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Do not want to fight with Russia? Military pilots leave the Bundeswehr

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Recently, seven pilots of Eurofighter fighters resigned from the Bundeswehr, reports RT with reference to Contra Magazin. The reasons for their departure are unknown, however, according to the publication, German pilots simply “no longer want to fight” and participate in the preparation of the “NATO military campaign against Russia.”


Do not want to fight with Russia? Military pilots leave the Bundeswehr


Eurofighter 140 fighters are in the service of the German Air Force, although not all of them are functioning. In total, the German air force has 120 fighter pilots, but their ranks are thinning: according to an official spokesman for the German Air Force, in the past weeks, seven of them have left the service, Contra Magazin reports.

As the representative of the German Air Force noted, the dismissal of the pilots was an unpleasant event, but would not affect the combat readiness of the German army.

Recently, the German Chamber of Accounts accused the Bundeswehr of embezzling funds allocated to train fighter pilots, which amount to about five million euros per person. The specific reasons for which the pilots quit were not disclosed.

The Bundeswehr has often been criticized in recent years for problems with weapons and military equipment. Thus, at the end of February, a report was published on the state of the German armed forces in 2017, in which it was said about the “extremely unsatisfactory material equipment of the Bundeswehr”.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 April 30 2018 16: 00
    +13
    Yeah! Beshentsev - you can’t put him at the helm! No. They can only master the “cart”! sad
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. himRa
        himRa April 30 2018 16: 39
        +13
        The video is awesome! drinks especially ,, bow ,, to the audience !!!! With landing a little, “got cold,” it feels like an airplane in the hands of the pilot as part of the body! Easily and without straining ... spectacular laughing
        As for the fact that the pilots of the Bundeswehr leave because they are afraid to fight with, “Russians,” one must have a very violent imagination to draw such a conclusion !!!
        This is a trend not only in Germany but also in India, for example ... who is there to be afraid of?
        It is explained simply, the conditions of service and payment are not satisfied! Here they go to the civilian .....
        1. Lerych
          Lerych April 30 2018 17: 59
          +1
          In India, China and Pakistan are scared.
      2. Spez
        Spez April 30 2018 20: 04
        0
        Quote: himRa
        the feeling of an airplane in the hands of the pilot as part of the body! easy and without straining ... spectacular

        Still would! He flies from the 10th grade of the school))
    2. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don April 30 2018 16: 07
      +39
      When I look at the worm-like Minister of Defense of Germany von den Lain, clenching her fists threatens Russia becomes a state of rage, they think that they have repented of the crimes of World War II and we all forgot, to hell with them all the faces, we remember and will not forgive. Our grandfathers didn’t exactly think when they took this filthy Germany that brought so much grief to our people that after some time this scum will again be knocked down with little hands and demand that Russia submit to their "new order".
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 30 2018 16: 51
        +13
        Yeah ... Well, Hindenburg did not expect that in the future the German army will be headed by a female gynecologist ..
        Quote: Ancestors from the Don
        When I look at the worm-like Minister of Defense of Germany von den Lain, clenching her fists threatens Russia becomes a state of rage, they think that they have repented of the crimes of World War II and we all forgot, to hell with them all the faces, we remember and will not forgive. Our grandfathers didn’t exactly think when they took this filthy Germany that brought so much grief to our people that after some time this scum will again be knocked down with little hands and demand that Russia submit to their "new order".
      2. dorz
        dorz April 30 2018 16: 55
        +10
        German pilots simply "no longer want to fight" and participate in the preparation of the "NATO military campaign against Russia."

        The Germans do not want to fight with Russia, but others do not mind. In my opinion, in Syria they are waiting for another swag. Su-34 in parking lots are on duty with the suspended X-35.
        1. Varyag77
          Varyag77 April 30 2018 18: 10
          +10
          Quote: dorz
          German pilots simply "no longer want to fight" and participate in the preparation of the "NATO military campaign against Russia."

          The Germans do not want to fight with Russia, but others do not mind. In my opinion, in Syria they are waiting for another swag. Su-34 in parking lots are on duty with the suspended X-35.

          Colleague, where did you get this photo?
          I’m honestly speaking, at the place of the FSB I would have found such a nickel without the right to correspond as they say.
          No offense. But already sickened. all drained. what is necessary and not necessary.
          1. dorz
            dorz April 30 2018 18: 39
            +3
            Quote: Varyag77
            I’m honestly speaking, at the place of the FSB I would have found such five-copecks without the right to correspond as they say. No offense. But already sickened. all drained. what is necessary and not necessary.
            In addition to the FSB, there is a Yandex organization. Address, and you will see articles with photos in top Russian newspapers.
            1. Varyag77
              Varyag77 1 May 2018 09: 33
              +2
              Quote: dorz
              Quote: Varyag77
              I’m honestly speaking, at the place of the FSB I would have found such five-copecks without the right to correspond as they say. No offense. But already sickened. all drained. what is necessary and not necessary.
              In addition to the FSB, there is a Yandex organization. Address, and you will see articles with photos in top Russian newspapers.

