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Heinrich Lyushkov. The man who cheated the fate of seven years

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“Some nobleman rushed to the feet of a slave. He said that he had met Death at the bazaar, which threatened him with a finger, and begged the lord to give him a horse. The slave decided to escape from Death by fleeing to the city of Samarra. The grandee presented a slave with a horse, and he sped off, and the next day he went to the market and, meeting Death, asked: "Why did you scare my slave? Why did you threaten him with your finger?" “I didn’t scare him,” Death replied. “I was just very surprised to meet him in this city, because that evening I was to meet him in Samarra.”
(R.Shekli. "Mind exchange")


“Whoever is among the living, there is still hope, for a living dog is better than a dead lion.”
(Ecclesiastes Book 9, v. 4)


Everything was like a banal spy novel. Night, the border and the Soviet officer with the rank of lieutenant-general, said accompanying him to the head of the frontier guard, that he was going to meet with an important agent. So, on the night of 14 June 1938 of the year, a person transferred to the “other side” across the Soviet-Manchurian border invested with the special trust of the party, the government, and personally Comrade Stalin, 3 rank state security commissioner Heinrich Lyushkov. Well, and being among the former enemies, he immediately asked them for political asylum and began to actively cooperate with Japanese intelligence. AT stories of the Soviet special services, he turned out to be the only traitor of such a rank — as did the lieutenant-general of the NKVD.

Heinrich Lyushkov. The man who cheated the fate of seven years

Heinrich Lyushkov


Not so long ago, several articles appeared on the VO website about shot Soviet commanders - Blyukher, Rychagove, Dybenko. And here, that cannot but be evident. They were all so stupid or blinded ... it is not clear what, as if they had not seen what was happening around them. They hoped for something ... And at first they themselves sat in the firing courts, and then they faced the same prosecutors, but only as defendants. Obviously, they believed that they would not touch them ...

But ... there were those who at least shot, not waiting for torture in the basements. True enough. Even fewer were those who dared to escape and even fewer those who succeeded. That is why the more interesting is the fate of one of the "most faithful" - Lieutenant-General of the NKVD, Heinrich Lyushkov.

The son of a Jewish cutter ...

One cannot even recall how many Jews came to the workers 'and peasants' revolution in Russia. In it, they rightly saw the opportunity to make a career. And right! Why was it not to take advantage of the opportunities? So Samuel Liushkov, a cutter’s son from Odessa, named Heinrich (born in 1900) graduated from college, but didn’t go to tailors, but got a job as a salesman in a store where they sold spare parts for cars - he realized that the future was for them business to be closer. As in the case of V.I. Lenin, was at the young Heinrich and older brother-revolutionary. And from him, he picked up "new ideas", engaged in underground work with him, and then in 17 years he joined the RSDLP. And as soon as the “revolution” took place, the young party member was at work in the Cheka. And then the “social elevator” carried him higher and higher, because as a person he was literate, loyal and executive.

Therefore, it is hardly necessary to be surprised that already in 19 years he became the Commissioner of the 14-th Separate Shock Army. In 20 for years, he was already the deputy head of the Cheka in Tiraspol, and in 1924, he became the head of the secret-political department in the central republican office of the GPU in Kharkov. There he worked for seven years and, apparently, did so well with his duties, that he was taken to Moscow, where he began to conduct the loudest political affairs of that time at the OGPU under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR.

More than a successful career ...

In Stalin's USSR, many people were knocked out, what is called “out of the mud, and into riches”, became commanders, famous pilots ... So Lyushkov went upstairs very quickly along the career ladder. By 1937, his efforts had already repressed so many people that for these "merits" he was given the Order of Lenin. He was part of the notorious extrajudicial "triples", when three people, who usually did not have any legal education, literally for one minute, and in absentia and without any lawyers, condemned people, looking only at the materials of the case that they represented Im NKVD authorities. Minimum time, minimum interest in the fate of a person. The main thing was a plan lowered to one area or another from above, and then also the desire to over-fulfill it! Planning - it was generally the basis of Soviet society in everything ...

And Heinrich Lyushkov, as the faithful son of the party and the working people, proved himself so well in this field that Stalin himself noticed him and even invited him to the Kremlin, and had a whole conversation with him for 15 minutes. And, apparently, Lyushkov comrade Stalin liked, he knew how, so to speak, “select personnel”, because, as he did after this conversation, he headed the NKVD throughout the Far East. It is clear that an energetic man was needed there, capable of most ruthlessly destroying the kulaks, the priests, all sorts of former White Guards, and at the same time the criminals, and, of course, their own security officers. Well, those that have already done their job and whose services the party no longer needed.

And here Lyushkov again showed himself as well as possible. Apparently the leader’s inspirational look had a strong effect on him. Having directive No. 00447 “On the operation to repress former kulaks, criminals and other anti-Soviet elements”, Heinrich Samuilovich began by finding and disarming the 40 security officers - that is, almost all of the previous leadership of the local NKVD administration together with its head, the old Bolshevik Terentiy Deribas. Moreover, Lyushkov did not for a moment stop the fact that Deribas was a state security commissar of rank 1, that is, he was a general of the army. At the same time, according to the “recommendation” of Lyushkov, the head of “Dalstroy” (a “trust” such was in the GULAG system), the honored chekist Eduard Berzin, was also shot. Well ... he was a spy and did not work well, naturally ... Through the efforts of Lyushkov in the Far East, thousands of people were repressed - in fact, the entire old party and KGB elite who organized a "Far Eastern right-Trotskyist conspiracy" there. One only did not understand the failed tailor that he himself would be the next in line for execution - Heinrich Lyushkov.

Intrigue system

In the meantime, for their successes in the work of eradicating the enemies of the people, the loyal security officer-Stalin was elected deputy of the Supreme Council. But, only for some reason, when he arrived in the capital for a meeting, it turned out that he was being watched and followed this surveillance. I noticed, but did not know yet that “the car is already rolling” along the approved and “rolling path”. Meanwhile, the Chekists, who were arrested at that time, were already demanded to stipulate Lyushkov before being shot, and it is clear that they did it. Why spare him something? Today we die, so die as you, at least tomorrow! And the first who realized that the general, in fact, already dead, was his colleague in the bodies and deputy mandate, the commander of 1 rank Mikhail Frinovsky, to whom Heinrich Samuilovich had just complained about the surveillance he had noticed.

And then it was Frinovsky who was sent a year later to the Far East — for the new purge of the NKVD apparatus, the border troops, and in order to “restore order” already behind Lyushkov himself. In the spring of 1938, his deputies, the generals of the NKVD, MA, were arrested. Kagan and I.M. Leplevsky, who surrendered their boss for a minute immediately. And then Marshal Blucher, who was not arrested at that time, although standing in line, also threw out his weighty word. And already here, of course, after such an “authoritative signal” the failed tailor was immediately summoned to Moscow, while at the same time he was removed from his post. True, it seems only to appoint a new post in the NKVD of the USSR. But from the telegram of Yezhov, who was his direct leader, Lyushkov learned that no post for him in the central office of the NKVD was ever foreseen. This could only mean one thing: the inevitable arrest upon arrival in the capital. Lyushkov immediately understood everything and made an attempt to organize an escape for his family abroad. But it did not. His wife was arrested and then sent to a camp, and his stepdaughter was taken up by relatives. That is, they could not get abroad. But on the other hand, now Lyushkov didn’t have anything to lose except his “successful KGB past.” Therefore, in early June, he went to Posyet, where he crossed the border, surrendering to the Japanese, who at that time already occupied the whole of Manchuria. Apparently, he decided that it was better to become a “living dog” rather than play the role of another “dead lion”. More than a week before the message came from Japan, Lyushkov was considered missing, believing that he was possibly abducted or killed by the Japanese.

Pure Japanese thanks ...

For almost seven years, Lyushkov worked first in the intelligence department of the Imperial Army General Staff (Bureau for East Asia Studies), and after that in the headquarters of the Kwantung Army. For a start, he gave the entire Soviet agent network in the Far East to the Japanese, which doomed a lot of people to wild torture and death, informed all radio codes of points of contact and spoke about all the operational plans of the Red Army in the event of war, including not only Siberia, but also Ukraine. He also drew detailed maps and charts of all border fortifications for the Japanese and gave the most detailed information, which they would not have received from hundreds of spies, about the locations of Soviet troops in the Far East, including their numbers and all data on their weapons. But life is a fun thing! Richard Sorge managed to access his report and photographed the most important pages. When the film reached Moscow, they were horrified: Lyushkov gave everything he knew. True, having learned all this, and then also by checking, the Japanese saw that the forces of the Red Army were many times greater than their own in this area, and in the end did not dare to begin military operations against the USSR. In addition, knowing the security system of the Stalin dacha in the Crimea, which he himself had organized at the time, he proposed the most realistic project of the assassination attempt on Stalin. Its development was begun, but the plan failed because of the actions of the Soviet counterintelligence. That is, Lyushkov worked for the Japanese, not for fear, but for conscience, although it is still unknown so accurately whether he told them everything and whether there was a certain amount of misinformation in his messages. In any case, the Japanese "thanked" Lyushkov purely samurai: in August 1945, he was killed by them in Dairen, so that if something did not fall into the hands of Russians or Americans, he knew too much. Thus, by his betrayal, he won seven years of life and nothing more. But, on the other hand, before his death at least they did not beat him with rubber sticks ...

