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You are friends with the Russian - keep the ax in the bosom!

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The recent crises clearly showed only one thing: we really begin to be interested in what is happening with our neighbors only after they overthrow the pro-Russian government. This was the case even with Ukraine, one of the largest and, for many reasons, our most important neighbor. I keep silent about Armenia in general: we remembered it only during the next aggravation of the crisis around Nagorno-Karabakh or when the next interstate agreements "on friendship, cooperation and Russian sponsorship" were signed.




Well, not being a completely stupid person, I decided to ask what is being written in the Kazakh media about the latest events in our “almost cloudless” relations. Without pretending to the total coverage of all the media that spoke on the topic, I still saw a lot of interesting and instructive.

For example, did you know that the Kazakhs have a saying: you are friends with the Russian - hold the ax in the bosom?

So I did not know. I am not sure that most Kazakhs have heard about it, but the Kazakh-language portal Qamshy.kz knows and remembers about it, which it did not fail to remind its readers. Just in case, I will clarify: I don’t know Kazakh, and I’d not vouch for the accuracy of the translation. But the translator is another Kazakh edition, so this is hardly the machinations of enemies who want to embroil our friendly nations.

Even at the headline level, everything is pretty sad. “If a friend turned out to be suddenly ...” - this is about friendship with Russia, which was suddenly under sanctions because of its “aggressive behavior”, it quarreled with the whole world, and now only Venezuela, Syria and poor Kazakhstan are among its allies. And is it worth this proud, independent, self-sufficient and very sovereign state to maintain such a high level of relations with Russia? Shouldn't the degree be reduced to the usual, quite friendly, but still purely trade and economic cooperation without any political overtures there and obligations?

Or do you like the following heading: “The EAEU does not bring benefits to Kazakhstan, but there is a way out.” In the article, the author, deftly postulating the futility of the EEU for the Republic of Kazakhstan, presents his thoughts on how this could be corrected. And what is remarkable, it all boils down to the need to strengthen cross-border relations, which, in the author's opinion, should become the engine of positive growth in trade. In between times, the figures of the terrible Russian domination are cited: Russia exports to Kazakhstan much more than it imports from there. And generally speaking,

the northern neighbor, trapped in the grip of sanctions, is looking for new markets for its products and sees Kazakhstan only as such a market and its raw materials appendage.


Reading this, it is very difficult to understand what the main thing in the article is: strange recipes to intensify trade and economic cooperation or the implicitly promoted idea that this cooperation is initially unfair, wrong, unprofitable, and it needs to be either greatly changed (in favor of Kazakhstan, of course) or even lower it to the level of border areas, unleashing Astana’s hands for “multi-vector” relations.

By the way, about multi-vector. Did you, dear readers, know that multi-vector policy has become a real new idol for Kazakhstan? This word is found in the Kazakh media so often and is used so unexpectedly, with some kind of even sincere naivety, that it starts to have a strange, slightly depressing impression on us, “Putin's propagandists”.

For example, the case with the voting of Kazakhstan in the UN is being investigated. The author writes something like: yes, first we voted for the American resolution, then for the Russian one, and then abstained - we have a multi-vector approach! I am exaggerating a little, but in no way violating the essence: “multi-vector” for Kazakhstan has ceased to be a political tool, turning into a self-sufficient ersatz of the national idea. And the Kazakhs themselves seem to be so accustomed to this, that they completely justify at times their foreign policy impulses and movements that are mutually exclusive with this multi-vector approach.

The reaction of the Russian media to the recent ratification by Kazakhstan of the agreement on American transit to Afghanistan through the Caspian ports of northern Kazakhstan did not go unnoticed in Astana.

Vladimir Solovyov, who dared in his program “Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov” in an impartial spirit, speak out against “who does not want to keep up with Moscow sovereign Kazakhstan” is considered the instigator of the “anti-Kazakh hysteria in the Russian media”.

And since Vladimir Solovyov, according to Kazakh analysts, without instructions from the Kremlin “does not say a word”, the critical wave that struck Kazakhstan and Elbasy personally is a well-coordinated hysteria of “trained Russian media”, aimed at hinting the latter transparently, how unhappy they are in the Kremlin.

Kazakh analysts also found out:

The CSTO allies are not going to get into the trenches with Russia. Including the most serious of them - Kazakhstan.


Frankly, I am not sure that Kazakhstan is such a serious military ally, but otherwise this assessment is not far from the truth - apparently, there are really few people who want to be with us in one trench. And it is unlikely that someone from those who pray for their “multi-vector” nature will be persuaded by a Russian saying about two birds with one stone.

And this, whatever you say, is sad. Although not new: about the only allies of Russia, we already know a half hundred years.

Still, some of the Kazakh media headlines instill restrained optimism in the Russian reader. For example, this: "Kazakhstanis choose the ruble." And even understanding with the mind that this does not guarantee us anything, it still gets a little warmer in the heart.

Still, it must be stated: the situation in Kazakhstan is rather alarming from the point of view of Russia's geopolitical interests. The process of rejection of Astana from the Russian Federation has already been launched, and it is far from a fact that the “soft power” of Russia at least this time will be able to get the best of the “cookies” of the US State Department.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 7 May 2018 05: 53
    +51
    Practice shows ... We have no friends except the army and navy ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 7 May 2018 06: 00
      +56
      Practice shows ... Elbasy did not remain long .. Multivectorness has already brought one such to Rostov ...
      Quote: Vard
      Practice shows ... We have no friends except the army and navy ...
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 7 May 2018 09: 39
        +20
        Multiple vectorization has already brought one such to Rostov ...
        Yanek will have a partner with someone in chess ............, play a sec.
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 7 May 2018 21: 46
          +26
          Maybe, and maybe not ... But looking at how Great Russia bends beneath the States over and over, constantly whines and howls before the West, it cannot make the half-decomposed Ukraine do Minsk-2, covertly finances its economy. In such a situation, any Russian ally has a question, why should I be an ally of this toothless US vassal, if I can be this vassal myself? Remember, in cowards and vassals - ALLIES DO NOT HAPPEN !!!
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 7 May 2018 22: 26
            +6
            Does Russia supply fuel to foreign tanks?
            1. Greg Miller
              Greg Miller 7 May 2018 23: 22
              +17
              Over 3 years after the Maidan, Russian state-owned banks recapitalized their Ukrainian subsidiaries in the amount of more than $ 5 billion ... With this money, Ukraine bought fuel for its tanks from Belarus .... But who supplies cheap oil to Belarus, Trump or Obama ???
            2. Whitesnow
              Whitesnow 8 May 2018 06: 20
              +7
              Does Russia supply fuel to foreign tanks?
              Who?
              1. CALL.
                CALL. 8 May 2018 07: 27
                +14
                Does Russia supply fuel to foreign tanks?

                The capitalist (Anglo-Saxon, Gussian or Honduran) has nothing sacred, neither Motherland, nor conscience. Their god is purebred, their ideology is profit at all costs. "Russian World" and Prokhorov, Mendel, Chubais and Deripaska are not compatible. Now they are fighting to grab a piece fatter. But as soon as they feel threatened, they will sell and betray themselves or their business.
                Regarding Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Armenia and other Baltic states. As soon as the result is achieved (- this is the resources of Russia), including at the expense of the above-mentioned republics, the population of not only Russia, but also these republics will be utilized, because for the "big boss" we are all the same natives as the Indians whom they exterminated, and drove the remaining to the reservation.
            3. demo
              demo 9 May 2018 14: 14
              +4
              And what not?
              I’ll tell you the secret of the Open.
              Oil is supplied to the Republic of Belarus, without duties, at domestic Russian prices.
              The petrochemical complex of Belarus includes organizations for the extraction, refining and transportation of oil, petroleum products, chemistry and petrochemistry, a number of scientific, design, construction, repair and commissioning organizations.
              The bulk of them are united by Belneftekhim concern. This is one of the largest and strategically important industrial complexes in the country.

              Industry organizations provide about 30 percent of the industrial output of the Republic of Belarus and half of the export of goods. Industry products are exported to more than 120 countries. Over 70 percent of the products manufactured by the petrochemical complex are sold on the foreign market. In foreign markets, it is represented by a wide distribution network.
              Belarusian oil refineries (Mozyr Oil Refinery OJSC and Naftan OJSC) are characterized by a high technological level. In terms of quality and environmental friendliness of motor fuel, the Republic of Belarus is a leader among the CIS countries.
              Since 2016, the annual volume of oil refining at oil refineries has been 24 million tons.
              Automobile gasolines, diesel fuel (including for engines in the Arctic and cold winter climates), fuel for PT and Jet A-1 subsonic jet engines, aromatic hydrocarbons, and automobile oils are produced.
              Oil refineries process oil delivered from the Russian Federation via trunk pipelines, which continue the network of export trunk pipelines of the Russian joint-stock company Transneft.
              Oil pipelines are serviced, oil is supplied to oil refineries, and the transit flow to Poland and Ukraine is transported by Belarusian oil transport companies Gomeltransneft Druzhba OJSC and Polotstransneft Druzhba OJSC.

              So how?
              And that the Russian Federation does not know where it all goes?
              He knows. This goes to farmers in the ATO.
              So what?
              And nothing.
              To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear?
              Business and conscience are two mutually exclusive concepts.
          2. Alexander Barkov
            Alexander Barkov 8 May 2018 14: 08
            +1
            So why does Belarus sell cheap Russian fuel to Ukraine, while constantly asking for an increase in the fuel quota? Maybe the already cool Belarusian people can get into the body, since they are such cool people. Due to the Russian iron in Belarusian BelAz’s and cheap fuel, not whine before Russia, as Russians whine before the United States.
          3. nickname7
            nickname7 8 May 2018 15: 28
            +7
            That's right. In the Russian Federation itself, multi-vector, different towers, look in different directions. The Russian Federation is like a ship, without a rudder and without sails. So what do you want from Kazakhstan, in this case? For example, Ukraine, who is now for the Russian Federation? A sanitary cordon or friend must be determined. If the last sanitary Russophobian cordon, then why is money pumped into it. If the Russian Federation’s own power is not needed, then making a claim to Kazakhstan is stupid.
            Let the author write an article on supporting the economy and the amount of money swelled into Ukraine.
          4. 11 black
            11 black 8 May 2018 19: 16
            +7
            Quote: Greg Miller
            Maybe, and maybe not ... But looking at how Great Russia bends beneath the States over and over, constantly whines and howls before the West, it cannot make the half-decomposed Ukraine perform Minsk-2,

            Russia regained Crimea right under the nose of the toothy and great. Russia is the only one in the world trying to stop the lawlessness of the United States in the Middle East - it’s not for you to judge us, you have never been in our place to judge us.
            Quote: Greg Miller
            In such a situation, any Russian ally has a question, why should I be an ally of this toothless US vassal, if I can be this vassal myself? Remember, in cowards and vassals - ALLIES DO NOT HAPPEN !!!

