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What a serious mistake Stalin makes itself felt?

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Today, the presidency of the UN Security Council has passed to Poland. At the same time, Poland received the status of non-permanent member of the Security Council of the United Nations in January 2018. It should be noted that the status of the chairman changes at the UN monthly - in alphabetical order.


According to Polish President Andrzej Duda, Warsaw during its presidency of the UN Security Council will focus on the observance by all UN members of international law. We are talking about the so-called nuclear deal with Iran. It turned out that here Poland shares the position of Germany and is in favor of preserving the agreement with Iran, which is going to break the United States under the active pushing of this decision by Israel.

Polish Foreign Minister Jacek Czaputovich:
We believe that this agreement should be maintained. Maybe it is subject to a certain modification, but in general it should be saved.


Now we can expect pressure from the US Permanent Representative to the UN on those who oppose the abolition of the agreement with Tehran. The United States in such cases is usually "democratically" stating that all allies who voted against their initiative will "be taken on a pencil." In a number of cases, the States also go for the expulsion of diplomats, demanding to replace them with loyal ones.

If we consider that the actions of the United States in the UN structures acquire the character of open pressure, and even terror against other member states, then it is quite possible to say that the USSR made a serious mistake in 1945-1946 years by agreeing to host headquarters United Nations in New York. It should be recalled that the other options under consideration for hosting the main UN office also related primarily to the United States. For example, San Francisco and Boston. Points in the piggy bank of the "necessity" of placing the UN headquarters in New York added a gift from Mr. Rockefeller. This gift was a piece of land in Manhattan, where a skyscraper grew, which the US authorities now explicitly consider to be theirs.



It was at that moment that the time bomb was laid, which predetermined the character of the Organization, far from real neutrality. And this mine exploded before our eyes.
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 1 May 2018 08: 37
    +15
    that’s why you don’t take up energy for ghouls .. this is and we must pay tribute to ..

    Well, nothing ... the argument must be chosen that the UN should be moved for security purposes .. in connection with Washington’s aggressive policy and the possibility of the Cold War develop into a hot one. He can’t sit in the desert or at the bottom of the bay ..
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 08: 41
      +26
      Sasha hi
      The USSR in 1945-1946 made a serious mistake by agreeing to host the United Nations headquarters in New York.

      NATO headquarters is located in Brussels, but from this NATO has not become more "European", everyone knows who steers. wink
      1. Logall
        Logall 1 May 2018 08: 43
        +10
        Pavel, I agree: the matter is not in the locations, but in the content! The United States will always put pressure on countries, and representatives - only the voice of these countries.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 08: 43
          +5
          good That's what this is about, Sasha! hi
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 1 May 2018 08: 44
        +10
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        НАТО


        Do you know a joke about Natasha? with an accent .. - NATO laughing laughing asocial organization is shorter .. laughing laughing

        they have one pimp ..
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 08: 47
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          Do you know a joke about Natasha?

          And then! lol By the way, it's better for you.
          Quote: vorobey
          they have one pimp ..

          Exactly so, that's why I consider all attempts to make the USSR as an extreme one inappropriate.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 1 May 2018 08: 53
            +5
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            By the way, it's better for you.


            it turned out reflexively .. Pasha .. like Pavlov’s dog ... request request

            Quote: bouncyhunter
            make extreme USSR consider inappropriate.


            Yes, to beat them all ... our caravan is flying forward, a stop in Seattle ... lol lol
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 08: 57
              +3
              Quote: vorobey
              it turned out reflexively .. Pasha .. like Pavlov’s dog ...

              Accepted, drove. drinks
              Quote: vorobey
              our caravan is flying forward, there is a stop in Seattle ...

              good Powerfully pushed back! lol drinks
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 1 May 2018 09: 02
                +5
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                that: vorobey
                our caravan is flying forward, there is a stop in Seattle ...
                Powerfully pushed back!


                And what .. we have our own silk road ... the roads of Columbus .. meet Canadian lumberjacks .. lol lol
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 09: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: vorobey
                  meet Canadian lumberjacks ..

                  Somewhere in the Maple Leaf Country, someone began nervously fumbling in their pockets for Corvalol ... laughing
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 1 May 2018 09: 15
                    +4
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    Somewhere in the Maple Leaf Country, someone began nervously fumbling in their pockets for Corvalol ...


                    Yes, no ... we are friends with our neighbors .. if we don’t fight out ... and there it’s really possible to plump and bump into them .. and I hope there are fewer gays among them .. laughing
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 09: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: vorobey
                      there are fewer gays among them ..

                      It's you in vain - there the corrupting influence of the FSA is very strong because of neighborhood and subordination. wassat
                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 1 May 2018 09: 34
                        +4
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        Quote: vorobey
                        there are fewer gays among them ..

