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Correspondence battle of Israel and Russia. TAR-21 does not want to let AK-103 into the Indian market

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On the eve, the Indian media, citing the country's main defense department, reported that the agency “is approaching the stage of concluding a contract” with the Russian concern Kalashnikov. A probable contract involves the acquisition by India of Russia AK-103 according to the formula 150 + 50 + 600 (thousands). The 150 of thousands of barrels is for ground forces, another 50 of thousands for the Air Force and Navy, and the 600 of thousands is planned to be assembled under the license of the Kalashnikov Concern at two Indian factories. This "Military Review" reported in the material Mega Contract. The whole truth about replacing Insas automatic rifles with AK-103 in the Indian Armed Forces.


Meanwhile, in India, some experts are wondering how to deal with an Israeli-developed Tavor assault rifle factory built in the country. The plant was built in the cooperation of Indian Punj Lloyd and Israeli Israel Weapons Industries (IWI). It was originally planned to produce a whole line of weapons, consisting of X95, Tavor and Galil, as well as Negev machine guns. The work of the plant was associated with the campaign to replace the Indian automatic rifle Insas. Production has already started.

Correspondence battle of Israel and Russia. TAR-21 does not want to let AK-103 into the Indian market


Now they are ready to make a bet on the Indian Defense Ministry on the Russian AK-103? And this calls into question the expediency of putting into operation the full capacity of the mentioned Indian-Israeli enterprise.

Apurva Chandra, Director General of the Procurement Department of the Ministry of Defense of India, notes that it is important for India not only to get the opportunity to independently produce modern weaponbut also create competition in the domestic market, leading to the development of technology.

It can be assumed that Indian specialists visited the production facilities in Izhevsk in order to agree on the possibility of acquiring an AK-103 production license in their own country, as they had previously received a similar license to manufacture modern small arms from Israel. In the end, the Indian authorities, guided by the “Made in India” program, can attract specialists so that, based on the technologies received from Israel and in the long term, the technologies received from the Russian Federation, try again to create some kind of hybrid that India initially sees as “better” than what is produced abroad. What comes out of it in the Indian case ... can show experience with the same Insas.
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  1. Looking Petrovich
    Looking Petrovich April 29 2018 21: 42
    +21
    Our mugs Indians divorced at a time. Well, if the Israelis are still thrown, I take off my hat.
    1. Hire
      Hire April 29 2018 21: 43
      +5
      Hedgehogs will be crossbreeding. smile
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 29 2018 22: 02
        +6
        What is there to cross? All the machines that are ours, that the Israelis are from Kalash. But apparently Israeli more expensive. So there was a squiggle. laughing
        Well, Israeli probably 5,56, and our 7,62.
        1. venik
          venik April 29 2018 22: 24
          +15
          Quote: Alex777
          What is there to cross? All assault rifles that ours, that Israeli - from Kalash

          =========
          This is not entirely true. More precisely, it is ABSOLUTELY .... Of the Israeli assault rifles, only Galil is a modification of Kalash, but Tavor is completely their own development !!
        2. hrych
          hrych April 30 2018 08: 39
          +6
          Quote: Alex777
          Well, Israeli probably 5,56, and our 7,62.

          Namely, the Indian military decided to replace the caliber. Those. in recent conflicts in the highlands, 5,56 turned out to be weak. Why choose AK-103, which is 7,62 * 39. Those. For 70 years, everyone has been wise, look at NATO standards and come to the conclusion that there is no model better than the AK-47. And the AK-103, this is its modification. This caliber, this machine, is based on the latest experience of WWII. The transition to the AK-74 was with a 5,45 caliber, because the USSR changed the concept, where the basis was made on nuclear weapons, including tactical ones, and also the development of aviation and tanks and artillery, including MLRS, provided for minimizing the need to engage in small arms combat . And the AK-74 was lighter, cheaper, and most importantly, has better accuracy in automatic firing. However, the experience of Afghanistan and Chechnya showed (again mountains) that automatic fire is less required there, but the penetration ability and stability of the bullet are 7,62, as well as accuracy, but with single shooting. And 7,62 experienced a renaissance in the form of AK-103 and AK-104. The latter allowed to shorten the barrel, which is convenient in street battles, and a decent cartridge, also retained penetration and stability. The AK-104 in combat conditions is being tested in Syria and flashes there periodically. Well, the Indians came to the same denominator, only the path chosen was 40 years longerlaughing , also the military experience of the Kargil war gave a kick to India flopping along this path, and the truth almost another 20 years passed before they finally decided.
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 30 2018 10: 03
          +3
          "But apparently Israeli is more expensive" ///