            Since you yourself are rushing into US vassals and even admit it, you should understand that you cannot have allies from your logic - you are vassals or want to become them.
            We have our own problems, but none of you has the right to judge us, let alone insult us.
            1. NF68
              NF68 8 May 2018 19: 30
              +1
              Quote: 11 black
              Russia regained Crimea right under the nose of the toothy and great. Russia is the only one in the world trying to stop the lawlessness of the United States in the Middle East - it’s not for you to judge us, you have never been in our place to judge us.


              But what about Iran? The Iranians there, too, fully rest.
          5. LIP
            LIP 9 May 2018 20: 50
            +1
            Dear Mr. Greg! Whose cow would mumble, but yours would be silent!
      2. Tatyana
        Tatyana 7 May 2018 09: 48
        +21
        The process of tearing away Astana from the Russian Federation has already been launched, and it is far from the fact that the “soft power” of Russia at least this time can get the better of the “cookies” of the US State Department.

        By the way, let us turn to the issue of “soft power” of the USA itself in the USA itself ..

        The other day, a friend returned from the United States. She was there for a long time visiting relatives. I ask her:
        - How is it in America? How does the population react to political events in the same Syria?
        - No way! They just go about their business and don’t think about politics at all! In this regard, you can not imagine how illiterate they are. Every year they’re getting dumber and dumber! They are taught in schools there.
        Well, for example, they think that only the USA alone won the WWII! That Russia did not fight at all in that war. That only the USA always and everywhere wins all wars in the world. And that Russia now is supposedly a free deserted territory, the wealth of which young Americans have yet to master in the future, as soon as they grow up. Syria? Yes, they don’t even know where it is.

        This I speak of the issue of American “soft power” in American schools in the USA itself, both in Washington’s domestic and foreign policy.
        This is the kind of information that is laid in American schools by American children about Russia! I wonder what in the USA they will say to American children about Kazakhstan? It’s even hard for me to imagine!

        Unfortunately, the older military generation - WWII participants - are gradually and inexorably passing away from life all over the world! Who will tell the present descendants of the truth about that war?
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 7 May 2018 10: 36
          +22
          Russia now is supposedly a free deserted territory, the wealth of which young Americans have yet to master in the future, as soon as they grow up.
          They can only master Russia as compost.
          1. Kent0001
            Kent0001 7 May 2018 19: 18
            +4
            support
          2. sapporo1959
            sapporo1959 8 May 2018 16: 54
            0
            So why should they still be soiled and mastered when theirs are not bad at mastering it already with money and there. Greetings from Medvedev and Kudrin!
        2. parma
          parma 7 May 2018 11: 11
          +9
          belay But can be more precisely in what part of the USA they teach this? Although by the way, probably you're right, for RUSSIA did not participate in that war, the USSR was then ...
          I have here completely different information that from the USA that from Canada! It was from acquaintances from the USA that I learned about Joseph Beyrle and about Vladimir Kuts, because their children were told about this at school ... Did you know about them? Well, they didn’t tell me at school or at the institute ... But the teacher at the institute kept repeating about the uselessness of the size of Lend-Lease deliveries, miserable battles with the Japanese and walking around Normandy ...
          1. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 7 May 2018 11: 58
            +13
            So compare the level of losses on both sides in different theaters of operations and in time, and it will become clear that you offer your friends from America ...
            1. parma
              parma 7 May 2018 12: 16
              +6
              And do you measure victory by losses (by the way, Japan’s losses are about 5 times more than US losses in the quiet if it matters to you)? Regarding victories and losses, we will take the WWI, the Western Front in 1914-1917, the trench warfare, hundreds of thousands of corpses, and not one side has the advantage in the war ... or we will go further - the civil war in the Roman Republic of Caesar against Pompey ... The latter was squeezed out of Italy without a single major battle ...
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              2. Tatyana
                Tatyana 7 May 2018 14: 13
                +11
                parma Today, 11: 11
                Although by the way, probably you're right, for RUSSIA did not participate in that war, the USSR was then ...
                This is your formal logical sophism - i.e. purely metaphysical approach from the point of view of philosophical methodology. With its help, world history is rewritten by the enemies of Russia, the USSR and the entire post-Soviet space about the heroic participation of Soviet people in the Second World War, WWII and their victory over German fascism.

                Well, what do you write and repeat after the current Americans?
                And the Russian Federation, in your opinion, is not the successor of the USSR after the Gorbachev bourgeois coup? The population and people in these territories where you wrote off?
                1. parma
                  parma 7 May 2018 14: 47
                  +5
                  Heiress and successor, no doubt ... But Ukraine and Belarus and Kazakhstan and all other republics also contributed ... It's just like you are rewriting history now — not the USSR, but Russia (as if inadvertently forgetting about other republics, they didn’t participate), and that the contribution of other countries of the Anti-Hitler Coalition was insignificant ... If you so want to single out Russia, say "Russia, or rather then the RSFSR, which is part of the USSR"!
                  And I didn’t see the answer to my other two questions, namely, did they tell you in educational institutions about people with such a significant (personally for me) and unusual fate as Joseph Beyrle and Vladimir Kuce? And in what nominal State do you teach how you say (what, but the curriculum in schools in the USA as far as I know is standard and even more than ours, the textbooks are the same, except for local history so to speak)?
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 7 May 2018 15: 07
                    +9
                    Quote: parma
                    Heiress and successor, no doubt ... But the contribution was made by Ukraine and Belarus and Kazakhstan and all other republics ...

                    You either poorly understood the essence of my comment from 09: 48. min., or just get out.
                    I talked about how our eyewitnesses told me there. Namely, specifically about what knowledge their children bring from the school there.
                    I graduated from school and universities for a long time. My second highest from 2000 of the year. The US contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany is well known to me.
                    1. parma
                      parma 8 May 2018 06: 44
                      +2
                      No, I understood your post well - "The Americans are damned imperialists, trying to conquer Mother Russia, and generally deleted us from their history textbooks," which I gave a more concrete example, which contradicts you and asked me to indicate at least the state where such textbooks ... But you, as the best propagandist, went from direct questions to "I studied for a long time and I don’t remember, but I know about their meager achievements" ...
                      My position is simple - one victory at all, regardless of participation (otherwise what France and China are doing in the UN Security Council)! The enemy is that for us, that for the Americans it was so implacable that the soldiers (and sometimes civilians) were ready to escape from captivity and fight even in a foreign army, not understanding the language of the new comrades!
                      In general, what a habit to leave the topic, the conversation was about the Republic of Kazakhstan and our relations with it, and it’s like with the Republic of Kazakhstan or Channel One in the style of:
                      -And what will your candidate do without a program when he wins the election?
                      -And if he does not win it will be like in the 90s! It will be like in Ukraine!
                      -And what steps will he take to solve ...
                      -Who didn’t download .. Oh, the one with Navalny votes, the one who does not vote with Navalny!
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 8 May 2018 08: 49
                        +2
                        parma
                        asked to indicate at least the state where such textbooks are.

                        State and city are not specifically indicated. A person will simply not be allowed into the USA later. You didn’t think about it. The USA is not Russia for you.
                        I assure you, the state and the city - everything is real. And I said a little about it. And about the world’s political maps for US students in this state, I’m generally silent. A schoolboy of the USA 5 years ago received a new atlas in which on the political map of the world there was neither the name of the Russian Federation itself, nor its cities - including neither even Moscow nor St. Petersburg - although all the smallest states of the world were indicated on the map with their names and capitals.
                        what a habit to leave the topic, the conversation was about the Republic of Kazakhstan and our relations with it,
                        There is no departure from the topic! Relations between Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation are always visible through the prism of relations between the United States and the Russian Federation, including the so-called soft power. In other words, through the "soft power" of the influence in relations between themselves of the main political actors in the world - the USA, the Russian Federation, China, etc. - to any other state national entity.
                        Kazakhstan is, not in a vacuum, but in a specific political environment, which is why it is forced to choose for itself the predominant political and economic partners. In this case, the choice is between Russia, China, the United States with its collective West, and even Turkey.

                        An actor is an acting subject (individual or collective); individual, social group, organization, institution, community of people committing actions directed at others.
                    2. YUG64
                      YUG64 9 May 2018 08: 34
                      +3
                      "The US contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany is well known to me." It would be nice for some gentlemen not to forget about the US contribution to the development and financing of pre-war Germany, especially the military-industrial complex ... Well, that’s definitely not taught in the States ...
                      1. Vladimir9591
                        Vladimir9591 25 June 2018 22: 13
                        0
                        Yes, and during the Second World War! It’s good to remember Sweden too!
                  2. naidas
                    naidas 7 May 2018 18: 53
                    +8
                    Quote: parma
                    namely, did they tell you in schools about people with such a significant (personally for me) and unusual fate as Joseph Beyrle

                    If in schools we only teach about Joseph Beyrle (who fought for 1 month in 1944 in the Red Army), then there will be no time left for the rest. There are more significant events - landing in Sicily, Lend-Lease, Normanie-Niemen, etc.
                  3. Slavs
                    Slavs 7 May 2018 21: 35
                    +11
                    Parma, I will disappoint you - the contribution of the coalition was insignificant. But there was) Do not worry. Let America be the best, just don’t worry ...)
                  4. anfil
                    anfil 8 May 2018 08: 34
                    +5
                    Well, on the same, what an achievement, in an American school they talk about a participant in WWII and about a famous athlete from the fifties ready. Isn't that why they are told that one American and another from the former republic of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic and how it is presented in the "wiki": Vladimir Kuts began to run in 1945 as a sailor of the Baltic Fleet (Estonian territories and rental territory of Porkkala-Udd, Finland).
                    And they do not teach about other MVM participants from the USSR there by chance, are they talking about the "Death Match" of the 1942 of the year?
                    1. parma
                      parma 8 May 2018 08: 48
                      0
                      That's what I’m talking about ... Complete ignorance and lack of knowledge ... You first read about Joseph Beyrle and you may understand that it was not about Vladimir Petrovich Kutz, but about Vladimir Terentyevich Kutz ...
                      But no, in Google it’s not in rotation, why read further than the first line
                      1. anfil
                        anfil 8 May 2018 09: 45
                        +10
                        I'd rather read about Alexei Petrovich Maresyev
              3. E_V_N
                E_V_N 7 May 2018 15: 23
                +17
                Quote: parma
                And do you measure victory by losses (by the way, Japan’s losses are about 5 times more than US losses in the quiet if it matters to you)? Regarding victories and losses, we will take the WWI, the Western Front in 1914-1917, the trench warfare, hundreds of thousands of corpses, and not one side has the advantage in the war ... or we will go further - the civil war in the Roman Republic of Caesar against Pompey ... The latter was squeezed out of Italy without a single major battle ...

