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When will the Javelins appear at LDNR? ..

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The Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Stepan Poltorak, confirmed the receipt of anti-tank Javelin missile systems from the United States by the Ukrainian army. At the same time, Poltorak reports when “direct work” with the US ATGM will begin in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. From the message of the Ukrainian Minister on Facebook:
I am grateful to the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko for the titanic efforts to obtain anti-tank complexes Javelin and the President of the United States of America Donald Trump for a positive decision, which has significantly increased the defense capability of Ukraine and provide Ukrainian military with modern weapons!


This solution will allow starting from theoretical to practical preparation of our Javelin calculations, which will begin on 2 May on the basis of training centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and create a powerful anti-tank reserve.

Congratulations to all on this important event!


When will the Javelins appear at LDNR? ..


In the segment of social networks in Ukraine, they joked about this: “May 3 in Ukraine opens another sale of the mentor trading”.

Recall that the Javelin ATGM should be stored at the Yavoriv military training ground in the Lviv region under the supervision of American military instructors. Officially, the way for their transfer to the Donbass is closed. But did the Ukrainian authorities ever pay attention to official regulations?

Earlier, foreign experts noted the senselessness of the appearance of the Javelin ATGM in the conflict zone for the simple reason that no tank attacks on Ukrainian positions are not carried out there. At the same time, it was noted that the very fact of the appearance of American ATGMs in the combat zone will automatically untie the hands of servicemen of the armies of the people's republics of Donbass to obtain modern weapons for defense needs.
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  1. heavy division
    heavy division 1 May 2018 07: 16
    +7
    More psychological weapons
    1. 210ox
      210ox 1 May 2018 07: 26
      +7
      I think that the “Darts” are still in the hands of Amers specialists and they will all jealously guard them. For the crests they left only a mantra.
      Quote: heavy division
      More psychological weapons
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 1 May 2018 08: 04
        +8
        Ad.
        I change BezViz and Javelin to Ukraine. Without Crimea.
        Petya P.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 May 2018 07: 26
      +46
      Earlier, foreign experts noted the senselessness of the appearance of Javelin ATGMs in the conflict zone

      Why is it pointless? Everything has a price. yes
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 08: 07
        +11
        And I am interested in the following: the Javelins have asked for a meatball, there is a precedent. What will the next begging for? Tomahawks?
        1. Dimka75
          Dimka75 1 May 2018 10: 21
          +3
          Autogyr. Yesterday they had already written about it in VO.
          Autogyr and javelin. Wunderwafer with propeller and pipe.
          Crack caliber and all.
        2. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 1 May 2018 11: 15
          +5
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          And I am interested in the following: the Javelins have asked for a meatball, there is a precedent. What will the next begging for? Tomahawks?

          Plastic coffins, bag for transportation of the holder is attached! am
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 11: 30
            +6
            Yuri! hi
            Quote: Major Yurik
            Plastic coffins, bag for transportation of the holder is attached!

            This should be included in everything that the West supplies 404th. wink
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 1 May 2018 16: 30
            +2
            They say that there they successfully obtain material for transplantology, like donors from among the patriots, are not always dead at the same time. And that Mishiko’s wife is in this business, but maybe someone knows better, let them correct. Verily, to whom is war, and to whom is mother dear ...
        3. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 1 May 2018 16: 04
          +1
          Javelins - ATGM of the third generation and are quite effective against all existing tanks. (Armata has to wait a long time, although the failure of the gun, the entire tank also displays ....). Therefore, we need samples and search for weaknesses to create a counteraction ... So, buy a few from the Armed Forces of Ukraine to work out countermeasures ... That’s all, for some reason silence ...
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 16: 13
            +6
            Quote: Vladimir 5
            So buy a few from the APU for working off countermeasures ... So everyone does it, for some reason we have silence ...

            But is it really necessary to blow such an iron from every iron? wink
            1. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 1 May 2018 16: 34
              +2
              Secrecy and allusions that everything was seized turned more than once into great blood and the lack of necessary funds in the history of Russia, especially with the current military-industrial complex. My suggestions are empty, but as if to support the level of comments.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 16: 41
                +3
                It is better to keep silent about successes than to trumpet pseudo-successes, as the West does.
                Quote: Vladimir 5
                My suggestions to the void

                I do not think so . hi
          2. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 1 May 2018 16: 28
            +1
            so they took it and told ... you are a naive soul from the countryside
          3. Baloo
            Baloo 3 May 2018 08: 35
            0
            Quote: Vladimir 5
            Javelins - ATGM of the third generation and are quite effective against all existing tanks.