                        It's you in vain - there the corrupting influence of the FSA is very strong because of neighborhood and subordination. wassat


                        I am starting to lose faith in people altogether ..
      3. Petr petrov
        Petr petrov 1 May 2018 09: 54
        +7
        The cat gave birth to kittens, Stalin is to blame for this !!!!!!
        Before the collapse of the union, nothing prevented, and after that, something hindered !!!!!!!!
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 09: 59
          +3
          It is always easier to make extreme those who cannot refute such allegations. This applies to both Stalin and the USSR.
          1. Bully
            Bully 1 May 2018 10: 46
            +6
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            It is always easier to make extreme those who cannot refute such allegations. This applies to both Stalin and the USSR.

            Why the powers that be are usually criticized by disparate people. It is necessary to at least approximately represent the level of tasks that Stalin had to solve
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 10: 53
              +3
              Quote: Bully
              Why the powers that be are usually criticized by disparate people.

              The question is good. Apparently, from the inferiority complex. Trampling great people into the mud, they themselves are trying to rise (PiArit). Well, mercantile interests should not be forgotten: the cautiousness of some of these kinds of accusations is beyond doubt.
      4. hdgs
        hdgs 1 May 2018 23: 21
        0
        it can be said that the USSR in 1945-1946 made a serious mistake by agreeing to host the United Nations headquarters in New York.

        You would think that someone in the USSR was asking about something. And he waited for his consent.
        1. RomanS
          RomanS 2 May 2018 21: 38
          0
          Without thinking you say, it turned out stupid. It is an honor to know the history of your homeland. After 2mv, the Soviet army is the most efficient in the world. And the word of the Soviet leader was of critical importance. The UN format was defined during the Yalta Conference of 1945. For example: http://www.grifon-tur.ru/yaltinskaya-konferenciya
          -1945-goda-osnovnye-resheniya.html
          1. hdgs
            hdgs 2 May 2018 21: 57
            0
            Quote: RomanS
            After 2mv, the Soviet army is the most efficient in the world.

            For starters, the Red Army.
            Then, which one?
            The one that had problems with the number of draftees since the fall of 1943?
            The one in which they took into combat units from the age of 17, despite a ridiculous piece of paper called the Constitution of the USSR. By the way, this violation of the Constitution persisted until the last days of the USSR.
            The one in which they took in auxiliary units from 16 years old?
            The one that without American food there was simply nothing to feed?
            This list could go on forever. But even so it is clear that the Red Army in 1945 was actually at a critical point.
            Quote: RomanS
            And the word of the Soviet leader was of critical importance.

            Maybe a little more than the word of the leader of the Iroquois. Dzhugashvili was just a temporary companion of the powerful. Consumables for them.
            Quote: RomanS
            The UN format was defined during the Yalta Conference of 1945.

            What Dzhugashvili was offered there, he agreed with that. He was not in the position to insist on something there.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 1 May 2018 09: 44
      +5
      A "time bomb" was laid when a man was invented. Discreteness of the life time of society is shaped by politics. I jumped a step and you were already ahead, missed - in w ...! After Stalin, we somehow skip these steps more and poke around in the past - which is already gone. winked It makes no sense to roll the roll of history justifying its impotence and worthlessness, if you cannot create it (history) in the present. belay In addition to "remakes" of the future, nothing new will come of it. winked
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 May 2018 10: 15
      +4
      It must be recalled that the other options under consideration for hosting the UN head office were also related primarily to the United States.

      Probably it was nevertheless necessary to transfer the UN to neutral Antarctica to penguins. recourse
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 May 2018 08: 38
    +7
    It's funny, but the "arrears" in contributions to the UN by the hegemon are 2.5 mln! The largest UN debtor publicly declares that the one who pays the one orders music ... And who does NOT PAY? wassat
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 1 May 2018 08: 48
      +7
      The United States is essentially a planetary extortionist and bandit. And according to gangster concepts, only suckers pay debts, and whoever is stronger is right. Plus, the United States also has Britain in its top six, which, together with its dominions in the face of Canada, Australia and New Zealand, has a population of 130 million people and a vast territory exceeding the territory of Russia, and huge mineral reserves, as well as many key territories like Gibraltar, the Bahamas, the Falklands and many other islands. So the USA wanted to sneeze on the opinion of other countries.
    2. Standard
      Standard 1 May 2018 10: 14
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The largest UN debtor publicly declares that the one who pays the one orders the music ...

      The same with chemical weapons.
      Something ours does not involve this topic.
  3. Observer2014
    Observer2014 1 May 2018 08: 43
    +11
    What a serious mistake Stalin makes itself felt?
    This is a belief in the international international !!! This bullshit ruined the USSR .. It gave Poland the same German lands. Now the Russian Federation would have bordered Germany with Germany. And this UN deployment in the states is so-so. And will there be a world currency for the dollar after the war? It wasn’t a mistake. And inventing and developing “more than a hundred nationalities” in the USSR after the revolution. This is generally an atomic bomb under modern Russia.
    1. himRa
      himRa 1 May 2018 09: 09
      +9
      Quote: Observer2014
      What a serious mistake Stalin makes itself felt?
      This is a belief in the international international !!! This bullshit ruined the USSR .. It gave Poland the same German lands. Now the Russian Federation would have bordered Germany with Germany. And this UN deployment in the states is so-so. And will there be a world currency for the dollar after the war? It wasn’t a mistake. And inventing and developing “more than a hundred nationalities” in the USSR after the revolution. This is generally an atomic bomb under modern Russia.

