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Su-30CM destroyed the bird flock. What is wrong with this version?

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Today is a mournful day for the VKS of the Russian Federation: not only the Su-30CM fighter is lost, but also two pilots who, according to the release, attempted to save the car. According to one of the versions, the crew did not have time to eject, since "the height was insufficient."


This version looks rather strange, as for modern aircraft there are cases of leaving the side and at “extremely” low altitudes. In fact, ejection from the Su-30CM is possible at zero height and speed.

Currently there are no official data on the causes of the catastrophe, however, a version of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation was stated that the cause was not related to weather conditions (they were ideal for flight), and may be related to a large bird entering the fighter engine.

The main question that arises when taking this version into account is with the experts: if a bird hit one of the Su-30CM engines, which did not allow it to continue full-time work to another engine, because if at least one of the engines would continue to work normally, then the aircraft can was put on the airfield "Hmimim."

Failure of another engine may be due to several reasons. One of them experts call the destruction of the engine, which could get a bird - the destruction and the occurrence of debris could lead to an explosion of one of the ammunition, and, as reported in the defense department, the plane was raised from an air base with ammunition.

This may explain why the pilots did not take measures to eject. The failure of the second engine could be connected with the situation when he himself was struck by fragments of the engine “fellow”.

This does not exclude the option of hitting the aircraft in a flock of birds. Although the latest version looks dubious given the fact that the Hmeimim has implemented the bird-repelling system typical for the Russian Aerospace Forces, and over the sea, as shown by numerous pictures of the Mediterranean coast of Syria, large concentrations of birds on this sunny and hot day (the air temperature on the coast today reached to + 32 Celsius) was not observed.

Su-30CM destroyed the bird flock. What is wrong with this version?


Against this background, certain media published statements by eyewitnesses who took the same shot with a pillar from the explosion that resulted from the incident with the Russian fighter. If you believe the statements of eyewitnesses, the plane several times lurched and could fall earlier, but the pilots at least two times were able to level the plane, leading it towards the sea. It turns out that this testimony negates the version of the explosion of ammunition on board as a result of the possible spread of engine debris and the death of the pilots before the fighter crashed. On the other hand, if the plane had already been led in the direction of the sea, was it rational for the crew to try to align the Su-30CM, which had fallen into the water, and deliberately refuse to use the catapult?

Experts note that these contradictions and the mutual exclusion of versions may indicate that there is another real reason, even to the failure of the control system on board, which for some reason made it impossible for the pilots to eject. In any case, it remains to wait for the official version of the reasons for the loss of the aircraft and crew.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 3 May 2018 18: 59
    +31
    Let's not guess. We’ll sort it out ... But this is not the first time that they have sinned on birds .. Usually they are driven away from airfields .. We will sorrow for the dead pilots.
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 3 May 2018 19: 06
      +3
      What drives them away? Ornithological services? In Syria ???
      1. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 3 May 2018 19: 23
        +8
        all kinds of chants
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 3 May 2018 22: 21
          +6
          Quote: seregatara1969
          all kinds of chants

          ... this is the heading "News" or the heading "Speculation" ... hi
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      3. LSA57
        LSA57 3 May 2018 20: 41
        +2
        Quote: Berkut154
        What drives them away? Ornithological services? In Syria ??

        в
        but it never occurred to me that there are other methods ????
        or everything on the falcons jammed ???
        think. look at your door. counted how many locks do you have?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 3 May 2018 22: 00
          +1
          There is a version that the pilots tried to return to the airfield.
          https://vz.ru/news/2018/5/3/920962.html
    2. Hire
      Hire 3 May 2018 19: 07
      +26
      The strangest thing is that both pilots died. Not a single catapulted. Condolences to the family. The souls of the pilots of peace in heaven.
      1. Wendigo
        Wendigo 3 May 2018 19: 39
        +8
        Quote: Hire
        Not a single catapulted.

        Most likely both were injured .. or killed.
        It looks like a stinger or a needle ...
        There was infa that the Saudis brought such toys.
        1. mvg
          mvg 3 May 2018 19: 46
          +18
          Do not carry nonsense. It's too early.
        2. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 3 May 2018 19: 51
          +14
          Quote: Wendigo
          It looks like a stinger or a needle ...

          than? looks like .... your Wishlist and desires?
        3. BZTM
          BZTM 3 May 2018 20: 08
          +4
          It looks like Andrei, Wendigo who ... The work of Needles, had the pleasure of working with her ... Very well, the target was visible on take-off ... There, too, the farmer, like me, would not miss ... The Guys had no chance how not to try .......
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 3 May 2018 23: 29
            +6
            Quote: Wendigo
            Most likely both were injured .. or killed

            Quote: BZTM
            It looks like Andrei, Wendigo who ... The work of Needles, had the pleasure of working with her ... Very well, the target was visible on take-off ... There, too, the farmer, like me, would not miss ... The Guys had no chance how not to try .......

            Conspirology damn, I’m not tired of playing conspiracy negative See less Ren TV.
            Quote: armourer
            What is the distance of enemy lasers

            Yeah, and the lasers appeared, who's next in line? Aliens? negative
        4. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 3 May 2018 20: 16
          +13
          Drying did not have time to gain the necessary speed and maneuvered on one of the remaining engines.
          It seems that the pilots tried to give the fast and the furious and go to Khmeimim.
          Alas ... A bright memory for professionals ....
          hi
          1. Ustin
            Ustin 4 May 2018 02: 35
            +2
            The men left the city, so they didn’t pull the handles ...
        5. LSA57
          LSA57 3 May 2018 20: 45
          +3
          Quote: Wendigo
          There was infa that the Saudis brought such toys.

