German media: C-300 not a hindrance to the F-35 Israeli Air Force

The German magazine Die Welt published an article stating that "clouds hung over the bilateral relations between Russia and Israel." The authors of the article, Gil Yaron (Tel Aviv) and Pavel Lokshin (Moscow), write that the position of Russia and Israel on the Syrian issue is to blame for everything. The authors declare that these positions are “on opposite sides of the barricades”. It is noteworthy that the title of the article “Putin takes revenge and jeopardizes relations with Israel” itself appoints the main “culprit” of this situation. And this culprit authors in the German magazine see Vladimir Putin. To whom exactly Putin is avenging, - the authors concretize, to put it mildly, not quite clearly.

From the article:

Since the fall of 2015, Moscow has supported Syrian leader Bashar Al-Assad, while Israelis are bombing pro-Iranian forces that are fighting on his side. Even in this tense situation, countries adhered to their long-standing partnerships. After the attacks of the United States, France and the United Kingdom on Syria, Moscow announced that it intends to deliver modern C-300 air defense systems to Syria. Until now, Russia, at the request of Israel, refused such supplies. Russian media quoted clear words from Moscow: if Israel attacks the new systems, it will have "disastrous consequences." Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman replied: “If someone shoots our planes, we will respond. Israel will even attack Russian weapons systems in Syria if they use against Israel. "

This, according to the German media, could lead Russia and Israel to a collision.

Of material:

What happens if the Russian air defense missile systems will actually be in Syria? Militarily C-300 no problem for the Israeli Air Force. Israel is armed with the latest F-35 aircraft, which C-300 is not a hindrance. But at the same time to suffer - and for a long time - good relations between Moscow and Jerusalem can.

Comments

[maxim947]

Only one thing is clear, someone really wants a Jewish plane to be shot down, and in every possible way constantly provokes us to do this, the former goal is to untwist it later in full.

[Uncle lee]

Or it may even come to the point of knocking it down!

[voyaka uh]

Maybe, of course. They began to fight in February.
They will soon become the main fighter-striker of the Air Force,
workhorse instead of the F-16. And without losses in the war does not happen.

[Lord of the Sith]

Your defense minister and security chief fly to Moscow every three weeks. It used to be covered, but now it’s stopped. Therefore, there is an exchange of military and intelligence information.

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

And without losses in the war does not happen.

Wars with whom? Is Israel at war with the Russian Federation? Che for nonsense about ...

Israel is armed with the latest F-35 aircraft, which the S-300 is not a hindrance to.

If Israel continues to get in the way and climb into Syria, without soap, the answer will not be long in coming.
Do you really want to add gasoline to the Middle East bonfire? If you have a claim to Iran, where does Syria? Or burn with a desire to have a bite with Russia?

[Strips]

Quote: NEXUS

Wars with whom? Is Israel at war with the Russian Federation? Che for nonsense about ...

Israel and Syria are at war. When the USSR helped the Arabs and the Soviet military perished at the hands of the Israeli military and vice versa, this did not mean the USSR and Israel at war.

Quote: NEXUS

If Israel continues to get in the way and climb into Syria, without soap, the answer will not be long in coming.

Hardly.

Quote: NEXUS

Do you really want to add gasoline to the Middle East bonfire? If you have a claim to Iran, where does Syria?

Because Iran is creating its military bases in Syria and is trying to settle near the border with Israel itself and with the help of Hezbollah terrorists and at the same time supports terrorists who are fighting against Israel.

There is no Iran and its Hezbollah terrorists in Syria - there are no Israeli attacks on Syria.

Everything is simple

Quote: NEXUS

Or burn with a desire to have a bite with Russia?

What for? There is good coordination between Russia and Israel, and as long as Russia does not intervene in a showdown between Israel and Iran in Syria, everything is fine.
I think that Russia is quite happy with the Israeli strikes, which reduce Iran’s influence in Syria.

[Sodoh]

Quote: maxim947

Someone really wants a Jewish plane to be shot down,

Uncles in dresses in the government of Tehran?

[Topotun]

Rather, uncles under a star-striped. Iran does not need a war with the entire "democratic" world.

[Sodoh]

Quote: Topotun

Iran does not need a war with the entire "democratic" world.

Need, not need - they begged her.

[Topotun]

Well, yes, as requested by Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., etc. ..... Yes, and we strongly suspect this list.

[For example]

Quote: Sodoh

Uncles in dresses in the government of Tehran?

In Iran, uncles in dresses do not go, because they are uncles. You are confused. It is in the states that the buggers live and are supported by the president.

[Sodoh]

Quote: Topotun

Afghanistan

This is the USSR begged, for sure. still do not go away. And do not go into other people's affairs.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Sodoh

This is the USSR begged, for sure. still do not go away. And do not go into other people's affairs.