      In your comment, you touched on several topics at the same time hi
      For the sake of objectivity, you need to remember the date:
      May 15, 1943, at that time there was no Poland yet! As for the international
      The dollar became international currency on July 2, 1944 (the Breton Woods Agreements) and the mistakes of the USSR and IV Stalin are not here, but there is hope that the Allies will open a second front and streamline payments for help, gold has lost its position ... and it wasn’t already with us ...
      The location of the UN headquarters (here I agree with colleagues) DOES NOT MATTER!
      And the last, holistic theme, to hang, on Stalin, all the evil of the world! wassat he is that god chtoli! And he could have foreseen what will happen in 70 years !!!? Science fiction next to him children !! laughing
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 1 May 2018 09: 44
        +3
        Quote: himRa
        ,, hang ,, on Stalin all the evil of the world! he is that god chtoli!

        Judging by the number of references, the way it is ... And the farther, the more people want reincarnation .. The less people remember him as a negative person. And it is right good
        1. Not in the system
          Not in the system 1 May 2018 17: 27
          +1
          He was not a negative person. If the Great Patriotic War is excluded, then under the leadership of Stalin the population of the country only increased and grew smarter. This is the most important indicator. After the destruction of the Union, the population is still decreasing and it (the population) is getting stupid (meaning its educational level is falling).
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 1 May 2018 10: 05
        +1
        In 1943, Poland was no longer there, after the Polish government left it in September 1939, having fled Romania, it became generally a draw. winked
  4. Altona
    Altona 1 May 2018 08: 50
    +10
    Ha! Again, everything was transferred to Stalin. As if Stalin had to foresee everything and take care of everyone. Stalin did not know that after 40 years at the top of power, Gorbachev and Yeltsin would first appear, declaring the eternal "peace, friendship, chewing gum" with the United States. Who will surrender everything, all security areas, which will create first a commodity, then a monetary deficit for the people. The United States in the Cold War behaved more or less in terms of diplomacy. But now for some reason, our main perestroika is not visible, he no longer fights for peace, as soon as they paid for the fight with a medal and bribes, he finished fighting.
  5. GLAVPUR
    GLAVPUR 1 May 2018 08: 52
    +5
    Stalin's main mistake is agreement to create a small education in the Middle East .. Now we are tormented!
    The UN has long been crushed under their interests in the world .. hi
    1. vladfill
      vladfill 1 May 2018 09: 13
      +1
      In Yalta, 1945 there were urgent "proposals" ... for creating a small education ....
      in Crimea and on the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus ..... Vissarionych preferred Palestine
      Uganda, still ...
      1. GLAVPUR
        GLAVPUR 1 May 2018 11: 31
        +2
        Quote: vladfill
        In Yalta, 1945 there were urgent "proposals" ... for creating a small education ....
        in Crimea and on the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus ..... Vissarionych preferred Palestine
        Uganda, still ...

        It was like that, but still we have a Jewish Autonomous Region, where there is no Jew! For some reason, we are not eliminating it and are waiting.
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 1 May 2018 19: 20
          +2
          Because the Jews are not fools to go to the Far East to freeze their asses. Nevertheless, the ITT did wisely, without giving them the Crimea, and created, as it were, a mockery, in the Jewish region where Makar did not chase the calves. Crimea was the pearl of the Union, the Russians shed a lot of blood for it, and nefig easily give such land to anyone! am
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 2 May 2018 23: 20
            0
            EAO was established in 1934. And there are still several thousand Jews there.)
    2. Strips
      Strips 1 May 2018 09: 38
      0
      Quote: GLAVPUR
      Now we are suffering!


      Especially you.
    3. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 1 May 2018 09: 40
      0
      Quote: GLAVPUR
      Stalin's main mistake is agreement to create a small education in the Middle East .. Now we are tormented!
      The UN has long been crushed under their interests in the world .. hi

      Past, Ivan Ivanovich, by. From the 33 states voted "FOR" in 1947, the 3 voices were from the USSR and also 2 from its satellites. So it would be 27. Nothing would change that. hi
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 1 May 2018 11: 00
        +1
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Nothing would change that.
        yes The USSR wrote its laws, its will was as Caesar’s will, it is said that it must be so. True, such ambitions were expensive, but the price is different. And even if the Jews were against the creation of the state of Israel, the USSR would have created everything exactly, they would love to make states for not protected peoples .... yes hi
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 1 May 2018 11: 32
          +1
          Quote: XXXIII
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Nothing would change that.
          yes The USSR wrote its laws, its will was as Caesar’s will, it is said that it must be so. True, such ambitions were expensive, but the price is different. And even if the Jews were against the creation of the state of Israel, the USSR would have created everything exactly, they would love to make states for not protected peoples .... yes hi

          Whether the UN would vote for partitioning or not, the Jewish state already existed by that time. But about the love "to make the state for not protected peoples" a bit more, please.
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 1 May 2018 11: 49
            +1
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Whether the UN would vote for partitioning or not, the Jewish state already existed by that time. But about the love "to make the state for not protected peoples" a bit more, please.