          infa from the curator of the State Department? worked though wooden
        6. armourer
          armourer 3 May 2018 22: 32
          0
          What is the distance of enemy lasers? For some reason, this thought does not come out of my head
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 3 May 2018 20: 43
        +3
        Quote: Hire
        The strangest thing is that both pilots died. Not a single catapulted

        but this is not strange. both fought. google it. one example. Lipetsk. 1968 year
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 3 May 2018 22: 19
          +4
          So, I suspect that the ejection system is one on two. one yanked - both catapulted. But how else is that?
          1. Filxnumx
            Filxnumx 4 May 2018 19: 24
            +1
            separate bailout system, each crew member has his own. Only two points: simultaneous operation is impossible, only in turn, with a time lag. Even if both pull the levers simultaneously, the escape system will catapult one, and after 0,2 - 0,5 seconds it will give a command to trigger the powder charge on the other's chair. And the commander (pilot) has the opportunity to forcibly eject the navigator. As a version: the commander lost consciousness or for some other reason could not control the flight, and the navigator controlled the plane (they are trained in the minimum necessary skills), he could not cope, and military duty did not allow him to leave the car without the commander, and no matter how arrogant it sounded. If you could (even theoretically) and did not save a comrade, how can you live with it later?
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 4 May 2018 19: 36
              +1
              We recently had a similar situation. Both survived ... Well, I don’t know what duty is there, improper preparation .... This is all a fortune-telling. For me, it is as if this is possible when both were physically incapable. And this is a big question, or the system of the machine itself, or external .... External it, or means of REP or sabotage ....
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 4 May 2018 19: 58
              0
              I do not get you. If the system is separate and one has been ejected, while the cockpit lamp is being shot off, does the second one continue flying without the flashlight? Will it be able to?
              Why is there no way to forcibly catapult the commander, just in case he lost consciousness?

              A difficult story of course. We will wait for the investigation to say.
              1. NN52
                NN52 4 May 2018 20: 27
                +3
                alexmach

                You don’t even have to understand ...
                A forum member writes nonsense about bailouts on the Su 30 SM ...
                Both come out, always ...
                And there is no separate and compulsory ....
              2. Rogovas81
                Rogovas81 11 May 2018 14: 45
                0
                The investigation will not tell you or anyone else. Everything has already been said about the birds.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 11 May 2018 14: 48
                  +1
                  What is said? I see a maximum of guesses so far.
                  It is not clear exactly how the bird flunked a 2-engine aircraft, but this must be understood.
                  It is not clear why they did not catapult. This must be dealt with in detail. Maybe, damn it, the whole flight crew should be retrained at the expense of bailouts so that they would not be weird. And then something turns out the case in a week.
      3. Mih1974
        Mih1974 3 May 2018 21: 23
        +6
        Well xs, I would bet on - it seemed to them that the car can be pulled out, that is, they considered the failure not critical and then just did not have time. sad
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 May 2018 19: 10
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      Let's not guess. We’ll figure it out ... But this is not the first time that they sin on birds

      maybe the birds provoked a "surge", but the other day they wrote that the glider turned several times through itself, in such a situation it is impossible to eject. ((((
    4. self-propelled
      self-propelled 3 May 2018 19: 38
      +12
      just a little recopy:
      ... "One bird - this one engine will stand up. If only a flock of birds was there, it’s another matter, ”said Air Force Major, sports master in jet aerobatics Andrei Krasnoperov on the radio channel Says Moscow. According to the expert, the explanation seems strange. “Here is the situation: combat pilots, two literate aces, and that such a situation because of the bird? It is necessary to get into a flock of birds so that two engines immediately get up, ”said Krasnoperov. - Such a case is possible. In my memory, there is such that a heron-sized bird enters the engine, then the engine gets a stake. But it is necessary that at least two herons fall into two engines. ” The pilot also indicates that the pilots of the Su-30 had the opportunity to eject. “Such a catapult stands on this type of aircraft that it is possible to eject at zero speed, practically from the ground, when the aircraft is stationary,” Krasnoperov emphasized. “There is such a reliable catapult that it saved more than one pilot already” ...
    5. Kent0001
      Kent0001 3 May 2018 19: 43
      +18
      They will raise the plane and then there will be a topic for conversation, but now only Blah blah blah ... Ukrainians misplaced the rest .... They feel sorry for the guys, eternal memory.
      1. Normal
        Normal 3 May 2018 20: 28
        +18
        Well, raising a plane does not guarantee absolute revelation from the MO.
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 4 May 2018 01: 29
          +7
          Quote: Normal
          Well, raising a plane does not guarantee absolute revelation from the MO.


          But are they needed for the general public? if there was an external "impact", they will take measures without any posting ... in such cases, the less information for the "enemy", the better
          1. perm23
            perm23 4 May 2018 05: 44
            0
            You are completely right. .
        2. perm23
          perm23 4 May 2018 05: 46
          +2
          And that you have irrefutable facts that the Moscow Region is cheating. and why is it suddenly MO Rossi should tell you everything
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 3 May 2018 20: 50
        +6
        Quote: Kent0001
        .hokhly other mischief raving ...

        ravens flew ... scavengers ...
    6. igor67
      igor67 3 May 2018 19: 45
      +20
      Quote: 210ox
      Let's not guess. We’ll sort it out ... But this is not the first time that they have sinned on birds .. Usually they are driven away from airfields .. We will sorrow for the dead pilots.

      last year at around this time f35, the Israeli Air Force also seemed to have flown a bird, most of them were idiots over this version, but in this area there is a migration path of Storks, gray heron, pelicans, hundreds of thousands of birds, circling in the sky and these are big birds it's so gray heron soar
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 3 May 2018 22: 07
        +2
        ... it is so gray heron soar

        At +32, everyone sits on the pope smoothly and does not fly. hi
        1. igor67
          igor67 3 May 2018 22: 38
          +4
          Quote: Alex777
          ... it is so gray heron soar

          At +32, everyone sits on the pope smoothly and does not fly. hi

          I’m not an arnetologist, about three days ago the storks circled up, as in the picture, the picture is not mine, I’ve been looking for my own for a long time,
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 3 May 2018 23: 02
            0
            I'm not an ornithologist either, but in such heat it’s lazy to fly ..
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 3 May 2018 23: 30
              +3
              Quote: Alex777
              I'm not an ornithologist either, but in such heat it’s lazy to fly ..

              Spring however. The bird rushes to the nesting places at least at + 1, at least at + 30, they have such time. The north is still in the snow, migration is two weeks late, and therefore their accumulation can be very significant.
    7. Bar1
      Bar1 3 May 2018 23: 02
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Let's not guess. We’ll sort it out ... But this is not the first time that they have sinned on birds .. Usually they are driven away from airfields .. We will sorrow for the dead pilots.


      Of course they’ll figure it out, the pilot is to blame, as always.
      1. jjj
        jjj 4 May 2018 12: 07
        0
        For some reason, this news is compared with the cries of the Americans who sounded on the eve that Russian electronic warfare interferes with the flight of American aircraft
  2. donavi49
    donavi49 3 May 2018 19: 07
    +13
    Well, here it’s like ... In his mind he should have been punished approximately. But they gave the order and showed on all the news as an example for the pilots.