Aftermath

Once behind the “iron curtain”, Lyushkov told a lot of interesting things about “living in the USSR”. So, 13 July 1938, in an interview with the Japanese newspaper "Yomiuri Shimbun", he stated:
“I until recently committed great crimes against the people, since I actively cooperated with Stalin in carrying out his policy of deception and terrorism. I'm really a traitor. But I am a traitor only in relation to Stalin ... These are the immediate reasons for my escape from the USSR, but this is not the end of the story. There are more important and fundamental reasons that motivated me to act like that.
This is what I am convinced that the Leninist principles have ceased to be the basis of the party’s policy. I first felt the hesitations since the murder of Kirov by Nikolayev at the end of 1934. This case was fatal for the country as well as for the party. I was then in Leningrad. I was not only directly involved in the investigation of the murder of Kirov, but also actively participated in public trials and executions carried out after the Kirov case under the leadership of Yezhov. I dealt with the following cases:
The case of the so-called Leningrad terrorist center at the beginning of 1935.
The case of the terrorist center about conspiracy against Stalin in the Kremlin in 1935.
The case of the so-called Trotsky-Zinoviev joint center in August 1936
Before the whole world, I can certify with full responsibility that all these imaginary conspiracies never existed and all of them were deliberately fabricated.
Nikolaev certainly did not belong to the Zinoviev group. He was a crazy man suffering from delusions of grandeur. He decided to die to go down in history as a hero. This is clear from his diary.
At the trial, which took place in August 1936, the accusation that the Trotskyists through Olberg 1). They were connected with the German Gestapo, accusations against Zinoviev and Kamenev of espionage, accusations that Zinoviev and Kamenev were connected with the so-called "right center" through Tomsk, 2). Rykov and Bukharin, - fully fabricated. Zinoviev, Kamenev, Tomsky, Rykov, Bukharin and many others were executed as enemies of Stalin who opposed his destructive policies.
Stalin used the opportunity presented in connection with the Kirov case to get rid of these people through the fabrication of extensive anti-Stalinist conspiracies, espionage processes and terrorist organizations.
So Stalin got rid of all measures from political opponents and from those who may become them in the future. Stalin's diabolical methods led to the fall even very sophisticated and strong people. His events gave rise to many tragedies. This happened not only because of Stalin’s hysterical suspicion, but also on the basis of his firm determination to get rid of all the Trotskyists and right-wingers who are Stalin’s political opponents and may present themselves as a political danger in the future ... ”


Lyushkov said that the sensational confessions of espionage and sabotage were in fact dislodged from those convicted by cruel torture and threats of new torture. In confirmation of the correctness of his words, he published the suicide letter he had seized with himself to the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) of the former Assistant Commander of the Independent Red Banner Far Eastern Army for the Air Force A.Ya. Lapin, who committed suicide in a Khabarovsk prison. Revealing to the whole world the secrets of Stalin’s terror, Lyushkov did not hide his own active participation in these bloody affairs ...

Naturally, Lyushkov in the 1939 year in the USSR was sentenced to death in absentia, and his escape affected the career of the People's Commissar of the NKVD Ezhov ... Well, and all the staff assigned to their places who escaped Lyushkov were immediately arrested and executed.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 12 May 2018 06: 16
    +5
    Heinrich Samuilovich began by finding and neutralizing 40 Chekists - that is, almost all the previous leadership of the local NKVD administration, together with its leader, the old Bolshevik Terenty Deribas. Moreover, Lyushkova did not stop for an instant the fact that Deribas was the first-rate state security commissioner, that is, he was an army general. At the same time, on the “recommendation”, Lyushkov was also shot by the head of Dalstroy (such a “trust” was in the Gulag system), honored Chekist Eduard Berzin. Well ... he was a spy and did not work well, naturally ... Thousands of people were repressed through the efforts of Lyushkov in the Far East - in fact the whole old party and KGB elite, which staged there a "Far Eastern Right-Trotskyite conspiracy."

    As the sandbags from the past say: punishment without guilt does not happen yes
    And then it was Frinovsky who was sent to the Far East a year later - for new cleaning aNKVD apparatus, border troops and in order to "put things in order" already for Lyushkov himself.
    I note that Frinovsky was also cleared.
    The gang continuously followed another gang, then the next gang. "Gang" - the official then name of the destroyed
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 12 May 2018 06: 33
      +5
      There was another tricky bug: the head of the NKVD of Ukraine, Comrade Uspensky. When he realized that it was his fingernail's turn, he ... "drowned in the stormy waters of the Dnieper while swimming: he folded his uniform, his extra cap and ..... lol But "the deceased was soon found quite alive and, as planned, shot

      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
      I hope to write about Comrade. Raskolnikov, a faithful Leninist-Stalinist, who also fled abroad and told a lot of interesting things .......
      1. kalibr
        12 May 2018 06: 51
        +8
        Material about Raskolnikov is ready. Waiting for the line. It turned out very interesting. I am currently working on the novel “Four Crosses for the Pan of a Soviet Officer.” About his adoptive father, who just at that time began his spy career. There will be about our intelligence of the prewar years. Well ... it was impossible to do without Lyushkov and Raskolnikov ... such an era! And from what went into the book articles about them were born.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 12 May 2018 06: 59
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          Material about Raskolnikov is ready.

          Check this out, . as i guessed. Read!
          Still about the "drowned" include, for the sake of sharpness. hi
          1. kalibr
            12 May 2018 07: 19
            +2
            There is no material about him.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 12 May 2018 09: 50
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              There is no material about him.

              November 5, 1938 ... Evening was approaching, and Commissar of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, Commissioner of State Security 3rd rank Alexander Ivanovich Uspensky never appeared in his office. No one knew where he was, where he had gone.
              The next day he was not at home or at work.
              Khrushchev called Stalin:
              - Where is the member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of Ukraine, the People's Commissar of the Assumption?

              “Gone, looking,” Khrushchev answered.
              When they opened the office, they found a note: "I'm leaving my life, look for a corpse on the banks of the river." The Commissar’s clothes neatly folded found in the bushes on the banks of the Dnieper, there were documents in his pockets.
              special search groups were created in all local bodies of the NKVD, and in the People’s Commissariat itself a headquarters called upon to unite all efforts and ensure the organization of a search for a “drowned man” nationwide.
              One of the fugitive's cousins, who worked in Noginsk on the railroad, discovered surveillance and, fearing arrest, hanged himself.
              As if the driven animal was rushing around the country, the former first Ukrainian security officer in the hope of finding at least some refuge. I traveled to Arzamas, Kuibyshev, Sverdlovsk, the North, Asia and so on.
              http://www.kontinent.org/article.php?aid=4c8691c7
              ddb90
              Caught the enemy, however, colleagues. yes
              Still, he still lived at large for six months, and this is a considerable period for those times.
              Soon the People's Commissar, a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, he German spy and terrorist yes - was shot by colleagues. And his wife, at the same time, too.

              Interesting in that he did not go to the slaughter, but tried to deceive fate ...
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 12 May 2018 12: 08
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                , and the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, 3rd-Class State Security Commissioner Alexander Ivanovich Uspensky

                By the way, he was hiding under a very similar surname: SHMAKOVSKY yes
        2. avt
          avt 12 May 2018 08: 08
          +9
          Quote: kalibr
          It was impossible to do without Lyushkov and Raskolnikov ... such an era!

          No way. And when will you, about the fact that Raskolnikov will not forget to mention Trotsky’s creature? wassat Specifically for the purity of the story. Is Az sinful to what? Well, it’s probably that it would be nice to connect the persons involved in the narrative with the internal party struggle for power. Well, actually Ilyin / Raskolnikov was really lucky - he directly repeated almost completely, with the writing of letters, of Kurbsky. YES ! When again
          Quote: Olgovich
          write about Comrade Raskolnikov, a faithful Leninist-Stalinist, who also fled abroad and told a lot of interesting things ......

          bully good (Call Varlam Shalamov a true Stalinist bully ) Request - pay attention to the historical plot in which Ilyin / Raskolnikov was a direct participant and executor of the order of personally Comrade Trotsky. Well, the campaign and the delivery of the two Baltic Fleet destroyers. There is one curious episode concerning the fate of the crews participating in it and Ilyin personally. In general, we will still guess for a long time about the defendants of that time like this - by tail. The archive of the Administrative Department of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks will not be opened soon, if at all. since those years that many things would have been turned from head to foot and back more than once or twice.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 12 May 2018 09: 00
            +1
            Quote: avt
            ) Request - pay attention to the historical plot in which Ilyin / Raskolnikov was a direct participant and executor of the order of personally Comrade Trotsky.

            Request: tell us what you must fulfill deputy commissar of war Trotsky, if not the orders of the chief? By the way, all those who co-touched with Trotsky are Trotskyists, right? lol
            1. avt
              avt 12 May 2018 09: 30
              +8
              Quote: Olgovich
              By the way, all those who co-touched with Trotsky are Trotskyists, right?

              To study, to study and once again to study Marxism properly, especially the biographies of the creatures who took up the place of the royal mosquito in History. You will learn a lot of interesting things. Then nonsense about
              Quote: Olgovich
              all co-touching with Trotsky are Trotskyites, right?

              you don’t have to ask.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 12 May 2018 10: 24
                +2
                Quote: avt
                To study, to study and once again to study Marxism properly, especially biographies

                Biographies - part of Marxism? belay lol It can be seen: the testament of the foreign tourist "Three U" in action .. hi
                Quote: avt
                Then nonsense about
                Quote: Olgovich
                all co-touching with Trotsky are Trotskyites, right?
                you don’t have to ask.

                Your painstaking trial (digging) of various grades is good
                Nevertheless, Trotsky wrote: "Raskolnikov for work "he met with me very often in the summer months of 1917, drove me to Kronstadt, and asked me more than once for advice."
                Well, definitely a Trotskyist! lol
                And this is not the Stalinist wrote ?: Letter Raskolnikov December 18, 1938 to Stalin
                "Dear Joseph Vissarionovich! After the death of comrade Lenin, it became clear to me that you are the only person able to continue his work. I immediately and accurately went after yousincerely believing in your qualities of a political leader and not on fear, but on conscience, sharing and supporting your party line "

                So what grade is it? recourse lol
                Or one flowing into another? recourse How are you, revolutionaries, difficult .... lol
                1. avt
                  avt 12 May 2018 12: 56
                  +5
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  How are you, revolutionaries, difficult ....

                  But everything is simple for you, the Tsarebozhiks - he painted the icon and bang your forehead on the floor.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Just imagine: in clerical language an ordinary mischief is stated. Then I learned a lot of interesting things that were kept there under the stamp "top secret".

                  bully
                  “It's not as interesting as it seems.” When you say laugh
                  complaining of pain in the liver - this is impressive when you consider that before this
                  you did a puzzle operation ... And your dossier is boring: reports,
                  reports - everything mixed up: your denunciations, denunciations of you to us ... Another interesting thing:
                  I calculated that, thanks to your initiative, ninety-seven were arrested
                  person. And all of them were silent about you. All without exception. And them in the Gestapo
                  rather famously processed ...
                  bully
                  Quote: kalibr
                  About archives so ..

                  For example, there are quite a few denunciations of the academician Lysenko from geneticists, “Weismannist-Morganists”, but Lysenko’s denunciations are somehow not there .... Well, a real democrat will say that he informed Stalin directly, without compiling lists bully By the way, the persons involved in the “Leningrad affair” are also very, very good in this respect, demonstrative guys. They knocked on Malenkov and his ... friends “BEFORE disgrace and arrest, like drummers at the parade. There was no clear separation, as we were rubbed and rubbed, changing the polarity of the facts, a solid gray zone. request
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 12 May 2018 14: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: avt
                    But everything is simple for you, the Tsarebozhiks - he painted the icon and bang your forehead on the floor.

