According to the plans. 31-th separate Guards DSHB reformatted into 104-th Guards DSD

By 2023, in accordance with the construction plan of the Airborne Forces, it is planned to reorganize the 31-th separate Guards air-assault brigade into the 104-th Guards air-assault division, said on Saturday the head of the Duma defense committee Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov.

Today, when the plan for the construction of the Airborne Forces to 2030 has been approved, we should expect that by the 25 anniversary of the brigade in 2023 we will revive the 104 th assault division which plans to occupy three cities - Ulyanovsk, Penza and Orenburg

- said Shamanov.

We will also revive the legendary 345, which successfully carried out combat missions in Afghanistan. It will be a tribute to the heroism and heroism of these wonderful people.

- added the head of the committee.

Shamanov noted the crucial role of 31 brigade personnel in the fact that “polite people” began to be called servicemen in Russian society.

You did this by returning Crimea to your native harbor

- stressed the head of the State Duma Committee, addressing paratroopers standing in line at a solemn meeting on the occasion of the 25 anniversary of the redeployment of the XNUM Guards Airborne Order of Kutuzov Second Division from the Republic of Azerbaijan to Ulyanovsk and the 104 anniversary of the formation of the succession of XUMNUM a separate Guards air assault brigade.

I bow to you, success in military and political training and faith in the future of Russia

- Shamanov wished.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

Again increase the strength of Uncle Vasya (Airborne Forces). So it is numb to "partners".

[cniza]

Quote: oleg-gr

Again increase the strength of Uncle Vasya (Airborne Forces). So it is numb to "partners".

Otherwise, "partners" can not be reasoned.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: cniza

do not reason.

If by "reason" it means savory plop in lobatin - I agree.

[cniza]

They do not understand other methods and methods.

[bouncyhunter]

This is not even discussed. I do not want to compare their psychology with the gopniks again.

[cniza]

And they don’t cost another, you can safely ...

[bouncyhunter]

If you come across a gopot, you know: give their leader a portrait - the rest are immediately lost and go out.

[Evgeniy667b]

Taburetkin didn’t feed out formations, schools from a great mind! The main thing is to keep within the plan. And the fact that the Orenburg "Anti-aircraft gun" trained officers for the ground forces. And what kind of people! Hero of Russia Prokhorenko, he studied there! 15 guards etc. from the Czech city of Milovice to Chebarkul. Operation Danube and the Chechen company didn’t let us down! 10 Ural-Lviv Guards. etc! ....

[onix757]

He didn’t do it from his mind. The main task of stripping was the abolition of the traditions of the SA and the succession of generations in the Armed Forces

[AID.S]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

And the fact that the Orenburg "Anti-aircraft gun" trained officers for the ground forces. And what kind of people!

Did we have at least one military school without a glorious history and graduates?

[demo]

In response to the reconstruction of the US 2nd Fleet, we responded by re-creating the 104th Air Assault Division.
I have the opinion that this is not an answer, in general, to attacks and threats of the West.
The Russian leadership in the person of Putin is looking for the most reliable "points of support" in society. And these cornerstones can only be the heroic past of our people.
And this is the right decision.
And if it were possible to recreate all previously known and thundering throughout the Union military units, then ............ then this is not worth dreaming about.
Another time, other challenges.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: demo

In response to the reconstruction of the US 2nd Fleet, we responded by re-creating the 104th Air Assault Division.

We, in return, better show something
For example, here it is in Kaliningrad

[leo3972]

For Uncle Vasya

[73bor]

Very timely, we must accordingly form another BTA regiment!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: oleg-gr

Again increase the strength of Uncle Vasya (Airborne Forces). So it is numb to "partners".

No crazy monkey will jump on the strong and courageous. weak and cowardly slop cat bites! It is necessary, necessary to be strong and courageous ... Our country has such a fate! In Sevastopol, even in case of danger, kittens take arms in their paws!

[jovanni]

I bow to you, success in military and political training and faith in the future of Russia
- Shamanov wished.

I join the combat general. You can’t tell better ...

[Storming the Washington]

having breakfast in Riga; having lunch in Berlin urgent need to build additional fountains

[Eduard petrov]

... success in combat and political training ...

Decades pass, and we are still preparing “politically”. And so we live in the past without hope for a brighter future.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

And so we live in the past without hope for a brighter future.

Oh, trouble is a disaster ... So, after all, it is not far from suicide.

[Ropusk]

If this misunderstanding leaves our bright world (it would be nice to have no posterity yet), the world will breathe a sigh of relief. 2018 Darwin Award.