    In another situation, with an attempt to save the board 2 dead.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 3 May 2018 19: 15
      +22
      I don’t know with clear instructions to leave the car immediately, if this is not connected with the death of civilians ....
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 3 May 2018 19: 35
        +10
        They all have clear instructions: the plane threatens you - you must leave.
        At -30, far from newcomers, we will wait for the results.
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 3 May 2018 20: 57
        +1
        Quote: Shahno
        I don’t know with clear instructions to leave the car immediately if this is not connected with the death of civilians.

        mid 80s. takeoff. engine stop. bailout. according to the instructions. engines started up. the car flew half of Europe. has fallen. a man died. In what instructions can this be provided?
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 3 May 2018 21: 37
          +2
          I agree .... Who decides? Who is under the "flashlight" and 5 .. 10 seconds to make a decision. It should be in the machine ... Or like in 35, surrender to the system .... And then you can complain. Of course, you are sorry that something is wrong with you ...
          1. gaura
            gaura 4 May 2018 06: 33
            0
            And if this automatic system gets under electronic warfare and shuts down? In general, then there will be no one to complain. And with 30 they say that a control system failure is likely.
    2. faiver
      faiver 3 May 2018 19: 34
      +2
      il-39, straight ear cuts ....
      1. mvg
        mvg 3 May 2018 20: 35
        +1
        Madame said El 39, this is Albatross, a Czech textbook ...
    3. mvg
      mvg 3 May 2018 19: 51
      +5
      You are already very partial to this cadet. He risked only himself, it will turn out - in the ladies, it will not work out - no one will ask ... (How can I punish the winner ???
    4. loki565
      loki565 3 May 2018 20: 03
      0
      You can’t put it on water, there’s another reason
  3. senima56
    senima56 3 May 2018 19: 11
    +9
    Eternal memory to pilots. Only the truth we will not know.
    1. bk316
      bk316 3 May 2018 19: 31
      +9
      Only the truth we will not know.

      Really needed?
      Does this somehow help the dead or their families?
      Or do you or you take steps to prevent this from happening again?
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 3 May 2018 21: 01
      +3
      Quote: senima56
      Only the truth we will not know.

      but who needs to know. they will definitely not send you mail.
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 3 May 2018 19: 12
    +3
    Experts note that these contradictions and the mutual exclusion of versions may indicate the presence of another real reason, up to the failure of the control system on board, which for some reason did not allow the pilots to eject.

    It looks like the operation of electronic warfare systems for a fighter, which does not explain why the pilots did not catapult even from zero altitude.
    “Here is the situation: combat pilots, two competent aces, and so that the situation is because of the bird? .. In my memory, is there such that a heron-sized bird enters the engine, then the engine gets up a stake. But it is necessary that at least two herons fall into two engines. Because if it hits one, then it flies beautifully on the other, ”said Krasnoperov, noting that the fighter could have interfered with something during takeoff.

    He also stressed that the pilots could eject. “On this type of aircraft, a catapult is such that it is possible to eject at zero speed, actually from the ground, when the plane is parked. There is such a reliable catapult that it has already saved more than one pilot, ”explained Krasnoperov.
    1. Comrade Beria
      Comrade Beria 3 May 2018 19: 52
      +9
      Quote: NEXUS
      It looks like the operation of electronic warfare systems for a fighter, which does not explain why the pilots did not catapult even from zero altitude.

      There is no electronics in the control of the catapult. In a sense that can affect EW.
      Unless EMP from a nearby nuclear explosion.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 May 2018 20: 01
        +5
        Quote: Comrade Beria
        In the sense that EW can affect

        I wrote about this ... on the same engine, the 30th would calmly reach the airfield. The summers twice aligned the fighter, which does not mean the failure of ONE engine, but both. Either the avionics reared up. That's why he said about electronic warfare. And this is not a statement, but a reflection.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 3 May 2018 20: 09
          +3
          Yes, you seem to be right in something. Just intuition, no more ...
        2. bk316
          bk316 3 May 2018 20: 34
          +11
          I wrote about this ... on one engine, the 30th would calmly reach the airfield

          You must understand the difference between continuing to fly on a single engine and TAKING OFF on a single engine. Do not know? Then read the instructions (they do not seem to be chipboard already) in a situation when one engine was turned off during the FLIGHT and the instructions during CLIMBING and ON TAKEOFF. Donavi49 therefore spread rot on the silt, that such examples prompt violation of the instruction. And what it leads to see for yourself. Well, yes, you’re more interested in EW or Stinger.
          I have a very distant relationship with aviation, but once I was involved in the investigation of an accident, they would know how real experts like you hate to find the TRUE reason and try to prevent a recurrence of the tragedy. am Trash all the same thing the Internet.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 3 May 2018 20: 39
            +1
            Quote: bk316
            You need to understand the difference between continuing to fly on one engine and TAKING OFF on one engine

            The fighter leveled twice, which means for some time, apparently both dviguns worked ... that's what I’m talking about. After the second time, one engine apparently turned off.
            Again, what I said doesn’t explain why the flyers didn’t catapult when they realized that the car could not be saved.
            1. bk316
              bk316 3 May 2018 20: 45
              +14
              The answer is:
              - pilots to carry out instructions;
              - management to control;
              -experts to improve equipment and instructions;
              - (and this is especially for you) citizens silently mourn and not slur the topic until the pilots have not even been buried;
              Well, apparently you won’t understand, I won’t blame him - I haven’t seen a hundred bags of body parts yet, I also didn’t understand that it’s better to be silent.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 3 May 2018 20: 48
                +4
                Quote: bk316
                Well, apparently you won’t understand, I won’t blame him - I haven’t seen a hundred bags of body parts yet, I also didn’t understand that it’s better to be silent.

                Dear, how do my opinions and thoughts affect the investigation of this case?
                What the..
                Quote: bk316
                would know how real experts hate you

                You didn’t get lost by chance, not understanding where you are?
                1. bk316
                  bk316 3 May 2018 21: 00
                  +6
                  You know, you could dance on the coals of "Winter Cherry" that would also not affect the investigation.
                  I wrote everything, I'm not going to warm you up with a sequel.
                  If you want, you can write in a PM which particular real experts whom and why they hate, I will answer. I am writing this to you only because I read a lot of your quite adequate comments and do not consider you a troll or an inadequate extreme.
                2. NN52
                  NN52 3 May 2018 22: 35
                  +3
                  NEXUS

                  You didn’t understand where you are .... And you got lost ... And your personal opinion, and even more so your thoughts, will certainly not affect the investigation of the causes of the disaster ...
                  Do not make comments, pzhl ....
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 4 May 2018 14: 45
                    +3
                    And your personal opinion, and especially your thoughts, will certainly not affect the investigation of the causes of the disaster ...