                    At least everything is clear and logical here. Another question that can be agreed is, no.
                    But in your grades lol , yes, it’s impossible to understand a normal person with all desire. Even you, a non-disdainful researcher of shades of varieties lol -you can not.
                    Quote: avt
                    For example, there are quite a few denunciations of the academician Lysenko from geneticists, “Weisman-Morganists,” but Lysenko’s denunciations are somehow not .... Well, a real democrat will say that he directly reported to Stalin, without compiling lists By the way, the persons involved in the “Leningrad case” also very-a-ah-in this regard, demonstration guys. We knocked on Malenkov and his ... ,, friends "BEFORE disgrace and arrest, like drummers in a parade

                    Knocked everywhere and always. But only you have a stupid denunciation-clause ACCEPTED by the state and served as the basis for "fraud" and the subsequent .... execution
                    1. gsev
                      gsev 16 May 2018 03: 32
                      +1
                      Yes. The likelihood of reprisals is an unresolved problem in Russia. In Western culture, there are mechanisms to protect against illegal actions of special services. Although there are failures, Italy, Germany, Spain. But they have all this not on such a scale, so cruel and so long. And most importantly, in Europe, these denunciations and crimes have been studied, and unrighteous performers are put on the court of history and the public. We seem to understand that such Western customs must be adopted, but as those who understand get to power, they refuse to study the unsightly sides of our history. I remembered an episode from the book "The Case of Academician Vavilov." The author got access to the folder with the Vavilov case and with a ban will get acquainted with the part of this case where the most scandalous denunciations were collected. And when he broke the ban, he began to study these denunciations, the employee who was supposed to control this ban showed genuine respect for him. A similar episode was when Malenkov’s comrade-in-arms provided Khrushchev’s course supporters with evidence of the fabrication of the 30s by Stalin and his entourage. And the German intelligence officer, who was called the recruiter of the "German spies" in the 30s and who surrendered to Soviet intelligence in Afghanistan, was not interrogated by anyone. Everyone knew and was afraid of accusations of knowing the truth about the repressions of the 30s.
                  2. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 13 May 2018 23: 48
                    0
                    Honestly, it would be better if Malenkov was repressed, not Voznesensky. Although in 1953-1954. Malenkov in practice implemented a number of ideas of the executed Voznesensky.
            2. tred
              tred 12 May 2018 13: 30
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              By the way, all those who co-touched with Trotsky are Trotskyists, right?

              Strange "rotten" memory. The creator of their idol, VOSR (actually a Bolshevik putsch), Trotsky is their enemy.
              They somehow cannot understand that there would have been no Trotsky, there would have been no Bolshevik October coup.
              And the USSR would not exist.
              And “socialism” would not exist.
              Those. all idols of rotten suckers would not be.
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 12 May 2018 14: 48
                +1
                Quote: tred
                there would be no Trotsky, there would be no Bolshevik October coup.
                And the USSR would not exist.
                And “socialism” would not exist.

                Well, it would not be a Bolshevik, but a Left Socialist-Revolutionary putsch. And instead of "USSR" there would be a different name. But socialism would have been about the same diabolical face: the party of professional terrorists would certainly not have yielded to the Bolsheviks in repression! Recall, at least, the nightmarish "supposedly White Guard" Mudyug concentration camp - the Socialist-Revolutionaries steered the "Northern Region", the whites here are by no means!
                1. tred
                  tred 12 May 2018 15: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Well, it would not be a Bolshevik, but a Left Socialist-Revolutionary putsch.

                  The Left SRs had a gulkin nose. They wouldn’t do anything.
                  Quote: Weyland
                  , white here with no sideways

                  "Whites" is the notion of the Bolsheviks. The Russian Volunteer Army fought with the Reds. Russians, for short. But not white.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 12 May 2018 14: 52
                +1
                Quote: tred
                Strange "rotten" memory. The creator of their idol, VOSR (actually a Bolshevik putsch), Trotsky is their enemy.

                In Russian, state the "thought". yes
                Who has the thief idol, who has Trotsky's enemy? recourse [i] [/ i] request
                1. tred
                  tred 12 May 2018 15: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Who has the thief idol

                  Not a thief, but a VOSR.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  who has Trotsky's enemy

                  You know it yourself.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 13 May 2018 07: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: tred
                    Not a thief, but a VOSR

                    The definition of "The Great October Revolution " (BOP) first appeared in a declaration announced by F. Raskolnikov on behalf of the Bolshevik faction in Constituent assembly in 1918, “Socialist2” was added as much as 30 g, that is, it was a remake. One could also KNOW this.
                    Quote: tred
                    You know it yourself.

                    I would know, I would not ask ...
              3. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 13 May 2018 05: 59
                +2
                Quote: tred
                Quote: Olgovich
                By the way, all those who co-touched with Trotsky are Trotskyists, right?
                .......... VOSR ................... And the USSR would not have been ..
                So met two odonosti. !!!!! Together they read SMRAD, dream, if only, yes, if .......
              4. gsev
                gsev 16 May 2018 03: 40
                0
                But there was Ivan the Terrible and the repressions under Anna Ivanovna described in the book "Ice House". But in those days there were no Jews in power. So this is a problem of Russian culture, Russian civilization. And after Trotsky’s exile, repressions only intensified.
          2. kalibr
            12 May 2018 10: 03
            +5
            About archives, so ... As a student of our pedagogical university I heard a "terrible story" about the dean of the physics department. When I worked in the Penza Partnership Archive from 1986 to 1988, I presented a box of chocolates to a reading room employee (oh happy time of scarcity — that was the best key to hearts!) And gained access to personal affairs of this “communist” and another “row” ... Just imagine: in clerical language an ordinary mischief is stated. Then I learned a lot of interesting things that were kept there under the stamp "top secret." But in Samara I learned about the explosion at a military factory in the 1970s, and in Simbirsk about the catastrophe of a motor ship that collided with a bridge ... And all these were secrets from the people, passing on to the level of rumors and conjectures! So now, approximately. Only a box of chocolates can not do !!!!!
          3. tred
            tred 12 May 2018 13: 24
            +2
            Quote: avt
            And when will you, about the fact that Raskolnikov will not forget to mention Trotsky’s creature?

            So Ulyanov was a creature of Trotsky. After all, it was Trotsky who made the October revolution. And then he put Ulyanov as a wedding general.
            But the "general" outwitted him and for some time he stayed the main one. Until they banged. And, as it were, the Bolshevik comrades themselves.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 13 May 2018 06: 10
              +3
              Quote: tred
              So Ulyanov was a creature of Trotsky. After all, it was Trotsky who made the October revolution. .
              Well, yes, yes .... It’s good that they watched the film, and how to study history. Only on the series. And yet there were dreams, visions, glitches. But I didn’t understand then whose dreams it is — of Trotsky or the affftyr of the series? Now I guess ---- yours.
        3. MrK
          MrK 13 May 2018 01: 12
          +11
          Quote: kalibr
          Material about Raskolnikov is ready. Waiting for the line.


          Well, if the material about Raskolnikov is the same as about Lyushkov, then you can not print.
          However, what to expect from kalibra - anti-adviser. After all, the rule: to betray in time is not to betray, but to foresee - no one canceled. The social scientist kalibr in Soviet times taught us Marxism and the history of the CPSU. Why? Because it was profitable. They made a career on this. Today it’s profitable to be an anti-Soviet and make a career in this. Which he does.
          Hundreds of books are written, thousands of articles are published, which tells why Frinovsky was sent to the Far East. In short, what would Beria L.P. That Frinovsky already crushed Yezhov for himself. And I was thinking about when to “crush” the Politburo.
          The phrase is especially touching: The main thing was the plan launched to this or that area from above, and also the desire to exceed it! And everything is explained. Well, Stalin sat in the Kremlin, turned a finger in his nose, and only thought: who else to shoot. But I olgovich - a sort of heir to the Romanian lawless farions, once recommended an article by Alexander Kurlandchik - STALIN REPRESSIONS OF 30-X. ARE YOU SURE THAT THEY ARE STALIN? http://www.proza.ru/2017/06/13/60. Where it is perfectly explained who made these execution plans. Is silent. Apparently I do not like the truth. Now I recommend Kalibr. Health to you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    2. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 12 May 2018 07: 14
      +8
      The time was turbulent, there was an active replacement of old cadres with new ones (I note that very often the old cadres themselves did not want to serve under the Soviet regime). Therefore, people worthy of high posts did not always fall into leadership positions.
      But we must pay tribute to the Bolsheviks - they fought with such people, cleaned out those unworthy. In contrast, by the way, from the pre-revolutionary and current authorities.
      Quote: Olgovich
      punishment without guilt does not happen

      Here you are right hi - after the Revolution, the blundering hustler suffered an absolutely deserved punishment good
      Yes, there’s another good point in the film:
      "The rule of law in the country is determined not by the presence of thieves, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them".
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPgPtESs3Yw
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 12 May 2018 08: 49
        +5
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        The time was turbulent, there was an active replacement of old cadres with new ones

        And new ones were replaced by new ones (the first new ones were shot), then these new ones were also shot, new new ones came, etc. and all this for a year or two. And, in your opinion, this is normal ... fool "And everything is so decorous, noble!" (WITH)
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        I notice very often old frames themselves did not want to serve with Soviet power ).

        What are the old (pre-revolutionary) frames in 1937 g, what's wrong with you ?! belay
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        they fought such people cleared out those unworthy.

        People are not carpets or cockroaches in order to “clean” them, and even by executions. Can you also clean out the same way?
        Quote: rkkasa 81

        Here you are right - salutary Shushera after the Revolution suffered an absolutely deserved punishment

        You didn’t read the article again: what are the whitesmen ?! foolFor tankers, from the article:
        thousands of people were repressed in the Far East - essentially the whole old party and KGB elite,
        It was foreign spies и traitors- enemies of the people (according to the charges). And you sacredly believe the justice of that time, do you?
        Then call them spies and enemies, not decent words. hi
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 12 May 2018 10: 08
          +8
          Quote: Olgovich
          And new ones were replaced by new ones (the first new ones were shot), then these new ones were also shot, new new ones came, etc. and all this for a year or two. And in your opinion this is normal...

          Do not lie. The purges of such proportions were not always carried out, and not all were cleaned.
          And this, Mr. yap, show where I claimed that this is normal ? I simply explained to the stupid, why at the beginning of the Soviet period, people who were not always worthy of this were in leadership positions, and that purges were necessary.
          Quote: Olgovich
          What are the old (pre-revolutionary) cadres in 1937

          Do you seriously think that the person who worked before the Revolution could not continue to work in the 30s? I have bad news for you.
          Quote: Olgovich
          People are not carpets or cockroaches in order to “clean” them, and even by executions. Can you also clean out the same way?

