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Words, unworthy of the US President. In Paris, demanded an apology from Trump

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Donald Trump should apologize for his inaccurate statements about the 13 November 2015 attacks in Paris, reports TASS statement by Minister of Economy of France Bruno Le Mayor.




On Friday, the President of the United States, speaking before the participants in the annual conference of the National Rifle Association, said that the strict control over circulation in France weapons "Deprived ordinary residents of the possibility of self-defense in conditions of increased terrorist threat." Citing the example of the Paris attacks 2015 of the year, Trump suggested that "if the workers or customers had a weapon then ... the terrorists would have fled or were shot, and it would have been completely different история».

I find these statements outrageous and I think that they are unworthy of the president of the first power in the world, a state that is an ally and friend of France. I want the president of the United States to take his words back and express his regret
said the minister.

He stressed that France should "work with Donald Trump, with the president of the United States."

To work is to be able to speak to the president of the United States with all the directness that we think
declared Mayor.

The largest terrorist attacks in Paris and its suburbs occurred on November 13, 2015. Almost simultaneously, the militants carried out several attacks: explosions near the Stade de France stadium in Saint-Denis, the shooting of visitors to several restaurants, and the massacre in the Bataclan concert hall. In total, 130 people were killed then, even more 350 were injured.
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  1. cniza
    cniza 6 May 2018 18: 10
    +8
    He stressed that France should "work with Donald Trump, with the president of the United States."


    So you will work in the USA.
    1. dorz
      dorz 6 May 2018 18: 10
      +17
      Donald Trump must apologize

      Trump runs and stumbles. laughing
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 6 May 2018 18: 14
        +6
        He now communicates through a lawyer. Through him and apologize!
        1. Hire
          Hire 6 May 2018 18: 24
          +32
          As I did not read it, I did not see anything offensive in Trump's words. Apparently, the translation is inaccurate. Could this Gallic minister be so excited from scratch?
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 6 May 2018 20: 37
            +2
            Quote: Hire

            As I did not read it, I did not see anything offensive in Trump's words

            it's like?
            Trump suggested that "if the workers or clients had weapons then ... then the terrorists would run away or be shot dead, and that would be a completely different story."

            they don’t go to work with machine guns. unreasonable such
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 7 May 2018 01: 03
              +1
              And you have to go everywhere with a gun. Like in Harlem. angry
          2. Sergey-8848
            Sergey-8848 6 May 2018 21: 04
            +10
            The minister simply, just in case (as if nothing had happened) decided to take offense for homosexuals and the African French majority, who did not understand either Trump in English or the minister in French.
          3. SHURUM -BURUM
            SHURUM -BURUM 7 May 2018 06: 34
            +1
            It’s just that Trump was trying to explain to the tolerant what would happen - it would be even worse, like, like they do in Brooklyn. But he did not believe and was offended. It will be strange if Trump apologizes.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 6 May 2018 18: 46
          +3
          Alexander hi Well, the French need to contact Trump through the lawyer Giuliano .. But you never know what. The letter will be put there wrong.
          Quote: Anarchist
          He now communicates through a lawyer. Through him and apologize!
          1. asv363
            asv363 7 May 2018 01: 51
            +2
            Dmitry, a lawyer from memory, is a person of non-traditional sexual orientation. Just a little, well, in general, it’s clear.

            Well, the French need to contact Trump through the lawyer Giuliano .. But you never know what. The letter will be put there wrong.
      2. Proxima
        Proxima 6 May 2018 18: 27
        +9
        That's how it turns out you need to fight crime and terrorism, you need to distribute weapons to the population without exception. fellow Well, an old lady of God’s dandelion is coming, a gopnik comes up, and instead of a purse with a pension, she takes out a browning. belay The beauty! All problems resolved! And we will eradicate terrorism in the bud drinks The brilliant thoughts of the brilliant president good
        1. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 6 May 2018 18: 38
          +13
          Xs what do you dislike ... indescribes, but I don’t know your girlfriend or spouse I would like to have at least PM when they feel her for the soft in the dark passage?

          Better let them condemn 12 than they will bear 6 ...
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 6 May 2018 18: 51
            +9
            Quote: Alex_Rarog
            Xs what do you dislike ... indescribes, but I don’t know your girlfriend or spouse I would like to have at least PM when they feel her for the soft in the dark passage?

            Better let them condemn 12 than they will bear 6 ...

            The boots should be made by the shoemaker, and the cakes should be made by the cakesman. Everyone should be professionally engaged in their own business, including law enforcement agencies and special services. Do you understand what you are writing about? Your damsel will still get her macaron out of her purse, looking for it among cosmetic bags and all kinds of junk, I'm afraid to say what can happen to her during this time. hi
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 6 May 2018 20: 04
              +10
              You can learn everything, there’s nothing complicated about it.
            2. mac789
              mac789 7 May 2018 01: 19
              +1
              Law enforcement agencies should be professionally engaged ... Oh ... But what they do not do that? Huh? What do they professionally do? Letters of happiness send out.? Maybe you tell them strictly? The darkest one was pointing ... It didn’t help ...
              1. your1970
                your1970 7 May 2018 09: 47
                0
                Quote: mac789
                Law enforcement agencies should be professionally engaged ... Oh ... But what they do not do that? Huh? What do they professionally do? Letters of happiness send out.? Maybe you tell them strictly? The darkest one was pointing ... It didn’t help ...
                - are you regularly beaten on the street / they are stabbed / shot at you / raped / thrown out of the car? or all the same - no?
                If not, then this is just QUALITY the work of law enforcement is ..
                1. mac789
                  mac789 7 May 2018 16: 29
                  0
                  Well what can I say ... I have a block of bullet stuck in the spine. What do you think ... Who covered the lumps?
            3. strannik1985
              strannik1985 7 May 2018 04: 45
              +1
              So urgently need to ban fire extinguishers and first aid kits. After all, “the shoemaker should make the boots ....” And also prohibit the sale of tools and spare parts for cars to private individuals, let only professionals deal with repairs.
              But if a seriously-hypothetical girl can be given head over heels in a dark porch, or they can be driven up with insults, threats and coercion, so that she will have time to get a gun about ten times.
          2. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 6 May 2018 21: 06
            +12
            Quote: Alex_Rarog
            Xs what do you dislike ... indescribes, but I don’t know your girlfriend or spouse I would like to have at least PM when they feel her for the soft in the dark passage?

