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August 1914-th again ahead?

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Опыт stories teaches that the ladder of escalation of military conflicts is far from being as controlled as it seems to some.




The Israeli command is not accidentally modest, refusing to admit its responsibility for strikes against Iranian military bases in Syria. And the matter is not at all in the "traditional policy of refusing to comment on such events." Everything is much more serious.

For Israel, as sad as it sounds, is playing a very risky game. And the degree of this risk is such that there is practically no doubt that the Israeli leaders have already decided on their future strategy and made their stakes. At first glance it may seem that this strategy is reckless. Indeed, if we assume that Israel is not interested in a large-scale confrontation with Iran, then its behavior looks illogical.

It is hardly worth taking for granted the speculation about certain "limited actions" required by Israel, so that Iran would keep itself on Syrian territory in a certain framework that is safe for Israel. For aviation striking Iran’s military bases in Syria is not at all a tool that can guarantee Israel military security.

Equally ephemeral are his hopes, if they exist at all, on the deterrent influence of Moscow in relation to its Iranian ally. First, because the allied relations between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Ingushetia are quite opportunistic and subject to fluctuations. And secondly, Iran considers itself an equal-sized Russian power and is unlikely to listen to its advice if it considers the situation to require an adequate response. And here, Moscow will not help Israel at all.

In other words, the situation is such that the Iranian-Israeli military confrontation may break out at any time. And this in itself excludes the version of spontaneity and the limited goals of such attacks. In addition, given the extreme ambition and intransigence of both sides, this collision can quickly grow to the scale of a major regional war.

Moreover, the current Israeli "attacks" on Iran may well be a consequence of the implementation of the very popular in Israel doctrine of preventive destruction of the Iranian military potential even before it presents an existential threat to it. It cannot be ruled out that these attacks are quite deliberately inflicted with the aim of compelling Iran to respond and in such a way bring the timing of a preemptive massive strike against this country, against which the United States will certainly be involved in military actions. Moreover, they themselves may be interested in such a development of events. Especially in view of Washington’s growing claims to a nuclear deal with Tehran and a clearly growing willingness to drastically change its course in the Iranian direction in the direction of greater confrontation. It is hardly a coincidence that the Israeli attacks on Iranian objects in Syria have become much more frequent recently, strictly in sync with the intensification of American anti-Iranian rhetoric. And with the preparations for the opening of the American Embassy in Jerusalem.

At the same time, such a tiny state like Israel will react extremely painfully to any attempts to strike blows at its territory and will respond to them with the greatest possible force. Until the use of nuclear missile weaponsin service with him. All these years the Israeli Air Forces have been intensively engaged in combat training in Bulgaria, the distance to which is exactly the same as to Iran. And it is clear that the Israeli pilots will not risk their lives overcoming the Iranian C-300 barrier only in order to throw a couple of ordinary bombs on some Iranian city. Moreover, the strategic means of the missile attack of the Iranian Armed Forces are located in rock shelters under the ground and are generally immune from the usual bombardment.

As for the measure of the political determination of the Israeli leadership to use such extreme means as nuclear weapons, I would not recommend anyone to doubt it. In the event of any situation that this guide deems threatening the country's existence, and this is a very wide range of possible threats, decisions can be made without the slightest hesitation.

In this regard, it is worth recalling one very indicative case. Some time ago, in 2009, a serious incident arose between the Russian Federation and Israel involving the alleged sending of C-300 missiles to Iran by sea. This very muddy story is still covered with a veil of almost impenetrable secrets. However, something to hide all the same failed. In particular, the fact that the ship "Arctic Sea", allegedly carrying these missiles, was attacked directly into the sea by some mysterious forces. And Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu urgently flew to the then Russian President Medvedev and had a very tough conversation with him, during which, according to some sources, a rather ominous phrase allegedly sounded from his lips: “If we have to, we will take the whole world with us!”

Whether it was said or not, in the context of the then Israeli threats to launch a nuclear strike on Iran, it is not known for certain. But it is worth recalling that even today Netanyahu, who has long been known as a man of extremely radical and uncompromising views, is working for Israel’s prime minister.

Thus, the Iran-Israel war, which is quite probable and even logical in the event that Israeli aircraft continue to attack Iran’s military facilities in Syria, can very quickly enter the nuclear missile phase.

And although Iran does not officially have nuclear weapons, it certainly has, like any large enough country, other means will be found to effectively counter its Israeli counterpart. The radius of action of Iranian ballistic missiles grows literally from launch to launch. And the Iranian troops are already in one day’s transition from the Israeli border.

In other words, such a war, regardless of the plans of the parties, will inevitably raise the question of the future existence of Israel. And this is exactly the “red line”, at which achievement his main ally, the United States, even with all the desire, even if they have one, which is extremely doubtful, will not be able to stand aside. Accordingly, the great Middle Eastern war, after the direct inclusion of America into it, will inevitably take on the character of quasi-peace.

