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On takeoff ... Su-30CM crashed in Syria

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In Syria, the Russian Su-30CM fighter crashed, the Defense Ministry reported.


On takeoff ... Su-30CM crashed in Syria


3 May around 9: 45 Moscow time while climbing after taking off from the Khmeimm airfield over the Mediterranean Sea crashed Russian fighter Su-30CM
- the report says.

Both pilots who fought for the plane until the last minutes, according to the report from the scene, died
- reported in the military

According to preliminary data, the fire on the plane did not open - a bird could get into the engine of the car.

The last major disaster of the Russian aircraft in Syria occurred in March. Then, when landing on the airfield Khmeymim crashed transport An-26. Onboard were 33 passengers and six crew members, they all died, according to RIA News
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 3 May 2018 11: 51
    +56
    Condolences to family and friends. ETERNAL MEMORY OF HEROES.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 3 May 2018 11: 52
      +46
      Condolences to loved ones!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 May 2018 11: 56
        +30
        Very strange - the pilots would catapult over the water.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 3 May 2018 12: 02
          +13
          They may have tried to splash down after taking the car away from residential buildings. Well, in the final detonation of suspended BC.
          1. BZTM
            BZTM 3 May 2018 12: 06
            +15
            If so, then this is only OUR are able-
            1. genisis
              genisis 3 May 2018 13: 36
              +5
              One of the pilots - Albert Davidyan
            2. igorka357
              igorka357 3 May 2018 14: 49
              +3
              I remember this song by heart, pilots road to heaven, relatives of condolences .. heroes!
          2. seti
            seti 3 May 2018 13: 51
            +2
            And now we are waiting for the scale of condolences for our pilots from the Americans. Is not it ? But I'm afraid we will not hear.
            1. Totah155
              Totah155 3 May 2018 14: 27
              +19
              Quote: seti
              And now we are waiting for the scale of condolences for our pilots from the Americans. Is not it ? But I'm afraid we will not hear.

              Why so.
              Pilots of any country, it is primarily PEOPLE.
              RIP

              ps Yesterday, when C130 fell, not many condolences expressed something.
            2. Wendigo
              Wendigo 3 May 2018 14: 31
              +12
              Quote: seti
              And now we are waiting for the scale of condolences for our pilots from the Americans. Is not it ? But I'm afraid we will not hear.

              But where does the Americans at all? Can you forget about them for even a minute? Or itching too much in 1 place?
              1. seti
                seti 3 May 2018 14: 59
                +2
                Yesterday, alas, you did not discuss a similar topic. Therefore, you are not in the know.
            3. 210ox
              210ox 3 May 2018 14: 36
              +7
              Yes, they went with their condolences. Even if they suddenly express ..
              Quote: seti
              And now we are waiting for the scale of condolences for our pilots from the Americans. Is not it ? But I'm afraid we will not hear.
              1. seti
                seti 3 May 2018 15: 00
                +1
                Here I am about the same. We have our grief with them yesterday.
                1. Wendigo
                  Wendigo 3 May 2018 15: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: seti
                  Here I am about the same. We have our grief with them yesterday.

                  You yourself are counter-theoretical
                  Quote: seti
                  And now we are waiting for the scale of condolences for our pilots from the Americans

                  Are you okay?
                  1. seti
                    seti 3 May 2018 20: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Wendigo
                    Quote: seti
                    Here I am about the same. We have our grief with them yesterday.

                    You yourself are counter-theoretical
                    Quote: seti
                    And now we are waiting for the scale of condolences for our pilots from the Americans

                    Are you okay?

                    You heard a ringing but did not understand what. Yesterday we discussed another topic about American pilots and my first comment on this topic. Who in the subject he understood what I mean. And you are not climbing into your conversation.
            4. Sodoh
              Sodoh 3 May 2018 14: 38
              +5
              Quote: seti
              We are waiting for the scale of condolences for our pilots
              And why would it? It would be necessary to rewrite the syllables of your "condolences."
            5. igorka357
              igorka357 3 May 2018 14: 50
              0
              Go to the English-language resources, you will be very surprised!
          3. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 3 May 2018 14: 40
            +5
            This is not the first time our guys are fighting like that, because of the notorious desire to save the car. It is necessary to drive in pilots so that in case of such situations they can eject or make it like on the Yak-38 - bailout in automatic mode!
            Damn this piece of iron, it's not worth it!
            After this, all the pilots want to give a hat so that there are no such thoughts!
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 3 May 2018 15: 13
              +2
              somewhere there was an assumption that they took them away from residential buildings, and then apparently just didn’t have time .. I don’t know how fair of course.
      2. Proxima
        Proxima 3 May 2018 12: 07
        +42
        The accident is more than strange. Why didn't the pilots eject? How can a bird fill up such a multifunctional aircraft? Apparently, the MO is not negotiating something!
        Eternal memory to the guys!
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 3 May 2018 12: 13
          +17
          Quote: Proxima
          Apparently, the MO is not negotiating something!


          Necessarily do not negotiate and VSIO lie. And only so are the intrigues of the investigation.
          Now, only such experts are at NAS, whose hands itch to make a surely clever statement.

          Where you climb at such a moment.
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 3 May 2018 12: 59
            +13
            You can’t argue with the wrong moment, but how they lie and how they tell the truth was seen in the incident with PMCs, from ichtamn up to 10-15 dead. So people have the right to doubt.
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              1. Nix1986
                Nix1986 3 May 2018 13: 37
                +4
                Dude, why are you, I'm finally on your side, I drown here for closing comments altogether laughing .
                1. Wild_grey_wolf
                  Wild_grey_wolf 3 May 2018 13: 41
                  +4
                  Without a clue which side you are on, I do not know you. I draw a conclusion from the written.
                  1. Nix1986
                    Nix1986 3 May 2018 13: 46
                    +9
                    Comments on that and comments that people express YOUR PERSONAL opinion, and if it does not bear insults or obscene words, it has the right to be, and you will indicate where people sit to the wife.
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            2. demo
              demo 4 May 2018 21: 57
              +1
              By the way.
              An investigation with Tu 154 is still underway.
              And what is there to investigate for so long?
              I foresee questions about my competence.
              I will answer.
              The wife’s uncle is the Main Register of Civil Aviation even under the USSR, and then in the Russian Federation.
              And how much time is needed to answer the main questions he explained to me.
              Under the USSR, he was at home from 365 days a year 10-15. The rest of the time he spent on business trips in the Union in the analysis of flight accidents.
              Our lies and do not blush.
        2. tomket
          tomket 3 May 2018 12: 25
          +21
          Quote: Proxima
          Why didn't the pilots eject? How can a bird fill up such a multifunctional aircraft?

