In the Donbass not to use. In Kiev, told about the conditions of use of "Javelin"

Deputy Minister for Temporarily Occupied Territories and Internally Displaced Persons of Ukraine Georgy Tuka explained why the American anti-tank missile systems (ATGM) Javelin is not on the contact line in the Donbass.

According to the deputy minister, "at the moment there are certain restrictions on the part of the United States" on the use of Javelins.

The condition is not to use these complexes directly on the contact line,

quotes tuku RIA News.

At the same time, he noted that the ban can be lifted "at any time."

I assume that in the case, as people say, the throat situation, we will get permission from the US to use only two or three of these complexes. And it will bring down the arrogance from the enemy for quite a long time,

declared the official.

Recall, the US administration last year approved the supply of Kiev weapons, including Javelin ATGM. A few days ago, a State Department official said that the complexes had already been handed over to the Ukrainian army.

Moscow has repeatedly warned against the supply of arms to Kiev, explaining that the risk of an escalation of the conflict in the Donbass.

Comments

[210ox]

There are no words ... Colony. Fear of the fellow soldiers if suddenly the “Dart” appears in LDN .. Salvage is it ... And yes .. Two or three complexes? Yes, you won’t have time to use them. Chushkari.

[Greg Miller]

“Don’t use it in Donbass” for Ukrainians sounds the same as “Minsk agreements to fulfill” ... Well, it was said that this was not for gunpowder, but for Russia so that it would not be offended by its American partners ...

[Thrall]

T-shirt with Aliexpress:
Eat sleep javelin

[Hire]

we will get permission from the US use only two or three of these complexes

The proud and independent country of Sumeria! Envy Russia!

[210ox]

What nonsense the Chinese do not display ..

Quote: Thrall

T-shirt with Aliexpress:
Eat sleep javelin

[Slovak]

And so it turns out - they only dream of Javelin and swallow saliva. But in general it’s funny, they rush about with them like with a written shell, because the difference with other complexes is small, what would LDNR be afraid of?

[Alena Frolovna]

"Do not use in the Donbass"

"Oh, the great and mighty" Ja-ja ... "

[okko077]

Why is there so much hype around obsolete weapons? Pi_ndosy already equip the army with new complexes ... Well, if the backward do not know why others are silent?

[svp67]

Quote: Thrall

Eat sleep javelin

Well, if you translate, then: "Eat. Sleep. Dart"

[Alex777]

There are complexes and missiles only for the defense of Kiev. And even then it’s not circular.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Greg Miller

"Do not use in the Donbass"

This is called, "My Lord, I do not know what my hands are doing, for I am sure that the head does not agree."

[Letun]

Quote: Greg Miller

“Don’t use it in Donbass” for Ukrainians sounds the same as “Minsk agreements to fulfill” ... Well, it was said that this was not for gunpowder, but for Russia so that it would not be offended by its American partners ...

Yes, that's not why. Mattresses perfectly understand who they are dealing with, and if the Javelins go to the Donbass, the brave Ukrainian warriors will start selling them to the Donetsk team, and therefore the complexes will end up in Russia, and as far as I know, there are no analogues to the Javelins.
Although the situation itself is fun, sell weapons and still set the condition for its use. Well dill nifiga not slaves

[svp67]

Quote: 210ox

. Afraid of fenders if suddenly in LDN appears "Dart".

Not only that. They are afraid that due to poor preparation of calculations, these complexes will not be very effective, and this is a big blow to the image of American weapons. They will train the calculations, work out the tactics and God forbid that they will immediately give permission. And by this moment there will already be plenty of prepared calculations in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it remains to wait for the massive deliveries of the ATGMs from the USA.
In response, we need the same Syria to put the S-300 division, with the condition of deploying it ONLY in the Damascus area, but if that ....

[volodimer]

And nothing to use! Sell ​​immediately in packaging. The financial situation has long been a "throat" ...

[A good one]

They will be with us, and the boxes from them are in the warehouse, with the inscription "do not open."

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: 210ox

There is no word ... Colony. Fear of felons if suddenly

and why did you believe what was written in the article?

[210ox]

Why not believe in what is happening in the madhouse. Anything is possible there.