                Victory is always one at all, only the contribution to victory is different for everyone. Contribution to victory is certainly not measured by losses, but defeated enemy units are measured. Based on this criterion, it turns out that the main contribution to the victory for the USSR is both in defeating Germany and defeating Japan.
                The second front in the summer of 1944 was no longer decisive. In the war with Japan, the United States fought with relatively small Japanese garrisons on small islands without landing even on the islands of Japan itself. Having defeated the millionth Japanese Kwantung army, the USSR inflicted more damage to the Japanese armed forces in 1,5 months than the United States in 4 years.
                And about Joseph Beyrle and about Vladimir Kutz .... everyone is a hero who fought, but what is especially extraordinary in the service in the US Army? The French fought on the Soviet front (Normandy-Niemen), the Poles as whole units, how are their merits lower than those of Beyrle and Kuts?
              4. Vladimir 5
                Vladimir 5 7 May 2018 15: 24
                +6
                You are talking about victory or about the hostilities. And do not confuse the Pacific battles with the battles at the European theater. At the Pacific Theater, the USSR entered the war at the final stage and occupied large territories with little blood. And at the European Theater, the Americans came to the end of the defeat of Germany and also occupied impressive territories with relatively little blood. Propaganda skillfully confuses and interchanges the basic concepts, and today it preaches a complete lie ... It is not surprising at the time of Wikipedia and "democratization" ...
          2. nickname7
            nickname7 8 May 2018 15: 35
            +1
            But about the worthlessness of Lend-Lease deliveries
            In fairness, Lend-Lease provided significant assistance, at least in that it reduced losses. But for the states, Lend-Lease was a salvation from depression.
        3. Normal ok
          Normal ok 7 May 2018 12: 25
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana
          They are taught in schools there. Well, for example, they think that only the USA alone won the WWII!

          If you ask Russian schoolchildren about this, the answers will be essentially the same, exactly the opposite. And most of them will not tell anything about Syria either.
          1. Antares
            Antares 7 May 2018 20: 37
            0
            Quote: Normal ok
            If you ask Russian schoolchildren about this, the answers will be essentially the same, exactly the opposite. And most of them will not tell anything about Syria either.

            it is a world practice not to know or confuse the answers, because for them history was an annoying and uninteresting subject in school. I saw how easy it was to confuse young people with one question - who defeated Hitler (and Stalin and Putin were chosen) and the second option was answered.
          2. YUG64
            YUG64 9 May 2018 08: 44
            +4
            Almost 80% of the most combat-ready German divisions were destroyed on the Eastern Front. Therefore, our students have the right to such an answer. It’s unlikely that the Americans are based on the same statistics. But why delve into such nuances, right ???
        4. Alber
          Alber 7 May 2018 13: 45
          +3
          Quote: Tatiana
          - How is it in America? How does the population react to political events in the same Syria?
          - No way! They just go about their business and don’t think about politics at all! In this regard, you can not imagine how illiterate they are. Every year they’re getting dumber and dumber! They are taught in schools there.

          Our education goes their way
      3. Joseph
        Joseph 17 May 2018 21: 15
        +1
        You’re mistaken, Kazakhstan, not Ukraine and not Kyrgyzstan, the Elbasy have been elected presidents for more than 20 years, in any other CIS country they have changed leadership many times, but never in Kazakhstan, just remember how the ancestors of the Kazakhs and Russians were kept in the SJ pose for 300 years, you forgot the lessons of the Horde, which gave the Russian princes labels for rule, we helped you build the country, defended you many times in wars, remember 28 Panfilov’s from the Kazakh division, after the collapse of the USSR, they supported you when the United States bent you so that you would not break and become in international battening prostitute, which was the Ukraine and Georgia! But Kazakhstan was tired of a stupid and not distant ally. Nazarbayev offered to first prepare, and then carefully begin to oppose the United States, no, you had to get into Syria. So soon you will be bent financially again, as under Yeltsin, and again you will suck at America! you see, pensions should be noticed, salaries are falling, inflation, you don’t need enemies, you will lower yourself!
        1. Vladimir9591
          Vladimir9591 25 June 2018 22: 18
          0
          here the Kazakh ally vomited. ! For another five Russian regions (Russian) answer!
        2. ver_
          ver_ 23 July 2018 11: 06
          0
          ..for especially gifted ones — tearing a shirt on themselves .. Mongolia was founded in 1920 .. Until that date there were no Mongols from the word in general — there were only Chinese .. And there was no Tataro - Mongol invasion - these are all the tales of Grandfather Lenin - Ulyanov = Blanca and his burry brothers .. Tatar = Khazarin = Hozak = Cossack - equestrian warrior .. - it always has been .. In 1920, Ulyanov = Blanc * re-christened the Volga Bulgars to the Tatars .. You need to know the story .. Altai Princess - the same it turned out to be a Slav .. And the frogs in the swamp beautifully croak about their great swamp ..
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    3. Serg65
      Serg65 7 May 2018 07: 21
      +28
      Quote: Vard
      Practice shows.

      laughing Practice shows that in general we have “no friends”, even the army and navy! Do not believe? Read the comments, it feels like only youngsters with the beginning of the brain process and old senility with the end of the brain process remain in VO!
      what It’s interesting, but if an article is thrown at VO, let’s say that the Far East wants to disconnect from the Russian Federation and gain independence, how many cries of “death to the Far East” will be in the comments?
      1. RelictEmpire
        RelictEmpire 7 May 2018 10: 04
        +8
        Do you relate yourself to the first or second, dear? Or, as an exclusivity, position yourself?
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 May 2018 10: 56
          +15
          Quote: RelictEmpire
          Or, as an exclusivity, position yourself?

          yes Of course I position myself !!! Every morning I’m standing by the mirror ... all people are like people, and I'm just like a god bully !
          Quote: RelictEmpire
          Do you relate yourself to the first or second

          what Not to the first and not the second, my thinker has not fallen off yet wink
          Before shouting “queen queen brothers” with foam at the mouth, stir the convolutions and think about where the smells are? And this stock from the Kazakh opposition site qamshy.kz! If the Kazakh bulkers warm your soul, then you are from the early unripe, but if you believe everything that the crow on the tail brought, then you are from the old farts ... you choose wink
          1. RelictEmpire
            RelictEmpire 7 May 2018 13: 24
            +4
            I thought so ... Therefore, to the exceptional.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 8 May 2018 07: 10
              +1
              Quote: RelictEmpire
              Therefore, to the exceptional.

              For especially dull, I repeat again. Yes! It’s not that exceptional and I’m not into cookies, I love champagne wink
      2. January
        January 7 May 2018 11: 45
        +6
        Sergey comments, like people here are different. It would seem an adult, and the post looks like a shovel of a well-known fertilizer on a fan ...
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 May 2018 12: 13
          +4
          Quote: ian
          Sergey comments, like people here are different

          Of course they are different, Ivan!
          Quote: ian
          It would seem an adult

          Of course, an adult and for this I think first, and then I say, and even more so I write!
          Quote: ian
          the post looks like a shovel of a well-known fertilizer on a fan

          what And if I started to blame the Kazakhs for the company with everyone, would I be normal?
      3. ver_
        ver_ 23 July 2018 11: 14
        0
        ... practice shows, you need to quack less about your greatness, very reminiscent of * little blood - a mighty blow * ... - I didn’t want to wash myself with blood ..., lost millions of people - I can’t stand commissars ..
    4. vkl.47
      vkl.47 7 May 2018 08: 34
      +4
      With such "friends" enemies are not needed
      1. Opera
        Opera 7 May 2018 11: 04
        +4
        Honestly, after reading the article, I had only one question - and which of our neighbors had pro-Russian power, which they overthrew ?! I don’t know such neighbors!
    5. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 7 May 2018 11: 54
      +5
      Only the question arises, why is this happening, why is the policy of today's government unchanged for decades constantly worsening relations with all states, even the most friendly ones (Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc.). Why is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other services so inert, which helplessness and inaction reflects the Lavrov muttering under his nose when he is presented with obvious lies and falsification ... Without changing the mossy and incapable of working senior executive power, we will constantly worsen both the external and internal state of the state .
      1. aba
        aba 7 May 2018 16: 58
        +3
        The only question is why
        Only business, nothing personal! (with)
        The Russian state does not have an ideology, a core and so that they do not forget, this fact is enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Therefore, the golden calf rules everything, and if he is fed up, he will be twitching at all kinds of Foreign Ministries and other budget-eaters.
        It is easier for our former brothers, they all sat on the hobby of nationalism, and many on Russophobia. They, unlike us, have at least something.
        In the current state of affairs in the state, in the government, the situation in Russia is unenviable - if that, then the color of the nation, financial support and the best minds of society will surrender the state for a bowl of stew and a warm place.
        Moreover, we have already gone through this.
    6. iouris
      iouris 7 May 2018 11: 55
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      We have no friends besides the army and navy ...