            Better let them condemn 12 than they will bear 6 ...

            Well, if an unarmed girl a priori had more chances to stay alive than to die when meeting with a bandyugan, then a supposedly armed girl would have very few such chances, because first there will be a brick on the head or a knife in the side, and only then check the wallet and the presence of Nagan.
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 6 May 2018 22: 48
              +7
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              Well, if an unarmed girl a priori had more chances to stay alive than to die when meeting with a bandyugan, then a supposedly armed girl would have very few such chances, because first there will be a brick on the head or a knife in the side, and only then check the wallet and the presence of Nagan.

              It is also worth adding that the girl’s trunk will be in the hands of a bandit with all the ensuing consequences. Therefore, the lowest crime rate is precisely in those countries where the most stringent legislation regarding the carrying of firearms by civilians, for example, Singapore.
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 7 May 2018 04: 49
                0
                Yes? And in England and Australia, after the prohibition of NGOs, the crime rate has not decreased, perhaps because these countries are slightly larger than the island-city-state of Singapore?
                But in Switzerland, one of the most militarized countries in the world, the crime rate is very low.
                Maybe he (level) does not at all depend on the presence of legal (i.e., shot for a bullet-proof gun) firearms?
              2. Razvedka_Boem
                Razvedka_Boem 7 May 2018 04: 54
                0
                Therefore, the lowest crime rate is precisely in those countries where the most stringent legislation regarding the carrying of firearms by civilians, for example, Singapore.

                So there is no corruption, i.e. the law is the same for everyone and no one will "smear off". That is why both locals and tourists feel safe there, and not because
                most stringent civilian firearm legislation
                1. your1970
                  your1970 7 May 2018 09: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Razvedka_Boem
                  Therefore, the lowest crime rate is precisely in those countries where the most stringent legislation regarding the carrying of firearms by civilians, for example, Singapore.
                  So there is no corruption, i.e. the law is the same for everyone and no one will "smear off". That is why both locals and tourists feel safe there, and not because
                  nothing the largest number of police officers per capita in the world?? If you count by the population - then only in Moscow alone should there be about 350 police
                  If for every 60 meters of the street there is 1 policeman, crime is, to put it mildly, difficult to work in Singapore
                  1. Razvedka_Boem
                    Razvedka_Boem 7 May 2018 10: 49
                    0
                    but nothing that there is the largest number of policemen in the world per capita?

                    In the first place Belarus. And Russia has already overtaken Singapore.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 7 May 2018 11: 31
                      0
                      Belarus really overtook Singapore ...
                      But the Russian Federation with our 508s against 753 Singaporeans is far from even Singapore. About the area (Moscow is 6 times the area) and the number I wrote
                      1. Razvedka_Boem
                        Razvedka_Boem 7 May 2018 11: 59
                        0
                        But the Russian Federation with our 508s against 753 Singaporeans is far from even Singapore. About the area (Moscow is 6 times the area) and the number I wrote

                        Nevertheless, I believe the number of police does not play a decisive role. Indeed, otherwise, it turns out that in Russia it is necessary to increase the number of police by one and a half times (relative to Singapore) and everything will be fine ..)
                        Agree, it's naive ..)
                        If I am not mistaken, the maximum number of police (MIA) in Russia has been set at about 900 thousand people. If we round the population of Russia to 150 million, for the convenience of counting, we get 600 police officers per 100 thousand of the population.
                        Moreover, Singapore has a very high population density, in fact there is no empty land, unlike Russia.
                        Singapore lives on tourism and investment, naturally they are making serious security efforts.
                        Rigid legislation on weapons was associated with the fight against triads that were simply pulverized.
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 7 May 2018 13: 31
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        Nevertheless, I believe the number of police does not play a decisive role. Indeed, otherwise, it turns out that in Russia it is necessary to increase the number of police by one and a half times (relative to Singapore) and everything will be fine ..)
                        - that is, a policeman on every 60 meters of the street - doesn’t matter?
                        I saw this in Moscow in the 80s - the quietest provincial town repeat , in which everyone went to bed at 9 pm, was ....... And the cops stood at the crossroads of nothing more ...

                        Z.Y. Singapore is the most politicized - per capita / area and more or less decent size (well, the Vatican / Pitcairn doesn’t take it) the state in the world.
              3. passerby
                passerby 7 May 2018 05: 01
                +1
                The bandits have their trunks. But those who want to approach a girl in a dark alley with all sorts of nonsense, knowing that in response you can easily get a bullet, as if it would be reduced.
            2. passerby
              passerby 7 May 2018 05: 09
              0
              Rather, those who wish to approach such a girl will be much less bandits.
              1. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 7 May 2018 10: 32
                +3
                Quote: passerby
                Rather, those who wish to approach such a girl will be much less bandits.

                Quite the contrary - where is it easier for a decent bandit to get a "clean" trunk? Buy in the market? Or take a cute girl in a dark alley?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 7 May 2018 10: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Captain Pushkin
                  Or take a cute girl in a dark alley?