Meanwhile, Iran in the modern world plays the role of one of the main pillars of modern anti-hegemonism, on the side of which dozens of countries of the world, led by Russia, China and the same Iran, openly or covertly act. That is, we will talk about the threat of the destruction of one of these supporting structures, without which the entire building of the modern world order could collapse.

Will Russia and China be ready in such critical conditions to show restraint and take a position of non-interference in the process of beating Iran? I can only say that this is far from a fact. If only because, having made a gap of such a large size on an anti-Western front, the West will certainly not stop at this and will further increase the pressure on the remaining geopolitical competitors. That is, the situation will seriously deteriorate for the main opponents of the United States. I’m not sure that Moscow and Beijing are ready to tolerate the risk of such a deterioration. Consequently, the probability of their involvement in a large showdown around Iran is far from zero. And in this case, a quasi-world war will very quickly become just a third world war.

Of course, it will be a disaster, which, in principle, no one wants. However, there is such a concept in the theory of military conflicts as the “escalation ladder”, the ascent of the steps of which is not always amenable to effective control. A very large element, especially in the confusion of a military confrontation, is an element of spontaneous response to attacks and threats with even more powerful attacks and threats. And so on until the very end. Has anyone in August 1914 thought that killing just one person, even the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, would ultimately lead to the death of tens of millions of people? Of course no! That is why so easily and vigorously humanity stepped into this bottomless abyss.

More than a hundred years ago, one revolver and one corpse was enough to start the world massacre. What to speak about the present day, when instead of a revolver bombers with bombs and rockets are used, and the corpses are multiplying almost exponentially? In such a situation, it is clearly not necessary to count on the unresponsive long-suffering of the beating party. And I would even say that today we are much closer to something like August 1914, than Europe of that time. I would, of course, be mistaken. Here are just a reason for this.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 1 May 2018 05: 25
    +6
    That is, the situation will seriously deteriorate for the main opponents of the United States. I’m not sure that Moscow and Beijing are ready to admit the risk of such deterioration. Consequently, the probability of their involvement in a big showdown around Iran is far from zero.

    No one will stand up for Iran, as well as for Iraq in 2003. And precisely because of the unwillingness of TMV due to a bad, but not deadly bad event.
    however, there is such a concept in the theory of military conflicts as the “escalation ladder”, the ascent of which is by no means always subject to effective control. The element of spontaneous response to strikes and threats with even more powerful strikes and threats is very large, especially in the confusion of military confrontation.
    Such a danger really is
    Did anyone think in August 1914 that the murder was merely one man, even the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, will ultimately lead to the death of tens of millions of people?

    What does Ferdinand have to do with it? The war began because Germany wanted a redivision of the world.
    Israel can, nevertheless, attack Iran and even deliver a nuclear strike to it, and the United States will support it, just like Britain and France.
    The rest will be viewed from the side.
    But the West won’t save it: there is little left until Europe becomes Muslim, USA-Latin American and black, and lonely Israel will not be so comfortable ...
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 1 May 2018 10: 04
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      little remains until Europe becomes Muslim, US-Hispanic and black

      But what about yellowstone?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 1 May 2018 11: 17
        +2
        Quote: Sam_gosling
        But what about yellowstone?

        And what happened to him? belay
        1. Dashing
          Dashing 1 May 2018 13: 02
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          And what happened to him?

          Dear Olgovich, let me get into your conversation and assume that Sam_gosling meant that the good old yellowstone would make Israel lonely in quality much earlier than the "blackening" and "Latin Americanization" of the USA, which would sink into eternity under the weight of its sins.
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 3 May 2018 10: 44
            0
            So that's how Atlantis disappeared !!!!!
    2. Silhouette
      Silhouette 3 May 2018 09: 45
      0
      Quote: Olgovich
      No one will stand up for Iran, as well as for Iraq in 2003. And precisely because of the unwillingness of TMV due to a bad, but not deadly bad event

      Let's call a spade a spade. "Nobody" is Russia. Yes, it will not intervene. The pro-Israel lobby will not allow.

      Quote: Olgovich
      as for Iraq in 2003.

      As for Yugoslavia in 1997.
      Quote: Olgovich
      precisely the reason for the unwillingness of TMB

      TMV has been going on for a long time. Only some do not notice her. This is despite the fact that Yugoslavia is gone, Libya is gone, there is no Iraq, there is no Yemen, there is no Somalia, there is no Sudan, there is almost no Syria, Ukraine will soon be gone .... And there it is our turn ...