            Well, then, what was the main thing, the protection of the peoples who chose peace, let the USSR, now some people choose, let the United States-conflicts. And you can’t deny the fact that the USSR was the guarantor of the creation of the State of Israel, and if we were all against the UN, it would hardly have happened, not the whole world was against the Jews. But if you think so arrogantly, then you wouldn’t even have given the land, and the slaves received knives that would do what they always did to the infidels, but Stalin is not the executioner, he is the father of nations .... laughing
            So you got what you could then get from the father of the peoples of Stalin, now you get from Uncle Sam what you ask, Israel is a dependent state, always asking for something .... lol
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 1 May 2018 13: 58
              0
              Quote: XXXIII
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Whether the UN would vote for partitioning or not, the Jewish state already existed by that time. But about the love "to make the state for not protected peoples" a bit more, please.

              Well, then, what was the main thing, the protection of the peoples who chose peace, let the USSR, now some people choose, let the United States-conflicts. And you can’t deny the fact that the USSR was the guarantor of the creation of the State of Israel, and if we were all against the UN, it would hardly have happened, not the whole world was against the Jews. But if you think so arrogantly, then you wouldn’t even have given the land, and the slaves received knives that would do what they always did to the infidels, but Stalin is not the executioner, he is the father of nations .... laughing
              So you got what you could then get from the father of the peoples of Stalin, now you get from Uncle Sam what you ask, Israel is a dependent state, always asking for something .... lol

              Ha ha ha! Here, they pawed, so they poured! I have not laughed so long. Do not fool your head either to yourself or to people. drinks
    4. XXXIII
      XXXIII 1 May 2018 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: GLAVPUR
      Now we are suffering!

      They are tormented, only already in their own country, and let them be tormented, maybe something is being tortured into the light. ... laughing
  6. dojjdik
    dojjdik 1 May 2018 09: 07
    +1
    Roosevelt’s and Churchill’s mistake — the creation of Israel — and it is not a mistake; it’s a loss of initiative and degeneration; because at one time the UN really played a significant role in preserving the world — now it’s miserable and unnecessary remnants of its former greatness — everything comes to an end and this office is already over, therefore, all progressive diplomats headed by Lavrov and to decide what to do with this dumb-dash desk, brains are, so there will be a solution
    1. Not in the system
      Not in the system 1 May 2018 17: 33
      0
      Roosevelt and Churchill did not make a mistake in this. It is their decision and their will. Roosevelt is Rosenfeld, and Churchill has a Jewish mother.
  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 May 2018 09: 21
    +1
    What difference does it make where this organization is located,
    if in the event of a war, everything is decided by the right of the strong.
    Wanted and attacked, wanted and bombed, wanted and
    invaded-occupied-bombed into the Stone Age.
    And until these greyhounds start getting a serious response,
    they wanted to put on all these SBs and other things.
    1. Standard
      Standard 1 May 2018 10: 10
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      what the difference is where this organization is located

      There is a psychological difference.
  8. Oleg Jacket
    Oleg Jacket 1 May 2018 09: 27
    +2
    it is necessary to move the UN to Libya brought democracy let them continue to work hi
  9. st2st
    st2st 1 May 2018 09: 33
    +6
    But maybe this is not Stalin's mistake, and the author of the article is mistaken, but the mistake of the Russian emperor, who sent two squadrons to the shores of the United States in 1863, and did not allow England and France to destroy the United States as a state? "America owes much to Russia, it is debtor of Russia in many ways, and especially for the constant friendship in the days of its great trials ... Only the insane can assume that America will ever violate the loyalty of this friendship by a deliberately unjust word or deed" MARK TVEN. Wrong, old man Twain
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 1 May 2018 09: 45
      +2
      Quote: st2st
      But maybe this is not Stalin's mistake, and the author of the article is mistaken, but the mistake of the Russian emperor, who sent two squadrons to the shores of the United States in 1863, and did not allow England and France to destroy the United States as a state? "America owes much to Russia, it is debtor of Russia in many ways, and especially for the constant friendship in the days of its great trials ... Only the insane can assume that America will ever violate the loyalty of this friendship by a deliberately unjust word or deed" MARK TVEN. Wrong, old man Twain

      Aivazovsky Food Distribution (1892)
      The picture dedicated to the American humanitarian campaign 1891 – 1892 to help starving Russia.
      1. st2st
        st2st 1 May 2018 09: 54
        +5
        Sorry, I didn’t understand, but how is this connected with my comment?
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 10: 02
          +6
          But in any way, it justifies allies. wink
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 1 May 2018 10: 01
        +6
        Quote: A. Privalov
        The picture dedicated to the American humanitarian campaign 1891 – 1892 to help starving Russia.


        we remember that too ...

        and this...