                  ... and borrow. For use - return.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 6 May 2018 20: 19
          +3
          Quote: Proxima
          That's how it turns out you need to fight crime and terrorism, you need to distribute weapons to the population without exception. fellow Well, an old lady of God’s dandelion is coming, a gopnik comes up, and instead of a purse with a pension, she takes out a browning. belay The beauty! All problems resolved! And we will eradicate terrorism in the bud drinks The brilliant thoughts of the brilliant president good

          Then the grandmother will die in captivity. Exceeding self-defense and ......... you have a ticket to the bunk. recourse
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 6 May 2018 21: 08
            +3
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Quote: Proxima
            That's how it turns out you need to fight crime and terrorism, you need to distribute weapons to the population without exception. fellow Well, an old lady of God’s dandelion is coming, a gopnik comes up, and instead of a purse with a pension, she takes out a browning. belay The beauty! All problems resolved! And we will eradicate terrorism in the bud drinks The brilliant thoughts of the brilliant president good

            Then the grandmother will die in captivity. Exceeding self-defense and ......... you have a ticket to the bunk. recourse

            This is if she has time to get a gun from her purse and jerk the shutter ... Rather, she will die on the spot or in the hospital from a head injury
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 7 May 2018 04: 52
              +1
              That's right, let him teach karate or boxing, buy a shocker or spray can, in extreme cases substitute the front end or give a purse, maybe they will regret it.
              Logic otpad-still does not have time (you might think the shocker or spray can in this respect is somewhat different), why should she?
            2. passerby
              passerby 7 May 2018 05: 04
              0
              Rather, she will die of old age, because knowing about the possibility of getting a bullet to her, hardly anyone will approach with all sorts of nonsense.
              1. your1970
                your1970 7 May 2018 09: 52
                +2
                Quote: passerby
                Rather, she will die of old age, because knowing about the possibility of getting a bullet to her, hardly anyone will approach with all sorts of nonsense.
                for a free trunk? behind crowbar deaf grandmother?
                1. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 7 May 2018 10: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  Quote: passerby
                  Rather, she will die of old age, because knowing about the possibility of getting a bullet to her, hardly anyone will approach with all sorts of nonsense.
                  for a free trunk? behind crowbar deaf grandmother?

                  In Soviet times, for the sake of the trunk of the patrol policemen finished for one or two. And so an old woman or a girl, generally trifling matter.
          2. passerby
            passerby 7 May 2018 05: 07
            0
            If free sale and carrying of weapons is allowed, it would be logical to assume that the legislation in the field of self-defense will be changed. In this regard, I like American. Climbed into someone else's house - be prepared to get a bullet in your belly without talking. Threw himself at a man with fists - be ready to run into a bullet in the forehead.
            1. your1970
              your1970 7 May 2018 10: 08
              +2
              Quote: bystander
              In this regard, I like American. Climbed into someone else's house - be prepared to get a bullet in your belly without talking. Threw himself at a man with fists - be ready to run into a bullet in the forehead.
              - yeah, blundered against the traffic cops, got a bullet in the forehead for disobedience ... right away ... they won't be fools either - like their colleagues in the States ....
              And it will be especially cool - that in the case of EXCEEDINGS self-defense and jury found you guilty - you will be convicted of intentional (!!!) murder
      3. Kostyar
        Kostyar 6 May 2018 20: 25
        +2
        Rub off the amphibians ....
        When did this scarecrow apologize to someone ?!
        1. Slovak
          Slovak 6 May 2018 21: 34
          +1
          Quote: Bone
          Rub off the amphibians ....
          When did this scarecrow apologize to someone ?!

          Macron will rub some kind of place on Trump and everything will be all right, Donya will understand and forgive
    2. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 6 May 2018 18: 35
      +10
      Damn, I would never have thought that I would agree with Trump word for word !!! Liberasty will not bring to good, as well as tolerasty)
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 6 May 2018 20: 05
        +1
        Here, I completely agree.
    3. Basil50
      Basil50 6 May 2018 19: 23
      +7
      How anxious the French are to their victims. AND?
      And they completely forgot how they destroyed the natives of Africa, or more recently, missiles in Syria. And in Yugoslavia? In general, chauvinism in its purest form. Even Trump is trying to bring to his understanding of the rules of memory. At the same time, a magazine is published there that wanted to spit on decency and compassion and on anything and the same * victims * about ..... in hot pursuit.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 6 May 2018 21: 10
        +4
        Quote: Vasily50
        How anxious the French are to their victims. AND?
        And they completely forgot how they destroyed the natives of Africa, or more recently, missiles in Syria. And in Yugoslavia? In general, chauvinism in its purest form. Even Trump is trying to bring to his understanding of the rules of memory. At the same time, a magazine is published there that wanted to spit on decency and compassion and on anything and the same * victims * about ..... in hot pursuit.

        With Africans and Yugoslavs, Trump got to the point one hundred percent - if they had to hell with all kinds of weapons, who the hell would climb on them with their bombing.
    4. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 7 May 2018 00: 09
      +1
      And what relation can be to vassals or to own colonies? Europe has already lost its independence a long time ago, let’s recall the Mistral, the French rebelled like they decided to sell us ships, but from overseas they indicated their place to the French. It’s not worth talking about Germany, it’s enough that Washington is asserting for the post of chancellor after the election.
  2. Opera
    Opera 6 May 2018 18: 10
    +10
    Very brave Frenchman! And he probably doesn’t have dandruff.
    1. HAM
      HAM 6 May 2018 18: 23
      +2
      Steeper than boiled eggs: Mikron is cooler than Putin, and this voice raises even by the very wow !!!
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 May 2018 18: 28
        +2
        Quote: HAM
        Mikron is cooler than Putin

        Still, according to him, it turns out that it was worth sending the separation of his soldiers and by tomorrow the IS had already given up ....
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 6 May 2018 21: 01
        +3
        Micron, thanks, neighing !! NanoMicron.
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 6 May 2018 21: 16
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      Very brave Frenchman! And he probably doesn’t have dandruff.