          That's right. Israeli Tabor is expensive to manufacture.
          But it has unique accuracy, since the Picatinny rail
          made in one piece with the barrel - perfect alignment.
          We have a cheap Galil (not in service with the IDF)
          made according to the AK scheme. It was recently purchased by the Vietnamese for their army.
          (We make weapons for any caliber: both Russian and NATO)
          1. ultra
            ultra April 30 2018 11: 46
            +8
            Quote: voyaka uh
            We make weapons for any caliber: both Russian and NAT

            Yes, you will not believe, with us too !!! laughing
          2. free_flier
            free_flier 1 May 2018 18: 56
            0
            You will be surprised, but the perfect alignment of the sight and the barrel is achieved by aiming the weapon.
            On your coaxial machine it’s enough to make a few clicks with the scope adjustment knobs, and you won’t get into the cow from a hundred meters.
          3. PROXOR
            PROXOR 3 May 2018 11: 00
            0
            Tavor has a huge flaw. The Bull Pop system is inconvenient when recharging. Try Tabor reload without taking the barrel away from the direction of fire. As shown in the video.
            And the picatinny rail and the rest of the belongings. Well this is for specialists. They can buy AK12. An ordinary fighter will have enough of a standard sector sight.
        4. Pimply
          Pimply 1 May 2018 10: 47
          0
          Quote: Alex777
          What is there to cross? All the machines that are ours, that the Israelis are from Kalash. But apparently Israeli more expensive. So there was a squiggle. laughing
          Well, Israeli probably 5,56, and our 7,62.

          At Tavor, using a barrel changer, a magazine receiver and a bolt group, you can change the caliber from 5,56 to 7,62 in a few minutes
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 1 May 2018 13: 05
            0
            But this versatility does not affect reliability?
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 29 2018 23: 38
        +3
        Quote: Hire
        Hedgehogs will be crossbreeding. smile


        There is corruption at the state level. They will not cross anything. Apparently this is a struggle between money and power. Influence agents pushed the Israeli plant, the authorities decided to balance it with Kalash. That’s the whole secret.
    2. figwam
      figwam April 29 2018 21: 48
      +6
      The Kalashnikov case lives and wins. The Saudis will produce under license AK-103 and cartridges, and now India.
    3. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 April 29 2018 21: 52
      +34
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      Our mugs Indians divorced at a time. Well, if the Israelis are still thrown, I take off my hat.

      Yes, they will not divorce anyone! No. Dancing with the songs again! The Israeli rifleman is very decent !!! good .... but .... extremely FAVORABLE to service. crying That is - the weapon is not for the Hindus from the word at all! laughing there is only the goddess Kali, hands grow from the right place yes all six wink laughing wassat
      1. Sibiriya
        Sibiriya April 30 2018 01: 56
        +7
        Israel has no decent shooter. The weapon is characterized by reliability, reliability and attention, ease of maintenance. Make you clean the barrel after each shooting, and it is necessary, and after the third fourth time you will run on combat with Kalashnikov
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 April 30 2018 09: 49
          +2
          Quote: Siberia
          Israel has no decent shooter. The weapon is characterized by reliability, reliability and attention, ease of maintenance. Make you clean the barrel after each shooting, and it is necessary, and after the third fourth time you will run on combat with Kalashnikov

          these are just different concepts of using ground troops, we have infantry with armored personnel carriers and if support for artillery and aviation is called up, they (NATO) first have reconnaissance, then an air / artillery strike on the target and only then infantry on the armored personnel carrier ...
          as one Pentagon official used to say: "if a fighter during an operation fired more than 60 rounds of ammunition (3 magazines), this is a failure of intelligence and planning of the operation" ...
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 1 May 2018 10: 43
          0
          Quote: Siberia
          Israel has no decent shooter. The weapon is characterized by reliability, reliability and attention, ease of maintenance. Make you clean the barrel after each shooting, and it is necessary, and after the third fourth time you will run on combat with Kalashnikov