            Not effective in operation. Question to specialists: what about the batteries and combat performance. I’m not sure that the militias should contact the acquisition of Javelins from the baderlogs.
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 1 May 2018 18: 50
        0
        Here it is necessary to send this photo to LDNR so that they would throw their positions at dill in their artillery shells. good , someone will follow, someone will swear, but when IT gets into their paws, they will definitely be "lost" until the very first night. good laughing
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 1 May 2018 09: 40
      +3
      Not only if there is an aggravation, nothing will deter Kiev from using these complexes ... But they are very effective ...
      This complex has a weak point - it is a homing heathead, for example, there are reports that when used in a desert on a hot day, the missile often lost its target ... I think the similarity of a camouflage network draped over armored vehicles made as a Leshiy maskhalat should help hide it from Javelina missiles ... There are factory massets - Cape, etc., but they are unlikely to be in sufficient quantity as always ...
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 1 May 2018 11: 40
        +2
        But what if shooting heat traps in aviation?
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 1 May 2018 10: 15
      +7
      Quote: Heavy Division
      More psychological weapons

      Too presumptuous!
    5. Baloo
      Baloo 3 May 2018 19: 04
      0
      Quote: heavy division
      More psychological weapons

      Something no one comments on the instruction manual, but in vain. That would be fun. Donbass such a miracle is definitely not the topic. Let banderlog suffer.
  2. Lerych
    Lerych 1 May 2018 07: 23
    +8
    With these javelins, like hell with a written sack. Well, they will not help Bandera. Though they jump.
    1. private person
      private person 1 May 2018 08: 49
      +11
      But tankers of the Armed Forces of the LDNR do not seem to think so, everybody wants to live.
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 1 May 2018 18: 53
        0
        Excuse me, but what is the current life in the “LDNR tankers” that is beautiful, they don’t really spoil their life with ATGMs “corent” and “competition”? fool Yes, in Ukraine and without javelins, so many tanks have already been burned on both sides that another "way" will not change the disposition.
        Well, even more, forgive me my amateurism - is it so difficult to make a “thermos construction” in two layers from a film and rails in a copier in which the rail is suspected to guarantee that it will hide the tank which, after firing, is obliged to stumble, and not stand and grab the answer
  3. Observer2014
    Observer2014 1 May 2018 07: 28
    +16
    When will the Javelins appear at LDNR? ..
    What a wonderful occasion for Russia to withdraw from any treaties and negotiations. And to recognize whom it is necessary. And not to recognize whom they recognized in the hope of reconciling Crimea.
  4. GLAVPUR
    GLAVPUR 1 May 2018 07: 33
    +9
    Someone will warm their hands very well on these things .. The West needs a massacre between Russians and Ukrainians!
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 May 2018 07: 44
    +4
    Pure PR move. It has no military significance. Nothing ... The transfer of operations in the Donbass under military control - perhaps in general will reduce the tension on the contact line. The military understands why they face a direct clash - and much better than any SBU.
    1. GUS
      GUS 1 May 2018 08: 56
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Clean PR move. Military does not matter. No ..

      I agree with you. There are a couple of hundreds of training shots under contract. Well, they will do a dozen dozens of selfies, fillet a commercial vidos and giggle peremoga!

      And the Ukrainian ensigns require the second floor at the dacha to complete, then - that ...
  6. Altona
    Altona 1 May 2018 08: 17
    +16

    First off! Poroshenko stole the first Javelin from the warehouse of the Armed Forces. laughing laughing
    1. andrson
      andrson 1 May 2018 09: 07
      +4
      This is not for him to raise a glass.
    2. GLAVPUR
      GLAVPUR 1 May 2018 09: 29
      +3
      How would these little things in Syria later appeared .. There is such a suspicion! In Ukraine, the United States, in principle, waved a hand.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 1 May 2018 20: 04
        +1
        Recently there was an article in VO about captured trophies in Syria - a bunch of militants with all weapons surrendered - and so, there on one of the photos boxes with these same javlins were very clearly distinguishable))) So, most likely, we already have them)) )
    3. AlexanderV
      AlexanderV 1 May 2018 18: 15
      +4
      This is a copy from the training stand.
      Cutouts for studying the inside
      devices talk about it.
      Pete even hold the combat vehicle
      not allowed))
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 May 2018 08: 52
    +7
    When brains are absent in the heads, then the "Javelins" will not help. In the meantime, in Ukraine "After the execution, dancing" (film "Cain 18")
  8. Antares
    Antares 1 May 2018 09: 01
    +6
    Officially - the path for their transfer to the Donbass is closed.