        The fact that the United States would not be lost or confused in the course of the war that broke out in Europe was clear even before the first shots. And indeed, not for the same American businessmen and government agencies for a long time bought up the German economy “wholesale and retail”, so that because of some kind of military operations there to give up profit ...

        On the eve of World War II, US corporations and banks invested $ 800 million in the country's industry and financial system. The amount at that time is huge. Of these, the leading four from America invested about $ 200 million in the militarized German economy: Standard Oil - 120 million, General Motors - 35 million, ITT investments amounted to 30 million, and Ford - $ 17,5 million .
        The fact that even after the United States entered World War II on December 11, 1941, American corporations continued to actively fulfill orders of firms of enemy countries, supported the activities of their branches in Germany, Italy and even Japan, is shocking. To do this, it was only necessary to apply for special permission to carry out economic activities with companies controlled by the Nazis or their allies. The presidential decree of December 13, 1941 allowed such transactions, doing business with enemy companies, if there was no special ban from the Treasury of America. Very often, American corporations without problems received permits to work with enemy firms and supplied them with the necessary steel, engines, aviation fuel, rubber, radio components ... So the power of the military industry of Germany and its allies was supported by the economic activities of the United States, whose companies received extra profit for their transactions with the enemy. Truly, to whom war and to whom mother is dear ... https: //masterok.livejournal.com/954689.ht
        ml
        1. st2st
          st2st 1 May 2018 10: 11
          +5
          And from childhood I remember "Seventeen Moments of Spring", which explicitly spoke about the contacts of A. Dulles with the fascist industrial and party elite
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 1 May 2018 10: 45
            +2
            Knowing the story from feature films is already something! belay A complete paragraph of the mind, in a word. crying Although, everyone knows who is "lucky", but no one wants to consider themselves as such. Right trouble, and only.recourse
            1. st2st
              st2st 1 May 2018 11: 13
              +5
              Yes, not about Old from thin. I wrote films (example, I agree, unsuccessful), but about the fact that even in the 70s, it was known that the allies behaved rather unscrupulously towards the USSR. Know how to isolate the main thing from the secondary, you were not taught in the army this, or what? Even we, conscript sailors, were taught in the classroom to do this (officers were PROFESSIONALS, thanks to them)
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 1 May 2018 11: 32
                +4
                Quote: st2st
                Yes, not about Old from thin. I wrote films (example, I agree, unsuccessful), but about the fact that even in the 70s, it was known that the allies behaved rather unscrupulously towards the USSR. Know how to isolate the main thing from the secondary, you were not taught in the army this, or what? Even we, conscript sailors, were taught in the classroom to do this (officers were PROFESSIONALS, thanks to them)

                That's right, before the films were not one-sided and not ambiguous, but carried a multi-level meaning, sometimes which could be understood by watching it several times ..... hi
              2. siberalt
                siberalt 1 May 2018 18: 05
                0
                Isolation and articulation are called induction and deduction as methods of thinking. Learn Elementary logic and you will be happy in expressing the "main" thought in letters! hi
                1. st2st
                  st2st 2 May 2018 04: 30
                  +3
                  No need to rush with clever "words" and stand in the pose of an unrecognized genius. You perfectly understood what I wrote. Or is it a shame for you that, in the comments on the nose, some little boy caught a glimpse of your bland grandeur? Yes, fullness, my friend, be lenient to the mob. PS That's how we scammed the country in 91. At the top sat pompous turkeys, thinking that they are smarter and wiser than all, and that their kingdom is eternal. Do not be like them, flaunting Elementary logic, otherwise I will get you an Indian nyaya
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 06: 14
                    +2
                    Quote: st2st
                    otherwise I’ll get you an Indian nyaya

                    belay
                    And you SibiraltWell, still, it seems. He certainly doesn’t know such words laughing
      3. Standard
        Standard 1 May 2018 10: 08
        +1
        Quote: A. Privalov
        , and not allowing England and France to destroy the United States as a state

        But why the Emperor needed it?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 1 May 2018 10: 29
          +3
          Quote: Norma
          But why the Emperor needed it?


          just revenge of England ..

          According to many researchers, Catherine II sympathized with the American colonists, and the aristocracy of St. Petersburg was unanimous in that "the condition of the British court and the administration of the country did not inspire confidence either at home or abroad." Long before the revolution, Catherine II predicted that “even during her lifetime” America would achieve independence from Europe. When the war broke out, she declared that "the colonies had said goodbye to England forever."
      4. apro
        apro 1 May 2018 10: 34
        +1
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Aivazovsky Food Distribution (1892)
        The picture dedicated to the American humanitarian campaign 1891 – 1892 to help starving Russia.

        You FSE Fréte. Hunger in Russia was arranged only by the Bolsheviks.
    2. My doctor
      My doctor 1 May 2018 10: 38
      0
      Quote: st2st
      and the mistake of the Russian emperor, who sent two squadrons to the shores of the United States in 1863, and did not allow England and France to destroy the United States as a state?

