"Antonov": go to the practical implementation of the project An-188

Kiev and Ankara made a decision in principle to continue the development of the An-188 military transport aircraft, reports RIA News message of the press service of the state enterprise "Antonov".

Ukraine and Turkey are moving to the practical implementation of a joint project to create a military transport aircraft An-188. This decision was made during the international aerospace salon Eurasia-2018, in which the aircraft industry of Ukraine was represented by the state enterprise Antonov,

says release.

The indicated aircraft is a modification of the Russian-Ukrainian transporter An-70 with the replacement of components by Western ones, as well as the installation of foreign turbojet engines instead of fan-engines developed by Progress Design Bureau (Ukraine).

The expected carrying capacity of the An-188 is about 50 t, the capacity is up to 300 equipped military personnel. The aircraft will also be able to transport military cargoes, including helicopters and other equipment.

Earlier, Antonov announced that the An-188 aircraft was being sent to the exhibition in Antalya, however, according to the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), in fact, the only remaining An-70 prototype was presented in Turkey.

Comments

[maxim947]

beautiful plane, sorry for KB, he soon kirdyk ... and no projects without Russia will not save him., The only question is time.

[gig334]

pictured is the An-70, which was being developed with Russia. More precisely, it was built for the most part by Russia, in Ukraine there were no funds and capacities for the construction of the An-70

[Thrall]

in fact, in Turkey there was the only surviving prototype of the An-70

Still, the An-188 is only in the pictures.

I wanted to read on their website about the plane. And the site is closed for maintenance - new pictures of planes draw
http://www.antonov.com

[d.zhuk2010]

A lot of interesting things can be seen here. If you are interested in the internal topics of aircraft manufacturers. https://www.aviaport.ru/conferences/18875/789.htm
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[Genry]

Now this aircraft with unique take-off and landing characteristics has turned into a regular one, close to Il-76 or Boeing C-17 Globmaster III ....
For Turkey, if production is launched, only a couple of dozen boards are needed. Other countries do not need.

[BAI]

No photos. Only models and drawings.

[figwam]

So there 90% of the components were Russian, now everything will have to be replaced with something, and this is considered the creation of a new aircraft, which will become much more expensive, and it will take years. Unrealistic.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: gig334

it was built for the most part by Russia, in Ukraine there were no funds and capacities, for the construction of the An-70

In fairness, all An-70s are built on Aviant.

[Genry]

Quote: Avis-bis

In fairness - all An-70s are built on Aviant.

Directly let them out .... as much as two pieces. Moreover, the first crashed completely. And the second - to a flattened state, although Russia restored it to its current flight state.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Genry

Quote: Avis-bis

In fairness - all An-70s are built on Aviant.

Directly let them out .... as much as two pieces. Moreover, the first crashed completely. And the second - to a flattened state, although Russia restored it to its current flight state.

What is the difference - how much? Crashed - the fault of the manufacturer (if it was built in the Russian Federation - would not it have crashed)?
I just said that all are built in Ukraine. Even if one is built, then this "all one" is built in Namerenk. "Company is a countable concept" © br. Strugatsky.

[Genry]

Quote: Avis-bis

I just said that all are built in Ukraine. Even if one is built, then this "all one" is built in Namerenk.

I didn’t want to say anything bad. Just the word "everything" to two planes sounds too grand. You might think of a couple of thousand ...
All the best!

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Genry

You might think of a couple of thousand ...

I think the members of this thread do not think so.

[jovanni]

Yes, it’s been three years now that everything that “Antonov” kirdyk has been talking about! And the deceased is smart ...

[Serge Gorely]

Quote: Jovanni

Yes, it’s been three years now that everything that “Antonov” kirdyk has been talking about! And the deceased is smart ...

And what are they "quickened"? The Saudis are already “flying”, now the Turks are stepping into the taxi ...

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Jovanni

Yes, it’s been three years now that everything that “Antonov” kirdyk has been talking about! And the deceased is smart ...

Alas, this is a wandering zombie, not a living shustrik. Since 2015, not a single production aircraft has been built in Ukraine. New developments are good. But without mass production, an air corporation is not an air corporation.
And of the prototypes, one is the modernization of a joint development with the Russian Federation, the other is a deep modernization of the Soviet machine and one is the distant heir of the An-148th (also with the Russian Federation), with zero chances, for the KC-390 already exists, and the An-178 - alas (And he has no multitasking).

[avt]

Quote: Jovanni

And the deceased is smart ...

