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The best futures of the next five years. Chinese recipe for Russia

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Few people know, but in fact the Chinese economic reforms, which are now the measure of state economic success, began in the distant 1926 year. It was then that a Chinese communist student, Deng Xiaoping, came to Russia - the same Chinese politician who once said “it doesn't matter what color the cat is, if only it catches mice” and began those same reforms.




Young Dan came to us from France, where he studied, read Marxist literature, revolutionary newspapers in Chinese, published in Moscow, and also, perhaps (this is not proven), prepared assassination attempts on various opportunists from competing Chinese pseudo-revolutionary movements. He, of course, knew from the newspapers that in Soviet Russia it was very difficult: ruin, typhus, and in some places hunger. But on arrival it turned out that everything was not so bad: in the first country in the world the victorious proletariat was already ruled by NEP for a whole five-year period. Shops and markets were crammed with products, the Soviet government allowed private entrepreneurship in various sectors of the economy, the first concessions with foreigners began to work. It is clear that all this was accompanied by a lot of conventions: for example, the number of workers in a private enterprise was limited to two dozen, and it was possible to hire an employee for working the land only if the tenant’s family, working in full force, could not cope with the scope of work.

Of course, it was still quite expensive, and the standard of living of the population did not even have time to get close to the pre-revolutionary level. But “war communism”, thank God, was over, the surplus was replaced by a smaller tax in times, and the Russian peasantry, who had not yet forgotten how the earth could thank for the sweat spilled on it, was actively involved in the work.

That is, it was then that the young Dan could see for himself that the color of the cat was not so important: the Nepman "cat" regularly caught the mice and promised to the people who had born the USSR very good prospects.

Probably, it was this experience that gave confidence to the elderly Dan, when by the will of fate he was the head of the People's Republic of China.

And in China, the situation at that time was no better than in post-revolutionary Russia. The country under the leadership of the “Great Pilot” Mao experienced a “big jerk” - an attempt at reckless, thoughtless industrialization. More precisely, it was much more “thought out” than Deng Xiaoping’s spontaneous, in many ways, reforms. But the basis of the “big breakthrough” was basically ideological dogma and confidence that naked revolutionary enthusiasm is more important than professionalism, positive stimulation and understanding of certain economic norms, without which, as it turned out, no ideology works for a long time.

Mao Zedong did about the same as Stalin in the USSR. Only "better" than Stalin. Collectivization is not working? And this is because it is too small! More collectivization! Let the communes become larger, let them not only farm the land, but also produce, establish deep processing of their products. Let the iron smelted, at the end of it all!

And all this, as we understand, on the bare enthusiasm, the lack of interest of the peasant as a result of his work, while stimulating only with a whip, and not a carrot. And it brought the results ...

As for iron smelting, as we remember, China “caught up and overtook”. But it came at a high price - from the famine and poverty during this period killed about forty million Chinese. This is probably the second largest humanitarian tragedy after the Second World War.

This is the legacy inherited by Deng Xiaoping. A beggar people who dream en masse to find work for a bowl of rice (this is not an artistic exaggeration, they simply mean dry rice. You could cook a saucepan from a bowl. And if you managed to catch a couple of sparrows, the family went to bed almost full), the economy was not working, almost destroyed Agriculture. The latter is especially wild - China, in general, is a huge country, with a very favorable climate and many hardworking peasants. Truly, it was necessary to try to bring the country to this.

And then, in 1978, it all started.

Once again I draw your attention: Deng Xiaoping was not an economist. And his reforms were not even close to the standard of long-term planning. His reforms are best described by another of his catchphrase phrases: “Passing a river, we grope for stones.”

In terms of groping for stones, he was a pure pragmatist. The people are starving, and the "people's communes" do not give the proper result? It means that they are abolished by replacing them with a “family contract” and returning the interest to the peasants as a result of their labor. And the fruits of this policy did not take long to wait - in the early eighties China did not face the problem of hunger.

Following, or almost in parallel, were reforms in the light and manufacturing industries. It was logical - if more than 90% of the population live and work in the countryside, the processing of agricultural products will soon become a very important sector of the economy. And the success of China in this area, many of us who exchanged the fifth dozen, literally remember for themselves - how many were worn by us during the perestroika years of Chinese warm underwear, slippers, and sports shoes. And the Chinese lanterns, one to one repeating the design and construction of the Soviet, remember? And sneakers, from the same Soviet almost no different? And the Chinese wines from strange berries that came out on our market, suffering from ligachevsky lichobesia? Apples? Pears?

Here it is not so much the existence of these goods that we have. What is important is that less than ten years have passed since the beginning of the Chinese reforms, and Beijing has already sold its “elder brother” both foodstuffs and goods produced using Soviet technology! And it contrasted very much with Gorbachev's chatter about the necessity of new technologies, our backwardness “by generations” and so on.

The latter, by the way, is very sad. When Gorbachev and his “economists” talked about how much our auto industry fell behind, for example, China did not have it at all. And even then he lagged behind us "forever." But our cars and still hardly keep on their own market, and Chinese brands are already slowly pushing the Japanese on the world.

It so happened that Deng Xiaoping felt for the correct path of reform. From the base - agriculture, tailoring, I apologize, panties and t-shirts, through construction and infrastructure - to innovation and high-tech. Whether it was random or not is difficult to judge. Personally, it seems to me that the main economic talent of the Chinese reformer was his love for his own people. People have nothing to eat? Here you have the land and the opportunity to dispose of the results of their labor. People have nothing to wear? But you have complete freedom of entrepreneurship in this industry - even if you go to the weavers, even to a seamstress, and everywhere you earn on a piece of bread.

Then it became clear that the economy is like this, based on meeting the needs of citizens. And starting from the most basic, having satisfied them, you can move on - steel smelt, build skyscrapers, sell computers and mobile phones of your own production all over the world.

And then it turns out that the primary, basic convertibility of the national currency is determined not on the exchanges, but on the markets. And if you can safely exchange the yuan for the products of its own production, the government has to take care not to keep it from falling, but to save it from excessive growth.

Of course, China has some luck. For example, I was very lucky that the Americans supported the Chinese reforms, hoping to make the PRC a notable weight on the legs of the USSR. Thanks to this, China received very comfortable access to foreign markets, without which, let us say frankly, the success of the reforms would not have been so obvious.

It was lucky for China that after the sudden collapse of the USSR the Americans did not immediately recognize the level of the economic threat looming on them. Moreover, for a long time they continued to close their eyes to the growth of the PRC, since it was American companies that received a significant share of the profits from it.

We definitely need to keep in mind the geopolitical aspects that accompanied China’s economic expansion in order to understand one important thing - the Americans will not repeat such a mistake twice, and they simply will not allow us to create an export-oriented economy. They still have plenty of opportunities to limit our goods to access to foreign markets, and the situation we are seeing now illustrates this very well - only oil, gas and mineral fertilizers are expected from us. Everything else - under the sanctions, direct or indirect.

Therefore, the use of our Chinese experience is possible only with the proper formulation of accents. Namely, we must initially reform our economy, relying on the domestic market and domestic demand. And this means exit from the WTO, moderate step-by-step protectionism, growth of incomes and domestic consumption, satisfied by national production.

At the same time, which is remarkable, our raw materials and military exports will not suffer at all. That is, if we are completely honest, we lose almost nothing with such a change in the vector of development ...

But is such a change of vector possible with the current economic "elite"? And are our hopes for a new government justified, to wait for which did not last long?