      Quote: Olgovich
      due to a bad but not deadly bad event
  2. Sars
    Sars 1 May 2018 05: 31
    +3
    The Jews, through their constant bombardment of Iranian objects in Syria, have brought the situation to grips. One gets the feeling that these are deliberate provocations.
    Will Iran be able to destroy Israel without nuclear weapons with a massive missile strike? Maybe. Although the Persians are very calculating people, they obviously cook a surprise.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 1 May 2018 06: 53
      +4
      That's for sure. The Jews consciously practice US investments. That’s why they’re so cocky, and to maintain the image, even the tales of the combat readiness of the Israeli army were created and supported without sparing money.
      The history of the emergence and formation of Israel is very vile and bloody. Continuous robbery and murder. So it’s not for their own savings, but for quite official feeding from the USA.
      Jews are simply being prepared for extermination. Already today there is no more hateful than * Jews * in the Middle East.
      1. flicker
        flicker 1 May 2018 12: 28
        +1
        Jews are simply being prepared for extermination.
        Most likely, although they are told that the war with Iran is in the interests of the security of Israel and that you are guaranteed to win, all the more Jews know (inspired) that Tzahal is invincible - they rub it next to the Jews. Those who are in the subject, regarding the real possibilities of Tsakhal, quietly, in your ear, you only get in, and there we will jump and bang Iran, and then you will blow that Tsakhal is invincible.
        That's just an attack on Iran is a threat to Russia and China - and this means that both Russia and China will help the warring Iran. The USA will not be drawn into such a war (not victorious), which means that they will leave Israel face to face with Iran. As soon as Israel shows signs of “ill health,” Egypt and Jordan will immediately show interest in the territory of Israel.
        But there is a part of the forces in Israel that do not want this war (understanding its consequences) - and they hopefully look towards Russia that it will not allow this war to unleash. These forces are waiting for negotiations between Putin and Netanyahu.
        1. sergeyezhov
          sergeyezhov 2 May 2018 09: 21
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          Quote: flicker
          These forces are waiting for negotiations between Putin and Netanyahu

          Talks are regularly held between Putin and Natanyahu and there is complete mutual understanding.
          1. flicker
            flicker 2 May 2018 09: 59
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            Talks are regularly held between Putin and Natanyahu and there is complete mutual understanding.
            That's wonderful
      2. Silhouette
        Silhouette 3 May 2018 09: 56
        +2
        Quote: Vasily50
        Jews are simply being prepared for extermination.

        The most intelligent have long been dumped from Israel to the United States, as soon as the talk about the "Iranian threat" began. Remained doomed to slaughter. New victims of the next Holocaust. Amen
    2. Yodzakura
      Yodzakura 1 May 2018 22: 23
      +1
      Will Iran be able to destroy Israel without nuclear weapons with a massive missile strike? Maybe. Although the Persians are very calculating people, they obviously cook a surprise
      Nothing to stay from Iran
  3. pine
    pine 1 May 2018 06: 02
    0
    For Russia, only one reliable partner is Cuba
  4. Miflecet
    Miflecet 1 May 2018 06: 16
    +4
    Yesterday, Netanyahu’s sensational statement about the outstanding Mossad operation spread around the world press. Intelligence was able to find a venue for research on the development of nuclear weapons by Iran, in violation of agreements with the Russian Federation, including their termination. All documentation was obtained and sent to Israel confirming this fact . So the fears of Israel and its attacks on Iranian positions at its borders are not unfounded. However, VO visitors are for the most part confident in our fear of the ayatols. “Well, you, so the Jews are afraid of enuresis before Iran?” This is another of the mildest comments. Not only we, but the whole world need to be afraid of Iran. The article talks about Netanyahu's uncompromising and radicalism. This is not at all true, and the system of checks and balances in democratic Israel works 24 hours a day. But the author in a current publication did not say a word about the uncompromising and aggressive religious fanatics from Tehran. But in vain! And, excuse the pun, it is not in vain that all Arab countries, and Turkey, are anti-Iranian. The position of the States is also unequivocal, Europe, as "a stupid penguin timidly hides a fat body in the cliffs." China and India have not said their word yet. The Russian Federation is also waiting for its position, which is still not completely clear. And a lot depends on her. But everyone will have to decide soon enough.
    1. flicker
      flicker 1 May 2018 12: 35
      +6
      this is a sensational statement:
  5. Whitesnow
    Whitesnow 1 May 2018 06: 42
    +3
    It can’t even reach the Jews that Muslims in general, and Arabs in particular, have studied and taken into account the experience of relations with Israelis. And if the situation develops from a threatening to a hot phase, then Israel, as a state, will disappear from the face of the Earth within a day. Israel’s air defense and missile defense forces are effective only when it comes to war with Hezbollah and other paramilitary formations. And if the IRI runs out of patience, then the massive air defense missile bomb of the Iranian Air Force with the support of the SAR will not be able to withstand the Israeli air defense and missile defense system.
    Therefore, the Israeli leadership needs to look for a peaceful solution, and not pretend to be fools and attack Iranian troops in the territory of the SAR from Lebanese airspace.
    1. Miflecet
      Miflecet 1 May 2018 06: 49
      +4
      We have already heard this song. And repeatedly. In the most different execution. Oh, they would have been given if they had caught up with us. "Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness?"
      1. Whitesnow
        Whitesnow 1 May 2018 07: 29
        +4
        And what have my dreams to do with it? And who told you that I dream of the destruction of Israel? Nothing half there ours? And this state was created by us. But it would be nice for you to buy a calculator. And to estimate how many missiles Iran can simultaneously send towards Eretz Yisrael. Plus ATS with an unresolved issue of the Golan Heights, Yes, and Egypt is not the headmaster of the school. Remind me of Lebanon and Israel’s best friend? And the example of the Six Day War is not necessary. It was a victory of organization over chaos. There will be no second such case.
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 1 May 2018 09: 11
        +6
        Miflecet
        Oh, they would have been given if they had caught up with us.
        You in your "greatness and invincibility" have even overtaken the Americans. Enough to make oneself of the "great and terrible" being actually an aggressive satellite of the United States.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 1 May 2018 10: 07
          +5
          If at least one Iranian bomb falls on Israel, the United States and its NATO allies will immediately come into action (not all, true). Plus Saudis with hangers-on. Iran is then over. All this is calculated and taken on a course to provoke Iran, any garbage will come under the "Belli case" - Israel has embarked on the final solution to the "Iranian issue."
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 1 May 2018 18: 57
            +1
            "Iran is then over."
            May I ask? What will be the end? Destroyed infrastructure or occupation forces?
            I dare to suggest that then the end will come to the Western presence in Iraq, Syria and ... in the same Iran. That is, throughout the Middle East. Any pro-Western movements in Iran will be eliminated physically. Suspend them, and perhaps even by the neck. To occupy Iran - I wonder which country will decide on this? But the "allies of shaitan" will have a very hard time ...
            That is, to beat one or two times, Iran is quite capable even of Israel. But in the long run, the States can collect manat and leave the Middle East.
            1. sergeyezhov
              sergeyezhov 2 May 2018 09: 27
              +1
              Quote: Bakht
              To occupy Iran - I wonder which country will decide on this?