Faster than that, the contract with the Saudis was closed to the campaign with the release of one semelet, now this.

[Sergey Gorn]

Where does the information on closing the plant come from? The first serial An-132 is already being built in Kiev, a total of 20 vehicles will be built. In Saudi Arabia, a plant is being built, commissioning in 2021, it will be more true.

[helmi8]

Quote: Jovanni

Yes, it’s been three years now that everything that “Antonov” kirdyk has been talking about! And the deceased is smart ...

I already gave this link in another thread, I repeat again:

The fate of most small and not very enterprises is known - they put an end to them. The Antonov concern has a different fate; it will continue to exist, but not in Ukraine and not with Ukrainians.
In Pucheng County (Weinan, Shaanxi Province) on an area of ​​124 square kilometers, the construction of the Luyanghu Modern Open Industrial Area is nearing completion, where two thousand employees of the Ukrainian Antonov Design Bureau will live and work with family members.

http://gosnovosti.com/2017/07/украинский-концерн-
Antonov-moving /
And the Chinese and Motor Sich still want to transport to themselves.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Antonov factory how many times were buried on the pages? Do not be afraid to make mistakes with forecasts?

[Kaskad]

Antonov is already in Russia! And these projects, bluff ..
Ah Ukraine destroyed such an aircraft industry .. Shame !!!

[dima9990]

Unfortunately, not all. An-70 we can not produce. It's a pity. Firestarter!

[Kaskad]

Quote: dima9990

Unfortunately, not all. An-70 we can not produce. It's a pity. Firestarter!

This is all in the past ..! If the "brothers" did not fall under the US and the EU .. We could create such things! But alas, now the specialists have left a part for us, the rest are pushing bullshit ..
Now the aircraft industry is reviving in Russia, everything is concentrated there! Give time .. Our Kulibins will give out such! (ok, I'm quiet)))

[mvg]

Yes, there’s no time, soon the Chinese in batches will start releasing what they had not dreamed of before.
// https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3007654.html //
Here, for example, a Boeing - 737 or A-320, and Khan MS-21. The Chinese are one and a half times cheaper, more comfortable and will do as much as needed, rather than 2 aircraft per year.

[ioan-e]

NIPALITIT!

[Kaskad]

Quote: ioan-e

NIPALITIT!

UU n hte

[ioan-e]

Quote: Kaskad

Quote: ioan-e

NIPALITIT!

UU n hte

JAVOL!

[evil partisan]

The Turks will be burned on this plane. More precisely on his nationality ... How to give a drink!

[bouncyhunter]

So I thought the same thing. Maybe there is some secret among the Ottomans that will not allow the racers to "throw" them?

[novel66]

There is, of course - to do everything ourselves, having received documentation from the KB. in any other way. Pasha. Hello

[bouncyhunter]

Roma Well, only if so. And to sell the aircraft Svidomo received at full cost with a prepayment of 100%.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: novel xnumx

there is, of course - do everything yourself, having received documentation from kb

The most likely course of events.

[Solomon Kane]

Looking at the project, a la 404 - e + Janissaries, came to mind the words of a children's song:

My puppy looks a bit
On the bulldog and on the dog,
To a diver dog
And on all shepherd dogs at once.

Paul! My regards!

[bouncyhunter]

Kostya, hi! That's when / if we see the finished plane, then we'll figure out what song it is from.

[novel66]

it is known in advance - "I blinded him from what was .."

[Solomon Kane]

"If," Pash, there will be!

By the decision of the Ukroboronprom GC on June 13, 2015, Dmitry Kiva, who held this post for 10 years, was dismissed from the post of president-general designer of the Antonov state enterprise. New acting Mikhail Gvozdyov, MP from the Petro Poroshenko Bloc from the Khmelnytsky region, was appointed president and general designer of Antonov, who, before being elected to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, was engaged in the car trade business, and, in particular, was the general director of Trans -Group LTD "and at the same time the General Director of Audi Center Khmelnitsky LLC.

[Wendigo]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

The Turks will be burned on this plane.

The plane turned out great, I’m sure it won’t get up for orders.
So I would be wary of vanging in your place, for the idiots it always turned out badly.

[AshiSolo]

"turned out" ????

[figwam]

Quote: Wendigo

in Uryakalok it always turned out badly.

So why do you have to lay down, there is no plane !?)))

[Solomon Kane]

"turned out" ????

