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Hybrid F-22 and F-35? Tokyo allocates $ 55 billion to create a new fighter

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The Japanese government intends to spend around 6 trillion yen ($ 55 billion) on a project to create a new fighter for its air force in order to replace the outdated F-2030 in 2, reports TASS message of the newspaper Nikkei.


Hybrid F-22 and F-35? Tokyo allocates $ 55 billion to create a new fighter


Half of the allocated amount will be sent directly to the purchase of new 100 machines, and the remaining money will be used for maintenance and decommissioning of old aircraft.

“The most likely is a deal with the American corporation Lockheed Martin, which proposed to Japan a plan to create a fighter with stealth technology, which is a hybrid of two aircraft of this class - F-22 and F-35. The company will be ready to present a preliminary draft of the new fighter this summer, ”writes the publication.

It is noted that the use of F-22 technology is "an extremely important condition for Japan," which 10 tried to acquire these machines years ago. But then the Americans did not go forward because of fears that the secret development could get abroad in the "bad hands".

The hybrid aircraft is expected to "be able to combine the proven F-22 stealth technology and the latest F-35 equipment," thanks to which it "can surpass both of these machines in its characteristics."

According to the newspaper, the second option, which Tokyo considers, is the further promotion of its own stealth program, called Advanced Technology Demonstrator X (ATD-X).
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  1. Kaskad
    Kaskad 4 May 2018 12: 57
    +2
    USA with Israel sweaty rubbing their hands ...))))
    1. Logall
      Logall 4 May 2018 13: 03
      +10
      And what will they achieve by crossing the F-22 and F-35? F-28,5?
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 4 May 2018 13: 10
        +11
        Quote: Logall
        And what will they achieve by crossing the F-22 and F-35? F-28,5?

        Mattresses - cut down money, the Japanese - lick mattresses. soldier
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 4 May 2018 13: 14
          +8
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Mattresses - cut down money, the Japanese - lick mattresses.

          It is not that simple. The Japanese do not want to remain “naked” alone with China, S. Korea and us. Hence, such amounts and Wishlist.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 4 May 2018 13: 16
            +6
            Well, yes, I completely forgot that Russia, China and North Korea are sleeping and see how to fuck in Japan. lol
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 4 May 2018 13: 19
              +4
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Russia, China and North Korea are sleeping and see how to hammer in Japan.

              Well, yes ... it is you who tell the State Department and the leadership of Japan.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 4 May 2018 13: 20
                +3
                Quote: NEXUS
                it is you tell the State Department and the leadership of Japan

                And what's the point of wasting time? All the same, they will remain with their opinion.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 4 May 2018 13: 24
                  +3
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  And what's the point of wasting time? All the same, they will remain with their opinion.

                  That's it. Sabbath of geeks who do not care about their peoples. The Japanese come to Russia and what do they see? Militaristic power with gulags and curfew?
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 4 May 2018 13: 32
                    +2
                    And the mattresses are no better. They drew a horror story to their layman, and ordinary Americans come and see not at all what they fed them at home.
                    1. Hire
                      Hire 4 May 2018 13: 40
                      +8
                      I understand that the Japanese will pay for the creation of a new aircraft?
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 4 May 2018 13: 44
                        +1
                        That's right. Because
                        the second option, which Tokyo is considering, is the further promotion of its own stealth program, called Advanced Technology Demonstrator X (ATD-X).

                        mattresses will be killed in the bud. yes
                      2. Hire
                        Hire 4 May 2018 13: 45
                        +6
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        mattresses will be killed in the bud.

                        And do not go to a fortuneteller ...
                      3. alexmach
                        alexmach 4 May 2018 15: 57
                        +1
                        And this is the way, too. You don’t have to be a wang, that if you get something worthwhile, you can release a plane for the American army on its base.
                  2. NordOst16
                    NordOst16 4 May 2018 13: 46
                    +2
                    At first they see the road))) And some at this point decide to stop their acquaintance)))
                2. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 4 May 2018 13: 46
                  0
                  Well, the General Staff of the Russian Federation has its own concerns about NATO. So there is mutual
            2. NordOst16
              NordOst16 4 May 2018 13: 44
              0
              Everywhere your fears. For example, in Europe they laugh at Russia's fears of NATO.
        2. Logall
          Logall 4 May 2018 13: 16
          +3
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          lick

          This we will denote by the code "F-28,5". yes
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 4 May 2018 13: 17
            +2
            So be it! wink drinks
        3. Yrec
          Yrec 4 May 2018 13: 55
          0
          It will result in the F-35 Japs buying whether they want it or not.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 4 May 2018 14: 06
            0
            It will result in the F-35 Japs buying whether they want it or not.