Bu-ha-ha-ha-ha !!!! If I begin to list cases now. when the country whose flag you are writing intervened in "other people's affairs", then my comment will not be missed due to the excessive amount of text)))
Well, you are so naive there in America - since the 1870s, you’re only actively engaging in these very strange affairs, sometimes even on other continents ...

There’s even a pro-American newspaper attack USA, France and Great Britain to Syria "- note what formulations ...

[APASUS]

Quote: Sodoh

Need, not need - they begged her.

Iran needs a war, but it is the United States that wants to get out of the deal with Iran.

[NF68]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Sodoh

Need, not need - they begged her.

Iran needs a war, but it is the United States that wants to get out of the deal with Iran.

It is unlikely that Iran really needs this war, especially with such a balance of power.

[72jora72]

Need, not need - they begged her.

Do you personally go to war with Iran? Judging by your name, already in 08 you "begged" from Russia in Ossetia.

[maxim947]

Uncles in dresses in the government of Tehran?

uncles in dresses fight off themselves, and dream when they are left alone, but those who walk under your flag will be delighted.

[ultra]

Quote: Sodoh

Uncles in dresses in the government of Tehran?

Rather, uncles in suits from Brioni from the Phasington regional committee!

[gippernano]

What to promote? that the F-35 is not suitable for any gate or army? Everyone burns with impatience to see how this wunderwaffle lands. Although of course they can’t say directly.

[Maz]

Kaneshno is not a hindrance, because these cowardly people fly with the codes of combat aircraft of the US Air Force, hide behind the skin of star-striped allies. They themselves are afraid to say sho they are Israeli planes. Otherwise, they will be immediately demolished from the sky, not even from -300, but from -200. And with the stripes we have an agreement. Well, these are used. Dirty work, unclean, nasty even. Sorry, Israeli colleagues, but no respect. End justifies the means. With this slogan, the Nazis destroyed Jews in concentration camps. Are you clearing the living space? Oh well.

[Zina389]

// And we have a contract with striped //
Who do we have? What codes are you talking about?

[Dormidont]

Maybe bad

[Major Yurik]

Funny, the Germans penetrate the Jews "weakly", see the rain!

[Volodin]

Quote: Major Yurik

It's funny, the Germans are punching the Jews

Authors: Gil Yaron (Tel Aviv) and Pavel Lokshin (Moscow). Here is the question: which of them is German?)))

[Major Yurik]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: Major Yurik

It's funny, the Germans are punching the Jews

Authors: Gil Yaron (Tel Aviv) and Pavel Lokshin (Moscow). Here is the question: which of them is German?)))

No, no, these two countrymen in any way! I'm talking about the media, they are kind of German, though ......!

[gippernano]

No, they F-35 in a coffin and white slippers want to see.

[sir_obs]

So let's see
The main thing is not to be shy to apply and do not wait for the border to cross. From where shot in Syria, there and wet. And then they will immediately tell how they have made all the weak.

[Logall]

Quote: Greyhound

Here we are!

Change your nickname, Greyhound ... Who and where did you get? Where did you go? If you are about yourself, then specify ...
And to be honest, then everyone got there ... Nobody wants to retreat ... And nobody wants to die!

[sir_obs]

The Germans also want to sell super-invisible wunderwaffles, just an advertising company.

[Dormidont]

Cool hutspa

[9PA]

Let's get revenge for the bear

[askort154]

..... Militarily, the S-300 is not a problem for the Israeli Air Force. Israel is armed with the latest F-35 aircraft, which the S-300 is not a hindrance to.


If so, why so much noise ?! Where is the logic ?!

[MadCat]

Quote: askort154

If so, then why so much noise ?! Where is the logic ?! fool

because the C300 is a threat to civil aviation, and not that their problem is destroyed due to the mountains with planning bombs.

[Gogia]

For civil aviation, the threat is the C75 and the old CUBs. The S-300 in the 80s under the F-117 was already sharpened - under low glare. It’s just that the S-300 will be able to guaranteedly hit the Israeli Air Force planes on takeoff - above 1000 m. But you can throw bombs from a low height, and there are MANPADS. All the specifics of the work of the Air Force will have to be changed.

[Albert1988]

Quote: MadCat

because the C300 is a threat to civil aviation, and not that their problem is destroyed due to the mountains with planning bombs.

Oga, so why didn’t they destroy a lot of them with these planning bombs because of the mountains?

[shahor]

Quote: Albert1988

Oga, so why didn’t they destroy a lot of them with these planning bombs because of the mountains?
Reply Quote Complaint

Last time - 3 days ago. Iranian missile depot at the Syrian base of 47 brigade. 40 km from the location of the Russian S-400 complexes. Did not hear?

[ultra]

Jew and logic are incompatible things!

[Zina389]

mind not to understand Michael

[Mountain shooter]

Magazines are completely without a tower. How many Israeli Air Force F-35? Even if we assume that the "flying penguins" are really not afraid of the S-300 ... What would seem to raise doubts .. And the rest of the 15th, 16th? Will they dress the burqa?

