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Dark spots in the Ukrainian-Georgian "gun history"

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For all the attempts of Ukraine to put all the dots above "i" in stories with the armament of Georgia, it remains a lot of dark spots. Moreover: as you know, Tbilisi is trying hard to preserve Kiev’s image of a “military-technical friend”, despite the latter’s unwillingness to play this role.

It would seem that in February of this year, the Ukrainian authorities put all the accents. As we remember, then a considerable resonance was caused by the statement by the Ukrainian media of the Vice-Premier and State Minister for European and North Atlantic Integration of Georgia Georgy Baramidze that “Ukraine continues to supply weapon Georgia and fulfills its obligations to service the equipment supplied earlier. ”As Baramidze clarified then, the current Ukrainian government does not share Russia's position that such supplies exacerbate the situation in the South Caucasus region.

Kiev then reacted with lightning speed. Immediately, a statement by the management of the information policy of the Ukrspetsexport Group of Companies was circulated, stating that for about two years Ukraine and Georgia have not cooperated in the provision of goods and services for military and special purposes. The companies stressed that they are carrying out military-technical cooperation with other countries in strict accordance with the international obligations of Ukraine and under the control of the State Export Control Service (SSEC). In turn, GSEK, which controls all deliveries of Ukrainian weapons abroad and issues the relevant permits, confirmed the information from Ukrspetsexport. According to the press service of this structure, for about two years, exporters have not applied to the ministry for permission to supply weapons to Georgia.

It seems that everything is clear, but already a month later, in March of 2012, the story of the supply of Ukrainian weapons to Georgia was again pulled to the surface, and this time with a clearly corrupt smell. Then the resonance received a secret message, published on the WikiLeaks website, which said that the American diplomat, then US Under Secretary of Defense for International Security (by the way, from February 15 2012 - NATO Deputy Secretary General) Alexander Vershbow made in Georgia and Ukraine five visits in less than three months. And also the words of the analyst Loren Goodrich are stating that with the help of Yushchenko, Vershbow intended to “do some great things in Ukraine”.

In this regard, the head of the Verkhovna Rada Commission on Verifying the Legality of Arms Supplies to Georgia, created in 2008, People's Deputy Valeriy Konovalyuk said that the new information about Ukraine’s arms supplies to Georgia, published on the WikiLeaks website, confirms its numerous statements about the illegal actions of the previous government in these matters which were carried out under the control of the West. The people's deputy reminded that all the materials of the temporary investigation commission of the parliament to investigate the supply of arms to Georgia that he had identified in 2008 were then transferred to the General Prosecutor’s Office of Ukraine. “The documents collected by our commission prove that financial frauds related to the supply of arms to Georgia were personally patronized by Yushchenko. In connection with these supplies, the national budget suffered losses of hundreds of millions of hryvnias. There was damage to the defense of the Ukrainian army. Georgia has not paid for the supply of Ukrainian weapons until the end, ”Valery Konovalyuk reminded. “Every year this history has more questions. Therefore, I remain unconvinced - there is no time limit for such cases. The crime cannot remain without punishment, and the General Prosecutor’s Office should put an end to this issue, ”said Valery Konovalyuk.

Thus, on the one hand, Yushchenko’s prosecutors received yet another confirmation that the increased arms trade with Georgia smelled strongly of fraud. On the other hand, it remains unclear where all the money received from it went: it was claimed that Kiev received at least 2 billion from sales, while the Ukrainian budget included only 200 million from them.

However, there is one oddity in this story. The Konovalyuk Commission handed over to the prosecutor’s office the investigation materials for which, as far as is known from official releases, “several” about criminal cases were initiated (according to some information, more than a dozen). However, in the 4 of the year, only one of them got into the court - the company Parallax scandal involved in 2010, which the General Prosecutor's Office suspected of involving the Ukrainian and Georgian military in the deal, in the Economic Court of Kiev proved that in 2005, she sold Ukroboronservice missiles ( then they were sold to the Georgians) legally. Where are the rest of the criminal cases, today is not clear, and this nebula causes legitimate bewilderment.

Regarding the February statement of Baramidze, it is worth remembering one more fact - namely, that in the Ukrainian parliament, more precisely - its core committee, the Georgian side took the statement quite calmly, and even assented. So, member of the parliamentary committee of the Verkhovna Rada on foreign affairs, Andrei Paruby, said on this occasion: “The sale of weapons to Georgia is a normal practice, because Georgia is not included in the list of countries where arms exports are prohibited,” he said. “We remember how the Party of Regions blamed President Yushchenko for this, built a whole campaign, including the presidential election. But today everyone is silent, everything is normally perceived. This once again shows the hypocrisy of this power, Yanukovych, ”noted Parubiy. “Naturally, Ukraine is interested in selling its weapons profitably. And it is absolutely normal that we do this. It brings income, Georgia is a friendly country. But the Party of Regions once again showed that the ideology for it is an absolute farce, ”the deputy concluded. Whether this statement is indirect evidence that Ukraine continues to supply arms to Georgia is up to the reader.

Now, as for the military-technical cooperation of Ukraine and Georgia. The dynamics of sales of Ukrainian weapons to Tbilisi, according to the UN, was as follows. In 2005, contracts were signed between Ukrspetsexport and the Ministry of Defense of Georgia for the supply of Georgia to OCAM-AKM air defense system (1 battery) and BUK-M1 air defense system (1 division) after repairs were made in Ukraine; 36D6 radar (3 units); Kolchuga-M radio electronic intelligence stations (3 comp.); Mi-24 type helicopters (3 units) after repair in Ukraine; supply of equipment and work on the creation of the TsKP (Central Command Point) of the Armed Forces of Georgia.

In 2006, Ukrainian exports consisted of 6808 anti-aircraft missiles and launchers, as well as 21870 firearms.

In 2007, Kiev sold Tbilisi 10,8 thousand missiles and launchers, as well as 19964 units of firearms, 74 tank, 6 combat armored vehicles, 9 artillery systems, 8 aircraft.

In the 2008 year - 40 units BMP-1 and BTR-70.

In 2009, Georgia purchased the entire 5 Ukrainian BTR-70 from Kiev.

In the 2010-2011, there were no arms shipments, according to the UN Register, there is no information on contracts in 2012 either.

But here it is worth remembering one “but”: the data that the UN publishes in its annual reports on the arms market are compiled according to the data provided by the powers themselves. There are no special mechanisms or structures that could control the accuracy of this information, the United Nations. And here Kiev is driving itself into a deaf deadlock, let us understand in every way that it does not provide the international community with full information on the supply of its weapons.

In particular, such a major puncture occurred when Ukraine began to refute the data of the Stockholm SIPRI Institute on arms sales to Kiev in 2010-2011. They say that SIPRI underestimates our trade volumes several times, indicating a little more than 200 million dollars instead of having a place 1 billion, because it takes into account only current contracts, and we have a lot of weapons supplies and the provision of repair and maintenance services under past contracts.