Alas, I personally have almost no such hopes. And the point is not that all of our economists are liberals and Westernizers. Although not without that, of course. But much more terrible is another - in general, in principle, we have no imputed economic school.

A couple of years ago, when I first became interested in the Chinese economic phenomenon, it seemed to me logical to find the work of serious Russian economists on this issue. Indeed, the largest country, which also reformed the planned economy and gradually transformed it into a market economy. Moreover, this experience turned out to be incredibly successful, and with all the differences its study would certainly be extremely useful for economists themselves, and probably our economy.

I expected to find thousands of names, tens of thousands of works ... And this, I repeat, it would be logical!

But I found almost nothing. The experience of China turned out to be completely unclaimed by our economic "gurus". And what could be found was so miserable ...

In general, this is how our economists imagine everything (and this is not a joke!): Once Deng Xiaoping came to power in China, he allowed a market economy and free economic zones. Foreign investors rushed sharply into these free economic zones, brought money, technology, and everything began to turn. And then the USSR also allowed the market economy and free economic zones, but no one came, and nothing started to happen.

And the conclusion: we tried, but it did not work for us, which means that the experience of China does not suit us.

And if you think that the author intentionally primitives, then in vain - in the heads of our economists everything is just that, literally word for word.



Frankly, I don’t know if we should expect more from people whose entire education has come down to studying Capital, and life experience to the fact that Marx was wrong, therefore, in Capital, you need to stupidly change the pros for cons, and vice versa. I myself do not expect anything from them.

Russia is one of the few countries that do not have real economic problems, paradoxical as it may sound. Yes, we have everything for successful development - a large domestic market, an educated and skilled population, an adequate level of technological development, almost all the necessary resources, and so on. There are only people who can manage it. That is, our main economic problem is the pseudo-economic scab, which snapped up warm places even under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and which categorically does not allow anyone who knows and knows how to use real levers of control.

It is clear that the tree is recognizable by its fruits, and practice is the only criterion of truth. But it seems, at the level where these fruits could be assessed, draw appropriate conclusions and try to break this scab, just everyone is happy with everything.

Therefore, I do not expect anything good from the new government. Will it be Medvedev again, or the most inept Minister of Finance in the Galaxy, Mr. Kudrin, or a clone of Oreshkin, Siluanov ... Or even, pardon me, some Glazyev - so what?

And if so, let me give you, dear readers, advice about choosing a personal economic strategy: plant potatoes, this is the best futures of the next five years!

And we still will have political victories, except for jokes. And the military, maybe.

The main thing that the potatoes are not over!
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 4 May 2018 05: 45
    +21
    The main thing that the potatoes are not over!
    here it is the economic forecast for the next decade!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 4 May 2018 06: 00
      +12
      Vladimir hi This is no longer suitable for us. For China at that very moment was, so to speak, a paradise for investors .. And our country is currently in the wrong situation. That would be relevant in the early 90s ... But then the priorities were different Rob and fuck!
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      The main thing that the potatoes are not over!
      here it is the economic forecast for the next decade!
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 4 May 2018 06: 03
        +12
        Hello Dima ! hi The government is all waiting for investment! waiting, waiting, waiting ...
        1. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 4 May 2018 12: 31
          +13
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Hello Dima ! hi The government is all waiting for investment! waiting, waiting, waiting ...

          interesting, but they did not try to work?
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 4 May 2018 14: 06
            +10
            Quote: vladimirvn
            didn’t they try to work?

            Do they know what it is? I don’t ask if they can?
        2. the most important
          the most important 4 May 2018 15: 40
          +6
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          The government is all waiting for investment! waiting, waiting, waiting ...

          How many kind words do not say, and a pendel is always more reliable in organizing any undertaking! And who will give it to them ??? Poor Russia ... if it has such a government ...
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 4 May 2018 23: 58
            +4
            Well, pendal is punished here as an attempt to overthrow the government
        3. Mih1974
          Mih1974 6 May 2018 21: 32
          +2
          Do not smack nonsense, nobody expects anything there, EVERYTHING is busy there, stealing and stealing taxes squeezed out of the People fool am .
          HOW in the "wild" west they stimulate economic growth or even reindustrialization (usa) - they will reduce taxes and fees !!
          As in Russia they “stimulate” economic growth - introduce new taxes and fees !!!
          How Israel stimulate agriculture and hi-tech - it reduces the pressure of officials, taxes, simplifies the opening of "small enterprises" (startups) !!
          How agriculture and hi-tech are stimulated in Russia - they introduce new checks, requisitions, taxes "on the transportation of manure across the enterprise" belay , and throw out (plundered) billions through Chubaisyachtina and Skolkovo. negative negative

          So the author is RIGHT, we plant potatoes and buy cartridges for “Kalashnikov” “which we do not have” good bully So we will provide ourselves with both satiety and safety.

          I’ve been thinking about the “curse of Russia” for a long time - yes, yes, we, as a Country, are truly Damned. You always have what the World needs right now. We need coal - we have it, we need oil - we have it, we need gas - we have it, we need a "living space", and we can place and feed three China. And in the future we already have everything: rare earths - there is, drinking water - there are territories that are not subject to earthquakes, tsunamis, or flooding by raising sea levels - THERE IS THIS !!! It’s like “what’s the curse?”, And it’s “curvature of the brain” sad instead of the same Dutch, that for centuries we have cherished and cherished our Malnitsi and tulips, or the British have been cutting the same lawn for stupefying for 200 years, we think of it as “prey” and “development”. The comparatively "recent" our Empire "gluttoned" and "spat out" Alaska, then wars and even the collapse of the USSR, the reduction of territory, but this in no way even brought Russia and us as a people to its development and settlement. You will now die "of laughter" (although this is sad) but in Russia - there is still NO Cadastre of land !!!! Well, from the word at all. negative No, there are locals in big cities, but the farther from Moscow, Peter Öburg, they are less and less relevant there and more and more places come across where, from the time of “Tsar Gorokh,” they’re looking by eye where they are. At the same time, a huge number of lands in the "gray zone", that is, as if draws and no one dares to encroach on them precisely because you just start capturing and filling out - so immediately 100500 competitors will be formed and most importantly Chinusvigny at once to throw "like that without a rollback to our paw, well, STAND AND DO NOT PUSH. "
          You think that it was 90 - "collapse", but the figurines it was - "prey" and the division of the "dead bear". Virtually nothing has been created over these three decades, but the “dividers” for the first time are now beginning to “remake” again. And chinus pigs feed on the “Process”, they don’t give a damn about the result, they eat (stuff safes in Switzerland) from the control of the process itself.
          Well, so what do you want - here is the result !!
          Do you want examples of what the author’s proposed model looks like on our reality: here they started mowing lawns - jobs appeared and every year some people have stable incomes in the summer, and the population got rid of mosquitoes and beautiful lawns, people “wanted” spectacles and the administration became to allocate money for fireworks and one local comrade set up the production of these at a professional level, and now he is doing the same in other cities, the administration wanted to decorate the city - local designers created a company and it’s beautiful now about year, add comfort and beauty. good Yes, this is not China with its copies of iPhones, but how much they invested so much and received. good
      2. E_V_N
        E_V_N 5 May 2018 00: 29
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        For us, this is no longer suitable. For China at that very moment was, so to speak, a paradise for investors .. And our country is currently in the wrong situation. This would be relevant in the early 90's ..