      Seriously??? At the same time, the Russian fleet could not resist the landing of the British and French in the Crimea.
      1. st2st
        st2st 1 May 2018 10: 49
        +4
        You look for years, do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. Check the documents in the public domain. It was the squadrons of Russia that did not allow strangling Amers with a stiff naval blockade. Well, the Crimean War, in general, is a separate topic for discussion.
      2. gerkost2012
        gerkost2012 1 May 2018 13: 35
        +1
        The Crimean War was still before, not after.
    3. XXXIII
      XXXIII 1 May 2018 11: 24
      +2
      Quote: st2st
      But maybe this is not Stalin's mistake, and the author of the article is mistaken, but the mistake of the Russian emperor, who sent two squadrons to the shores of the United States in 1863, and did not allow England and France to destroy the United States as a state? "America owes much to Russia, it is debtor of Russia in many ways, and especially for the constant friendship in the days of its great trials ... Only the insane can assume that America will ever violate the loyalty of this friendship by a deliberately unjust word or deed" MARK TVEN. Wrong, old man Twain

      Well, we have our own relations with the American beauty, everything is very unknown in the relationship, but our love is deadly for sure ... yes hi
  10. Normal ok
    Normal ok 1 May 2018 09: 37
    +6
    What a serious mistake Stalin makes itself felt?

    Reading articles on VO, I ask a question: do the authors really believe in what they write or just earn money? Well, Stalin could not single-handedly solve all world issues! I had to reckon with the United States and its allies!
  11. Dormidont
    Dormidont 1 May 2018 09: 50
    +2
    His most serious mistake was to give slack and to nag the reptile. For which he paid with his life
    1. Not in the system
      Not in the system 1 May 2018 17: 46
      +1
      What nasty thing? He did not know that they were going to remove his own. He sincerely believed them. The laws were already ready, according to which power from the party was transferred directly to the people, i.e. government (directly into the hands of ministers and the pre-ministerial office), and for the party left only an ideological role. So the party members were horrified and quickly concocted a conspiracy that was in Khrushchev’s hand. Only Khrushchev was quicker to poke his warning and travail Stalin (Beria had almost come to him in some of his wet affairs).
  12. Standard
    Standard 1 May 2018 10: 06
    0
    It is necessary to transfer the UN headquarters to Africa (for example).
    To frighten with a retaliatory strike of Russian missiles, to explain that there will be nothing left of them, to accentuate the content of death from missiles (there it will excite many) - and the situation in the world will change.
    Even if the USA still has the steering wheel, they will behave differently on foreign territory.
  13. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 1 May 2018 10: 33
    0
    Yeah. Now you can’t even get Status-6 into Manhattan Bay. And why, one wonders, Switzerland did not like?
  14. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 1 May 2018 11: 15
    +1
    ... that the USSR made a serious mistake in 1945-1946 by agreeing to host the United Nations headquarters in New York


    It is a known fact that during the creation and approval of the UN Charter, Stalin and Molotov moved away from this process. Gromyko, being the ambassador to the USA, and concurrently a member of the Charter’s drafting committee, couldn’t contact Moscow for weeks (he simply wasn’t answered) and had to resolve many issues on his own. It was thanks to Gromyko that the Veto right was preserved in the Charter. So Stalin was not interested in the work of the United Nations at all, and apparently agreed to its creation, so as not to create extra points of misunderstanding with Roosevelt. These facts are repeatedly stated in the memoirs of diplomats of those years, and in particular, in the memoirs of Gromyko.
  15. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 1 May 2018 11: 20
    0
    The main mistake of Stalin: this is not only the reconstruction of Poland in the pre-war borders, but also the cutting of additional lands to it. They themselves raised an enemy.
    1. Not in the system
      Not in the system 1 May 2018 17: 49
      0
      Soviet Poland was not an enemy.
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 2 May 2018 08: 37
        0
        Wake up. The Polish people and its elites have been sick with Russophobia since the 15th century. Since the empire of Great Poland did not take place, but the empire of Russia took place.
        1. Not in the system
          Not in the system 3 May 2018 17: 26
          0
          Russophobia hurt the Polish government in exile, a cut all the time the Union of the nose did not seem "home." As well as with Ukraine - as long as there was a Union, all of Bandera’s shit ... I lived in Canada. As the Union was destroyed, so the nits crawled out from all the zashniks.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 2 May 2018 23: 27
        0
        Socialist, folk. But no one ever called her Soviet.
  16. wax
    wax 1 May 2018 11: 38
    0
    This is not Stalin's mistake. Stalin's mistake was that he did not send Khrushchev to the Gulag in a timely manner. And the mistake of the GKChP is that after "a" did not follow "b" - the arrest of EBN and Gorbi.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 2 May 2018 23: 29
      0
      In all the official paintings of the late 40s and early 50s. Khrushchev was portrayed near Stalin. That said a lot to knowledgeable people.
  17. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 1 May 2018 11: 45
    0
    The first mistake - he believed in enemies that were not there and this is his main mistake. And this error makes you aware and will still be. It was not necessary to destroy and repress the citizens of their country on far-fetched pretexts. The second mistake - he believed the assurances of the German Nazis and did not prepare the country for defense in due measure.
    1. Not in the system
      Not in the system 1 May 2018 17: 55
      0
      There were no far-fetched pretexts. Enough nonsense. Read the five-volume Arsen Martirosyan, in which each case is investigated. Read the books of the best researcher of the Second World War - Yuri Mukhin, see for yourself. And he did not believe the assurances of the Nazis, the country was ready. There was sabotage and treason D.G. Pavlova - where the Germans broke in June 1941.
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 2 May 2018 06: 37
        +1
        Also say that there were no repressions and extermination of citizens of the country on far-fetched charges. In addition to Martirosyan and Mukhin, whom you bring in, there were still my grandmothers - witnesses of those times, by the way both were literate and worked as teachers in those years, and who in our years told my parents and we did a lot of things, although in an undertone, everyone was afraid that may come for them. You have nothing to parry, Russell. My grandfathers both died in 1942 on the fronts of that war ... One of them was the chairman of the collective farm before the war, he was denounced, the war "saved" him from an unrighteous court, and went to the front as a volunteer.
        1. Alexander Ra
          Alexander Ra 2 May 2018 07: 35
          0
          If you think that repression was exclusively an end in itself, then you are mistaken. Without a single internal vector, coherence in a different way, during the Second World War, the country had no chance to survive. I do not condone the violence, but I also know that someone pays dearly for “political correctness”. The president asks today - leave the offshore, do not steal, please, - so what? - The great theft of some and the poverty of others are stabilized.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 07: 44
            0
            Quote: Alexander Ra
            The president asks today - leave the offshore, do not steal, please, - so what?