      How did these friends help the USSR survive or were we not?
    7. Vladimir Shpakov
      Vladimir Shpakov 7 May 2018 11: 55
      +1
      That's right, because you don’t have to be a hero Falalei from Dostoevsky.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 7 May 2018 16: 47
        0
        Oh, and far from the topic of the article! And the question is very difficult. Will the Kazakh society master the creation of a mono-national state ?! So far this is very far. That is why achievement of the purpose is doubtful. And let them, but there are still many of us. Yes, and chaos in the immediate vicinity of the borders is extremely undesirable. What to do? Interpret that you need to live together (not separately) - I do not see an opportunity.
    8. Zero Toul
      Zero Toul 8 May 2018 00: 43
      0
      It is not true, for the past century, as we have another faithful and reliable ally - aviation.
    9. Clear
      Clear 8 May 2018 00: 44
      +1
      And I alone can clearly see how in this article the comments set the people against each other?
    10. Arakius
      Arakius 8 May 2018 02: 40
      0
      Is it hard to be D'Artagnan?
    11. Joseph
      Joseph 17 May 2018 21: 02
      +1
      You already have no army and navy allies, what Kazakhstan was given to you? Nazarbayev warned not to go into Syria, this was a trap for a fool, Pukin climbed for the sake of ostentatious authority. Previously, he listened to Elbasy, created the CSTO, EAEC, the Shanghai Treaty, began to build the BRICS, so what ?! Vova climbed into Syria, they didn’t climb into Iraq, they surrendered everyone in Libya, but here Syria was given to you. And all projects to strengthen foreign policy positions failed. Money was poured into the war in Syria, which was not leaked and drank. Who needed it !? Now you are stupidly losing your cheap authority under the sanctions, they created something in the USSR, immediately classified it, and Pukin leaks info to the left, cheap populist, you will deal with him, and then give advice to Kazakhstan, Nazarbayev, the most experienced politician in the entire post-space of the USSR, he clearly assessed the situation and made a choice that is beneficial to the people of Kazakhstan!
  2. polpot
    polpot 7 May 2018 05: 53
    +14
    This thieving elite dreams of sitting out under an American roof, America is far away, rolled up once a year, brought the gifts and enjoy life, only two wonderful neighbors will decide otherwise when needed, the 7th US fleet will not help, but for now let it jump for two centuries, after his death, such a mess will go that we give in, we will envy the Uzbeks.
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  3. A good one
    A good one 7 May 2018 05: 54
    +16
    We began to prepare public opinion. In different ways. For all occasions.
    1. krops777
      krops777 7 May 2018 09: 16
      +5
      We began to prepare public opinion. In different ways. For all occasions.


      Yes, yes, Overton’s ek makarek window.
      For example, did you know that the Kazakhs have a saying: you are friends with the Russian - hold the ax in the bosom?


      This is from the same opera as the chants of the hohlonatsiks.
      1. Walking
        Walking 7 May 2018 12: 05
        +6
        For example, did you know that the Kazakhs have a saying: you are friends with the Russian - hold the ax in the bosom?


        Yes, there is no such saying among the Kazakhs. Why lie, the author has read on some site of nonsense and now speaks for all Kazakhs - this is a provocation. The Nazis also have a lot of things written, but not everything needs to be believed. Such articles and many comments do not contribute to a good relationship between people and countries. VO needs a more serious approach to the quality of articles and authors, and Military Review has already been blocked in Kazakhstan because of this.
        Now you have to look for workarounds.
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        2. Serg65
          Serg65 7 May 2018 13: 37
          +2
          Quote: Hiking
          the author has read on some site of nonsense

          This is a reprint from the Kazakh opposition website ALTINORDO https://www.altyn-orda.kz/esli-drug-okazalsya-vdr
          ug-chto-sulit-kazahstanu-druzhba-s-rossiej /
          which a certain Kuzokov is trying to pass off as his thoughts about Russian-Kazakh friendship!
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        3. Antares
          Antares 7 May 2018 20: 44
          +2
          Quote: Hiking
          VO needs a more serious approach to the quality of articles and authors, and Military Review has already been blocked in Kazakhstan because of this.

          This is according to Kasym (incitement, representation of Kazakhstan in a negative form ..).
          Oh, how I read ... Yes, in Ukraine then VO should have been banned a long time ago laughing ! And blocked VKontakte and classmates ... wassat Ours precisely do not understand nicherta in sausage scraps.
  4. Basil50
    Basil50 7 May 2018 06: 03
    +34
    It seems to me that there is only one reason for both Kazakh and Belarusian throwings. They are sure that with all the quacks, RUSSIA will still come to their aid. An example of Ukrainians before their eyes, where they raised their whole * independence * and fed the Nazis, they were looking for * adventures on .. *, but they still received help from RUSSIA. Even today, RUSSIA does not impose sanctions and ANYTHING against them, the same story with the Baltic states.
    RUSSIA against frankly Nazi regimes does not impose any sanctions or even trade does not prohibit. In Kazakhstan, it is difficult to raise your Nazis. The entire economy rests on the RUSSIAN-SPEAKERS, if they do not exist then there will be no industry. The Uzbeks tried to introduce special laws for RUSSIAN-speaking specialists. What it poured into is known.
    It is a pity that RUSSIA does not protect its own. Simply thrown to their own devices.
    Even in Chechnya RUSSIAN RUSSIA did not protect. Until now, Chechens are paid like tribute forgiving the genocide of the RUSSIANs.
    1. Sewer krainiy
      Sewer krainiy 7 May 2018 11: 24
      +4
      It seems to me that there is only one reason for both Kazakh and Belarusian throwings. They are sure that with all the quacks, RUSSIA will still come to their aid. Example Ukrainians before the eyes ...
      It seems to me that the reason is a certain wariness of Belarus in the throwing of the Russian "elite". Not to understand how tomorrow she will behave, in what direction she will move, whether she will leave us halfway. And the example of Ukrainians before their eyes ... surrendered Ukraine to the Americans, now there is war and chaos. I’m talking about the reasons for a certain wariness, but, in principle, I don’t see any Belarusian throwing towards Russia. Together with fraternal Russia, we Belarusians were looking for fortunately roads ... hi
      Today is the inauguration of the President of Russia, tomorrow a new Prime Minister will be named, there will be a new Government. Our peoples expect a lot ...
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 7 May 2018 11: 43
        +7
        BLESSED all these * brothers *. Only * GIVE * and nothing more, in response to * GIVE * promises to remember * brotherhood * and of course a reverent attitude to one's own * independence *. It turns out that only RUSSIA in these respects MUST, without an obligation on the other hand?
        I am offended by the fact that all these * fraternal ... * * lie, and they lie too finely, that the presidents, their representatives.
        Tolley is the United States’s business, they bombed Japan and Germany put their troops there and they don’t have more reverent and * disinterested * friends. So, is this the only way to create allies for yourself? In another way, that neither Belarus nor Kazakhstan agree to be allies?
        1. Sewer krainiy
          Sewer krainiy 7 May 2018 12: 14
          +1
          Tolley is the United States’s business, they bombed Japan and Germany put their troops there and they don’t have more reverent and * disinterested * friends. So, is this the only way to create allies for yourself? In another way, that neither Belarus nor Kazakhstan agree to be allies?
          So you are not my brother to you ... you are our warlike. Bombies in the toilet ...
        2. Basil50
          Basil50 7 May 2018 13: 21
          +2
          How many pi .... fishing. If we accept this logic on the accusation of RUSSIA and RUSSIAN, then why not only RUSSIANs, but also Belarusians and Kazakhs and other other people who leave from BR and from Kazakhstan?
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        1. Victor N
          Victor N 7 May 2018 17: 08
          +3
          No need to attract, lure anyone. It is necessary to build your own country, support your own people and not greet others - this is EVERYONE accessible. Those who want to live separately - got the flag in their hands: go! They abandoned the common Russian multinational culture - they feel worse: what are they left with? And what’s new, created, done ?! So understand between yourself ....
  5. jovanni
    jovanni 7 May 2018 06: 13
    +9
    You are friends with the Russian - keep the ax in the bosom!

    Yeah ... We need to come up with a continuation of the saying. Type: "... and if you are Russian yourself, take an example from the Americans - do not feed anyone cookies for nothing!"
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 7 May 2018 06: 42
    +9
    "Should we not lower the degree to the usual, quite friendly, but nevertheless purely commercial and economic cooperation without any political reverence and obligations there?" - In fact, it has been so long ago. Something is not heard about the Kazakh special forces in Ossetia, Syria, and Chechnya. And the Kazakhs had a hand with the NATO occupation regime in Iraq.
    After the catastrophe of the policy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine and the Donbass, it is pointless to fight for influence on the Kazakh steppes. We trade, do not fight - and okay. And already about 20 years it is time to introduce a serious program of resettlement of compatriots in Russia.
    1. Grits
      Grits 7 May 2018 09: 41
      +7
      And already about 20 years it is time to introduce a serious program of resettlement of compatriots in Russia.
      For me, it would be better to apply a program for the settlement of compatriots in the northern regions of Kazakhstan.
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 7 May 2018 09: 42
      +6
      And already about 20 years it is time to introduce a serious program of resettlement of compatriots in Russia.
      Or maybe the program of accession of Northern Kazakhstan?
      1. parma
        parma 7 May 2018 11: 55
        +2
        I’ll tell you a terrible secret, but in the south there are more educated Kazakhs and they are just better at Russians, because they’re used to at least doing some things, not just herds of herds (and who doesn’t know, most of the business without the Russians will fall apart). ..
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      2. Victor N
        Victor N 7 May 2018 17: 15
        +1
        Well, do not be so cool: relocate, attach ..
        It is necessary to support THERE for them, with ALL the power of the state, and not mumble, like the Foreign Ministry girls ......
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 7 May 2018 12: 31
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      And already about 20 years it is time to introduce a serious program of resettlement of compatriots in Russia.