      Trump no matter this Frenchman has dandruff today or not. He thinks globally. Wham out of something, and no head off. And dandruff will never be.
  3. Abram
    Abram 6 May 2018 18: 14
    +2
    I’m not sure why he should apologize. Trump lied and the minister knows for sure that the terrorists would not be shot by citizens? What is this belief based on?
    1. spech
      spech 6 May 2018 18: 41
      +3
      How many executions in S_Sh_P helped to prevent the short barrel?
      1. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 6 May 2018 18: 47
        +14
        You don’t know when ... I would prefer to have a barrel on a krgd belt next to Noah, they will start shooting at people ... and God forbid my loved ones ... and you, like lambs, are still beeping that beggarly and dangerous .. let’s forbid them to ban dofig people are killed ... free people have the right to carry weapons ... and only the SLAB is afraid of it suddenly the owner will punish! I'm not a slave! I have what I am. Sorry not a short barrel ...
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 19: 07
          +10
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          I'm not a slave! I have what I am

          Walk with a hammer on the street, or what?
          Look, doctors can look at it, um, askance ...
        2. starpom
          starpom 6 May 2018 19: 38
          +5
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          and only the SLAVE is afraid of him suddenly the owner will punish!

          Just the opposite. The owner is afraid to arm the slaves. Because stupid. See how many reckless trauma applications.
        3. 11 black
          11 black 6 May 2018 19: 41
          +2
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          You don’t know when ... I would prefer to have a barrel on a krgd belt next to Noah, they will start shooting at people ... and God forbid my loved ones ... and you, like lambs, are still beeping that beggarly and dangerous .. let’s forbid them to ban dofig people are killed ... free people have the right to carry weapons ... and only the SLAB is afraid of it suddenly the owner will punish! I'm not a slave! I have what I am. Sorry not a short barrel ...

          The fact is that in this scenario, any of your opponents will also be at least with a short barrel. And if any toadstool can buy a gun, it definitely won’t get better from this.
          Typically, decent civilians, most often, do not know how to shoot well, but the whole gopota will arm itself to the teeth as one - that's for sure. And the sense of your short-barrels - if any gangster in each hand has the same thing?
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 7 May 2018 04: 56
            0
            Logically, a decent citizen is not able to learn how to use firearms, unlike criminals, so you can’t sell them to them.
            And all the criminals who are kamikaze, in response to the demonstration, warning and shot in the air will certainly open fire in response.
        4. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 6 May 2018 21: 19
          +3
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          You don’t know when ... I would prefer to have a barrel on a krgd belt next to Noah, they will start shooting at people ... and God forbid my loved ones ... and you, like lambs, are still beeping that beggarly and dangerous .. let’s forbid them to ban dofig people are killed ... free people have the right to carry weapons ... and only the SLAB is afraid of it suddenly the owner will punish! I'm not a slave! I have what I am. Sorry not a short barrel ...

          Injury allowed. And what, many whom he defended? Rather, on the contrary, all sorts of scumbags let him go without any special reason.
        5. bk316
          bk316 6 May 2018 21: 19
          +13
          free man has the right to carry arms

          A free, mentally healthy and responsible person has the right to bear arms.
          There are 4 spelling errors in your 12 line post.
          Either you are not able to master the first-class program, or if you are drunk, both of them raise doubts about your right to possess something more powerful than a hammer. Well, and so I certainly am for the right to own a firearm and have been actively using it, for about 15 years.
      2. Abram
        Abram 6 May 2018 19: 19
        +6
        "Every year, about 2,5 million Americans use weapons for self-defense, and in 8% of cases this results in the death or injury of a criminal. Citizens kill twice as many criminals as the police (and the percentage of injuries or deaths of random people is five times lower than that of police officers ) "data from Wikipedia.
        1. 11 black
          11 black 6 May 2018 19: 44
          +5
          Quote: Abram
          "Every year, about 2,5 million Americans use weapons for self-defense, and in 8% of cases this results in the death or injury of a criminal. Citizens kill twice as many criminals as the police (and the percentage of injuries or deaths of random people is five times lower than that of police officers ) "data from Wikipedia.

          And how many civilians kill civilians? Las Vegas for some reason recalled - there at one time the killer crossed out all the statistics of pedivics ...
        2. your1970
          your1970 7 May 2018 10: 19
          +2
          Quote: Abram
          "Every year, about 2,5 million Americans use weapons for self-defense, and in 8% of cases, this ends with the death or injury of the offender. Citizens kill twice as many criminals than the police (and the percentage of injuries or deaths of random people is five times lower than that of the police) "data from Wikipedia.
          - this quote completely cuts off all the arguments of KSOhnikov - it turns out that 200 000 (!!!!!) killings or injuries ANYONE (!!!) don't stop
          And in terms of quantity, this is a war actually, and the level is not lower than Finnish
      3. Weyland
        Weyland 6 May 2018 21: 00
        +5
        Quote: spech
        How many executions in S_Sh_P helped to prevent the short barrel?

        And where were the executions mostly? In schools - precisely because children have no weapons! And somewhere in the restaurant to try to arrange a massacre, as in France - figs, it’s stupid!
        1. dauria
          dauria 7 May 2018 03: 00
          +2
          In schools - precisely because children have no weapons!