            Not this way.
            The President warned yesterday - "get tired of swallowing dust" (your money is helping out), and today - well - the British - the "purity" of the money of alligarchs of Russia took care ...
            Since they didn’t listen, two didn’t listen ... well, to themselves the evil Pinocchio ... no?
            1. Alexander Ra
              Alexander Ra 2 May 2018 07: 54
              0
              What the British want to eat is not sweeter for us. Poison to the whole rat-horn.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 09: 02
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Ra
                I would poison the whole rat

                I understand your impatience. But the problem arose not yesterday, but many years ago, and has no quick fix.
                The episode I described is only a small part of the alligarh training activities that the state is currently engaged in.
                A "millstone of the Lord grind not soon but true". Everything will work out with us (s) yes
        2. Not in the system
          Not in the system 2 May 2018 16: 46
          +1
          I also had grandparents. And since childhood, I heard a lot of fables about funnels and spikelets and was sure that Stalin was a cannibal until I read the books of Mukhin and Martirosyan. Well still - Maxim Kalashnikov. If you yourself don’t want to find out, just say so. One of my grandmothers in all seriousness told me about brownies and until the end of her faithfully believed in them. This does not convince me of the existence of brownies.
  18. net0103net
    net0103net 1 May 2018 12: 51
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    The author of the article, without noticing it, touched on the colossal idea, ignoring which can lead humanity to perdition - real estate manages people and not people real estate.
    Look at the cities where this problem is much more pronounced, and you will see the impact in action and everywhere! The form and structure of real estate - at the moment, among other things, determines the mass consciousness of a huge number of people!
    And at the same time, the vast majority of social analysts ignore this powerful factor, then they deal with inaccuracies in their assumptions, and then everything repeats! Mistake is the norm of any social forecast! It is also constant, like the form of real estate, affecting the social sphere.
  19. seacap
    seacap 1 May 2018 13: 22
    0
    The United Nations was placed there for the same reason why all the gold was brought there, as well as for the same reason all our ghouls and nouveau riche from art, and not only houses and relatives with adored children were sent there, continuing to loot the fortune from the country they despised.
  20. gerkost2012
    gerkost2012 1 May 2018 13: 27
    +1
    And what does Stalin have to do with it, if the dog pack of the so-called used countries of the social camp with the blessing of the Russian liberal traitors in power got complete freedom! Did Stalin ruin the USSR and lead foreign policy to zero result !? Did Stalin participate in the creation of the Nazi UAshki? Is it possible to imagine under Stalin a war on the border with the USSR and the prolonged beating of the Russian Orthodox population, as is happening now in the Donbass !? It is easy to imagine how Comrade Stalin would have acted with the presidents of the now independent states, the former 15 sisters, including some with someone in the Russian Federation, but it doesn’t happen “if” in history. Yes, if only we would be. Alas ... So, the reason is not in the Yalta and Potsdam agreements, but in ourselves. And while the society is rotten, the country will be helpless.
  21. Evgeny Strygin
    Evgeny Strygin 1 May 2018 14: 46
    +4
    How do you know Stalin that the descendants so merrily merge everything? Not by coincidence or something serious, but purely for biological reasons - like macaques greedy for shining objects.
  22. basal
    basal 1 May 2018 17: 43
    +1
    Dear!
    Let's look at the issue from the other side. The mission at the UN is a crowd of diplomats with complete integrity. How many of our US diplomats did Trump kick out of? A lot of. And how many of ours are from the UN? Nobody! It can’t, there’s no right! New York is our everything! We can keep the residency of the Foreign Intelligence Service, the FSB, the GRU and the bald line there, no one decree for us - let them flow around.
    1. FenX
      FenX 1 May 2018 20: 50
      0
      Quote: basal
      Dear!
      Let's look at the issue from the other side. The mission at the UN is a crowd of diplomats with complete integrity. How many of our US diplomats did Trump kick out of? A lot of. And how many of ours are from the UN? Nobody! It can’t, there’s no right! New York is our everything! We can keep the residency of the Foreign Intelligence Service, the FSB, the GRU and the bald line there, no one decree for us - let them flow around.