        Investments are people's savings. The people of the Russian Federation keep savings in banks, because there are no other simple and understandable instruments, and banks are not engaged in investments, but in speculation in the foreign exchange markets. Foreign investment is also speculative money that does not have any economic sense, since there is an excess of currencies in the Russian Federation, otherwise its surpluses would not add up in US bonds.
        Therefore, all the lamentations of the government about the lack of money or the expectation of foreign investment is either a deliberate deception or a complete lack of understanding of the economy.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 5 May 2018 00: 38
          +1
          Quote: E_V_N
          is it either a deliberate deception or a complete lack of understanding of the economy

          Oddly enough, this is an excellent characteristic of your performance.
          Nevertheless, I am inclined to the second option - misunderstanding.
          It is only unclear what you are hoping for, hanging a footcloth here with such a load of absurdities in it.
          Quote: E_V_N
          Investment is the savings of people

          Even Vika does not agree with you:
          Investments (English Investments) - the placement of capital for profit

          Quote: E_V_N
          banks do not engage in investment, but speculate in the foreign exchange markets

          Banks are committed to making a profit. The bigger, the better.
          If investing will be more profitable and not as risky as playing the course, for example, banks will invest.
          This is the alphabet yes
          Quote: E_V_N
          Foreign investment is also speculative money that has absolutely no economic meaning.

          Rave. See above for a definition of what an investment is. If you consider that when investing in a project, the investor is vitally interested in the success of the project - nonsense squared.
          Quote: E_V_N
          there is an excess of currency in the Russian Federation, otherwise its surpluses would not add up in US bonds

          Rave. The "US bonds" is five times less than state-owned companies have occupied in the foreign market. It’s not we who invest, it is us who invest.
          Conclusion - see the beginning. And quit writing about what you have no idea.
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 5 May 2018 23: 38
            +4
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            It is only unclear what you are hoping for, hanging a footcloth here with such a load of absurdities in it.

            A similar question to you, you always differ in comments with a heap of words, labels and a complete lack of counterarguments. Apparently commenting on what you have a superficial understanding.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Even Vika does not agree with you:

            A very strong argument, well, if Even Vika I do not agree, then of course and definitely.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Banks are committed to making a profit. The bigger, the better.

            How are the profits of banks and investment in the economy? You yourself confirm that in no way. Then what is your remark about writing something?
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            This is the alphabet

            Here it would not hurt you to read it, for starters.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Rave. See above for a definition of what an investment is. If you consider that when investing in a project, the investor is vitally interested in the success of the project - nonsense squared.

            It is difficult to call the purchase of shares or the redemption of an existing enterprise investment. A foreign "investor" is interested in a quick profit, and not in the long-term development of Russian industry, so exclusively speculative capital goes to Russia. Although to whom I say this ... Golovan winked
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Rave. The "US bonds" is five times less than state-owned companies have occupied in the foreign market. It’s not we who invest, it is us who invest.

            Roman, do you know the question or are you naive as a child? 90% of “borrowing on the foreign market” is offshore money, that is, Russian money transferred to offshore according to semi-criminal schemes. Pretending to borrow money in the West, oligarchs simply withdraw profits offshore.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 00: 01
              +1
              I would like to believe you, but some rough edges in your presentation prevent me from doing this:
              Quote: E_V_N
              Investment is the savings of people

              You do not know the definition. Base. Investments have nothing to do with "people's savings" ...
              I gave you this definition, and received in response:
              Quote: E_V_N
              if even Vika does not agree, then of course definitely

              For your information: definition is almost always simple and certainly always unambiguous.
              Next:
              Quote: E_V_N
              It is difficult to call the purchase of shares or the redemption of an existing enterprise investment

              Just easy. It is called direct investment. This is also a definition, "this cannot be understood, this must be remembered" (c).
              I do not see the point of discussing further, because you are confused in elementary terminology.
              Read the alphabet request
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 6 May 2018 22: 23
                +2
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Investments have nothing to do with "people's savings" ...

                Unfortunately you can read, but the meaning of what you read is difficult to grasp.
                Speaking of "savings," I meant that the only reliable the source of money for investment in own industry is the savings of the population, but not foreign capital.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                For reference: the definition is almost always simple and certainly always unambiguous.

                The definition is certainly good, it’s more difficult to apply this definition in practice, it’s necessary not only to “pull” the quote from Wiki, but to understand which definition is suitable for the event.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                I do not see the point of discussing further, because you are confused in elementary terminology.

                The fact that you write your "crown phrase" about "I see no reason" I did not doubt at all. A banal reception, if essentially nothing to say.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 22: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Speaking of “savings”, I meant that the only reliable source of money for investment in our own industry is the savings of the population, but not foreign capital

                  So ... warmer. Although the thought, IMHO, is indisputable.
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Unfortunately you can read, but the meaning of what you read is difficult to grasp

                  I’m not Wolf Messing, and I don’t know how to read your thoughts. And, by the way, and is not obliged. Write clearly and it will be happy ... to everyone.
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Banal reception, if essentially nothing to say

                  Why, then? There is just something.
                  Only of you that you want to say, you have to squeeze in small portions, like paste from a tube.
                  Difficult with you wink
                  If you can clearly state what you originally wanted to say, I will read it with pleasure and, perhaps, supplement it. You can't - well ... okay request
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 7 May 2018 15: 35
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    So ... warmer. Although the thought, IMHO, is indisputable.

                    They weightily argued how in granite they carved for centuries. Find out more what "non-doubt" is.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    I’m not Wolf Messing, and I don’t know how to read your thoughts. And, by the way, and is not obliged. Write clearly and it will be happy ... to everyone.

                    And I don’t need to read my thoughts, comment on what you understand. And if it was not possible to catch the meaning of what was read, why comment, then what is not clear to you?
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Why, then? There is just something.

                    Well, tell me, since there is something to tell. And so these are just empty words.
          2. Mih1974
            Mih1974 6 May 2018 21: 38
            +1
            Forgive, read or listen to Khazin, who in simple numbers speaks of the Government’s hidden data, which in fact gives 6 trillion rubles "lying dead weight" belay negative . Russia has a huge currency surplus, the Central Bank is buying up the currency and literally littered with it to the very roof !! So "no money" - an absolute lie !!
            The most significant example of last spring - the Central Bank buys American securities at 1.5% per annum, and at the same time, the Ministry of Finance - sells euro bonds (borrowed) at 6% per annum !!! It has even been publicly raised more than once - no one has been punished (may be encouraged) any even the most absurd answer from the Authorities - NO !! am
            1. E_V_N
              E_V_N 6 May 2018 22: 32
              +1
              Quote: Mih1974
              Forgive, read or listen to Khazin, who in simple numbers speaks of the Government’s hidden data, which in fact gives 6 trillion rubles "lying dead." Russia has a huge currency surplus, the Central Bank is buying up the currency and literally littered with it to the very roof !! So "no money" - an absolute lie !!
              The most significant example of last spring - the Central Bank buys American securities at 1.5% per annum, and at the same time, the Ministry of Finance - sells euro bonds (borrowed) at 6% per annum !!!

              Sorry, but since VIKA does not write about it, for Golovan this does not seem to exist.
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 22: 42
              +1
              Quote: Mih1974
              The most significant example of last spring - the Central Bank buys American securities at 1.5% per annum, and at the same time, the Ministry of Finance - sells euro bonds (borrowed) at 6% per annum

              You, IMHO, "confuse the pedals."
              The Central Bank buys treasures in the volumes necessary to cover the current (approximately annual) needs in foreign currency. Credit service, procurement and other, and other. Roughly speaking - pocket money for current needs.
              This is confirmed by the fact that the volume of treasures by the Central Bank for 10 years ... has not increased, oddly enough. There are some fluctuations (more or less), but integrally their sum is somewhere in the region of $ 100-150 billion.