              So the newspaper also for the tail to Kolyma.
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 April 30 2018 22: 37
            0
            Quote: Varyag77
            I’m honestly speaking, at the place of the FSB I would have found such a nickel without the right to correspond as they say.

            I personally think that the Specialists are not asleep, it’s just that there is such a VAL along the way, here along the way it is necessary to attract FAPSI (or as it is now called) ...
    3. BZTM
      BZTM April 30 2018 16: 21
      +8
      Yes, the Germans will not drag them into the “cart” either by force to defend their homeland, Alexei, they only require money, but for the society that has sheltered they don’t want to do anything, I know what I'm talking about ... hi Mine lives in Saxony ... They see, they know, they are unhappy ... To put it mildly ...
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 April 30 2018 17: 26
        +6
        Quote: BZTM
        Yes, the Germans will not drag them into the “cart” either by force to defend their homeland, Alexei, they only require money, but for the society that has sheltered they don’t want to do anything, I know what I'm talking about ... hi Mine lives in Saxony ... They see, they know, they are unhappy ... To put it mildly ...

        Here Namesake - You're definitely not right! yes they’ll climb the carts with pleasure, and German women will start to drive across Germany on the Mountain! repeat If they cannot give an unarmed clue to them, and the only way they came up with the defense was to not disclose the facts of violence against German women, then with the “carts” they will officially begin to collect Harems! yes
        Shame on a nation - which cannot protect its Women! negative
        1. BZTM
          BZTM April 30 2018 17: 32
          +3
          I'm not talking about that-they’ll climb the carts with pleasure, and German women will start to drive across Germany on the Mountain! smile I’m saying that they won’t help the Germans deal with an external enemy, because they do not consider themselves to be part of Germany ... hi
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 April 30 2018 17: 35
            +3
            And tell me ka namesake, WHO is Germany's External Enemy ??? request
            1. BZTM
              BZTM April 30 2018 17: 39
              +2
              Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. laughing laughing laughing hi
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 April 30 2018 17: 48
                +5
                Quote: BZTM
                Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. laughing laughing laughing

                belay belay belay Underestimated the Threat! crying laughing We'll have to enroll in an international team (after all, we both have two, we have German roots)! soldier Just two of us will be enough, I will command, and You will protect the surrendering Luxemburgs, their entire Great Army of 73 people! laughing laughing wink
                1. BZTM
                  BZTM April 30 2018 17: 53
                  +2
                  good Agreed, Bratishk !!! drinks hi
                2. slava84
                  slava84 1 May 2018 09: 12
                  +1
                  They forgot about me! The three of us have roots. I also want to protect the Luximburgers. Will they feed?
                  Sincerely, Shayble Vyacheslav!
    4. Sergey985
      Sergey985 April 30 2018 16: 27
      +2
      Where are they, the glorious descendants of Hartmann and Mendelss? Grinded the "warriors"! laughing
      1. Schima68
        Schima68 1 May 2018 22: 48
        +1
        Like where, in Israel.
    5. papas-57
      papas-57 April 30 2018 21: 38
      +1
      If you want to live, you’ll not decide on such a thing. The labor exchange is calmer and safer.
  2. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU April 30 2018 16: 02
    +4
    Eh ... in the GDR there were good flyers on the MiG-29, the only ones who went to the Bundeswehr of the Federal Republic of Germany and did not know discrimination after the unification of Germany.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter April 30 2018 16: 37
      +5
      Recently, seven pilots of Eurofighter fighters resigned from the Bundeswehr, reports RT with reference to Contra Magazin. The reasons for their departure are unknown, however, according to the publication, German pilots simply “no longer want to fight” and participate in the preparation of the “NATO military campaign against Russia.”

      No. Something is hard to believe. Rather, the root should be sought here:
      Recently, the Federal Audit Office accused the Bundeswehr of embezzlement of funds allocated for the training of fighter pilots, which are about five million euros per person.