      Damn, yes, such a program has been working for about ten years (google the topic). Only those who wished to use it turned out to be very few.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 7 May 2018 16: 11
        +1
        And not only "google", but as a resident of the Crimea already collected documents. But the conditions are not serious. In Israel, this question is more realistic. A person must receive housing for a long mortgage. Then we will get our people out of hostile states.
      2. Antares
        Antares 7 May 2018 20: 50
        +1
        Quote: Normal ok
        the program has been working for ten years now

        hanging at all consulates. The truth has stopped recently.
        Only these are the circles of Dante. (Hell, XI, 16-66)
  7. Sars
    Sars 7 May 2018 06: 59
    +12
    It is necessary to show a number of programs on Russian TV, especially for Kazakhs: How cultural Anglo-Saxons colonized America and how many Kazakhs would be now, if instead of a Russian colony they would become a British colony,
    what the Chinese did when they caught a Kazakh (who didn’t know, they cut off childbearing parts), how Kazakhs ate lice, how they cleaned wineskins with cockroaches, how they wiped their ass with their fingers, how their grandmothers in the center of the city could make excrement, etc.
  8. Nix1986
    Nix1986 7 May 2018 07: 05
    +8
    Well, that to Solovyov they put bucks in their underpants in the Kremlin, for a long time now it’s not news. And what sobsno the author expected from another sovereign state? He takes care of himself in 1 place, and why does he need to "fit in" for a country that has only banana republics from its allies, to which it actively writes off debts ?! The author’s high expectations.
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 7 May 2018 09: 14
      +5
      And who put you in his underpants to write this, it became unexpectedly interesting.
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 7 May 2018 09: 24
        +4
        Is it interesting to put grandmother on men in their underpants? You don’t want me, I’m married and I don’t even know such establishments, google something like "blue oyster" in your area, maybe you can find it. laughing
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 7 May 2018 09: 28
          +7
          Quote: Nix1986
          Well, that to Solovyov they put bucks in their underpants in the Kremlin, for a long time now it’s not news.


          This is a dialogue with myself, as I understand it.
          He himself wrote a statement, he was indignant, he himself talked to an intelligent man at the mirror.
      2. 72jora72
        72jora72 7 May 2018 09: 45
        +2
        And who put you in his underpants to write this, it became unexpectedly interesting.
        He is a disinterested, physiological urge of the soul laughing
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 7 May 2018 10: 09
          +2
          Altruist in hypertrophied form.
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 7 May 2018 17: 13
            +2
            Not tired of discussing me? Your king has already chosen an accomplice, forgive the prime minister, so go to the laborer, save the oligarchs laughing
            1. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf 7 May 2018 23: 02
              +2
              It has long been forgotten, who are you and where from?

              And what’s the main thing?
    2. ver_
      ver_ 23 July 2018 11: 35
      0
      .. I perceive Solovyov only as * in himself and for himself * -this is the principle of a mercenary - he adapts perfectly in any country and will be needed there .. He says - we are all half-breeds .., for them in any country there is a piece of bread. .
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 May 2018 07: 14
    +9
    we really begin to become interested in what is happening with our neighbors only after they overthrow the pro-Russian government
    To the point and even comments are not required.
    The CSTO allies are not going to get into the trenches with Russia. Including the most serious of them - Kazakhstan.
    I will express my personal opinion - do you need them in the “trenches” with your “multi-vector policy”? One gets the impression - Nazarbayev realized that today he won’t get any benefits from Russia, but he will appoint he sent his “vector” to the United States. And the calmer and money goals will be.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 7 May 2018 12: 39
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Nazarbayev realized that today he would not receive any benefits from Russia, but he would appoint him to send his "vector" to the United States. And the calmer and money goals will be.

      As a problem, on the site at once everything is united in the United States. Do you know that Russia has a “close friend” (about whom all enthusiastic comments are written here), i.e. China, Kazakhstan have more interests than the United States. And, the Chinese vector of politics in Kazakhstan is very strong.
  10. mavrus
    mavrus 7 May 2018 07: 16
    +13
    Still those friends. The number of Russian population declined by almost a third. 3 million Russians were forced to flee to Russia. And this despite the fact that in Kazakhstan there is a rapid population growth, due to the Kazakhs, respectively.
    During the collapse of the Union, the Russians made up 60℅ of the population of Kazakhstan, now less than 40℅, and after 10 years, less than 20 is forecasted. But our "Kazakh friends" are already unbearable ... The Russian language and the Russian alphabet are already banned.
    1. Severski
      Severski 7 May 2018 07: 47
      +3
      Your data is incorrect. Not Russian but Russian-speaking. In 89, Russians accounted for approximately 38%. Now somewhere around 25%.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 7 May 2018 09: 47
        +4
        Your data is incorrect. Not Russian but Russian-speaking. In 89, Russians accounted for approximately 38%. Now somewhere around 25%.
        Rave! But still keep your watch! soldier
        1. Severski
          Severski 7 May 2018 19: 38
          0
          Your nonsense is the official data of the censuses of the Soviet and Kazakhstan. Punch in Google at your leisure. Broadens the mind. I'll tell you even more. The earth is round.
    2. odometer
      odometer 7 May 2018 09: 11
      +1
      Do you like to carry nonsense?
  11. prapor55
    prapor55 7 May 2018 07: 33
    +1
    Quote: mavrus
    Still those friends. The number of Russian population declined by almost a third. 3 million Russians were forced to flee to Russia. And this despite the fact that in Kazakhstan there is a rapid population growth, due to the Kazakhs, respectively.
    During the collapse of the Union, the Russians made up 60℅ of the population of Kazakhstan, now less than 40℅, and after 10 years, less than 20 is forecasted. But our "Kazakh friends" are already unbearable ... The Russian language and the Russian alphabet are already banned.
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 7 May 2018 07: 41
      +4
      Well, the alphabet is not Russian, but on the basis of the Cyrillic alphabet. The worst thing is that mostly old people stayed there and when they showed a desire to become European, they can not oppose the titular nation. And this site there is blocked and the Russian spring, but not censor!
      1. odometer
        odometer 7 May 2018 09: 12
        +2
        The site is not blocked.
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 7 May 2018 09: 32
          +2
          was on vacation in December 2017 - unavailable!
          1. odometer
            odometer 7 May 2018 09: 42
            +1
            It is sometimes unavailable, I agree. And so no problem.
            1. Razvedka_Boem
              Razvedka_Boem 7 May 2018 11: 04
              +2
              Previously, there were many commentators from Kazakhstan, now there are none at all.
              Although it would be interesting to listen to them.
              1. Walking
                Walking 7 May 2018 12: 19
                +3
                The site is blocked, in particular because of such articles and comments are not entirely adequate. Therefore, our commentators have become less.
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            2. Togrul-Khan
              Togrul-Khan 7 May 2018 13: 14
              +3
              Site in Kazakhstan is blocked. Only through VPN can you enter. Somewhere
  12. parma
    parma 7 May 2018 08: 06
    +8
    I myself am from Kazakhstan, although I left many, many years ago and I know about the situation there now, it has not changed and has not changed all these 20 years since I left .. All the same is nationalism, attempts to create a great nation from nothing, although It’s in their heads ... As an example - every second banner on the road is an eulogy of the Khan, oh sorry president. But on the other hand, look at our foreign policy, I sometimes feel that the leadership rolls a dice every morning before doing something, it is so messy .. But at the same time, we will be honest with our neighbors quite tough, we impose our opinion. This is Kazakhstan (although it seems to me to replace it in a post with Belarus or anyone else in the CIS will also be) and is trying to keep "multi-vector" and wants to build its own national state and it can hurt to fly from Russia ... It was lucky for some Baltic states to get through to europe the Germans frolic there as they want, and they are encouraged for it ..
    Why am I doing this? And besides, either equality with the neighbors is necessary (which is prevented by the desire to be a superpower) or push harder (and we cannot do this, for now we only want to be big and strong, and there are a lot of neighbors).
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 7 May 2018 09: 28
      +6
      Quote: parma
      But at the same time, we will be honest with our neighbors quite tough, we are imposing our opinion.

      Rather, the opposite. Discipline of the "sovereign". In fact, most of the former republics are incapacitated. Unable to survive economically without handouts, unable to defend themselves militarily, with zero political authority.
      Quote: parma
      Here is Kazakhstan (although it seems to me that it will be replaced in a post by Belarus or anyone else in the CIS will be too) and is trying to keep "multi-vector" - and you want to build your own national state and it can hurt to fly from Russia.

      He can want anything. Most likely nothing will arrive from Russia, it will simply close its market - here is the economy and kirdyk. Welcome to subsistence farming.
      Quote: parma
      One Baltic was lucky - they managed to get through to the Europeans and frolic there as they want, and they are encouraged for it.

      Oh yeah. Only the promotion will end soon. There will be a broken trough.
      Quote: parma
      Why am I doing this? And besides, either equality with the neighbors is necessary (which is prevented by the desire to be a superpower) or push harder (and we cannot do this, for now we only want to be big and strong, and there are a lot of neighbors).

      This type of neighbors will give us money - and we love them for it? Guys, you can’t take money and other pleasant things and build yourself proud, equal and independent. So even ladies of easy virtue do not.
      1. parma
        parma 7 May 2018 09: 51
        +5
        Quote: Winnie76
        Quote: parma
        But at the same time, we will be honest with our neighbors quite tough, we are imposing our opinion.

        Rather, the opposite. Discipline of the "sovereign". In fact, most of the former republics are incapacitated. Unable to survive economically without handouts, unable to defend themselves militarily, with zero political authority.

        I’m about a little bit different now, let’s take Georgia and not in 2008, in the beginning of the 90s, on which side did we play then? And in 2008 we ourselves allowed the situation that happened, and when we didn’t like the outcome, we gave them the face .... It’s more likely that they didn’t dismiss, but we consider ourselves the first guy in the village, but we cannot be ...
        Quote: Winnie76
        Quote: parma
        Here is Kazakhstan (although it seems to me that it will be replaced in a post by Belarus or anyone else in the CIS will be too) and is trying to keep "multi-vector" - and you want to build your own national state and it can hurt to fly from Russia.

        He can want anything. Most likely nothing will arrive from Russia, it will simply close its market - here is the economy and kirdyk. Welcome to subsistence farming.

        A controversial moment ... Ukraine began to show off - Crimea left, and the LNR and DNR appeared on their net ... I certainly don’t say anything about deliveries, because at the very top they deny everything ... It's just a question of where so much camouflage and equipment made in Russia from militias (although I admit, you can buy in stores and flea markets), where did the production cords come from after 1992? In principle, all our neighbors can live without our market, another question is how good ...
        Quote: Winnie76
        Quote: parma
        One Baltic was lucky - they managed to get through to the Europeans and frolic there as they want, and they are encouraged for it.

        Oh yeah. Only the promotion will end soon. There will be a broken trough.

        We’ll wait and see ... I wouldn’t be in a hurry, I have been waiting for hunger in Ukraine for 4 years, and they are not starving reptiles, and even some go on vacation to Europe (I’ve recently seen it), although they live worse than before, and we by the way too ....
        Quote: Winnie76
        Quote: parma
        Why am I doing this? And besides, either equality with the neighbors is necessary (which is prevented by the desire to be a superpower) or push harder (and we cannot do this, for now we only want to be big and strong, and there are a lot of neighbors).

