Deadline for Deripaska. The expert assessed the prospects of "aluminum" sanctions

The decision of the US Treasury to extend the exit period for investors from the Russian aluminum business demonstrates the readiness of the American administration to listen to the weighty arguments of its partners, leads RIA News opinion of Vadim Iosuba, senior analyst at Alpari.

Earlier on Wednesday, the US Treasury extended the period allotted to investors for termination of business or ownership of assets Rusal, En +, Gaz until June 6 (initial term - May 7).

According to the expert, this newsundoubtedly positive.

Firstly, this indicates a slightly softer sanctions policy. It can be seen that Washington is ready in some matters to soften the effect of sanctions, listening to the reasonable arguments of at least its European allies that it is impossible to leave these assets in the initial terms without serious losses. Secondly, we must remember the recent statements by Washington that these sanctions are not so much against the aluminum business, but personally against Oleg Deripaska,

said yosub.

And in the case of business restructuring, reduction of the share of the oligarch disgraced in the West, business sanctions can be lifted altogether. And the extension of time creates in this question additional space for maneuvers,

he believes.

In early April, the United States introduced new sanctions against the Russian Federation, for the first time blacklisting (SDN list), including large Russian companies controlled by Oleg Deripaska, Rusal and En +. Inclusion in this list means blocking assets in the United States and a ban on any business with these companies for US citizens. At the same time, the US Finance Ministry made it clear that they could lift the sanctions from Rusal if Deripaska gives up control of the business.

Comments

[Irokez]

At the same time, the US Ministry of Finance made it clear that they could lift the sanctions from Rusal if Deripaska abandoned control of the business.

What is it like? Give us and sleep peacefully?

[Observer2014]

It’s interesting if you want to be the kind of person in us in the West who wants to see and plant the whole Perezidsky Bay with nuclear mushrooms under any convenient pretext. Why will all this joy including aluminum cost in the morning?

[Same lech]

According to the expert, this news is undoubtedly positive.

The bourgeois bourgeois pushes around ... there is a bickering over a tidbit of the aluminum business and frankly I do not understand how this will affect the wallet of an ordinary citizen of RUSSIA.

[moskowit]

Everything is as usual ... Oil is growing, the ruble is falling ... And what about the Hamanian, whoever needs to be swollen, and soon the people will not need at all .... There will be nothing to put there ...

[Tusv]

Quote: moskowit

Everything is as usual ... Oil is growing, the ruble is falling ...

I will supplement it. The ruble is strengthening - gasoline is growing. Until my neurons will behave restlessly They chose a normal condom, and not a woman’s yaga, and they pay us for the pre-term? The goat husband sniffed them all

[mac789]

Krasava !!! Rhythm !!!

[Sergey-8848]

By the way, if oil falls, the ruble also falls. Only the price of gasoline rushing and rushing.

[_Sergei_]

When Deripaska arrived, salaries there increased at times. He raised RUSAL. And it could have turned out like with other factories - some ruins. At APZ, everyone was proud that they were shareholders. Then they sat for 10 years with a beggarly salary, and now the ruins.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: _Sergey_

When Deripaska arrived, salaries there increased significantly.

Tell it to the residents of Pikalevo.

[Sergey-8848]

He even stole a fountain pen from them (and they could return it only thanks to the intervention of the GDP). Watch the video of the significant gangway, and you will say that Petrosyan is a freakless malay.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sergey-8848

He even stole a fountain pen from them.

Yes, I remember. Bring the pen back.

[Sergey-8848]

And I'm talking about that ballpoint pen. Our YuUNK was liquidated, finally justifying everything with the prices of the London Exchange (they tormented the plant and workers for a long time, until everyone settled in foggy Albion). And at the same time, for some reason, the same hat was muddied in Voronezh, rejoicing at the protests of the local population, who were resisting the construction of the Byaka in the middle of the black earth region. Now in Orsk there is no work, in Voronezh there is no peace, but in general - everything is fine!