      The funds were mastered, the pilots may have gone through theoretical training, but with a raid they were “thrown”. But a real pilot without sky is no longer a pilot. Something like this ...
      1. cniza
        cniza April 30 2018 16: 50
        +3
        Pasha good time! hi , this is really so, he is either a pilot, or he has never been, in extreme cases, they leave for civil aviation.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell April 30 2018 17: 40
        +7
        Pasha, I just spoke with two former pilots, Italians. After September 11, patriotism was on the wave. Now people do not understand what they are doing in Iraq, Afghanistan, in ... There is no strategy: why, what goals. No one knows. When signing the second contract, Amers are offered a one-time poll: they leave, "on the circle" in the air companies it turns out better. I think the Germans have the same problems
        1. Bad_santa
          Bad_santa April 30 2018 19: 41
          +4
          Most likely they went to civil aviation where the RFP is much higher. The usual trend is not only in the west, but also in Russia. So stupidly fanned the news and filed in a patriotic frenzy
  3. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 30 2018 16: 02
    +2
    then they will need to be thanked-appointed as heads of the occupation administrations of the former German lands laughing
  4. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 30 2018 16: 03
    +4
    It's genetic yes . The “Aces” of the Luftwaffe also struck diarrhea from our fighters.
    1. mvg
      mvg April 30 2018 16: 39
      +5
      It was they who, with fear, for 300 of our "dropped" ... Adrenaline, Mlyn .. it's such a thing.
      Erich Hartman, Gerhard Barkhorn .. were the most timid.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 30 2018 17: 19
        +5
        Quote: mvg
        It’s they who, with fear, dropped our 300

        They had a different method of calculation than ours. So for 300, that's another question.
        1. mvg
          mvg April 30 2018 17: 37
          +4
          What kind of a downed plane was given 3 points each, like in football for a victory? Do not repeat other people's nonsense, if there were inaccuracies, then not so much critical. In the initial period, they had tactics, training (experience) and technology. Yes, and they flew constantly, there was no such thing as combat duty. And the best pilots flew much more often than youth.
          Read the Hans-Ulrich Rudel, flew 5-6 flights per day. In the total heap of the USSR, 150 aircraft were produced, but someone had beaten them. Plus 000 from the US and 10 from the British.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit April 30 2018 17: 52
            +6
            Quote: mvg
            What kind of a downed plane did they give on 3 points, like in football for a victory?

            Maybe so. lol But seriously, then ours, in order to testify to the downed one, it was necessary to confirm a bunch of independent witnesses, both from the ground and from the air. If the Germans were shot down behind the front line, they often did not count for the shot down. In short, the whole procedure. The Germans had "machine guns", if the camera recorded a hit, they could count as shot down when our calmly returned to the airfield.
            USSR issued 150 aircraft
            And what, all shot down?
            In the initial period, they had tactics
            In the initial period, half of Soviet aviation was burned at airfields.
            Read Hans-Ulrich Rudel
            Memoirs, this is not a story, but a personal account of events from the point of view of the author. I read, as in my youth, Shelenberg’s memoirs, so he damn turns out to be a real angel, in his course description.
            1. mvg
              mvg April 30 2018 18: 12
              0
              I read all this, both in the documentary and in the fiction. I believe that at the beginning of the war many of us were beaten. Then, to the “battle for the Kuban”, when both the level of pilots and the class of equipment were equal, the battles were almost on an equal footing, but all the same, with a dozen aces of Goering crossed the 200 mark, such as Novotny, Vilka and a few more from the JG-52.
              Aircraft destroyed on the ground do not count. But then they lost a lot. I looked at the photo.
          2. dvina71
            dvina71 April 30 2018 18: 17
            +1
            Quote: mvg
            What kind of a downed plane did they give on 3 points, like in football for a victory?

            No, they believed in the word. But the fact remains .. Already in the 44th year, there were practically no experienced pilots in the Luftwaffe.
            A lot of planes were released, but this does not mean that they were all shot down .. The French were presented with a Jacob as a whole regiment .. and they were not impoverished by this.
            In addition .. serious historians claim that
            In 1944, 620 thousand people worked in the Soviet aircraft industry, and 786 thousand people worked in the Goering Office. Despite this, Hitlerite Germany failed to surpass the NKAP in the scale of aircraft production. During the years of the great war, the USSR produced 116296 aircraft (of which 97140 combat aircraft), while Germany was able to produce only 88900 aircraft (including 78890 combat aircraft)

            As you can see, the difference in combat is not so great .. And given that no such IL-2 aircraft were produced in Germany .., then parity for fighters.
            1. mvg
              mvg 1 May 2018 05: 18
              0
              I have different numbers for airplanes. 157 261 ours, 119 307 Fritz. This is together with scouts and transporters. Most Americans produced 324.
              There may be parity on fighters, but keep in mind that Germany fought on 3 fronts: East, England and Normandy. And the British and Americans destroyed a lot, with their total superiority in quantity.
          3. himRa
            himRa April 30 2018 18: 31
            +5
            Quote: mvg
            In the total heap of the USSR, 150 aircraft were produced, but someone had beaten them. Plus 000 from the US and 10 from the British.