            So far, the Japanese only bought modified American products. Like Israel. And if all is true - the first to get access to the F-22 technologies that were previously banned for export. Apparently under such conditions, they abandoned the independent development of their 5th generation fighter.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 4 May 2018 14: 18
            +1
            Have long been bought. And not only bought, but also assembled at their own factory.
          3. alexmach
            alexmach 4 May 2018 15: 59
            0
            So in the F-35 program they are already participating. Already collected the first instances on their islands.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 4 May 2018 13: 20
        0
        Quote: Logall
        And what will they achieve by crossing the F-22 and F-35? F-28,5?

        F 275 megabytes apiece with R&D. Pennies
      3. okko077
        okko077 4 May 2018 14: 44
        +2
        On the forum, many do not understand what to buy a 5th generation aircraft must not!
        The plane with the characteristics of the 5th generation becomes him only during integration to Combat Information Systems that are not for sale and cost much more than these aircraft ...
        Is it really hard to understand ?!
        Only Israel is trying to adapt American planes to its systems and will do so for a very long time, although it will try to sell elements of these systems to another campaign if "the navel does not tear" ...
        The Japanese are smart, and they don’t want to buy F-35 for American systems and their complete management of Japanese F-35s ... They understand, and many forum users do not want to!
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 4 May 2018 15: 07
          +1
          Quote: okko077
          At the forum, many do not understand that it is impossible to buy a 5th generation aircraft!

          what

          Quote: okko077
          They understand, and many forum users do not want to!


          - so, thanks, clarified
          what would we do here without experts
          yes
          1. okko077
            okko077 4 May 2018 15: 15
            +1
            Please .. If there weren’t such experts, dummies that produce only replicas, there was nothing to do on the forum ....
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 4 May 2018 15: 42
          +3
          And what? If you integrate the "penguin" into territorial information systems, it is 5 pok., I.e. he flew outside the "integrated" territory and he ceased to be so? Those. a small town bird tied to a certain territory?
          Shaw then does not fit in this indicator 5 pok.
          1. okko077
            okko077 4 May 2018 15: 46
            +1
            And the word "global" is not familiar to you?
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 4 May 2018 20: 31
              +3
              And to the question - Is it the most global ??? - weak to answer?
              Do not offer the World Wide Web, flying a couple of kilos up to the free wi-fi, do not connect if you are not aware?
              1. okko077
                okko077 4 May 2018 22: 39
                +1
                Pi_ndos has ... Watch the film "The All-Seeing Eye," from a technical point of view ...
                And about wi-fi, you shouldn’t be ironic in vain, MCTE is enough for target designation, if it weren’t for opposition .....
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 5 May 2018 11: 04
                  +2
                  Gee gee! To draw info from the film and all sorts of different silkworm opuses is .... 99% of modern public "analytics" if not nonsense, then fantasies of different debits .... they earn money!
                  Closed, REAL information in public space \ discussion no one lets !!!
                  In fact, there are global positioning systems ... more or less global there is only one, the rest are being pulled up to this level and EVERYTHING! Everything else is small-town, within a limited territory ... so far only time will show how it will develop further.
                  By the way, about counteraction - the most reliable counteraction is the circuit breaker, which disconnects specific transit / connecting nodes by one command! Klats and everything, all networks, networks and other information paths are disconnected! Klats and all CRASHED! Separate, self-powered nodes do not count, the matter is small-town,
                  The military is obliged to take this into account, therefore it is unlikely to focus on civilian networks.
                  Those. shtetl \ territorial networks \ systems et real, global yet, with due opposition of the enemy!
                  Those. again we are slipping into a war with the Papuans.
                  1. okko077
                    okko077 5 May 2018 13: 09
                    0
                    You probably got off the oak yesterday .. You’ll get fire ...
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 May 2018 18: 59
          0
          "Only Israel is trying to adapt American planes to its systems and will do so for a very long time" ////

          Already adapted, thanks for the care. hi Preparations for this adaptation are made in advance - even on the Lockheed conveyor line. Therefore, the aircraft received by Israel have a special name: F-35I
          1. okko077
            okko077 4 May 2018 19: 42
            +1
            This process and it has no end ... I say, you are not in the subject ....
      4. alexmach
        alexmach 4 May 2018 15: 55
        0
        And what will they achieve by crossing the F-22 and F-35? F-28,5?