          Birds of any plane can fill up, especially if a flock of crammed into engines. Pokryshkin flew into the flock of starlings, while his MiG-3 received severe damage. Kvochur in La Bourget ejected, because the MiG-29 caught surging because of the bird. In general, the Moscow Region assumes that, because it does not know the truths yet. But different conspiracy theorists already know everything. Deceive their poor! They harbor the truth! But you all know that. Right?
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 3 May 2018 12: 39
            +3
            Quote: tomket
            . But different conservologists already know everything. Deceive their poor! They harbor the truth! But you all know that. Right?

            As Socrates once said: “I know only one thing, I don’t know anything ". The bird is a hypothetical version (so in a hurry, to be safe). When such a disaster happens - it is always a coincidence (overlay) of several factors. I know that for sure. We will wait for a detailed investigation of the tragedy and you can believe me, in addition to the bird, there will still be other points.
            1. tomket
              tomket 3 May 2018 12: 46
              +8
              Quote: Proxima
              Bird is a guessing version.

              So MO said so. Ornithologists immediately came and claimed that the plane could not fall from the bird.
              1. Proxima
                Proxima 3 May 2018 13: 10
                +5
                Quote: tomket
                Ornithologists immediately came running and claimed that the plane could not fall from the bird.

                To fall is not a problem! Horseradish with this iron! The pilots could not catapult! This is a disaster !!! This is more than strange. If everything would be as simple as you write, then in world practice aerial combat would resemble a solid Engry Birds.
              2. Shahno
                Shahno 3 May 2018 13: 10
                +3
                Yes, they are birds ...
                My condolences...
            2. GSVG 86-88
              GSVG 86-88 3 May 2018 13: 06
              +6
              Unfortunately, it is very difficult to wait for the cause of the catastrophe from our Moscow Region; the board from Sochi is an example of this.
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          2. okko077
            okko077 3 May 2018 15: 42
            +4
            The version does not work with the bird, and with the flock of birds too .... There is a corresponding service at the permanent airfield, which is also used by locators including other systems for detecting and repelling birds. The plane took off without alarm, didn’t get out of attack - regular take-off with all permissions ... Well, even if the bird - that is, a very small interval during take-off, where the plane is vulnerable - but then the pilots would catapult, there are no options ... Here are the others the version suggests itself, judging by the actions of the pilots, and this is due to control, hence the attempts to correct the situation on the part of the pilots ....
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 3 May 2018 17: 10
              +2
              Again, engine 2 on Su.
        3. igorka357
          igorka357 3 May 2018 14: 51
          0
          SU-27, SU-30 .. can't fly with one engine .. it's a heavy fighter!
          1. okko077
            okko077 3 May 2018 15: 49
            0
            It’s hard to fly ... and you can try to fly up and board ....
            even on the SU-27 ....
      3. Ncplc
        Ncplc 3 May 2018 16: 05
        +2
        My condolences to the family of pilots.
    2. Dimontius
      Dimontius 3 May 2018 11: 55
      +25
      Guys, what a plane, life is more important !!! sorrow((((
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          1. alexhol
            alexhol 3 May 2018 12: 47
            +9
            Human life for the solution of geopolitical goals (quite dubious) is just statistics. When people die for their land - they are heroes. And here ... My condolences to their near and dear ones. It’s hard for them now. And then it will be doubly difficult: "we did not send them there."
            1. konstantin68
              konstantin68 3 May 2018 13: 43
              +10
              The officer is different from the engineer in that he can die protecting the interests of the homeland or following the order. Although, apparently, you are not familiar with this.
              Condolences to relatives and eternal memory of the fallen!
              1. alexhol
                alexhol 3 May 2018 14: 28
                +4
                No, I don’t understand this. Maybe I would understand if the Russian guys would guard the borders in Serbia, or in Transnistria, defend the interests of the motherland in Armenia or Kazakhstan. But what will the children of the dead answer? Why did their dad die? I am not a military officer. but I had to deal with representatives of the Arab world and believe it is another world. We are nobody for them.
                1. Serge Gorely
                  Serge Gorely 3 May 2018 14: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: alexhol
                  No, I don’t understand this. Maybe I would understand if the Russian guys would guard the borders in Serbia, or in Transnistria, defend the interests of the motherland in Armenia or Kazakhstan. But what will the children of the dead answer? Why did their dad die? I am not a military officer. but I had to deal with representatives of the Arab world and believe it is another world. We are nobody for them.

                  Yeah, exactly! American, French, English fighters die in the Middle East because of mutual love for Arabs ???
                  1. alexhol
                    alexhol 3 May 2018 15: 21
                    -1
                    Of course not. But at least in these conflicts children of high-ranking persons participated. And in Russia? And yes, of course, everyone is so talented,
                    that immediately directors of military factories. Sorry.
        2. Rumata-estorskii
          Rumata-estorskii 3 May 2018 12: 30
          +18
          The close man.
          1. Vasily Krylov
            Vasily Krylov 3 May 2018 12: 57
            +8
            To put it mildly.
          2. Semen1972
            Semen1972 3 May 2018 15: 42
            0
            Quote: Rumata-Estorskii
            The close man.