[_Sergei_]

Pikalevo is another enterprise, a cement plant in my opinion. At the beginning of 2000 I worked as a shift and I had a huge salary for those times of 12000 rubles. A master from RUSAL was traveling with me on the train. He said that he had an average salary of some 30000 rubles. And before Deripaska, they wanted to bankrupt the company and turn it into scrap metal.

[Serg65]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I don’t understand how this will affect the wallet of an ordinary citizen of RUSSIA.

What is incomprehensible Alexei, Krasnoyarsk, Bratsk, Boguchansky, Irkutsk, Sayanogorsk, Novokuznetsk, Khakassky, Volgograd, Nadvoitsky, Kandalaksha aluminum plants will stop without financing, thousands of workers will remain without a salary + most plants are city-forming with all the consequences!

[poquello]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I don’t understand how this will affect the wallet of an ordinary citizen of RUSSIA.

What is incomprehensible Alexei, Krasnoyarsk, Bratsk, Boguchansky, Irkutsk, Sayanogorsk, Novokuznetsk, Khakassky, Volgograd, Nadvoitsky, Kandalaksha aluminum plants will stop without financing, thousands of workers will remain without a salary + most plants are city-forming with all the consequences!

what and the world does not need lumin?

[Deck]

The world does not need Deripaska. Can sell. Can free return to the people from whom he "privatized" ..

[Serg65]

Quote: poquello

what and the world does not need lumin?

And who will sell this luminium? Worker Petrov or master Sidorov, or director Petrov? I’m concluding a contract with a Moscow office! There you go Th

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Serg65

And who will sell this luminium?

Sergey,
Here I got tired of already (in this thread) explaining what is really happening with RUSAL.
I will not rewrite, with your permission, just look at the comments, it is "a little lower here."
My (and not only) impression is that everything will be Coca-Cola, but without Deripaska (which, most likely, will also not disappear).
Voooot

[Serg65]

Welcome Roma

Quote: Golovan Jack

there will be Coca-Cola

So I almost the same opinion
It was just a question ... what will happen if ..?
So I painted it if
I’m all thinking, Olezhka for what? I suspect that he was one of the wallets of GDP

[poquello]

Quote: Serg65

And who will sell this luminium?

and there would be a demand, but it is, respectively, through the third or fifth office, it will still go away,)) or it won’t (well, the Boeing somehow managed without our titanium)

[Sergey-8848]

Not a single plant will rise. Do you seriously think that luminosity only flows west? But who the hell is needed there with such costs and piling schemes?

[Merold]

Quote: Sergey-8848

Not a single plant will rise. Do you seriously think that luminosity only flows west? But who the hell is needed there with such costs and piling schemes?

And where will Rusal sell aluminum? And most importantly, where to get the raw materials?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Merold

And where will Rusal sell aluminum?

And where before.

Quote: Merold

And most importantly, where to get the raw materials?

And what is the problem with raw materials?
As I understand it, everything will be as it was. This time, the "sanctioners" bit off a too large piece, and almost choked.
Deripaska’s exit from RUSAL’s business is a purely cosmetic measure, giving the “sanctioners” the opportunity to save face, and the world wide alumina workers — the opportunity to work as if nothing had happened.
That's something like

[Merold]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Merold

And where will Rusal sell aluminum?

And where before.

Oh really? In America, Canada, Europe, and in Asia (if these buyers of Rusal are more or less tied to trade relations with America), he will not be able to sell. And this is 70-80% of the production. Or do you have other information?

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Merold

And most importantly, where to get the raw materials?

And what is the problem with raw materials?

Tell me, why are you trying to comment on something that you do not understand from the word "completely"? Do you know that the raw materials for Rusal come from Guinea, Jamaica, and then processed in Ireland?