        In my opinion, everything is logical. They will receive a heavy 2-engine horizontal-launch aircraft with a new avionics. Such an updated F-22. Competitor Su-57
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 May 2018 16: 35
          0
          Perhaps the F 22 is being deeply modernized: new engines, avionics, coating, anti-aircraft defense systems - no matter what 55 billion can be done.
    2. Yodzakura
      Yodzakura 4 May 2018 13: 21
      0
      USA with Israel sweaty rubbing their hands ...))))
      So maybe you will leave the USA?
      Or you will be escorted, I hope censorship works there.
  2. Muvka
    Muvka 4 May 2018 12: 57
    0
    That India would have allocated 55 lards for the creation of the FGFA, they would have had an airplane in a year. :)
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 May 2018 13: 02
      +11
      I wouldn’t. Japan will have ready-made American developments of drawings and technologies in computers: both the F-22 glider and the F-35 avionics.
      And Russia has a thorny own way of creating its first stealth. And here billions would, of course, help, but time would not be greatly reduced.
      1. Logall
        Logall 4 May 2018 13: 10
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        create your first stealth

        It has long been clear to everyone that stealth is not so stealth ... Only Aborigines with the old radar do not see it!
        With a spear for an edge
        With an old radar,
        With arrows and without -
        We run to shoot down stealth!
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 May 2018 14: 20
          0
          "Everyone has long understood that stealth is not so stealth ... Only Aborigines from the old radar do not see it!" //////
          ----
          I do not know what is understood by the natives, but all the latest military aircraft are constructed either with stealth or with elements of stealth. smile
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 May 2018 16: 36
          +1
          "Stealth" - a technology of low visibility, but not as invisible.
      2. okko077
        okko077 4 May 2018 14: 47
        +1
        You don’t understand anything in a 5th generation airplane, Moishe! Do not meddle, this is not your ...
      3. CYM
        CYM 4 May 2018 20: 58
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Japan will have ready-made American developments of drawings and technologies in computers: both the F-22 glider and the F-35 avionics.
        I doubt it very much. Rather, having received Japanese money, the Americans will give them ready-made planes, without the transfer of critical technology. And the Japanese for a long time will bring to mind the resulting "exclusive". winked
      4. okko077
        okko077 4 May 2018 23: 14
        +1
        You don’t worry about us, we’ll wash you and your pi_ndos, here not all technologies determine ... But we can think ... Stoparik 100 grams Cossack single Friday under a herring with sauerkraut and potatoes I will surely and will be going to the canteen .. Everything has already been invented and nothing shines with your patch of territory ....
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 May 2018 00: 32
          +1
          "Stoparik 100 gram Cossack single Friday under a herring" ////

          AND! I did not take this technological trump card into account. After stoparik nothing is scary. laughing
  3. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 4 May 2018 12: 57
    +6
    If such a program spins, it will be great. Such a fighter is needed by both the Japanese and the Americans themselves. And Israel, by the way. Do you need to replace the F-15 with something?
    1. NN52
      NN52 4 May 2018 13: 37
      +1
      Well, until 2030 g is still far away ... Maybe the Japanese and their pepelats will finish it ...
      And they will invest money in their production, and not in amers ...
      If they are not fully "bent" ....
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 May 2018 14: 24
        0
        They made their good glider, but, in my opinion, they don’t really know how to turn it into a full-fledged combat aircraft. If you give the "hybrid" to the Japanese, it will go slowly.
        Lockheed engineers should work hard, and the Japanese should help and learn.
        Here is the "pure Japanese":
  4. Samara_63
    Samara_63 4 May 2018 12: 58
    +5
    Japan already has the most powerful air force in the region ...
    1. thinker
      thinker 4 May 2018 13: 08
      +2
      The Japanese do not have the Air Force, they have the BCC (Self-Defense Air Force) yes
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 4 May 2018 13: 21
        +5
        This does not change the essence ...
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 4 May 2018 15: 36
          0
          Quote: thinker
          The Japanese do not have the Air Force, they have the BCC (Self-Defense Air Force)