          Gd, would you know what kind of nonsense are you now
    4. Muvka
      Muvka April 29 2018 22: 01
      +4
      I doubt that some super duper technological and secret solutions are used in AK ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 29 2018 22: 15
        +8
        Our weapons are ahead of everyone in the concept - There’s nothing to break, you don’t want to break like that - at the same time, they have good combat and operational qualities! In battle, such qualities outweigh everything else, and in the case of India it reduces the impact of their curvature!
        1. venik
          venik April 29 2018 22: 27
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          and in the case of India it reduces the impact of their curvature!

          ========
          But they have wonderful children! And all that they do with HANDS is no good !!!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 29 2018 22: 56
            +2
            Ha, so they have great Bollywood!
            My half still "turns on" nostalgia, sometimes, looking at all sorts of different Disco Dancer .... I was enough of the Tramp, once and for all, although the film is really good!
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 29 2018 23: 07
        +4
        In vain, you doubt that AK technology is not in a fashionable body kit or a calimator sight, but in the material of which the barrel is primarily made! AK barrel survivability - 25 shots, with proper care you can multiply by two, without caring for weapons, divide by two. And his copies, that the Chinese, that any others have a barrel survivability of only 000 shots ... There you have the difference ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 29 2018 23: 37
          +10
          I wouldn’t change my AK for anything ..... some tropical climbed into the trunk, flew out with a whistle, the spray turned out to be caustic, wiped it off and said "on the folk". Everyone around understood how I fell in love with the local fauna ....
          Reliability, functionality and all that jazz is the Russian weapon!
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 29 2018 23: 39
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            some tropical ___ climbed into the trunk, flew out with a whistle, though the spray turned out to be caustic

            Damn, a local robot guardian of morality ... bullied.
            Now I can’t sleep - I’m thinking, who’s climbed into the trunk? request
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 30 2018 00: 00
              +4
              Come on, a worm, like a centipede with only a long finger ... like in cartoons about Pumbaa.
              For scruff of the neck or even much better not to let this .... bites and itches!
              Read the Yankees from Vietnam to read, more than once mentioned, with different consequences for weapons.
              I would not have believed the trunk, the piece of iron, but they said it happens.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 30 2018 04: 36
                +1
                Quote: rocket757
                a worm, like a centipede with only a long finger

                Ufff ... thanks, now I see.
                Quote: rocket757
                bites and itches

                Presented visually. Tho-rye laughing
        2. Korax71
          Korax71 April 30 2018 00: 37
          +1
          Who told you these beautiful stories ???? especially regarding the survivability of the barrel ??? AK there are two undeniable technologies. 1. excess mass of moving parts. 2. minimum contact spots of the moving parts. And really, what kind of sight and body kit on it cannot achieve coordinated changes. And all manipulations with plus two minus two are more like a joke, like a man who swam over the lake lol
          1. SOF
            SOF April 30 2018 01: 45
            +10
            Quote: Korax71
            There are two undeniable technologies. 1. Excess mass of moving parts. 2. minimum contact spots of moving parts. and here really,

            ... and here it really becomes strange - why are AKs all over the world, from Africa to the states, and
            you will not find your Israeli "works" during the day with fire ...
            1. Korax71
              Korax71 April 30 2018 09: 14
              -1
              If Israel and mattresses handed out their works for free, you look and there would be no less.
          2. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat April 30 2018 05: 23
            +5
            Quote: Korax71
            Who told you these beautiful stories ???? especially regarding the survivability of the barrel ??? AK there are two undeniable technologies. 1. excess mass of moving parts. 2. minimum contact spots of the moving parts. And really, what kind of sight and body kit on it cannot achieve coordinated changes. And all manipulations with plus two minus two are more like a joke, like a man who swam over the lake