            Troll?
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 3 May 2018 14: 52
        +2
        The Russian pilot’s soul is like that, for him a fighting vehicle is his home .. she’s becoming native to him ... Of course we mourn !!!!
    3. dSK
      dSK 3 May 2018 11: 58
      +7
      Sincerely condolences to relatives and friends. hi
    4. bazzbazz
      bazzbazz 3 May 2018 12: 00
      +7
      Memory to the heroes! Patience to relatives!
      How many more such tragedies will happen ?! !!
      The main thing is not to get used to them!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 May 2018 12: 03
        +11
        Quote: bazzbazz
        How many more such tragedies will happen ?! !!

        As much as someone for us will decide with whom we are enemies. Hatred between peoples, states, religions is artificial.
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          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 3 May 2018 12: 15
            +25
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            "someone" kerosene "diluted donkey urine"?

            Sarcasm or humor is not appropriate here. What did these guys personally do to you, that you are sitting here and humor?
            1. tomket
              tomket 3 May 2018 12: 27
              +9
              Quote: NEXUS
              Sarcasm or humor is not appropriate here. What did these guys personally do to you, that you are sitting here and humor?

              Yes, the Sabbath by conspiracy theorists, deceived citizens and iksperds of ornithologists has already begun.
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 3 May 2018 13: 09
                +1
                Well, they, of course, are alarmists. Well, not very often the "birds" fall?
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            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 3 May 2018 12: 51
              +9
              Quote: Black Colonel
              Or maybe you messed up the sites?

              No ... He "purposefully" brought here his "diarrhea"!
          3. igorka357
            igorka357 3 May 2018 14: 53
            +1
            But what's the difference, how did you dilute your brain there?
        2. bazzbazz
          bazzbazz 3 May 2018 13: 35
          +4
          Artificial hatred, but the terrorists are real, their atrocities are brutal, the US benefits are real! Offer to lock up in the country and wait?
          1. Polina Dymerets
            Polina Dymerets 3 May 2018 17: 19
            0
            It is clear what benefit Iran, Russia, and specifically the United States on these ruins?
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        1. Vasily Krylov
          Vasily Krylov 3 May 2018 13: 02
          +13
          You are not a "falcon", you are a crow. Since cynicism is not appropriate here. I have the honor.
        2. anjey
          anjey 3 May 2018 13: 11
          +5
          we have fortitude, glory to the Russian pilots-heroes, who tried to save the plane to the last and not themselves, and your slavery of dough, greed, greed and betrayal-forever, you Rabinovich, so never take off above yourself, you creep forever in wealth shit and luxury, selling everyone and everything ....
        3. igorka357
          igorka357 3 May 2018 14: 55
          0
          We know such, even when normal people write condolences to American pilots, or some other ... you come out of bile ... it is in your head !!!!
    5. Maz
      Maz 3 May 2018 14: 22
      +2
      Very similar to testing a compact electron gun or laser. That an26 also somehow strangely left for 500 meters from the runway. Satellites would look ha moment of crash ...
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      2. Semen1972
        Semen1972 3 May 2018 15: 47
        0
        Quote: Maz
        Very similar to testing a compact electron gun or laser. That an26 also somehow strangely left for 500 meters from the runway. Satellites would look ha moment of crash ...

        Enemies are to blame to one degree or another.
    6. Wendigo
      Wendigo 3 May 2018 14: 26
      +10
      Quote: NEXUS
      Condolences to family and friends

      I feel sorry for the pilots!
      But you are embarrassed.
      Just in the topic below, most of them gloated gloomily over the death of a transporter in America, and here the bam plane died.
      Why am I saying this? in here
      Quote: NEXUS
      when, during the approach to the Khmeimim airfield, the transport An-26 crashed

      On the morning of that day, there was news of the death of US special forces somewhere in Africa, moreover, with a view from the helmet-mounted camera. Then the local urapatriots danced like that on bones ... in general, by noon, the news came about the death of our transporter with almost 40 dead ... I am not at all a supporter of mysticism, but maybe still hide our legendary "spirituality" wherever you go, so that before God does not scorch?
    7. Neksel
      Neksel 3 May 2018 18: 10
      +1
      Sorry for the pilots. This is the elite of troops in all countries. Condolences.
  2. Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin 3 May 2018 11: 51
    +6
    Everlasting memory...
    1. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 3 May 2018 12: 06
      +14
      I’ll fill the glass to the brim,
      And don't look surprised ...
      With friends in one gulp and without words,
      For those dead, winged ...
      For those who did not have time to take off,
      For those who burned in heaven
      For those in extreme binding,
      He risked himself ... but survived.
      For those who have a calm sky
      It led along the edge of fate ...
      Who was in flight or was not,
      At the edge of a dead void ...
      For those who know the smell of heaven
      And the taste of ozone in a thunderstorm,
      Phoebe's dashing favorites for you
      For the bronze of the sun on his face.
      And we will not trifle,
      Glass to the bottom and all things ...
      Those who have tasted heaven do not get drunk
      ........ bells sound in the shower.
  3. BZTM
    BZTM 3 May 2018 11: 51
    +14
    Roads to Heaven guys ............ Condolences to Rodney .........
  4. sleeve
    sleeve 3 May 2018 11: 51
    +7
    everlasting memory...
  5. friend of animals
    friend of animals 3 May 2018 11: 52
    +14
    Why didn’t catapult, the main question. A new airplane can be built.
    1. impostor
      impostor 3 May 2018 11: 55
      +4
      Especially flew over the water area, there were no houses under them ...
    2. freddyk
      freddyk 3 May 2018 14: 24
      +2
      Quote: friend of animals
      Why didn’t catapult, the main question. A new airplane can be built.

      More recently, respected people argued here at VO about a cadet. Reward or punish. The position of the instructors was for severe punishment for not following the instructions. Most were against them. And life, unfortunately, proved who was right. None of the most expensive iron is worth the lives of our people. And they saved the plane to the last. It’s clear, upbringing. It is necessary to eradicate such education. Not living at the time
  6. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 3 May 2018 11: 53
    +1
    Condolences, they say flew low because the catapult did not help ...
    1. urik62
      urik62 3 May 2018 11: 59
      +21
      Yes, it seems even from the ground you can catapult.
      1. novel66
        novel66 3 May 2018 12: 11
        +2
        and there is . catapults class 0-0
    2. prapor75m
      prapor75m 3 May 2018 12: 00
      +6
      Well, how low it is, in France, when the MiG -29 practically from takeoff .....
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 May 2018 12: 10
        +17
        Here on the video from the MiG-29 - clearly. One engine failed.
        As for the pilots of the Su-30 - my condolences.
    3. figwam
      figwam 3 May 2018 12: 02
      +2
      Quote: Incvizitor
      Condolences, they say flew low because the catapult did not help ...