It would seem, what's the problem? It is necessary to publish the entire list of services provided and weapons sold, and the dispute will be settled, and at the same time clarity will be brought into the question regarding the current military-technical cooperation with Georgia. However, Ukraine is in no hurry to do it. And it is strange. If everything is clear in the contracts, where does this super secrecy come from?

If you link the past "weapon affairs" of Kiev with Tbilisi and the current situation, a very interesting situation arises. So, Georgia says that military-technical cooperation with the Ukrainian defense-industrial complex is progressing well and with might and main in developing, and the Ukrainian authorities with all their might are denying this fact. At the same time, even if at the moment there are no deliveries of weapons, the question remains, who carries out routine maintenance, repairs and supplies of components to the Ukrainian weapons previously supplied by the Georgian military? Usually, and especially when it comes to large quantities of weapons, all this is provided for by multi-year contracts, in which the suppliers themselves are primarily interested, since this gives not a one-time sale income, but a multi-year stable profit.

The behavior of the Ukrainian Prosecutor General’s Office is also unclear, which undertook to investigate the schemes for the supply of Ukrainian weapons to Tbilisi, but suddenly stopped short of something and has an intriguing silence of 4 for a year, except for one completely failed case. But the investigations into these criminal cases would give exhaustive information about the mechanisms of arms sales to the Georgians. And recent documents published by WikiLeaks confirm: yes, there were such frauds! But Ukrainian investigators do not stimulate this.

It is clear that such a lowering on the brakes of these criminal cases may be necessary only to those who themselves have turned these frauds (or turns them?). After all, the power in Ukraine has changed, but many of the key posts in the defense industry remained the same people, and, of course, new people do not always want to give up their previous contracts and profitable schemes.

And finally, the last. No one has canceled the widespread when trying to conceal the supply of weapons to a country (and even more so when international sanctions do not apply against it, as is the case with Georgia) of sales through third countries. The so-called “end-user certificate” is a good thing, of course, but far from always effective. And nothing prevents Kiev from continuing to sell arms to Tbilisi through these third countries.

Therefore, it seems, the history of the Ukrainian-Georgian military-technical cooperation is far from over. There are too many dark spots and oddities in it.
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  1. taseka
    taseka 5 May 2012 08: 33
    +14
    Just business has become higher than politics!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 May 2012 08: 38
      +27
      Quote: taseka
      Just business has become higher than politics!


      These are two identical prostitutes- And business and politics.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 5 May 2012 08: 54
        +15
        Quote: Vadivak
        These are two identical prostitutes- And business and politics.

        And the dirtiest, but alas, far from cheap
      2. YARY
        YARY 5 May 2012 09: 26
        +17
        Not just prostitutes but dirty whores! Smeared with blood for the most want! angry
        And the Slav brothers who shot at our pilots, solid proof of this. angry

        1. Dmitry Desnyansky
          Dmitry Desnyansky 5 May 2012 10: 16
          +14
          For apartments in Kiev sold
          1. Aleksey67
            Aleksey67 5 May 2012 10: 22
            +14
            Quote: Dmitry Desnyansky
            For apartments in Kiev sold


            Mamontov had an investigation into this matter, here are quotes from his interview

            - Behind each action are specific patrons, performers, real forces. Who organized the special operation to transfer Ukrainian troops and weapons to Georgia?

            - The preparation of Georgia for the war against South Ossetia and Abkhazia has been carried out for a long time, since 2005, with the direct participation of the United States and Israel. Ukraine and Poland. The preparation was, inter alia, in the formation of orders and the sale of arms to Georgia. The three most involved in the supply of weapons and its modernization are the USA, Israel and Ukraine. Israel because the head of the Georgian Ministry of Defense for the period of 2008 was a native of Haifa, an Israeli citizen, Kezerashvili, who knows Hebrew and has many friends among the Israeli generals.

            Ukraine because Yushchenko is the godfather of Saakashvili, baptized his children. America because both Yushchenko and Saakashvili are agents of American imperialism. This is actually so.

            As for Ukraine, we know that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine took part in the “layout” of the disposition of the attack on Tskhinval. This arrangement of the most successful positions for multiple launch rocket systems such as “Grad”, “Hurricane”, “Tornado”. Since this is a weapon of the Soviet era, the Americans for sure do not know all its capabilities. Therefore, it was not installed by Georgians, who simply do not have trained officers of this magnitude, but, of course, by Ukrainian specialists, officers of the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense, who were preparing a fire attack on this city. The Americans carried out strategic planning.

            According to some reports, a certain Alexander Alexandrovich Tsukanov, a colonel in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, was planning a fire attack on Tskhinval. This is a former Soviet officer who served in Germany, in the Far East. His specialty is precisely connected with these matters. Another Ukrainian officer Dmitry D. on one of the social sites boasted that he was in South Ossetia. Former classmates drew attention to him, who helped us “untwist” him.

            - Is it true that you managed to find a Ukrainian officer who shot down our planes, for which you received an apartment from Yushchenko?

            - This is Yuri Mikhailovich Polessky, a former colonel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who served in the Stryi Air Defense Brigade. When we talked with him, emotions gave him out and his knees actually shook. He tried to somehow justify himself, to shun, because he received instructions from the special services that we must deny everything. But we came unexpectedly, and his motor reaction, facial expressions, adrenaline showed his fear and deception.
            This is a good specialist, but, as our source told us, he liked to "sit on a glass", for which he was dismissed from the army. His wife went to the Minister of Defense and tearfully requested her husband to be reinstated. Most likely, Polessky was offered to go work for money, to serve. And he went to Georgia, took part in the hostilities.

            In addition, there is information that two people live in Lutsk, who during this war worked on the S-200, from which our strategic Tu-22 bomber was shot down. According to our source, during the hostilities in Georgia there were quite a lot of people, officers - from the Stryi brigade 5 people, from the Uman brigade - about 10 people, etc. In total, the Ukrainians who took part in the battles against the Russian troops, both anti-aircraft gunners and special forces, were 270 people.

            The officer who participated in the battles in South Ossetia on the Georgian side and shot down our planes said that the Buk -1M air defense systems were indeed removed from combat duty. These were combat-ready complexes that covered the western border of Ukraine and were part of the so-called "quick reaction forces." The Buk divisions were removed from the direction at the junction of the border of Ukraine with Poland and Belarus and secretly transferred to Georgia. The border in western Ukraine turned out to be almost bare. Just as the fascists removed their units and subunits from the Western Front in 1945, transferring them to the east, the “orange” regime of Ukraine removed Buk air defense systems from the western direction. They went to Georgia with the personnel, because, according to a wide range of specialists from generals to cadets, Georgians cannot work and maintain facilities of such complexity. For this, they have no tradition and school. Therefore, Ukrainians from Lutsk, Uman, Strya - from the brigades that are located in these cities, ended up in Georgia. They served the Buki, served them and, in the end, shot down our pilots.

            - The selection of servicemen from the western regions of Ukraine deliberately went to Georgia?