                    Of course, I am not a member of the commission or an expert involved. And since there was experience, I can say that your opinion will not affect anything either, even though you are a pilot three times or even an IAC expert, at least subscribe to VO, at least to Echo, this will not affect the investigation or the conclusions of the commission. If you do not understand this, then you are as far from investigations into air accidents as I am from ballet.

                    I’ll figure it out with comments whether I’ll write them myself or not.
    2. mvg
      mvg 3 May 2018 19: 53
      +3
      Now, it affects the catapults, Andrey, the holidays have already passed, it's time to turn on the head, not the stomach. )))
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 May 2018 19: 58
        +3
        Quote: mvg
        Now, it affects the catapults, Andrey, the holidays have already passed, it's time to turn on the head, not the stomach. )))

        But reading to the end is not fate, Maxim?
        Quote: NEXUS
        which does not explain why the pilots did not catapult even from zero altitude.
        1. mvg
          mvg 3 May 2018 20: 39
          0
          I asked a question in time before there was talk of avionics with Shakhno. We would like to jump out - catapulted.
          Somehow Bruce Willis catapulted from the ground in Hard Nut.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 3 May 2018 20: 43
            +1
            Quote: mvg
            I asked a question in time

            So I about that before writing about stomachs and holidays, it is necessary to read to the end.
            Quote: mvg
            We would like to jump out - catapulted.

            Therefore, there is a suspicion that they did not have such an opportunity.
          2. interceptor58
            interceptor58 4 May 2018 16: 36
            +1
            That’s the movie. But Tsoi in Akhtubinsk in a parking lot from the ground and nothing.
      2. NN52
        NN52 3 May 2018 22: 53
        +2
        mvg

        Yes, the Nexus always, so ... What on the Internet reads, then it transfers to the VO site ...
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 3 May 2018 20: 48
      +5
      Quote: NEXUS
      It looks like the operation of electronic warfare systems for a fighter

      Andrew, hi
      I am also tormented by vague doubts ... Well, a serviceable, prepared for departure board couldn’t just pick up and fall into the sea ... On-board computer, EDSU ... apparently someone intentionally turned off the brains of the board ... I simply didn’t I think ...
      Sorry for the guys ... this is the color of the nation ... the color of our Air Force ... the heirs of the Stalinist falcons ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 May 2018 20: 52
        +2
        Sasha hi
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        On-board computer, EDSU ... apparently someone intentionally turned off the brains of the board ... I just don’t think of another ...

        I really think that some overseas component may have bucked, or imported. But the 30th is what year they fly.
        I can’t do it. True, the first thought was that they worked on the EW system, but this version does not fit why none of the flyers catapulted when it was clear that the car could not be saved.
        1. NN52
          NN52 3 May 2018 22: 41
          +3
          NEXUS

          And you don’t understand ...
    4. LSA57
      LSA57 3 May 2018 21: 03
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      which does not explain why the pilots did not catapult even from zero altitude.

      fought to the end. in an extreme situation, something else works.
  5. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 3 May 2018 19: 18
    +6
    One thing is strange, it seems like a star should rescue a catapult chair at any height! Sorry for the guys recourse
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 3 May 2018 21: 42
      +1
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      One thing is strange, it seems like a star should rescue a catapult chair at any height!

      so it does not work by itself ...
  6. pan philosopher
    pan philosopher 3 May 2018 19: 19
    +1
    every take off
    not so easy
  7. Normal ok
    Normal ok 3 May 2018 19: 24
    +3
    The crew, according to one version, did not have time to eject, as "the altitude was insufficient."

    Some kind of nonsense, on domestic chairs, you can eject from 1-2 meters.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 3 May 2018 19: 37
      +6
      Quote: Normal ok
      on domestic chairs, you can eject from 1-2 meters.

      On seats of class 0-0, 0 altitude and 0 speed ~ 140-150 km / h, you can jump from the ground. We must wait for the results of the investigation
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 3 May 2018 20: 27
        0
        Maybe the pilots were afraid of bailouts down during a coup that could happen at any moment. Sorry for the guys to tears. I am sure that the command to eject from the flight leader followed.
        1. glasha3032
          glasha3032 4 May 2018 00: 51
          +1
          Ejection at the air show in 89 of the pilot Kvochur from the MiG-29 and the ejection of two pilots at the air show in Le Bourget in 99 from the Su-30MK shows that you can successfully eject from any position and even from a small height ....
    2. Alex 2016
      Alex 2016 3 May 2018 19: 45
      +2
      The catapult on domestic aircraft fires at all altitude and speed ranges, including from 0. There are slight restrictions on the angles of the aircraft in space, but it seems that this problem was solved on the latest models of ejection seats. I will be glad if someone from the real operators will explain in more detail. On this type of Su-30 aircraft, K-36DM is installed. This ejection seat provides crew member rescue in a wide range of aircraft speeds and altitudes, including take-off, after-landing run, zero altitude and speed mode, and is used in combination with protective equipment.
  8. MadCat
    MadCat 3 May 2018 19: 25
    +1
    Experts note that these contradictions and the mutual exclusion of versions may indicate the presence of another real reason, up to the failure of the control system on board, which for some reason did not allow the pilots to catapult

    Yes, anything could happen up to the point that the flashlight was damaged and the pilots realized that there was no way to eject, plus an avalanche-like failure of the systems and even residential areas. Everlasting memory.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2018 19: 36
      +3
      There is a system for shooting a flashlight - at least somehow damage it.
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 3 May 2018 20: 23
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        There is a system for shooting a flashlight - at least somehow damage it.

        there is of course, only no one is immune from failures, there have been cases.
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    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 3 May 2018 19: 43
      +7
      Carries you like yeast thrown in .., well thrown in one word. In your country, even sofa specialists of this kind do not.
      There are a lot of couch experts here, but all kinds of intelligence unfinished, called "intelligence community nata," sin by conspiracy theories. Do not touch what you do not rummage about at all;
  10. san4es
    san4es 3 May 2018 19: 29
    +8
    In fact, ejection from the Su-30SM is possible at zero altitude and speed.