Quote: Golovan Jack

Deripaska’s exit from RUSAL’s business is a purely cosmetic measure, giving the “sanctioners” the opportunity to save face, and the world wide alumina workers — the opportunity to work as if nothing had happened.
That's something like

And that is why the Americans increased the term for Rusal to exit the business for their companies until June 7, so that everyone would work "as if nothing had happened"? Yes, you are just an economic guru.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Merold

Americans extended the term for exiting Rusal's business for their companies

Blah blah blah...
I’m talking about this, and this is the main thing:

At the same time, the US Ministry of Finance made it clear that they could lift sanctions from Rusal if Deripaska abandoned control of the business

This has long been "made clear", and has already been discussed.
The original sounds a little more specific:

OFAC will try to get Deripaska to fully divest from RUSAL

 Treasury Throws Russian Aluminum Giant a Lifeline

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlantic
ist / treasury-throws-russian-aluminum-giant-a-life
line # .Wt40CwPi_Kk.twitter

It is impossible to block the same RUSAL without creating significant problems for its Western counterparties.
Hence the "reverse" included by the US Treasury.
You have a ball

[Merold]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Merold

Americans extended the term for exiting Rusal's business for their companies

Blah blah blah...

Blah blah blah these are your statements that they will sell to where they were sold and that there are no problems with raw materials.

Quote: Golovan Jack

I’m talking about this, and this is the main thing:

At the same time, the US Ministry of Finance made it clear that they could lift sanctions from Rusal if Deripaska abandoned control of the business

This has long been "made clear", and has already been discussed.

And where did they "make it clear"? Here is a statement from the US Treasury on April 23. Find it there.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0
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Quote: Golovan Jack

The original sounds a little more specific:

OFAC will try to get Deripaska to fully divest from RUSAL

Sorry in the original, why?

Quote: Golovan Jack

It is impossible to block the same RUSAL without creating significant problems for its Western counterparties.
Hence the "reverse" included by the US Treasury.
You have a ball

You can’t block anyone with whom you are trading without creating problems for yourself. The difference is that Deripaska's problems are much, much more serious. He already has big problems with sales, supplies of raw materials, logistics and financing. And by the time this is all “decided,” he may be left with nothing.
By your own link.

In the meantime, while RUSAL will be able to operate until there is a resolution one way or another on Deripaska's divestment, expect that its operations will be impaired. Its property in the United States will remain blocked, which reduces its asset base and will likely make Western banks hesitant to provide it with financing.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Merold

And where did they "make it clear"? Here is a statement from the US Treasury on April 23. Find it there

Lehko:

“RUSAL has felt the impact of US sanctions because of its entanglement with Oleg Deripaska, but the US government is not targeting the hardworking people who depend on RUSAL and its subsidiaries,” said Treasury Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin. “RUSAL has approached us to petition for delisting. Given the impact on our partners and allies, we are issuing a general license extending the maintenance and wind-down period while we consider RUSAL's petition. ”

It is written, in short, the following:
- we did not want to offend RUSAL and its partners, the problem is in Deripaska itself.
- RUSAL filed a petition for deletion from the sanctions list, we are considering this appeal, and RUSAL can still work.

Quote: Merold

By your own link

So what?
“RUSAL can work until the issue with Deripaska is resolved (!!!). His property in the USA will remain blocked (and how much of that property?), Possibly (!!!), this will make it difficult for RUSAL to lend to Western banks "
Nothing
So, sorry, "there will be no kina." They wanted to scream menacingly, but instead farted loudly.
And, yes, of course, I know absolutely nothing about the topic under discussion

[Merold]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Nothing
So, sorry, "there will be no kina." They wanted to scream menacingly, but instead farted loudly.
And, yes, of course, I know absolutely nothing about the topic under discussion

That would not delay. From Rusal, of course, the sanctions will be lifted, but:
1. Nobody has yet taken off the noose from the neck from Rusal; it was slightly weakened.
2. The channel is currently under sanctions with all the consequences.
3. Those wishing to work with a company under sanctions, with blocked property, a ban on loans and a vague future, certainly will not increase.
4. When Putin merges (and he merges) Deripaska, then all the other oligarchs close to Putin will see that their well-being does not depend on him at all, but on the Americans.
So you and "farted loudly."