            - Not only. Actually offered to everyone. Another thing is that someone had the courage to refuse, not to become a Judas, to remain human. And others went corny to make money. And when some of them say that they did not know where they were going, did not know that there would be a war, this is a lie. All adult men are associated with the army, the war. They are not stupid people, in the end, they knew where Georgia and Russia were, what was happening, they read the newspapers. They are competent technical specialists and knew where they were going. The “orange” propaganda, which has been going on for five years in Ukraine, has done its job. These people knew that they would kill their Russian brothers.

            At the same time, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Yekhanurov, who was born in Russia, in Yakutia, an atlantist by calling and a traitor to the Motherland by importance, is also an “orange” Judas, on the orders of agent Yushchenko formed special forces brigades of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. Ukrainian special forces acted as saboteurs in the rear of our 58th army in South Ossetia. They knew Russian well, were dressed in military uniforms with insignia of the Russian army. They entered the bases of our units, acted on roads, took information, arranged sabotage, captured languages, hunted for our senior officers. These are the methods of Hitler's Abwehr in 1941, when during the outbreak of war on June 22 saboteurs in the form of units of the Red Army who attacked our commanders were transferred over the front line. The same tactics were used here. I do not exclude that the Americans came up with this and, together with the "orange", set up such ambushes on our troops.

            We found a living witness to this, a Russian guy, the guard of the younger sergeant Vladimir Lensky, who was thus captured. He moved to the "Urals" in the vicinity of Tskhinval. On the side of the road stood a man in the uniform of the Russian army. Lensky, with his colleagues behind the convoy, left the Urals to ask for directions. They immediately attacked him and twisted him. The prisoners were brought to the headquarters of the special forces brigade of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia, where they were interrogated by a Russian-speaking person whom they considered Russian. In fact, it was an officer of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, whom our prisoners called the "Hacker." He interrogated the prisoners, beat them, instructed the Georgians to beat, swore, told the soldiers through gritted teeth: "Nobody needs your gas, Russia is an evil empire."
            This is the real Judas, who despised everything - love, faith, brotherhood, kinship between us. He will be rewarded for mocking Russian soldiers. In addition, according to the prisoners, they saw and heard Ukrainian snipers who spoke Russian, who were near Tskhinval. These groups worked by shooting at our soldiers and officers. Now these people live in Donetsk, Ivano-Frankivsk, in the same Lviv. Shooting, they go to Moscow, Russia. These are military migrant workers who do not give a damn about anything - either kill black people in Burkina Faso or shoot Russians in South Ossetia. These are mankurts.

            - Your work began with an attempt to investigate personnel posted on the Internet, which show how the Ukrainian military looted, searching the body of a Russian pilot shot down over Georgia. Tell us more about it..

            - The press service of the Russian Air Force considered that it was a setup, a lie. In fact, these are real shots that depict the dead pilot of the Su-25 Russian Air Force, which our sources confirmed. The talk, the accent of people searching his body and other details indicate that they are from Central or Eastern Ukraine. These are professional military men using professional gestures. One of them took the pilot's gun. Now this weapon hangs in his house, maybe he tells the children how the Russians killed the Russians, admires this gun. Yes, it would be better if he shot himself with this gun, God forgive me
            1. rate 60
              rate 60 5 May 2012 10: 49
              +10
              It’s interesting, do our special services identify and destroy these Ukrainian mercenaries? Or Putin didn’t give such a command.
              1. YARY
                YARY 5 May 2012 12: 21
                +18
                I want these words of mine to reach everyone! Especially to the parents and relatives of those who have lost their children and relatives from the actions of the traitors, "brothers of the Slavs"!
                If my son died at the hands of a traitor (otherwise I can’t name them) Slav, I would put all that I can to kill this creature.
                1. Ustas
                  Ustas 6 May 2012 09: 21
                  +4
                  If my son died at the hands of a traitor (otherwise I can’t name them) Slav, I would put all that I can to kill this creature.

                  I also
              2. valokordin
                valokordin 6 May 2012 21: 45
                0
                probably not, since this is not politically correct, but it’s a pity that there are no such units in Russia as the Jews. They then worry about their safety not in words but in deed.
            2. Felix200970
              Felix200970 5 May 2012 13: 29
              +7
              Quote: Aleksey67
              told the soldiers through gritted teeth: "Nobody needs your gas, Russia is an evil empire."

              Well, just a Merlican movie. Especially about the special forces brig GUR MOU. And where did they get so many specialists? In Ukraine, only 3 regiments of Special Forces, that all 3 regiments moved to the Georgians? It would be painfully noticeable movement. So it seems that someone famously whistled for a red word
            3. Kievan
              Kievan 5 May 2012 14: 29
              -9
              Quote: Aleksey67
              This arrangement of the most successful positions for multiple launch rocket systems such as "Grad", "Hurricane", "Tornado".

              There were no Hurricanes and Tornadoes.
              Quote: Aleksey67
              Just as the fascists removed their units and subunits from the Western Front in 1945, transferring them to the east, the “orange” regime of Ukraine removed the Buk air defense systems from the western direction.

              What propaganda propaganda can do without the Nazis and comparisons with them)))
              Quote: Aleksey67
              also an “orange” Judah, by order of agent Yushchenko formed special forces brigades of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

              From the Soviet special-purpose brigades in Ukraine, 3 regiments have long remained and no brigades in Ukraine are being formed, but only disbanded. But for an information war, this is not the main thing that the text would contain more: Judas, traitors, and "like fascists."
              Quote: Aleksey67
              Ukrainian special forces acted as saboteurs in the rear of our 58th army in South Ossetia. They knew Russian well, were dressed in military uniforms with insignia of the Russian army. They entered the bases of our units, acted on roads, took information, arranged sabotage, captured languages, hunted for our senior officers. These are the methods of Hitler's Abwehr in 1941, when during the outbreak of war on June 22 saboteurs in the form of units of the Red Army were thrown over the front line, which attacked our commanders. The same tactic was used here.

              The fact that there are no references among the participants in the war about such cases is a trifle, but again the Nazis were remembered. I don’t even want to comment on the rest - not a journalistic investigation, but low-grade fiction for forming an image from Ukraine and Ukrainians.
            4. Bat1stuta
              Bat1stuta 5 May 2012 17: 10
              +7
              Aleksey67,
              Thanks for the article, Alex. this proves once again that Ukraine should not exist separately from Russia. it was created as Anti-Russia ... what
            5. ymNIK1970
              ymNIK1970 5 May 2012 18: 26
              +9
              "He interrogated the prisoners, beat them, gave instructions to the Georgians to beat them, swore, and spoke to the soldiers through clenched teeth:" Nobody needs your gas, Russia is an evil empire. " I want him to fall into the hands of military counterintelligence officers of the Russian Federation. And on YouTube his inquiry. These still call themselves Ukrainians? These inhumans are real MAZEPOVTS. Death to them.
            6. almost demobil
              almost demobil 5 May 2012 19: 29
              +11
              I knew about Judas from Stryi and Uman, it also turns out to be Lutsk. Well, dear fighting comrades of freaks from the above brigades. be proud of your bitches!
            7. CC-18a
              CC-18a 5 May 2012 20: 45
              +6
              to transfer all the names of these Judas to our FSB officers and for liquidation, quietly without noise.
              And if the noise will immediately declare Ukram, you killed our fighters in Georgia? if you say no, then we didn’t touch anyone. And all the other Judas will have a lesson.
        2. Cadet787
          Cadet787 5 May 2012 11: 02
          +17
          They are brothers to us, when the gas is for free, and so on the brothers can and anti-aircraft missiles. Words are not enough, corrupt three.
          1. Cadet787
            Cadet787 5 May 2012 11: 45
            +16
            And minus me, those who really cut their eyes. I will reward you for spilled Russian blood!
          2. oper66
            oper66 5 May 2012 15: 49
            +9
            The strange thing is that the site’s participants are Ukrainians, instead of apologizing for their power and compatriots, they don’t even justify themselves but try to convict us of bias
            1. Kievan
              Kievan 5 May 2012 16: 38
              -9
              Quote: oper66
              The strange thing is that the site’s participants are Ukrainians, instead of apologizing for their power and compatriots, they don’t even justify themselves but try to convict us of bias