    Why is that?
    While the training is on.
    Earlier, foreign experts noted the senselessness of the appearance of Javelin ATGMs in the conflict zone for the simple reason that no tank attacks of Ukrainian positions were carried out there.

    armored vehicles are constantly being hit
    At the same time, it was noted that the very fact of the appearance of American anti-tank systems in the combat zone will automatically untie the hands of military personnel of the armies of the people's republics of Donbass to obtain modern weapons for defense purposes.

    wonderful wording. On the one hand, at first the fact of delivery was the opening of the Ventorg, now it’s moving from the memory to the VU. Then it’s use, then something else ..
    It’s as if there wasn’t any military organization.
    Article to belittle the very fact of the first supply of US weapons
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 1 May 2018 09: 40
      +6
      Quote: Antares
      Article to belittle the very fact of the first supply of US weapons

      Reading your posts, I never cease to be surprised that you still believe in the adequacy of the judgments of the Supreme God. There are normal people 20 left from the former IN (if you remember the former).
      1. Antares
        Antares 1 May 2018 20: 06
        0
        Quote: Normal ok
        that you still believe in the adequacy of the judgments of the Supreme God. There are normal people 20 left from the previous

        I believe in what I know. What happened before long before 14. Somewhere in the back streets you can still find those whose posts are the real VO.
  9. Irek
    Irek 1 May 2018 09: 04
    +5
    The barmalei already ...
  10. GLAVPUR
    GLAVPUR 1 May 2018 09: 27
    +4
    Especially for the "Javelins" in the Russian squads in the Donbass, I think this is already on the "arms" and not only.
    We look forward to "comrades Bandera"!
  11. jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 1 May 2018 09: 36
    +2
    Or drink or break.))
  12. Normal ok
    Normal ok 1 May 2018 09: 37
    +2
    When will the Javelins appear at LDNR? ..

    The answer to the question is never.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 1 May 2018 20: 06
      +1
      Why so sure? If there the BMP APUs were quietly exchanged for a "stew truck", then what about Javelin? Unless, of course, two or three American advisers are assigned to each javelin)))
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 20: 11
        +2
        Quote: Albert1988
        Unless, of course, two or three American advisers are assigned to each javelin

        I think the advisers will also be changed for something ... more useful laughing
  13. Suharik.inline
    Suharik.inline 1 May 2018 09: 51
    +4
    If they, Javelin really appeared in Ukraine, and judging by a lot of confirmations this is so, that is, a chance, big or small is not important, just a chance that next to the operating table on which Tamogavki are lying this device will also lie.
    And yes, that would be very nice.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 1 May 2018 10: 55
      +1
      Even after the fighting at the Donetsk airport, the Javelins seem to have appeared in the DPR and, accordingly, in the Russian Federation. If then it was a reliable message.
      1. Antares
        Antares 1 May 2018 20: 10
        0
        Quote: DenZ
        Even after the fighting at the Donetsk airport, the Javelins seem to have appeared in the DPR and, accordingly, in the Russian Federation. If then it was a reliable message.

        of course have winked . Deliveries of copies of Battlefield 3 in the Russian Federation are not prohibited.
        PS (although this is in Lugansk, and in Donetsk Zakharchenko found one m 16, obviously does not pull on anti-tank systems)
    2. Cetron
      Cetron 1 May 2018 23: 35
      +1
      In BV, in particular in Syria, Javelin seems to have been used by barmales, if so, then specialists have long had images. SAA captured many trophies.
  14. Altona
    Altona 1 May 2018 10: 54
    +1
    Quote: Antares
    Article to belittle the very fact of the first supply of US weapons

    -----------------------------
    The United States has been supplying weapons to Ukraine for a long time, mainly small arms and the converted Soviet RPG-7; it simply decided on a slightly larger caliber. What will this delivery decide? Can knock out absolutely all the LDNR tanks?
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 1 May 2018 19: 06
      0
      Quote: Altona
      What will this delivery decide? Can knock out absolutely all the LDNR tanks?