              The sale of Eurobonds is another song, and this money, in theory, should exactly be "invested in the Russian economy," for which comrade so advocates E_V_N. Their volume is determined from several other considerations. This is “other” money, like an analogy - a loan to repair an apartment, for example.
              Something like that.
              Quote: Mih1974
              no even the most absurd answer from the authorities - NO !!

              IMHO all this is so obvious that no special "answer" ... does not require request
              That something like this.
              PS:
              Quote: E_V_N
              Sorry, but since it’s not written about it in VIKA, for Golovan this does not seem to exist

              Nobody told you that you are a bore somewhere?
              Well, now: you still somewhere she laughing
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 7 May 2018 16: 08
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                The Central Bank buys treasures in the volumes necessary to cover the current (approximately annual) needs in foreign currency. Credit service, procurement and other, and other. Roughly speaking - pocket money for current needs.

                Your words, yes to God in the ears. It’s good if it’s as you say, but in practice everything is completely different. The state itself never directly engages in foreign trade and does not purchase goods; this is done either by companies affiliated with the state, as in the USSR, or by independent commercial companies. Regarding debt servicing ... it was just written here that treasurers place at 1,5% and borrow at 6%; the difference of 4,5% is direct budget losses, and state-owned corporations sometimes borrow at 9%, and then the state helps with recapitalization. And note, according to the rule developed by Kudrin, all gross state revenue goes to reserves at the price of oil (and derivatives) higher than the forecast of the annual price. Although, logically, the budgeted price of oil (and, accordingly, the proceeds from the sale) just includes debt servicing, foreign trade activities and investments, that is, all the needs in currency for the current year or three (depending on how many years the budget has been imposed), and additional income seems to be invested in additional development; however, according to Kudrin, they are subject to sterilization.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                IMHO all this is so obvious that no special "answer" ... does not require

                Not everything "obvious" to you is obvious and not certain in fact.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Nobody told you that you are a bore somewhere?
                Well, now: you still somewhere she

                Boredom is not the worst quality of a person. Boredom is usually called people who strictly adhere to logic, rules and laws, which annoys people living on the principle of "maybe a ride."
                That's something like that and somewhere there winked
            3. Vard
              Vard 7 May 2018 19: 11
              0
              6%?! And do you want 10% on government loan bonds!
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 8 May 2018 10: 35
                0
                Quote: Vard
                6%?! And do you want 10% on government loan bonds!

                So at a minimum I took it, otherwise there will be a tranche of 6% and there will be a cry about deception.
    2. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 4 May 2018 06: 00
      +12
      The main thing that the potatoes are not over!

      It is nevertheless required to complete the phrase. "OTHERWISE KILL". How do you like this option?
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 4 May 2018 06: 02
        +4
        I did not scare the local population ... you added.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 4 May 2018 06: 03
          +7
          But we are adults. We will call a spade a spade.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 4 May 2018 06: 05
            +2
            Shock! This is ours!
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 4 May 2018 10: 19
              +7
              advice on choosing a personal economic strategy: plant potatoes, this is the best futures of the next five-year period!
              “advice” was late, in “Zamkadye” one cannot live without potatoes, especially to pensioners.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 4 May 2018 21: 38
                0
                Now in Zamkadia on personal farms potatoes are grown many times less, this can be seen with the naked eye.
            2. vladimirvn
              vladimirvn 4 May 2018 12: 32
              +1
              shock again? And at whose expense?
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Shock! This is ours!
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 4 May 2018 14: 07
                +3
                Quote: vladimirvn
                Shock!

                This shock is for us! And which time!
                1. dSK
                  dSK 4 May 2018 15: 43
                  +5
                  sorry, some Glazyev

                  He is smart, he developed economic reforms to China. The Chinese brought them to life, we do not.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 4 May 2018 05: 57
    +20
    “Russia is one of the few countries that do not have real economic problems, paradoxical as it sounds. Yes, we have everything for successful development - a large domestic market, an educated and qualified population, an adequate level of technological development, almost all the necessary resources and so on. There are no only people who can manage this "......... I don’t agree ... Regarding the educated and qualified population. A quarter of a century of reforms killed Soviet education, vocational training. Technological development? Partially, because most of the technology came to us precisely from the west and partially already from China, because science was in the pen ... And I agree that there are no people who can manage .. No, because everything depends on the desire to get a fleeting result ..
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 6 May 2018 21: 42
      0
      With all the horror of education, there are still a lot of people who have, and are able to transfer to others, the highest qualifications. The only where the half-ass is - running the country !! Yes, yes, I'm not talking about the ability to steal, I'm talking about "setting goals and hanging up for failure to fulfill." But the main problem with “hanging up” in Russia, but without that, you can’t forgive anything, especially if the Manager is not responsible for the consequences of the action and therefore just steals, but why would he do anything for others?
  3. Basil50
    Basil50 4 May 2018 06: 31
    +6
    In China, mimicry under the external environment has been brought up since childhood. Inside their community, they stick to tradition, right down to clothing style.
    The fact that China took place as a state is only thanks to the SOVIET UNION. Under Mao, China had the same processes as in Ukraine today. Independence seizure and writing of ancient history up to * Pekinopithek *. The joke with the terracotta army has already been forgotten today and they are seriously discussing * antiquity * figures. With the wall, all-Chinese preparations for * restoration * have already been forgotten, after which pseudo-Chinese stone carving began to appear. In Beijing, STILL, there are STATE workshops for the production of * ancient books * on bamboo and much more.
    China, with US money, built up production facilities, but there are no programs to develop their own citizens, that is why they have to steal technologies and steal the developers of these technologies.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 May 2018 07: 31
      +7
      Quote: Vasily50
      only there are no programs for the development of their own citizens, from which they have to steal technologies and steal the developers of these technologies.

      This is not true. China launched education reform in the 85 year. They have a mandatory nine year old. And the fact that they steal technology does not see anything wrong with that. Why invent a lisaped? By the way, they have ten times as many patents for inventions as ours.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 07: 37
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        they have ten times as many patents for inventions as ours

        This, by the way, absolutely does not mean anything request
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 May 2018 07: 45
          +9
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          This, by the way, absolutely does not mean anything

          Well, I personally see in this at least that they are at least interested in the appearance of inventions. And we have a torment to punch a patent. After all, they themselves talked about the chemical crap that your father invented.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 07: 49
            +2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Well, I personally see at least that they are at least interested in inventions

            Not quite.
            A patent is, in fact, a way to stake out a certain (conditionally new) combination of something with something. Like a dog marks a corner, such as "mine."
            And no more.
            The value of such patents is practically zero, no one will ever buy them and the patented will not be applied.
            Another thing is that, purely statistically, in this sea of ​​ore, a couple or two of something really valuable can happen to be accidentally. Or maybe not.
            That's about as yes
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 4 May 2018 07: 57
              +5
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Another thing is that, purely statistically, in this sea of ​​ore, a couple or two of something really valuable can happen to be accidentally. Or maybe not.