              No one in a sober mind and memory will not send ground troops to Iran. They simply bombed in the Stone Age destroying Bushehr and other industrial enterprises, deprived of the opportunity to trade in oil by blocking access to the sea, destroyed most of the ground and missile forces from the air. Oil will fly up to $ 200. It is very beneficial to Russia and disadvantageous to Europe. Therefore, she hesitates.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 2 May 2018 09: 52
                +1
                Will oil fly up to 200? Iran has not been allowed to trade oil for 10 years. And what did she take off?
                In no stone age will no one be bombarded. The maximum that will be is a couple of blows. And it is still not known how they will end. But Iran has the most effective answer. Will Iran risk taking it? That is the question. And then the oil ... no, it won’t take off. She just won't be there.
                Georgafia is such a thing that no one can change
              2. CYM
                CYM 4 May 2018 19: 07
                +2
                Quote: sergeyezhov
                Oil will fly up to $ 200. It is very beneficial to Russia

                And the United States with their unprofitable shale projects. And if most of the BV will become a radioactive desert, then in general a fairy tale. For the sake of this, Israel is not sorry. winked
      3. Totah155
        Totah155 1 May 2018 10: 07
        +5
        Quote: Mifletset
        We have already heard this song. And repeatedly. In the most different execution. Oh, they would have been given if they had caught up with us. "Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness?"

        They living in Russia cannot understand that in the east they understand only power.
        Here is a different mentality.
        In BV there are too many who want to "grab us".
        We really, every day should fight for our existence.
        I repeat once again: the Russians do not understand us
        1. Schima68
          Schima68 1 May 2018 12: 22
          +4
          Be human, and no one will touch or harass you.
          1. Totah155
            Totah155 1 May 2018 13: 44
            +5
            Quote: Schima68
            Be human, and no one will touch or harass you.

            And by what criteria do you rate people?
            Who are the people for you ( laughing ) and who is not?
  6. digitalcn75
    digitalcn75 1 May 2018 09: 40
    +2
    Thanks for the article, author. A pure analysis of the situation without taking sides. Israel and Iran on the verge of a mutually destructive war, this has happened more than once in the history of mankind, when the existence of one state is incompatible with the existence of another. It will be a war of extermination. So far, it does not seem that there is a force capable of holding the Persians and Jews from the battle, not for life, but for death. Soon the storm will strike. May God allow third parties to refrain from irreparable acts. There is almost no doubt about the big regional war; the chance that it will not go to WW3 remains.
    1. sergeyezhov
      sergeyezhov 2 May 2018 09: 31
      0
      Quote: digitalcn75
      It will be a war of extermination

      Israel is not going to exterminate the Persians. Its main task is to remove Iranian bases from Syria.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 2 May 2018 09: 57
        0
        This is from the realm of fiction. Iranian bases in Syria are already a fact. Iran has already reached the Mediterranean Sea.
        Question. And what does Israel care about the military bases of one country in another country? Israel can definitely decide what to do to Syria and Iran?
        Iran supports Hezbollah in Lebanon. Rather, he created it. So bomb Hezbollah bases in Lebanon. Moreover, rockets fly to Israel not from Syria, but from Lebanon. Can you answer why the bases of Iran (Hezbollah) in Lebanon are not hit? But I didn’t hear something like that. Do you know the answer?
        1. sergeyezhov
          sergeyezhov 2 May 2018 13: 14
          0
          Quote: Bakht
          Can you answer why the bases of Iran (Hezbollah) in Lebanon are not hit?