[Hire]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

And so we live in the past without hope for a brighter future.

Why are you tormented? Refer to the experience of Europe. There have long been invented euthanasia.

[Pissarro]

And in the bright future will everyone be politically illiterate?

[Okolotochny]

What's the problem? Finance and speed up. You can not? So why pour tears and snot?

[Glory1974]

we are still "politically" preparing

in fact, there has been no political training for a long time. There is a public-state.

[Tank hard]

Good news.

[Retired2012]

And what and where .... for what ....

[passerby]

The main thing is not to overdo it with an increase in the number of aircraft. There should be a reasonable approach to this issue, taking into account the country's capabilities and the tasks facing the army.

[faterdom]

Good trend. Both in the Ground Forces and in the paratroopers divisions are revived, large tactical formations capable of solving large tasks (on a tactical level). And brigades are formations for specialists, from artillery, communications, transport to special forces (intelligence).

[voyaka uh]

Added staff positions, new salary rates.
And the number of soldiers will increase?
Brigades can be staffed with contract soldiers up to 100%, and a division is unrealistic.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: voyaka uh

Brigades can be staffed with contractors up to 100%

But why?

Quote: voyaka uh

and the division is unrealistic

Deep thought ... do not explain the qualitative difference between the brigade and the division? About the "quantity" I know, if that.

[voyaka uh]

For the division to work, it must be
fully equipped. In the US Army
three, if not mistaken, deployed in peacetime
infantry divisions. In the Marine Corps - brigades.
In Russia, an appeal for 1 year. Not enough for paratroopers.
And it’s unrealistic to recruit divisions of contractors under the current
demographics in Russia. Therefore unloved comrade Taburetkin
realistically turned unfinished divisions into trained and
staffed brigades.
And Shoiga again returned to the "paper" divisions with headquarters and without soldiers.

[onix757]

Quote: voyaka uh

And it’s unrealistic to recruit divisions of contractors under the current
demographics in Russia

From what. Lack of work is a guaranteed source of replenishment of the ranks of aircraft by contractors.

[voyaka uh]

It's right. But usually at the same time, the quality of the contractors falls.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: voyaka uh

For the division to "work", it must be fully equipped

Another "deep" thought ...
And what is a "non-working" division, and how does it differ from a "working" one? About cropped and other - do not, I'm in the know.

Quote: voyaka uh

А recruit contract divisions unrealistic with the current demography in Russia

It starts ...

Quote: voyaka uh

Brigades can be staffed with contractors up to 100%, and the division is unrealistic

There was one division, now there are many ... You already decide, perhaps ...

Quote: voyaka uh

Shoiga again returned to the "paper" divisions with headquarters and without soldiers

That is, to cropped? In what dream you saw it, it’s interesting ...
Warrior, that's all ... trepidation and nothing, sorry my French. I would have tied in your place, a specific weak position

[voyaka uh]

"it's all ... trepidation and nothing, sorry my French" ///

I agree. So you - the same trepidation. I spoke out that
brigades in today's Russia will be more effective than divisions. I tried to explain why. You didn’t like it. It happens...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: voyaka uh

I spoke out that brigades in today's Russia will be more effective than divisions. I tried to explain why

Here you spoke out?

Quote: voyaka uh

Brigades can be staffed with contractors up to 100%, and the division is unrealistic

Well, you can call it that, of course ... although there’s not much to be said about efficiency.

Quote: voyaka uh

you have the same trepidation

Nearly.
I tried to find out what is under your, as it seems to me, indisputable statement.
You answer leading questions with new unfounded allegations, but here it is -

Quote: voyaka uh

Shoiga again returned to the "paper" divisions with headquarters and without soldiers

the essence is direct, ahem ... well, you understand.
And so, yes, of course -

Quote: voyaka uh

the same trepidation

[voyaka uh]

Sorry, your posts are empty. You can
dissect, what I wrote, at the level of each word,
if you don’t get bored, I don’t mind.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: voyaka uh

Sorry, your posts are empty

Unlike you, a warrior, I’m responsible for my words and I’m not writing explicit crap.
Those who wish to refute - a flag in their hands and a kaylo in their teeth.

Quote: voyaka uh

dissect, what I wrote

It didn’t rest against me, to dissect idle chatter.
Good luck

[Cannonball]

Quote: voyaka uh

brigades in today's Russia will be more effective than divisions.

Oh don't tell me.
In fact, the brigade is a reinforced regiment — three airborne battalions, a howitzer division, an anti-aircraft missile battery, an ATGM battery and other companies, platoons and squads.
And a division is a force — two or three air assault regiments, an artillery regiment, an anti-aircraft missile regiment, and other battalions and companies.