          Then nippondzins have the most powerful BCC and, in essence, the fellow countryman is completely rightsmile
  5. bazzbazz
    bazzbazz 4 May 2018 12: 58
    0
    The USA, as usual, well done, forced the Japanese vassals to invest in US companies!
    Oh Japanese ...
  6. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 4 May 2018 13: 06
    +1
    Well, if he surpasses both cars in terms of performance, then the price will be more expensive than the F-22, the Americans did not pull him for the money, the Japanese pull?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 May 2018 13: 17
      +2
      Just one example when the hybrid was really GOOD ???
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 4 May 2018 13: 20
        +4
        by this word you can mean anything, in this case they just take the f-22 layout, the f-35 avionics and get the f-22 modern version, all the electronics are outdated on the original f-22 (outdated for them), only with this approach it’s cheaper than f-22 doesn’t work, there will be 200 lyamas apiece, but yapov have a lot of money, they can pull it, and given that they wanted to buy f-22 at one time, but the Americans refused, it’s probably their price arranges
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 May 2018 13: 49
          +3
          It will be a modernized F-22. Those. the concept remains the same, but the giblets are changing!
          This is not a hybrid, modernization!
  7. Valerevich
    Valerevich 4 May 2018 13: 07
    0
    Well, nafig, it seems to me that this is just a business, they will get financing for several years and then they will say that the trick failed, the fakir was drunk.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 4 May 2018 13: 07
    +2
    The name is what a Hybrid! I remember Shot, it is sculpted when the original products than why, do not suit those who operate the products! Ali, am I wrong?
    As a rule, the result is neither this nor that!
    Can someone tell me when the hybrid "penguin with skuas" or something like that, had at least a normal result ???
  9. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 4 May 2018 13: 11
    +1
    Please draw your attention to how the Americans work, for a long time: “chopping down” national development projects, in these areas, pushing through supposedly “fast financial interests”
  10. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 4 May 2018 13: 15
    0
    From crossing a snake with a hedgehog it’s unlikely that something will come out of track .. The stealth of these machines has long been questionable, however, as well as maneuverability in close combat.
    I can’t say anything neither for nor against - the Japanese Air Force has long been preparing for the upgrade program. Maybe something will make a breakthrough. At one time, “Zero” was a very good fighter ... Before it fell into the hands of amers and they did not find its weak points.
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 4 May 2018 15: 19
      0
      It doesn’t matter what happens, or hedgehog!
      The main thing is that "your Wishlist" is forgotten)
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 May 2018 13: 16
    0
    I don’t see anything special. Did Japan have to enter a tasty arms market? Yes. Is she an occupied country? Yes. How to "politely" cut money from the occupied territory? Yes, like that, sell something unnecessary. And very ephemeral ...
  12. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 4 May 2018 13: 18
    +1
    Let's be honest: the Americans will "kill" a competitor in the form of ATD-X and will urgently convince the "Japanese partners" to buy their plane.
  13. demo
    demo 4 May 2018 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Quote: Logall
    And what will they achieve by crossing the F-22 and F-35? F-28,5?