            Yes, more .... more ... why there is nothing to trifle! Threw corpses ...
            Do not repeat the myths about the best pilots / planes of the Reich ....
            But they didn’t remember the rudel, this rabid one-legged sabaka was constantly knocked down (32! Times) and this speaks of the work of the German exterminators of covering and stripping ...
            Read it - do not respect yourself, continuous barking of propaganda and lies!
            The main ,, accounts ”with gansics went during the retreat when there was no possibility of checking information ...
            plus a point system ,, accruals ,,, one engine, one point, even Hartman’s colleagues did not like, they considered an upstart
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE 1 May 2018 02: 58
              +3
              considered a scoundrel who had fled from the real war, he hunted for the lagging Soviet first-year-olds, when he saw a large number of American escort fighters in Romania, he simply jumped with a parachute
              1. mvg
                mvg 1 May 2018 05: 33
                0
                Those. Didn’t know anything and didn’t knock anything down? Oleg, in war all means are good. These “first year”, after 2-3 dozen sorties will become dangerous fighters (if they survive), it’s better to land them now than they will soon begin to land their own JG comrades. Blaming him for this is stupid; war is not a duel.
                About Romania did not hear some kind of nonsense ... Why jump, if you can just leave. The skill level allowed.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE 1 May 2018 08: 18
                  0
                  it’s better to land a couple of enemy aces so that they don’t land, or to shoot down five bombers, but he didn’t even engage in a maneuverable battle with newcomers if he couldn’t shoot down from the first unexpected approach
                  it means it’s necessary to google about this episode, knew nothing at all and there was no skill, the level of technology also didn’t allow him to leave.
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 1 May 2018 08: 49
                    0
                    Seven of them added to his track record, but he himself, once blocked by eight US fighters, was forced to leave the plane with a parachute, although he was not shot down.

                    I completely approve. He was blocked by high-speed Mustangs, it is impossible to leave, ahead either captive or knocked down. Oleg, you again distorted the story in your favor. The German is a smart person, able to quickly assess the situation and make a decision, which is very nice for me in a person. Not like the majority, who clutches his head and waits for others to decide everything, in case of emergency.
                    1400 sorties, 800 fights, 350 wins - this is a terrible enemy. He left the war without a scratch - the Gods are clearly indifferent to him. He survived 8 years of camps, did not break. Good girl.
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 1 May 2018 09: 06
                      +2
                      this German coward and vile person in particular, will knock down or at least use up ammunition and parachute
                      for some reason, some do not understand
                      out of less than 300 of them shot down (threw himself from 50 to 100), many jumped with a parachute?
                      was there anything to do with captivity? fool
                      it seems you just are not indifferent to the Nazis laughing
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                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 1 May 2018 12: 34
                      0
                      Quote: mvg
                      Good girl ...

                      exactly sympathize
                      Quote: mvg
                      Captivity - because they blocked and led to the landing.

                      Hartman Americans over Romania? lol love she is fool
                      Well, what did he jump out of at once? he had time to fight. I would have shot down one or two (3,4,5,6,7 as he wrote), then would have fallen to the ground there and jumped out. he didn’t take even minimal risk,
                      this is not a legend, this is a piece ... and snot, and only Natsik in my heart do not understand this
                      whom and what did he teach? do not confuse with Pokryshkin.
                      in vain the Americans didn’t shoot this “military” with a parachute, knowing his tactics would have full moral right, he wasn’t imprisoned by this jump
                      this one episode and even for such an ace is a disgrace to the German Luftwaffe at all times.
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 1 May 2018 17: 45
                        0
                        If they blocked and led, then there was no idea to shoot down, they led somewhere. Turn on logic. Not emotions. By the way, some sources say about this episode that he had no cartridges. And Romania wasn’t all fascist anymore, the Magyars had partially already flown over to the Allies, had left the axis.
                        Regarding the teaching, he was a comez of the JG-52, the best Luftwaffe squadron. Only for beautiful eyes they don’t put such a position and oak leaves do not hang. At 22 years old - major. Excuse me, who are you by rank? I do not know majors under 35. 1400 sorties - an example was shown, with which he himself was in the air, and fought to the last, he shot down the last one on May 8, 45, just in Romania.
                        You consider him a shame, and the Germans prayed for him.
                        PS: And why did you decide that you can put such emoticons, did I drink vodka or crony with you? Behave decently, and you can put emotions in yourself you know where ... You don’t know, I can specify.
                    3. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 1 May 2018 18: 11
                      0
                      where did they take him to England? Why is it taken that they blocked it? from the same sources? Magyars in Hungary.
                      forgive yourself who don’t understand such things, and on this bubi "pretty smart", etc. yes
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 2 May 2018 16: 28
                        0
                        1. Blocked - // http://airwar.ru/history/aces/ace2ww/pilotg/hartm
                        ann.html //
                        taken from here and from a couple of sources