[voyaka uh]

Why, the brigade can’t add a tank battalion, so
to bring her in God's form?
Remember the Donbass. What did the war boil down to? To the combined battalion
shock groups. A pair of infantry companies, a dozen tanks, a dozen Grad,
a dozen mortars. Here is what works efficiently. And manageable.
And enlargements, apart from losses from enemy artillery, carry nothing.

[Cannonball]

Do you catch the difference between three battalions and three regiments?
Can you feel the difference between an artillery division and an artillery regiment?

Of course, if you fight in the village of Gadyukino, a pair of infantry companies, a dozen tanks with a dozen mortars can be enough.
However, if you fight on a wider front, say 5-7 km, then there may not be enough divisions.

Again, the artillery support of the division is always more powerful than that of the brigade / regiment.

What is the meaning of a military unit - a division? In the coordination of the actions of several battalion and regimental groups under a common, unified command. When each is not his own head, but part of a streamlined and controllable combat mechanism.

And then, how are you going to use the tank battalion if the parachute landing?

[faterdom]

It is this trend that I welcome the transition from quantity to quality. A division is not just three or four main combat regiments, but also strong special units: communications, reconnaissance, artillery, air defense, sappers, repair and reconditioning, electronic warfare (I hope there will be), and this is not "means of the senior boss" - but these are subordinates parts of the division commander, his own! He can plan their use, he can maneuver them directly, and not through the upper headquarters! And so we have this junior general position: the general is the unifier of diverse military forces and support units for a single task. And the brigade is not a general here, unlike most other armies.

[Tank hard]

Let your allies not worry. There are enough guys who are ready to serve in the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps. In our gym, all young people want to serve there, not everyone else is taken ...

[Maximys]

Good Saturday news. Well, for what has been said. Hooray, hooray, hooray !!!

[ODERVIT]

Service in the guard units and formations is the memory of the rest ... Mine is the chief of the TEC 180 guards. Iap. I am proud of my service in the Stalingrad Guards Regiment.

[RedKors1953]

They are polite or not polite to ordinary people on the drum. They abolish it, not just like that, they brought arguments, now we are reviving, we also give arguments. It’s time to decide what we want to go what way, so that the people know whose army it is. Who does it serve? A nation or a bunch of oligarchs.

[Dart2027]

Quote: RedKors1953

so that the people know whose army it is. Whom does it serve? A nation or a bunch of oligarchs.

What does this have to do with it?

[72jora72]

. It’s time to decide what we want to go what way, so that the people know whose army it is. Who does it serve?

You can ask a modest question, they themselves served in the army?

[family tree]

Even new The assaults, in the sense of the DS and in the USSR, had a brigade, plus separate regiments and battalions. I can understand, by my esteemed Vladimir Anatolyevich, he is a lieutenant in Shaly, and such a return. But to recruit fighters DSH to the division? They also need to be fed and trained before the army.
Ah, figs with nah! Colonel-General, at least from the North, Siberia, the Urals and Don SONS, will return from the emergency, but don’t understand the damn thing, in a year!
Here, an insoluble task, the eyes are afraid, and the hands are doing
Damn, it's not unrealistic! DShviziya, with reservation, artillery and air support. Paragraph Washington

[Doliva63]

Quote: perepilka

Even new The assaults, in the sense of the DS and in the USSR, had a brigade, plus separate regiments and battalions. I can understand, by my esteemed Vladimir Anatolyevich, he is a lieutenant in Shaly, and such a return. But to recruit fighters DSH to the division? They also need to be fed and trained before the army.
Ah, figs with nah! Colonel-General, at least from the North, Siberia, the Urals and Don SONS, will return from the emergency, but don’t understand the damn thing, in a year!
Here, an insoluble task, the eyes are afraid, and the hands are doing
Damn, it's not unrealistic! DShviziya, with reservation, artillery and air support. Paragraph Washington

The salt of the "assaults", as you put it, was in their brigade. The salt of the Airborne Forces is in mobility. The next round of genius "above" - ​​DSD. In fact, this is the beginning of the end of the Airborne Forces, since the inefficiency of the Airborne Forces is recognized.

[voyaka uh]

Airborne brigades turn into elite infantry divisions.
Landing is not expected, but good infantry with tank support -
come in handy.

[Panikovsky]

To be honest, reformatting the brigade into a division makes me very happy. Dear paratroopers, you are the most respected guys, God bless you. May there never be a new stool on your way. Happy Victory Day!