Quote: Tiksi-3

Quote: 210ox

There is no word ... Colony. Fear of felons if suddenly

and why did you believe what was written in the article?

[Lelek]

Quote: 210ox

. Afraid of fenders if suddenly in LDN appears "Dart".

Hi Dmitry.
Darts are already in / in the former Ukraine, and the US State Department confirms this.

Moreover, the US reconnaissance drone is sent to the Donbass and is already in the sky Ruins.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Lelek

Quote: 210ox

. Afraid of fenders if suddenly in LDN appears "Dart".

Hi Dmitry.
Darts are already in / in the former Ukraine, and the US State Department confirms this.

Moreover, the US reconnaissance drone is sent to the Donbass and is already in the sky Ruins.

Yes, he flies there every week. What did you want to say with this "news"?

[Normal ok]

Quote: 210ox

No words ... Colony

Duc Javelins were not sold, but given for nothing. The donor has the right to set conditions. Any notary will confirm this to you.

[Seaman77]

Do not use in Donbass

Clear business. "Terminators" immediately drink ...

[210ox]

Cyborgs .... "Terminators" they are ours ...

Quote: Seaman77

Do not use in Donbass

Clear business. "Terminators" immediately drink ...

[Seaman77]

Right Cyborgs. Confused a little.

[svp67]

Quote: 210ox

"Terminators" they are ours ...

And these?

[210ox]

These? These nonexistent .. Cameron's ..

Quote: svp67

Quote: 210ox

"Terminators" they are ours ...

And these?

[svp67]

Quote: 210ox

These? These nonexistent .. Cameron ..

Well, how can I say ... thanks to them, the terminator, from the astronomical term, the border between the dark and light sides of the planets, has turned into battle robots or even ruthless killer robots

[sabakina]

No Sergey, this one of ours.

[svp67]

Quote: sabakina

No Sergey, this one of ours.

And this one?

[sabakina]

Serey, this same liquid! Our drink this in the morning. It’s not all true, which is why driving a car ...

[svp67]

Quote: sabakina

so this same liquid!

Okay, but this one?

[sabakina]

Sergey, we will live!

[sabakina]

Seryoga, they have a different composition! This is not a drip for cold scrap! Here, you see, a collider is needed, but to find it in the outback? ...

[svp67]

Quote: sabakina

This is not a drip for cold scrap!

Yeah, you’ll have to drip differently ....

[Kot_Kuzya]

Not this one, but this one! Completely inflating

[svp67]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Completely inflating

I’m even afraid to imagine what she’ll do with that “fan” ...

[Dormidont]

The condition is not to use these complexes directly on the contact line,

And where then to use? In Transcarpathia?

[svp67]

Quote: Dormidont

In Transcarpathia?

No, in the Carpathian region, for training ...

[volodimer]

In Kiev, let’s apply Poroshenko’s motorcade ..

[Weyland]

To ho-hol with a single motion of your finger burned several hundred pieces of bucks? Instead of driving the "dart" "sepa-ram" for a good denyuzhku?

[Evil 55]

I wonder how many liters of jumpers will push the Jewels ...

[sabakina]

permission from the US to use only two or three of these complexes. And it will knock the arrogance from the enemy for a rather long termto,

As I understand it, these words are not addressed to NM LDNR, but to Russia .... I recalled a Soviet joke ...
- From the east, tanks, tanks, tanks will go to them.
- What will all four tanks go to?
- Yes, all four.
- From the air we will launch aviation
-Aviation will not be.
-Why?
-The pilot got sick

[DeusExMachina]

Well, the goals will be different. It’s easy to boast of strength when you can use advanced anti-tank systems against outdated 64 ones.

[sabakina]

Excuse me, did you read my post well? In Russia, the T-64 is not in service. There are Armats, of which there are only 10. Why are they going to use only 3-4 complexes.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: sabakina

Excuse me, did you read my post well? In Russia, the T-64 is not in service. There are Armats, of which there are only 10. Why are they going to use only 3-4 complexes.

And what does the "T-64 in Russia" and "Almaty" have to do with it?