    hi "February 28, 2012. Su-30MK2 plane crash, crew: sub-crew Kirilin V. and crew Gorshkov A.
    The crew performed the flight according to the acceptance test plan of KnAAPO OJSC. When accelerating to maximum speed, a fire occurred in the right engine. The crew ejected at the command of the RP, the crew commander received a rib fracture as a result of the ejection. "The plane crashed 140km north of Komsomolsk-on-Amur in a mountainous-wooded area, there were no casualties or destruction on the ground." soldier

    Posted Aug 30 2014 year
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2018 19: 37
      +3
      Then the guys catapulted.
  11. faiver
    faiver 3 May 2018 19: 30
    +3
    who should be sorted out, it’ll start now - a bunch of “experts” will slumber one by one
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  12. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 3 May 2018 19: 38
    +10
    Eternal memory of the fallen pilots. In my practice, an accident occurred due to a bird entering the VZ channel. At the training ground, when withdrawing from a dive, neither more nor less than a feathery goose or swan got into the VZ channel. A single engine engine was doomed. But glory to the Almighty pilot ejected and further continued flight service. For the pilot, this was the fourth successful exit of the aircraft in an emergency. As for the current tragedy, it’s not entirely clear, but what about the perforated spacers in the take-off mode now that’s not blocking the VZ channel, like on the SU-27? However, the commission is inquired, and we all, reliably, will not know. Having experience of four flight accidents, I think this is correct. There is no need for this to the layman, even patriotic.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 3 May 2018 19: 57
      +4
      The main thing is that they answer all questions for themselves
    2. mvg
      mvg 3 May 2018 19: 57
      +6
      This was the pilot’s fourth successful escape in an emergency.
      And this is not much in peacetime? Maybe he should not be allowed to the planes? Karma!
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 3 May 2018 20: 02
      +4
      Andrei Nikolaevich, I do not agree with you. Otherwise, different kinds of provocateurs will do their dirty deed. On our site, both civilians and the military are sitting who either saw or heard about such emergency situations firsthand. Whatever the gossip and rumors, the truth is needed.
      1. ODERVIT
        ODERVIT 3 May 2018 20: 39
        +4
        Vyacheslav, and I for the Truth. However, believe that in the investigation of any flight accident there is something that there is no need to know to the ignorant. So it was when similar episodes happened in the service of my father, it was so in mine. What is written on the site about such tragic events is mostly speculation and fantasy.
      2. bk316
        bk316 3 May 2018 21: 16
        +6
        . Whatever gossip and rumors are, truth is needed

        Truth (truth) is not born in the process of discussion on the forum. Believe me, this is simply not possible in the event of an accident. I'm afraid you can’t even imagine how complicated this process is (at least in the GA). That is why real experts do not participate in such discussions.
        Therefore, such discussions are just dances on the bones and not a search for truth. Therefore, I completely agree with
        There is no need for this to the layman, even patriotic.

        There will be conclusions of the commission - then we will get acquainted.
    4. Berkut154
      Berkut154 3 May 2018 21: 18
      +1
      Perforated spacers are removed after cleaning the chassis during take-off.
    5. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 4 May 2018 01: 42
      0
      There is no need for this to the layman, even patriotic.

      I fully support ... everyone should do his own thing
  13. Abram
    Abram 3 May 2018 19: 42
    +7
    India last year 2 su-30s fell. Some local speakers immediately covered the Indians from head to toe for curvature. And as for themselves - so right away, it's "the birds are to blame!"
    1. figwam
      figwam 3 May 2018 20: 05
      +5
      Hindus assemble their Su-30MKIs under license themselves, from kits supplied from Russia, so all questions are to them. But here the war and the cause of the crash can be any.
      1. Abram
        Abram 3 May 2018 20: 30
        +3
        if the aircraft is unreliable, it will fight, regardless of who collects it from what and the war or not. Nenad try to spread these cases in different angles, as if it is not the same model
        1. figwam
          figwam 3 May 2018 20: 42
          +4
          Quote: Abram
          if the plane is unreliable

          What ??? !!! Actually, the Su-30 is the same Su-27, with only two pilots, the most reliable and proven. I see on planes it is impossible to explain.
          Anyone understands that it is better to buy a Mercedes assembled in Germany than in Africa, but as I understand it, it makes no difference to you.
          1. Abram
            Abram 3 May 2018 20: 54
            +1
            Anyone understands that where you don’t collect the Lada, the result will be a Lada, not a Mercedes. The same, but not the same. Or maybe there is a design, fatal defect inside it? If even the Tu-154 managed to make such an unsuccessful arrangement of engines, then why couldn’t it be so tricky in this?
            1. figwam
              figwam 3 May 2018 21: 12
              +6
              Abram

              I will no longer argue with your “knowledge” in aviation.
            2. NKT
              NKT 3 May 2018 21: 32
              +7
              What do you dislike about the layout of the Tu-154 engines? Typical for that time, b-727, as an example.
              1. Abram
                Abram 3 May 2018 21: 42
                +1
                "The location of the engines is rear, which reduces the noise in the cabin and the turning moment when the engine fails, but creates problems with the" shading "of the stabilizer and engines at large angles of attack and with rear centering, which initially leads to surging and failure of the side engines, then a medium failure , and to a sharp decrease in the elevator’s efficiency (the aircraft enters a deep stall mode and then a flat corkscrew, from which it is not withdrawn without special equipment) "
                1. NKT
                  NKT 3 May 2018 22: 11
                  +6
                  And what does your copy show?
                  Do you know how many types of rear-mounted engines are?

                  There are advantages and disadvantages to the sun with rear engines and the sun with engines on the pylons. With a rear arrangement, for example, it is easier to pilot everything if one of the engines fails.

                  And about a flat corkscrew - you don’t have to bring the situation to such a situation as, for example, near Donetsk.
                  1. Abram
                    Abram 3 May 2018 23: 11
                    +2
                    personally it shows me that it is unsuccessful. Extreme aircraft of market leaders such as the Airbus A350,380 or Boeing 787 do not hang engines on the tail. As they did before, it does not play a role. When designing you need to think with your own head, and not do it "like theirs." And then they are used to ripping everything off and playing "races" - they have Concord and we need the Tu-144, they have the Shuttle and give us the Buran. They have tail engines and we do the same. They are out the window and we will jump after them ?! - and it, with the layout, it turns out, it is - they jumped. It was necessary to immediately calculate everything and hang on the wings! let them do what they want to do there!
    2. Totah155
      Totah155 3 May 2018 20: 33
      0
      Yes yes, the Indians are crooked
  14. da Vinci
    da Vinci 3 May 2018 19: 43
    +1
    For those who believe that there will be no accident from one bird
  15. sabakina
    sabakina 3 May 2018 19: 46
    +1
    There is no column of water in the photo.
  16. Comrade Beria
    Comrade Beria 3 May 2018 19: 47
    +5
    All who believe that the catapult will save at 1 meter height. It will save if only the plane is cockpit up.