          It's just that they put deuces in schools - that's the grudge .. But in general, amateurs of "pounding" are tired. Go to the army and sleep in an embrace with a trunk. And it’s even easier to say - if the penis is short, then you can’t lengthen it with any gun. Offended by life, infection ..
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 7 May 2018 05: 08
            +1
            That's right, if a person does not see the fundamental difference between KNO from a smoothbore gun or rifled carbine, wants an additional chance when meeting street criminals, an amateur athlete, then this is a man who is offended by life with a short genital organ. Yeah! Killing logic on the march!
  4. sabakina
    sabakina 6 May 2018 18: 19
    +9
    All! Right now it will start! Those who FOR short-haired, and those who VS! I personally FOR! Why? Let be US will be killed (1/30), but THOSE will understand that THEY the same mortals! I said everything!
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 6 May 2018 18: 48
      +5
      #dog
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 6 May 2018 19: 07
        +2
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        All! Right now it will start!

        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        #dog

        1. Do not have time to get the cowboys! tongue
        2.How will you shoot in the crowd? belay
        I do not mind, but not for having free access to weapons, at the moment it is better to have weapons by permission .... hi
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 6 May 2018 19: 23
          +3
          Knight, it will be something like this ... No wonder California was ours ...
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 6 May 2018 20: 27
            +1
            Ours was a small piece of California, no exaggeration.
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 6 May 2018 21: 02
              +1
              Quote: Sergej1972
              a little piece of California

              but it was there that the gold rush began
          2. Aleks2048
            Aleks2048 6 May 2018 20: 43
            +7
            Before resolving the issue of the possibility of free circulation of weapons, it is necessary to resolve the issue of self-defense, with the limits of the use of harm when detaining a person who committed an unlawful act (and in this case, I deliberately do not use the word crime).
            In general, an attempt to distribute weapons to citizens by the state looks like an ostrich ... Of course, instead of taking measures to address the issues of combating criminal manifestations, it is much easier to say that saving the drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves ...
            But in this situation the question really arises, and what for me as a citizen such a state?
            Do not you think that on this basis a lot of questions arise for our state, how it will fit in well and wants to receive money in the form of taxes and not answer for anything. If you want, I can directly list explicit examples.
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 6 May 2018 21: 38
              +2
              Quote: Alex2048
              Before resolving the issue of the possibility of free circulation of weapons, it is necessary to resolve the issue of self-defense, with the limits of the use of harm when detaining a person who committed an unlawful act (and in this case, I deliberately do not use the word crime).

              We have almost no self-defense, most often this is an excess of defense, according to FIG that a person dodged an ax for half an hour .... yes
              I consider only permits for the purchase of firearms, the most humane way to own weapons, and if you’ve got the turn from the “Pecheneg”, you don’t hide behind a bench ...... hi
            2. CYM
              CYM 7 May 2018 00: 08
              +7
              Since 1998, the only CIS country, Moldova, has allowed the purchase and carrying of short-barreled firearms. And now some statistics. winked
              Number of killings per 100:
              Moldova - 7,8
              Russia - 13.
              Alcohol consumption per person per year:
              Moldova - 18,22 liters
              Russia - 15,76 liters
              Number of police officers per 100:
              Moldova - 388
              Russia - 976.
              1. dauria
                dauria 7 May 2018 02: 53
                +3
                Moldova - 7,8
                Russia - 13.


                And who is there to shoot something in Moldova? Women and children. Guys of theirs in Russia at a construction site and in crime, here you have statistics. Throw all the guest workers from Russia home, and see the "statistics".
                1. your1970
                  your1970 7 May 2018 10: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: dauria
                  Moldova - 7,8
                  Russia - 13.

                  And who is there to shoot something in Moldova? Women and children. Guys of theirs in Russia at a construction site and in crime, here you have statistics. Throw all the guest workers from Russia home, and see the "statistics".

                  moreover, in Moldova the highest among the young europeans, the cost of ......POLICE !!! despite CSR .... but in theory it should be the other way around ...
              2. Aleks2048
                Aleks2048 7 May 2018 11: 10
                0
                Indeed, there are not many statistics at all. To draw conclusions it would be necessary to have a little more statistics and better in the layout and dynamics with the USSR, from 1991 to 1998 the alignment of crimes. Population statistics are age and numerical. Statistics on the acquisition of weapons by the population. Statistics on the seizure of weapons from the population, both simply illegally acquired and the seizure of legally acquired, but as a result of changing the status of the owner of the seized, seized as a result of violation of the rules of possession of weapons. Statistics on the use and use by the population of weapons legally and illegally acquired, statistics on accidents on weapons, statistics on the excess of self-defense, and the limits of a person’s detention. Statistics on the provision of armed resistance to representatives of law enforcement agencies. Statistical welfare of the population. By the way, the same is needed in the Russian Federation.
              3. XXXIII
                XXXIII 7 May 2018 12: 38
                +1
                Quote: CYM
                Since 1998, the only CIS country, Moldova, has allowed the purchase and carrying of short-barreled firearms. And now some statistics. winked
                Number of killings per 100:
                Moldova - 7,8
                Russia - 13.
                Alcohol consumption per person per year:
                Moldova - 18,22 liters
                Russia - 15,76 liters
                Number of police officers per 100:
                Moldova - 388
                Russia - 976.