        This type of neighbors will give us money - and we love them for it? Guys, you can’t take money and other pleasant things and build yourself proud, equal and independent. So even ladies of easy virtue do not.

        And why are you transferring all money, is not enough for life? I mean that either we support each other in everything and take into account the opinions and interests of each other .. And we have problems with this, because we have already broken firewood, we have long been acting like an elephant in a china shop ...
        Or to build an analogue of the internal affairs department and keep everyone on a short leash .... But even here the trouble is, the old leash has long been lost, and we can’t economically don’t put on a new leash ... Yes, we climb into the leash to the hostages ...
        1. Opera
          Opera 7 May 2018 11: 24
          +5
          Quote: parma
          One Baltic was lucky - they managed to get through to the Europeans and frolic there as they want, but they are encouraged for it ..

          “I wouldn’t be in a hurry, I’ve been waiting for hunger in Ukraine for 4 years, but they are not starving, and even some people go on vacation to Europe (I’ve seen it myself recently), although they live worse than before, and by the way we’re ... . "is also your quote.
          I would really like to ask the author of these lines - have you been in the Baltic States and Ukraine for a long time ?! And yet, when you say that “WE” are waiting for a famine in Ukraine, who do you mean ?! WE who are waiting for hunger in Ukraine are you, your family and your environment ?! Well, you need to clarify. So write - we with family and friends have long been waiting for hunger in Ukraine! And then, after all, people might think that God forbid you, the citizens of Russia authorized to broadcast on their own behalf!
          As for how the Balts frolic in the EU, I will tell you. The wife's niece Katya, 21 years old in Dvinsk (Daugavpils), got acquainted in a factory - kitchen. Works at night, cuts salads, etc. all hands are cut up gets 200 euros with a penny! Her husband, his sister, brother, mother, father do not have work. Everyone lives together in an old house. My husband has a one-room apartment - rent out! The father receives a disability pension. That's what they live for. The kitchen garden also sells cigarettes by the piece at the Bus Station .. We help! My army friend lives in Lithuania. A small detail - they hide from relatives and friends that both he and his wife have work! This is a rare luck! They will envy ... And such a happy European life is in the vast majority of the Baltic states! Both citizens and non-citizens! It used to be happiness for them to leave for England or Ireland and receive social assistance, as they say, to live on social. But now the British are curtailing these programs - departing! And, in your words, happy Ukrainian vacationers are dumping! The Balts are very offended by them for this, they generally brought down prices for already low-paying jobs ...
          These are your words about the fact that some Ukrainians go on vacation to Europe and the Baltics were lucky this is completely according to Freud!)
          1. parma
            parma 7 May 2018 11: 36
            +1
            By "WE" - I mean news on TV and some individual visitors to the site (I personally do not really care whether or not Ukrainians are Tanzants) ... I have never been to Ukraine, but I talked to Rome exactly a month ago exactly the same tourists from Kiev .. The same married couple, the same engineers as we arrived in the same way ... life is not easy, there is no confidence in the future, it is difficult to find a job with a good salary, but they live ... Nothing does not remind?
            And by sporting balts, I had in mind the construction of a national state (with the deletion of Russian as a state) .. How they live there is not particularly interesting to me ..
            1. Opera
              Opera 7 May 2018 12: 07
              +4
              No, Ukraine does not remind me of anything! And on the news on TV about our expectation of hunger in Ukraine, I did not hear anything. Probably we are watching television in different countries. and if it makes no difference to you, what are the comments like? Boredom?
              1. parma
                parma 7 May 2018 12: 24
                +2
                Well, apparently you are watching a little news (although I myself do not remember when I watched them already), but they promised default of Ukraine already in 2015, and that they will not have gas, everyone will freeze to death in the winter .. And as for the fact that nothing reminds me- it's you in vain, we, too, have begun to live worse since the introduction of sanctions — a banal example of the price of a car in 2013 and today, but we are alive and somehow we live ...
                In general, the conversation was about Kazakhstan, I see a trend, a pattern of how all our neighbors slowly but surely crawl away from us, and as for me, it is not a matter of US politics, liquid masons or other universal evil, but precisely the unpredictability of our foreign policy , as I wrote above, namely But on the other hand, look at our foreign policy, I sometimes feel that the leadership rolls a dice every morning before doing something, it is so messy
                1. Opera
                  Opera 7 May 2018 13: 52
                  +4
                  "In general, the conversation was about Kazakhstan, I see a trend, a pattern of how all our neighbors slowly but surely crawl away from us, and as for me, it is not a matter of US politics, liquid masons or other universal evil, but precisely the unpredictability of our external politics, "
                  Well, why didn’t you crawl away for some reason ?! You live in Russia, as I understand it. Relax in Rome and quite tasty and full of criticism of the Russian government! So, in your example, I draw a logical conclusion: you strongly exaggerate the colors. By chance and without thinking, we will assume!)
                  And at the expense of Ukraine-Ukraine defaulted for a long time! You missed the news! If the inability to pay debts is not default then probably communism!))))))
                  1. parma
                    parma 7 May 2018 14: 33
                    +3
                    I am a man, not a state, I personally could not crawl away ..... This time ...
                    Secondly, I moved to Russia as a child (which, in principle, is not important), when the pressure of the local Kazakh population on Russian began, with the full support of the authorities — as an example, I went to RK in grade 1, in the class we had about 30% of Kazakhs and the rest are Russians (here I recorded both Russians, Ukrainians and even Germans, Caucasians in general, for me then there were only two divisions — Kazakhs and Russians). So, as the Kazakh language (national) was obligatory for study, so even the Kazakh children did not speak the “native” language! Which of the acquaintances later left and graduated from school there said that the ratio to release became the opposite! This is what I can call you as pressure on the non-Kazakh population (although I was still walking under the table, but I felt the pressure) ... Now that the streets, cities, villages, all (well, not all of course, but many) have been renamed, and sometimes in honor of those people whom you have to look for in the encyclopedia and you can’t always find it (in the sense of fame and greatness of activity, exaggerating, let’s say so, in honor of the 13th century nephew Hannah, who died in the first year of his life)
                    The same story with business — the court did not even consider very often cases when a Russian suffered at the hands of a Kazakh, but when on the contrary he almost believed a word ...
                    And as to the remoteness of Kazakhstan as a state from the Russian Federation, this may be due to the fact that we will do something and wait for support from Kazakhstan (and often we start to put pressure on it with displeasure), although the RK does not apply and even more so does not respond his interests ...
                    1. Opera
                      Opera 7 May 2018 16: 04
                      +3
                      It’s interesting how you think - we’ll do something and expect support from Kazakhstan ... Well, let’s give a small example about not supporting the resolution of Russia in the Security Council. It was Russia that lobbied Kazakhstan as a non-permanent member of the Security Council! Those. Kazakhstan in the Security Council in general was drawn precisely thanks to Russia. Do you think in general we should have expected something or not? Such world political practice and life in general is such news to you ?! This is what we are unhappy about pushing Kazakhstan ?! The Kazakhs wanted to switch to hieroglyphs, but we forced them to the Latin alphabet ?! I’m not talking about some kind of historical gratitude from Kazakhstan for its statehood, although why should we actually be modest - we must remember and remind both of northern Kazakhstan and the situation of Russians. But for you it’s interesting - it turns out the first guy Russia in the village or not the first guy, or maybe not the first guy, or maybe we like that, or maybe like that ... You yourself in your position can at least determine more precisely?
                2. Opera
                  Opera 7 May 2018 17: 14
                  +3
                  It's a funny situation!) A family of engineers from Russia, somehow living under sanctions of the West, met by chance in Rome))))) with the same poor family from Ukraine (why Ukrainians are not living well ...)))). In short, the engineers talked for life, rehashed, and again discussed the difficulties of Russian-Ukrainian life! Shorter feared! I have just a couple of questions. You are not going to Geneva in speed? And what kind of newspaper didn’t you agree to release? Well, there is a "New Spark" or "Right Maidan?" Of course, a dangerous trend!
                  1. parma
                    parma 8 May 2018 06: 19
                    0
                    If you did not notice, I just said that in Ukraine they live worse than before, but we also live worse than in 2013! To be more precise, re-read this in the post above. I have never been to Ukraine, but exactly a month ago I talked in Rome with exactly the same tourists from Kiev .. The same married couple, the same engineers as we arrived in the same way ... life is not easy, there is no confidence in tomorrow, it’s hard to find a job with a good salary, but they live ... Doesn’t it remind you of anything?!
                    Stop twirling my words as you please and “rephrase” as you wish!
                    If you cannot go on vacation once a year or two, this is purely your problem, because the money is not that big ...
                    Regarding Kazakhstan and its membership in the Security Council, I apparently do not understand something ... What gives membership in it other than the right to vote? If nothing, then the logical question is - why should the RK vote as we need (and such a vote does not meet their interests) just because of the right to vote? Just an example - if, once again, when you address the President, they give you the floor, but with the condition to tell a lie (well, let's say it is exaggerated to thank the President for the best roads in the world), will you agree?
              2. Normal ok
                Normal ok 7 May 2018 12: 46
                +6
                Quote: Oper
                And on the news on TV about our expectation of hunger in Ukraine, I did not hear anything

                Yes, here at VO they write about this for 4 years, every month: Ukrainians sold black earth, cut up plants, import imported products, the country is about to fall apart and everyone will start to starve. And this nonsense, in VO, as a rule, in good form.
                1. Opera
                  Opera 7 May 2018 13: 58
                  +3
                  Not cut and not sold ?!))))) Well, let them be healthy! I sincerely wish them a further rich life and speedy adoption in the EU! Well, we ask the normal Russian people for mercy - we will live - live on and make good!)
                2. Antares
                  Antares 7 May 2018 21: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Normal ok
                  Yes, here at VO they write about this for 4 years, every month: Ukrainians sold black earth, cut up plants, import imported products, the country is about to fall apart and everyone will start to starve.

                  it’s difficult to maintain the image of #VychotitekaknaUkraine, but you need something to distract people from similar events in their country. Ours are also doing the same. It’s interesting to watch when the media and officials almost immediately nod at the neighbor (or at the West West)
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 7 May 2018 12: 43
          +4
          Quote: parma
          And we have problems with this, because we have already broken firewood, we have long been acting like an elephant in a china shop ...