            This is where you managed to find in the AK the excess mass of moving parts? Just this "technological solution" was applied by the Jew Uzi Gal, cubing on the knee of his Uzi software.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh April 30 2018 22: 32
              +1
              That's right. Uzi also has a heavy shutter. This increases reliability, but causes shaking when shooting, which reduces the accuracy of the weapon.
              1. Black Colonel
                Black Colonel 1 May 2018 13: 13
                0
                Ultrasound kagba is not a sniper device, but in PP with a free shutter, God himself ordered that the shutter be made heavy.
          3. avt
            avt April 30 2018 07: 40
            +4
            Quote: Korax71
            .and here really, what sight and body kit did not get on it

            If you don’t know how to shoot and your hands just shake in the field, then even if you put a feather in your ass, it won’t help.
            1. Korax71
              Korax71 April 30 2018 09: 03
              -1
              Uncle, have you heard about the technical accuracy of weapons? Here at least be able, at least do not know how to shoot.
              1. avt
                avt April 30 2018 09: 09
                +5
                Quote: Korax71
                Uncle, have you heard about the technical accuracy of weapons?

                Tell us about the imaginary trajectory. Well, I'll tidy up the body kit, about all his body kits and other accuracy
                A bullet flying out of a barrel channel flies along an imaginary line called a trajectory. Fighters! All clear? - Comrade ensign! It is not clear what "imaginary" is. - Fighter Ivanov, did you see the mosquito pissing? - Not. - This is even more imaginary.
                Learn to shoot, then nonsense will not come to mind and will not go online through the keyboard.
                1. Korax71
                  Korax71 April 30 2018 22: 19
                  +1
                  Technical accuracy is determined by a number of parameters: there is the quality of manufacture and chrome-plating of the bore, its acceptable taper, the rigidity of the receiver, the locking mechanism of the bore, up to the uniformity of the incandescent capsule. Now explain to me, super expert shooter, what farting steam you use in the shooting technique can you compensate for the bending of the receiver when firing and the lack of a sane, high-quality facet cut of the barrel ???? because on a rare instance it provides a uniform bullet exit from the rifling! what place in the manufacturing and shooting technique are you going to compensate for the difference of plus or minus 80 capes of initial speed bullets from one cartridge to another? I understand that you only shot from a slingshot? And you will tell grandchildren about imaginary trajectories. hi the ability to make an accurate shot is made up of a complex of weapons-shooter. It's not stupid for you to press the trigger
                  1. Black Colonel
                    Black Colonel 1 May 2018 13: 18
                    +1
                    "right up to the uniformity of the glow capsule."
                    And what, now the capsules are initiated by Glow, and not Glow, i.e. heating? belay
      3. dima9990
        dima9990 April 30 2018 06: 54
        0
        In addition to the barrel, not any that would not be known.
    5. Tomato
      Tomato April 29 2018 23: 12
      +1
      Throw the Israelis ... ?????? You are a joker.
    6. papas-57
      papas-57 April 29 2018 23: 17
      +1
      Who has a grandmother, he rules the ball.
    7. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 29 2018 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      Our mugs Indians divorced at a time. Well, if the Israelis are still thrown, I take off my hat.


      Let them bred yours))) Our hardly)
    8. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 30 2018 01: 09
      +2
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      Our mugs Indians divorced at a time. Well, if the Israelis are still thrown, I take off my hat.

      And what ? With the Israelis "pleasant" in the same garden to be? wink
    9. 72jora72
      72jora72 April 30 2018 02: 57
      +2
      Our mugs Indians divorced at a time.
      Your, yes, they will for sure.
    10. igorka357
      igorka357 April 30 2018 05: 02
      0
      Before whom? Before the mugs, who for more than 30 years have been unable to create their own automatic rifle ... laughing
    11. svp67
      svp67 April 30 2018 06: 41
      0
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      Our mugs Indians divorced at a time.

      A good, just a great divorce ... to pay a HUGE Pile of money and eventually "dilute". I would be very happy if in more countries we were so "bred" ...
    12. Maz
      Maz April 30 2018 06: 46
      +2
      Ak103 is cheaper than the brand, with the same characteristics. He will go to the army. Hindus know how to count money. A brand will be sold to neighbors at a reduced price, because of lower production costs than in Israel
    13. Kent0001
      Kent0001 April 30 2018 17: 13
      0
      As a result, screwed up with the product ..... as always. Their nedotank is the most obvious example. I propose to strengthen military cooperation with Pakistan so that the Hindus do not bend their fingers.
  2. Berkut24
    Berkut24 April 29 2018 21: 50
    +8
    ... they can attract specialists, so that on the basis of technologies received from Israel and in the long term received from the Russian Federation, they will again try to create a hybrid that India initially sees as “better” than what is produced abroad.