[Dym71]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And the rest of the 15th, 16th? Will they dress the burqa?

Windbreaker

[Strips]

F35 will make C300
And the rest gouges the rest.

[figwam]

Quote: Tiras

F35 will make C300
And the rest gouges the rest.

Then the tactical and the Kyrgyz Republic will take out all the airfields along with the entire Israeli air force, and these will be disastrous consequences.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Tiras

F35 will make C300

Of course - so they’ll directly take it and take it out))))

[voyaka uh]

Today - 9 pieces. At the end of next year there will be 22 pieces.
In just 3 years, at the end of 2021- there will be 33 pieces.
Another 17 - a little later. Total ordered 50 pieces.
F-16s begin to be decommissioned from the Air Force as F-35s arrive.

[gurzuf]

In Yugoslavia, too, "inconspicuous" from heaven, but lowered on the asphalt.

[voyaka uh]

They lowered one. And then on an optical device, without a radar.
But the rest of the F-117 made there more than 800 successful bombing.
And in Iraq too.

[gurzuf]

The main end result.

[figwam]

Quote: voyaka uh

But the rest of the F-117 made there more than 800 successful bombing.
And in Iraq too.

Well, yes, and they were quickly written off ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: voyaka uh

They lowered one. And then on an optical device, without a radar.

And here you are, my friend, oh how wrong you are - it was on the radar that the old "meter" Soviet radar landed it)))

[voyaka uh]

The officer who shot down said in an interview that he was pointing at a French optical device with which the Yugoslavs upgraded the old Soviet systems.
And in the gap between the clouds he caught the F-117 in the sight.
Then the senior air defense officers, who also wanted fame, “darted” this shooter
and started a blizzard about radars.

[Maz]

Yeah, the S-200 was also aiming at f-16 at the open sight from the AK-47 .... Yeah, We heard and saw how they successfully bombed the capital, civilian buildings, and instead of military installations sausages were scattered “microgals” scattered like sources E-magnetic radiation. No need to fool us about the F-117 in Yugoslavia. After all the bombing and screaming, the Serbs came out without a single conceivable loss. And your NATO heroes of safe bombing were on the eve of a heart attack when they saw the columns of the Serbian army leaving by agreement on the allotted territory. the same tactics at the Israeli Air Force. The last feint touches - the invulnerable F-35s - used the codes of the US Air Force combat aircraft - so that they would not be shot down during the last attack. Well, yes, we have an agreement with the Americans. Cowards and unscrupulous.

[Ingvar0401]

So let the chosen ones bomb the Iranians on the territory of Iran, and not on the territory of sovereign Syria ...

[Strips]

Quote: Ingvar0401

So let the chosen ones bomb the Iranians on the territory of Iran, and not on the territory of sovereign Syria ...

Let the terrorists of Iran - Hezbollah act at least outside in Syria, then Israel will not bomb in Syria.
This is because Iran pays and supplies weapons to the terrorists around Israel - Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic jihad.

Well, let Iran not act through its terrorists, but itself, and then we'll see

[Yasen Ping]

And when Israel bombed the nuclear center in Syria, he also bombed terrorists? you are our storyteller.

[Strips]

Quote: Yasen Pin

And when Israel bombed the nuclear center in Syria, he also bombed terrorists?

Then, Israel bombed a nuclear reactor, not a nuclear center - in April 2011, the IAEA officially confirmed that this place was a nuclear reactor.

And he did the right thing, that he bombed.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Tiras

Then, Israel bombed a nuclear reactor, not a nuclear center - in April 2011, the IAEA officially confirmed that this place was a nuclear reactor.

And why did Israel not please the nuclear reactor in Syria? And where then is the extensive radioactive contamination?

[Gogia]

Go and negotiate with Syria. You yourself fed the barmalei, treated them, supplied them with weapons. In Aleppo, they didn’t take yours for you before. Your General Secretary then came to Moscow to quietly settle. And it was necessary to the Air Force and CNN and Reuters - to invite all and to interrogate on a camera to remove. You are essentially aggressive. And at the expense of your escapade - the USSR set Arabs against Israel. Without the USSR, Israel would not have existed. The monument to Stalin in Yershalaim is not visible.

[Strips]

Quote: Gogia

Go and negotiate with Syria

Tried - Assad prefers Iran and its terrorists.

Quote: Gogia

You yourself fed the barmalei, treated them, supplied weapons

This is a known lie.

Quote: Gogia

Your General Secretary then came to Moscow to quietly settle.

And again by.

Quote: Gogia

settle. And it was necessary to the Air Force and CNN and Reuters - to invite all and to interrogate on a camera to remove.

Something has incurred you ..

Quote: Gogia

You are essentially aggressive.

It’s you who are aggressive, and Israel, when they don’t climb on it, does not bother anyone.

