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Causes will be installed. Work began on the rise of the Su-30CM, collapsed into the sea

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At the crash site of the Russian Su-30CM in the Mediterranean, work began to lift the aircraft. The body of the Russian fighter is now taken from the bottom, about 20 divers take part in the operation, according to the TeleGam channel WarGonzo


Causes will be installed. Work began on the rise of the Su-30CM, collapsed into the sea


The body of the Russian fighter SU-30, sunken in the Mediterranean off the coast of Syria, is currently attached with cables to lift the plane from the bottom. The square is patrolled by three boats of the Russian Navy, a warship from Tartus, equipped with a special crane, also arrived at the site.
- said in a statement

According to the channel, 20 divers are involved in the search. After lifting the hull to the deck of the ship, it will be delivered to the base in Tartus. There will arrive aircraft technicians who will be engaged in the examination of the wreckage of the Su-30. It is also reported that the body of the fighter transported to Moscow by plane IL-76.

The eyewitnesses also clarified that of the five times that the pilots tried to level the falling plane, they almost succeeded in doing this twice. That is, the pilots tried to save the car before the last, perhaps that is why they did not have time to eject
- notes the channel.

Another eyewitness reported that the fighter's engine stalled after 40 seconds after takeoff at an altitude of about 200 meters. Before hitting the water, the fighter turned over in the air at least three times, and then fell into the water with its left side "tail down."

This incident was commented by State Duma deputy, former deputy commander-in-chief of the Air Force, Colonel-General Nikolai Antoshkin. He stated that the crash of both the Su-30 fighter’s engines could have been a collision not with one, but with a flock of birds.

There are two engines. If they crashed into a flock, this could happen (stopping of both aircraft engines), and if a single bird hits, then you can fly on the second engine, complete the task and return
- Antoshkin told Interfax.

He noted that when stopping both Su-30 engines at low altitude it is impossible to save the plane.

If the engines already stood up and the height was low above the sea, you could not save it (the plane), and if I had turned and tried to plan, I would fall on a Syrian settlement, and this is much worse
- added the general
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 3 May 2018 15: 52
    +33
    Eternal memory to our Pilots. Let's keep quiet better.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 3 May 2018 16: 04
      +10
      "...out of five times, which the pilots tried to align the falling plane - twice they almost succeeded. That is, the pilots tried to save the car to the last ... "(from the text)
      I immediately recall the cases from the Great Patriotic War, when German pilots were thrown from a parachute from absolutely unharmed fighters - their own skin is more expensive.
      And these are real pros, true heroes! Eternal memory to them! hi
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 3 May 2018 16: 07
        +5
        At Le Bourget in 1999, our Su-30MK also fell tail-down near the ground. But they ejected safely.
      2. t-4
        t-4 3 May 2018 16: 23
        +7

        The crash of the MiG-23 in Belgium is a plane crash that occurred on July 4, 1989. The fighter MiG-23M of the USSR Air Force took off from the Kolobrzeg airfield in Poland, but it had a temporary interruption in the operation of the engine (surge). After the engine failure, the pilot ejected, and the uncontrolled plane flew 901 kilometers over the territory of the GDR, Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium and fell on a residential building near the Franco-Belgian border. One person died on earth.

        Are the incidents from the Great Patriotic War your personal memories?
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 3 May 2018 16: 36
          +13
          Quote: t-4
          Are the incidents from the Great Patriotic War your personal memories?

          Very witty, you just laugh! crying This is a memoir of Soviet aces. In particular, Evstigneeva.
          1. t-4
            t-4 3 May 2018 16: 47
            +6
            Quote: Proxima
            were thrown from a parachute from absolutely unharmed fighters - their own skin is more expensive.