          Israel is not profitable to bomb Lebanon. In general, everything has its time. Lebanese weapon caches are certainly in the army’s target bank.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 2 May 2018 13: 19
            0
            Well, also as an answer option ....
            And for me, there is no Islamic state in Lebanon. Who is there to help ....?
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  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 1 May 2018 10: 00
    +1
    And now, we are sitting and thinking about the question: who, in fact, and for what, dragged Russia to Syria .....
    1. Antares
      Antares 1 May 2018 10: 38
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      And now, we are sitting and thinking about the question: who, in fact, and for what, dragged Russia to Syria .....

      Gazprom not?
      More precisely, the interests of Gazprom (which, as you know, are the interests of modern Russia).
      Comparison of the unfounded in the articles - then Stalingrad, then Kursk, then already reached the WWII.
      In general, I learned a lot laughing . It turns out Israel lives only thanks to the help of the Russian Federation.
      Like any country, Israel oppresses its line. Moreover, he is there next to all the events. So to speak its own zone of influence, defense.
      Thus, the Iran-Israel war, which is quite probable and even logical in the event that Israeli aircraft continue to attack Iran’s military facilities in Syria, can very quickly enter the nuclear missile phase.
      And although Iran does not officially have nuclear weapons, it certainly has, like any large enough country, other means will be found to effectively counter its Israeli counterpart. The radius of action of Iranian ballistic missiles grows literally from launch to launch. And the Iranian troops are already in one day’s transition from the Israeli border.

      some sort of beating of Iran is obtained. Once he has no nuclear weapons. And aviation is weaker than the enemy + allies are few.
      Israel is already one of the most warring countries. Since they know better what's what and decide what to do to ensure preventive defense.
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 2 May 2018 16: 04
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      And now, we are sitting and thinking over the question: who, in fact, and for what, dragged Russia to Syria .....


      Russia is that a girl who is "dragged" somewhere is not too lazy?
  9. flicker
    flicker 1 May 2018 11: 32
    +2
    Israel is a US puppet, Israel’s war with Iran is needed not so much by Israel as the United States. In general, Israel could have long agreed with Iran and there would have been no threat of war. But Iran’s policy doesn’t suit the United States, they cannot openly enter into conflict, since an open run over Iran is a bell for China and Russia - it means Iran must be attacked by other forces (ISIS was assumed), only Israel remained from other forces (it seems geldings believe that Jews should lay down their lives and their state for the geopolitical interests of the United States). Probably the mechanism of the war between Israel and Iran has already been launched, where the United States will stand up for Israel (it seems that they promised Israel - otherwise they did not show such agility).
    First of all, the war with Iran is a call to China and Russia, relations between China and the United States are being radicalized. In this case, Russia and China will defend Iran, the United States will not sign for Israel, the latter will fall as a result of the betrayal of the geldings.
    Up to the use of nuclear missile weapons that he (Israel) is armed with.
    Israel doesn’t have its own nuclear weapons - but with the United States. And where is the guarantee that Iran will not receive the same nuclear weapons from, say, Pakistan, India, China or Russia?
    The war of Israel and Iran is a guaranteed end to Israel.
    1. dzen123
      dzen123 1 May 2018 19: 08
      +2
      In general, a "plus", but let me express doubt about China's participation in the defense of Iran. What is the main interest of the Chinese in Iran? Oil. This seems to be important. But western markets, including the market of the USA, Canada and Mexico, the Chinese do not want to lose from the word at all. And let the Russians deliver oil - is it in vain that the Power of Siberia is being sculpted. Or agree with the sheikhs. And here I doubt very much that the Kremlin will climb into the conflict to cover Iran alone. In the UN Security Council - yes, Nebenzya will drag another American “mop” in front of the media video cameras for patls, and behind the scenes kiss her on both cheeks. Voentorg will be connected to the fullest - do not go to the grandmother here. Our Caspian (while the Kazakhs have not yet sold to the United States). However, there will be no sale of nuclear energy to Iran.
    2. Sars
      Sars 2 May 2018 04: 39
      0
      The Pakistanis promised to give nuclear weapons for temporary use to the Persians a couple of years ago, when Netanyahu drew red lines.
    3. sergeyezhov
      sergeyezhov 2 May 2018 09: 34
      +1
      Quote: flicker
      In general, Israel could have long agreed with Iran and there would have been no threat of war.

      Israel could. Yes, Iran can’t. Iran denies Israel the right to exist. For him, the recognition of Israel is tantamount to a change in the political system.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 2 May 2018 09: 58
        0
        Sow the wind - reap the storm.
      2. flicker
        flicker 2 May 2018 10: 02
        +2
        Iran denies Israel's right to exist
        Well, oddly enough, but all this is heard from the lips of Israel, not Iran.
        1. sergeyezhov
          sergeyezhov 2 May 2018 14: 00
          +1
          Quote: flicker
          Well, oddly enough, but all this is heard from the lips of Israel, not Iran.