    You have to be great masters to make regular junk from two sweets. Having gathered all the world experience in tank building, the Indians created Arjun, whose only advantage was the more convenient placement of beads and ribbons in parades.
    1. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 30 2018 00: 33
      0
      Hindus can still, they have the same mustache succeed))))
  3. AleksSandro
    AleksSandro April 29 2018 21: 57
    +2
    Well, if the project with AK fails, I think nothing bad will happen: firstly, there are many other buyers of these products, and secondly, these are not the most high-tech products. It is much worse that with our homeland all sorts of "mahabharat" and "atkarved" covers the failure of the contract for the production of a new aircraft based on the Su-57. Here we should already find out the real reason for such a reversal: either the project is really not very successful, or is it still a consequence of the political pressure of our "sworn partners"?
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 April 29 2018 22: 06
      +5
      Intuition suggests that this particular project will not fail. Everyone needs automatic machines always, and AK-103 is a worthy option. hi
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 April 30 2018 05: 04
      0
      The hardened Hindus became, that’s the whole background. If they wanted to transfer secret technologies to their territory, they were broken off .. and they’re bargaining.
    3. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 1 May 2018 13: 22
      0
      "covered by the failure of the contract for the production of a new aircraft based on the Su-57."
      Not a fact.
      There will still be bargaining.
      1. free_flier
        free_flier 1 May 2018 19: 33
        0
        the Indians are still those traders, but they are well aware that they do not need F-35 type air junk.
  4. Egorovich
    Egorovich April 29 2018 22: 07
    +1
    It is not for the Hindus to invent the invented, and this is unique. This is something from the category: "Born to crawl, can not fly!". Let them use what they acquire.
  5. Georgievic
    Georgievic April 29 2018 22: 08
    +1
    Well, Indians, natural gypsies! The tricks are the same. And ours and yours and we will sing and slash. Even with shit, they strive to lick foam!
    1. venik
      venik April 29 2018 22: 28
      +5
      Quote: Georgievic
      Well, Indians, natural gypsies! The tricks are the same.

      ======
      Duc, they’re kind of like "relatives" ... At least, the scientists say so ..... Why wonder?
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII April 29 2018 22: 35
        +2
        Quote: venik
        Duc, they’re kind of like "relatives" ... At least, scientists say so .....

        Photo fact ... yes
        Jew 28 years old
        Types of Central Asia, 1876
  6. XXXIII
    XXXIII April 29 2018 22: 09
    +3
    Now they are ready to make a bet on the Indian Defense Ministry on the Russian AK-103? And this calls into question the expediency of putting into operation the full capacity of the mentioned Indian-Israeli enterprise.
    Relieve themselves of the monopoly of one manufacturer, India is not stupider than others .... hi
    The French are squeezing the market, it is necessary for the Russian Federation and Israel to be friends against the French, we will divide 25% into two and it will be kosher for everyone ... laughing

    Topic; How do we capture the largest arms market in the world
  7. shed
    shed April 29 2018 22: 11
    0
    It’s a very big mistake to sell small arms, grenade launchers themselves will be worse, and so all macaques with Kalash flee. Another thing is tanks, planes, submarines. There is a bitter experience when they transferred technology and then they themselves suffered, those who sell do not die on the battlefield. Let them sell Israelis, pin.sy there the price is many times higher, you can’t get around, especially technology
  8. Boyar
    Boyar April 29 2018 23: 15
    +2
    Israeli weapons are very good, they managed to shoot and compare. And our quality is not so hot, one “Knight” of what is worth, the shit is complete, after a short queue immediately poking.
    1. Morosha
      Morosha April 29 2018 23: 43
      +4
      Especially for “you”, upstream, the “expert” explained that our “Kalashnikovs” are the best in the world and licensed production does not reach our quality. That is, we sold the scam, not a license. In the states, on the contrary, the Bulgarian and Chinese "Kalashnikovs" praise, and our production is bad (watch Vlad Borisych on YouTube). Whom to believe is not clear. laughing
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 29 2018 23: 45
        +5
        Quote: Morosha
        Who to believe is not clear