          Plus. Along the way, one adequate commentator on VO became more.
        3. ver_
          ver_ 23 July 2018 11: 46
          0
          ... if there is no benefit - there is no business ..
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  13. vlad007
    vlad007 7 May 2018 08: 52
    +5
    About $ 22 billion of Kazakhstani money frozen in the USA, there is not a word in the article, but this is a serious factor. It is not necessary to analyze publications in the media, but the real economic situation, and not a word about this in the article.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 7 May 2018 09: 01
      +1
      This is the main factor.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 7 May 2018 09: 51
        +4
        This is the main factor.
        No. it most, the main factor laughing
    2. Grits
      Grits 7 May 2018 09: 48
      +2
      As I understand it, it was with these 22 billion greens that the Americans spun Nazabraev’s testicles. He is now afraid of jerking against them - suddenly something comes off ...
  14. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 7 May 2018 09: 00
    0
    CSTO allies are not going to get into the trenches with Russia.
    But people taking Russian citizenship will climb.
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 7 May 2018 09: 38
      +1
      people stand in queues, a la the USSR at consulates, the procedure is very long and tedious, well, for refusing a blue passport you have to give a certain amount in US tenge.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 7 May 2018 09: 49
        0
        This is a test. Really want to be a citizen of the Russian Federation or not.
  15. vladikod
    vladikod 7 May 2018 09: 31
    +7
    In principle, in relation to Kazakhstan and its “wide jumps (multi-vector, but essentially filling the price before selling to the Anglo-Saxons”) in Russia there is a repetition of the “Ukrainian passed” ... Which, unfortunately, almost did not teach the political leadership of Russia . To what extent does this relate to Vladimir Putin personally time will tell ...
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 7 May 2018 09: 52
      +1
      Putin wants the Ukrainians, Balts, Kazakhs, Eastern Europe to eat the fill of a happy life without Russia.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 7 May 2018 12: 53
        +2
        Quote: hhhhhhh
        Putin wants the Ukrainians, Balts, Kazakhs, Eastern Europe to eat the fill of a happy life without Russia.

        Firstly, Russia loses no less from this and the Russians do not increase their “happiness”. And secondly, after some time, the countries of your choice will have already passed the return point.
  16. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 7 May 2018 09: 48
    +3
    It seems that it has long been clear that Vladimir Vladimirovich, unlike his predecessors, is a quite decent person who can be imagined in this social structure. He keeps his word, does not turn his back to the thugs (this can be dealt with). (Please do not consider this a panegyric to the personality)
  17. Alex66
    Alex66 7 May 2018 10: 01
    +3
    Kazakhstan borders on the one hand with China, on the other with Russia the rest of the countries are not large and it needs to decide who it is with. Ideally, he should become a bridge between us and just live like Ukraine on a pipe. But apparently he cannot see a calm and well-fed life as long as there is a USA whose graters are with us and China. The blue dream of sowing a mess near the Kazakhs, placing their bases there and spoiling the neighbors around. Only this is not promising if the USA won, the Kazakhs are not needed, take a look at the Indians on the reservations, if we win, nobody likes traitors anyway.
  18. Berkut24
    Berkut24 7 May 2018 11: 28
    +2
    we really begin to become interested in what is happening with our neighbors only after they overthrow pro-Russian power there. So it was even with Ukraine ...

    Hello, come. The authorities of all the former republics since 1991 said "we are not some kind of Russia there." Especially in Ukraine. There was not a single pro-Russian politician there.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 7 May 2018 12: 54
      +3
      Quote: Berkut24
      There was not a single pro-Russian politician there.

      And why should pro-Russian politicians be in other countries? A politician should defend the interests of his country only.
      1. Height
        Height 11 May 2018 23: 17
        0
        And why shouldn't they be there? And, well, yes, in Ukraine there are only pro-Ukrainian politicians, there are no pro-American politicians, honestly, honestly, I swear by my mother. Because the comment must be adequate. (with). In Ukraine - only pro-Ukrainian politicians, that's it.
  19. seacap
    seacap 7 May 2018 11: 44
    +1
    Another result of the criminal inaction of our respective services and government agencies, i.e. 1 in 1 is the same as on the outskirts. It already looks like systematic sabotage and anti-state activity. I will never believe that on its territory, working in extremely favorable conditions, practically with its own population, it was impossible to keep the elites and sentiments of the people under the most severe control and influence. Non-interference in other people's affairs is a pathetic attempt to cover up your lack of professionalism, inaction, and often a direct interest in such a development with a fig leaf. By the way, why no one raises the issue of illegally annexed Russian lands to Kazakhstan and other republics, that this is a crime against Russian statehood again covered by the notorious political correctness, under the guise of which the most serious crimes were committed against our people?
  20. macgyver
    macgyver 7 May 2018 11: 46
    +2
    Anglo-Saxons slowly squeeze them. And so, in general, American researchers placed Nazarbayev in the list of members of the “Deep State” under number 259 with a note (Clinton Foundation, UrAsia, Uranium One).
    So "friend, it turned out to be all of a sudden ..."
    http://pravosudija.net/article/glubinnoe-gosudars
    tvo-tenevoe-pravitelstvo-ssha-spisok
  21. Maddanat
    Maddanat 7 May 2018 11: 53
    +12
    I'm from Kazakhstan. I think that all this is another provocation. In any nation there are those who hate any other nation except their own. I want to refute the fact that the Russian language is prohibited in the KZ. Russian comes with the local second official language. There are 50% of Russians in my team and no one is going to leave for Russia and everyone speaks Russian, the director is Kazakh. Many interethnic marriages. And let's not ... who would be Kazakhs without Russians, we will not recall the Holoshekino genocide, Kazakhs are lousy and uncultured. In any nation there are just sluts and idlers !!! There were also many Kazakhs in WWII and on May 9 we also hold an immortal regiment. And this proverb is nonsense, never heard. Kazakhs are friendly and hospitable people! In my opinion, the "scent" comes from the part of the heavenly side, which in a dream sees the lands and natural resources of Kazakhstan ... And in order to avoid friends and neighbors, we must quarrel them ...
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  22. antiexpert
    antiexpert 7 May 2018 11: 56
    +3
    Kazakhs never had their own statehood. And statehood is something that does not lie on the street, and is not acquired at the bazaar. This is what has been created for centuries. Statehood is the ability of an ethnic group to create a sustainable social system that has the ability to withstand external governance. Everything, absolutely all parts of the USSR, in principle, are not capable of this. Therefore, they have little choice: either to bow to the Russian Federation, or to the USA, or to the global global plutocracy. The most stupid choose the path in which they are torn to pieces by all these three forces. And China is, unfortunately, a formation that is not yet capable of independent existence.
  23. iouris
    iouris 7 May 2018 11: 59
    +2
    Some kind of heading ... Russophobic, or something. What did the author want to tell us? Kazakhstan became an independent and non-poor state thanks to the "Russians." It was the “Russians” who ordered Kazakhstan to roll away so as not to “feed the outskirts”. Or did the "Russians" forget the slogans of 1990-91?
  24. garnik
    garnik 7 May 2018 12: 47
    +1
    The back of the head had to be scratched when most of the CIS countries in their history textbooks positioned Russia as invaders of their lands. To be in the union, common interests were needed, and Kazakhstan had no enemies, they were afraid of their DNI and LC, as their government official said .. And In general, Turkey is closer to Kazakhstan than Russia. And we help in their pursuit. wink
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 7 May 2018 23: 47
      +1
      Someone else's experience seems to never teach anyone anything. Well, we’ll be watching your race on the rake of Pan-Turkism.
  25. Imobile
    Imobile 7 May 2018 13: 14
    +2
    Quote: Vard
    Practice shows ... We have no friends except the army and navy ...

    If we don’t have common sense in domestic and foreign policy, then yes. We will never have friends except the army and navy.
  26. intuzazist
    intuzazist 7 May 2018 13: 54
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    Unfortunately, the older military generation - WWII participants - are gradually and inexorably passing away from life all over the world! Who will tell the present descendants of the truth about that war?

    Current young people will tell American descendants about the war! Well, those who are lucky to survive in Mexico and Brazil! Yes, and it will not be North Americans, but some other ...................................
  27. midshipman
    midshipman 7 May 2018 13: 56
    0
    Vietnam showed with whom along the way. Forgot?
  28. ibirus
    ibirus 7 May 2018 16: 26
    0
    Years will pass, the Hegemon will change, and then these multi-vector friends of ours will remain alone with their problems. And then we will ask them a hundredfold. These are not friends or allies, these are vassals that must be kept while it is beneficial to Us. If not, go for free bread. They will meet you there.
  29. Tektor
    Tektor 7 May 2018 17: 06
    +1
    Kazakhstan is entering a period of instability. A big problem is brewing for them with the stability of the national currency, tenge, and banks began to fall. Elbasy wanted to slip out of the grasping arms of China and Russia, and hoped for state mediation. And then he suddenly discovered that the "intermediary" suddenly became the "master", and Kazakhstan - the dish. And nothing can be done. Wang, that we are observing the last days of a united Kazakhstan: further - according to the instructions for the Maidan.
  30. staskrav.sk7
    staskrav.sk7 7 May 2018 18: 57
    0
    There is an old joke about Kazakhs. The sniper shouts: “Vanya!” Vanya leans out and yells in response: “Cho?”. There is no clap for Vanya. Then Vasya, Petya is the same story. Kazakh sits and prays: "Only not Asilbek!" In general, Kazakhs are good guys and there are shit among them, as elsewhere, and Nursultan Abishevich is a very wise Kazakh, hence the "multi-vector", seeks to improve the life of his people. He does not need to build, or return to the "former greatness" of Kazakhstan.
  31. staskrav.sk7
    staskrav.sk7 7 May 2018 19: 15
    0
    They all have gas and oil and gold and rarely land metals. And Kazakhs are a little more than 18 million. We have more guests in the "non-rubber" guests. So think how Kazakh? And on what way are these Russians to us? Everything is quite explainable.
    1. dali
      dali 10 May 2018 16: 04
      0
      Quote: staskrav.sk7
      They all have gas and oil and gold and rarely land metals. And Kazakhs are a little more than 18 million. We have more guests in the "non-rubber" guests. So think how Kazakh? And on what way are these Russians to us? Everything is quite explainable.