Quote: Gogia

And at the expense of your escapade, the USSR set Arabs against Israel. Without the USSR, Israel would not have existed. The monument to Stalin in Yershalaim is not visible.

Your fantasies have no limits.
Israel would like this Stalin or not.

[72jora72]

Your fantasies have no limits.
Israel would like this Stalin or not.

The clearness of your consciousness smiles at me . Keep observing.

[DENNIS]

They occupied the golans, occupied the igil there, and they want to tear off another piece of land to the sound of war, that's all their interest

[flicker]

Quote: Ingvar0401

So let the chosen ones bomb the Iranians on the territory of Iran, and not on the territory of sovereign Syria ...

This is the basis of the whole provocative calculation, the Iranians are beaten in Syria, but Iran cannot answer Israel in Syria, and will be forced to answer in Israel - and this is aggression, after which there is a press clamor, a question in the UN - they say, aggression from Iran with facts (and without facts bend, and even more so with facts). But Iran understands this game and answers differently.
We have not witnessed the birth of Israel, but it seems we will be witnesses to its end.

[Zina389]

Right witnesses Egova. Or maybe the witnesses of Saddam, Gaddaf and Ben Daden? In short think you will sit in witnesses

[flicker]

Israel is sentenced by its own ally and master of the United States.
While the United States was confidently sitting on the global Olympus, Israel felt more than free. As soon as the United States began to crawl from this Olympus, it was not up to Israel, in order to at least somehow slow down this creep, the states were ready to sacrifice their ally and throw him in the heat of war in the BV. Those in Israel who understand that the IDF is not an army, but rather the police that are unable to protect Israel from a serious war, want to avoid this war in which the US is pushing them - but many Israelis brought up on tales of the IDF’s strength and already accustomed to US support naively believe that they are able to get involved in the war in the BV and win.
So the end of Israel is not a metaphor, but quite a reality, at least for the current leadership of Israel.

[flicker]

This, according to the German media, could lead Russia and Israel to a collision.

If we choose between the clash between Russia and the USA, and the clash between Russia and Israel, then for us the second clash is definitely more beneficial. Because it will be just a clash - the Israeli missile defense will be neutralized, then the aviation (it’s enough to break the runway) and that’s all: the people are whole and Israel’s “teeth” are knocked out. True, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon can seize the moment and seize the territory of Israel, and Turkey, Saudi Arabia can join them.
However, I hope that this will not come to an end.

[MadCat]

Quote: flicker

If we choose between the clash between Russia and the USA, and the clash between Russia and Israel, then for us the second clash is definitely more beneficial. Because it will be just a clash - the Israeli missile defense will be neutralized, then the aviation (it’s enough to break the runway) and that’s all: the people are whole and Israel’s “teeth” are knocked out. True, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon can seize the moment and seize the territory of Israel, and Turkey, Saudi Arabia can join them.

it was smooth on paper but forgot about the ravines, Israel, of course, will raise its paws to the top and the falcons will bomb as in a parade. Then just do not need to shout "anastosasho" when they demolish together with the Americans the only base under the foundation with planning bombs. Do you even know that the Israeli Air Force is constantly patrolling the border?

[flicker]

Do you even know that the Israeli Air Force is constantly patrolling the border?

... subtle Jewish humor?

[Shahno]

Well, that's 7 points on the Richter scale ....

[Albert1988]

Quote: MadCat

Then just do not need to yell "anastozasho" when they demolish together with the Americans the only base under the foundation with planning bombs

Oh, well, a super-duper weapon was found! But nothing that the same S-300 has a larger range of action than these planning bombs? And what to prevent "because of the mountains" there are AWACS aircraft there?

[Shahno]

Bears are capable of flying, but so that they can take off, they need enough warm air, otherwise the muscles of their wings will not be able to work, so they rarely fly .....

[Albert1988]

There are a lot of people who are capable of flying, who at first glance should not fly at all))))

[stone]

If we choose between the clash between Russia and the USA, and the clash between Russia and Israel, then for us the second clash is definitely more beneficial. Because it will be just a clash - the Israeli missile defense will be neutralized, then the aviation (it’s enough to break the runway) and that’s all: the people are whole and Israel’s “teeth” are knocked out. True, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon can seize the moment and seize the territory of Israel, and Turkey, Saudi Arabia can join them.
However, I hope that this will not come to an end.

Lord, where are you from? from which sofa you are taken! You at least imagine the difference in the quantity and quality of the Israeli and Russian air forces in this theater. And this difference is clearly not in Russia's favor.

[flicker]

Lord, where are you from? from which sofa you are taken! You at least imagine the difference in the quantity and quality of the armed forces of Israel and the United States. And this difference is clearly not in favor of Israel.

[stone]

Yes, I can imagine On this theater, Israel is a very serious player. So it’s stupid to have a couple of dozen planes, and a couple of ships to consider a collision with at least those, at least with others.