      And with one shot.
    2. Antares
      Antares 1 May 2018 20: 18
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      The United States has long been supplying weapons to Ukraine, mainly small-arms and remade Soviet RPG-7,

      The delivery of the American version of RPG 7 to the regiment of Azov and the National Guard is a special case of the American company both for money and as an advertisement.
      It's about official US shipments at the state level.
      After all, the purchase of an RPG or Barrett was before. But the supply of ATGM sets 3 generations, for the first time. Could for example put TOU (there was also a version). Chose the Dart.
      Official deliveries are mostly non-flying. Here is a batch of weapons. Who knows what the United States will decide to stop. They slowly cook a frog.
  15. Altona
    Altona 1 May 2018 10: 55
    +2
    Quote: Suharik.inline
    it’s just a chance that next to the operating table on which Tamogavki are lying this device will also lie.

    -------------------------------
    No matter how the Tomahawks came to Ukraine.
  16. Machete
    Machete 1 May 2018 11: 49
    +3
    They got their Javelins. They are going to seize territory? Or does this weapon somehow play a big role in the forest?
    You can’t drive the militias into the trenches; use on rough, dug terrain can also be difficult. Tanks in general in the conflict in the Donbass play a secondary or even tertiary role.
    Ponte, some ponte. No more.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 1 May 2018 14: 22
      +1
      And many forests left in eastern Ukraine? And there are enough armored vehicles there, on both sides, including the one buried in the form of pillboxes. Here against them, "Jewelin" - quite suitable, and by no means a defensive weapon. It is worthy to be bought for our army. Moreover, they will not have to pay the full cost, they will sell at a big discount.
  17. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 1 May 2018 13: 24
    +1
    Quote: Altona

    First off! Poroshenko stole the first Javelin from the warehouse of the Armed Forces. laughing laughing


    And then, they allowed only the training to pull off!
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 1 May 2018 14: 18
      0
      We will redeem the training from him, with an appropriate discount, of course.
  18. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 1 May 2018 13: 40
    0
    So, we are waiting for “javelins” to appear on Ukrainian “flea markets”?
  19. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 1 May 2018 14: 12
    0
    before the first major raid. how the Ukrainians will go so they will be beaten off :))
  20. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 1 May 2018 14: 17
    0
    The main thing is for our not to be greedy, and to buy everything, say, for a quarter of the cost. In a couple of months, all the "Jewels" will be in our arsenals. Well, Ukraine will get another party for itself. With the same success.
    By the way, I hope our General Staff has already compiled and submitted to Kiev a list - what would Ukraine like to receive from its allies?
  21. macgyver
    macgyver 1 May 2018 14: 37
    0
    I suppose they were preparing to be sent to ISIS, but there the barmalei gradually ended. So they sent the Ukrainians the holy "javelin", instead of Scythian gold. Aborigines and such "beads" will come down ... let them think that now they are in NATO.
  22. iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 1 May 2018 14: 56
    0
    In the LPR announced the prevention of large-scale sabotage, prepared by Kiev on 1 May 2018 years:
    https://ria.ru/world/20180501/1519735759.html?ref
    errer_block = index_main_1
  23. Dr. Bermental
    Dr. Bermental 1 May 2018 15: 51
    +1
    let the ICBMs ask the DPR to come in handy too
  24. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 1 May 2018 16: 28
    0
    Shary showed how Ukraine buys components from Russia. Donbass militias will also purchase from the APU all the latest defense products (or - attacks?)
  25. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 1 May 2018 16: 36
    0
    hmm ... out of all the comments 3-4 mean something in the sense, backward is an empty ring
    1. Antares
      Antares 1 May 2018 20: 24
      0
      Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
      hmm ... out of all the comments 3-4 mean something in the sense, backward is an empty ring

      Well. Earning on advertising is also necessary. The number of visitors plays an important role.
      While the darts are in the military training center in Yavoriv (Lviv region). There is a simulation center for modeling combat operations according to NATO standards.
      Learning a lot (from driving BPM to ATGM) imitation + virtualka. Then the training ground.
  26. Altona
    Altona 1 May 2018 19: 56
    0
    Quote: AlexanderV
    Pete even hold the combat vehicle
    not allowed))

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    They say no photoshop .. laughing
  27. Compasure
    Compasure 2 May 2018 00: 14
    +1
    And why did everyone rest against this Javelin?
    I remember the Iraqis latest Abrams from an old RPG-7 fell. It’s not enough to know where to shoot.
    And the confrontation of defense and attack has always been ...
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