              Yes, I don’t argue with that. I just do not agree that there are no citizens development programs in China. There is. Moreover, the load in schools is huge.
    2. Romulus
      Romulus 4 May 2018 10: 28
      +4
      Watch your hands - the first written mention of China as a state in 3500 years .. eat the number .. Today there is no more dangerous “partner” than a tea-house, it will simply eat us like an anaconda .. while hurray patriots on sofas are fighting with the USA.
      Quote: Vasily50
      The fact that China took place as a state is only thanks to the SOVIET UNION
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 4 May 2018 12: 02
        +2
        Do not believe, there were several Chinas before the twentieth century. The single emperor in the literal sense of the word was appointed by the colonialists. The history for the Chinese was made by the Jesuits. In Ukraine, they also write * ancient history * * Ukrainians *. In China in the fifties, the same processes took place as in Ukraine today, right up to local civil wars.
        To the real antiquities, which nevertheless exist and are found by archaeologists, the narrow-eyed Chinese do not have a relationship. Chinese historical writings describe those who lived in those territories and developed, up to a description of appearance. Even the deified Confucius was not Chinese, his portraits and his descriptions were preserved. Those who are called today * Chinese * aliens on these lands.
        The word - China, purely RUSSIAN origin.
        1. Romulus
          Romulus 4 May 2018 12: 08
          +1
          The Chinese (the self-name is Hanzu, Hanzhen, also Zhongguo Ren, literally "a man of the Middle State", that is, the Chinese) - the people that make up the vast majority of the population of China, the largest people in the world. The total number of 1125 million people, including 1094 million people in China and about 20 million people in Taiwan
          Quote: Vasily50
          The word - China, purely RUSSIAN origin.

          It's hard to argue with you) I agree, we - the Russians invented China (word) fellow
          PS And the damned arrogant Saxons - tea .. (I write as much as possible to you))
          1. svd-xnumx
            svd-xnumx 4 May 2018 21: 27
            +1
            Quote: Vasily50
            The word - China, purely RUSSIAN origin.
            It's hard to argue with you) I agree, we - the Russians invented China (word)
            A whale-type of a fortification in Russia in the form of a wooden log house or a double palisade filled with a mixture of stones and earth (or only land). This was in ancient times the "Great Wall of China" and in Russia the people who lived behind it were called the Chinese. This is one of the versions origin of the word china. And there is another version that the wall was built to protect itself from the same ancient Chinese.
  4. samarin1969
    samarin1969 4 May 2018 07: 04
    +4
    "And we will still have political victories, except for jokes. And the military, maybe." -
    "... you can only believe in Russia," perhaps nothing more remains.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 4 May 2018 07: 29
      +12
      That would defeat someone in terms of living (well, except Honduras). And then we only consider "political" victories. Although I won’t understand who and where we won. No.
      1. The_X_Factor
        The_X_Factor 4 May 2018 15: 30
        +1
        What is wrong with your standard of living?
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 6 May 2018 08: 58
          +1
          Now everything is in order. But with a shudder I’m thinking about the time when I will have to retire. And I’m sure that I’m not the only one. And I’ll go to “YOU” with you. hi
  5. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 4 May 2018 07: 13
    +11
    the author writes that Russia has no eco-economic problems ... There is! the main problem is that we entered the world market as an amateur boxer against Mike Tyson - unprepared. The world market is beef from Argentina, consumer goods from China, phones from Korea - i.e. minimum cost, huge volumes, well-developed schemes - we have none of this! And to get out of the WTO - this should be explained to Putin and not to the Russians.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 May 2018 07: 19
    +7
    The experience of China was completely unclaimed by our economic "gurus"
    So they believe that they themselves with a mustache, that's just the "mustache" sticking out western. It’s a little bit that “right now in the United States ...”, and if you give a hint about the Chinese experience, they immediately remember that we have our own way.
  7. Oleg Jacket
    Oleg Jacket 4 May 2018 07: 25
    +6
    all 100 agree with the author
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 4 May 2018 07: 55
    +14
    A couple of years ago, when I first became interested in the Chinese economic phenomenon,

    It took a couple of years to understand the simple truth: that in Russia, a certain group of people climbed up and does everything to prevent others from going there? A serious “discovery” ... It is a pity the author, who is interested in studying Chinese reforms and quoting Deng Xiaoping, did not cite another of his phrases - “All that is not forbidden is allowed,” which he answered to local officials and party members who began to complain about “excessive "entrepreneurial activity of citizens. Also, the author did not note that Deng Xiaoping assigned a huge role to the correct accounting of everything, honest statistics without which it is impossible to maneuver resources and planning. In order to provide for the occupation, which was largely lost in the new conditions of the party members, he forced them to keep all the records, making this the main task, rather than putting forward slogans, as before. In addition, Deng Xiaoping wisely acted, not pushing away from himself and his reforms the adherents of the teachings of Mao, he did not oppose the new development of China to the old attitudes of Mao, but did everything to ensure, as it were, the continuity of new trends to the old teachings of Mao. In Russia, on the contrary, Stalinism is recognized as criminal, which pushed away the old generation, brought up on the achievements of socialism. And by the way, Deng Xiaoping, said that China is "striving" for communism, which is sure to be established throughout the world, he does not know when this will happen, but he is sure that there will be a lot of "Chinese" in it .... but for now .. .. China is building socialism with Chinese characteristics, in which .... the Chinese Communist Party harmoniously took the former place of the traditional governing body ..... "That is, this phrase even hinted at succession to imperial China .... Such was the person .. ..
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 4 May 2018 10: 40
      +8
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      "Allowed is not forbidden,"

      Fat man, we chewed this phrase too - used it, then buried it ... and as a result - from 3,2% in 2000 in world GDP to 1,8 today. Remained in solace, motorcycle rides (ATVs) at the Great Patriotic War parade and cartoons .. I think the first series)
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 11: 17
        +2
        Quote: Romulus
        Uryakalam motocross (ATVs) at the Great Patriotic War Parade and cartoons ..

        About parades and cartoons: I just watched a rehearsal of the air part of the parade. After the Knights - Strizhi, a pair of MIG-31s ​​passed with a white racket under their belly.
        Cartoons, speak? And "motorcycle races?" Nude nude wink
        1. Romulus
          Romulus 4 May 2018 11: 58
          +6
          Quote: Golovan Jack

          0
          Golovan Jack (Roman) Today, 11:17 ↑ New
          Quote: Romulus
          Uryakalam motocross (ATVs) at the Great Patriotic War Parade and cartoons ..

          About parades and cartoons:

          Novel hi Leave skazki) idiotam - under the belly of the 31st Che we want to hang, hell - "Glory to work"))
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 13: 05
            +1
            Quote: Romulus
            under the belly of the 31st, we want to hang them, hell - "Glory to work"))

            Yes it’s understandable ... well, but there is where to hang... I saw it myself (s)
            The office where I work right now is well located: all this shnyaga flies from the horizon directly to the window, and flies exactly above us.
            16th floor, glass wall. Spectacle - stunned just belay
            1. Romulus
              Romulus 4 May 2018 13: 10
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Office where I work

              fellow Jack - Roman, I’m glad that you were bored with a bunchheater on air.lol
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 4 May 2018 21: 25
        +1
        Quote: Romulus
        Fat man, we chewed this phrase too - used it, then buried it ... and as a result - from 3,2% in 2000 in world GDP to 1,8 today.

        Romulus, still chew on the Old: in 2000, oil cost 110 us dollars and now .... GDP is a wrong indicator, it equates cell phones with minerals that are there, you don’t need to produce them. Therefore the situation is much worse
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 4 May 2018 21: 49
          0
          In 2000, oil was not worth that much.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 4 May 2018 19: 18
      +9
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      It took a couple of years to understand the simple truth: that in Russia, a certain group of people climbed up and does everything to prevent others from going there?