[flicker]

very serious player.

Very serious ... who for some reason didn’t cope with Hezbollah for the last time. Smash the runway and a few dozen aircraft will not be able to take off. How many airfields are in Israel, how many on each runway, how many cruise missiles are needed to cut wings throughout the Israeli fleet. And without wings you are no worse than Palestinians with stones.

[Albert1988]

Quote: stone

Lord, where are you from? from which sofa you are taken! You at least imagine the difference in the quantity and quality of the Israeli and Russian air forces in this theater. And this difference is clearly not in Russia's favor.

Russia. by the way. it may not be connected to this theater, but Iran itself will joyfully provide, so to speak, airspace, but I completely agree with you - we must pray that it never comes to that.

[danan]

Nicholas is your galovas hot? in the marazilnik case.

[flicker]

For the Israeli climate, this is probably true

[72jora72]

Nicholas is your galovas hot? in the marazilnik case.

When I was in Egypt and Israel (traveled to the Holy Places), I was amazed at the state of Israeli cities (especially Jerusalem and Ashkelon), so you need to be able to squander it. Now I began to understand why ............ dirt in the heads, dirt in the streets under the houses, everything is natural.

[canister]

Until the 2018 World Cup, the Russian Federation will not make sudden gestures, but
then we'll see.

[Patriot5000]

that's about how I think so. And then the Paralympics were already boycotted in Sochi.

[Jeremiah]

"They will beat not according to the passport, but on the brazen well ... face ..."

[sir_obs]

Quote: Ingvar0401

So let the chosen ones bomb the Iranians on the territory of Iran, and not on the territory of sovereign Syria ...

Well, when the hosts will bomb, then they will catch up.

[Corsair0304]

Gil Yaron (Tel Aviv) and Pavel Lokshin (Moscow)

Jew and Russian wrote in German! magazine cool!

[canister]

Hitler shot himself again in hell when he found out that Russia wants to send troops to Ukraine, and the German chancellor (a woman in trousers) impedes this in every way.

[Topotun]

Well, after all - again the debate about who is better. Time and hostilities will show, while there is nothing to argue about. Here, one should rather be afraid that the world is pushing for these military operations very intensely .....

[Eduard petrov]

Dear Israeli partners, for us, more important than Assadushka, so do not see him the S-300. In general, any of our movement in the SAR only sucks us there. The initiative is entirely with the Jews and the United States with allies. You can’t even imagine a situation that could sooner or later be called a victory. It is regrettable. And disturbing.

[flicker]

The initiative is entirely with the Jews and the United States with allies.

This is not an initiative, but convulsions, such cramps that occur independently of the will, caused by some kind of pathology.

[danan]

It is regrettable. And disturbing. "
Actually, in my opinion, the authors of the article are wrong in accusing Putin. Just as the GDP represents a moderate side in the camp of influencers. We recall that the General Staff voiced a threat to put the C300. For what purpose ? Why now? Didn’t expect Israel’s reaction? Answers should be given by Russian readers.
Someone said You can’t give the generals the right to declare war.
I don’t know how things will go further, but An attempt to intimidate Israel did not work.

[Eduard petrov]

We recall: the General Staff voiced a threat to put the C300

The General Staff, without agreement with the political leadership, is afraid to say a word, no matter what happens, not to mention the threats and, especially, the supply of weapons, which is not at all within its competence.

I don’t know how things will go further, but the attempt to intimidate Israel did not work.

Who will scare him with such a lobby upstairs? This is just a request - do not bomb heavily, please, otherwise people do not understand and are ashamed.

[danan]

believe the voice of "one of the people": -Nobody in Israel is looking for a confrontation with Russia. Everyone wants friendship with Russia and enjoy its success. But there will be no compromise on security. Patriotism is real, not ostentatious. And in times of danger they’re tightening hands to each other, ready to help.

[Maz]

Who to scare? You suffer only because of American patronage.

[Yasen Ping]

Quote: Tiras

F35 will make C300
And the rest gouges the rest.

We welcome the specialist on c300, I wonder when you write this, think or so, just to write?

[Strips]

Quote: Yasen Pin

We welcome the specialist on c300, I wonder when you write this, think or so, just to write?

Do not poke please
And yes, I think and I advise you

[Albert1988]

Quote: Tiras

And yes, I think and I advise you

How to say - a famous turkey also thought, though he didn’t advise ...

[Abram]

most likely it is. S-300 complex was sold in the United States in the mid 90's, Greece has in service. i.e. Lockheed, sculpting their miracle of design thought, had an idea about the capabilities of the complex. I think in case of conflict he will dump a bunch of planning bombs before entering the detection zone and leave

[Albert1988]

Quote: Abram

most likely it is. S-300 complex was sold in the United States in the mid 90's

And do you think that after that he never upgraded?

[The Siberian barber]

The article serves as "another drop" in the matter of canceling the treaty on Iran’s nuclear program ..