      You can eject from the ground.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 3 May 2018 12: 33
        0
        “On May 3, at about 9:45 Moscow time, when climbing from a Khmeimim airfield over the Mediterranean Sea, a Russian Su-30SM fighter crashed,” the report said.

        According to preliminary data, the cause of the crash could be a bird falling into the engine.


        If the bird hit and low.
      2. Flyer_64
        Flyer_64 3 May 2018 12: 38
        0
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Condolences, they say flew low because the catapult did not help ...

        You can eject from the ground.

        There are restrictions on the roll during bailout.
      3. AIR
        AIR 3 May 2018 13: 37
        +3
        Catapult K-36. Saves from the earth. But if the bailout does not occur in horizontal flight, but with a vertical speed down, then there is already a formula that states that the vertical speed must be multiplied by 4, for the first crew member, and by 5 for the second. And that we have, if the plane is reduced at a vertical speed of 20 meters per second, we multiply by a minimum of 4 (20X4 = 80 meters). And for the first and even more than 100 meters min, the height of the bailout. If the plane moves without a vertical component, then the formula works 0 meters (i.e. when taking off from the runway). Plus, there are restrictions on the roll at the time of bailout. The greater the roll, the less chance of survival.
        1. Filxnumx
          Filxnumx 3 May 2018 19: 19
          0
          You give empirical calculations, for KT-1M, probably. The K-36 chair allows you to eject even from an inverted position, but here the height margin is very critical: at least 150 meters for single-seat aircraft, if my sclerosis does not fail me. For multi-seat aircraft, taking into account a delay of 0,2 - 0,5 seconds and the likely presence of a vertical component of the flight speed, the height of safe escape during ejection should be, respectively, greater.
          1. AIR
            AIR 5 May 2018 21: 54
            +1
            I did not give empirical calculations, but the K-36 instruction manual. Most likely, your sclerosis just does not change. About inverted flight - this is another part of the limitation. I didn’t mean it at all when writing the text.
    4. 11 black
      11 black 3 May 2018 12: 25
      +1
      Quote: Incvizitor
      Condolences, they say flew low because the catapult did not help ...

      Impossible - his catapult saves even from zero altitude. And could he have collapsed due to the failure of one of the engines? It’s clear that the matter is dark ...

      Sorry for the pilots - they rest in peace, they left the heroes - please do not put the pluses.
    5. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 3 May 2018 12: 37
      0
      Quote: Incvizitor
      Condolences, they say flew low because the catapult did not help.

      And who says?
  7. urik62
    urik62 3 May 2018 11: 54
    +12
    And on this engine SU-30 does not fly? I don’t understand anything, I just need a bird and there is no plane and both pilots ???
    1. figwam
      figwam 3 May 2018 12: 04
      +4
      Quote: urik62
      And on this engine SU-30 does not fly? I don’t understand anything, I just need a bird and there is no plane and both pilots ???

      Flies calmly. In this case, either fell into the flock with the loss of two engines, or the bird fell into the cockpit lantern, which killed the pilots.
      Yesterday, the same thing for the Americans is unclear why it fell.
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 3 May 2018 12: 17
        +3
        Quote: figvam
        or a bird fell into the cockpit lantern, which killed the pilots.

        At take-off speed hit the flashlight and killed the pilots? IMHO tales.
        1. figwam
          figwam 3 May 2018 12: 40
          +2
          A goose carcass with fragments of a windshield in the face at a speed of 300-400 km / h and a person is unconscious.
        2. NN52
          NN52 3 May 2018 12: 41
          +3
          DenZ
          One can only assume that the forum member did ...
          Look at the photo from the recent topic here about the cadet’s accident on L 39 ... And look at the damage to the flashlight from a bird on L 39, the cadet was very lucky from the fragments of the flashlight ...
          And then you will talk about fairy tales ...
          Once again my condolences to the families ...
          1. Ncplc
            Ncplc 3 May 2018 16: 15
            +1
            NN52 you seem to be a pilot, then why do you compare the polycarbonate of the cockpit L ki and the SU bulletproof glass even on 21 windshield was 80 mm, if my memory serves me right, but on the SU it is not?
            1. NN52
              NN52 3 May 2018 16: 44
              +3
              Ncplc
              As far as I know, 30 cm is the usual organic glazing .. You look at the cockpit lantern, on any photo in the internet, and you will understand ... And you do not need to compare it with MiG 21, with its bulletproof glass ...
              Silicate glazing has only recently begun to be applied, but it is not bulletproof glass ..
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 3 May 2018 12: 17
        +4
        My condolences to family and friends. Fell off the coast, must raise, find out. One was supposed to eject, apparently did not want to leave the commander ....
        1. Vasily Krylov
          Vasily Krylov 3 May 2018 13: 10
          +1
          This is a spiritual component. Please do not confuse it with the spiritual.
      3. vargo
        vargo 3 May 2018 12: 38
        +1
        Well, judging by the video (of a US plane), they sat down at too low a speed, then the sensation of a strong wind flow and it is clear that the nose was slightly pulled up, then at this speed he naturally began to roll with his nose down and trying to level the car gaining speed on the engines they even tried to level it, but it was already too low, the plane spun again and it was already without a chance ...