    Or maybe there was a stall, and the plane rolled over?

    Let's not guess on the coffee grounds. All the same, those who are supposed to establish the truth, at least to prevent such cases in the future.
  17. RainTNT
    RainTNT 3 May 2018 20: 24
    0
    Quote: Comrade Beria
    Let's not guess on the coffee grounds. All the same, those who are supposed to establish the truth, at least to prevent such cases in the future.

    Future for multi-missiles. With its own radar, electronic warfare and global positioning.
  18. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 3 May 2018 20: 27
    +1
    I have a different version. Some kind of weapon was used against the plane, disabling pilots. It is possible that from orbit
    1. RainTNT
      RainTNT 3 May 2018 20: 31
      +2
      Such weapons are used only on television channels. But satellites can be checked over Syria. The catapult is mechanical.
  19. Totah155
    Totah155 3 May 2018 20: 32
    +6
    The depth there is not great.
    The plane will be lifted, checked and find the cause of the crash.
    The truth is not the fact that information will get into the media.
    Condolences to families.

    1. BVS
      BVS 3 May 2018 20: 47
      0
      Lift the plane or its fragments, did it explode?
  20. turbris
    turbris 3 May 2018 20: 38
    +2
    Here again, a very bad habit of talking about what you have no data about. Well, why these fortune-telling on coffee grounds? A competent commission will be sorted out and here any fantasies on a free topic are inappropriate. We can only express condolences to the families of the dead pilots.
    1. groks
      groks 3 May 2018 21: 32
      +2
      These commissions are harder to believe. After the experienced pilots "mixed up the sky and the water, because the stars reflected in the water."
      1. turbris
        turbris 4 May 2018 09: 38
        0
        Of course, why trust the commissions, now experienced bloggers will figure it out!
  21. Micrurus spixii
    Micrurus spixii 3 May 2018 20: 47
    +2
    Quote: sabakina
    On our site, both civilians and the military are sitting who either saw or heard about such emergency situations firsthand. Whatever the gossip and rumors, the truth is needed.

    I see, you are the most advanced comrade in all matters, starting with the submarine fleet and ending with aviation.
  22. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 3 May 2018 21: 09
    0
    will be as usual. died during the assignment and an asterisk on the monument, and that's enough for people ...
  23. Gene Concrete
    Gene Concrete 3 May 2018 21: 25
    0
    This is what happens when one of the engines stalls at the Sushki landing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2018 22: 40
      +2
      So this is a verdict to the twin-engine scheme of a fighter - a bomber - the failure of one engine and the plane crashes, the same will happen with the single-engine layout, but there you can make a complex air intake chamber, where a foreign object will stick into the protective elements, cameras without exposing the engine destruction and it will be cheaper in maintenance and operation, with the same characteristics - if there is no difference why pay more.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 3 May 2018 22: 43
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        if there is no difference why pay more

        Gridasov is not on you laughing
        1. Berkut154
          Berkut154 3 May 2018 23: 05
          +1
          Did Apakidze have such a situation in the Island?
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 May 2018 01: 36
          0
          He has a special task, the creation of a WARP engine - this development will draw in all his breakthrough fundamental knowledge and experience.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 07: 14
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            He has a special mission

            I’m just that both of you are approximately at the same level ... enlightenment laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 May 2018 08: 49
              0
              As one character said, "I'm not the only one cursed by knowledge."
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 15: 30
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                I'm not the only one cursed by knowledge

                In-in ... I remembered Gridasov for good reason ... You and him are a magnificent pair of boots laughing
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 4 May 2018 21: 12
                  0
                  His pair of boots, compared to yours, is the perfect combination.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 May 2018 22: 56
        +2
        Two engines set to increase traction, rather than increase reliability. On a heavy fighter like the Su-30, one engine is not enough. And two on the MiG-29 are too much. There is simply not one powerful enough.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 May 2018 01: 34
          0
          As an example, the F 35 on a single engine pulls 9000 kilograms of combat load.
    2. kasatky
      kasatky 3 May 2018 22: 56
      +4
      Stunned! The operator has steel balls! Clearly held the plane in sight!
  24. groks
    groks 3 May 2018 21: 27
    +1
    If the eyewitnesses did not lie and the crew left with all their might, then this is probably because even with a successful bailout on the ground, nothing good was waiting for them. This is in favor of the version of the attack on the plane. In this case, i.e. when there was no immediate death of the crew, they should have reported the causes of the damage to the aircraft.
    It will be as usual - MORF will twist and twist traditionally unsuccessfully. What will give an occasion for obkhivaniya crew and aircraft.
  25. Bastinda
    Bastinda 3 May 2018 21: 49
    0
    By the way, what about the next article? https://topwar.ru/140942-cnn-kitaycy-voennye-osus
    chestvlyayut-lazernye-ataki-samoletov-vvs-ssha.ht
    ml
    Laser blinding, disorientation of pilots. Just like a version.
  26. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 3 May 2018 22: 05
    +1
    Guys, eternal memory. I dare to hope that those responsible will not leave the family of officers without due attention.
  27. geniy
    geniy 3 May 2018 22: 09
    +2
    Well, it's just amazing how incompetent readers are! Many do not understand why the pilots did not catapult? Yes, the fact is that when the aircraft rotates around its longitudinal axis, it flies a significant fraction of the time with its wheels up and the cabin down. And if the flight took place at a high altitude of the order of several kilometers, it would not matter, but if you ejected at a low altitude from a position with wheels up, that is bail downthen the pilots would have been killed by hitting the surface. And the second reason most likely is that both pilots fought to the end to save the aircraft. The fact is that often in such cases the whole crew instinctively tries to stop the rotation. I read about one incident with a multi-engine Tu -... reconnaissance aircraft, which fell into a similar situation, and the co-pilot then recalled that all seven (7!) People in the cockpit pulled the control stick! That is: for those who do not understand how the airplane is controlled: there is a hydraulic control system that is configured so that the pilot can move the control handle with just one finger, not to mention the fact that it is unnecessary to apply the full force of both hands. And all the more unnecessary to manage both pilots. And it’s all the more stupid to pull the control handle of the entire crew: to the co-pilot, and the navigator, and the scorer, and the radio operator and the mechanic, and the gunner. But everyone wants to live! And that’s why all 7 people were pulled. It was the same in this case - both probably tried to control, and undoubtedly, they hoped to save both themselves and the plane.
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 4 May 2018 01: 09
      +4
      That is, are you competent? Having read somewhere a bike? However, special!
  28. militia2
    militia2 3 May 2018 22: 22
    0
    Strange photo, however. The commissions would have to talk to this photojournalist.
  29. K-36
    K-36 3 May 2018 22: 25
    +5
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: 210ox
    Let's not guess. We’ll figure it out ... But this is not the first time that they sin on birds

    maybe the birds provoked a "surge", but the other day they wrote that the glider turned several times through itself, in such a situation it is impossible to eject. ((((