          In 2000, Iran’s top leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, in his speech called Israel a “cancerous tumor,” which must be uprooted from the region.
  10. konstant213
    konstant213 1 May 2018 13: 01
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    What does Ferdinand have to do with it? The war began because Germany wanted a redivision of the world.

    All Europe wanted war then, and no one thought that would happen, they just wanted to fight a little.
  11. Sonet
    Sonet 1 May 2018 13: 19
    +1
    Russia will not fight for Iran. From the word Generally, Putin cannot even tame some bandit-Bandera’s men, although nobody stands behind them. And Israel is behind all of NATO, all of Europe, which is closer and sweeter to our Russian liberals than ,, unwashed through their own fault Russia ,,.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 13: 43
      +2
      Quote: Sonet
      Russia will not fight for Iran. From the word General

      And rightly so.
    2. omit
      omit 1 May 2018 14: 10
      +2
      Sonet
      "Russia will not fight for Iran."
      How will it not be? Putin ate matzo on dogs? Ate! So it will be! laughing
    3. flicker
      flicker 1 May 2018 14: 38
      0
      Russia will not fight for Iran
      No, of course, just like the United States will not fight for Israel (although they promise naive Jews). Israel and Iran will fight, Israel with American weapons, and Iran with Russian and Chinese - if the United States transfers nuclear weapons to Israel (Israel does not have its own, only state-owned), then Iran will receive similar nuclear weapons.
      The US needs a war with Iran, but Jews will fight for their interests.
      1. Yodzakura
        Yodzakura 1 May 2018 22: 27
        0
        The mistake will come out, well, I think we can do without the United States for you who will fight not Belarus, nor Kazakhstan
      2. sergeyezhov
        sergeyezhov 2 May 2018 09: 36
        0
        Quote: flicker
        if the USA transfers nuclear weapons to Israel (Israel doesn’t have its own, only the state’s)

        Well, finally the only true comment claiming that Israel does not have its own nuclear weapons.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 2 May 2018 09: 59
          0
          Amazing statement
  12. demiurg
    demiurg 1 May 2018 13: 21
    +1
    While Iran is helping to clear the territory of Syria from all stripes of militants, it is not up to the war with Israel. And Iran has nothing to fight now, its air forces froze in the 90s. But Iran has oil and a buyer, China. And who knows, maybe in 10 years the situation will change. And the sediment will remain.
    I do not consider not Israel. not Iran right. Both have a stigma in the gun. Just the Israelis cry more on Russian-language resources, portraying the victims. Iran will fight with Israel, this is its problem, and possibly Israel. At the same time, he will buy our weapons, I will be glad of this.
    Israel, by the way, is very impudent for a country whose agriculture depends on 70-80 percent on one channel.
    1. omit
      omit 1 May 2018 14: 06
      +4
      demiurg
      "Israel, by the way, is very impudent for a country whose agriculture depends on 70-80 percent on one channel."
      We don’t have any channel - we have drip irrigation, we feed you as well. You lagged behind life, as they used to say. tongue
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 1 May 2018 14: 23
        +4
        Quote: omit

        We don’t have any channel - we have drip irrigation, we feed you as well. You lagged behind life, as they used to say. tongue

        Nude nude. I wonder why then Israel bombed the Syrians when they tried to turn the water from the Golan towards themselves. This is by the way the answer about the originally Jewish Golan Heights.
        By the way, I don’t understand why terrorists of all stripes were not puzzled by this issue. Damage to the canal will cover all of your hydroponics with a copper basin for at least three or four months, and this will be more terrible than firing at the box office.
        And what feed, well done. The climate and honestly squeezed water from a neighbor allows.
        1. sergeyezhov
          sergeyezhov 2 May 2018 09: 38
          +1
          Quote: demiurg
          why then did Israel bomb the Syrians when they tried to turn water from the Golan to themselves

          Since then, a little time has passed, about 50 years. Do you know that technology has changed a bit during this time?
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 2 May 2018 16: 08
            +1
            Quote: sergeyezhov
            Since then, a little time has passed, about 50 years. Do you know that technology has changed a bit during this time?

            not in the know comrade. he is probably one of those who do not mind urinating in someone else's channel.
          2. demiurg
            demiurg 2 May 2018 16: 41
            +1
            Yes? I think Syria will forgive Israel a lot if the water from the Golan is turned in the opposite direction. You do not need it, you have hydroponics, and Syria would be very welcome.
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 2 May 2018 20: 57
              0
              Quote: demiurg
              I think Syria will forgive Israel a lot if the water from the Golan is turned in the opposite direction.

            2. sergeyezhov
              sergeyezhov 3 May 2018 09: 48
              +1
              Quote: demiurg
              You do not need it, you have hydroponics, and Syria would be very welcome.