                        2. May 21, 1944 Hartmann first encountered in the air with the US Air Force. Covering his link (German Schwarm), he attacked 4 American aircraft and shot down 2 P-51 Mustang fighters from them, and 2 more were shot down by his comrades. [8] On June 1, 1944, Hartmann shot down 4 Mustangs during one take-off over oil fields in Ploiesti, Romania. A month later, during his 5th battle with American fighters, he shot down 2 Mustangs, but another 8 followed him. During intensive maneuvering, Hartmann was able to take one P-51 into the scope, but found that the cartridges had run out and soon - fuel, and jumped with a parachute. At that moment he was worried whether they would shoot him like a light target? One of the fighters broke away from the rest of the group and flew right at him, but at the last moment turned away, waving goodbye.
                        3. They shot him down not 32 times, but 14

                        PS: This is due to the fact that he did not fight with the Mustangs. Let the enemies be evaluated objectively too. If it were a Soviet pilot, it would be cooler than Kozhedub and Pokryshkin. Which, incidentally, was forbidden to fly at the end of the war, God forbid they bring down. Yves Korea Kozhedub also did not fly. For the same reasons.
                        PPS: We finished the topic, it’s not interesting anymore. You can about football.
                    4. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 2 May 2018 18: 33
                      0
                      what for? range would not be enough, "sourcenikoff" yes
                      about knocking it down at the rudel, he always flew alone, as at that time - and jumped right away, it very much fell into his “tactics” of a single attack without entering into a maneuvering battle, he did not even have time to sit on his tail. Americans described this case
                      I wasn’t on the western front or in the air defense, I refused and was afraid of being transferred there, after 200 Soviet recruits the registrar stopped checking him, continue to lick this bastard-bastard and do not write anything about the Soviet aces.
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 3 May 2018 21: 05
                        0
                        But where did you get that he was afraid of something? A person who is afraid of 1400 fighting does not fly .. and does not shoot down 300 aircraft, this is not Nintendo, where you can save and continue.
                        Plin was so afraid of the western front that with a fright of 8 Mustangs he dropped .. the best fighters of the Second World War.
                        Updating - there was no such habit at that time, especially among the Germans.
                        And what, are Soviet aces intact? The Saints? Or not people? How many boys died in ace to grow one ace ... but just a gun.
                    5. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 3 May 2018 22: 46
                      0
                      from the description of his capture, and the "tactics", the Mustangs were not the best and did not fight on the eastern front,
                      they were all dumbfounded on pervitine, but not to such an extent yes
            2. mvg
              mvg 1 May 2018 05: 25
              0
              In any country, in any company, the person who stands out is considered an upstart, and there are few who love wink One cannot but admit that he was an extraordinary dude. Yes, they shot down, but survived, again at the helm and into battle, and not to the hospital for a couple of years, as most would have done. He was offered a headquarters position many times and refused.
              Yes, his memoirs are pompous and pompous, but this is not only with him .. very rarely can one read objective memoirs.
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE 1 May 2018 08: 20
                0
                vrudel nothing to do with, it says that they didn’t like cartman
          4. Captain45
            Captain45 April 30 2018 18: 40
            +1
            Quote: mvg
            What kind of a downed plane did they give on 3 points, like in football for a victory?

            There was an article on the VO about the calculation method, it was remembered that the Germans recorded a twin-engine aircraft as two in the number of engines and we considered shot down on the ground, and they were recorded by a photogun. So "not everything is so simple."
          5. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell April 30 2018 18: 50
            +1
            Quote: mvg
            In the initial period, they had tactics, training (experience) and

            Yes, and in '45 they gave youth under 145 hours to fly
          6. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin April 30 2018 22: 24
            0
            Quote: mvg

            0
            mvg (Maxim) Today, 17:37 ↑
            What kind of a downed plane did they give on 3 points, like in football for a victory?

            After the war, they checked according to documents how many planes were actually shot down in the Battle of Britain. It turned out that the Germans overestimated the number of downed English doubled, and the British overestimated the downed German three times. Moreover, those who fought on the Hurricanes lied more than those who fought on Spitfire (those who shot down realistically did not need a lie). Therefore, it turned out that the number of victories in Hurricanes is greater than the number of victories in Spitfires.
  5. Storming the Washington
    Storming the Washington April 30 2018 16: 12
    +5
    one fighter destroy the whole nature soldier there will still be flying over our Alaska! hamburger im at a cheeseburger
  6. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill April 30 2018 16: 22
    +8
    News level "Su-24" and "Cook."
    1. Eduard petrov
      Eduard petrov April 30 2018 16: 36
      +8
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      News level "Su-24" and "Cook."