            See the root, and do not think superficially. Cases are different in all the armies of the world, and not only for us all the heroes, but they all have cowards.
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 3 May 2018 17: 17
            +8
            Sergei, don't pay attention. another troll. they always breed before the war. I hope she won't.
            1. urman
              urman 3 May 2018 21: 42
              +1
              Here are just not enough SMERSHA on their cross-eyed !!!!!!
        2. Yura Yakovlev
          Yura Yakovlev 3 May 2018 17: 12
          +4
          In the MiG-23 there was a political officer, not a pilot. That makes all the difference. Who knows who the political officer is, he will understand.
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 3 May 2018 17: 45
            +3
            Quote: Yura Yakovlev
            Who knows who the political officer is, he will understand.

            I am a political officer. Not understood. Can you explain?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 3 May 2018 17: 53
              +5
              Quote: Thrall
              I'm a political officer.

              Deputy for a liter? Leave me a little, otherwise I'll be offended .. drinks
            2. Micrurus spixii
              Micrurus spixii 3 May 2018 20: 31
              +3
              I'll tell you, Thrall. I have a friend, political officer. A wonderful person, but point by point. 1) Constantly avoids a direct question. 2) Always "thinking is in the blood" before the report 3) With a direct remark, the answer is only favorable for him; in the presence of docks, a dull agreement.
            3. urman
              urman 3 May 2018 21: 50
              +2
              No offense, 35 years have passed, I still remember and do not like.
              This is so soft, but the commanders and .... I respect and communicate!
          2. urman
            urman 3 May 2018 21: 46
            0
            From Afghan stories.
            Avio gunner, who can hide /, the political officer comes in ..
          3. iouris
            iouris 3 May 2018 22: 15
            +2
            Loves to fly, but is afraid?
        3. Looking for
          Looking for 3 May 2018 22: 04
          -1
          Young friend, this incident really took place.
      3. Sergey ippon
        Sergey ippon 3 May 2018 18: 00
        +6
        it would be better to catapult with this piece of iron.
        and pilots are a thousand times more important.
    2. Maz
      Maz 8 May 2018 20: 28
      0
      What is the rise? until Amber is suitable there is simply no one and nothing to raise. So far we have fenced off the area and established the search area. All. Grief = journalists. Amber approached Crete, speed 14 knots, still spank and spank.
  2. Sonet
    Sonet 3 May 2018 15: 58
    +8
    It is unclear, if both engines failed at low altitude, how did the pilots try to save the plane?
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS 3 May 2018 15: 58
    +10
    The pilots need to be roused and brought home, and then worries so that the car does not fall into the hands of the enemy. Condolences to family and friends. Bow to the ground to the hero guys.
  4. Turgon
    Turgon 3 May 2018 16: 02
    +9
    It's a shame for the pilots, to hell with him with the plane.
  5. Yura Kharlamov
    Yura Kharlamov 3 May 2018 16: 05
    +1
    Not everything is so simple. Didn't they take the checks out of the chair in a hurry? Like a cadet on L39? Bad tendency to save a piece of metal
    1. okko077
      okko077 3 May 2018 16: 12
      +4
      No need for wretched speculation ... There, on the basis of a full staff of ITS with increased salaries and where people hold on to a job ... Compared with training and their stress and staffing ...
      1. Yura Kharlamov
        Yura Kharlamov 3 May 2018 16: 23
        +1
        This is not speculation. It is called VERSION. Unlike the immediately named reason about the bird. There are several versions. And the human factor is 70% of catastrophes. Use the word poor in another place professional
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 3 May 2018 17: 20
          +1
          We don't need to provoke and panic here. And not such were seen off.
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 3 May 2018 21: 24
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            And not such were seen off.

            the ball is round, everything is coming back, maybe we will show you too?
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 3 May 2018 21: 29
              +1
              Dmitry, someone tried. Right now he is racking his brains over the "Plan R".
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 3 May 2018 21: 31
                0
                Quote: sabakina
                Dmitry, some people tried

                it's all elementary, believe me, you have more flood than necessary))) ..... there would be a desire and diligence)))
  6. gukoyan
    gukoyan 3 May 2018 16: 07
    +1
    The main thing is that the black box is intact ... Based on negotiations and telemetry, you can establish what's what.
    1. milling machine
      milling machine 3 May 2018 17: 21
      +1
      Quote: gukoyan
      The main thing is that the black box is intact ... Based on negotiations and telemetry, you can establish what's what.