      Are you seriously? Who understood this except you? The recent elections have shown that this is not so. How can someone let the GDP go up, except for Medvedev? And he will already pull his own. And those of their own. The power in the country will soon be inherited, what kind of promotion is smart and promising! You just need to be born in the right family and get everything by inheritance. Born to crawl can not fly
  9. Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 May 2018 08: 46
    +16
    I remember the beginning of the 70s. They lived well in the Union. But in China in every yard they put blast furnaces to smelting cast iron, and they chased sparrows with all of China so that the Chinese would not steal grain. But now China is a great country, and Russia is a great ruler.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 4 May 2018 08: 51
      +17
      And we are trying to be proud of past greatness. Since there is nothing to be proud of in the present.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 11: 19
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      now China is a great country, and in Russia a great ruler

      The story develops in a spiral.
      However, this does not concern you. request
    3. The_X_Factor
      The_X_Factor 4 May 2018 15: 35
      0
      China is a great country only in the minds of domestic alarmists.
      Smart people know that in great China there is not even a single, normal language. There is pinyin (mandarin), something else, well, a billion different languages.
      China is a great factory for mobiles, sneakers and other things, but not a country.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 4 May 2018 17: 05
        +7
        Have you been in Yakutia for a long time? Do you think that they speak a lot of Russian? In Russia, there are no less languages ​​than in China
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 4 May 2018 21: 58
          0
          The acquaintances who worked there say that everyone without exception speaks Russian. Rather, there is a mass of Yakuts who do not speak Yakut.
        2. The_X_Factor
          The_X_Factor 5 May 2018 10: 48
          0
          If three Yakuts in a remote village do not know Russian, this is their problem.
          Only in China, millions will not understand millions, and in Russia, three Yakuts will not understand almost one and a half hundred millions.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 4 May 2018 19: 21
        +5
        Quote: The_X_Factor
        in great China there is not even a single, normal language.


        Do you have any in Dagestan? There 2 neighboring villages cannot speak among themselves; there is no common language
        1. The_X_Factor
          The_X_Factor 5 May 2018 10: 47
          0
          There is. Russian language connecting all of Russia. And two auls are not 300 million and 700 million. But don’t think about it, believe in great China.
    4. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 4 May 2018 21: 55
      +2
      In the 70s, neither cast iron was smelted in yards, nor sparrows were chased. It was during the absurd “great leap”, back in the late 50s and early 60s, a few years before the start of the Cultural Revolution.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 5 May 2018 06: 59
        +2
        early 60s
        childhood impressions, perhaps this figure is closer to the truth.
  10. Brigadier
    Brigadier 4 May 2018 08: 49
    +2
    The main thing today is to drive out mice from power and circum-power structures. And their name is Legion!
    And most importantly, the names of these "Japanese-mother" mice vaguely remind us of something: Bear, Kudrya, Nabiulya, Chubaysya, Gref ... and other mice, which in these structures bred before fucking ...
    We are waiting for the cat to get to work, or the mice will devour everything that they can reach ...
    Then the cat may die of hunger ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 4 May 2018 09: 10
      +6
      Everything will be, but vice versa .... In the photo: Cat: "Yes, you are joking ..... What, and let this go, to us, to live?"
  11. MaKeNa
    MaKeNa 4 May 2018 08: 51
    +14
    You know why there is no economic research in China. Because it is like a sickle to liberals ..... Here is their option. no others! Even our leader never once hinted at the Chinese experience, Never !! Classic capitalism is important for them !!! They do not need socialism with a capitalist face !!! Therefore, they do not even stutter about China.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 May 2018 08: 55
      +8
      Quote: MaKeNa
      Therefore, they do not even stutter about China.

      Exactly. And they write about China full of all sorts of nonsense, such as how they are starving, and work for pennies.
      1. The_X_Factor
        The_X_Factor 4 May 2018 15: 37
        0
        Right now, to consider that in a country without 1,5 billion people, most of this population lives at least at the level of Ukraine, yeah.
    2. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 4 May 2018 15: 36
      +1
      Where is socialism in China? The medicine is paid, the pension fund is only in the cities. The property is private. Apartments do not give for free. What is socialist in China except the party?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 May 2018 15: 54
        +5
        Quote: hhhhhhh
        Kozma Minin friend of Pozharsky

        I don’t understand who wrote to me, you, or Factor, but oh well. The Chinese model of socialism has much in common with the Stalinist USSR. There, too, the state did not pay pensions to everyone.
        Quote: The_X_Factor
        Right now, to consider that in a country without 1,5 billion people, most of this population lives at least at the level of Ukraine, yeah.

        The average salary is 850 dollars a month, yeah. And civil pilots, for example, get up to 30 thousand greens, yeah. The number of poor according to official figures in China is about 10%, in Russia - 15%. Private pension funds are available. He wrote about education above, nine-year-old is obligatory. Study - 10 hours a day. Illiteracy - 4%, in the 60-s -80%. In India, for example, illiterate - 44%.
        1. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 4 May 2018 16: 24
          0
          Socialism has nothing to do with salary.
          Literacy in the USSR was already to 30.
          If you compare the poor in Russia, this is a person with an apartment, most likely in China the poor is very poor.
          Where is socialism in China?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 May 2018 16: 42
            +3
            Quote: hhhhhhh
            If you compare the poor in Russia, this is a person with an apartment, most likely in China the poor is very poor.

            In China, there is guaranteed housing. For rent by the state, as in the USSR.
            Quote: hhhhhhh
            Literacy in the USSR was already to 30.

            So after all, China took up education in the 85 year. Over the past 30 years, 700 million people have ceased to be poor in China. These are the words of the UN Secretary General.
            1. hhhhhhh
              hhhhhhh 4 May 2018 18: 17
              0
              In China, there is guaranteed housing.
              In the village too?)))
              What then is socialism?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 4 May 2018 18: 32
                +2
                Quote: hhhhhhh
                In the village too?))

                Do not know. However, the USSR also built little in the countryside.
                Quote: hhhhhhh
                What then is socialism?

                So did we have socialism or not? The state rented the apartments, they did not belong to us. China has exactly the same practice if you cannot buy housing.
                1. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 4 May 2018 19: 53
                  +1
                  The USSR also built little in the countryside.
                  Before the revolution in the village there were tractors, cowsheds, houses of culture. Village children in the USSR had the opportunity to graduate. Khrushchev built so much on Tselin, under the USSR,
                  they did not belong to us.
                  That is the key question. You do not know what socialism is and my whole conversation was to encourage you to read books and find out what socialism is.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 4 May 2018 20: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: hhhhhhh
                    to encourage you to read books and find out what socialism is.

                    No I do not want. I’m on the drum how to determine the current system in China, since they are talking about socialism, they know better. I am surprised by commentators who comment on life in China, without even trying to learn at least something about their current life.
                    Quote: hhhhhhh
                    Khrushchev built so much on Tselin, under the USSR,

                    So the USSR is multifaceted. The Stalinist USSR was very different from Khrushchevsky. Here we can argue until blue in the face what socialism is, but the fact is that the Chinese themselves think. And their successes are visible. And higher education in the USSR did not immediately become free. According to Chinese philosophy, they are now in the Renaissance (maybe it’s called a little differently, too lazy to remember), then the golden age will come. (years through 15 approximately). And then it will be very interesting to look at them.
                    1. hhhhhhh
                      hhhhhhh 5 May 2018 09: 14
                      0
                      No I do not want. I do not give a damn,
                      What for!!!! you write here and read here. What for!!!