[dolfi1]

All this is speculation, neither Russia nor Israel needs clashes. Putin and Netanyahu agree as always, I hope. All these dances of zhurnalyug and politicians from all sides, just a desire to be noted in the current topic. Of course, the interests of Russia and Israel do not coincide in many respects, but for this there is a direct line of communication between them. I think, by the way, Russia does not need the Iranians to completely crush Assad.

[Albert1988]

At least one voice of reason sounded today!

[Livonetc]

Let them chatter about how space f35 plow open spaces.
Meanwhile, another important logistics project has been launched - India Iran Russia Europe.

[ADT]

The topic is perfect does not make sense. If they want to "endure" the s-300 or its descendants, then with modern weapons, they will "endure" and not really strain. And if they fly without destroying anti-aircraft defense, then any systems, and older than the 300th, are dangerous, even for stealth aircraft. The differences are only in the degree of this danger.

[Albert1988]

Quote: ADT

The topic is perfect does not make sense. If they want to "endure" the s-300 or its descendants, then with modern weapons, they will "endure" and not really strain.

Question immediately - WHAT will they endure? And will those who stand stand calmly and wait until they are brought out?

[ADT]

The answer right away is what. For a more serious answer, you will have to write an entire article, which will be higher in level than this site. And what does it mean to wait? They should be able to understand that something is happening. But actually this is an interesting, but great conversation, and the essence of these forums is boltology. Yazh voiced his understanding of the current situation Means of attack - air defense.

[Albert1988]

Quote: ADT

The answer right away is what.

Very informative answer, thanks)))

Quote: ADT

For a more serious answer, you will have to write an entire article, which will be higher in level than this site

And you look, a modest person ...

Quote: ADT

And what does it mean to wait? They should be able to understand that something is happening.

That is, nobody is watching what is happening there - neither satellites, nor ground-based radars, nor AWACS aircraft, nobody - everyone is sitting and their ears are hanging ...

Quote: ADT

Yazh voiced his understanding of the current situation Means of attack - air defense.

Exactly - this is your understanding, but how does it, this understanding of yours, correlate with the real state of affairs?

[ADT]

I have no doubt that everything is tracked, from the roll-out of aircraft from the hangars, to the slightest changes in the "standard" radar picture displayed by the whole spectrum of surveillance systems, from ground to air. I have no doubt that the maximum variant is possible, in which several Sy-300 complexes are handed over to the Syrians, secretly pumped to 400, overlapping and covering each other, they are protected by shells and tori, around the placer it is "flexible" with willows, just pumped shilka, all old from 75 x to the 200s (also pumped and connected to a common network), well, of course cubes with beeches. And the Syrians all know this very well (well, or who will sit there in their uniform). Russia needs to prove that its goods are worthwhile.
So I have no doubt that this is likely. Well then, and you do not doubt that this probability is taken into account. The task is divided into components to the maximum, and each is solved as optimally as possible. Airplanes are now rolling out of the hangars every day, for educational purposes they go along certain routes, and there are probably a lot of uncertain noise on the air, which, in random order, are weaker, then stronger ....
What does my modesty have to do with it? It was because of such remarks that these forums turned into a garbage can, on which it makes no sense to list known weapons systems and to guess about the "closed ones".

[Albert1988]

As a result, everything rests on the fact that you and I, ordinary people, cannot access a huge amount of data that, for obvious reasons, is secret, which means that all our discussions on this subject are “boltology,” as you actually put it.

[ADT]

In principle, yes, it rests on two things.
The first - the feeling that a negative selection of members of the forum has been made, and they will openly speak out here, sharing their thoughts on the army theme, already looks unreasonable. This is what he had in mind when he said that a serious approach to any topic here is already overstated in relation to the forum.
Second - here you are almost right, we don’t know much. But even so, from what is open, in my opinion, is enough to convince that so far the means of attack are superior to the capabilities of air defense. This is just math.

[XXXIII]

Quote: ADT

The answer right away is what. For a more serious answer, you will have to write an entire article, which will be higher in level than this site. And what does it mean to wait? They should be able to understand that something is happening. But actually this is an interesting, but great conversation, and the essence of these forums is boltology. Yazh voiced his understanding of the current situation Means of attack - air defense.

You are lying, as you awake and how to eliminate air defense?
Here the question of danger in the article and in others is posed in the fact that if the Israeli Air Force aircraft enter the Syrian sky without warning, then that same bang can happen. From what a dangerous situation may arise, therefore discussions are going on so that the Israeli General Staff does not feel its invulnerability, but clearly coordinates its actions with other participants. In general, you simply do not need to show initiative and initiative, which can complicate the situation in Syria and not only ....

[ADT]

Kindergarten. What is this "you're all lying" expressed? And according to the results of the raids, is it not obvious that amateur activity has nothing to do with it?