      If there was a jamb in the very structure of the aircraft or was knocked out from the ground, then - 100% of the Ministry of Defense will not tell us this, since this is a shame.
  7. kaschey
    kaschey 3 May 2018 16: 08
    +6
    "If the engines have already risen over the sea and the height is low, then you will not be able to save (the plane), and if you turned around and tried to plan, you would fall on a Syrian settlement, and this is much worse
    - added the general "
    And the general did not add that it was necessary to eject.
    They are someone else's fathers, except as military personnel, a piece of iron - to hell with her, but it's a pity for people, they tie the pilots to the plane with chains ...
    1. airgus
      airgus 3 May 2018 16: 32
      +18
      Pilots in the new Russia began to be afraid of ejection, due to the fact that our entire judicial system in our country is built on finding a living guilty person, putting him in and hanging on him and his entire family with multi-million payments for the lost plane. They definitely need to be the culprit in this. And if they had survived, the prosecutors would have done everything possible to pin the loss of the plane on the pilot, even if they were not to blame. And so, lately, many pilots, in the presence of an emergency on board, are beginning to think: "what if I did something wrong, but what if I jump, then they will put me in jail and make me pay my family and grandchildren for this plane, well nafig it, I'll try pull out the plane "And as a result, if the pilot dies, then there is no one to hang the loss of the state on. And this is exactly what the bulk of the flight crew of the Aerospace Forces is thinking about. You don't have to go far and remember just the Su-24 that crashed there on takeoff, why didn't they jump, but because they realized that they had messed up and decided that it was better to try to save the plane and possibly die than serving a few years and paying for this piece of iron all my life. In Soviet times, there was no such attitude towards pilots in accidents, because people were more important than money and iron, and if the pilot jumped, well, okay, it's just a piece of iron, we'll build a new one. Unfortunately, now this is not so, and money, not people, is in the first place.
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      2. dauria
        dauria 3 May 2018 16: 50
        +4
        In Soviet times, there was no such attitude towards pilots in accidents.


        The zampolit paid three salaries for the blades. And they counted the pravaku with a bead (they must look). This is in the 85th under the USSR. And in the DRA. So then they also "got" money. And the weapons were tenfold, yeah.

        The other is surprising. Why the hell are they spreading all this, and even take out the investigation for them, but put it down with all the guilty. Shoigu, why is the show satisfied? The Union fought and learned about it only from the orders "in the part concerning"
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 3 May 2018 17: 55
          +7
          Quote: dauria
          Why the hell are they spreading all this, and even take out the investigation for them, but put it down with all the guilty. Shoigu, what is the show satisfied with? The Union fought and learned about it only from the orders "in the part concerning"

          And they (MO) have no choice. If they do not post information, it means that others will post it. And already "painted" in the right colors. It was easier under the Union. There was no internet, no cell phones with cameras, no car video recorders.
      3. Proxima
        Proxima 3 May 2018 16: 50
        +12
        Quote: airgus
        Pilots in the new Russia began to be afraid to eject, due to the fact that all of our the judicial system in our country is built on finding a living guilty person, putting him in prison and hanging on him and his whole family multi-million payments for the lost plane... They definitely need to be the culprit in this. And if they stayed alive, then prosecutors would do their best to pin the loss of the plane on the pilot, even if they were not to blame.