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Merold

she was slightly weakened

No longer noose. There is a certain appearance that it is.
This is a balcony PR, what is it - ask Shpakovsky if you yourself are suddenly not in the know.

Quote: Merold

Rusal is currently under sanctions

Again - Galimovy PR. Well, or facts, let's ... but you will break

Quote: Merold

Those wishing to work with the company ... certainly will not increase

But not the fact that it will decrease. Again, nioc.

Quote: Merold

When Putin merges (and he merges) Deripaska, then all the other oligarchs close to Putin will see that their well-being does not depend on him at all, but on the Americans

Not this way. The oligarchs (even if Putin merges, which is not a fact) will see (once again) that they need to seek salvation in the Russian Federation. And not in England, USA, etc., where they are just a tasty piece of meat. Small, tasty and completely defenseless.
And this, IMHO, is the most interesting in this whole story.
That's something like

[poquello]

Quote: Merold

Oh really? In America, Canada, Europe, and in Asia (if these buyers of Rusal are more or less tied to trade relations with America), he will not be able to sell. AND

and you’ll turn your head, move your eyes, you’ll probably come across several products and lumin, on the contrary, if the Russian Federation prohibits selling lumin in the USA, etc. it will be sanctions, and this is real rzhach - that's why the rustle around the world went

[Merold]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Merold

she was slightly weakened

No longer noose. There is a certain appearance that it is.

Well, what is this appearance when it can be tightened at any time?

Quote: Golovan Jack

This is a balcony PR, what is it - ask Shpakovsky if you yourself are suddenly not in

I don’t know who it is. He is until April 23 this year. said that it’s PR and nothing bad will happen to Rusal?

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Merold

Rusal is currently under sanctions

Again - Galimovy PR. Well, or facts, let's ... but you will break

1. The assets and accounts of the company are frozen.
2. Lending is prohibited.
3. The London Stock Exchange has suspended trading in Deripaska's securities.
4. Americans will choose and approve the board of directors of one of the largest Russian companies.
5. If the sanctions of PR and advertising are a move, then why is Deripaska ready to give up control of the company and asks for their cancellation, rather than sneezing at it?

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Merold

Those wishing to work with the company ... certainly will not increase

But not the fact that it will decrease. Again, nioc.

Yeah, all Russian companies that have fallen under sanctions are feeling much better than before they were introduced.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Not this way. The oligarchs (even if Putin merges, which is not a fact) will see (once again) that they need to seek salvation in the Russian Federation. And not in England, USA, etc., where they are just a tasty piece of meat. Small, tasty and completely defenseless.
And this, IMHO, is the most interesting in this whole story.
That's something like

Yeah, that’s exactly what happened all the time after all the calls to return the capital to Russia, after all the tax amnesties and arrests of assets and further threats on similar events abroad. Everyone rushed to seek "salvation in Russia."
PS: Rusal, after the settlement of the conflict will stop working in the west? I believe.

[svp67]

Quote: Merold

And where will Rusal sell aluminum?

As far as I understand, and this issue was vigorously discussed between Merkel and Trump ... this aluminum is too much in German, and in other European products

Quote: Merold

And most importantly, where to get the raw materials?

From the surface and bowels of the earth ... Russia produces bauxite in the Urals, in the Altai and Krasnoyarsk Territories, in one of the districts of the Leningrad Region, nepheline - on the Kola Peninsula.
Here the question must be posed differently, but where will the competitors get it from? The Americans miscalculated a bit, the extraction of raw materials for the production of aluminum, they do not have under control. And here is also another thing: "Alcoa American company in Russia owns two metallurgical plants." Something seems to me that they will have problems ... big problems

[Merold]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Merold

And where will Rusal sell aluminum?