              Of all that is said about Ukraine, there is only one real fact: Ukraine sold weapons to Georgia (the list is known) BEFORE 08.08.08, and the fact that the Georgian leadership went beyond common sense and simple logic and attacked Russian peacekeepers, let the Georgians apologize.
              And all these tales of Mamontov are nothing more than an information war against Ukraine and the then leadership. All these facts, if of course they really should have been transferred to the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, if they were not transferred there, then this is simply propaganda for internal use.
              Ukraine is selling weapons to Kazakhstan and if it attacks the Russian Federation tomorrow, then what do we need to apologize for?
              1. gigiperfetto
                gigiperfetto 6 May 2012 01: 20
                +5
                Signorina Naivety! feel Only Ukraine did not know that in the Caucasus it was a military conflict.
            2. CC-18a
              CC-18a 5 May 2012 20: 51
              +5
              it’s not strange, there are just a lot of people who would be ready to fight against us, read what they write ... and you’ll understand everything. But among Ukrainians such as they are few, they are just the most vile and loud Judas, these are the trolls scribbling and scribbling, the real Ukrainians they live in Ukraine and work there in the industry sector keeping the economy of Ukraine and this is not the Center-East of Ukraine.
              1. CC-18a
                CC-18a 6 May 2012 02: 01
                0
                my answer was for oper66
            3. Dub4ik
              Dub4ik 8 May 2012 01: 57
              +1
              Quote: oper66

              The strange thing is that the site’s participants are Ukrainians, instead of apologizing for their power and compatriots, they don’t even justify themselves but try to convict us of bias

              why do we have to apologize for some idiots who profited from this? the family is not without a freak, so what? let's mix all Ukrainians with mud because of individuals?
          3. CC-18a
            CC-18a 5 May 2012 20: 48
            +1
            they are our brothers, just those who are from the west of Ukraine, it’s a lion grove, it’s not our brothers, it’s Poles, Catholic scum, by definition, it’s the very dirt.
            Ukraine is the Orthodox Slavs.
            And Lviv is not Ukraine, it's Polish Yo *** Catholics
            1. Num lock U.A.
              Num lock U.A. 5 May 2012 23: 42
              -2
              sore imagination, nothing more
              ay, moderators
              1. CC-18a
                CC-18a 6 May 2012 01: 59
                +1
                it’s so exact with you, but all that I wrote is iron facts of both logic and history, which no one in their right mind would dispute.
                1. Num lock U.A.
                  Num lock U.A. 6 May 2012 12: 49
                  +1
                  what are the iron facts? there were only insults in the deleted message
                  1. CC-18a
                    CC-18a 6 May 2012 18: 16
                    0
                    you're lying, it characterizes you perfectly, but moderators should be smarter than behaving and not delete messages where there are no insults.

                    Modera you in your mind delete posts where they write the facts of history?
                    Where did you see an insult in the facts that western Ukraine is a Polish, not Orthodox Christians are there and Polish Catholics, can we still ban all the textbooks? not?
                    Where is the insult to the facts that the Polish people are rotten people mean to Russia? Let’s delete my messages again and at the same time delete millions of texts of history where all the vile actions of the Poles with respect to the Russian Federation are written in black and white, and what’s the story there, now you can see it all.
        3. valokordin
          valokordin 6 May 2012 21: 37
          +3
          this is true, in rye Ukraine, enough in the politics of the descendants of Bandera and Konovalets, who hate Russian blood brothers, and in Russia the bastards began to get divorced like wolf cubs
      3. Ataturk
        Ataturk 5 May 2012 10: 07
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        These are two identical prostitutes- And business and politics.


        in the 21st century, the prostitution of politics and business, these are the main priorities. Alas. Humanity, the voice of the people, it remains in history.
    2. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 5 May 2012 08: 41
      +20
      In the arms sector, business is inseparable from politics.
      Ukraine once fell into "friendship" with Saakoshvili, now it will take a long time to clean up.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 5 May 2012 08: 49
        +12
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Ukraine once fell into "friendship" with Saakoshvili, now it will take a long time to clean up.


        That's for sure, but they were friends against Russia
      2. 450096
        450096 5 May 2012 09: 50
        +12
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Ukraine once fell into "friendship" with Saakoshvili, now it will take a long time to clean up.

        The worst thing is that Yushchenko got into a mess and smeared the whole of Ukraine
        1. Egor-dis
          Egor-dis 5 May 2012 22: 10
          +2
          Well, look at his mug. God marks the assault - American-son-in-law.
      3. Kiev
        Kiev 5 May 2012 10: 31
        +13
        Yushchinok is a mistake of Ukraine! recourse Judge, take it to the bootyka!
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 5 May 2012 10: 33
          +17
          Quote: Kiev
          Yushchinok is a mistake of Ukraine! Judge, take it to the bootyka!


          No, you judge this "bactereological weapon" yourself and put you in a cage with Zhulka. You can only benefit from this and a reality show can be arranged, and explanations for the EU will be where the bruises appear from the scum laughing
        2. Cadet787
          Cadet787 5 May 2012 11: 14
          +7
          You will have to judge the guys yourself to be cleansed of filth.
        3. Shumer
          Shumer 5 May 2012 11: 40
          +15
          I can imagine what squeals they will raise if Yushch begins to be judged.
          1. valokordin
            valokordin 6 May 2012 21: 52
            +2
            and what to judge Yushchenko, he is bonded, and who in Russia to intercede for Julia. That's what beauty leads to
        4. Ascetic
          Ascetic 5 May 2012 11: 48
          +6
          Quote: Kiev
          Yushchinok is a mistake of Ukraine! Judge, take it to the bootyka!