                      I am surprised by commentators who comment on life in China, without even trying to learn at least something about their current life.
                      I have been to China, I am interested in China, I study Chinese, I communicate with the Chinese. I am a Chinese fanatic))))
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 5 May 2018 13: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        What for!!!! you write here and read here. What for!!!

                        Unlike you, an amateur Sinist, I am quoting at least some figures here, rather than crying, trying to define socialism.
                        Quote: The_X_Factor
                        which supposedly is higher in Russia (which, of course, is not so), and about universal literacy.

                        Figures in the studio, a miracle.
                    2. hhhhhhh
                      hhhhhhh 5 May 2018 19: 57
                      0
                      Figures in the studio, a miracle.
                      What for!!! You are already a witness to Navalny for life.)))) The universal literacy given to you by socialism played a cruel joke on you. You consider yourself smart, but it's not the mind, it's just the ability to write and read.))))
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 5 May 2018 21: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        You consider yourself smart

                        I do not think, do not worry. But from you, apart from the ability to read and write, and numerous brackets, I really did not see anything. Let then deviate.
                    3. hhhhhhh
                      hhhhhhh 6 May 2018 08: 53
                      0
                      I do not think, do not worry.
                      Q.E.D. Only fools go to witness Navalny. There they and the road.)))
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 May 2018 09: 22
                        0
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        Only fools go to witness Navalny. There they and the road.)))

                        Don’t write me anymore here, laughter clown. I will not answer. And so I already understood that you are a dumbbell. And you can hang a portrait of Navalny at home on your wall, since you remember him so often.
                    4. hhhhhhh
                      hhhhhhh 6 May 2018 09: 28
                      0
                      Don't write me more here
                      Don't you know the word freedom? I want and write.
                      And you can hang a portrait of Navalny at home on your wall, since you remember him so often.
                      Whatever portrait is hanging on your wall, he is not lucky to have such a supporter, an under-educated schoolboy.))) Read thick books. !!!
        2. The_X_Factor
          The_X_Factor 5 May 2018 10: 53
          0
          My miracle, do not talk nonsense about average wages in impoverished China, where a lot of people live in godforsaken villages, about poverty, which supposedly is higher in Russia (which, naturally, is not so), and about universal literacy.
  12. vlad007
    vlad007 4 May 2018 09: 26
    +3
    The article is another set of general phrases - no specifics, the author would write at least one figure, for example, GDP per capita in Russia and China. In Russia, nominal GDP per capita is higher than in China, just do not mind PPP GDP, this is a very difficult way to compare, because it depends on the list of products for which the comparison is made. You can make such a comparison list that our PPP GDP will be higher than in the United States. There are a lot of Chinese, therefore, their economy is large, but they have no less problems.
  13. sa-ag
    sa-ag 4 May 2018 09: 39
    +4
    China did not take place on its own and not only because Deng Xiaoping allowed everything there, but because Western companies began to place production there because of the low cost of the product there, China began to require more and more energy resources, oil prices went up to a record , China has earned so much from all of this that it now invests in various projects around the world
  14. turbris
    turbris 4 May 2018 10: 05
    +2
    "That is, our main economic problem is that pseudo-economic scab that grabbed warm spots even under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and which categorically does not allow anyone who knows anything and knows how to real control levers." All articles on economics boil down to exactly this, instead of serious justifications for any economic course, calls for fighting those who are now driving the economy. Where are these, who knows and knows something? It is not enough to know something to manage the economy, and the most “smart” economists, in addition to calls to take and take everything away and then share it, cannot offer anything. Of course, the Chinese experience is not applicable to Russia, if only because there will never be such investments from abroad and the Chinese export-dependent economy is not an example to follow. Maybe it is time for our leading economists to end the struggle among themselves and work out a single concept for the development of the Russian economy?
  15. Colonel
    Colonel 4 May 2018 11: 08
    +9
    the main economic talent of the Chinese reformer was his love for his own people

    I think this is the main idea inherent in the article. And how does it compare with our realities?
    1. The_X_Factor
      The_X_Factor 4 May 2018 15: 39
      0
      With yours - nothing. Right now I would explain for "lubof" in 2k18.
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 4 May 2018 16: 36
        +1
        Someone pulled a choke, blue, hexagonal. Why?
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut 4 May 2018 15: 51
      +2
      Quote: colonel
      And how does it compare with our realities?

      Ask Gref, he soaked a monologue about the people on the forum https://youtu.be/3jh2YhvvgBY
    3. uskrabut
      uskrabut 4 May 2018 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: colonel
      And how does it compare with our realities?

      Ask Gref, he soaked a monologue about the people on the forum https://youtu.be/3jh2YhvvgBY
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 4 May 2018 19: 23
      +3
      we can only envy
  16. canurodes
    canurodes 4 May 2018 11: 36
    +8
    Each country has its own path - it is impossible to directly compare China and Russia. We could take the best from the experience of the USSR, updating the planned system in places with market mechanisms. But this did not come true
    EBN and company plundered the assets of the USSR, destroyed entire sectors of the economy in a stupid, mediocre, without perspective, instead of flexibly rebuilding the state on a market track without wild capitalism 90. Putin over 18 did not change the economic course and probably, hardly anything will change over the next five years, it will be indicative to look at the new Cabinet. The only ones who can help us are our sworn friends, who are now trying to crush Russia's already weak economy with all sorts of “sanhsyas,” only then it is spun to cut those shackles that the integrated world economy has imposed on us
    1. freddyk
      freddyk 4 May 2018 15: 44
      +3
      That's right, here I always say, more sanctions, good and different. Only kicks can make this power work.

      The only ones who can help us are our sworn friends, who are now trying to crush Russia's already weak economy with all sorts of “sanghis”,
  17. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 4 May 2018 12: 40
    +10
    Russia (USSR) is a great country in the past. At present, a snuffled capitalist average, with the absence of any prospects for leadership.
  18. Altona
    Altona 4 May 2018 13: 11
    +2
    Quote: Vasily50
    China, with US money, built up production facilities, but there are no programs to develop their own citizens, that is why they have to steal technologies and steal the developers of these technologies.