                The sizes are not comparable, hence the statistics are not entirely accurate .... hi
                1. Aleks2048
                  Aleks2048 7 May 2018 15: 21
                  0
                  Here maybe the numbers are correct, for example, I found and such as here in the internet and a little, and not even a little at all, but very different. But here too many things begin! Since elementary what to consider murder? Where to go in the statistics of the so-called lost and not returning? The death of the newborn? Drug addicts and drunks who died from an overdose? Features of legal procedures can change the numbers. The same thing about alcohol, spirits, alcohol-containing liquids, what exactly should be taken into account in statistics? And of course, it’s worth considering the parameter density of police squads per square kilometer. You can still play with numbers and take, for example, in comparison with the same period last year or any other year, so to speak, to identify the dynamics of problems, and if you also begin to compare the dynamics not only in absolute terms in numbers, but also in percentages and various proportions population density, the total area of ​​the state, the density of squads, and you can draw anything from statistics in general. tongue
                  1. CYM
                    CYM 7 May 2018 23: 30
                    0
                    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, blatant lies, and statistics." Mark Twain laughing
                    Nevertheless, according to numerous reviews of Moldovans, after the short-barrel was legalized in 1998, the "wild West" did not start, but the former "wild East" remained. Absolutely "horse" prices for pistols and revolvers transferred the right to weapons for 95% of citizens to the field of theory. winked
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 7 May 2018 10: 42
        +3
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        #dog

        For a dog !!! Hooray-ra-raaa !!! Bang-bang-bang .... Ready ...
        Damn, this didn’t seem to have turned up ... It was he who reached into his pocket for a handkerchief ... But it seemed like Smith and Wessen ...
  5. Evgeny Strygin
    Evgeny Strygin 6 May 2018 18: 21
    +3
    well, it would be possible to joke sharply in retaliation that on September 11 of a certain year, the short barrel also didn’t really help.
    Oh yes! This extraordinary event has affected the whole world.
    1. common man
      common man 6 May 2018 18: 36
      +9
      Quote: Evgeny Strygin
      well, it would be possible to joke sharply in retaliation that on September 11 of a certain year, the short barrel also didn’t really help.

      If in the USA there were not only short-barrels, but also Stingers in free circulation, then yes, maybe the twin towers would be intact.
      And in Europe, you need to carry anti-tank hedgehogs with you, stop the trucks.
      1. 11 black
        11 black 6 May 2018 19: 46
        +3
        Quote: man in the street
        If in the USA there were not only short-barrels, but also Stingers in free circulation, then yes, maybe the twin towers would be intact.

        Class good
        1. Aleks2048
          Aleks2048 7 May 2018 11: 17
          0
          Boeing and Airbass would have simply become rich from those who would have thought the terrorists on board. lol
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 7 May 2018 00: 29
        +2
        Quote: man in the street
        And in Europe, you need to carry anti-tank hedgehogs with you, stop the trucks.

        Perhaps more OZK needed yes :
        On Sunday night, three people in the British capital were hit by an acid attack. The incident occurred in east London. Three men aged 17, 22, and 27 were taken to the hospital.
        RIA News
        yesterday 22: 02
      3. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 7 May 2018 10: 46
        0
        Quote: man in the street
        Quote: Evgeny Strygin
        well, it would be possible to joke sharply in retaliation that on September 11 of a certain year, the short barrel also didn’t really help.

        If in the USA there were not only short-barrels, but also Stingers in free circulation, then yes, maybe the twin towers would be intact.
        And in Europe, you need to carry anti-tank hedgehogs with you, stop the trucks.

        If in the states they freely traded Stingers, perhaps the towers would have survived. Although not a fact. But the number of aircraft in the United States and its environs would be noticeably reduced.
    2. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 6 May 2018 18: 50
      +5
      Laughter with laughter and until 11.09 it was impossible to bring weapons on board the aircraft to anyone, not even the crew! A barmolei Tipo could ....
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 19: 08
        +9
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        barmolei Tipo

        * barmalei
        * type
        How old are you, lover of the short barrel? wink
        1. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 8 May 2018 09: 22
          0
          4th dozen already respected ... and experience on 3 ....
      2. your1970
        your1970 7 May 2018 10: 24
        +1
        according to the most popular version - ordinary stationery knives ... but it’s certainly not known exactly
  6. taiga2018
    taiga2018 6 May 2018 18: 21
    +1
    remember this man, these are his last days as minister ...
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 May 2018 18: 22
    +5
    Untrained people with weapons in their hands, under stress - God forbid. There would be many more victims. So I imagine - people grab a short-barreled barrel, and under machine-gun fire begin to fire amicably in the DIRECTIONS of the terrorists. No, better not worth it. Trump once again proved that he is a near mind ... And life knows no more than a Hollywood screenwriter of a minor injury.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 6 May 2018 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Untrained people with weapons in their hands, under stress - God forbid.

      So permission must be issued to trained - who have passed the appropriate courses (not only shooting, but also quick snatching and aiming)
      1. your1970
        your1970 7 May 2018 10: 26
        +2
        Quote: Weyland
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Untrained people with weapons in their hands, under stress - God forbid.
        So permission must be issued to trained - who have passed the appropriate courses (not only shooting, but also quick snatching and aiming)
        -that is, girls / grandmothers / children, for the protection of whom KSOshniki always scream - disappear ??? Or should they go to the shooting range at least three times a week to train? OUR grandmothers ??
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 7 May 2018 16: 50
          0
          Quote: your1970
          should they go to the shooting range at least three times a week to train?