[sabakina]

Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer? Like a colonel, an owl on an avatar .... With logical thinking you need to work.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: sabakina

You need to work with logical thinking.

Hmm ...

[sabakina]

Thank God at least they agreed with this.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: sabakina

Thank God at least they agreed with this.

No, I’m sympathetic - everything is bad with you.

[sabakina]

Sergey, what is it? Are you a pathologist? You don’t pull, otherwise you still have to catch up to the store!

[Avis-bis]

Quote: sabakina

You don’t pull, otherwise you still have to catch up to the store!

Run, I do not hold.

[sabakina]

Figase, in the morgue you can run away for ... Sergey, why do the dead usually run around? ...

[DeusExMachina]

I would address this question to you.
“two or three of these complexes. And it will knock off the enemy for a rather long time” - if it was a message “behind the eyes” for the Russian Federation, then what was considered by you as a misunderstanding of what you wrote?
“Well, the goals will be different. It’s easy to boast of strength when you can use advanced anti-tank systems against outdated 64 ones.”

[sabakina]

DeusExMachina, I understand why I don’t understand something, but what I can’t understand! So who first mentioned the T-64? Think, move your brains!

[DeusExMachina]

What are you talking about?) Or is it such an attempt to ask me to explain again what my message was about?
Well, again:
1) You can easily "play with muscles" using the Javelins, if the opponents are 64 from the L / DPR. Well, just because the cars are outdated.
2) If it was such a hidden message for the Russian Federation, then the situation becomes more complicated - the goals will be different.
If it didn’t "get it" already, then please

[sabakina]

I will not. I still need to understand your rubbish, evaluate, make a decision. Will you wait?

[sabakina]

Quote: DeusExMachina

You can easily "play with muscles" using the Javelins, if the opponents are 64 from the L / DPR. Well, just because the cars are outdated.

DeusExMachina, I answer. I immediately wrote that this is not against NM LDNR! This, read carefully, against Russian tanks. Russia does not have a T-64!
And in general, our conversation with you reminds me:

[A good one]

Quote: sabakina

permission from the US to use only two or three of these complexes. And it will knock the arrogance from the enemy for a rather long termto,

As I understand it, these words are not addressed to NM LDNR, but to Russia .... I recalled a Soviet joke ...
- From the east, tanks, tanks, tanks will go to them.
- What will all four tanks go to?
- Yes, all four.
- From the air we will launch aviation
-Aviation will not be.
-Why?
-The pilot got sick

-And what kind of man is this harsh?
- The commander of the tank corps, a respected man.
-What, general?
- No, the equipment was removed from the tank, and the rest is listed behind it.

[venik]

Quote: sabakina

I recalled a Soviet joke ...

=======
This joke is recalled in a slightly different "form":
- On the right flank - 4 million
- On the left - 3,5 million ...
- And in the "Center" - tanks, tanks, tanks ... First, One, then - Second .. then Third .......

[Opera]

Of course, do not use in the Donbass! In Kiev and Lviv you can! In general, this is humanitarian aid!

[Mountain shooter]

There is another point of view. Application will show the complete inefficiency of these "Darts" in a real battle ... And then what to do with the scandal? Inevitable in the case when the advertised prodigy is the next "zilch".
See how the world has “stirred”, having learned that the vaunted “smart and beautiful missiles” were driven down by modernized but old air defense missiles. So much so that 20% generally reached the goals!
This is such a blow to the arms trade from the United States, so you can lose the market

[Lesorub]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Application will show the complete inefficiency of these "Darts" in a real battle ... And then what to do with the scandal? Inevitable in the case when the advertised prodigy is the next "zilch".

I hoped that the "darts" are not effective, at least not Reasonably))), or are you reassuring yourself ?! )

[Opera]

It looks more like you are reassuring yourself!

[Avis-bis]

Yeah. That is, there was no ban on selling.

[Berkut24]

The situation is somewhat similar to the one when I sold my soul for a bottle of moonshine, put it on the table for dinner, and drink it downstairs!

[K-50]

The condition is not to use these complexes directly on the contact line

Good limitation. But on the other hand, why are they needed then if they are not used?
And, probably, "Schaub Bulo".