        In our case, a little yes, it is not clear why they did not catapult. They took away from the buildings clearly, but as far as the last pull ... maybe they too hoped for more or less smooth splashdown. However, see what mushroom, it’s rather not splashing down or even falling into the water, it looks like an explosion (detonation) close to the water line. That is, it is likely that the BC detonated. They simply did not have time to eject.
        Sorry guys! And ordinary pilots will not be trusted with such a bird, so they were probably very good specialists too!
    2. tomket
      tomket 3 May 2018 12: 31
      +1
      Quote: urik62
      And on this engine SU-30 does not fly? I don’t understand anything, I just need a bird and there is no plane and both pilots ???

      It depends on what weight. On take-off at full refueling and ammunition could not pull.
  8. Vard
    Vard 3 May 2018 11: 54
    +2
    My condolences. About the bird ... there seem to be two engines ...
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 3 May 2018 12: 12
      +4
      Not a specialist in the subject, but there, like blades, fly so fast that it could hurt the second.
  9. Egorovich
    Egorovich 3 May 2018 11: 54
    +8
    May the earth be easier for them to fluff. I offer my condolences to the relatives and friends of our pilots.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 3 May 2018 11: 57
      +9
      I join ... sad
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 3 May 2018 11: 59
        +8
        They flew away, and did not return ...
        1. NN52
          NN52 3 May 2018 12: 33
          +6
          We will remember ... My condolences to the families and relatives of the guys ....
  10. kenig1
    kenig1 3 May 2018 11: 54
    +7
    Why didn’t they catapult, they saw that they were falling into the sea, the plane could not be saved. The Kingdom of heaven.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2018 11: 59
      +2
      Could encounter a drone - but it is, an assumption.
  11. New Year day
    New Year day 3 May 2018 11: 55
    +8
    what the hell? Again the victims! Condolences to Families
    1. Vasily Krylov
      Vasily Krylov 3 May 2018 13: 19
      +2
      Dear, I cannot judge your age and knowledge, but let me remind you of the law of large numbers, i.e. e. nothing happens where nothing happens. I have the honor.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 3 May 2018 16: 12
        +2
        this is certainly true, but I would really like it without mourning events. Let's look at the results of the investigation, what happened there, then you can philosophize about the law of large numbers
  12. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 3 May 2018 11: 55
    +28
    The land rest in peace, brothers, did holy things, condolences to wives and families.
  13. prapor75m
    prapor75m 3 May 2018 11: 55
    +19
    they wrote they tried to save the plane, but to hell with this iron, the guys had to bail out .... (of course it’s easy to broadcast from the sofa), but damn ... it’s bad at heart ....
    1. Vasily Krylov
      Vasily Krylov 3 May 2018 13: 21
      +2
      Thank you.
  14. Grandfather Mozai
    Grandfather Mozai 3 May 2018 11: 56
    +6
    Big loss, mourn ..
    ps Still need an automatic bailout system ..
    1. figwam
      figwam 3 May 2018 12: 16
      +3
      Quote: Grandfather Mozai
      ps Still need an automatic bailout system ..

      This will not help.
  15. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 3 May 2018 11: 57
    +6
    Eternal memory to the heroes! And why didn’t they catapult ... yes, it’s probably in the blood of our pilots to fight for the car until the very end ... and the seats in the dryers and other airplanes are such that they allow shooting and saving pilots practically from the ground, there are many examples ... Once again Eternal memory, beautiful pilots arrived in the heavenly regiment!
    1. Fisher martin
      Fisher martin 3 May 2018 12: 03
      +4
      Yes, everything is simple - they took the plane away from the houses.
  16. Turgon
    Turgon 3 May 2018 12: 00
    +2
    Depreciation of military equipment, technicians need to be suspended by the genitals.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2018 12: 06
      +2
      This plane is new.
      1. Turgon
        Turgon 3 May 2018 12: 36
        +1
        This does not preclude increased maintenance of equipment due to its peak daily congestion.
        1. kit88
          kit88 3 May 2018 14: 19
          +3
          Respected king of gandolin. In aviation, there is no such thing as advanced maintenance of equipment. What are you going to raise? Rewrit NIAO, RTE?
    2. kit88
      kit88 3 May 2018 13: 36
      +7
      technicians need to be suspended by the genitals.

      You, dear, moderate your ardor. No matter how technicians you are suspended from the genitals.
      Or do you have information that someone did not complete a routing or a list of control operations?
  17. Abram
    Abram 3 May 2018 12: 00
    +24
    very sorry. some were angry yesterday because of the collapse of American Hercules, perhaps this is your malice, and it flew over a boomerang. Do not rejoice in the grief of others hi
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 3 May 2018 12: 26
      +6
      No one was angry and was not happy. They simply did not express sympathy. These are different things.
      1. Abram
        Abram 3 May 2018 12: 38
        +3
        I don’t know what is the norm for you, it means "I didn’t malice and did not rejoice." for me, some commentators have clearly crossed the line. For example, I do not want to pull phrases from there and pollute them with this topic.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 3 May 2018 12: 47
          +5
          Personally, I didn’t comment on that article yesterday, because I’m absolutely on the drum, for, it’s not we who are rattling weapons at their borders somewhere in Mexico, but they are near ours in the Baltic states when their faces are visible through binoculars! The second one. Provocateurs have always had enough, especially before the war.
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 May 2018 12: 47
          +8
          Quote: Abram
          For example, I do not want to pull phrases from there and pollute them with this topic.

          However, you are already polluting.
          1. Abram
            Abram 3 May 2018 13: 12
            +2
            Are you an ecologist? From the Green Party? or maybe a morale police? winked they’d better follow the mud in Chelyabinsk, they say the environment is lame on all four legs winked
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 May 2018 13: 46
              +6
              Quote: Abram
              Are you an ecologist? From the Green Party? or maybe a morale police?

              Just a normal and sane person who understands the boundaries of the pertinent. Which are obviously unfamiliar to you.
  18. Vladimir
    Vladimir 3 May 2018 12: 01
    +8
    I am so sorry for my family and friends. Why didn’t we catapult? - Yes, God probably knows this “why.”
  19. Bronevick
    Bronevick 3 May 2018 12: 02
    +2
    The trouble is all Russian technology in the low level of automation. May the souls of the fallen wars find peace. Condolences to the families of the victims.
    1. figwam
      figwam 3 May 2018 12: 17
      +12
      Quote: Bronevick
      The trouble is all Russian technology in the low level of automation.

