestors. And this will be so as long as at least one man from my family lives on this earth.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 7 May 2012 22: 35
      -1
      Quote: Tersky
      pouring mud on my estate
      Well, firstly, there have been no estates since 1917. And do you think that flogging workers with lashes, chopping students with sabers of student demonstrations, the war against the Russian non-Cossacks is a lie casting a shadow on the pre-revolutionary Cossacks?
      Quote: Tersky
      As for weapons, equipment, etc., the Cossacks themselves equipped and armed themselves
      The Cossacks themselves bought a horse and a saber, but they received a rifle from the sovereign.
  23. Cadet787
    Cadet787 7 May 2012 20: 47
    -2
    Dear forum users. I heartily congratulate you on the new president of Russia. Health and strength to him in this post, to the glory of the Fatherland.
  24. Sargon
    Sargon 7 May 2012 21: 48
    +2
    Solidarity with Tersky. If there is such a remarkable phenomenon as "Cossacks" in the history of Russia, then it is necessary to extract all possible dividends from it. This is the upbringing of children in the spirit of patriotism, basic military skills, and finally moral fortitude. The Cossacks have a glorious history and they are an integral part of Russian history, it is a sin to lose such preferences, especially if there are still people who can breathe new life into the phenomenon of the Cossacks. All the state needs to do is support a little, for example, grant the right to carry military weapons, I am sure that the weapons registered with the Cossack will not be used in unseemly deeds. This is a huge potential for the development of our society, curbing crime and training a high-quality conscript contingent!
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 7 May 2012 22: 40
      -1
      Right, again some will be equal more than others
      Quote: Sargon
      it’s a sin to lose such preferences,
      Again, some will be allowed something, and others will be "nizz". What's interesting, the Cossacks will pay for it? And how non-Cossacks, "second-rate little people" will look at it?
  25. Tersky
    Tersky 7 May 2012 23: 55
    +2
    Quote: revnagan
    The Cossacks themselves bought a horse and a saber, but they received a rifle from the sovereign.

    Registered Cossack, yes, they didn’t get a registered Cossack all.
  26. patriot2
    patriot2 7 May 2012 23: 57
    -4
    To all those fighting for the truth, I congratulate you on the assumption of the post of President of Russia V.V. Putin, who in one of his first decrees congratulates veterans, participants of the Second World War on Victory Day and pays everyone 5000 rubles each. In general, it is immediately clear that GDP is a person who understands the needs of veterans and the wise President of Russia. smile
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 8 May 2012 00: 24
      +1
      This is a man at his inauguration holiday who decided to make the people love him.