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    Mao, for all his criticism in this article, was, so to speak, the forerunner of Deng Xiao Ping's reforms. Mao became close to the United States on the basis of anti-Sovietism, since Maoist China wanted to oppose the USSR. And former US President Nixon traveled to China to contact Mao, including promising access to a number of technologies and penetration of the Western market. Mao and Nixon were great personal friends. Without such serious soil, Dan is unlikely to be able to go so far with his 14-step program.
  19. 1536
    1536 4 May 2018 13: 51
    +4
    What do all China give us as an example? We are not Chinese and do not live in China. By and large, neither forty or fifty years ago, nor now, China does not compete with the US and the EU for one simple reason that this is their production workshop. G. Kissenger's ping pong diplomacy has borne fruit in involving the Chinese in the world division of labor. And at a time when energy-intensive and labor-intensive industries were being transferred to the territory of China, high-tech remained in the metropolis, which became dominant in the 21st century. Their presence allows you to control everything that happens in other parts of the world. China is an example of modern colonialism, not a role model. Yes, China was left with the option of political expression. But first of all, in order to keep 1,5 billion Chinese in obedience, and control with their help the countries of Southeast Asia and the Pacific. China is the ideal model of humanity for the next 1000 years. There is an elite, there are those who carry out its decisions (this is a minority of society), the elite knows what to do, knows how, and there are masses of people who must implement the decisions of the elite. Here, even the notorious “social elevators” are possible solely as a means of maintaining the existing biomaterial of the elite in tone, periodically diluting it with biomaterial from the people. In China, no one talks about self-reliance; everyone is talking about globalizing the world. And the Chinese in this world have already occupied one of the key links.
    And we all rush around, celebrate something, all make excuses to someone, don’t be friends with ourselves, quarreled with neighbors, by and large mess, because the right hand does not know what the left does, the policy is ambivalent that we’ll not become anyone’s shop. So there are only natural resources, the energy component. Yes, it is necessary. But this is necessary for those who control science and production in the world, and it is necessary at their prices and for their needs. They do not need us in this case. In this regard, we need to go from the opposite of the Chinese path: the Chinese first overwhelmed the world with their goods, when hundreds of millions of Chinese were and are not only living below the poverty line. It is now they are gradually starting to "get rich." At first, we need to equip and ennoble our own country, create acceptable living conditions for ourselves, and then (or, if possible, simultaneously) enter the global world, competitors, and not laborers. That is the whole idea.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 4 May 2018 15: 32
      +2
      Today we still have something to trade all over the world, just don’t have to let managers manage production.
      You need to choose a list of Five items, for example, tractor manufacturing, robots, pharmaceuticals, agriculture, and the whole slim to do just that.
      from home two and the last kindergarten to higher education and vocational schools,
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut 4 May 2018 15: 46
      +8
      Quote: 1536
      Even the notorious “social elevators” are possible here solely as a means of maintaining the existing biomaterial of the elite in tone, periodically diluting it with biomaterial from the people.

      Why are you so scaring our "elite". They only set up barriers from the people, and you told them about some elevators. And where then to arrange their kids? Will not work.
  20. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 4 May 2018 15: 30
    +1
    withdrawal from the WTO, moderate phased protectionism, growth in income and domestic consumption, satisfied with national production.
    "revenue growth" is a good plan item. I will write it to myself.))))

    The USSR then also allowed a market economy and free economic zones, but no one came and nothing happened.
    Conclusion The economic miracle in China is not from Den, but from American money and Chinese slave labor.

    we must initially reform our economy, relying on the domestic market and domestic demand
    Great dumbness. A market of 160 million people will not pay for any new technology and import will always be cheaper.
  21. uskrabut
    uskrabut 4 May 2018 15: 42
    +5
    "Therefore, the application of Chinese experience with us is possible only with the correct setting of emphasis. Namely, we should initially reform our economy, relying on the domestic market and domestic demand. And this means - exit from the WTO, moderate phased protectionism, growth in income and domestic consumption, satisfied with national production. "

    One hundred thousand times for such a recipe. Only our "elite" does not need it; their brains cannot perceive anything beyond raw materials export. They and the country's budget typeset, based on the price of oil and gas. And domestic consumption is troublesome, and taking their wealth from millions of owners is also problematic. Milking Russian bowels is what is profitable! Just appropriate the proceeds from the sale of oil, gas and other minerals. And the people can tell a fairy tale about commodity and stock exchanges, which is restless there. I completely agree with the author and put a plus to the article.
  22. NordUral
    NordUral 4 May 2018 16: 53
    +4
    The author, and you are a liar!
    Mao Zedong did roughly the same thing as Stalin did in the USSR. Only “better” than Stalin.
  23. Gennadich
    Gennadich 4 May 2018 18: 25
    +5
    there is a feeling that these 6 years are the last in this system .. have already brought the country up to the handle
  24. Plate
    Plate 4 May 2018 18: 44
    +2
    Mao Zedong did about the same as Stalin in the USSR.

    I'm sorry, what? Did Mao Zedong do the same thing as Stalin? It is interesting only why under Stalin, in this case, the USSR was the second industrial and economic power of the world (one of the largest economies became already by the beginning of the Second World War, only the American economy was larger), and China, with Mao, was in about the same condition describes its author?
    And the army, as one of the best, in my opinion, indicators of the real power of the countries, would also be nice to compare. The army of the USSR 1950 of the year - a large, trained, equipped with modern technology. The army of China under Mao is a large, poorly trained, properly equipped.
    And after that the author says that
    Mao Zedong did about the same as Stalin in the USSR. Only "better" than Stalin.
    ?
  25. New Year day
    New Year day 4 May 2018 19: 25
    +3
    Quote: colonel
    the main economic talent of the Chinese reformer was his love for his own people
    I think this is the main idea inherent in the article. And how does it compare with our realities?

    we can only envy
  26. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 4 May 2018 19: 53
    +3
    Therefore, the use of our Chinese experience is possible only with the proper formulation of accents. Namely, we must initially reform our economy, relying on the domestic market and domestic demand. And this means exit from the WTO, moderate step-by-step protectionism, growth of incomes and domestic consumption, satisfied by national production.

    Not with our eternal President (Brezhnev weeps - he sat out)) and his Government. This is already good - there is oil / gas, they and their approximate ones are enough. And they do not have the main quality necessary for the revival of Russia - they have absolutely no love and respect for the country and people.
    The foregoing author was in the program of Grudinin. But you remember the exit polls of these "most honest" elections - for Grudinin 15, 20, 30% on the increase, and then all of a sudden, in the evening, once 7, 8, 11% ... Well, everyone also heard a fairy tale about 76% ... t.ch. after May 7, no changes in domestic politics in the country can be expected, alas ... As there was financially speculative "capitalism" - this is how it will remain, and you can not rely on industrial-financial one. Sharing oil and gas revenues in the interests of 3-5% of the population is more profitable and easier than building and raising industry and agriculture in the interests of the remaining 95%. IMHO.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 5 May 2018 09: 23
      +1
      Quote: Shelest2000
      he stayed

      The winner of the Iron Butt Association certificate, or as they already say, is the same :-)
  27. meandr51
    meandr51 5 May 2018 08: 52
    +2
    I know why the Chinese experience is stubbornly ignored. Because there is in power a permanent communist party. This is the main reason for success. That is the ideological whip that lashes the bourgeoisie in the right direction. And no one else! They themselves will never pay attention to the needs of the people and the country. They will only make the appearance, and they will steal and steal ...
  28. Vard
    Vard 5 May 2018 09: 01
    0
    So it ... we just had a feudal communal system ... it stayed ... it’s socialism being built in China ... and we are digging a hole ...
    1. Klaus
      Klaus 7 May 2018 15: 31
      0
      Actually, what is the difference between the Communist Party and the CCP? - The fact that in the Communist Party study Marxism, and in the CPC - global stock markets laughing
    2. YUM
      YUM 7 May 2018 15: 37
      0
      [quote from us as it was a feudally communal system ... it remained ...] [/ quote]
      "community" - exclude! laughing
  29. YUM
    YUM 7 May 2018 15: 34
    0
    Quote: Mih1974
    The most significant example of last spring - the Central Bank buys American securities at 1.5% per annum, and at the same time, the Ministry of Finance - sells euro bonds (borrowed) at 6% per annum !!! It has even been publicly raised more than once - no one has been punished (may be encouraged) any even the most absurd answer from the Authorities - NO !!

    why go so far for examples? Everything is much closer!
    What is the percentage of the loan in Russian banks? Right from 13 to .. marasmus!
    And what is the percentage paid by banks (the same ones, a maximum of -4! VTB, which promises as much as 6 (!) Lies. Because it takes money for 6 months and 6% only for the first two months. And then - for lowering! as a result, the same rubles that really grew up as in the “savings”, but with a greater probability of a departure of 0 whole ... 0 hundredths of a percent.