[Cannonball]

345th Guards CPAP. Bagram. We know, remember. Neighbors and brothers in arms.

[Hiller]

here's the question ... why did they destroy it ??? "the whole world .. we will destroy .. to the ground, and then ..." we walk in a circle. Although a return to the OShS combat units of the regiment division is good.

[Cannonball]

Our illustrious part was also liquidated,. Maybe she will be restored someday?

[Schima68]

"And then, we are OUR, we will build a new World" here the main word is OUR, whose is this? ......

[Cannonball]

The main thing is OUR to be directly related.

[Anchonsha]

In principle, everything is done in the army to meet emerging needs and situations. After all, the division was previously reduced to a brigade, but now we need stronger special forces and especially the airborne

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The good news ... the airborne troops are really valiant troops and have great speed and fighting spirit they do not occupy ...

Russia needs vital large formations of airborne forces primarily for defense, and not to throw them behind enemy lines (as many people think) ... If motorized riflemen have to keep the front along the perimeter of the country along with artillerymen, tankers and everyone else, then the airborne must at any moment reinforce any section of the front on the territory of Russia and in a matter of hours it will move to where it is necessary with weapons and equipment !!! No other kind of troops will do this as quickly as the airborne forces (railway transportation is still operational), in addition, the delivery of troops by rail can be blocked by a simple blasting of the canvas ...

[d1975]

Quote: demo

In response to the reconstruction of the US 2nd Fleet, we responded by re-creating the 104th Air Assault Division.
I have the opinion that this is not an answer, in general, to attacks and threats of the West.
The Russian leadership in the person of Putin is looking for the most reliable "points of support" in society. And these cornerstones can only be the heroic past of our people.
And this is the right decision.
And if it were possible to recreate all previously known and thundering throughout the Union military units, then ............ then this is not worth dreaming about.
Another time, other challenges.

I agree with you, without a past there is no future. But it was already simple and ordinary people got the power, on May 1 I was at a rally against signature, the last time I got a lyuley was a pioneer in 1987. It is time to look at the people already. We put up with it, but the patient can go too far. I must say right away that I am not a liberal, I hate them. Well, it’s time to already outline what modern Russia is - a social state or a passage yard for all evil spirits! Au power ?????????????

[AID.S]

Quote: d1975

But it was already simple and ordinary people got the power, on May 1 I was at a rally against signature, the last time I got a lyuley was a pioneer in 1987. It is time to look at the people already. We endure

But in the private sector and May 1 was a working day, at least all the traders worked. Transport workers, too. And they also endure power. Byad .....

[Nikolaevich I]

In Chinese, this is called "ping-pong" ..... first, the airborne divisions "reorganize" into brigades (even many suggested "liquidating" ..... ) ... then, the brigades are in the division .... This time, the solution is useful for Russia ... but is there a guarantee that after some time the “next” and “ping-pong” will not “come” will not continue?

[Corporal Pupkin]

But, WHY it was necessary to switch to the brigade system of formation of the armed forces?
(just do not need in it blame Taburetkin, he stupidly performed Kremlin pointers, for such "valuable thoughts" would never have come to his wooden Bosko )

[nov_tech.vrn]

I heard about one corporal, Shiklgruber is his last name, but have you heard anything about General Makarov, the chief of the general staff in those days, the ideologist of this disgrace?

[Schima68]

I read that Serdyukov performed a special role, powdering the brains of am.

[Monarchist]

Quote: oleg-gr

Again increase the strength of Uncle Vasya (Airborne Forces). So it is numb to "partners".

Field Marshal Taburetkin or his Passion Vasiliev considered that the Armed Forces should be rebuilt according to the Israeli model and brigades were introduced.

[Monarchist]

Quote: Corporal Pupkin

But, WHY it was necessary to switch to the brigade system of formation of the armed forces?
(just do not need in it blame Taburetkin, he stupidly performed Kremlin pointers, for such "valuable thoughts" would never have come to his wooden Bosko )

But his passion Vasilyeva's fantasy worked: she canceled the participation of the Suvorovites in the Victory Parade. Remember how during the broadcast of the Victory Parade she was asked, why are there no Suvorov drummers? And let’s rant that the Parade negatively affects academic performance! She also suggested marking the passage of military equipment on Red Square, they say they get puzzled abroad when they see military equipment. I then experienced a feeling of bitterness: as far as I remember, the military parade was accompanied by the passage of military equipment and the announcers said that the heirs of the legendary Katyusha or formidable armored vehicles. And suddenly I will no longer see military equipment. Do you understand the passage of technology does not correspond to the peaceful aspirations of the Russian Federation.
However, someone from the environment of the “tagged” was the first to think of such a thing, remember how the annual Victory Parade was canceled, and instead the solemn carrying of the banners of distinguished units was canceled. He then said that he prompted this "wisdom"