              Assad does not need this. In 2000m he could make peace and would receive both water and technology and military protection from ISIS. But he chose confrontation. Now let him eat the results of his "activity."
  13. dzen123
    dzen123 1 May 2018 13: 33
    +6
    The article, of course, is controversial - a mixture of the obvious with the incredible. But the comments ... This is a "holly var" on the topic of who whom and where to "stick" Russia. Funny as much.
    Why does no one even think that a direct conflict between RI and Israel / USA has a chance for Russia? Even if the conflict is nuclear. What difference does it make for us Russians to how many Persians, Israelis or Americans will burn at their bases in nuclear fire? Did the Americans really care how many Russians drank, chopped, cracked with “Bush’s legs”, and generally fell into poverty during the “democratic” reforms of the 90s after the collapse of the USSR? What kind of "digital" do sociologists draw? About 3 million people as a result of Transnistria, Karabakh, Chechnya, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and - most importantly - the reforms of everyone beloved Gaidar. First, answer yourself to this question EVERYTHING WHO WANTS THAT RUSSIA SITS INTO THE CONFLICT OF IRAN AND ISRAEL - DO RUSSIA NEED ANOTHER WAR AT THE CURRENT But the war will obviously be, whether Russia wants it or not, it does not decide.
    Why is there a chance for Russia between Iran and Israel? What is stopping Russia in the context of the possibility of Israel’s direct aggression to turn on the military and sell Iran enough weapons, in turn, sufficient to eliminate the US carrier group in the Persian Gulf? Or US bases in the same bay? Or the elimination of US satellites in low Earth orbit? What prevents Russia from using the precedent of Israel’s nuclear strikes against the Republic of Ingushetia to exclude Jews from the UN and, in general, to transfer the UN to at least Europe. One must take the opportunity to weaken the enemy by any means possible. Just as the enemy did with the Russians ALWAYS.
    Do not run ahead of the engine in the hope that enough heels stop this engine. Let them knead if they wish. Even if Iran loses, it will cause sensitive damage to both Israel and the United States. And at the same time, there will be less oil supplier. At least for a while. The same chance to take its market share.
    And the last one. There were funny comments about Israel: "... half of ours are there ..." What are these "yours" ?! Friends, if you think that “yours” still live in Israel - a suitcase, a train station, Tel Aviv. Such friends - for the "trunk" and to the museum, as Satanovsky used to say. Russians live in Russia - you have to think about it.
  14. VOVAN69
    VOVAN69 1 May 2018 14: 07
    0
    It is good to remember and not to forget ...
    https://www.facebook.com/liza.yudin/posts/1020440
    1560236737
  15. ivan ivanov_3
    ivan ivanov_3 1 May 2018 14: 23
    0
    The fighting will be conducted in Syria, so that Russia will not be able to sit out.
  16. K-50
    K-50 1 May 2018 14: 37
    0
    Equally ephemeral are his hopes, if any, on the deterrent influence of Moscow in relation to its Iranian ally.

    Indeed, why should Russia restrain Iran if the Jews, time after time, put them in a "cage stick and wake them up"? belay
    1. demiurg
      demiurg 1 May 2018 14: 42
      +2
      And why should Russia get into their purely religious dispute? It is necessary to clearly separate flies from cutlets. Iran is our temporary ally. Israel specifically Russia did nothing particularly dirty. Well, why should we help someone else in a fight?
  17. Tomato
    Tomato 1 May 2018 14: 58
    +5
    I haven’t laughed like that for a long time laughing seriously, friends, such tenderness ......
    Iran never hid its goal - the destruction of Israel.
    "The supreme leader of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is convinced that Iran must destroy Israel. Moreover, the spiritual leader of the Iranians speaks not only of eliminating the" Zionist entity, "but of killing its Jewish population." http://www.forumdaily.com/ayatolla-hamenei-unicht
    ozhit-izrail-za-9-minut /
    But it turns out, "For air strikes on Iranian military bases in Syria are not at all the tool that can guarantee Israel military security."
    And you can ask what tools they need to use? Simply put - WHAT TO DO?
    And do not write China in a "block of anti-demonists." Halva, halva .....
    China is perfectly integrated into the Western economy, and cannot exist without it. It’s not even jerking for the sake of Iran to break these ties. China is extremely prudent and rational.
  18. komis55
    komis55 1 May 2018 17: 52
    0
    Stop selling raw materials. And do not let others do it. And better as in wartime (the war is still, albeit a hybrid)
  19. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 1 May 2018 18: 17
    0
    If Israel uses nuclear weapons. then it will be erased from the world map in 45 minutes. In Syria, an OT rocket factory is being built at an accelerated pace, and soon the Jews will be seriously pressed. High-precision missiles will fly for each of their air raids .. am
  20. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 1 May 2018 18: 20
    0
    Quote: omit
    demiurg
    "Israel, by the way, is very impudent for a country whose agriculture depends on 70-80 percent on one channel."
    We don’t have any channel - we have drip irrigation, we feed you as well. You lagged behind life, as they used to say. tongue

    What feed? Radish? Storyteller.... laughing tongue wassat
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 2 May 2018 20: 48
      0
      Quote: Dzafdet
      What feed? Radish? Storyteller....