        I have never read such nonsense in my life !!! belay
        Have you messed up the site for an hour? You need an Internet version of some "Echo of Moscow" and you won't see such paranoia there.
        Dear Troll, you can give at least one example when a crashed plane deducted from the pilot's salary and from his family's income?
        1. dauria
          dauria 3 May 2018 17: 31
          +3
          you can give at least one example, when a crashed plane was deducted from the pilot's salary


          I will answer for him (troll). Dropped Mi-6. From a couple of meters in your pocket. He broke the strut, fell over and began to “hover.” (With the taps closed) All six climbed out, scratched their turnips and moved away until it burst into flames and quickly turned into a heap of ash, steel parts, surviving beam and blade tips. Firefighters, as always, arrived to pour over the coals. So, of course, not the full cost in tenfold, but all six got it (from three salaries and in descending order). The radio operator generally whined me for what ?! I sit there for a parrot exactly on the priest. True, I personally did not look at the list, and in that "real" army of that time it was not customary to bring the punishments of senior officers to junior ones.
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 3 May 2018 22: 48
            0
            Quote: dauria
            you can give at least one example, when a crashed plane was deducted from the pilot's salary

            I will answer for him (troll). Dropped Mi-6 .....

            No one argues that for a plane lost through the direct fault of the pilot, no one will be happy - not the Stalinist falcon, not the Brezhnev ace, or the Russian pilot, but what does this troll write?
            Quote: airgus
            to hang on him and his whole family multi-million payments for the lost plane. ...

            Unfortunately, our pilots are not paid such salaries so that they can pay by airplanes belay
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    2. LSA57
      LSA57 3 May 2018 18: 47
      0
      Quote: kaschey
      And the general did not add that it was necessary to eject.

      have a conscience. the decision is not made by the general, the commander. just a few days ago, remember the incident with the L-39. who gave what commands and how it ended.
      be at least a little bit in the subject of who makes the final decision on the bailout
    3. seal78
      seal78 3 May 2018 18: 57
      0
      And the general did not add that it was necessary to eject.

      And if he added that, would someone feel better? Who cares what he said? The decision was made by the pilots, not the general.
  8. Hierarch
    Hierarch 3 May 2018 16: 14
    +5
    Lads, you can't do that. Who needs a piece of iron? I need you ...
    1. airgus
      airgus 4 May 2018 02: 57
      0
      Unfortunately, the state now has a different opinion
  9. canister
    canister 3 May 2018 16: 18
    +1
    It is a pity that they did not have time to eject ...
  10. TochkaY
    TochkaY 3 May 2018 16: 20
    0
    Pilots are patriots. What would I do?
  11. Hierarch
    Hierarch 3 May 2018 16: 21
    +1
    Quote: TochkaY
    Pilots are patriots. What would I do?

    The best you can think of is to rip the catapult checks between your legs. This would save the pilots, and rivet the piece of iron ...
    1. Yura Kharlamov
      Yura Kharlamov 3 May 2018 16: 26
      +1
      Handles.checks protect from kat-i
  12. Victor1
    Victor1 3 May 2018 16: 22
    +5
    why they pulled to the last, were over the sea, immediately ejected and that's it, if there is trouble with the engines and low altitude, why risk it, the command should have given a clear order long ago, the pilot's life is a priority.
  13. Hierarch
    Hierarch 3 May 2018 16: 26
    +1
    God rest the Souls of Thy Sons ...
    How to make sure that everything was paid to families?
  14. senima56
    senima56 3 May 2018 16: 27
    +4
    The plane has not been lifted yet, but already the conclusions: "There was no fire impact from the ground!" Sorry guys. Eternal memory and peace.
  15. sir_obs
    sir_obs 3 May 2018 16: 32
    0
    Soon, various "experts" will report that it was a top-secret operation of so-secret and invisible to anyone f22, or f35. Koikhma that I like to extol more.
  16. lance
    lance 3 May 2018 16: 35
    0
    they are not for rent, you have to wait for the boxes ..
  17. Hierarch
    Hierarch 3 May 2018 16: 37
    0
    Quote: Lance
    they are not for rent, you have to wait for the boxes ..
    What? Xperd?
  18. dolfi1
    dolfi1 3 May 2018 16: 43
    +6
    Oh, it would be better to catapult, the piece of iron can be built a new one. My condolences sad
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  20. Seaflame
    Seaflame 3 May 2018 17: 04
    +7
    What happened is a pain for every Russian. It is absolutely incomprehensible why the guys did not catapult, did they really want to save the combat vehicle? Are the tears of relatives no worse than the loss of an airplane? So many questions ... and angry questions to the command. Very angry questions. Military men, officers, are ready to give their lives. Officers of Russia! But you have to take care of your own. Skakuas jump in ecstasy (do not go to Ukrainian pubs, you will be disappointed in the person as in the form). Normal people condole. Thanks to the Israelis who did not pass by, our goals in the Middle East do not coincide, but we are still able to perceive each other's pain. I am writing banal, but on this day in May, grief did not just knock, but simply burst into someone's homes and families. May God grant them strength to survive this.
    1. SOF
      SOF 3 May 2018 17: 44
      +5
      Quote: Seaflame
      It is absolutely incomprehensible why the guys did not catapult, did they really want to save the combat vehicle?