As far as I understand, and this issue was vigorously discussed between Merkel and Trump ... this aluminum is too much in German, and in other European products

Rusal's share in global aluminum sales is around 7%. All competitors will only rejoice at his disappearance.

Quote: svp67

Quote: Merold

And most importantly, where to get the raw materials?

From the surface and bowels of the earth ... Russia produces bauxite in the Urals, in the Altai and Krasnoyarsk Territories, in one of the districts of the Leningrad Region, nepheline - on the Kola Peninsula.

Where does the raw material for Rusal come from? Do you know or poke a finger at the sky?

Quote: svp67

Here the question must be posed differently, but where will the competitors get it from?

Do you want to look at China? And this production is there without canned plants, which can be launched even tomorrow.

Quote: svp67

And here is also another thing: "Alcoa American company in Russia owns two metallurgical plants." Something seems to me that they will have problems ... big problems

Will definitely arise. Let's see what the Americans come up with for them.

[den3080]

I agree that no plant will rise. Lumines will be bought in any way .. For yuan, won, euros, yens ... shekels in the end :)) Well, rubles too - very well.
And the western factories will close - so it’s only a plus. To develop production in Russia and supply Volvo and RollsRoys, for example, finished parts, and not a wire rod as it is now.

[Snakebyte]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

how it will affect the wallet of an ordinary citizen of RUSSIA.

Very easy to reflect. They will buy the company from Deripaska at the expense of the budget, cutting another social article. And at a price that was before the fall. Yes, and previously debts are hung on it. And then they privatize another bourgeois at the current garbage price.

[Tusv]

Well, what. USA, raise rates? Deripaska's savings flow smoothly into "into his structure." I have long been saying that it is necessary to remove all counter-sanctions, except for Poland and the Baltic states. News titan tokmo airbasu, Boeing in the furnace
Oh yes. forgot about the little shaves and the great Sumerians

[moskowit]

... It can be seen that Washington is ready to mitigate the sanctions in some matters ...

The reason is absolutely on the surface .... Striped lads act primarily in their own interests .... Everything else is entourage ....

[samarin1969]

The authors of the message are a little cunning. According to the statement of the US Treasury, these sanctions are primarily against the Russian Federation for its policy in Ukraine (including Crimea). Deripaska, American shareholders and creditors have the opportunity to get out of Russian business. And for this they even extended the time. There is no talk of any “mitigation”.
So far, the “RF” will try to “negotiate” with it, they will act only in such an ultimatum way.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: samarin1969

So far, the “RF” will try to “negotiate” with it, they will act only in such an ultimatum way.

While exports will be carried out in US dollars, they will come from Russia, as with a gas station. For rubles in Spain they will not even build a dog kennel ...

[poquello]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: samarin1969

So far, the “RF” will try to “negotiate” with it, they will act only in such an ultimatum way.

While exports will be carried out in US dollars, they will come from Russia, as with a gas station. For rubles in Spain they will not even build a dog kennel ...

and since when did not cut hard? you don’t need to write such nonsense, they’ll build it perfectly for rubles, and so yes - more should be offered for rubles

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: poquello

perfectly build for rubles

Who! Where? In which of the dreams of Vera Pavlovna?

Quote: poquello

since when did not cut well?

The term hard currency is smoking, we think for a long time ...
Even in some thread of withered Hungary, their forints for rubles will not sell you ... And for the dollars - please.

Quote: poquello

do not write such nonsense

In

[poquello]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: poquello

perfectly build for rubles

Who! Where? In which of the dreams of Vera Pavlovna?

Vera Pavlovna! For profit, dreams are not needed, so the Spanish office will be happy to build a booth for you, but will take into account the costs of transferring currencies.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: poquello

since when did not cut well?