          Putin recently proposed to cure Julia in Russia

          “If Yulia Vladimirovna considers it possible and if the authorities of Ukraine, our Ukrainian partners agree with this, we would gladly accept Yulia Vladimirovna Tymoshenko in Russia for treatment at any time convenient for her and the Ukrainian authorities in any medical institution,” he said. However, the Ukrainian authorities immediately responded to his statement: according to the representative of the press service of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, the treatment of convicts abroad is not provided for by Ukrainian legislation. To cure Tymoshenko earlier suggested the German authorities. In March, First Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine Renat Kuzmin said that the Ukrainian authorities are considering this option.


          Our response to the West on allegations of undemocracy and human rights abuses.
          German Chancellor Angela Merkel demanded that the Ukrainian authorities take proper care of Yulia Tymoshenko, who was previously one of the country's leaders and threatened to boycott EURO 2012
          Some senior officials from European countries are already seriously discussing the possibility of a boycott. However, the football teams themselves do not talk about this. Residents of Ukraine relate to the boycott with mixed feelings.

          MAN: While this whole mess is going on in Ukraine, I think that the boycott will be fair. They must listen to the people of Ukraine.

          RUSLAN, resident of Kiev: Why is it necessary to punish the entire Ukrainian people for those stupid things that the president does? The president would be punished!


          And you will be cured, and you will be cured too, and I will be cured
          1. Kars
            Kars 5 May 2012 18: 54
            +8
            Looking honestly at Tymoshenko, I regret that they’re not in China where they put someone for corruption against the wall. And damn it. Someone looking at officials doesn’t sit down - so all the sick are getting terribly awful. immediately sick.


            On the topic ---- if Georgia was not under an arms embargo, then no claim is accepted.
            And what a shame it is for the air defense missile defense division .. Buk .. we don’t do them ourselves, and removed them from combat duty - for this Yushch must be brought to justice, for the collapse of the country's defense capability.
            1. CC-18a
              CC-18a 5 May 2012 20: 57
              +3
              Well ... well, then do not worry when the Russian Federation will equip your enemy with all the necessary weapons so that he will kill more of your children.

              Do you have any honor left? I understand that you specifically lost it in Ukraine, but still ask your honor if you stayed, is there any reason for Russian citizens to blame Ukraine for those of your actions? starting with the supply of weapons and ending with sending fighters to fight against us.

              Honestly, Kars, before yours began to participate in the war on the side of Georgia, I would have doubted for a long time if I had been given an order against Ukraine, we might not even have executed the order with all the consequences for myself, but I repeat after 08.08.08 and the fact that right now you do and write disrespectfully and sometimes defending, now I won’t think and won’t refuse, yours then didn’t refuse and you didn’t put them for it, you were the first to cross the line.
              1. Kars
                Kars 5 May 2012 21: 37
                0
                Quote: CC-18a
                then do not worry when the Russian Federation will be equipped with all necessary weapons


                First, try something to sell to Romania, a member of NATO. And yes, please. Weapons for this purpose were created to kill.
                Quote: CC-18a
                but still ask your honor if you stay, there is reason for the citizens of the Russian Federation to blame Ukraine

                Ukraine? Ukraine no. We are not responsible for Georgians.
                Quote: CC-18a
                ending sending fighters to fight against us.

                But Ukraine didn’t send anyone, if private individuals expressed their desire --- it’s their fault, you will tell us in the Criminal Code there is an article on this subject.
                Quote: CC-18a
                That's honest Kars before yours began to participate in the war on the side of Georgia,

                And why don’t you remember Chechnya? Ukrainian mercenaries also fought there - but Russian mercenaries also fought there for the Chechens. For these I would even feel guilty, but for Georgia ----- no sense of guilt.
                Quote: CC-18a
                yours then didn’t refuse and you didn’t put them for it, you were the first to cross the line.

                And to look for who is the first in our turbulent history this business is not grateful.
                And to put --- for this there are international levers, extraditions, etc. --- The Russian Foreign Ministry as they say all the cards in hand.
                1. CC-18a
                  CC-18a 6 May 2012 18: 34
                  -2
                  Quote: Kars
                  First, try something to sell to Romania, a member of NATO. And yes, please. Weapons for this purpose were created to kill.

                  We will have to sell it, Greece, which never entered into the Warsaw Pact and even then bought our weapons.
                  And so, from where will they buy weapons to strike from Romania to Kiev, tell me? for me personally, everything is clear, but NATO will do everything to equip Romania with our weapons, and here it only matters whether we sell it or not, you don’t mind now, but when it all starts you’ll be the first and you’ll scream loudest that it’s not fraternal .

                  Ukraine? Ukraine no. We are not responsible for Georgians.

                  You are responsible for your actions, do not want to answer yourself, you will be put to the answer anyway and at 10 times the size, as always has been.

                  But Ukraine didn’t send anyone, if private individuals expressed their desire --- it’s their fault, you will tell us in the Criminal Code there is an article on this subject.

                  Ukraine’s air defense systems were removed from combat duty on the orders of officers of Ukraine, Ukrainian soldiers serving at such complexes do not leave the whole of Ukraine and receive business trips or vacations and go to Georgia, I repeat not dismissed from the ranks of all Ukraine, I repeat all this organized by officers of Ukraine. If you in the Russian Federation hold your business for fools, just consider fools, you yourself will remain.

                  And why don’t you remember Chechnya? Ukrainian mercenaries also fought there - but Russian mercenaries also fought there for the Chechens. For these I would even feel guilty, but for Georgia ----- no sense of guilt.

                  A person in their right mind distinguishes between conflicts between the two states and between the state and the internal territory. I am a man of sound mind, and your attempts to equate Georgia to Chechnya I consider the height of stupidity.

                  And to look for who is the first in our turbulent history this business is not grateful.
                  And to put --- for this there are international levers, extraditions, etc. --- The Russian Foreign Ministry as they say all the cards in hand.

                  The business is necessary. The history of the Russian Federation-Ukraine has been current since 91 of the year, with 91 of the year you were the first to cross the line.
                  International levers have been used, and you do not care if you protect them and your state protects them.


                  In general, I understood, no offense, but you laid out everything perfectly about Ukraine, I sincerely hope that the eastern part of Ukraine and Crimea will never suffer, but now I don’t care about the rest, thanks to people like you. The conversation is over.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 6 May 2012 19: 30
                    0
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    It will be necessary to sell,

                    I already answered - please, just forget that everything will immediately go to a showdown in NATO research centers.
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    Romania to Kiev tell me?

                    Why do I need to say something, if the Romanians have money and the desire is without the armament of the Russian Federation.
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    but when it all starts you are the first and louder than all you will yell that this is not fraternal.