          Alas, purges are needed. Look at RI, and RF. And as for me - so I do not spy, do not participate in conspiracies, and do not steal.
          Quote: Olgovich
          what whitewasters ?!

          But you do not deny that you have cleaned up the bailers by themselves. "Punishment without guilt - does not happen." (C) yes
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 12 May 2018 11: 00
            +3
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Do not lie. The purges of such proportions were not always carried out, and not all were cleaned.

            You are lying, as always, plus your deep ignorance in knowing the history of your country:
            in the Far East three to four times the leaders of all spheres of management, including the NKVD, were replaced and sequentially shot.
            In Moscow, the Berry gang is destroyed by the Yezhov gang, which, in turn, is destroyed by the Beria gang, etc. Tie a knot with an ax!
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            And this, Mr. yap, show where I claimed that this is normal? I simply explained to the stupid, why at the beginning of the Soviet period, people who were not always worthy of this were in leadership positions, and that purges were necessary.

            Cheats — Necessary — Isn’t It Your Words, Mr.
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            yap

            ? And the shooting of several executives in a row is what?
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            I just explained to stupid why in The beginning Soviet period, in leadership positions were not always worthy of this people, and that cleanings were needed.

            What is the "beginning" in 1937? Socialism has already been BUILT, if you do not know!
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Do you seriously think that the person who worked before the Revolution could not continue to work in the 30s? I have bad news for you

            I don’t think, I know that nowhere in the government have there been anyone left since ancient times.
            If you don’t even know this, then maybe you should read something before writing7
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Alas, purges are needed. Look at RI, and RF.

            These are not carpets, again!
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            And about me - so I do not spy, I do not participate in conspiracies, and I do not steal.

            laughing lol
            Mil man yeah show me at least one from Lenin’s destroyed guard who didn’t speak first interrogation the same thing ?! Would get to Comrade. Rhodes, would admit, otherwise it will be very bo-bo! lol Also a comrade, by the way, from Jewish tailors, like Lyushkov, what a prolific profession for the Chekists!
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            But you do not deny that you have cleaned up the bailers by themselves. "Punishment without guilt - does not happen."

            Once again, for tankers: destroyed, according to an article by V. Shpakovsky, Soviet elite Far Eastwho, in fact, turned out to be spies of all the world's intelligence services and terrorists. lol
            1. rkkasa xnumx
              rkkasa xnumx 12 May 2018 12: 15
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              which, in turn, destroyed by the gang of Beria

              And when was Beria destroyed? In a year or two? No. So, you once again cheated. stop
              Quote: Olgovich
              Cheats required

              Glad you finally got it hi
              Quote: Olgovich
              What is the "beginning"

              Mr. fool finally read the article:
              in 1924 he became the head of the secret-political department in the central republican apparatus of the GPU in Kharkov. He worked there for seven years and, apparently, did his job so well that he was taken to Moscow, where he began to conduct the most high-profile political affairs at the OGPU under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR. fellow
              Quote: Olgovich
              nowhere in the authorities there is no one left since the pre-war times

              For those who ride on an armored train, I repeat - The time was turbulent, there was an active replacement of old cadres with new ones (I note that very often the old cadres themselves did not want to serve under the Soviet regime).
              Quote: Olgovich
              from Lenin’s destroyed guard

              Give the definition of the Leninist Guard, or how do you always start wagging?
              Quote: Olgovich
              Once again, for tankers

              Once again, for armored trains - you do not deny that you have cleaned the bailers by themselves. "Punishment without guilt - does not happen." yes
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 12 May 2018 15: 04
                +2
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                And when it was destroyed Beria ? Cheres a year or two ? No. So, you once again cheated.

                Elite Far East destroyed, THIRD TIME I remind you "!
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                finally read the article:
                in 1924 he became the head of the secret-political department in the central republican apparatus of the GPU in Kharkov. He worked there for seven years and, apparently, did his job so well that he was taken to Moscow, where he began to conduct the most high-profile political affairs at the OGPU under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR.

                The beginning of total purges (about which the article about Lyushkov) -1937 d. WHAT DOES IT HAVE 1924 AND PRE-REVOLUTION Cadres, Comrade fool ?!
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                For those who ride an armored train, I repeat - Time was stormy, there was an active replacement of old cadres with new ones (I note that very often the old cadres themselves did not want to serve under the Soviet regime).

                Boils, yes, when you throw yeast .. lol
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                Give the definition of the Leninist Guard, or how do you always start wagging?

                There is no educational program, dear man. Discussion involves at least some basic level. "She herself!" (WITH). lol
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                Once again, for armored trains - you do not deny that you have cleaned the bailers by themselves. "Punishment without guilt - never happens

                belay fool lol
                1. rkkasa xnumx
                  rkkasa xnumx 12 May 2018 15: 37
                  +5
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Far East Elites Destroyed

                  You're lying again. stop
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The beginning of total purges (about which there is an article about Lyushkov) -1937, with what then 1924 and pre-revolutionary cadres

                  Mr. fool Lyushkov did not immediately suddenly appear at 37m, out of nowhere. By the 37th, he already held high posts. fellow
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Boils, yes, when you throw yeast ..

                  Not surprised that you are a specialist in drilling ... of this lol
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  There is no educational program

                  Everything as usual, wagging tail again recourse
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 13 May 2018 07: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    You're lying again.

                    Refute the FACTS of changing the elite of the Far East several times during these years and tell who survived. You can not? So you are a sad liar,
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    Lyushkov did not immediately suddenly appear at 37m, out of nowhere. By the 37th, he already held high posts.

                    And?
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    Not surprised that you are a specialist in drilling ... of this

                    MYSELF do not remember, a lover of "drilling"? Let me remind you:
                    rkkasa xnumx
                    - It was time stormy,

                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    Everything as usual, wagging tail again

                    Finally, take the textbook and Google before you go with the comments.
      2. kalibr
        13 May 2018 17: 37
        0
        Altogether, about 20 of thousands of employees of state security organs were repressed, including a number of former senior employees of the Cheka, "Dzerzhinsky's associates": A. Kh. Artuzov, G. I. Bokiy, M. Ya. Latsis, M. S. Kedrov, V N. Mantsev, G. S. Moroz, I. P. Pavlunovsky, J. X. Peters, M. A. Trilisser, I. S. Unshlikht, V. V. Fomin ... Are there many spies and enemies there sneaked in?
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 13 May 2018 22: 36
          +6
          Quote: kalibr
          In total, about 20 thousand employees of state security bodies were repressed,

          What a historian you are, if you so easily repeat other people's myths. Some slanderer launched the figure of 20 thousand repressed security officers, and you are replicating this.
          Firstly, the figure of 20 thousand applies throughout the NKVD.
          Secondly, state security bodies (security officers) were only part of the NKVD. The subordinate of the People's Commissariat also included border and internal troops, police, fire departments, registry offices, the Main Directorate of State Surveying and Cartography, the Main Directorate of Weights and Measures.
          Thirdly, this figure includes those arrested not only for "counter-revolutionary", but also for criminal offenses.
          A total of 1 state security officers were arrested from October 1936, 15 to August 1938, 2273, of which 1862 were arrested for “counter-revolutionary crimes”, in 1939 an additional 937 people were added to them. Moreover, some of the arrested employees were subsequently released and reinstated in the "organs".
  2. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 12 May 2018 06: 25
    +5
    Is it true, is it not true ..... and was it like that, or in a completely different way that it was ---- I don’t know, so I can’t say something definite.
    Given the prejudiced attitude, for example, in an article about Dybenko.
    At the same time, reprints of evidence from contemporaries are now beginning to appear. I wonder what right now. For example, a year ago I did not see such books. Although, of course, came out earlier. For example, Antonov-Ovseenko, Denikin, Ilya Savchenko, Grigory Kirdetsov, Daniil Skobtsov ......
    And still different editions of the Archive of the Russian Revolution. Probably according to the Berlin edition.
    1. kalibr
      12 May 2018 06: 48
      +3
      That is, he did not run away anywhere and his own shot him ... Well, let it be so, I won’t even argue ...
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 May 2018 07: 05
        +2
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, good morning! Here on the site I saw prejudiced judgments, therefore I wrote exactly what I wrote. Well, don’t get back to talking about a newspaper like that
        for example. I'm going to work now.
        1. kalibr
          12 May 2018 07: 22
          +3
          Here is an interesting article about the Maxim machine gun. For general erudition. Everything is simple there. Read ... I’m also going to work. To the cottage. I have communism - a complete combination of physical and mental labor. Dug - wrote, planted - wrote, poured - wrote again. Roquefort consumed home-made wine and cheese, slept in the air - you write again. All according to abilities and needs!
  3. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 12 May 2018 07: 48
    +5
    Under Stalin, thousands of cases were fabricated into "enemies of the people", sucking out "evidence" literally "out of the finger" —how many people were so killed or "rubbed" into "camp dust." Now, now, after so much time has passed, the country itself, Russia, has faced the fact that, against it, the “world judges” of the “troika” fabricate such falsified accusations of “crimes” against “humanity” .... I see this , some kind of higher irony .... something from above, some kind of divine craft- "what you sow, you will reap" .... or as in the proverb: "the tears of the mouse will pour out to the Cat ....."
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 12 May 2018 09: 19
      +5
      And you can say quite differently. Than the Monster
      A class having serfs, and then --- a class of landowners, owners of factories, has always been appointed guilty and subjected to everything — serfs, just peasants, workers. Various writers noted among the Russian peasants submissiveness to punishment and a bad life. In TOLSTOI it is written in HUNGER. At Nekrasov --- a woman was whipped with a whip. Where the aforementioned happened --- was the so-called. CONGRESSING. This place has been preserved to this day opposite the metro. Only, sorry, without any memorial boards! The owner sent a note there for torture. And it was impossible to disobey. The punished one was supposed to go there on foot, perhaps very far away and somehow return back after punishment. From the city center, from Sennaya Square. But they lived on the Okhta and on the Vyborg side ..... There were no transport as of now. Could everyone have come after the terrible beatings? And they had no judges or lawyers.
      And now here's Theresa, then all sorts of organizations appoint the blame of Russia. Something like that.
    2. kalibr
      12 May 2018 09: 54
      +4
      Monster_Fat (Yes What Difference) Yes, because if God exists, how many sincere prayers were addressed to him from innocently injured women, children of “enemies of the people”, and someone asked and punish, yes ... for “these know what they are doing!” They say that God sees the truth, but not soon to say. But then time passed and ... he said his word!
      1. Nitochkin
        Nitochkin 12 May 2018 16: 45
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Monster_Fat (Yes What Difference) Yes, because if God exists, how many sincere prayers were addressed to him from innocently injured women, children of “enemies of the people”, and someone asked and punish, yes ... for “these know what they are doing!” They say that God sees the truth, but not soon to say. But then time passed and ... he said his word!