        Sererega with five comments. Stopudovo yes
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 29 2018 23: 23
    +6
    There is no contradiction. Special forces and elite units are equipped and will be equipped with a tavor.
    And AK-103 - everyone else. Like a mass weapon. Kalashnikov is ideal for poorly trained soldiers, when you need to shoot a lot, but not necessarily - for sure.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 29 2018 23: 35
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Special forces and elite units are equipped and will be equipped with a tavor.
      And the AK-103 - all the rest. Like a mass weapon

      I heard right, are you talking about your IDF now?
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Kalashnikov is ideal for poorly trained soldiers

      Are poorly trained soldiers serving in your army? belay
      It seems that you didn’t have any problems with the Russian ... is it really so? recourse
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 30 2018 09: 55
        +3
        In our army, AK is not in service. Was in the 60s.
        Then nothing better existed. Then came the "Vietnamese" M-16. They were so-so, and they developed Galil (with a Finnish license, and they had a Russian AK license). But Galil did not work very well, and replaced it again with M-16, which they had corrected by then.
        Then they developed the Tavor and simultaneously switched to the M-4.
        Today, the entire Tavor infantry, except for the landing brigade, in which the M-4
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 30 2018 09: 57
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Today, the entire Tavor infantry, except for the landing brigade, in which the M-4

          Thanks, I get it already. But by then the comment was already “frozen” and it was too late to delete it request
        2. yehat
          yehat April 30 2018 18: 42
          0
          quickly replaced! I thought another half was running with Kalash, Uzi and Galilov.
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII April 30 2018 00: 07
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      There is no contradiction. Special forces and elite units are equipped and will be equipped with a tavor.

      I also thought so, automatic machines are different in their properties and purpose, some are good for the army, others are good for law enforcement agencies, and also removes full dependence on one manufacturer. True Indians can confuse everything, I hope they read the instructions before using machines .... lol hi
  10. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 29 2018 23: 24
    +1
    Hindus are not mentally ripe for our licenses. Let the dull guano continue to rivet
  11. Santor
    Santor April 29 2018 23: 46
    +2
    Quote: AleksSandro
    Well, if the project with AK fails, I think nothing bad will happen: firstly, there are many other buyers of these products, and secondly, these are not the most high-tech products. It is much worse that with our homeland all sorts of "mahabharat" and "atkarved" covers the failure of the contract for the production of a new aircraft based on the Su-57. Here we should already find out the real reason for such a reversal: either the project is really not very successful, or is it still a consequence of the political pressure of our "sworn partners"?

    He covers himself in articles of various kinds of onalitikof and politoluhov from the sofa, which are replete with the Internet. And also in the articles of the so-called liberal press.
    Lenta.ru was the first to "carry the masses" the news that India withdrew from the joint project with Russia FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft), involving the creation of the first Indian fifth-generation fighter based on Su-57. The Indian side, including the national security adviser Ajit Doval and Minister of Defense Sanjayt Mitru, has notified the Russian side of this, Janes reports.

    References to Janes naturally no. People shawal and paneslaet water through all the Internet pipes. Significant moans rang out on the Rain, they were echoed by iksperdy from Echo of Moscow, and the numerous fleaheurs carried to the masses the idea that India was almost ... almost buying the first batch of F-35 from the USA ....

    But already on February 27, the Commander-in-Chief of the Indian Air Force Marshal of Aviation B.S.Dhanoa made an official statement that there was no talk about the F-35. India simply decided at the government level IT agreement. Since it provides for the supply of aircraft with an engine of the first generation.

    The Minister of Defense of India stated that ...India can join the project later or buy a fully developed fighter immediately after it goes into service with the Russian Air Force.

    Translated into Russian, India is waiting for the end of testing the aircraft with a new second-generation engine and the results of its operation in the army.

    Who is strong in Aglitsky can get acquainted with the originals - https://sputniknews.com/military/2018042710639557
    13-india-not-interested-in-f35 /
  12. Santor
    Santor April 29 2018 23: 48
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    There is no contradiction. Special forces and elite units are equipped and will be equipped with a tavor.
    And AK-103 - everyone else. Like a mass weapon. Kalashnikov is ideal for poorly trained soldiers, when you need to shoot a lot, but not necessarily - for sure.