    Yurevich. My regiment commander (crew Zhilin Yu.V.) ejected from a separate fragment of the Su-17 M3 aircraft (namely, the cockpit) after two front flips of this cockpit. The fact is that the bomb exploded under the fuselage immediately upon separation from the aircraft. The explosion broke the plane into two parts: 1) Cabin; 2) The rest of the aircraft from the beginning of the gargrot to the keel. That part of the plane in which the pilot was located (that is, the Cockpit) made two front flips. Then Zhilin pulled the arm of the K-36 chair. He was alive and well on landing, a slight scratch on the wrist between the thumb and forefinger.
    So Aviation is a storehouse of sometimes unthinkable events.
    hi
    1. Lucy
      Lucy 6 May 2018 18: 39
      0
      Yes, Air Force Wonderland!
      In Marculesti of the MSSR, in my opinion, I do not remember exactly on the MiG-21bis loop in the 80s was Mr. Biryukov (sort of). The plane fell into 2 parts, l-catapulted. Then he flew on the MiG-29.
  30. iouris
    iouris 3 May 2018 22: 26
    +2
    What is wrong with the version? The version is thrown like a bone to dogs. It is time for PR managers from Moscow Region to understand that no one can make such statements before approving the conclusion on the causes of the accident.
  31. flanker7
    flanker7 3 May 2018 22: 29
    +2
    I feel sorry for the pilots to tears.
    I think that they did everything they could ....
  32. gerkost2012
    gerkost2012 3 May 2018 22: 32
    0
    Or maybe the sworn "partners" on EW and worked, violating the entire control system Drying? As for the birds, which suddenly just hit two engines, it’s just ridiculous.
  33. Vityukha
    Vityukha 3 May 2018 22: 37
    +2
    As an option, why not catapulted. When servicing an airplane on the ground, the fuse now checks are inserted into the ejection seat, in the places of installation of the squibs, the same goes for shooting the cockpit lantern on the squibs. Before departure, all checks are removed, and in order not to forget to remove everything, they are mounted on a cable with red flags. If one check remains, the entire CAPS system (emergency exit system) may not work.
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 3 May 2018 23: 00
      +2
      But the technician removes all the flyers, but the pilot must check ... or isn’t it?
  34. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 3 May 2018 22: 47
    +1
    Whatever it is.
    Earth rest in peace for our guys ....
  35. Essex62
    Essex62 3 May 2018 22: 49
    +1
    Good memory to Russian soldiers. Condolences to families.
  36. Tomato
    Tomato 3 May 2018 23: 00
    0
    Some colleagues misunderstand the psychology of the soldiers of Islam. If even what kind of gang was involved in the crash, there were already screams of joy on all their resources. But there is nothing. Consequently - a technical problem.
  37. shadow
    shadow 3 May 2018 23: 02
    0
    Not a flock of birds, but a bird. By the way, the bird really could have damaged the engine. Here's an example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP8M2DzSLqs&t
    = 29s
  38. Bypassed
    Bypassed 3 May 2018 23: 24
    +1
    This version looks rather strange, as for modern aircraft there are cases of leaving the side and at “extremely” low altitudes. In fact, ejection from the Su-30CM is possible at zero height and speed.

    Stranger and weirder (Alice).
    The K-36D-3,5 seats have an "intelligence": if the pilot does not have time to eject in time, the seat does it for him - the pilot's weight, aircraft speed, its position relative to the ground will be automatically calculated and, depending on this, the pilot's ejection force and the safest direction of his flight.

    Although there was already something similar in my memory. When the SU-27 crashed at the international exhibition, everyone wrote off the same thing to birds (official version). And then the engine was taken apart. The temperature drop was and part of the blades simply melted. After that, representatives of one mailbox were puzzled by issues of thermal protection. While working out this issue, a technological defect was simultaneously detected in the manufacture of engine nozzle blades (inside), which led to the rupture of the blades with a high thermal local impact.
  39. Prisoner
    Prisoner 4 May 2018 00: 48
    0
    It is time for our pilots to drive very firmly into the heads that in the absence of danger to civilians it is necessary to proceed from the fact that a person is more important than iron !!! Saving the device is beautiful, but stupid!
  40. Compasure
    Compasure 4 May 2018 01: 18
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    the glider revolved several times through itself, in such a situation it is impossible to catapult. ((((

    about "impossible" watch the video
  41. Ustin
    Ustin 4 May 2018 02: 46
    0
    Quote: MadCat
    Quote: Vadim237
    There is a system for shooting a flashlight - at least somehow damage it.

    there is of course, only no one is immune from failures, there have been cases.