      Reread again how many ambassadors Trump sent, and where. As they say do not shake nonsense
  23. srha
    srha 1 May 2018 18: 51
    0
    Mm .., let’s say, the authors of this article apparently do not know such a concept of politics as the art of the possible; they don’t know the story of how the USSR was bypassed at the UN in the Korean War, and how expensive self-removal at the UN was; they don’t understand the role of the UN as the spokesman for the interests of the hegemony of the main classes in the world and the fact that since the formation they were the states, which means that, in general, the UN is doomed to express the interests of the states, wherever the UN is.
    But they criticize ... When will articles from short pants grow up?
    By the way, the USSR went to this, as I understand it, also in order to have an additional mechanism for bringing its position to the international community. And it’s better to do this, as I understand it again, there, with them. You yourself can bring as much as you want, but who will hear?
  24. Old26
    Old26 1 May 2018 21: 25
    0
    Quote: Norma
    The same with chemical weapons. Something ours does not involve this topic.

    And how? The deadline for the destruction of chemical weapons was initially determined in 2012, then extended until 2018 and then until 2025. Having taken Stakhanov’s shift, Russia decided to fulfill the “five-year plan” ahead of schedule, destroying it ahead of schedule, despite the fact that, according to the Wyomega Memorandum, we even had the right to preserve a certain amount of weapons (and the Americans too) until all other countries of the world that had got rid of it. And how do we engage this topic? What blame them? That they decided not to "drive the horses" and not destroy their chemical weapons ahead of schedule?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 21: 28
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Russia, having taken up Stakhanov’s shift, decided to ahead of schedule fulfill the “five-year plan”

      Vladimir, I understand you correctly that this was not necessary?
      If so, the next question: what, in general, is it good for the chem. weapons other than hemorrhoids with its storage and other? There is nowhere to apply it ...
  25. Vennik
    Vennik 1 May 2018 23: 17
    +1
    Aivazovsky did not write such paintings, not his theme. Bullshit from ukrosayte.
  26. Hikaro
    Hikaro 2 May 2018 08: 41
    +1
    And what does Stalin have to forgive? There was nothing for Stalin to do then, how to argue with the States about finding the UN headquarters? For him, first of all, at that time the task was to create the Soviet atomic bomb as soon as possible, and to restore the country's destroyed economy !! And the Soviet people, under his leadership, coped with this task and completed the task! By the way, Stalin had a lot of good ideas, one of them related to access to Kaliningrad by transferring part of Lithuania to Belarus. Panteleimon Ponomarenko turned to him with this proposal, But alas, he didn’t have time, they poisoned him ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 3 May 2018 12: 23
      0
      There are plenty of speculations and rumors on this subject. There is another version that Stalin completely proposed the territory of the future Kaliningrad region to be included in the Lithuanian SSR. But the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Lithuania Snechkus convinced the leader to do this. And only Klaipeda and the okrug were transferred to Lithuania. In general, Stalin had the idea of ​​creating the Polotsk region of the RSFSR from part of the territory of the BSSR. Then Stalin really dissuaded Ponomarenko, pointing out that Belarusians already have an offense for Bialystok and the region transferred to Poland, so an additional reduction in the territory of the BSSR would negatively affect the moral and political situation in the republic.
      1. Not in the system
        Not in the system 3 May 2018 17: 34
        0
        Did Belarus and Belarusians already exist at that time? As far as I remember, this nationality was cut off from a part of Russians in the 40s. Twentieth century. Am I mistaken? For example, in Siberia, some separs have been creating the "Siberian" language for many years, intending to cut out another nationality from the body of the Russian people - the Siberian.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 4 May 2018 14: 00
          0
          The Belorussian SSR in 1922 was one of four, along with the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, and the ZSFSR, the founders of the USSR. True, at the time of the creation of the USSR, it was practically within the borders of the modern Minsk region. According to the Riga Treaty, the western regions were transferred to Poland. Due to the fact that the population and territory of the BSSR was inferior to similar indicators even of a number of autonomous republics of the RSFSR, it was decided to enlarge it. During the two enlargements, 1924 and 1926, the territory and population of the republic tripled. She received Mogilev, Vitebsk, Gomel, Borisov, a number of other cities and territories. In the 20s and first half of the 30s. in the republic, Belarusianization was carried out on the model of Ukrainianization in the Ukrainian SSR.