      RT never lies, and its interpretation of events is the most interpreted of all! I am sure that all Nata will soon quit - so they are afraid of us.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill April 30 2018 16: 40
        +3
        RT never lies, and its interpretation of events is the most interpreted of all! I am sure that all Nata will soon quit - so they are afraid of us.

        laughing
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 April 30 2018 18: 45
        +1
        Quote: Eduard Petrov
        RT never lies

        RT refers to a third-party source .. but you don’t care ..
    2. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE 1 May 2018 03: 09
      0
      Any doubts about Cook?
  7. Altona
    Altona April 30 2018 16: 33
    +1
    Ursula whom the thread will get in exchange for those who left, even from the place where she studied in the main specialty. laughing laughing In general, a good pilot and a citizen nishtyak, there is also a shortage of pilots there. hi
    PS Two old watch-chronographs were with the symbolism of the Luftwaffe. Presented to relatives. The watch is inexpensive, Chinese-8k, and the accuracy is excellent, 1/10 of a second. On some it was possible to set a "point of no return".
    1. Fayth
      Fayth April 30 2018 18: 12
      +1
      What kind of Chinese watch is this with a difference of half a minute a year?
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 30 2018 22: 26
        0
        Quote: Fayth
        What kind of Chinese watch is this with a difference of half a minute a year?

        It's like mine, I bought it 15 years ago for 300 rubles, it takes half a minute for two years, and then I change the battery.
  8. Franz Josef Land
    Franz Josef Land April 30 2018 16: 51
    +3
    if there will be a war now I don’t even know ... there will be no land lease and allies
    1. Franz Josef Land
      Franz Josef Land April 30 2018 17: 05
      +1
      And now Ukraine is an enemy. China will also immediately take away Siberia and Baikal, etc.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain April 30 2018 17: 55
        +6
        Quote: Franz Josef Land
        if there will be a war now I don’t even know ... there will be no land lease and allies

        Oh byad, byad, in the garden of quinoa. Land Lisa will not. crying
        Quote: Franz Josef Land
        China will also immediately take away Siberia and Baikal, etc.

        Look how the land of Franz Joseph was not taken away by Rabinovich. laughing
        1. Lerych
          Lerych April 30 2018 18: 32
          +1
          What are you arguing with him? He’s already ready for Novaya Zemlya and the Novosibirsk Islands. Franz Joseph’s land is a joint territory of Russia and Norway. Let Norway declare war. Palestinians have moved there.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 30 2018 22: 38
        0
        Quote: Franz Joseph Land
        And now Ukraine is an enemy. China will also immediately take away Siberia and Baikal, etc.

        Kesha, where will the Belarusians be? Where are you going to get the bulb?
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 30 2018 17: 09
      +9
      If there is a war, the Russian Federation will be a kapets, because she is not ready economically, politically, or purely militarily. Putin and Co. know this, so they will do anything to avoid it.
      But here Churchill is recalled (in my opinion): if shame is chosen between shame and war, then we get both. Then see item 1.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 30 2018 18: 18
        +4
        Quote: Doliva63
        If there is a war, the Russian Federation will be a kapets, because she is not ready economically, politically, or purely militarily. Putin and Co. know this, so they will do anything to avoid it.

        Putin said - “If Russia will not be in this world, then why do we need this world?”, Dance from here. To die like this with music is the whole world in ruins, and let the survivors envy the dead.
        Quote: Doliva63
        But here Churchill is recalled (in my opinion): if shame is chosen between shame and war, then we get both.

        Better still, the world, albeit shitty. What Russia actually is trying to convey to the “partners”, but apparently they will not heed the mind, and therefore will receive the shame of defeat and the next vaccine from finding an excuse for a war of 50-70 years.
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 April 30 2018 18: 23
        0
        Quote: Doliva63
        If there is a war

        If there is a war, then that country will survive in which people are more inclined to self-organization .. Because nuclear weapons are not afraid of potential victims, but of the destruction of social structure, medicine, agriculture and industry .. what is called chaos.
      3. Captain45
        Captain45 April 30 2018 18: 43
        0
        Quote: Doliva63
        If there is a war, the Russian Federation will be a kapets, because she is not ready economically, politically, or purely militarily.