      ... when the machine began to obey twice after five attempts, it seemed to have an illusion of control ... Maybe disorientation ... low altitude, near a city and ... a fucking centrifuge ...
      ..... Israelis .... really thank you for your sympathy .....
      .... blessed memory .... and the kingdom of heaven to the boys ...
  21. Charik
    Charik 3 May 2018 17: 54
    0
    birds? how to believe it - don't paws like titanium grind birds?
    1. airgus
      airgus 4 May 2018 03: 00
      0
      Can you imagine what the speed of rotation of the blades? And they are thin in addition. And break down from hitting foreign objects at once or twice
  22. Charik
    Charik 3 May 2018 17: 59
    0
    And which of the Sukhikhs there recently showed how the X35 is used on the surface? And in response they showed how to jam them with the help of the rib.
  23. 452336
    452336 3 May 2018 18: 06
    +1
    Why save the plane? Or is the car more valuable than the life of the crew?
  24. Charik
    Charik 3 May 2018 18: 06
    0
    well, I just found that the Su30cm X35 was working on a target - hence the conclusion that this is a demonstration of resistance
  25. Neksel
    Neksel 3 May 2018 18: 09
    +5
    Sorry for the pilots. This is the elite of troops in all countries. Condolences.
  26. Shinbet
    Shinbet 3 May 2018 18: 12
    +4
    @ lin, sorry guys! rest in peace to them. Please accept our condolences!
    Many media outlets write that they wanted to save the car and the pilots managed to level the plane 2 times. And even at a low altitude, but why after the second time they did not eject? there was such an opportunity.
    I am not very well versed in the modern doctrine of Russia, but be that as it may, I do not think that today the doctrine of "to save at any cost" prevails over human life. At least I would like to hope so.
    An airplane is metal, it can be replaced or a new one made, but the life of people is the most valuable thing that is given by Gd only once. She is one and she is not replaceable.
  27. Shinbet
    Shinbet 3 May 2018 18: 15
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Ippon
    it would be better to catapult with this piece of iron.
    and pilots are a thousand times more important.

    101%. support! Your words are axiom without proof.
  28. Shinbet
    Shinbet 3 May 2018 18: 19
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    The pilots need to be roused and brought home, and then worries so that the car does not fall into the hands of the enemy. Condolences to family and friends. Bow to the ground to the hero guys.

    Sorry, but this is nonsense. just declare officially that the plane crashed! And that's it! Not a single ship of any other country has the right, after such an announcement, even to sail over the place of the catastrophe.
  29. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 3 May 2018 18: 34
    +1
    Before hitting the water, the fighter turned over in the air at least three times, and then fell into the water with its left side “tail down”.