    Mattresses - cut down money, the Japanese - lick mattresses. soldier

    The Japanese remember: at the side grows a callos - China. He remembers very well how the Japanese behaved during the occupation of China.
    Is it weak to get an answer for all the disgraces?
    So they will buy and create their own.
    And money will never hurt Americans.
  14. Vard
    Vard 4 May 2018 13: 54
    0
    “But then the Americans didn’t meet because of fears that secret development might fall into bad hands overseas.” Most likely the refusal to sell is explained by the parameters of the aircraft that do not correspond to the declared ...
  15. shadow
    shadow 4 May 2018 15: 18
    -1
    Why do they need a hybrid? What does not suit their old junk?
  16. zyzx
    zyzx 4 May 2018 15: 24
    +1
    And when is Japonia (the moderators of spokuha is Japan in Kazakh), is going to extinguish the 250% debt of GDP?
    1. nikoliski
      nikoliski 4 May 2018 16: 11
      -1
      They owe mostly to Americans, and they owe them even more, it would be possible to write off debts by offsetting, but there are also debts of private companies (not only public debt), so they will never give everything back (as Americans do, the situation like Germany with the UK, both countries should count each other’s entire GDP, and to write off all too many bureaucratic (and other purely commercial) delays will be, but it’s clear that the British will not return their 7 trillion debts to anyone, until the war (and she will write off everything ) We are all foolishly trying to repay debts (it seems like it’s a “otmaz” to just legally transfer loot abroad, taking a bit)
    2. ZVO
      ZVO 4 May 2018 16: 41
      0
      Quote: zyzx
      And when is Japonia (the moderators of spokuha is Japan in Kazakh), is going to extinguish the 250% debt of GDP?


      But why?
      There is no inflation in the country, they have deflated for many years ...
      Have you heard such a term at least once?
    3. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov 5 May 2018 00: 55
      +1
      and they didn’t pay someone? All debt is serviced on time.
  17. nikoliski
    nikoliski 4 May 2018 15: 35
    -1
    Damn the Japanese dough! Respectos to them and I think they will be able to put their car into series earlier than we can produce Su-57 in sane quantities (the current few pieces a year, this is a drop in the bucket), and a factory near China in case of wars with them will be immediately captured or destroyed in current nuclear missile times; if you don’t move the plant beyond the Urals, as in the Patriotic War, you will get it everywhere and destroy it, so everyone will fight as they already have (and we have all Sukhoi-Komsomolsk plants on Amur, Novosibirsk , Irkutsk, in the range of Chinese missiles, even short range) For peace of mind, even 500 Su-57s will not be enough (not to mention the current 14) -if there are 50, then 10 nuclear warheads at each airfield (one trident in full load) they will be annihilated in the very first minutes of the "Great War", by the way, there are the West Molorians who make the f35 option with GDP, which will allow them to be placed anywhere in the Great Patriotic War, even at the edges of the forest (we won’t go through each forest missile launch b, an arsenal reduced by strategic offensive arms is not even enough for the USA alone) given the area of ​​9 million square kilometers and the defeat of the average warhead by the shock wave of an average warhead in the region of 25 square kilometers, it is easy to calculate that we would need more than a hundred to completely erase the United States thousands of warheads! (despite the fact that we now have only 1500 on strategic carriers and a couple of hundred more in reserve) China, by the way, on the territory (I'm not talking about the population!) is even a little more than the United States and is hiding its missiles in remote mountain areas of entry to which foreigners are forbidden (and under Yeltsin, the coordinates of ALL mines gave the Americans insanity!) so it’s useless to try to destroy all the Chinese missiles (they also have the analogue of our Topol in the woods) and there are nuclear submarines with ICBMs and hundreds of Tu-16s with copies X-55s (Ukraine alone sold them in the 90s) at any moment are able to “smooth out” our airfields as if they had deprived us of aviation in 41 (I think it's time to return to Soviet practice to build on secret underground bases for storing aircraft - one such helped the Serbs save the remnants of their aircraft during NATO attacks)
    1. NN52
      NN52 4 May 2018 20: 35
      +4
      nikoliski

      Wow, you have a good Friday ...
      Not early to start drinking strong drinks today?
      Just do not smoke after alcohol ... advice to you ...
  18. Div Divich
    Div Divich 5 May 2018 00: 24
    0
    For the money and technology does not require.

    Russia urgently needs to raise prices for technologies sold to India, otherwise we sell technologies very cheaply.
    And in response, only betrayal, friendship with the United States (I hope everyone remembers the barrel of the tank aimed at Obama in India).
    Goods can be sold at a cheaper price, but there is no technology, because we create competitors for ourselves, by selling technology we reduce our future income.
  19. lopvlad
    lopvlad 5 May 2018 04: 15
    +1
    Hybrid F-22 and F-35


    This race for "invisible" aircraft resembles the constant race for new models of iPhones, improvements and additions of functions to a penny, but the price is several times higher.
    I’m glad that Russia did not rely solely on the production of the SU-57 and delayed the PAK-DA project in time, otherwise we would have been left without strategic aviation for ten years.