      The main goods that Israel supplied to Russia in 2014 (see table 2, fig. 4):

      • Vegetables and some edible root crops and tubers (24,3%)
      • Pharmaceutical products (16,8%)
      • Optical, photographic, cinematographic, measuring, control, precision, medical, or surgical instruments and apparatus; parts and accessories thereof (7,3%)
      • Edible fruits and nuts; peel of citrus fruit or melon peel (7,3%)
      • Electric machines and equipment, their parts; sound recording and reproducing equipment, equipment for recording and reproducing television images and sound, their parts and accessories (6,5%)
      • Nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices; parts thereof (5,9%)
      • Plastics and articles thereof (4,3%)
      • Essential oils and resinoids; perfumes, cosmetics or toilet preparations (3,4%)
      • Tools, implements, cutlery, spoons and forks made of base metal; parts thereof of base metal (3,0%)
      • Products of processing vegetables, fruits, nuts or other parts of plants (2,9%)
      • Cotton wool, felt or felt and non-woven materials; special yarn; twine, cordage, ropes and cables and articles thereof (2,3%)

      Well, we also supply radishes, of course


      http://www.rusexporter.ru/research/country/detail
      / 2488 /
  21. jhltyjyjctw
    jhltyjyjctw 1 May 2018 19: 16
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    What does Ferdinand have to do with it? The war began because Germany wanted a redivision of the world.


    The redistribution of the world wanted Britain. She organized her beginning. Germany was cannon fodder. Like Russia. It is strange that you are not aware of this. Do not learn history from Soros textbooks.
  22. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 1 May 2018 20: 45
    0
    The situation is almost irreversible. Is it really not clear that in 1904, in 1914 and in 1941, the situation was much calmer. Even during the Cuban Crisis, this was not the case. Most likely have to fight.
  23. aloleggry
    aloleggry 1 May 2018 22: 36
    +1
    Quote: Totah155
    Quote: Mifletset
    We have already heard this song. And repeatedly. In the most different execution. Oh, they would have been given if they had caught up with us. "Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness?"

    They living in Russia cannot understand that in the east they understand only power.
    Here is a different mentality.
    In BV there are too many who want to "grab us".
    We really, every day should fight for our existence.
    I repeat once again: the Russians do not understand us

    Don't be so tough. Russia has not lived in the ring of enemies for the first millennium. Israel is not even a hundred years old. As for the eastern mentality, then again it is not true. Many eastern people live right on the territory of Russia. They communicate with them, they are friends with families. Yes, there are situations when only a direct blow stops. But if you wave a club before someone’s nose, then you’ll get it in the forehead. Have you kindly not tried to talk with your neighbors? Bargaining (this is more valuable in the eastern mentality than military valor). You look, they’ll invite you, and they’ll put you at the table. You need to respect people, not just your loved ones
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 3 May 2018 05: 28
      0
      Quote: aloleggry
      Russia has not lived in the ring of enemies for the first millennium.

      what
      Quote: aloleggry
      Have you kindly not tried to talk with your neighbors?

      on BV no one saw the cartoon about the cat Leopold.
      Quote: aloleggry
      Bargaining (this is more valuable in the eastern mentality than military valor).

      You are very categorical about things that you are clearly new to.
      the tale of Ali Baba and the forty thieves is not a basis for understanding the eastern mentality.
  24. aloleggry
    aloleggry 1 May 2018 22: 55
    +1
    Quote: Totah155
    Quote: Schima68
    Be human, and no one will touch or harass you.

    And by what criteria do you rate people?
    Who are the people for you ( laughing ) and who is not?

    People are all representatives of the biological species Homo sapiens. Outside of their race, religion, place of residence. In the category of "inhuman" pass on their specific affairs. Each individually. And even then, you should think about whether you offended their race, religion, customs. Well, this is in the presence of time for reflection.
  25. wvg
    wvg 1 May 2018 23: 58
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    No one will stand up for Iran, as well as for Iraq in 2003. And precisely because of the unwillingness of TMV due to a bad, but not deadly bad event.

    Iraq was a touchstone. And now they grabbed onto Syria with their teeth, realizing that after its fall the turn will come for other countries of Central and Central Asia with the opening of access from Russia and China. If you leave Iran to eat the Euro-American coalition, then the heirs of ISIS will take into account the mistakes of their predecessors ...
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 3 May 2018 14: 30
      0
      Quote: wvg
      And now they grabbed onto Syria with their teeth, realizing that after its fall the turn will come for other countries of Central and Central Asia with the opening of access from Russia and China.

      And why, what is this gesheft? From this very central and central Asia, everything is decided by money there.