      Stop writing nonsense!
      1. Bronevick
        Bronevick 3 May 2018 12: 20
        0
        More in detail what is nonsense? At what point did I lie?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 May 2018 12: 46
          +12
          Quote: Bronevick
          At what point did I lie?

          The low level of automation, which has been very high since the time of Soviet technology, is quite often higher than the United States. In general, try to find the remnants of conscience and not discuss the domestic technology in the subject of the death of our military
          1. Bronevick
            Bronevick 3 May 2018 13: 05
            0
            Find at least a drop of the human mind and think about why this happened. Here we are discussing the reasons why this happened, but we cannot possibly influence how this would not happen anymore. If you are talking about a high level of automation, then what kind of dog on the plane do two pilots? Answer the simple elementary question, what the hell in a 4+ generation airplane in 2018, in a real war, two pilots do?
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 May 2018 13: 19
              +7
              Quote: Bronevick
              Find at least a drop of the human mind and think about why this happened.

              That is, no remnants of conscience were found. I'm not surprised
              Quote: Bronevick
              If you are talking about a high level of automation, then what kind of dog on the plane do two pilots? Answer the simple elementary question, what the hell are two pilots doing on a real war in an 4 + generation aircraft in the 2018 year?

              Absolutely the same thing that two pilots of the Boeing F-15SE Silent Eagle, who made the first flight in the 2010 year, do. One focuses on piloting, the second on the use of weapons. In general, I do not know why you recall the human mind if:
              1) You do not know that the 2 of a person on a relatively heavy combat aircraft, which has wide functionality for working on the ground, is an urgent need and is in no way associated with a lack of automation.
              2) You believe that the mythical lack of automation is somehow related to the crew rescue system or the death of the Su-30
              1. Bronevick
                Bronevick 3 May 2018 14: 30
                +1
                You do not just have to hide behind your conscience, how convenient it is. They’ll kill a man on the street, but let’s not talk about him because we have a conscience, well, as it turned out in your opinion, I didn’t have it.
                F-15SE Silent Eagle, what kind of aircraft is this, do you even know it yourself? This plane is not even in service with any country. This is an experimental machine that is designed for export to developing countries that do not have money for training and military aircraft, and whether it will be in question at all. He was not in the United States Air Force and never will be. Su-30 on the ground? Than? FABAMI or what? And what the hell then buy the SU-34 in which the functions of a bomber were originally laid down? Do not forget to mention that the Su-30SM is multifunctional. Automation and rescue system are not connected? That is, the self-diagnosis of the aircraft should not give pilots recommendations for ejection?

                Please tell me which device is responsible for the high level of automation on the Su-30SM
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 May 2018 14: 53
                  +6
                  Quote: Bronevick
                  You do not just have to hide behind your conscience, how convenient it is.

                  The word "convenient" is completely unacceptable here, but I will tell you a place in which it would be appropriate. So - if you had this same conscience, then you would simply write an article about the low automation of Russian aircraft and the accident it caused. But this is inconvenient for you, because it takes time and effort. But it’s much more convenient for you to talk about the imperfection of domestic equipment (purely imaginary) in a topic where people kindly remember the pilots who died in the performance of their military duty, and that it is completely inappropriate in this topic - you do not care. You put your convenience much higher.
                  In this context, the word "conveniently", without a doubt, makes sense
                  Quote: Bronevick
                  F-15SE Silent Eagle, what kind of aircraft is this, do you even know it yourself?

                  I - I know, but you obviously do not. To begin with, this aircraft is considered not even 4 +, but 4 ++.
                  Quote: Bronevick
                  This is an experimental machine that is designed for export to developing countries that do not have money for training and combat aircraft,

                  Yeah, such as Israel and Saudi Arabia. But in general, the pearl that double-seaters is for countries that do not have money to buy training - you need to remember this :)))) Listen, does that mean a word for you - a calculator? :))) Do you even understand , what will the cost of a combat aircraft resource cost when using it for training purposes?
                  Quote: Bronevick
                  He was not in the United States Air Force and never will be.

                  In the US Air Force there were and still are double F-15E :))))
                  Quote: Bronevick
                  Su-xnumx on earth? Than? FABAMI or what?

                  Didn’t you try to learn the materiel? :) At least at the level of what you planned to put on Su, what you put, what failed and why?
                  Quote: Bronevick
                  Automation and rescue system are not connected? That is, the self-diagnosis of the aircraft should not give pilots recommendations for ejection?

                  That is, if you undertake to discuss the topic of bailout automation and don’t know that a similar system of the USSR was implemented in the Yak-38 ... What then do you know at all?
                  1. Bronevick
                    Bronevick 3 May 2018 15: 47
                    +1
                    I don’t even want to discuss the first part. About conscience, how unscrupulous I am, I am discussing the loss of life. I probably offended these pilots somewhere, apparently said that they needed it. Well, I already understood your intentions.
                    F-15SE- how interestingly did Israel, Saudi Arabia buy them? Right, zero. Yes, on Wikipedia, where did you get the information from, something is written about it. But this apparently was written before the aggressive promotion of f-35. Why do they need a plane with a reduced epr of the previous generation, when they buy f-35, they just have a lot of cheaper planes, and the usual f-15 and f-16 and f / a-18. The Saudis are negotiating the purchase of the f-35. The cost of maintaining training and combat aircraft in one fleet is much cheaper than using a combat aircraft for training purposes, simply because at least the number of aircraft is reduced. Training aircraft should be used to instill primary piloting skills. Of course, the US Air Force has an F-15. do not throw away. The materiel taught, except for the fab, that there is nothing on earth that they wanted to do, so I'm sorry I also want a lot, during the war we would have said the same, but it didn’t work. Well, what about the Yak-38, tell me, I’ll listen, and why then what was on the Yak-38 is not on the Su-30?
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 May 2018 17: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Bronevick
                      I don’t even want to discuss the first part.