    SAPS on the SU 30SM fourfold reservation (this is so, for information), They simply did not pull the “pens”, neither the first nor the second. There was most likely time for this. The second engine can easily be damaged when the first one is destroyed. (Compressor blades pierce the sheathing at a time) Such cases were. The commission will sort it out. My opinion is that they were leaving the city.
  42. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 4 May 2018 04: 26
    0
    What is the article about? -Blogger. There are more questions and probabilities than there were !!! Two did not catapult, so they were already dead. Condolences to the near and dear pilots !!!
  43. geniy
    geniy 4 May 2018 07: 10
    +1
    Quote: glasha3032
    After reading somewhere a bike (that the whole crew was fighting for the life of the plane and there was no one to even broadcast)

    The bike? But can you then explain why, in most plane crashes, crews do not report to the ground at all that the plane is in a critical situation? Well, for example: several years ago the An-22 crashed in the Tula region. And where does the polynomial crew, in which, in addition to the second pilot, include the navigator, radio operator, and gunners. So - the duties of a radio operator to conduct radio communications with the earth, and he simply does not have other duties. But for some reason not a single word was broadcast. And in 2009, fell in the Tatar Strait Tu-142 - and also did not say a single word. Everyone also knows the disaster of the French airliner flying over the Atlantic Ocean - they fell from about a height of 10 kilometers, but reported nothing to the ground.
    In 2015, the Tu-154 fell into the Black Sea - and they also did not say a single word to the earth. And this is not to mention the notorious Malaysian Boeing - which generally disappeared without a trace. The version with the hijacking, I think is wrong - in fact, both of his pilots struggled with a critical situation and did not find a single second to scream at least something to the dispatcher. The Yak-42 plane near Yaroslavl - not a single word was broadcast. Also, the Airbus A-320 crashed into the Black Sea near Sochi. And this Su-30 is a clear thing that the pilots understood that the flight was in an emergency, and they probably struggled with it with all their might. But according to the rules, at least one of them had to report to the ground that they were falling.
  44. Spook
    Spook 4 May 2018 07: 58
    0
    the funny thing is that you all write only what someone once put in your head, missiles, the failure of avionics, reb and birds, you just can’t think of anything else because of your competence

    let the professionals investigate

    here's a first-hand example of what non-predictable factors might be:

    the plane flew from a European country to the equatorial one and the crew commander decided to save, did not drain the remaining fuel and did not refuel with the local one and flew back to what it was, the northern fuel was first heated up in the heat, and then cooled down at a height it released water and the water froze with small crystals and clogged the fuel filter, all the engines stood up, during the accident investigation found out that the engines stood up, but why they couldn’t understand for a long time, all the systems were working, the ice melted and the filters on the ground were clean, imagine what work had to be done to find it
    1. Barabashka 68
      Barabashka 68 4 May 2018 16: 40
      0
      Is that a tractor for you?
      1. Spook
        Spook 5 May 2018 21: 46
        0
        firsthand, specialist in the investigation)))
  45. vladasyar
    vladasyar 4 May 2018 08: 26
    +1
    In person, 100% of the aircraft was taken under external control with the forced blocking of the ejection system.
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan 4 May 2018 09: 05
      0
      Yeah ... American hackers begin, Washington's hand ... Stupidity.
  46. moscowp
    moscowp 4 May 2018 08: 46
    +2
    With the version about the bird flock, there is not only one thing - it is too boring for discussion by the Internet community. Therefore, we must urgently come up with several other, brighter conspiracy theories
  47. gukoyan
    gukoyan 4 May 2018 09: 03
    +1
    Maybe all the same, it is a matter of high-quality fuel?
    If the engines were reanimated twice, they may have stalled.
  48. geniy
    geniy 4 May 2018 13: 14
    +4
    Quote: gukoyan
    Maybe all the same, it is a matter of high-quality fuel?
    If the engines were reanimated twice, they may have stalled.

    All participants are entitled to put forward any version.
    But you see what’s the matter, most of your versions can be easily checked for veracity even without getting up from the couch.
    Here's an example of low-quality fuel. Or temperature cast version:
    When the SU-27 crashed at the international exhibition, everyone wrote off the same thing to birds (official version). And then the engine was taken apart. The temperature drop was and part of the blades simply melted.


    Yes, in this case the engine can really stall. And, in principle, both engines can stall even at once. But here is a nuance: when nominating any version, absolutely all the facts that happened in a particular event must be explained. But the main thing in this tragedy is that the plane lost control in the transverse channel. That is, the plane spontaneously sought to rotate around the longitudinal axis. And the pilots struggled with this phenomenon.
    But only the profane do not know that the controllability of the aircraft in no way depends on the operation of the engine. That is, even with the engine completely turned off (or all engines), any aircraft must normally fly forward. And this has been checked dozens of times in the history of aviation. For example, the well-known Gimmy glider - that is, a jet airliner that ran out of fuel in flight. Either the Airbus over the Atlantic Ocean, or the Tu-204, too, ran out of fuel and it flew 20 kilometers in a planning flight. There were many such cases.
    For those who are very dull, take as an example a car whose engine suddenly stalled while driving. But the steering is obliged to continue to work normally! That is, a car with a stopped engine will not spontaneously turn around. But the plane should behave in the same way: when a sudden stop of at least one, even of all engines, it must fly smoothly.
    But here you should all object: after all, in this case everything happened not so - the plane clearly lost control.
    Yes of course! But since the loss of control cannot be associated with a simple shutdown of the engine, it means that the version with poor-quality fuel is erroneous and must be discarded immediately.
  49. jaroff
    jaroff 5 May 2018 11: 48
    +1
    There is a version that did not jump, because. the second crew member was not a pilot at all, but a “passenger”, flew for a ride. It is no coincidence that they have already gone the third day after the disaster, and they do not voice the name of the second. Then everything “folds”, the second one without equipment or with a successful bailout, they will not stroke anyone on the head. There is only one way out: fight for the plane to return to base.
    The version has a right to exist. Personally, it would be enough for me to give the name of the second who died and the one who was indicated in the planning table.
    1. Lucy
      Lucy 6 May 2018 18: 57
      0
      zharoff (Ustin)
      You are just dashing like a fighter pilot, with the motto - "Whoever dies from @ yt."
      Sorry for the engineer, this is fate!
      In the days of the USSR, they were still told to cadets - in aviation, naked @ sing, you will not surprise anyone.
      And deducted from flight work, and fired, and transferred to the An-2, including an amateur (KE like HVVAUL) ride his wife on the L-39, povy @ be near the An-12 on the MiG-23M (Art. to Tiraspol), in the jiuzi of the curve, the An-26 crew (50 osap) was poisoned in aircraft guides and 24 hours (flight attendant) in the USSR, but this cannot be eradicated.
    2. Berkut154
      Berkut154 6 May 2018 21: 25
      +1
      The question is that until the second egg pulls, the first one has no chance. This is how the system of leaving the su-30
    3. Berkut154
      Berkut154 6 May 2018 22: 53
      0
      Marat Musaev died in Kazan yesterday. A journalist covering events in Syria and the Donbass. Officially-Tore a blood clot, the diagnosis immediately !!!. Silence in Kazan ... coincidence?
  50. Georges Pompidou
    Georges Pompidou 6 May 2018 07: 48
    +1
    In general, it is clear that so far nothing is clear. And when it will be clear it is not known! No. Everything as usual!