    Well, yes, they said you can easily eject, especially when the plane turns like a whirligig.
  30. Shinbet
    Shinbet 3 May 2018 18: 36
    0
    Quote: Incvizitor
    Before hitting the water, the fighter turned over in the air at least three times, and then fell into the water with its left side “tail down”.

    Well, yes, they said you can easily eject, especially when the plane turns like a whirligig.

    no. All the media write that 2 times managed to align the plane
  31. Tomato
    Tomato 3 May 2018 18: 37
    0
    It's easy to reason while sitting on the couch. But alas, who needs it, these invaluable tips will not help.
    I'm so sorry.
  32. serge siberian
    serge siberian 3 May 2018 18: 59
    +1
    But they could have been saved by a catapult. Lord, give peace to their souls and give strength to their relatives. soldier
  33. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa 3 May 2018 19: 35
    +1
    I constantly hear "there are no analogues in the world" .... "There are no analogues in the world" but I always said .... "what's the point" all this falls and also tends to deafen and the like. But no, our experts are always straightforward They already feel orgasm at their words there are no analogues in the world.
  34. geniy
    geniy 3 May 2018 21: 34
    0
    Could anyone explain why the plane was rotating?
    After all, engine failure is simply a loss of traction, and controllability should have remained all the same.
  35. geniy
    geniy 3 May 2018 21: 45
    +1
    But tell me: when in 2006 an Armenian airbus A-320 fell into the Black Sea, they claimed that it allegedly fell apart into small pieces no larger than a matchbox. But this time they are raising a whole plane. Why, in one case, the plane crashed like a glass vase thrown from its full swing onto a concrete floor, while in the other it remained completely intact?
    1. SEER
      SEER 4 May 2018 04: 05
      0
      Quote: geniy
      But tell me: when in 2006 an Armenian airbus A-320 fell into the Black Sea, they claimed that it allegedly fell apart into small pieces no larger than a matchbox. But this time they are raising a whole plane. Why, in one case, the plane crashed like a glass vase thrown from its full swing on a concrete floor, and in another - remained completely intact?

      Where is that written?
  36. geniy
    geniy 4 May 2018 07: 18
    +1
    Quote: SEER
    Where is that written?

    This is written everywhere... And then: do you have your own eyes? Have you not seen the footage from the crash site of the A-320, which shows thousands of tiny pieces lying at the bottom? ...
    Personally, I think that these thousands of pieces are just household waste taken out by the river for decades. BUT no large parts of the Airbus A-320 were shown!
  37. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 4 May 2018 19: 12
    0
    I have a lot of questions for the BVS (on-board computing system). Were no Western components used there? And if they were used, which ones?
    The bird can knock out the glider, but the pilots, too, want to live. Were they even conscious? Maybe their oxygen was turned off and the glider was transferred to remote control?
    This is not a simple plane crash, very difficult.
  38. Hiller
    Hiller 4 May 2018 21: 59
    0
    Bow to the ground and eternal memory to the pilots ... to relatives and friends - condolences
  39. Kirill Paletsky
    Kirill Paletsky 7 May 2018 01: 22
    0
    It is right that they decided to get the plane and make an analysis of the emergency.
    I grieve and express my condolences to the relatives and friends of the pilots. Peace be to ashes.
  40. steelmaker
    steelmaker 9 May 2018 08: 43
    +1
    Everyone is talking about birds. And not far from our base is the US squadron. Do you not admit that not only Russia has an electronic warfare system? It is suspicious that the best technique began to fall. If ours can intercept tomahawks, why can't the US our planes? More than one case of the fall of the MO did not give normal explanations.
  41. Vasilij Pereira
    Vasilij Pereira 12 May 2018 11: 26
    0
    Here is an example of how ordinary "pigeon houses" can overwhelm a plane taking off! Moreover, not only military, but also civilian. Prevention of such opportunities should be carried out. I admit that wild birds nesting near the airfield can be used for such a sabotage. Although, I fully admit that the reason may be different, and this version is just a cover.