                      I'm not surprised.
                      Quote: Bronevick
                      F-15SE- how interestingly did Israel, Saudi Arabia buy them? Right zero

                      Wrong, because Saudi Arabia bought 84 of these aircraft in the SA version, and the first of them were delivered back in December 2016 :)
                      Quote: Bronevick
                      Yes, on Wikipedia, where did you get the information from

                      Is this a combination of letters for you - does bmpd say anything? :)))
                      Quote: Bronevick
                      Well, what about the Yak-38, tell me, I’ll listen

                      There - exactly what, in your opinion, is not in domestic aircraft, that is, an auto-bailout system in case of a critical violation of flight modes.
                      Quote: Bronevick
                      and why then what was on the Yak-38 is not on the Su-30?

                      And who said no? Here are just such systems in certain circumstances can be disabled by pilots.
  20. Kaskad
    Kaskad 3 May 2018 12: 02
    +1
    Well here begins .. My condolences!
  21. K-50
    K-50 3 May 2018 12: 02
    +7
    Both pilots fighting until the last minutes for the plane died

    Xren with her with a piece of iron, guys !! It was necessary to jump. They will still make iron, and the country needs you alive.
    Good night to you, heroes. soldier
  22. kakvastam
    kakvastam 3 May 2018 12: 03
    +3
    Strange.

    As far as I remember, there is 0-0-0, that is, you can eject from the parking lot.

    Rest in peace.
  23. cedar
    cedar 3 May 2018 12: 05
    +7
    The "black" box will clarify the cause of the death of our pilots, God rest their souls in your kingdom.
    1. Bronevick
      Bronevick 3 May 2018 12: 08
      +6
      The plane is military, therefore, if it clarifies something, it is not for us.
      1. cedar
        cedar 3 May 2018 12: 13
        +4
        And we should not know. The main thing is to find the cause and eliminate it, so that this does not happen again ...
        1. Bronevick
          Bronevick 3 May 2018 12: 18
          +1
          But this repeats itself again and again.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 3 May 2018 15: 13
            +1
            Quote: Bronevick
            But this repeats itself again and again.

            And now what?
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  25. iouris
    iouris 3 May 2018 12: 06
    +3
    Condolences to relatives and colleagues.
    It’s too early to speculate about the reasons - the investigation has not even begun.
    Speaking of birds: it does not seem that twin-engine fighters are safer than single-engine fighters (purely intuitively). Apparently, something needs to be financed and done in priority order.
  26. keeper03
    keeper03 3 May 2018 12: 07
    +8
    Eh guys, so how so?!? crying Fuck him with the plane, well why didn’t they save lives ?! recourse
    I condole with the relatives of the victims !!!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2018 12: 12
      +1
      Moreover, they could catapult even 10 meters above the water.
  27. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 May 2018 12: 08
    +5
    Bitterness and inner tension are the result of such disasters. I join in condolences.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2018 14: 15
      0
      Internal stresses are breaking.
  28. poplar in Kiev
    poplar in Kiev 3 May 2018 12: 08
    0
    But for all the time of the operation, the losses are quite decent. And airplanes and helicopters. Reduced the number of cars, and the remaining huge load. The technique does not stand up.
  29. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 May 2018 12: 09
    +14
    Tragedy. Pain in the heart, and no words. My deepest condolences to family and friends.
    Seventh Commandment:
    "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God."

    And the fallen fought precisely so that peace reigned in the tormented land of Syria
    1. Vasily Krylov
      Vasily Krylov 3 May 2018 13: 25
      +2
      Yes, and again, YES.
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      1. 11 black
        11 black 3 May 2018 15: 16
        +2
        Quote: Sodoh
        You are mistaken, the fallen fought precisely for the fact that the Sunnis did not conduct their gas and oil pipelines.

        Our goal is to save Syria.
        Yours is to destroy.
        So who would talk about oil ... we don’t kill people for dollars like you (Americans) and we are trying to save Syria in the first place in order to create a barrier to the ISIS, not to allow the plague (by the way, created by you), to crawl to Russia.
        So our guys there are peacekeepers and this is a fact.
        1. Sodoh
          Sodoh 3 May 2018 15: 23
          0
          Quote: 11 black
          So who would say

          It is your business to keep your oligarchs a place in Courchevel.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 3 May 2018 18: 17
            0
            Quote: Sodoh
            Your business is to keep your oligarchs a place in Courchevel

            Why did you remember the oligarchs - there is nothing to answer on the topic? You better worry about your oligarch - president ..
        2. sabotage
          sabotage 3 May 2018 16: 45
          0
          Quote: 11 black
          Our goal is to save Syria.

          Yeah, therefore, the fate of Syria is decided by Iran, Turkey and Russia, and without representatives of Syria. This is what is called occupation and the division of zones of influence.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 3 May 2018 18: 13
            0
            Quote: sabotage
            yeah, so the fate of Syria is decided by Iran, Turkey and Russia, and without representatives of Syria. This is what is called occupation and the division of zones of influence.

            Do not give your fantasies to the truth - we began our operation in the SAR at the request of the Syrians and against terrorists - this is a fact.
            And on what basis is Turkey and the United States there, I do not know ...
            1. sabotage
              sabotage 3 May 2018 22: 00
              0
              tripartite summit on the Syrian settlement. In this format, the leaders of Russia, Turkey and Iran first met on November 22, 2017 in Sochi.


              RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/spravka/20180404/1517809812.html

              Are these my fantasies? You can call this event as you like, but the fact that the Syrian government itself is based on foreign bayonets is undeniable. Moreover, it holds so tightly that no one even considers it.

      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 May 2018 17: 19
        0
        Quote: Sodoh
        You are mistaken, the fallen fought precisely for the fact that the Sunnis did not conduct their gas and oil pipelines.