That We should build a house ... Let's draw - we will live.
So that we can assume that it turned out ....

[dima9990]

To date, the An-188 is the only name. Did you mean that you got a great name?

[Lev Bronsch]

Well, you’re ours, you need to physically present the plane to get it, and not in the form of 3D images in PDF ... And most importantly, you need to understand who will buy it and for what money. Even leasing companies pay aircraft manufacturers, not to mention budget orders. Well? NATO instead of its Ukraine will give an order ??? On a still unfinished “litak” with unclear characteristics in the cost of maintenance, flight hours, repairs, etc. .... ??? Straight dumplings themselves jumped into their mouths, yeah, read . Well, you believe, because when you believe the rest it doesn’t matter, and the pictures for the plane will go down

[mvg]

More about 3D pictures in PDF, I want to learn ... ((

[the lord]

First, on 3Dmax, make a picture in 3D, and then scan the image to pdf

[demo]

And on board are two flags - ours and Ukrainian.
What is it for?
How svidomye not overlooked?
Or is the picture old?

[IL-18]

An-70. There were two, now, one. Until.

[figwam]

Near Omsk in 2001 he landed heavily, due to engine failure, and so the fuselage in half.

[Thrall]

Quote: demo

Or is the picture old?

Of course, the old, too lazy author of the article to look for a photo of a real aircraft presented in Antalya:

Moreover, the Antonovites also want to keep the version of the aircraft with screw engines and Russian components, calling it the An-77 and bypassing the Russian license rights for the An-70.

Model An-188:

[Lev Bronsch]

Wow, another expert partisan, but only bulbs, not the aviation industry. Sadly, but! I can sculpt such beautiful models for 5 days a day, and if you order the Chinese, then 5 million at a time. One sadness, toy "litaki" do not fly and there is no sense in them ... ... Have you heard anything about the engines of this pepelats, about control systems? And so yes, there is a modelka, An0 is called, here is no airplane. And "a decision was made to continue the development ..." Well, as they understand, no one needs this anywhere else except Ukraine, and Turkey is NATO and not the Turks to decide for the BTA, but they will consider the cost of a "series" of 188- ty "litak", and the development will end . And then, as you go to Antonov’s website, they ripple from the models in their eyes ... for only 3 years they haven’t made a single one (serial), but they live off Antonov cargo and NATO orders. Well, it’s unbroken ..

[Non liberoid Russian]

yes let them do it ... maybe the Turks will just spend it in vain, they’ll become smarter

[askort154]

Ukraine with the remains of Antonov Design Bureau, like a hohlushka on the highway. Well, take me, at least someone!
The Chinese, Saudis, Turks, Emirates Sheikhs - everyone promises to pay, but do not pay.

[Guru]

They made some kind of Lego out of an airplane, they don’t already know who to vparit it like the strongholds of Thailand. In a word, "Everything is deplorable"

[impostor]

Guys, and who knows - the 188th is balanced by steel plates like the 178th or is there no such disease?

[Thrall]

Quote: impostor

Guys, and who knows - the 188th is balanced by steel plates like the 178th or is there no such disease?

Is the 178th already flying?

[impostor]

At least the demonstration flight took place with a dozen steel slabs-balancers, isn’t it?

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: impostor

Guys, and who knows - the 188th is balanced by steel plates like the 178th or is there no such disease?

Is the 178th already flying?

You really do not know what flies?
By the way, the ballast most likely simply compensated for the temporarily missing equipment. The board is experimental, they could have missed something. No matter how the Antonov Design Bureau degrades, miscalculating with the centering is so much

[impostor]

They wrote that the glider was recounted and seriously screwed up - I had to load as many as 15 plates - not too much for the equipment, no? Plus for an alternative point of view.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: impostor

They wrote that the glider was recounted and seriously screwed up - I had to load as many as 15 plates - not too much for the equipment, no?

Of course, counted.
And how much do these "15 plates" weigh? If within, say, 500 ... 1500kg, then it cannot be said that a lot. Say, they didn’t manage to put a winch. And / or special RBEO (albeit microchips, but they also have weight). Personally, I have not seen in the open sources the layout of the An-178th airborne and electronic equipment, because I believe that it is not yet possible to speak confidently about design miscalculations.
EMNIP, the first serial Su-24 carried several hundred kilograms of ballast in the nose. So, this is not the first case, and not the last. Anything can happen.