        Do not tell nonsense, and do not ascribe your thoughts to God.
        Simplest of all, the law of Karma is not averted, sooner or later it will be necessary to bear responsibility for your actions, desires, thoughts, etc.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 May 2018 21: 20
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        ...... someone did ask and punish, yes ... for “these know what they are doing!” They say that God sees the truth, but he will not say it soon. ......!
        More than one generation of peasants, a working people, probably the homeless and the mendicant under the king appealed to God ... October 1917 came.
        1. kalibr
          12 May 2018 23: 03
          0
          Yes exactly! And then others began to pray for something else ... and the 1991 came ...
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 13 May 2018 10: 04
            +1
            Let's just say that while the young state of the new system was building socialism in a single country, creating a social camp, after the defeat of fascism, it was strong and respected throughout the world.
    3. avt
      avt 12 May 2018 17: 22
      +7
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Under Stalin, thousands of cases were fabricated for "enemies of the people", sucking out "evidence" literally "from the finger"

      Yes . exactly
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      thousands of cases
      moreover, sometimes personal and economic crimes, especially in the defense industry, were settling the bill, and they were also committed to politics, like sabotage and sabotage. The most striking example is Tupolev, who generally had an “open account” and .... Korolev, who generally had to purposefully engage in guided missiles (not ballistic, but cruise if you like), also started with questions - What did the target money spend and where are the promised managed vehicles for the Red Army?
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      how many people were so killed or “crushed” into “camp dust”.

      Specifically, articles of execution with the enforcement of the order of a million for all the time announced years of repression. The figure is completely calculated and published. I don’t mean that it’s good that it’s small, but the fact that Solzhenitsensky Volkogonov’s lies about up to 100 million is not documented. Again - HOW, BY WHAT methods could one build a country with a population fermented by the 1905 revolution that passed through the World War and passed through the revolution and the Civil ??? request Just for the sake of interest, look and make sure - in the same Civil in the USA, the methods were exactly the same. Yes, and Roosevelt, the USA did not withdraw from the Great Depression by the “NEP market”, but by a practically tough, centralized leadership, up to the creation of labor camps with hard labor By the way, to this day the labor of prisoners in free, market USA has surpassed the USSR, since the thaw, for sure.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 May 2018 21: 12
        +5
        Quote: avt
        ...... Specifically, the articles of execution with the enforcement of the order of a million for the entire time of the announced years of repression. The figure is completely calculated and published. I don’t mean that it’s good that little, but ......
        .Stalin is one thing, Stalin is another ...... And about the repression of Yeltsin, about the demographic decline and economic decline in the late 20th century, for some reason, little is said. Disproportionately small compared with Stalin. It would seem that many people saw and remember the events of the 90s, and everything is slandered on Stalin.
        We should recall the words of Chernyakhovsky S.F. --- Russian political philosopher, political scientist, journalist. Full member of the Academy of Political Science, Doctor of Political Sciences, professor of MGU. Member of the Public Council of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. Published about 1000 scientific papers. He has the plot: "" God was on the side of the Bolsheviks ""
    4. Monarchist
      Monarchist 12 May 2018 20: 24
      +1
      monster, you have an interesting analogy, but you don’t think that the USA is not correct to compare the Almighty or Stalin
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 May 2018 20: 50
        +3
        Glory, hello! What is wrong here
        Quote: Monarchist
        ...... USA liken to the Almighty ...... not correct
        On the part of the states, this is understandable and natural, and the word ----- is incorrect for them unknown. They themselves have long been considered to have the right to execute and robbing everyone in a row.
  4. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 12 May 2018 09: 12
    +3
    Evil returns to the villains.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 12 May 2018 13: 15
      +7
      Evil returns to the villains.

      hmm .. Lyushkov "perfect fit"would Vlasov as a member of the military council, and the subsequent traitor .. what And not Zuev, who single-handedly accepted an unequal battle, being betrayed by a peasant, and left the last cartridge for himself .. Why is there no article about this person even on Wikipedia? Guides on the way from St. Petersburg to Novgorod talk about his feat. Let everyone know about Zuev! Here he is - a worthy commissar and patriot! soldier
  5. moskowit
    moskowit 12 May 2018 09: 21
    +9
    Vyacheslav Olegovich! With great pleasure I always read your materials on the Middle Ages, knightly armor and weapons. There you have excellent knowledge of that historical period ... But you, to put it mildly, reacted very superficially to this material ..
    NKVD Lieutenant General Heinrich Lyushkov.

    In those days, there were no officers or generals in the USSR. The rank of general in the admiral’s fleet was introduced on May 7 of the 1940 of the year only in the Red Army and the Red Army. And there were so-called special ranks of employees in the power departments, who have nothing to do with military ranks. As you indicated at the beginning of the article that Lyushkov had the special rank commissar of the 3-th state security level of the NKVD, this is correct. But the NKVD lieutenant general was not right .... There were no such titles at all.
    Apparently, following your logic, a three-star railwayman can be identified as a colonel general ...

    And the current state adviser as well as the commander go commander ...
    They are special ranks and special ranks that have nothing to do with military ranks ...
    I give an example: A young man came from the army with the rank of "sergeant", later he graduated from a law school or one of the special schools of law enforcement agencies. He reached a certain special rank. Say "major police." Then suddenly he will be mobilized into the army ... What do you think, with what insignia he will stand up? That's right, "sergeant" .... Naturally, the "police major" will not fall into the trench by the machine-gun crew commander, but he won’t get the same title at once ....
    1. kalibr
      12 May 2018 09: 23
      +5
      I did not know such subtleties! Thank! But knightly materials and materials about personalities are incomparable. The first is my scientific work since the 1995 of the year. The second is purely journalistic work, but it should, but, nevertheless, it usually does not catch up with really professional work. And I wrote good articles about medicines at the request of doctors, but this does not mean that I understand them the way they understand.
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 12 May 2018 10: 30
        +1
        And I wrote good articles about medicines at the request of doctors, but this does not mean that I understand them the way they understand.

        But most likely, as a professional, they thoroughly studied the materials on the basis of which the material was made ....
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 12 May 2018 11: 13
      +2
      Quote: moskowit
      Special titles and then special ranks that have nothing to do with military ranks ...

      They have.
      For example: the special rank of sergeant of state security (2 squares [the so-called “kubar”] in the buttonholes of the sample 1937-1943) conditionally corresponded to the military the rank of lieutenant of the Red Army, while the superior special rank junior lieutenant of state security (3 "kubar" in the buttonholes of the sample 1937-1943) conditionally corresponded to the military rank Senior Lieutenant of the Red Army.
      And the commissioners of the 3rd rank of state security of the NKVD were re-certified precisely in lieutenant generals
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 12 May 2018 11: 55
        +6
        conditionally corresponded to the military rank of lieutenant of the Red Army,

        You yourself answered. The keyword "... conditionally ..."
        The identity of the ranks in the Red Army implies the fulfillment of a similar range of responsibilities ... Lieutenant-senior lieutenant infantry platoon, tank platoon, artillery, engineer, etc. Captain company, battery ... Major battalion, division ...
        But not one superior commander will not appoint the chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the district city to the battalion of a major militia (police). As well, the senior authorized city department of the GB captain of state security did not think of putting it on the company. This is the same as the head of the militarized fire department of the city, now the Ministry of Emergency Situations Colonel (by the way, the same "special rank") to move to the motorized rifle regiment ....
        Just in the 1943 year, recertification was caused by the unification of insignia and military uniforms. And the commissar of the 3 rank became the lieutenant general of state security (special rank) ... And if something happened, not a single one of this general would have put the corps command in life .... Here you are, dear Andrei, and the difference between military and special ranks ...
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 12 May 2018 12: 07
          +1
          Quote: moskowit
          And if something happens, not a single one of this general would have put him in command of a corps in life ....

          And the general aviation put to command infantry case? No,
          Quote: moskowit
          in life would not have put ...

          Here you have the difference in the seemingly identical military ranks.
          Quote: moskowit
          ... conditionally ... "

          Conditionally from the beginning, it became unconditional in 1944. Com 2 ranks were re-certified by him as lieutenant general and the author could well use this title.
          1. moskowit
            moskowit 12 May 2018 12: 17
            +6
            Have you carefully read what I wrote? Generals of aviation, tank troops and artillery commanded corps by the type of troops ....
            In 1943, the highest ranks of the GB received only epaulets and insignia identical to the Red Army, and their titling continued as before, by the commissioners until the 6 of July 1945 of the year, when the highest rank in the GB began to be limited to Colonel-General, and the general commissar and commissar of 1 rank were removed. Accordingly, and address these persons with a hoist in rank. Therefore, Beria was awarded the title Marshal of the Soviet Union, and Serov was a general army general ...
            1. Sanya Terek
              Sanya Terek 12 May 2018 17: 55
              +5
              Quote: moskowit
              Have you carefully read what I wrote? Generals of aviation, tank troops and artillery commanded corps by the type of troops ....
              In 1943, the highest ranks of the GB received only epaulets and insignia identical to the Red Army, and their titling continued as before, by the commissioners until the 6 of July 1945 of the year, when the highest rank in the GB began to be limited to Colonel-General, and the general commissar and commissar of 1 rank were removed. Accordingly, and address these persons with a hoist in rank. Therefore, Beria was awarded the title Marshal of the Soviet Union, and Serov was a general army general ...

              Nikolai Ivanovich, Olgovich is not a reader, he is a "writer". For him, a careful reading of someone else's text is not necessary.
              1. moskowit
                moskowit 12 May 2018 18: 02
                +7
                Apparently you are right ... We have similar ones at work. Only they are not "writers" but "deaf" talkers. Conversation, dialogue with them is not possible; they only "grind" their own, without perceiving any arguments. They simply simply "don’t hear" their vis-a-vis, and that characteristically they are not going to hear ....
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 13 May 2018 08: 53
                  0
                  Quote: moskowit
                  Apparently you are right ... We have similar ones at work. Only they are not "writers" but "deaf" talkers. Conversation with them, dialogue they are not possible "grind"only his own, not accepting any arguments. Just simply" do not hear "your vis-a-vis, and that is characteristically not going to hear ....