        I would laugh at such illiteracy in matters of gas and oil ... but in today's context this is not funny
  30. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 May 2018 12: 14
    +1
    The sad news.
    Rest in peace.
    This business is dangerous - military aviation.
  31. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 3 May 2018 12: 15
    +7
    "May their heaven accept the angelic regiment."
    Eternal memory to the heroes.
    You are the real Sons of your Fatherland.
  32. quote
    quote 3 May 2018 12: 16
    +5
    Everlasting memory.
  33. SOF
    SOF 3 May 2018 12: 18
    +2
    .... the kingdom of heaven ....
  34. Olezhek
    Olezhek 3 May 2018 12: 19
    +1
    Both pilots who fought for the plane until the last minutes


    ?
  35. Merold
    Merold 3 May 2018 12: 21
    +2
    And someone has full pants of joy.

    Why didn’t they catapult, here’s the question?
    Rest in peace.
    1. impostor
      impostor 3 May 2018 12: 29
      +2
      He laughs well who laughs at the right time and in the right place. You will miss a little - either you will make an enemy, or you will pass for a fool. And also the one whose teeth remain intact
  36. Guru
    Guru 3 May 2018 12: 23
    +2
    Everlasting memory.
  37. Leonid60
    Leonid60 3 May 2018 12: 25
    0
    All the media write that the pilots ejected ...! ??
    1. Merold
      Merold 3 May 2018 12: 40
      +1
      Quote: Leonid60
      All the media write that the pilots ejected ...! ??

      What media write about this?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 3 May 2018 12: 52
        +2
        Andrei, of course, would love for the rumors of death to be premature. Will wait.
        1. Merold
          Merold 3 May 2018 13: 24
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          Andrei, of course, would love for the rumors of death to be premature. Will wait.

          Yes, all the media write that the pilots died. Why do people give unrealistic hope?
  38. Labrador
    Labrador 3 May 2018 12: 27
    +1
    My condolences to relatives.
  39. Dmitry Voronov
    Dmitry Voronov 3 May 2018 12: 28
    +2
    Let the earth rest in peace. Eternal Glory to the Heroes.
  40. klm-57
    klm-57 3 May 2018 12: 29
    +1
    Good memory to pilots trying to save the car. They acted like men.
  41. Orkraider
    Orkraider 3 May 2018 12: 35
    +1
    Everlasting memory. They fulfilled their duty and left, we will not discuss, just a minute we will be silent.
  42. faiver
    faiver 3 May 2018 12: 36
    +2
    land to them rest in peace
  43. zarechnyi sokol
    zarechnyi sokol 3 May 2018 12: 45
    0
    as a rule, such catastrophes happen only through the fault of aviation technicians doing their work through the sleeves! .. I once witnessed a helicopter crash in which the rotor blades flew off in flight ... and although it flew at a height of no more than 100 meters when it fell, it exploded and the pilots burned in the fire!
    1. Salomet
      Salomet 3 May 2018 13: 13
      +3
      And that took off from the BC turned around the sea to climb, caught a seagull, Assessed the damage, decided to go on emergency, then a couple more failures, they have neither height, nor speed, nor time to make decisions.
      Flying with BC is generally an unpleasant thing. You can’t even fall near the shore.
      It is interesting if you were sailing on a ship and the curtain caught fire, would you jump overboard right away?
      If the MO confirms that the pilots died, I will write about condolences. The hope is still alive that it is the "journalists" who have worked out. Better to wait for official information.
  44. jaroff
    jaroff 3 May 2018 12: 47
    +2
    As before, I repeat, it makes no sense to discuss the disaster, to guess, etc. without conclusions of the commission. For pilots, the kingdom of heaven. Native condolences. The trouble came to the family.
  45. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 3 May 2018 12: 51
    +2
    I don’t understand why this heroic fight for the plane is necessary, as a result, the pilots die. For a long time, all pilots need to make a hard suggestion - bailout without options, and those who heroically save the plane - to dismiss, so that it would be disagreeable to others. I also understand when the plane is taken away from residential areas, but here above the water, why? Better 10 planes crash than 1 pilot dies.
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    2. Chill xnumx
      Chill xnumx 3 May 2018 13: 51
      +1
      Because it is Russian. So genetically laid in them, stand to the end. As Vladimir Vladimirovich once said, "They (Western countries) do not have such, and will not." Good memory to the guys.
      1. stoqn477
        stoqn477 3 May 2018 19: 38
        0
        You will buy a new plane. Will pilots buy? What about their families?
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  47. meandr51
    meandr51 3 May 2018 12: 52
    0
    Sorry for the pilots, it would be better if they did not try to save this piece of duralumin ... I think the investigation will be very difficult: after the explosion, the wreckage scattered along the bottom.
  48. screw cutter
    screw cutter 3 May 2018 12: 52
    +2
    Flyers land rest in peace. Condolences to relatives and friends ....
  49. kaschey
    kaschey 3 May 2018 12: 54
    +2
    "a bird could get into the engine of the car"
    If something is there two engines.
    Very strange, the two pilots did not catapult.
    Sorry, very sorry for the pilots, eternal memory.
  50. Maximys
    Maximys 3 May 2018 12: 54
    +1
    Condolences to the families of the victims. Technical malfunction, human factor, other reasons. Now it’s not so important. You must understand that the war zone, the place where the maximum forces of the opposing parties are concentrated, is in Everything. And sacrifices are inevitable here. It remains to wish that the families of officers provide all the necessary assistance. People need to be taken care of while they are alive.
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      1. sabakina
        sabakina 3 May 2018 13: 21
        +2
        Tell me, enemy, what have you forgotten here?
        Quote: Sodoh
        Quote: Maximys
        It remains to wish the families of officers to provide all necessary assistance
        Well, Assad will help them.
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          1. 11 black
            11 black 3 May 2018 16: 06
            +1
            I'm just wondering - when the American killers die - what are they hoping for?
            So ours were warriors of light - the Lord will not forget about them. And you, the Americans, with your state terrorism after death will not be laughing.
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              1. 11 black
                11 black 3 May 2018 17: 57
                0
                Quote: Sodoh
                We look at your country and look at America, we immediately understand everything. And you do not hope it does not help.

                America is not a country, but a continent, with geography, I see most Americans ... what do you understand there? - do not share?