[sib.ataman]

Thank God! Everything is back to square one! Airborne is the pride of our army and people! I remember when I went for draftees in the 80s, a contingent of foreign workers was selected next to us, so the guys who went to serve them, with shaking hands from an overabundance of feelings, filled out questionnaires, and they answered all the scarecrows of the representative invariably, ready and agree! And this was at the time when Afghanistan was walking, and many of them had a very great chance of being there in half a year! And in general, the youth at that time was much more conscious! The looters were despised by the whole society, considered inferior! And the service was recognized as a mandatory test for a normal man!

[Glory1974]

to the 25 anniversary of the brigade in the 2023 year, we will revive now the 104 airborne assault division again,

the terms are somehow unrealistic. 6 years to form a division? Or it will be needed in 6 years.

[Turgon]

You already got to the liver. Divisions in brigades, army in corps, corps in army, brigades in division. You don’t have to get the money, or someone from the generals desperately needs a house in the Seychelles.

[Megamarcel]

Not quite clear. If this is a combination of existing forces and means, then maybe it is both correct and real. But if this is the creation of a new (old) connection based on the existing brigade, then where do you get so many transport officers from in the BTA for its prompt transfer to the desired area? How many IL 96 do we build per year? And cars of Soviet times are not eternal. Or where does so much technology come from? As far as I remember, the supply of new BMDs is not the same. Well, the staff. Who to fill that connection with? Demography is not straightened out.

[Old26]

Quote: AID.S

Did we have at least one military school without a glorious history and graduates?

Did not have. Each was famous for its graduates and history. For example, the Stavropol Communications School of the Strategic Missile Forces was the only one in the country. All the chiefs of communications, from divisions (and possibly regiments) to the very top, were graduates of this school. But it turned out that this was not necessary. That communication specialists of the Strategic Missile Forces can be trained at any school ...

Quote: 73bor

Very timely

Before that FIVE YEARS

Quote: Doliva63

The salt of the "assaults", as you put it, was in their brigade. The salt of the Airborne Forces is in mobility. The next round of genius "above" - ​​DSD. In fact, this is the beginning of the end of the Airborne Forces, since the inefficiency of the Airborne Forces is recognized.

Quote: Doliva63

Quote: perepilka

Even new The assaults, in the sense of the DS and in the USSR, had a brigade, plus separate regiments and battalions. I can understand, by my esteemed Vladimir Anatolyevich, he is a lieutenant in Shaly, and such a return. But to recruit fighters DSH to the division? They also need to be fed and trained before the army.
Ah, figs with nah! Colonel-General, at least from the North, Siberia, the Urals and Don SONS, will return from the emergency, but don’t understand the damn thing, in a year!
Here, an insoluble task, the eyes are afraid, and the hands are doing
Damn, it's not unrealistic! DShviziya, with reservation, artillery and air support. Paragraph Washington

The salt of the "assaults", as you put it, was in their brigade. The salt of the Airborne Forces is in mobility. The next round of genius "above" - ​​DSD. In fact, this is the beginning of the end of the Airborne Forces, since the inefficiency of the Airborne Forces is recognized.

Yes, no, this is not another round of genius. In fact, the Airborne Forces, as we understand it, that is, the airborne regiments - now there is nothing left of them. Of the four airborne divisions that currently exist, two are air assault divisions. In 5 years there will be a third air assault division. In order to defend the Airborne Forces in the form in which they were created, transport aviation is needed, which is now almost nonexistent. Look at the same Southern District. The airborne division consisting of two regiments, a separate airborne battalion in the Crimea, DSBBr plus 4 separate special forces brigades and a separate special forces regiment, not counting army and corps reconnaissance battalions (they can be left out of the brackets for now). And for all this with a gulkin nose transport aircraft and helicopters. so these troops do not reach the airborne forces ...

[brr1]

still on the cube you need to deploy a division

[ural70]

My regiment, my division !!! Hooray!

[TsUS-Air Force]

Glory to Shamanov !!! This is the second Dad for the Airborne. No commander has done as much as the Shamans do!

[groks]

New schizophrenic initiative. Whose? Who is this woodpecker? Can still build DCA?

[Cannonball]

Sure! Only not DSA, but Guards. JES.

[uporov65]

Hello my 104th Guards Division. DMB 1984-1986.