                  A job full of talkers? belay Now your mastery in empty chatter is clear.
                  The commissars of the 3rd rank were renamed lieutenant generals and the author could well call Lyushkov so, especially since Lyushkov was still alive at that moment. Although, of course, it was in 1937 that he was not.
                  Your quibbling to the author is NOT significant and shows your desire to show yourself, not the desire for truth.
                  1. moskowit
                    moskowit 13 May 2018 12: 29
                    +2
                    the author could well have called Lyushkov so, especially since Lyushkov was still alive at that moment.

                    In court, your client was "deprived of ranks and nobility," so your efforts in favor of Lyushkov are unfounded. The conversation becomes pointless, because you don’t understand that the employees of the law enforcement agencies are not military personnel and the consonance of the ranks is by no means equal ... I send you emoticons with which you tried to insult me ​​... fool fool fool They clearly express your mental state ....
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 13 May 2018 13: 48
                      0
                      Quote: moskowit
                      By court Your the client was "deprived of ranks and nobility", so your creeps in favor of Lyushkov are groundless.

                      My?! belay
                      1. This is YOUR “hero”, as well as other “tailors” Rhodes, Berg and others
                      commissars of various ranks ..
                      2. What are my "creeps" in what? Speak clearly: you're not at your job full of talkers
                      Quote: moskowit
                      The conversation becomes pointless

                      It was originally pointless on your part, and precisely from the moment when you found fault with the author on an insignificant trifle.
                      Quote: moskowit
                      employees of law enforcement agencies are not military personnel and the consonance of ranks in no way not parity

                      Where was the opposite stated? Did we talk about this? belay It was about the correctness of the use of the title "Lieutenant General" to Lyushkov.

                      One more time:
                      1. Commissars of the 3rd rank, of which there were crates in 37 g, became, as a result, lieutenant generals. Lyushkov them, without a reason, was not in the 37th year.
                      2. But, given the first sentence, this was not such an inaccuracy, which the author needed to be indicated, and even in the form of reproaches, IMHO.
                      Quote: moskowit
                      Zosim I am sending you the emoticons with which you tried to offend me ..

                      My name is Andrey, not Zosim. If you tried to write in Russian, then spell correctly "Zasim", and do not distort the language.
                      Quote: moskowit
                      I am sending you emoticons with which you tried to offend me ... They clearly express your mental state.

                      You should think about insults when you used
                      "and" deaf "talkers ... they" grind, ".." bunny "
                      . And they, nevertheless, talk about mental abilities, but it is precisely those who use these "definitions."

                      They spoke with you quite correctly and only about the subject of conversation, without going over the discussion of the "mental abilities" of the opponent.
                      ASK, I take my leave .........
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 13 May 2018 08: 39
                0
                Quote: Sanya Tersky
                Nikolai Ivanovich, Olgovich is not a reader, he is a "writer". For him, a careful reading of someone else's text is not necessary.

                What do you disagree with in my answer to the Muscovite?
                It was about the fact that the author allegedly incorrectly called the commissar of the 3rd rank lieutenant general. But they were eventually re-certified by decree.

                You obvious
                Quote: Sanya Tersky
                not a reader, but a "writer."
                .
                Nothing to say, it's better to shut up.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 13 May 2018 08: 24
              0
              Quote: moskowit
              Have you carefully read what I wrote? Generals of aviation, tank troops and artillery commanded corps by the type of troops ....

              Let's take it carefully. You wrote:
              Identity ranks in the Red Army implies execution similar responsibilities
              “Identity” cannot mean “fulfillment”. You in Russian write to start. For example: "identity of the title implies the IDENTITY of the duties performed. And they will understand you.
              Quote: moskowit
              In 1943, the highest ranks of the GB received only epaulets and insignia identical to the Red Army, and their titling continued as before, to

              06.07.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX by decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR "On ranks, uniforms and insignia of the commanding staff of the People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs and the People’s Commissariat of State Security of the USSR" the special ranks of the chief of staff of the NKVD and the NKGB were replaced by combined arms rank.

              In this regard, awarded the military rank of lieutenant general

              What is again incomprehensible?
              1. moskowit
                moskowit 13 May 2018 08: 53
                +3
                Who is assigned to Lyushkov ??? Do you, bunny, feel normal?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 13 May 2018 09: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: moskowit
                  Who is assigned to Lyushkov ???

                  WHERE is mentioned in Lyushkov regarding this Decree ??? fool
                  The commissars of the 3rd rank became, as a result, lieutenant generals, respectively, the author did NOT write anything terribly seditious.
                  Yours, a lover of hares, the nit-picking of the author, thus, is insignificant and shows only your desire to stick yourself out, not the desire to establish the truth.
                  WHAT is again incomprehensible? request
        2. gsev
          gsev 16 May 2018 03: 59
          0
          Almost the chief employee of state security agencies in the Far East escaped. The main military man in the Far East seemed to be Marshal Blucher. So, conditionally, the commissioner of the 3rd rank of state security can be equated to the marshal for that time and place. And then Lyushkov had more power than Blucher.
    3. moskowit
      moskowit 12 May 2018 16: 04
      +7
      And one more problem ...
      that already in 19 years he became the commissar of the 14-th Separate shock army.

      In several biographies on the Internet, this period of life is voiced differently ..
      He served in the Red Army as a Red Army soldier, political student, and head of the political department. Political instructor of the shock separate brigade of the 14 Army.

      Agree, dear Author, the big difference between the Commissioner of the Army and the political instructor of the brigade? Moreover, in the Civil War there were no shock armies ....
      1. Curious
        Curious 12 May 2018 23: 04
        +2
        There are a lot of such discrepancies in the article.
    4. Monarchist
      Monarchist 12 May 2018 20: 59
      +1
      Moskvit, I’m not going to “write” for V.O., thank God he’s already a “bigger boy” and he will answer, but I don’t agree with your analogy with the police major: 1) Your “sergeant” has been an urgent person for more than twenty years back and as a machine gun crew commander will be inferior to the young sergeant. If I were a unit commander, I would have checked well that such a “sergeant” is capable, maybe he already forgot what a machine gun looks like, or maybe he already has 8 pounds? 2) It seems to me that it is not rational to use a police major as a machine gun commander calculation. Judge for yourself: the major is already a senior officer and he already "ate the dog" (I wonder where the expression came from) in his case. 3) how historically: the police, the militia, we are militarized, and if, God forbid, a serious mess begins, the police will form regiments and divisions by analogy with the divisions of the NKVD
      1. Sanya Terek
        Sanya Terek 13 May 2018 01: 39
        +2
        Quote: Monarchist
        ... I do not agree with your analogy with the police major: 1) Your "sergeant" served urgently some twenty years ago and as a machine-gun crew commander will be inferior to the young sergeant. If I were a unit commander, I would have checked well that such a “sergeant” is capable, maybe he already forgot what a machine gun looks like, or maybe he already weighs 8 pounds?

        Even if he served an emergency service more than twenty years ago, then with normally organized combat training in a military unit, he will remember (master) the machine gun quickly. More than once was a witness when a contractor from scratch mastered work on artillery or anti-aircraft systems. A machine gun is easier.
        And the capabilities of this sergeant in the subjects of combat training are checked monthly, during control exercises. Those who show unsatisfactory results are sent back to "develop a capitalist economy."
        Quote: Monarchist
        2) It seems to me that it is not rational to use the police major as a machine gun crew commander. Judge for yourself: the major is already a senior officer and he already “ate the dog” (I wonder where the expression came from) in his case.

        Major is a senior police officer (an operative, or a district police officer, or ...). And he "ate the dog" precisely in the police specialty, but in the army there are no such specialties. Even as a platoon commander (although the SDK "major" is the position of deputy battalion commander), he is zero. So he serves in his military specialty.
        Quote: Monarchist
        3) how historically: the police, the militia, we are militarized, and if, God forbid, a serious mess begins, the police will form regiments and divisions by analogy with the divisions of the NKVD

        During the Great Patriotic War, the main tasks of the militia personnel were to carry out operations on the liquidation of landing parties, sabotage groups, as well as Wehrmacht units operating in the Soviet rear.
        At the front there was the ONLY division formed from exclusively staffed police officers from Moldova, Ukraine, the Krasnodar Territory and Rostov Region (the division commander was former deputy chief of the police department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Moldavian SSR, police captain P.A. Orlov).
        A separate motorized rifle brigade for special purposes of the NKVD of the USSR trained special groups of policemen to conduct sabotage operations behind enemy lines.
        The NKVD divisions mainly consisted of border units and units of the internal troops, staff militiamen there made up a small percentage.
      2. moskowit
        moskowit 13 May 2018 07: 58
        +4
        No need to take it literally. According to the law, a reserve serviceman has a VUS, which is recorded on a military ID. After mobilization, each serves in accordance with the assigned VUS. And if the colonel of the Ministry of Emergencies was a tank mechanic and later did not undergo retraining at the training camp, then his military-industrial college remained the same. And if you please, Comrade Junior Sergeant, sit down at the levers of the tank ....
      3. moskowit
        moskowit 13 May 2018 08: 01
        +4
        what such a “sergeant” is capable of, perhaps he has already forgotten what a machine gun looks like, or maybe he already has 8 pounds in weight?

        And for this there are spare parts where military qualifications come to light in a short time ...
  6. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 12 May 2018 10: 50
    +2
    Thus, with his treason, he won seven years of life and nothing more.

    Well, it just didn’t work out, there was a chance, I just could not use it. In addition, no one saw his corpse, all from the words of Japanese officers who for some reason announced two versions of his death. His corpse was allegedly burned, the question is why the heck? They had nothing to do? Well, there is a version that he moved to the United States, where he died in 1968.
  7. kig
    kig 12 May 2018 10: 58
    +2
    all right, but: the rank of lieutenant general was not in the NKVD
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 12 May 2018 18: 59
    0
    Quote: kalibr
    Material about Raskolnikov is ready. Waiting for the line. It turned out very interesting. I am currently working on the novel “Four Crosses for the Pan of a Soviet Officer.” About his adoptive father, who just at that time began his spy career. There will be about our intelligence of the prewar years. Well ... it was impossible to do without Lyushkov and Raskolnikov ... such an era! And from what went into the book articles about them were born.