The term hard currency is smoking, we think for a long time ...

That's when we smoke it, then the restrictions on the part of the Russian Federation are lifted, but when we think that the disadvantages of bourgeois services are given out for not squaring the ruble.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Even in some thread of withered Hungary

Wah, and in sunny Brazil there are tribes who don’t know what kind of pieces of paper they are, and I have a card with Euros, and I can’t directly pay for it in the Russian Federation - does this mean that the euro is not SLE?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: poquello

the Spanish office will gladly build a booth for you, but will take into account the costs of currency transfer

That is, it will build it for dollars, but for a fee (called by you the transfer costs) it will also change rubles to dollars. In Moscow, not otherwise

Quote: poquello

restrictions on the part of the Russian Federation lifted

Well, yes ... that's just the world wide directly for the ruble, everything is the same, you can’t get anything sensible ... unless in the face.
This is a medical fact, not

Quote: poquello

shortcomings of bourgeois services

These "services" do not need hemorrhoids with the currency of the state of Vanuatu, for example. Well, at the same time with the ruble

Quote: poquello

and in sunny Brazil ...

... such an abundance.
Stop pulling an owl and troll me to no purpose

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: samarin1969

According to the text of the statement of the US Treasury, these sanctions are primarily against the Russian Federation

A reference do not pamper? It is possible on the original, "I own MOVA."

Quote: samarin1969

There is no talk of any “mitigation”

You are the first from whom I hear it. Once again, request - pamper the reference.

Quote: samarin1969

While the "RF" will try to "negotiate" with it they will act only in such an ultimatum way

Not a fact.
Waiting for a link

[samarin1969]

The site of the US Treasury is quite accessible in Russian ... Press release from 26.01.18/XNUMX/XNUMX.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: samarin1969

Press Release 26.01.18/XNUMX/XNUMX

January? I heard right?
What side are RUSAL and Deripaska personally, can you tell?
And by the way - where is it on the US DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY website? Did you find the Russian language?

 Link

https://www.treasury.gov/lan/Pages/default.aspx

[Abram]

it’s only better if the Americans stop exchanging their unsecured green papers for aluminum. Rusal workers will go to the streets, fry kebabs - the weather is great! how to fire, eat, let them come here, to work in)

[Prutkov]

Why wonder? Americans laughed. After the imposition of sanctions, aluminum rose sharply. But somehow they did not think that the United States is the main buyer of aluminum. Now they are trying to lower the price of aluminum.

[Altona]

Quote: URAL72

If you had to impose sanctions against the channel, then does Deripaska have no billions abroad?

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How is it not, if he is a purely offshore businessman? WAS!

[impostor]

The state will rescue Deriribka in any case.

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: impostor

The state will rescue Deriribka in any case.

The state, without prejudice to itself, will bail out thousands of workers that may find themselves on the outskirts. Do not panic, luminescence is a strategic metal and no one will bend ...

[impostor]

Debt $ 8,5 billion. The state is not at the expense of itself? !!!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: impostor

Debt $ 8,5 billion

Debt of whom? Or what?
"Debt" is not always bad, by the way. It's a hint

[impostor]

And I think you understand perfectly. You just don’t want to look at things from this angle. Of course, GAZ made a great start, and we will see what the finish will be.

[Grim Reaper]

Luminium is a strategic metal. However, like a commonplace cast iron. Factories letting semi-products never be bankrupt. Too much need in the world. But here's a yell "everything is gone," yes ..

[Lynx33]

I would never have thought that a billionaire could bring something useful to Russia, but the Yankees will not impose sanctions just like that.

[Tektor]

If the manager is with a Russian mentality, then his plant works for people - including factory employees. Otherwise, the Russian empire would not have taken place. This is the imperial mentality: brother for brother and for brother.

[Alex Justice]

Why did the Russian Jew Deripaska not like the American Jews? Really could not agree?