                    Yes, I don’t even cry about the price of gas and brotherhood. Our holding, even after the first gas war, borrowed for new technologies and moving away from gas, now we use gas only in dormitories for cooking,
                    And I’ll change my car for bonuses in the first half of the year --- and thanks to your own cheese ... war ..--- we bought a semi-finished product from two factories that you wrapped, smoked and sold to Hungary and the Czech Republic - and there are no palm oils there they didn’t find it. And this is not talking about what you can sell them, what they will not be sent from NATO, maybe even for free.
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    you’ll be put to the answer anyway and in 10 multiple size, as always

                    Almost four years have passed.
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    Ukraine’s air defense systems were removed from combat duty on the orders of officers of Ukraine, Ukrainian soldiers serving at such complexes do not leave the whole of Ukraine and receive business trips or vacations and go to Georgia, I repeat not dismissed from the ranks of all Ukraine, I repeat all this organized by officers of Ukraine

                    Prove what the problem is and to the post above --- almost four years have passed, but you still haven’t seen the invoices,
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    A man in his right mind distinguishes between conflicts between 2 states and between the state and internal territory

                    I won’t argue about common sense, but the participation of Ukrainians in YOUR Chechen war is worse for me than if they (namely IF) were in Georgia.
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    The business is necessary. The history of the Russian Federation-Ukraine has been current since 91 of the year, with 91 of the year you were the first to cross the line.

                    Why is it so weak with 91? Why not with 1917? For example? and I don’t see any features anywhere.
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    but you laid out everything perfectly about Ukraine, I sincerely hope that the eastern part of Ukraine

                    Me too, I'm from South-Eastern Ukraine, and if it’s not a secret, what have I posted? Or again, how about the weather in Korea?
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    thanks to people like you

                    And so what? What did I say? There is a lot of logic everywhere, the arms market is the arms market. And I hope that your nickname does not reflect your involvement in the Strategic Missile Forces, but if you still don’t forget about Rosa Vetrov.
                  2. valokordin
                    valokordin 6 May 2012 21: 57
                    +1
                    stop bickering citizens, arm the Romanians with the rocket
            2. valokordin
              valokordin 6 May 2012 21: 54
              0
              Julia’s belly is not bruised, but kisses
          2. almost demobil
            almost demobil 5 May 2012 19: 32
            +4
            Here is the poor fellow, tormented while plucking herself bruises. lol
          3. oper66
            oper66 7 May 2012 09: 51
            +1
            Yes, look at her glossy mug, how she languished in a jail on bread and water - all this is idle talk about her illness and it's time to stop this PR - she’s convicted so she should serve on general grounds - otherwise she’s sitting like a princess in a Nelskaya tower
        5. Vadivak
          Vadivak 5 May 2012 13: 11
          +4
          Quote: Kiev
          Yushchinok is a mistake of Ukraine


          Since the ancestors of the fascists were hunchbacked, then he had a place in the Hitler Youth
        6. ymNIK1970
          ymNIK1970 5 May 2012 18: 42
          +6
          This is the pattern of the STATE "Ukraine", you are also a part of this pattern. This pattern is called betrayal. And remember - ignorance of the laws does not remove responsibility. And you will all have to answer for your words and actions. It is naive to think that the ball of cattle in Ukraine will be endless. Time is against you.
    3. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 5 May 2012 09: 10
      +16
      It’s clear that the matter is dark. smile Neither Ukraine nor Georgia is profitable now to stir up the past, because both of them have been plagued by de ... e. It is clear that everything was done at the direction of the State Department, which also now ensures the secrecy of this issue. In general, Georgians without Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and Ukrainians without money winked
      By the way, Russia "quietly" returned the captured amers (according to reports 2 killed and 4 taken prisoner) and also somehow does not seek to inflate this story
      1. Ziksura
        Ziksura 5 May 2012 10: 45
        +5
        Quote: Aleksey67
        It's clear that it's a dark thing

        What’s dark here. Clearer than clear. The supply of weapons continues. Money does not fall into the treasury. If the Prosecutor General’s Office was not in the past, now it is.
        Does anyone have doubts about such a scheme?
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 5 May 2012 10: 51
          +8
          Quote: Ziksura
          Arms deliveries continue


          I think there are no arms supplies. To carry out arms deliveries to Georgia now is "suicide" for any politician, even Obama does not agree to this, but feeds Mishiko with promises. I do not exclude repair and maintenance work, it is easy to hide and you can hide behind previously concluded contracts.
          I don’t understand why Russia didn’t inflate the scandal with the captured Americans, however, after they were given back laughing The United States has hushed up the issue with the captured command Hummers. Taking into account the fact that there were communication systems and NATO encoding, for our specialists this is a "tasty" wink
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 5 May 2012 14: 19
            +14
            caricature on the theme of Georgia laughing
            1. 755962
              755962 5 May 2012 15: 57
              +5
              Quote: Oleg0705

              Just business has become higher than politics!

              Without the State Department filing could not do!
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 5 May 2012 08: 50
    +10
    Ukraine will continue to sell weapons to Georgia because it stupidly needs money. If Saka starts the warrior again, then we will find out what, to whom and for how much
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 May 2012 09: 10
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      because stupidly need money


      C'mon, there’s an Asian-African market, the other question is that Southeast of the states have gone wrong.
    2. ward
      ward 5 May 2012 09: 13
      +9
      It’s always like that ... friendship in words ... a knife in the back in practice ... like gas for money so the Slav brothers ... like weapons to Georgia ... nothing personal, just business ... plus ...
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 5 May 2012 09: 20
        +9
        consumers in the CIS countries often got cheaper gas than Russians
      2. rate 60
        rate 60 5 May 2012 10: 55
        +6
        That in Ukraine, that in Russia the authorities are equally anti-people. Their task is to fill their pockets in any way. From July 1, we are waiting for gas prices to increase by 15 percent. Happy Victory Day dear comrades.
  3. vova56
    vova56 5 May 2012 09: 15
    +5
    We must take the Crimea!
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 5 May 2012 10: 01
      +14
      Quote: vova56
      We must take the Crimea!


      There are some legal clues, Sevastopol during the Soviet era had the status of a "city of federal subordination" (the term is probably not accurate, but reflecting the essence winked ), that is, its leadership was directly subordinate to Moscow and the city went on a "separate" line in the budget. It is necessary to raise the issue of the illegal transfer of Sevastopol to Ukraine, simultaneously carrying out work among the local population (social payments, subsidies, an increase in pensions, etc., something that will not cost Russia so much) smile
      Oh, now Ukrainian patriots will "tear" me apart tongue
      1. Felix200970
        Felix200970 5 May 2012 13: 36
        +6
        Quote: Aleksey67
        federal city status

        Rather "union value". There were also "republican significance". The status is, in principle, correct and add to the fact that Sevastopol was a partially closed city
      2. Chekist
        Chekist 7 May 2012 18: 46
        +2
        Well, I myself live in Crimea, and I am not going to "tear" you ... But the question of joining Crimea to Russia is very controversial. Many of those living in Crimea do not want to "walk" near Kiev, but they also do not burn with the desire near Moscow. But the mutually beneficial cooperation between Crimea and Russia in all areas is yes. You give us gas, electricity - we give you bases and ports, and so on. wink
        1. ward
          ward 7 May 2012 18: 52
          -1
          You there yesterday your Tatars turned to Turkey with a request to include Crimea in the structure of .... its Turkey ... on the basis of an agreement on the annexation of Crimea to Russia ... So now you just have no offense ... it comes out like a Turk. ..a plus...
          1. Chekist
            Chekist 7 May 2012 19: 37
            0
            And where does the conclusion "So now you just no offense ... comes out as a Turk ... plus .."?