          Well, no one will definitely give CSR to children! But 3 times a week - why so often? The main thing is to be able to quickly remove and remove from the fuse, and it is unlikely to be required to shoot beyond 5 meters in real life!
  8. svp67
    svp67 6 May 2018 18: 23
    +4
    Citing the Paris attacks in 2015, Trump suggested that “if workers or clients had weapons ... then the terrorists would have fled or were shot, and that would have been a completely different story.”
    Yeah ... why didn’t the Americans in Las Vegas answer?
    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 6 May 2018 18: 53
      +4
      They shot from the hotel window, did not immediately understand what was happening due to the noise, it is also unlikely that every second person walks in Las Vegas with a short gun and you don’t think that the fire from the short gun from the bottom up on the room window where the shooter was would be effective. But he didn’t shoot his guns at all ..
      In general, this story is muddy with this shooter ..
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 May 2018 18: 56
        +2
        Quote: Razvedka_Boem
        you don’t think that the fire from the short barrel from the bottom up on the window of the room where the shooter was located would be effective ..

        No, I don’t think ... but then it turns out that every American should walk along the streets with the M-16 ... Agree that this is a very strange attribute for walking. Namely, this is in Trump's logic.
        It’s as if the short-barrel is more effective against AK in the hands of terrorists. Rave
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 6 May 2018 19: 02
          +3
          Serge, what about AK right away? There, in America, jihadists in crowds?
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 May 2018 19: 15
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            Serge, what about AK right away? There, in America, jihadists go in droves in droves?

            No, I'm talking about Paris. There, not only explosive devices were used, but also automatic weapons. And judging by the fact that the French police and gendarmerie intercepted cars with AK several times, I think that there they lit up.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 6 May 2018 19: 43
              +2
              1. Sergey, I’m always ready to switch to “you”.
              2. To Paris, I wanted to spit from the Eiffel Tower!
        2. bk316
          bk316 6 May 2018 21: 25
          +6
          with M-16 ...

          Regarding Vegas, let Sergey disagree, with such a position, the M-16 would not have helped either SVD or Pecheneg. So straight and I see how people dance the blues with the Pechenegs
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 May 2018 22: 44
            0
            Quote: bk316
            either SVD or Pecheneg. So straight and I see how people dance the blues with the Pechenegs

            Then with the "CORDS", these would definitely save ...
        3. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 7 May 2018 10: 52
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Razvedka_Boem
          you don’t think that the fire from the short barrel from the bottom up on the window of the room where the shooter was located would be effective ..

          No, I don’t think ... but then it turns out that every American should walk along the streets with the M-16 ... Agree that this is a very strange attribute for walking. Namely, this is in Trump's logic.
          It’s as if the short-barrel is more effective against AK in the hands of terrorists. Rave

          If they started firing at you from a machine gun window, you need to have a heavy machine gun and a grenade launcher ready for battle (not in the trunk, but under the seat) on your car.
          And it is better to drive in groups of 3-4 cars to extinguish an attacker with concentrated fire through a window with a submachine gunner and a dozen neighboring ones.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 6 May 2018 18: 57
      +3
      Seryoga, I’ll try to explain to you. Americans, when they go to the open area of ​​a rock festival, fully trust their police and the FBI, who could not prevent 9.11, because they were "tied" by the government! I was on Soliger, without Putin, on our line ... There we were ... well, they didn’t inspect us, but they knew the license plate numbers ... And maybe the face too ....
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 6 May 2018 20: 25
        +2
        IMHO. The "Americans" are not very bad with security. They have a lot to learn.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 20: 49
          +5
          Quote: Tank Hard
          The "Americans" are not very bad with security. They have a lot to learn.

          Learn from the Jews who are in Israel.
          I was there once, looked with my eyes. Everything is really very competent and thoughtful there.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 6 May 2018 20: 52
            +2
            I agree. In comparison with ours, the Amer has the same thing, he looked the same ...
            1. asv363
              asv363 7 May 2018 02: 30
              +2
              No, I won’t let my students go there. They will be recruiting, not studying.
          2. XXXIII
            XXXIII 6 May 2018 21: 49
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Learn from the Jews who are in Israel.
            I was there once, looked with my eyes. Everything is really very competent and thoughtful there.

            And why didn’t they stay there, they would have taught you .... laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 22: 53
              +3
              Quote: XXXIII
              And why didn’t they stay there, they would teach you ...

              I have been to many places, and have not remained anywhere. Although a couple of times offered, however, not in Israel.
              Israel is not my country, it’s hard to explain it so ... I need to feel it request
            2. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 7 May 2018 10: 53
              0
              Quote: XXXIII
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Learn from the Jews who are in Israel.
              I was there once, looked with my eyes. Everything is really very competent and thoughtful there.

              And why didn’t they stay there, they would have taught you .... laughing

              There, those who remain are quickly sent to serve in the army.
      2. bk316
        bk316 6 May 2018 21: 32
        +6
        I was at Soliger

        СЕliger ....
        And what without Putin? C Churov or what? bully
  9. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 6 May 2018 18: 23
    +1
    Yes, do not give a damn about him, Trump, to your indignation !!!
  10. cedar
    cedar 6 May 2018 18: 27
    0
    "... Trump suggested that" if the workers or clients had weapons then ... then the terrorists would have fled or were shot, and that would have been a completely different story "..."