[gippernano]

A Schaub in the Poles if Che vdarit, and then spoiled.

[Lelek]

Quote: gippernano

A Schaub in the Poles if Che vdarit, and then spoiled.

By the way, on the border with Poland, a real light show is taking place - Ukrainians are massively fleeing to the "non-bluish", and they blocked the border.

[sabakina]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

There is another point of view. Application will show the complete inefficiency of these "Darts" in a real battle ... And then what to do with the scandal? Inevitable in the case when the advertised prodigy is the next "zilch".

Eugene, the same thing you said about the confrontation between S-400 and F-35 in Turkey. And finally, we’ll go not in tanks, but ISU-152 “St. John’s Wort”. We will not shoot directly, but through the heaps. The main intelligence and experienced spotter. I don’t understand why they really need "Javelins"?

[Lelek]

Quote: sabakina

I don’t understand why they really need "Javelins"?

They suggest that as soon as they decide to advance on LDNR, Russia will throw armor to the aid of the republics, and the “darts" will come in handy. And the fact that banderlog trample, no doubt.

[flicker]

It is necessary for the Taliban to arm MANPADS and say only on the contact line not to use

[skomfit]

It’s like in a joke: A son comes to his father and asks, Dad, can I watch TV? To which dad replied, MAY NOT ONLY INCLUDE)))))

[izya top]

for the Yankees anti-advertising yak sickle on ... below the belt

[sabakina]

Andrei, I’d say it straight, otherwise it’s all about ...

[tank64rus]

You listen to the generals from Ukraine and immediately begin to think whether this is a couch general. Anyone who has even the slightest idea of ​​combined arms combat understands that ATGMs are just one type of weapon, and far from the most important one. And here you read speeches as if the Americans gave them samples of supergalactic weapons.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: tank64rus

You listen to the generals from Ukraine and immediately begin to think whether this is a couch general. Anyone who has even the slightest idea of ​​combined arms combat understands that ATGMs are just one type of weapon, and far from the most important one. And here you read speeches as if the Americans gave them samples of supergalactic weapons.

In the 1930s, people smarter than today's Ukrainian generals considered the tank an invincible weapon. A little later they were proved that the tank unit itself is not at war. Today is a new round.

[sabakina]

Avis-bis, in the 30s, our army was not in the last line. And in general, history should not be studied, but know!

[Avis-bis]

Quote: sabakina

Avis-bis, in the 30s, our army was not in the last line. And in general, history should not be studied, but know!

You first learn the Russian language, and then advise someone else. And the story is more complicated than the Russian language, it’s too early for you.

[gippernano]

I think all these dances with tambourines are purely for the layman, everyone else understands everything.

[Antares]

Quote: tank64rus

You listen to the generals from Ukraine and immediately begin to think whether this is a couch general. Anyone who has even the slightest idea of ​​combined arms combat understands that ATGMs are just one type of weapon, and far from the most important one.

Is Tuka a general? He is an official. Not a military man. He graduated from the Polytechnic of Kiev and Sevastopol Instrument-Making. Volunteer, businessman.

[gippernano]

So the Iskanders can do LDNR, not for Kyev, of course, but if Moscow permits 2-3 racquets, let the president down at the residence, just shoot down, nothing personal.

[Aloka]

The Americans will not survive the second puncture. That new tomahawks fell into the hands of the Russians, and it is likely that we will have the praised Jewels. And if they find themselves at the forefront, then there is no doubt about it.

[sustav75]

Quote: sabakina

I will not. I still need to understand your rubbish, evaluate, make a decision. Will you wait?

I noticed one feature here in the review, when discussing any news from Ukraine. First, you amicably commenting on which APUs are gouging, they will all drink and suck, then nervously go to the individuals who comment on this news (at each other), and miss the point! The Americans, who want to do what they do on our borders, shove anything there, and our Kremlin guys clap and clap their ears ... But you jerk on, run to the shop for the booze and jerk, as I understand you have thrown on army pensions ...

[Antares]

Quote: sustav75

And you go further

hats are immortal ....
We are not afraid of a gray wolf, if in a fairy tale.
The TV is trying, the media are trying so that the Russian citizen does not have a question why the Americans do what they want and do. After all, everyone has long been defeated.