            With our Tatars, we'll sort it out somehow. "Majilis" always wants something, but doesn't get a shit ... winked

            As for the Kuchuk-Kainardzhiysk Treaty of 1774. There is such a fad - I don’t risk quoting, I’ll give a general sense (you can google it if you wish).
            Under the agreement, Crimea departs to Russia. And in the event of Russia's refusal from Crimea, it returns under the protectorate of Turkey. Russia refused the Crimea, mdy ...
            By the way, this point is the only justification for our "beloved" deported Afro-Crimeans ....
            1. ward
              ward 7 May 2012 21: 34
              0
              So I’m talking about that ... they’re conducting consultations with Russia now ... I'm talking about Turkey ... like Sevastopol separately ... something legal ... Crimea separately ... it seems the only way out is to give Russia back ... but Yanukovych will not do this ... he will be stumbled ... that’s how he comes out through the railway ....
              1. Chekist
                Chekist 7 May 2012 23: 29
                0
                If it comes to such a scenario, then no one will ask Yanukovych from us. Afro-Crimean population in Crimea 10-15% of the total number of inhabitants ....
                So we ourselves will call Russia to support the Russian-speaking population on the peninsula.
                And to the Afro-Crimeans, we are hanging on our tinsel ... Yes, and the Turks will rake if they only snoop here.
                In any case, the option of surrendering Crimea to Turkey will provoke another hot spot. And the mess will begin according to the principle of Sev. Of the Caucasus.
  4. sergo0000
    sergo0000 5 May 2012 09: 16
    +10
    And what is there to be surprised at and someone to blame. Our edinorosy are better than chtoli? "Party of Regions" and "United Russia" are twins brothers !!! Fuflyzhniks and thieves. I apologize for the prison fenya, but she suits them best!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 May 2012 09: 53
      +5
      Quote: sergo0000
      Our unicorns are better than chtoli


      And there, at the helm, are party functionaries of the 80s, those who were ruining the CPSU from the inside and people were blowing ears about equality, fraternity and world peace
  5. Aeneas
    Aeneas 5 May 2012 09: 59
    +3
    Konovalyuk is now not heard at all, he simply is not on TV or other media. Although under Yushchenko, he constantly “hung out” on various political shows and “watered” the orange. The figure of 2 lard dlyars for weapons sold to Georgia is not entirely clear. Otkel these figures? All the weapons there were second-hand, except maybe Kolchuga, radar and anti-tank missiles and complexes. Many countries generally "fuse" old weapons so as not to have problems with disposal or security and maintenance. The Georgians received many weapons completely free of charge from the Eastern European arsenals. But now Ukraine does not supply Georgia so as not to quarrel with Moscow. Georgia is interesting to Ukraine as a transit of hydrocarbons (terminal in Poti), there are some projects for the construction of a gas terminal. Therefore, Kiev does not break off relations with Tbilisi either because Sahak is Yushch's godfather. As, however, Saakashvili does not ignore taaishchi Lukashenka and Nazarbayev.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 May 2012 10: 03
      +19
      Quote: Aeneas
      Saakashvili Taishchi Lukashenko


      President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko gave an extensive interview to the Washington Post.

      “Recently in Georgia, President Saakashvili most brutally suppressed the manifestation of the opposition. And you continue to maintain a relationship with him. Why? Because Saakashvili is your son of a bitch. "
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 5 May 2012 10: 12
        +10
        Quote: Vadivak
        “Recently in Georgia, President Saakashvili most brutally suppressed the manifestation of the opposition. And you continue to maintain a relationship with him. Why? Because Saakashvili is your son of a bitch. "


        When the Yankees need them, they will create from the fly of such an elephant that Mom Do not Cry. And when an ally, then you close your eyes to a lot. The policy of double standards.

        Everyone is looking for terrorists in the mountains of Afghanistan, while the real terrorists are sitting in a white house in Washington.

        The USA is the source and center of evil. I really hope that someone will destroy them. And Britain. They are not a state but a hooligan community.

        That's where the main prostitutes sit - it's in the US and Britain.
    2. Kievan
      Kievan 5 May 2012 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: Aeneas
      Konovalyuk is now not heard at all, he simply is not on TV, other media.

      You probably just do not watch the news. Konovalyuk scored a month with new accusations:
      People’s Deputy of Ukraine Valery Konovalyuk said that according to information he had, the cause of death of Oksana Makar was a poor-quality artificial respiration apparatus

      http://focus.ua/society/227781/
      a week later, prosecutors and doctors answered:
      Malfunctioning ventilator was not the cause of death of Oksana Makar
      To such conclusion the prosecutor's office of the Nikolaev area after checking the information published by the People's Deputy from the Party of Regions Valery Konovalyuk on the use of poor-quality medical equipment by officials of the city hospital No. 3 in the treatment of Oksana Makar ...
      "According to the information of the deputy head of the public health department of the Nikolaev regional state administration Yu.K. Dyachuk and the chief physician of the city hospital No. 3 of Nikolaev, from the time of their delivery to the present, there have been no complaints about the operation of these devices, "the press service of the Nikolaev prosecutor’s office said in a statement ....
      In addition, according to the explanations of the head of the department of the Nikolaev Regional Bureau of Forensic Medical Examination, the artificial lung ventilation apparatus (regardless of design) is designed in such a way that even when the inadequate parameters of the apparatus are set by the medical staff, the apparatus automatically turns off, which indicates that the gaps lungs as a result of improper use of the specified device is impossible....

      http://ukrday.com.ua/novosti.php?id=13841
  6. Commander
    Commander 5 May 2012 10: 35
    +2
    But our weapon for our guys ... It is necessary that the Supreme Court of Ukraine bring all matters to its logical conclusion. And then maybe we will find out how our Slav brothers from Ukraine shot down our planes !!
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 5 May 2012 15: 07
      +1
      Quote: Commander
      And then maybe we will find out how our Slav brothers from Ukraine shot down our planes !!