    It will be interesting to read
  9. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 12 May 2018 21: 05
    +7
    The note was somewhat late with the publication. She would be in the “Spark” of the time of the chief editor Korotich.
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 13 May 2018 08: 03
      +3
      Yes, yes there was a similar article about Bazhanov ....
  10. Curious
    Curious 12 May 2018 21: 17
    +3
    “And as soon as the“ revolution ”took place, as a young party member was at work in the Cheka. And then the“ social elevator ”carried him higher and higher, because he was a competent, devoted and efficient person.”
    He got into the Cheka already in 1920. Before that, in December 1917 - January 1918 he took part in street battles during an attempt by the Bolsheviks to seize power in Odessa. From January 1918 to February 1919 - underground, then arrest, escape. He studied at the Central military-political courses in Kiev, received the title of responsible political worker.
    Since May 1919 - assistant to the military organizer at the Kiev provincial committee of the CP (b) U.
  11. Monarchist
    Monarchist 12 May 2018 21: 36
    0
    There is a simplified determination of nationality by name. Jews - Jacob, Lazari, Russian - Ivanovich, Germans - Henry, Franz. In this case, Lyushkov or Yagoda are not Jews, but Germans?
    With the repressions of the 30s, far from everything is clear: there was also an elementary "subseral" and the struggle for power was all. But some raise doubts: N. I. Bukharin is the “favorite of the party” (Lenin), and according to Lenin’s works published in 70-80, Bukharin is “Leninist,” and Stalin is “radish.” We must take into account the nuances
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 13 May 2018 07: 51
      +4
      In this case, Lyushkov or Yagoda are not Jews, but Germans?

      Yeah. True Bavarians or Mecklenburgers ... Descendants of those who came with Napoleon ... You, Labinsky Glory, look at their portraits ... Well, just purebred Aryans ... laughing good
  12. Curious
    Curious 12 May 2018 21: 37
    +4
    “Therefore, it is hardly necessary to be surprised that at the age of 19 he became the commissar of the 14th Separate Shock Army. At the age of 20 he was already the deputy chief of the Cheka in Tiraspol, and in 1924 he became the head of the secret political department in the central republican apparatus of the GPU in Kharkov . "
    Lyushkov was never the commissar of any armies. In September 1919 he was placed at the disposal of the political department of the 14th Army and was sent to Oryol as commissioner of the First Separate Rifle Brigade.
    The deputy head of the Tiraspol Cheka was never. He was the head of the information and registration part of the secret department in the Tiraspol Cheka.
    The head of the secret-political department was not for lack thereof.
    Since October 1925 he was the head of the information department of the secret operational management.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, where did you get such hackneyed information. Not otherwise, Olgovich prepared an article for you, so that later it would be convenient to frolic in the comments.
    And about the death. At the end of World War II Lyushkov disappeared. There are several versions, but none have documented evidence. The version that the Japanese shot him was the most common, no more.
    1. kalibr
      12 May 2018 23: 09
      0
      According to various sources, Viktor Nikolaevich. The most different ... and for a long time, not a day, but mn-o-th days. So she was so ... inaccurate. And I used to write articles myself. And if with someone, then I must indicate this.
      1. Curious
        Curious 12 May 2018 23: 26
        +3
        Well, about the co-author, I joked that to emphasize, so to speak. But the information is really that ... not that ... Odessa Jews are a pity for the fellow countryman.
  13. Monarchist
    Monarchist 12 May 2018 21: 56
    +2
    I understood correctly: Blucher ts "showed vigilance" and tapped where necessary on Lyushkov? Perhaps Lyushkov began to dig under Blucher, but he got ahead?
    1. Curious
      Curious 12 May 2018 23: 40
      +3
      Follow Blucher Lyushkov was charged with responsibility. And Blucher knew this very well.
  14. kalibr
    12 May 2018 23: 06
    0
    Quote: Reptiloid
    They themselves have long considered themselves entitled to execute and rob everyone.

    Perhaps they have reason for this?
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 13 May 2018 14: 28
      +3
      Quote: kalibr
      Perhaps they have reason for this?

      Of course have. After all, the 90s coup alone is what the politics of Gorbachev and Yeltsin led to the weakening of the Russian Federation, reduced its credibility in the world. Betrayal, uranium deal 92-93gg, with Russia ----- this is unilateral nuclear disarmament, the sale of 90% of all uranium, when it was not necessary. This was done so that the drunk would remain in power and he could support the staff.
      1. kalibr
        13 May 2018 17: 23
        0
        Did you watch the hegemon of kuda? The new historical community of people is the Soviet people ... Kuda was staring ... why not stop it? He didn’t go to mass protests, did not demand impeachment ...
        Our ancestors were smarter. The saying was: "Do not fight with the strong, do not reach with the rich." And we are poor and weak, and ... stupid. And we stretch, and fight, and rake for it to the fullest, and even wonder.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 13 May 2018 23: 08
          +2
          Well, Vyacheslav Olegovich, you surprise me. WHAT ANCESTORS WHOSE? Some merchants in which ancient market --- do not fight with the strong. ..... or someone else.
          Russia, USSR, RF ---- 400 years of opposition to the collective west.
          Well, and the nomenclature that surrendered the country, did it become equal to the Western oligarchs? No, it didn’t and will not, because nobody needs such.
          1. kalibr
            14 May 2018 07: 47
            0
            I repeat ... HEGEMON WHERE WATCHED?
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 14 May 2018 13: 06
              +3
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, I’m embarrassed to answer, otherwise someone will come and say that ....... I can only add that there is no socialism at all. How many names are socialist and much more. But now do not write for technical reasons. Then.
  15. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 13 May 2018 01: 57
    +8
    Another Shpakovsky libel to the USSR, the NKVD, which poured balm only on the heart of Olgievich.
    The author showed complete ignorance of the History of the USSR, he strongly relied on his sources - I will not repeat all his punctures, Muscovite wrote about this very well. I agree with him, I will focus only on the characteristics of libel.
    As always compilation and rewrite. Moreover, it is clear that the author was in a hurry, he could not miss the Victory Day. In addition to mistakes, to enhance the impression, he made a lot of exaggerations, for example, he writes that Lyushkov gave the Japanese the entire Soviet intelligence network in the Far East.
    But in the "source" from which Shpakovsky drew his "inspiration" https://topwar.ru/37608-samyy-vysokopostavlennyy-
    predatel-perebezhchik-v-istorii-sssr.html)
    ,
    it is written that Lyushkov passed all the agents of the Far Eastern Territory that he knew. Feel the difference?
    And it’s unlikely that he knew many agents, because another agency works with agents, and only curators know about them.
    Therefore, the author is minus.
    1. kalibr
      13 May 2018 07: 28
      0
      You, Green, are completely different from senility. The meaning of the word "Pasquil" is such an essay containing caricature distortions, slander and vicious attacks, the purpose of which is to insult and discredit any person, group, party ... And where is the caricature distortion? He was not the NKVD HIGH OFFICE? WAS! Stalin himself did not accept him? I took it! On the side of the enemy did he cross? MOVED! So a traitor !!! And he gave out a lot of people or a little - does not play a role! Everything, not the whole network ... Also, I have a "daisy" ... There is no sturgeon of the second freshness! Do you understand? And no exaggeration or exaggeration here obscures the main thing: HIGH CHIN NKVD as he learned that his accomplices want to throw him, so they threw them, spitting on all the declared communist ideals. And he did the right thing, by the way, since a living dog is better than a dead lion. It was? IT WAS! Did the fact have a place? HAD !!! And in particular ... yes, do not care about them. You still rebuke me that I didn’t know what buttons his pants were fastened on ... Like, such ignorance is unforgivable to a historian!
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 13 May 2018 12: 38
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        The meaning of the word "Pasquille" is such - this is an composition containing caricature distortions, slander and vicious attacks, the purpose of which is to insult and compromise any person, group, party ..

        According to Ozhegov, libel is a slanderous essay with offensive attacks. All this is present in your opus; against the backdrop of real betrayal of Lyushkov, as always, you are throwing mud on the USSR and the NKVD.
        Quote: kalibr
        I didn’t know what buttons his pants were fastened on ...

        If you didn’t wear such pants, then you really can’t know about the buttons, and probably not on the Internet, but the ranks in the Red Army and the NKVD could have been verified with the Internet. We were too lazy or in a hurry to lay out our opus.
        1. kalibr
          13 May 2018 17: 07
          0
          Accuracy here is important only in one thing - THE TOP OFFICIAL OF THE NKVD TRADER. This is important, but the ranks and ranks - but what's the difference ... And how can you insult a traitor? Look how you intercede for yours. It's a shame that the son of the tailor, who wholeheartedly accepted Soviet values, did the same for them. Hence, all this flea catching about inaccuracies ... you need to look at the root how one here likes to write. And the root is this: he is a communist and he is a conscious TRADER, who understood everything correctly and consciously betrayed. And by the way, I don’t blame him for that. Stewed in such a shit ... well, who do you have to be in order to get a club with ribs for that? Yes, here the Japanese will be brothers brothers. So he thought and chose the least of two evils. And those who were dumber, like sheep went under the knife of a mustached tyrant. Well, raked to the fullest. But someone could have hit him and prespapya ... However, in the end, after all, anyway they "hit". The revolution she eats her children, the French still noticed, and someone betrayed her. It has always been and always will be!
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 13 May 2018 21: 47
            +2
            Quote: kalibr
            The accuracy here is important only in one thing - THE NKVD SUPREME CHIEF is a TRAITOR. This is important, but the ranks and ranks - but what's the difference ... And how can you insult a traitor?

            First, about accuracy: Lyushkov had tall rank. but not supreme. Secondly, if you insulted only the traitor, I would have said nothing, but you insulted the USSR, the NKVD, socialism.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 13 May 2018 22: 54
              +2
              Good evening, Alexander! While I can not fully formulate the idea, I hope you will help. I had to get some officials now. I won’t surname. Steal, violations are different. But these are the real capitalists who violated the capitalist laws and were subjected! If according to the logic of Vyacheslav, then --- is there anything to be afraid of --- they betrayed the ideas of capitalism! FSEPROPALO! Capitalism will now disappear forever, and the names of those who betrayed capitalism will be forever in the memory of descendants ....... Well, somehow .....
              1. kalibr
                14 May 2018 07: 45
                0
                Perverted logic, Dmitry. Well betrayed, so what? Robert Clive scooped up 200 thousand pounds and said in court - "I had the opportunity and still wonder at his modesty!" Executed! Yes, executed! But ... they erected a monument. "For the great and worthy services rendered to the British crown!" So stealing and betraying is ... normal! This is inherent in people. But one system is worth a century, although it is stolen, and the other did not live up to the 75 anniversary. Think about it.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 14 May 2018 08: 17
                  +2
                  So, capitalism was not built in half a year, and it has not taken ~~ 200 years since the beginning of time. Because who did something wrong ---- has nothing to do with the system. And to the restoration of socialism, both you and Vojaka, someone's brother know perfectly well. By the way, although our state is now bourgeois-liberal, but socialism ---- it has not completely died, it is very close.
                  1. kalibr
                    14 May 2018 18: 39
                    0
                    So the Stone Age also did not die! 13 hours by plane to Brazil, then by boat across the Amazon ... Or to Papua in New Guinea, there, too, no one canceled it. Won in Denmark is almost "complete socialism", in the same Sweden. But there the culture is different and, by the way, Denmark is the most drinking country in Europe, like the USSR in the past. And now we have alcohol consumption declining from year to year.
                    And think again - 200 years and ... survived. And then 74 - and everything collapsed. Why did it happen?
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 15 May 2018 02: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: kalibr
                      think again - 200 years and ... survived. And then 74 - and everything collapsed. Why's that?