[BAI]

As soon as Javelin appears in the Donbass, something will appear in the Donbas from the other side, and Javelin will go to Russia.

[cedar]

"... I suppose that in the case, as the people say, of the throat situation, we will get permission from the United States to use only two or three of these complexes. And this will knock the enemy off for a rather long period of time,
said the official ... "

The arrogant Saxons of the next Apollo with nonsense were launched into the information space from the Ukrainian cosmodrome ...

[demo]

I assume that in the case, as people say, the throat situation, we will get permission from the US to use only two or three of these complexes. And it will bring down the arrogance from the enemy for quite a long time,
declared the official.
Those. the US Ambassador to UR will give two shots, and do not spoil more.
After all, the Americans know that the Ukrainians on the second day will declare that all shots hit the target and should be delivered more.
And they shove money into their pocket.
Ukrainians are so entrepreneurial.

[Avis-bis]

sabakina,

in the morgue you can run away for ... Sergey, why do the dead usually run around? ...

Stop smoking the rubbish that you smoke now.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: sabakina

Sergey, why do dead people usually run around?

Quote: Avis-bis

Stop smoking the rubbish you smoke now

No, but the truth - for what? I also became interested

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Golovan Jack

No, but the truth - for what? I also became interested

I'm not interested, ask the bearer of this hallucination - "Sabakina."

[Servisinzhener]

They will not receive such permission from the United States. Because the Americans understand that sending them to Donbas is equivalent to sending them directly to Moscow.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Servisinzhener

They will not receive such permission from the United States. Because the Americans understand that sending them to Donbas is equivalent to sending them directly to Moscow.

And sending to Donbass simply lower the seller’s rank: instead of the general, there’s, say, a polkan. If the "Javelin" remains in the rear, then just another warehouse will soon burn out.

[antiexpert]

and the resolution is remotely wireless, like the F-35 yes?

[senima56]

Yes, stop it! So Ukrainians and obeyed! They were waiting for these “Javelins” in order to “restrain Russian aggression”!

[tuts]

most of the tanks in the Donbass have APU, it seems that Poroshenko needs javelins so that the APU does not go to Kiev

[Avis-bis]

Quote: tots

most of the tanks in the Donbass have APU, it seems that Poroshenko needs javelins so that the APU does not go to Kiev

Poroshenkov-style detachments?

[Professor]

In Donbass not use. In Kiev, talked about the conditions for the use of "Javelins"
According to the deputy minister, "at the moment there are certain restrictions on the part of the United States" on use "The Javelins."

Use condoms, and weapons apply. Like you, anonymous author.

[Antares]

Quote: professor

Condoms are used, and weapons are used. Like you, anonymous author.

Well, here is not the author rather

So, for today’s day є singing omezhzhennya, as a rule taken from Ukraine’s business. Umova - not vikoristovuvati tsi complexes without interruption on a linear account. Ale treba rozumіti, but then obmezhennya mozhe buti was packaged at any moment.

and Tuka himself. Although in his words he did not mention that these are US conditions. But only Minsk.
The verb "vikoristovuvati", but it is necessary to "zasosovuvati" - however, he thinks in Russian. It may well be excusable to him.

[UAZ 452]

Quote: professor

Condoms are used, and weapons are used. Like you, anonymous author.

I do not want to be categorical: after all, I do not belong to the God-chosen people, but use (combat use) is when a weapon is already shooting at the enemy. And when for starters it’s just in the army, it’s exploitation, you can say use, but not use. Somehow we agree that vigorous-loaves of the troops of the respective powers are already in full use (holy-holy!).

[Simon]

Quote: Hire

we will get permission from the US use only two or three of these complexes

The proud and independent country of Sumeria! Envy Russia!

And, what to envy, we have grenade launchers of the 70's, which bring down their vaunted “abroms”.

[Professor]

Quote: Simon

And, what to envy, we have grenade launchers of the 70's, which bring down their vaunted “abroms”.

... and they have anti-tank systems of the 60's that are felling your vaunted T-90. Now what?

[Simon]

Quote: professor

Quote: Simon

And, what to envy, we have grenade launchers of the 70's, which bring down their vaunted “abroms”.