[72jora72]

They should be able to understand that something is happening

How would you then have time to understand why suddenly you turned into humus .......

[ADT]

The main thing is that such humus will not be born.

[Albert1988]

Fortunately, they are not born - they become humors, including those who very often turn into humus who scream very zealously about how everyone will be carried out / rolled out / bombed into the Stone Age and further down the list ...
Although it is worth noting that some citizens in many countries around the world, even during their lives, turn into humus under the influence of modern media ...

[ADT]

Here, apparently, you have a massive degeneration there .. although many are initially prepared for this.

[sir_obs]

Quote: Abram

he will dump a bunch of planning bombs before entering the detection zone and leave

They are planning, not waving their wings. Aircraft will be discovered long before they drop something there.

[Abram]

GBU-39 plans to 100 km. who will find them with their low ESR? military cheburashki-hearing-makers?

[DENNIS]

They will set up an ambush and bring down it. There, one complex will stand in the middle of the desert and wait until it is blown up.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Abram

GBU-39 plans to 100 km.

To plan for 100 kilometers, you need to drop them from a very decent height, and at that height the carrier will be found ...

[Prisoner]

Clear business is not a hindrance, it is a kirdyk!

[nathanael]

Practice is the criterion of truth .... I have not misinterpreted anything? Take risks with the health of the pilot fi35

[Albert1988]

So no one will do this, that's the whole point

[Kostadinov]

Only defense is obviously a losing strategy. Especially against aviation. We must counter-strike with ballistic and krillat missiles at the airbase, anti-missile and air defense radars, and so on.

[anjey]

again, this miracle was carried out, this time by the Hans ...., probably in justification of its imposition for Germany, the Yankees

[Miflecet]

Quote: Dym71

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And the rest of the 15th, 16th? Will they dress the burqa?

Windbreaker

[Miflecet]

I think that would be more suitable for dress code Yermolk.

[Mentat]

Quote: MadCat

Quote: askort154

If so, then why so much noise ?! Where is the logic ?! fool

because the C300 is a threat to civil aviation

Have you collapsed from the nearest fig tree?

not that their problem is to be destroyed because of the mountains with planning bombs.

C-300 are covered by short-range air defense. Therefore, to destroy them, with the competent construction of air defense in the Russian doctrine, is not just a problem, but a big problem.

[Shahno]

Well, so your problem is solved, last week it was decided ...

[Mentat]

Quote: Shahno

Well, so your problem is solved, last week it was decided ...

What are you writing about? Yours is ours. There is one cardinal problem there: Isis and the like, which Russia is helping to solve Syria.

[Shahno]

About what? Air defense? The attack "Jabel 47", located forty kilometers from the base of Khmeimim .... Well, let's say you help there in your interests ....

[Mentat]

Quote: Shahno

About what? Air defense? The attack "Jabel 47", located forty kilometers from the base of Hmeimim ....

AND? Russia has repeatedly explained the procedure for using its own air defense. Syria does not officially have S-300 (although, as you know, the issue of supply is open). And if there is somewhere, they will be applied only as a last resort with a real significant threat.
Therefore, your messages are obviously nothing more than empty bragging. Why then do you write them?

[Shahno]

"C-300 hide behind short-range air defense. Therefore, to destroy them, with the proper construction of air defense in the Russian doctrine, is not just a problem, but a big problem."
Here are the words ... yours. Or these complexes were not during the strokes I described.

[Maz]

So you fly around our complexes - you fly to visit do not be shy.

[Mentat]

Quote: Shahno

Well, let's say you help there in your interests.

Naturally, in this matter the interests of Russia coincide with the interests of Mankind, including Of Israel. In my opinion, it’s very good that you don’t find a country capable of effectively solving such problems? At the same time, not getting into shamelessly, but preserving the face of others and respecting their right to independence.

[Mentat]

Quote: Shahno

Or these complexes were not during the strokes I described.

As far as I know, no. Is there any other information? Syria has not yet officially delivered the S-300.

[in tamil]

... Israelis, march from our sites! But we will come there to talk with you ...

[in tamil]

... afraid of contacting Israel ...

[in tamil]