    Those. if the attacker attacks, then only if the attacked person has no defense.
    The practice of world terror suggests otherwise. With the growth of weapons and their power, terror also grows.
    In the modern world, if they do not understand this, then they feel the fifth point more and more people.
    See at the root, dear. Terror translated - fear and horror. These are one of the most powerful and ancient levers of controlling the peoples of the Earth ...
  11. farcop
    farcop 6 May 2018 18: 38
    +1
    Well, so Trump said with all the bluntness that he thinks.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 6 May 2018 21: 04
      0
      When Tram said what he said to the French, he thought that he would be able to promote American small arms to the European market and nothing more ...
  12. sustav75
    sustav75 6 May 2018 18: 42
    +1
    Trump threw a bream to the arms magnates! And what is France and Macron for Trump !? Macron, he generally ruffled at a meeting, like a kid naughty. I hope that someone will ever dislocate Trump's elbow joint for his “handshake”. On V.V.P. no longer hope ...
  13. Aloka
    Aloka 6 May 2018 18: 42
    +1
    The French will anger Trump, they themselves will then apologize to him for a long time that they spoke so badly about him.
  14. Masya masya
    Masya masya 6 May 2018 18: 47
    +2
    Trump has already said so much that one unworthy word has more, one less does not matter ... wink
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 6 May 2018 19: 06
      +2
      Marinochka, Peace be with you, your cats and all all everyone! Trump is a picture. Defense is necessary from holography. That's what sucks.
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 6 May 2018 19: 12
        +3
        Vyacheslav, howdy there! love
        Quote: sabakina
        Trump is a picture. Defense is necessary from holography.

        if only this picture was drawn, otherwise it also makes sounds ... wink
        Quote: sabakina
        That's what sucks
  15. jovanni
    jovanni 6 May 2018 19: 16
    +1
    Ay Pug! She is strong to know, since she barks at an elephant ... But who is this French minister for Trump? It seems to me Trump on the drum that this Mayor, that the homeless from under the bridge over the Seine. Apologies to them ...
  16. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 6 May 2018 19: 47
    +2
    What did Trump say this? The French wanted to work on the public: “There we are! Even the USA is not afraid! 2
  17. fridge
    fridge 6 May 2018 19: 55
    +2
    Who is France today? The Arab Republic, a country that does not fulfill the Mistral type agreements, former power is already absent, the first Germans proved it in 1940, then Vietnam sent them in three letters to put it mildly,
  18. martin-159
    martin-159 6 May 2018 19: 56
    +2
    For the first time I agree with Trump.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 6 May 2018 21: 02
      0
      Do you want in France those migrants who fought yesterday in the ranks of ISIS to have easy access to weapons ?! Do you want schoolchildren of your classmates and teachers to shoot in France as in the USA ?!
      1. martin-159
        martin-159 7 May 2018 05: 26
        0
        I don’t want, and I agree on this.
      2. pafegosoff
        pafegosoff 7 May 2018 10: 20
        0
        Well, compare Texas, where wearing is legalized, and other states
  19. Million
    Million 6 May 2018 20: 00
    0
    Can the Frenchmen snap back?
  20. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa 6 May 2018 20: 12
    0
    and you thought that they needed you for friendship .... yes you are ordinary meat.
  21. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa 6 May 2018 20: 22
    0
    Yes, you look at this tramp-pontus. As you can say hello to such a monster. Look at this monster that it creates. On the face ... gestures .... kapets he is ushlopok. 80th level

    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 6 May 2018 22: 01
      +1
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      Yes, you look at this tramp-pontus. As you can say hello to such a monster. Look at this monster that it creates. On the face ... gestures .... kapets he is ushlopok. 80th level

      This is a cool "man", he immediately realized that he was surrounded by simpletons ... lol
  22. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 6 May 2018 20: 29
    0
    Trump has to go.
  23. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 6 May 2018 20: 52
    +2
    Trump wants to open the European market for his gunsmiths ... Therefore, he expressed this nonsense that French civilians could stop the terrorists - the probability of this is extremely low, but shooting at schools and mass shootings like in the USA in France will be if they legalize the sale of weapons given the level of terrorist danger and the number of non-citizens of the country from the conflict zone, some of whom fought in the ranks of terrorists, everything will be much worse there ...
  24. Weyland
    Weyland 6 May 2018 20: 57
    +3
    But Trump is not so wrong. And by the way, this also applies to Russia!
  25. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 6 May 2018 22: 51
    0
    My cat also believes that I should feed him better ... laughing
  26. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 6 May 2018 22: 52
    -1
    Quote: Alex2048
    and what for me as a citizen such a state?

    SUCH A STATE - indeed, people do not need ... only to the rulers of this cancerous tumor!
  27. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 6 May 2018 22: 54
    -1
    Quote: Ivan Tarava
    Trump has to go.

    Putin come order restore order ...
  28. CYM
    CYM 6 May 2018 23: 52
    +3
    Trump just freely set forth the main argument in favor of the citizens' right to arms, formulated as far back as the 18th century by Italian lawyer Cesare Beccaria: “Laws prohibiting the carrying of weapons can disarm only people who do not intend to commit crimes. They help attackers and harm their victims "they contribute, not hinder the killings." It is outrageous that the European Minister is not familiar with the classics of European legal thought. laughing
  29. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 7 May 2018 03: 30
    +1
    Why apologize? - Trump called "things" by their proper names !!! The owners were blown away.
  30. alex3075
    alex3075 7 May 2018 07: 22
    0
    Quote: Alex_Rarog
    Xs what do you dislike ... indescribes, but I don’t know your girlfriend or spouse I would like to have at least PM when they feel her for the soft in the dark passage?

    Better let them condemn 12 than they will bear 6 ...

    So they will feel for a soft spot by placing it on the temple, for example, AKSU. Will PM help in this position? It will remain without honor and without PM. Everyone will have weapons, not just honest citizens.
  31. RelictEmpire
    RelictEmpire 7 May 2018 08: 55
    0
    Using the logic of Trump himself, the 9/11 terrorist attack could have been prevented if the adherents of the most democratic country were allowed to carry a firearm on the plane. Citizens would just shoot terrorists! Db!
  32. Grandfather Makar
    Grandfather Makar 7 May 2018 09: 05
    +3
    Trump will apologize ..? France will apologize to him and the first Macron))))
  33. Conserp
    Conserp 7 May 2018 21: 45
    +1
    The bottom line is that Trump voiced an incontrovertible fact.