... and they have anti-tank systems of the 60's that are felling your vaunted T-90. Now what?

Evidence on the table!

[Professor]

Quote: Simon

Evidence on the table!

You burning inconspicuous taxes, press T-90 or ancient TOU on the table? Will the table stand?

[Vadim237]

TOW 2A with a tandem warhead mid-80s production - not so ancient.

[Normal ok]

“The condition is not to use these complexes directly on the contact line,
quoted by Tuku RIA Novosti.

I also have "news." The Americans voiced this even before they decided to convey the Javelins.

[UAZ 452]

Yankees are boiling a frog. And this frog is us, Russia.
Who does not understand - this is from the instructions on how to cook a frog alive. If you throw it in boiling water, it will immediately jump out. But if at first the water in the pan is just warm, and they are slightly heated, then the frog itself will not notice how it boils.
At first, they threw in information about the decision to sell the Jewels many times and refuted as many times. In the end, the delivery took place, and everyone already didn’t give a damn about it: endless stuffing and refutation led to the fact that everyone got used to it (by the way, we successfully use the same technique in order to accustom people to the upcoming increase in retirement age , eg). Now it seems that they are not for Donbass, as it were, then there will be - no more than two or three. In the end, the supply of any weapon and without restrictions on its use will become a fait accompli. Well, Uncle Sam will always have the opportunity to suspend the punished Kiev authorities for their genitals, suddenly discovering the unlawful use of Western weapons (of course, the “fined” did not mean razed a couple of villages in the Donbass, but didn’t sign the concession to the right people, sell the factory for five hryvnias did not want to).

[Mihail28]

If you croak like a frog, if you jump like a frog, if you are green like a frog, if you have paws like a frog, if you have the logic of thinking like a frog, then .... this does not mean that there are only frogs around you.
That the Americans will supply Kiev with any weapon that they consider appropriate to transfer (sell, donate) to Kiev, sooner or later they will do it. And then, according to Chekhov: “If you say in the first chapter that a gun is hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it must certainly shoot. And if he doesn’t shoot, he should not hang. ”
And the fact that these Javelins will shoot, no one has any doubt, the only question is where and when they will shoot. Moreover, it is not necessary to shoot in Ukraine, on the Earth there are many other good places where the interests of Americans clash with the interests of other countries.

[Mihail28]

We are waiting for the fire in the warehouse where the Javelins are stored.
And then the fire victims will emerge somewhere, for example in Syria. Or not in Syria.
MANPADS also no one delivered ISIS directly.

[Hiller]

the owner forbade the use of pants in the Donbass - a kindergarten on a strap ... Dad threatened with a finger .... funny ...

[Berkut154]

-Semen, dash razor?
-Dame, just don’t turn it on!
(Deadly Force, Chinatown)

[STORM 12]

Quote: Antares

Quote: professor

Condoms are used, and weapons are used. Like you, anonymous author.

Well, here is not the author rather

So, for today’s day є singing omezhzhennya, as a rule taken from Ukraine’s business. Umova - not vikoristovuvati tsi complexes without interruption on a linear account. Ale treba rozumіti, but then obmezhennya mozhe buti was packaged at any moment.

and Tuka himself. Although in his words he did not mention that these are US conditions. But only Minsk.
The verb "vikoristovuvati", but it is necessary to "zasosovuvati" - however, he thinks in Russian. It may well be excusable to him.

Hindus are some kind .............................

[kirillovleva]

All throats tore “apply, not apply” - see how much money the US allocated for the weapons of the Nazis and the cost of weapons - I wonder how much one missile for ATGM costs (+ of this money training, expenses for instructors). How many ATGM and charges will be in the dry residue (and they break and become covered by fire and are captured in battle)?

[DPN]

So words to the public, as they say in Russia, are impossible, but if you really want to, then you can. In Ukraine, it will be so.

[Topotun]

“Don’t use in the Donbass,” they won’t. They will simply be pushed somewhere .... The world is large and there is a demand for such tsatskis. Everything will be fine - send.

[Vanek]

- Can I watch TV?

- Can. Just don't turn it on.