      They have something, but who will give them ... laughing
      Just a little bit and the bowels and the earth will not even belong to the "Kakha elite" ... laughing
      At one time, the Ukrainian SSR said that they feed everyone here, especially the RSFSR ... but in the end they even import fat into everything ...
  32. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 7 May 2018 20: 18
    +2
    There was no Kazakhstan before Stalin. From the word at all. And now we have a big problem in the south ... bully
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 7 May 2018 23: 30
      0
      Take it easy. When you pinch the eggs behind the Puddle, you still remember the universal values ​​and the threat from the north. And here is Stalin. Did you know Estonia or Finland until 1918? I feel sorry for you.
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  33. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 May 2018 22: 53
    0
    the northern neighbor, trapped in the grip of sanctions, is looking for new markets for its products and sees Kazakhstan only as such a market and its raw materials appendage.
    [Quote] [/ quote]
    A smart person talks about prospects, a dumb person thinks about omissions.
    If Europe destiny has given up the tail of such a prospect of freedom .....
  34. BOPOH50
    BOPOH50 7 May 2018 23: 38
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    The process of tearing away Astana from the Russian Federation has already been launched, and it is far from the fact that the “soft power” of Russia at least this time can get the better of the “cookies” of the US State Department.

    By the way, let us turn to the issue of “soft power” of the USA itself in the USA itself ..

    The other day, a friend returned from the United States. She was there for a long time visiting relatives. I ask her:
    - How is it in America? How does the population react to political events in the same Syria?
    - No way! They just go about their business and don’t think about politics at all! In this regard, you can not imagine how illiterate they are. Every year they’re getting dumber and dumber! They are taught in schools there.
    Well, for example, they think that only the USA alone won the WWII! That Russia did not fight at all in that war. That only the USA always and everywhere wins all wars in the world. And that Russia now is supposedly a free deserted territory, the wealth of which young Americans have yet to master in the future, as soon as they grow up. Syria? Yes, they don’t even know where it is.

    This I speak of the issue of American “soft power” in American schools in the USA itself, both in Washington’s domestic and foreign policy.
    This is the kind of information that is laid in American schools by American children about Russia! I wonder what in the USA they will say to American children about Kazakhstan? It’s even hard for me to imagine!

    Unfortunately, the older military generation - WWII participants - are gradually and inexorably passing away from life all over the world! Who will tell the present descendants of the truth about that war?

    That's right, they live like that in all countries, and we are not an exception, we not only don’t know the history of at least neighboring countries, but we also know our own with a stretch of our nose, but we are very offended when few people know about our country.
  35. doka
    doka 7 May 2018 23: 39
    0
    It’s necessary to introduce a golden ruble, it will be fun in how many allies will appear in RUSSIA,
  36. Bigbraza
    8 May 2018 03: 13
    0
    Quote: Zero Toul
    It is not true, for the past century, as we have another faithful and reliable ally - aviation.

    More RVSN. But this is nagging.
  37. Whitesnow
    Whitesnow 8 May 2018 06: 18
    0
    The crises of recent times have clearly shown only one thing: we really begin to become interested in what is happening with our neighbors only after they overthrow the pro-Russian government.
    I would like an example of such an overthrow.
  38. staskrav.sk7
    staskrav.sk7 8 May 2018 07: 20
    0
    Quote: doka
    It’s necessary to introduce a golden ruble, it will be fun in how many allies will appear in RUSSIA,

    I completely agree with you. But one wanted to introduce a gold dinar relatively recently and his country is now in ruins. If we enter into ruins because of this despicable metal, the whole planet will turn out to be. Therefore, we do not introduce the gold ruble.
  39. staskrav.sk7
    staskrav.sk7 8 May 2018 07: 22
    0
    Quote: Whitesnow
    The crises of recent times have clearly shown only one thing: we really begin to become interested in what is happening with our neighbors only after they overthrow the pro-Russian government.
    I would like an example of such an overthrow.

    Yes, any number from Moldova to Uzbekistan
    1. Whitesnow
      Whitesnow 15 May 2018 19: 21
      0
      And what was the pro-Russian government in Moldova? Or is Dodon there power? Yes, it seems he has not yet been moved.
      And who was pro-Russian in Uzbekistan? Karimov? And not his enemies overthrew him, but Allah called to account. With his permission, Islam Abduganievich lived to be 78 years old. Not everyone is given this way in life.
      What other examples of pro-Russian authorities do you give? Yanukovych? Three times HA. And if he is kept in Russia, it is not because he is pro-Russian, but because there are plans for him.
  40. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 8 May 2018 09: 19
    +1
    The rejection of ideology as a principle of politics is the result of the loss of old allies and friends and not the desire of new ones to be friends, let alone allies.
  41. The poor man
    The poor man 8 May 2018 09: 23
    +2
    Dependents lived all the time at the expense of Russia. They got freedom, but they don’t know how to do anything. Again, Russia is to blame, attention regrets them, does not feed them. Maybe it’s enough to moan the “allies”, it’s time to take up the matter and impose our own well-being. And no one will do it for you: neither brother, nor matchmaker, nor American.
  42. parma
    parma 8 May 2018 09: 38
    0
    Tatyana,
    Ah, it is clear .. Again, in this vein, the mythical Jewish masons will not let go, they will shoot mythical acquaintances for the fact that You will name the mythical STATE and CITY where you are taught not as it should be, but as you say ... Apparently you just have no more arguments ... Of course, there won’t be any pictures of these cards either (5 years have passed! Nobody knows about this except you, the iron curtain) ? Well, we are expecting from you further revelations of reptiloids from the cycle "I will tell you in confidence, but you believe and do not double-check" ... I think the topic of education in the USA can be closed, because you have nothing except words ...
    Regarding Kazakhstan and relations - and in all my posts in this thread I say that the neighbors (and here not only the Republic of Kazakhstan) choose which side to take, and which side they don’t have or do not keep at all ... And wait for them to they will support us only because we are neighbors or, moreover, once they were part of the Republic of Ingushetia, and then the USSR is simply stupid ..
  43. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 8 May 2018 10: 01
    +10
    I was born and raised in Kazakhstan. Now I live in Russia. Relatives stayed there. Nobody presses and represses them there. Of course, there are graters with the local authorities, but the same picture in Russia. This is not widespread. There are single There are people on this and this side of the border who are trying to throw seeds of discord between peoples for their own mercenary purposes. They are all trying to sow the wind and then to shake the storm. They must be distinguished immediately and in no case should they be trusted. Kazakhstan is also sovereign now country and leads its own she shouldn’t dance politics all the way to the tune of others. First, they ruined a common country and now everyone has their own ideas and nothing can be done about it. And the Kazakhs are nice and hospitable people. Now you can find a Kazakh on any submarine in Russia. This says that they serve decently. Lots of them live in Russia and serve in the Russian army. And we fought for Russia at the present time. And I hope that we were our ally and will remain so. We must maintain good neighborly relations in every possible way and not be fooled by all kinds of provocations with legs grow in Washington
    1. odometer
      odometer 8 May 2018 10: 18
      +2
      One of the rare sensible comments on the site, about Kazakhstan.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 8 May 2018 12: 13
      +1
      But it must be mutual.
      Of course, you can close your eyes to many things: not to tell a friend that the fly is open - so as not to be offended ...
  44. parma
    parma 8 May 2018 10: 03
    0
    Quote: anfil
    I'd rather read about Alexei Petrovich Maresyev

    Aleksey Petrovich, of course, there is no doubt a hero, but it’s a pity that many other heroes who made no less in a similar situation are forgotten against his background, only in the USSR one can name a couple of dozen pilots such as Lyubimov Ivan Stepanovich or Sorokin Zakhar Artemovich (also Heroes of the Soviet Union) .. .
    Well, not the most popular topic, the first (as far as I know) disabled pilot in WWII Douglas Robert Stuart Bader ...
    But yes, why educate yourself ... Name pairs on TV spinning will be enough ...
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 8 May 2018 12: 18
      +1
      We honor our heroes. There were a lot of them, everyone does not remember everyone, but together we remember - Immortal regiment!
  45. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 8 May 2018 11: 33
    +1
    Kazakhs wanted American cookies in no way. In vain, in vain. look again at Ukraine, the same will happen to you, you are multi-vector from Yelbashi. And if he continues on and on, he will run away as Ukrainian President Yanukovych.
  46. Adam7
    Adam7 8 May 2018 12: 21
    0
    laughing how many political scientists are there laughing
  47. Omsk
    Omsk 8 May 2018 15: 13
    0
    [quote = parma] No, I understood your post well - "Americans are damned imperialists, trying to conquer Mother Russia, and generally deleted us from their history textbooks", which I gave a more concrete example, contradicting you and asked to indicate though there would be a staff with such textbooks ... But you, as the best propagandist, have gone from direct questions to "I studied for a long time and I don’t remember, but I know about their meager achievements" ...
    My position is simple - one victory at all, regardless of participation (otherwise what France and China are doing in the UN Security Council)!
    1. Omsk
      Omsk 8 May 2018 15: 16
      +1
      enlighten pzhl what France did for the Victory? I thought that she was included in the list of winning countries at the insistence of Stalin ...
  48. NF68
    NF68 8 May 2018 15: 23
    +2
    It is hardly worth considering that the entire population of Kazakhstan treats Russia badly. Violent and very violent in any country is enough.
  49. master2
    master2 8 May 2018 15: 26
    +1
    "since Vladimir Solovyov, according to Kazakh analysts," does not say a word "without an indication from the Kremlin," is this a secret? There still Kiseleva needs to be attributed.
    1. NF68
      NF68 9 May 2018 14: 03
      +1
      Quote: master2
      "since Vladimir Solovyov, according to Kazakh analysts," does not say a word "without an indication from the Kremlin," is this a secret? There still Kiseleva needs to be attributed.


      It is unlikely that all Kazakh analysts adhere to this opinion. And ordinary people are also affected.
  50. akunin
    akunin 8 May 2018 17: 17
    0
    Russia's "soft power" at least this time will be able to get the better of the "cookies" of the US State Department.

    Now is the time for cookies, so that they need to revive their economy, take care of their people, and this is much more difficult than bullet in Syria
    on malice:
    floods affected tens of thousands of Russians
    fires caught fire burning taiga, burning weeds
    Prime Minister convenes the Council of Ministers to overcome problems
    The composition of the decision was adopted quickly: should we help Syria!
    something like this.