        Shaw, you can get white slippers and wrap yourself in a sheet until it starts crying
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 1 May 2018 17: 01
          +4
          Until it started - you can also have white slippers, because when it starts - just a canvas! laughing drinks
    3. dvina71
      dvina71 April 30 2018 18: 21
      +2
      You will study in detail the issue of lendlise .. It will become easier .. Especially against the backdrop of help from Mongolia and Tuva .. which simply gave all its gold to the USSR.
      In fact, a turning point in the war occurred near Moscow. Then lendlis was just scanty.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS April 30 2018 17: 08
    +4
    The military usually has more information about what is happening, here there is intelligence, military planning, training aimed at a particular theater of operations. Didn’t everyone get this information along the way?
  10. Vard
    Vard April 30 2018 17: 16
    +1
    As the saying goes ... the main thing is the trend ... and the trend is that without laying between the steering wheel and the seat, any technique is dead ...
  11. Cannonball
    Cannonball April 30 2018 17: 23
    +1
    What smart German pilots! Better to be alive and healthy than dead or sick.
  12. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 30 2018 17: 59
    +1
    reports RT
    this is of course a reliable source
    The reasons for their departure are unknown, however, according to the publication, German pilots simply "no longer want to fight" and participate in the preparation of the "NATO military campaign against Russia."

    Damn, these pilots least of all think about the war with Russia. 99% that civil aviation now pays more in Germany. It is possible that "did not work out" in the service (salary, raid, relations with colleagues). Or maybe the contract is over wassat Authors VO, where is an adequate analysis of the military-political situation in the world ??? Either extremes are printed, such as "all with caps" or "everything is gone," or even fakes and conjectures.
    1. Filxnumx
      Filxnumx April 30 2018 18: 22
      +1
      The global trend, however. Where have you seen or heard the “adequate analysis” of at least some situation in the world?
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok April 30 2018 18: 35
        0
        Quote: Fil743
        The global trend, however. Where have you seen or heard the “adequate analysis” of at least some situation in the world?

        I put you a plus, but I notice that sane articles sometimes slip through. Unfortunately, sometimes. In general, I’m doing my own re-reading on a topic of interest to those who are “for” and those who are “counter”. Moreover, comparing with previously published information and their own experience.
  13. Lerych
    Lerych April 30 2018 18: 07
    0
    The British Minister of the Interior resigned, screwed up. So the Luftwaffe is not doing so well. Who needs it, war?
  14. Mentat
    Mentat April 30 2018 18: 40
    +5
    Quote: Eduard Petrov
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    News level "Su-24" and "Cook."

    RT never lies, and its interpretation of events is the most interpreted of all! I am sure that all Nata will soon quit - so they are afraid of us.

    This is not an interpretation, not a statement, but an assumption in an obvious form with a question mark. This article is published in the German-language journal Contra Magazin, which collaborates with RT, and which RT quotes.

    But I think you need this information on the forehead, on the forehead.
  15. RedKors1953
    RedKors1953 April 30 2018 18: 57
    +2
    If they leave, they have found a job more respectably in monetary terms.
  16. NF68
    NF68 April 30 2018 19: 47
    +4
    The reason for the dismissal of the pilots is most likely connected with the violent and not always really necessary activity of the German Defense Minister for the Bundeswehr. This is not the first time that a rather large disagreement has arisen between the military and Mrs. Minister, and this applies not only to pilots.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 1 May 2018 13: 45
      0
      Was the female gynecologist not the best defense minister? Who would have thought!
  17. andron-30
    andron-30 April 30 2018 20: 01
    0
    what say zer gut
  18. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 30 2018 20: 02
    0
    For the point is not iron
  19. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 30 2018 20: 11
    0
    To China, to civilian planes. The Chinese pay 25 000 dollars to FAC. Anything more than in Germany.
    1. NF68
      NF68 April 30 2018 20: 39
      +1
      Quote: 16112014nk
      To China, to civilian planes. The Chinese pay 25 000 dollars to FAC. Anything more than in Germany.


      On a citizen in Germany and in France, too, are not badly paid:

      Piloten der Lufthansa gehören zu den Einkommensgewinnern. Sie steigen nach der Ausbildung mit durchschnittlich rund 65.000 Euro als Kopilot ins Cockpit. Durch Zulagen sind jährlich bis zu 73.000 Euro drin. Als Kapitän fängt man mit rund 110.000 Euro pro Jahr an. In der Spitze sind Gehälter von 250.000 Euro (und teilweise sogar noch mehr) drin. Das Durchschnittseinkommen der Lufthansa-Piloten liegt bei rund 181.000 Euro im Jahr. Ähnlich gut zahlt Air France KLM mit einem Spitzengehalt von bis zu 230.000 Euro.
  20. misti1973
    misti1973 April 30 2018 22: 23
    0
    Well, maybe they don’t want to. What is there? The war for the incomprehensible whose interests of normal people does not appeal. Only after all, the German Air Force did not seem to be going to this "holiday". But if the Israeli Air Force pilots would refuse, that would be a sensation!
    1. NF68
      NF68 3 May 2018 16: 24
      0
      Quote: misti1973
      Well, maybe they don’t want to. What is there? The war for the incomprehensible whose interests of normal people does not appeal. Only after all, the German Air Force did not seem to be going to this "holiday". But if the Israeli Air Force pilots would refuse, that would be a sensation!