... I’ll add to my comment: He is our Chief !!! Matsu eats, the teacher gives real estate only a couple of years with him, later, in the early 70's !!! - this Mina, or like her, jerked into the special squad in the Promised ... And they took it ... The real estate at whose expense was bought for her? - State or Him !!! And in that, and suddenly, this is --- UNACCEPTABLE for the leader of the nation !!! THANKS TO HIM FOR SYRIA FOR THE STATUS-present-of my army, ARMIRIRF !!! But, crawling before the eternal Jew-traitor - THIS IS NOTHING !!!!!! Holocaust ... Is it really the Holocaust that only touches the Jews ?! My uncles perished in the abyss of that war ... GOD knows what has become of them ... Marat, this prisoner is unlikely to surrender b ... Peter, from his grandmother’s first marriage, could cheat, then resort to escape ... In both cases, uncle mine are victims of the same Holocaust ... But on the bones my grandmother didn’t demand compensation from the Bundestag, unlike ... Now the "God-chosen", it seeps that they gave their lives for the USSR, but not for themselves ... And the Kiselev detachment ... Watch a movie, and their skininess allowed them to abandon their own ... Power in Russia today is pro-Israeli, watch the Nightingale as the main thing: it praises the evil-minded, who like him had long since betrayed the Fatherland and even their kindred, learned fathers-Russophiles, shutting up even famous Russian historians who only open their mouths ... ALL THIS IS A SHAME, WITHOUTLY, NASTY !! ! I, like no one, have the right to present bills to the Israelis and Israel, but for this I must accept Judaism, otherwise the requirements will not work !!! Here, THIS TIME IS NOW ....

[in tamil]

... GDP !!! Fear, LOVE, KEEP PREVIOUSLY !!! !!! but Hanukkah in the Kremlin is already POSITIVE, it’s just !!! Hellas-the cradle of mankind, when she-Hellas-gave the world a reserve for development, Jews only they thought. how to intercept the flagship of the very “first”, realizing that only religion, and it alone, would make them the “masters” of a world so eternally ..... Hellas delighted, imitated ... Talmudia ... just thought Your friends, this project ... Well, religion, in their twists, could format this "new cradle" into "pioneers of the civilizational development of mankind" "... Here, here lies the rejection of the actions of the" God-chosen "for many, many centuries the rest of humanity-goyim, we are, after all, “goyim” ... Love them, read, fawn before them --- BUT NOT IN KREMLIN !!!!!!!!!! ..

[in tamil]

... however, MY PRESIDENT! Since I voted, nevertheless, for YOU, I have the right to speak out as I did here on the site .., and further :: KNEE BELOW YOU FOR SYRIA AND OUR ARMED FORCES !!! I think my ancestors will be with me regarding everything said here on the site ...

[in tamil]

... I will add to the above: neither the Pythagorean, Archimedes' theorems, the conquests of Alexander the Great for nascent Judaism were ANYTHING, NOTHING in comparison with the invention of the bicycle - neoreligion for ourselves and only in the name of ourselves ... And we are cashmere in the KREMLIN, IN THE BEDROOMS IVAN THE FOURTH ...

[in tamil]

... I will add to the above: neither the Pythagorean, Archimedes' theorems, the conquests of Alexander the Great for nascent Judaism were NOTHING, NOTHING in comparison with the invention of the bicycle - neoreligion for ourselves and only in the name of ourselves ... But we are a cashmere-cook in KREMLIN, IN THE CHAMBERS OF IVAN THE FOURTH ...

[Said]

Tired of scum. Play before the Holocaust 2.0

[ADT]

O rampant and the power of family madness! Two saids is power!

[Sergey-8848]

We have no relations with Jerusalem, neither good nor bad. Negotiations are conducted only with Tel Aviv.

[lopvlad]

C-300 no problem for the Israeli Air Force

what amazes me is the unshakable faith of the western man in the exclusivity of their weapons. They believe that all missiles reach their target, that stealth aircraft are really invisible able to overcome any layered air defense, the Iron Dome is the best air defense in the world that can protect against all and so you can list endlessly.
And then they are faced with a reality in which a large half of the launched “smart” missiles gets lost and some have a “mind” that fails and they stupidly fall to the ground without reaching anywhere, then the F-35 is a clumsy cow with one engine and any modern radar is able to detect it, the fact that the "Iron Dome" with massive shelling from one direction by artisanal cash registers misses almost half of these missiles.

There is advertising and PR of weapons, but there is a real war where any show-offs crumble after the first real combat clash.

[Mikhail Zubkov]

If someone threatens us, there will be a beat - and he himself knows. It will be necessary to deliver the S-300 to everyone who so far suffers Israeli military antics and sorties in their airspace, including Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon, and not just Syria and Iran. It's time to dispel these myths about the F-35 that has long been visible on our radars. Even the Americans recently admitted that it is visible even on Soviet radars, and on Russian ones - over long distances. This is a guarantee of defeat.

[I love Russia]

With 300 is unlikely to be in Syria! Because our Russian government seems to have "moved out"! What is said about silence during the attack on Syria, silence during the attacks of Jews on the same Syrians! WE RENT OUT! O-B-I-D-N-O !!! Critters !!! Vladimir Vladimirovich, we believed in YOU and still believe! Do not kill this faith in us! We suffered tiny salaries, poverty and the dominance of oligarchs! They said, de, Putin’s hand will reach them! But apparently not fate! And then the news .... Putin puts Kudrina instead of Medvedev! Survived, fuck! Like, he knows how to improve relations with the USA !!! Yes, we ALL know how to build relationships with them !!! Substitute them pop! Eh .... And we believed in you!