[Berkut24]

Everything is written in the article - it is balanced by three hundred paratroopers, the coordinated dash of which in the cargo compartment sets the direction and altitude of the flight.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Berkut24

Everything is written in the article - it is balanced by three hundred paratroopers, the coordinated dash of which in the cargo compartment sets the direction and altitude of the flight.

Jokes - jokes: it was supposed to be used either by a mechanic or a co-pilot, as a balancing weight during the first flight of the Grand. :)

[GABALIS]

Everything is OK there, steel plates replaced with non-ferrous metal

[Berkut24]

The Turks do not yet know what hell they are invited to.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Berkut24

The Turks do not yet know what hell they are invited to.

I think that Ukrainians for a long time no longer pose a mystery - several centuries already. :)

[Kerensky]

also by installing foreign turbojet engines instead of fan engines,

And so it is possible? I am not an expert, but it seems everything will have to be changed.
PS Can I go back?

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Kerensky

And so it is possible? I am not an expert, but it seems everything will have to be changed.
PS Can I go back?

Much, but not all. Yes, the wing will twist in a different way, but, perhaps, the incorporated coefficients will allow an increase in the shoulder from the engines.
Dornier-328 and Dornier-328J are guaranteed. Or, for example, C-123: it was also a piston, but it was also tested with a gas turbine engine. Also look at the B-36J ... There are many examples.

[Lev Bronsch]

There are many examples of engineering solutions, who argue. Yes, but only if the Rolls-Royce engines, for example, Avionics Airbass, then why the hell would this pepelats give up for that kind of money ?? Moreover, Antonovites need to be serviced, and do they have a lot of warehouses and shopping centers around the world? This is not Ruslana, who are sitting on firm NATO contracts, and that is only because staff members save their resource for global masters, preferring to pay third-party carriers. I know that the g / n is higher and the compartment is larger. but most flights do not require a maximum. Therefore, the political feeding of Antonov-cargo and no more, so that finally all the specialists to China did not run away.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Lev Bronsch

There are many examples of engineering solutions, who argue. Yes, only if Rolls-Royce engines, for example, Avionics Airbass, then why the hell is this pepelats who will give up for that kind of money ??

I did not write anything about the economy. The Kerensky posting was about something else.

I know that the g / n is higher and the compartment is larger. but most flights do not require a maximum.

Not only the payload, but also the volume of the compartment. Yes, and the delivery speed (with refueling) of the Si-17 is greater if the cargo is carrying, but the An-124 does not have such a possibility. So, not only (not so much) is the matter of the resource, but also of the carrying capacity and capacity. And in cost, of course.

[mmaxx]

Everything is allowed. Who will pay? Behind each penny or dime allocated is a series. For a large series of expenses are smeared with a thin layer. But there is no series - the plane turns out to be golden.

[Rey_ka]

Well, here it is purely in UKRAinsky to take money from the Turks and then either "the donkey will die or the emir

[Servisinzhener]

It looks like Turkey decided to renew its fleet of transport aircraft while strengthening its aircraft industry. Which is not surprising with increasingly aggravating relations with the United States and Europe. I have a hunch that this Ukrainian conviction will again turn into a hail. Namely. Turks will not order planes from Ukraine, but simply buy documentation and specialists from Antonov. And soon there will be a premiere of a new transport aircraft from Turkish Aerospace Industries that looks like a twin brother to the AN-70.

[mmaxx]

Turks are an old trading nation. Maybe they already figured out everything beforehand, how to put on Ukrainians.

[mmaxx]

You can draw and rivet any crap. Call an airplane or something. But until this thing has passed the entire test cycle, no one will ever buy it. Only after this can an airplane be considered an airplane. Where will the Ukrainian aircraft be tested? Which were never Ukrainian. In TsAGI? At SibNIA? In Europe?
In Turkey, simple hardships? Or will McCain clap? What kind of shisha? Only fools like the Russians could help the freaks who crap at every opportunity. Pay woof:?% *; :: beggar like An-148 to the detriment of their plants and design bureaus. To develop all sorts of An-70s or whatever it is, so that later you get .... nevermind. I am sure that it would have turned out the same miracle as the An-148.
There has long been no level on Antonov. Ended with the USSR. I speak because I know. By indirect signs, but I know.

[iouris]

Quote: “The specified aircraft is a modification of the Russian-Ukrainian transport An-70” End of quote.
An-70 was developed in the USSR. After the dissolution of the USSR, the project was only ruined, and on both sides. That's right: why a joint project, if you decide to split the property.