      Украинец Petrov knocked down a Russian Petrenko, here we have lived to such a swine !!
    2. Chekist
      Chekist 7 May 2012 18: 53
      +1
      Well, on account of the supply of weapons, I agree. I myself watched as the "Bukov" battalion was loaded onto the transports directly from combat duty and sent in the direction of Georgia. But the service numbers (calculations) were removed.
      And as for the participation of supposedly Ukrainian troops of the Special Forces, this is a dirty provocation ... Even simply because 80% of the personnel in these units are normal guys, brought up on indestructible Slavic friendship.
      And for Miho the moral people from the UPA, UNA-UNSO and Tyagnibokovskaya "Svoboda" went to fight ... This is a special meeting for these bastards and a bullet in the head! Here I agree with you all !!!
      1. Kievan
        Kievan 7 May 2012 20: 47
        +1
        What other Ukrainian nationalists in Georgia ??? To what ... Georgians are "specialists" from UNA-UNSO who, at best, have Soviet military training (it’s better not to remember Ukrainian) and no REAL experience of military operations. And this despite the fact that the Georgians had a bunch of instructors from the US and Israel, and the Georgian army actually participated in hostilities in Abkhazia and Ossetia, as well as in peacekeeping in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some real nationalists-specialists can gain at most two dozen. And what is the military sense of them? And why contact them when there are enough of our own?
        The only "evidence" that I saw from the Russian side was a homeless person in Ossetia who said that he had heard Ukrainian speech and several Ukrainian passports that Russian soldiers "found" there. The passport holders later told on TV that they had never been to Georgia, but they were in Moscow where they lost them. And the family, neighbors and colleagues at work are witnesses that they did not go anywhere to the war and have nothing to do with the army.
        1. kosmos84
          kosmos84 7 May 2012 20: 55
          0
          I chatted with the guys at the checkpoint (I was in the guard of officers checking the bp), they told me that, according to the locals, people had come and buked in Ukrainian asking for bread, etc., but the locals didn’t give them anything
          1. Kievan
            Kievan 7 May 2012 21: 47
            +2
            Quote: kosmos84
            I chatted with the guys at the checkpoint (I was in the guard of officers checking the bp), they told me that, according to the locals, people had come and buked in Ukrainian asking for bread, etc., but the locals didn’t give them anything


            Any Ukrainian speaks good Russian, and not so that you can not distinguish from Russian. Why speak Ukrainian with people who don’t know him?
            I have a neighbor SBUshnik retired, so he says (after half a liter) that in the bins of Ukraine remained nuclear warheads and a secret woodbreaker built on unknown principles and about a secret tunnel from Kiev to Moscow. He himself, of course, did not see, but they told him ...
            1. Eugene
              Eugene 7 May 2012 21: 53
              +1
              Quote: Kievite
              I have a neighbor SBUshnik retired, so he says (after half a liter) that in the bins of Ukraine remained nuclear warheads and a secret woodbreaker built on unknown principles and about a secret tunnel from Kiev to Moscow. He himself, of course, did not see, but they told him ...

              5 points good
  7. andrey903
    andrey903 5 May 2012 12: 44
    -7
    During the conflict, the Russian army seized almost all Ukrainian weapons. Let Russia and pay for it, the normal policy of traders
  8. warrior
    warrior 5 May 2012 15: 00
    +6
    Class.
    - Where is the vodka?
    - They sold it.
    - Where's the money?
    -Drank. laughing
  9. biglow
    biglow 5 May 2012 16: 17
    +8
    they paid $ 500 to Ukrainian specialists for Ossetia, and that’s all, although when they recruited they promised gold mountains. And even when the yushchenko refused to recognize veterans and officially didn’t have to pay for military operations, the builder from western Ukraine told how his son went to Georgia as a military specialist when they were recruiting, they promised to give out an apartment in the regional center, but they forgot and, as usual, they threw it, and in Ossetia they almost seized our landings and barely managed to escape.
    1. Chekist
      Chekist 7 May 2012 18: 54
      +1
      Well, his son wasn’t a regular soldier, he was 100% A former retirement or contractor ... Yes, and Western ukry a unique education ...
  10. cypr-igor
    cypr-igor 5 May 2012 16: 28
    +15
    Hello brothers! I enjoy reading articles and comments to them. Sometimes patience breaks and ends. I will explain-I Survive in Nikolaev (a small town where EVERYTHING is built! USSR aircraft carriers). My friends and I got the impression that there was a certain inflation! That was stolen gas they try to poison it with cheese, then specially rejected carriages are slipped by carriages, etc. etc. Guys bend us much cooler than you .And we hold on! Although you do not add fuel to the fire! Sorry I wanted to say a lot more, but so far poked the keys winked Happy New Year!
  11. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 5 May 2012 16: 56
    +8
    The article hit the target. The comments show who is who. Sane people from Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and the Baltic states, let us remember our once great country for at least a week, and on MAY 9, let us remind all our "partners" that this country is alive.
  12. Reddragon
    Reddragon 5 May 2012 19: 14
    0
    It is unlikely that in Ukraine they knew that Saakashvili would go crazy in 2008.

    It is unlikely that in Ukraine they knew that Saakashvili would go crazy in 2008.
  13. lotus04
    lotus04 5 May 2012 20: 25
    +3
    Yeah! Tbilisi is "awesome" "military-technical" friend for Ukraine! I would especially highlight "TECHNICAL". ))))))
  14. Stasi.
    Stasi. 5 May 2012 21: 14
    +5
    One thing is clear when the conflict started, Yushchenko sent Mishiko his anti-aircraft gunners in the order of fraternal assistance, because in Georgia there are practically no anti-aircraft guns. Georgians started firing from air defense systems and missiles hit the ground, none of them can handle anti-aircraft systems. As for the participation of Ukrainian mercenaries as such, this is not news for a long time. In Chechnya, on the side of the bandits there were many mercenaries from the UNA-UNSO. Perhaps they also showed themselves on the Georgian side.
    1. Chekist
      Chekist 7 May 2012 19: 00
      +1
      There were complexes, but there were no Ukrainian settlements! The nationalist of the "patriotic-svidomikh" groups, both the one you mentioned and others, fought there. Which in Ukraine, unfortunately, breed like the Chinese ...
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 5 May 2012 21: 32
    +3
    Also unclear is the behavior of the Ukrainian Prosecutor General’s Office, which undertook to investigate Tbilisi’s Ukrainian arms supply schemes, but suddenly stopped short of something and has been keeping intriguing silence for 4 years

    This can only speak of one thing; in power there are still people who have not profited badly from this!
  16. suharev-52
    suharev-52 5 May 2012 23: 15
    +3
    We, as always, do not own complete information, but use publicly accessible media, where often lies are deliberately thrown into a lie. Yes! Our planes were shot down, but if someone earned money there as a private person, then what claims may be against the state of Ukraine. If there were illegal deliveries of Bukov, then competent authorities should deal with this. Sincerely.
    1. NUT
      NUT 6 May 2012 11: 55
      0
      Quote: suharev-52
      we use publicly accessible media, where often a lie is deliberately thrown in.
      by the way, it appeared on the screens of the c / tv channels of Ukraine about 1.5 weeks after those events


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      personally, I have no reason not to believe what was said, and with those guys you can drink, definitely ...
  17. Magadan
    Magadan 8 May 2012 04: 44
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    Oh, how they want to drive a wedge between us, but finally to part in different corners! Wow, how the orange liberal is trying, money has to be worked out! And the Western "partners" are afraid to the point of insanity that the Russian Empire (USSR) in a new guise would not revive.
    Fear the NATO brothers and their liz ... fear.
    You have achieved a lot, ruined a lot, vulgarized our history, done a lot of troubles, but for nothing! Instead of a deadly disease, we received a wonderful vaccine against your lies, just as we received a vaccine from all revolutions at one time. We have the worst behind us, and everything is just beginning for you. The time will come, get to all of you. Just as we got to Berlin, we will get to all of you perverts.
    And whoever thinks to butt against Russia, let him remember what happened to the once great "butting".
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