      And who really needs this war in Russia or in Germany, not just in words,? For what? Already gained. "Cream", if that, for any US will be removed.
  21. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 May 2018 00: 02
    0
    Yeah, that is, preparations are already underway for an attack on us.
    And this is how kapets is alarming. Assumptions and jokes are one thing
    and the other is the understanding that war in general cannot be avoided.
  22. MadCat
    MadCat 1 May 2018 02: 15
    0
    I don’t understand why this is bullshit in the title? After such chants at the uryatreotov collective orgasms begin?
  23. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 1 May 2018 03: 30
    +1
    When you quit your job, do you think a lot about NATO? Likewise, German pilots do not care about us. There are plenty of other reasons
  24. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 1 May 2018 10: 08
    0
    7 out of 120 - about 5%. Approximately corresponds to the natural loss of personnel (the professional life of a military pilot, especially a fighter, is exactly 20 years old). So I don’t see a reason for the conclusions "the Luftwaffe is running away!"
    But 113 and 120 pilots for 140 aircraft, this is really close to disaster. The experience of the Arab-Israeli wars showed that it is optimal when there are 2 pilots per plane, then after short maintenance, refueling and re-equipment, the plane rises again, and the rested pilot is less prone to errors due to overwork. The same principle is applied by the Americans in the submarine fleet - two interchangeable crews, which allowed them to keep their submarines at sea much more time during the confrontation than in the Soviet Navy.
    Now let's see how the Germans will solve the problem of a shortage of pilots: as in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in pre-Deruk times, there are more schools, more training, more graduation of young pilots, or just by Serdyukovsky, who first understood a simple truth - if the military did not pay normal money, then how many lieutenants you’re not preparing, they tend to dissolve into nowhere, therefore it’s better to use part of the money that is being spent on training and maintaining schools to increase the military’s money, then one hundred graduates become one hundred pilots, otherwise we get 1000 military pilots out of 10 graduates (this those who turn in military service) and 990, by hook or by crook, who escaped from the army.
    So my (and Anatoly Eduardovich's) free advice to the Germans: reduce the number of trained pilots by half, and save the money saved on the salaries of the remaining pilots, and you won’t have to cry about the fleeing personnel.
  25. net0103net
    net0103net 1 May 2018 10: 33
    0
    They don’t want to, therefore, become war heroes. It’s a pity that the situation is such that almost all candidates could become heroes ... mostly posthumously. Well, this is a plus of conducting wars of conquest - you can not capture. They chose life and world peace))
    However, I am grateful and respect those not many who made a different choice when they left - I respect those who could not exchange the honor and valor of a warrior against the temptation to fall into one herd and become “heroes”. Surely there are people there who are not afraid of anything and are ready to fight in any circumstances with any superiority of the enemy. So I am very grateful to them for the fact that they were smart enough and decent to not consider us enemies.
  26. Vanek
    Vanek 1 May 2018 12: 03
    +2
    That's what IL-2 does ...

    One of its kind floor elevator alphabets out of order.
  27. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa 1 May 2018 14: 00
    0
    maybe they saw this? laughing

  28. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 1 May 2018 17: 21
    0
    Quote: mvg
    What kind of a downed plane was given 3 points each, like in football for a victory? Do not repeat other people's nonsense, if there were inaccuracies, then not so much critical. In the initial period, they had tactics, training (experience) and technology. Yes, and they flew constantly, there was no such thing as combat duty. And the best pilots flew much more often than youth.
    Read the Hans-Ulrich Rudel, flew 5-6 flights per day. In the total heap of the USSR, 150 aircraft were produced, but someone had beaten them. Plus 000 from the US and 10 from the British.

    Why not 1,5 million? Where do you get these numbers? 89 thousand in total. The Germans flew more often, because there were fewer of them ... They lost 68 thousand planes with us ... Someone shot them down ... laughing tongue wassat it has already been proven that all their numbers should be divided by 6, or even by 7 ... For me, a pilot who did not let down any escorted aircraft to shoot down on combat sorties is more valuable .. bully
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE 1 May 2018 18: 12
      0
      because they sat on pervitine, he was not only a pan-panther yes