                      "Dear historian," but can you tell me how long the first French Republic lasted, which was formed after the capture of the Bastille and the fall of the monarchy? You probably should know that the monarchy was restored in France again, and only the revolutions of 1830, 1848 and 1870 returned the bourgeois republic.
                      So it is with socialism: the first wave is not a wave yet - the storm will come.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 15 May 2018 07: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        ..... but can you tell me how long the first French Republic lasted, which was formed after the capture of the Bastille ........... that the monarchy was restored in France again, ....
                        So it is with socialism: the first wave is not a wave yet - the storm will come.
                        St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region, Yekaterinburg and the Sverdlovsk region ..... there are many examples. But for me, the most interesting ones are Bakunin Avenue and the names dedicated to Uritsky in different places. Interestingly, these names, in honor of Uritsky, are very modern in the Russian Federation, and not long-standing, socialist .. Although I have not read anything about Uritsky yet.
                      2. kalibr
                        15 May 2018 14: 35
                        0
                        Then there were no six-barreled machine guns with a rate of 6000 rounds per minute. There is no reception against this scrap. But the main thing is the density of the flow of information. At that time they did not know this. But we know it now.
                      3. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 16 May 2018 22: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        ...... how long the first French Republic lasted, ........... only the revolutions of 1830, 1848 and 1870 returned the bourgeois republic.
                        So it is with socialism: the first wave is not a wave yet - the storm will come.
                        Yeah, only ~~ 70 years a bourgeois republic was established in one separate country. And no one said that this sucks and the bourgeois revolution will never triumph
                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 15 May 2018 02: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      You probably should know that the monarchy was restored in France again, and only the revolutions of 1830, 1848 and 1870 returned the bourgeois republic.

                      Is it to restore the monarchy in France or to the fact that there was no communism-socialism? all of quebec for lol
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 15 May 2018 21: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        Is it to restore the monarchy in France or to the fact that there was no communism-socialism? all of quebec for

                        For especially dull: This is to the fact that everything new does not immediately make its way, there is a struggle between the new and the old with victories and defeats. Dialectics.
                      2. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE 15 May 2018 23: 59
                        0
                        and on which side do they adapt it to the guillotine?
                      3. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 17 May 2018 00: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        and on which side do they adapt it to the guillotine?

                        Previously, in Quebec, almost everyone knew what dialectics is, a young man is degrading.
                      4. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE 17 May 2018 00: 45
                        0
                        you did not answer
                        probably because there’s almost nowhere else to go
                      5. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 17 May 2018 00: 49
                        +2
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        you did not answer

                        You are very lazy at the extra, work a little, maybe you are lucky and you will find the answer you need to your stupid question.
                    3. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 15 May 2018 05: 05
                      +2
                      Quote: kalibr
                      ...... And now we have alcohol consumption .....
                      And think again - 200 years and ... survived. And then 74 - and everything collapsed. Why did it happen?
                      Not everything is so simple, I assure you. If you read what was modern, Vyacheslav Olegovich, you would read that back in 2012 at a forum in Davos, Klaus Schwab said that capitalism ““ no longer corresponds to the world around us ””. From that moment from time to time on this subject, here and there ... For 200 years, capitalism has been "born", and it will not die on the same day. So socialism ---- the terms of human life are incomparable with the life of systems, 70 years ---- this is nothing.
                      Well, about reducing alcohol consumption ---- it was said by Professor Gundarov, which I spoke about below. Also, data on how the destruction of the USSR affected demography. This long-term statistics corresponds to the post-Soviet space.
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 18 May 2018 18: 23
            +1
            Quote: kalibr
            However, in the end, all the same, they "hit". The revolution she eats her children, the French still noticed, and someone betrayed her. It has always been and always will be!
            Of course, the bourgeois revolution will always eat its children. What is still visible in the population of the Russian Federation and neighboring countries over the past 28 years.
            After all, the 90s is February.
  16. Monarchist
    Monarchist 13 May 2018 07: 56
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    Quote: Curious
    Follow Blucher Lyushkov was charged with responsibility. And Blucher knew this very well.

    And accordingly reacted
  17. kalibr
    13 May 2018 17: 39
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    Quote: mrark
    Now I recommend Kalibr. Health to you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    Reply Quote Complaint MrARC

    There are shooting lists signed personally by Stalin. So what are you talking about?
  18. aakvit
    aakvit 14 May 2018 01: 21
    +1
    White and red!
    You have no more nonsense because of anything: It ALL HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN - and it has passed!
    And we, our children and grandchildren, to live on and to fulfill the most important task - not to shame YOUR honor and save OUR Motherland!
    Enough guys!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 14 May 2018 06: 58
      +2
      Quote: aakvit
      All this was, it was, it was - and it's gone! ....... Guys, that's enough!

      From the desire to cross out and forget, nothing is crossed out and is not forgotten, but will be somewhere inside with severe pain. From time to time I meet people who are hysterical when talking about the USSR. And almost 30 years have passed. Akademik Gundarov Igor Alekseevich, doctor of medical sciences, professor, member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, a lot of things on this subject. That ---- not to survive. In a literal sense.
  19. kalibr
    14 May 2018 07: 39
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    Quote: Reptiloid
    Russia, USSR, RF ---- 400 years of opposition to the collective west.

    Do not read Samsonov, you will be smarter ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 14 May 2018 08: 04
      +2
      Too shy to ask. Vyacheslav Olegovich, but in addition to Samsonov, who publishes articles on VO, YOU and
      probably read other authors. Indeed, you taught history. Remember please.
      1. kalibr
        14 May 2018 18: 41
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        Do not be shy. To a direct question - a direct answer. I now, Dmitry, do not read other authors, except on VO. Once. I write it myself ... and it seems to be nice. Publishers are in line.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 May 2018 11: 01
          +2
          Quote: kalibr
          Do not be shy. To a direct question - a direct answer. I now, Dmitry, do not read other authors, except on VO. Sometime.
          Maybe it would be worth it. Then you would understand me about 400 years. But there are other authors who are opposed, so to speak. How long ago the collected works of Krasnov have been published. I was surprised to find out about this once. And also there are adventures.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 May 2018 04: 36
      +2
      Quote: kalibr
      Do not read Samsonov, you will be smarter ...
      Still smarter ?? !!
  20. kalibr
    14 May 2018 07: 46
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    Quote: Alexander Green
    Lyushkov had a high rank. but not supreme.

    What's the difference? Vlasov was also not a marshal!
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 15 May 2018 02: 25
      +2
      Quote: kalibr
      What's the difference? Vlasov was also not a marshal!

      And you have declared the figure of 20 thousand repressed security officials - against the real 3 thousand (not the fact that everyone was shot or convicted) - the difference is more than 6 times, also without the difference?
  21. kalibr
    15 May 2018 14: 36
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    Reptiloid,
    And do not read! Those bastards were still ...
  22. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 20 May 2018 15: 26
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    Quote: tred
    Quote: avt
    And when will you, about the fact that Raskolnikov will not forget to mention Trotsky’s creature?

    So Ulyanov was a creature of Trotsky. After all, it was Trotsky who made the October revolution. And then he put Ulyanov as a wedding general.
    But the "general" outwitted him and for some time he stayed the main one. Until they banged. And, as it were, the Bolshevik comrades themselves.

    Yes, Lenin-Ulyanov did not die from injury. but from syphilis. And the party comrades have nothing to do with it. And these comrades dragged gold abroad to old age, and then the Georgian came and built everyone.
  23. UltraRed
    UltraRed 22 May 2018 10: 41
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    And he did the right thing, by the way, since a living dog is better than a dead lion.

    With a person PUBLICALLY positioning a similar moral and ethical norm as his credo, there is nothing to discuss, and indeed there is nothing to talk about!
    Somehow breaks through vomiting .......
    It is remembered as Art. Lieutenant M., who refused to go “to war” in the Chechen Republic (I / 1995), his wife hid for three days in the room of the officer’s dormitory from the eyes of the families of those who went .......
    Lord, how did Vissarionitch and Pavlovich with you, SUCH, it was hard ......
    Please note that in OUR country (for now, the ex-RSFSR, look further at the USSR), in the foreseeable future, it will probably become uncomfortable for SUCH ones, however, there are trends (primarily in the collective unconscious ..... :)) ..... .
    Therefore, lay the shortest route to the nearest embassy in your smartphone - it may come in handy ......
    ..... Seven years to deceive fate ..... laughing
  24. UltraRed
    UltraRed 22 May 2018 10: 56
    +2
    Quote: Dzafdet

    Yes, Lenin-Ulyanov did not die from injury. but from syphilis.

    In perestroika childhood, did parents read Korotich’s “Twinkle” at night?
    As if everything had been declassified ..... But the imprinting of perestroika fairy tales - the thing turns out to be no weaker than the habit of "windows" (os windows)
    ...... laughing
  25. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 23 May 2018 08: 22
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    Vile man! And disgusting not because he fled (if I knew that I was in danger of being arrested and shot, I would also not sit still for a long time) but because in the place of quiet living abroad, he began to serve the enemy, and moreover, at the most difficult hour for the motherland.
    When you read the stories of 37 and 38 years and indeed defectors, you involuntarily imagine yourself as a participant in those events. You think what I would do in the place of those who lived then. He also considered emigration, but emigration was quiet, and certainly not related to working for foreign intelligence.
  26. Snoop
    Snoop 1 October 2018 12: 39
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    For some reason, the author did not mention that this comrade convinced the Japanese that there was a conspiracy against the Stalin among the military. Blucher some comrades proposed to be the people's commissar of defense in the new government.