    In principle, I agree. AK is the weapon that, if not demanding, is suitable for line soldiers. In modern combat, the high accuracy of small arms is not relevant, but when conducting operations with special forces, especially in the rear of the enemy, that’s it.
    1. yehat
      yehat April 30 2018 18: 44
      +1
      accuracy of small arms has always been important.
      otherwise the G3 rifle would not be so popular.
  13. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu April 30 2018 00: 33
    +1
    But nothing that the Israeli also licensed by the Kalashnikov concern? These are modifications of ac. Automation there Kalashnikovskaya
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 1 May 2018 10: 45
      +1
      Only in the case of Galil
  14. RaptorF22
    RaptorF22 April 30 2018 01: 05
    0
    This is right competition. The development of our domestic arms market has something to learn from the Indians. hi
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  16. Shinbet
    Shinbet April 30 2018 01: 42
    +2
    Quote: aiden
    The fascist pseudo-statehood of Israel dealt another blow to Syria. Near Hama some warehouse destroyed.

    damn it, could not resist .. I do not want here either Russia or the Russian guys to troll. This is specific to you - let's start "writing @ us" measure ??
    Man, if Israel is a "fascist pseudo statehood," then what state bo do you have ??
    ..And what they fucked was done right. Better to get ahead of the attack than to be late with the answer.
    1. Sash0
      Sash0 April 30 2018 05: 28
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      Not well, but not fascist? How many goyim are in the highest echelons of power? So now it is Israel that is closest to this formulation. By the way, I have a positive attitude towards Israel, but from time to time I get the feeling that it’s not a long time to play music, but a dance to dance.
    2. yehat
      yehat April 30 2018 18: 56
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      Quote: ShinBet
      if Israel is a "fascist pseudo-state",

      But what can be called what is happening in the Gaza Strip, attacks on Syria, seizure of territories for new settlements? Isn't that what is called fascism? Yes, there is a reason for this and the angels do not live there, but for some reason the most cruel methods are chosen.
      Something I don’t see Israel’s attacks on Turkish or Iranian territory, through which there is also the smuggling of weapons, which Israel leads as a motive for the attacks.
      I’m not talking about the vile incidents on the border, when Israel responded to the clearly provocative shelling with attacks on local government forces, killing indiscriminately.
      In my opinion, there is fascism. Unlike many, I do not consider it an absolute evil - at one time fascism was a salvation for millions of starving Germans, but we need to somehow control this,
      not to overdo it, but I see that there is chaos and I see that most Israelis put themselves clearly above their neighbors.
  17. Lerych
    Lerych April 30 2018 06: 26
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    They need to build a video player in the butt. Then they will definitely buy it. Although Kalash, even galil .... While lying, you can see Bollywood. Cry, dance ... Dimmy, ah ...
  18. Shinbet
    Shinbet April 30 2018 06: 36
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    Quote: Sash0
    Not well, but not fascist? How many goyim are in the highest echelons of power? So now it is Israel that is closest to this formulation. By the way, I have a positive attitude towards Israel, but from time to time I get the feeling that it’s not a long time to play music, but a dance to dance.

    Well, at your post, I would not say that you have a positive attitude towards Israel.
    With aiden, everything is clear. This is something from the category - "I have not read the book, but it is shit. Why shit? Everyone says so."
    Can you explain to me why Israel is a fascist state?
  19. Romanenko
    Romanenko April 30 2018 06: 49
    +1
    The Hindus decided to twirl the Beytsals to the Jews, and they couldn’t agree on the money somewhere. Well, ours, traditionally, are represented by bargaining chip in this dispute.
  20. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff April 30 2018 07: 05
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    Traded, knocking down prices. The Israelis will agree to a contract that is more advantageous for India ...
  21. Vard
    Vard April 30 2018 07: 28
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    The reason ... the insufficient reliability of Israeli weapons when serviced by unskilled soldiers ... In India, there are still a lot of illiterate soldiers ...
    1. Netzah Netzah_2
      Netzah Netzah_2 April 30 2018 15: 59
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      Here is a pancake in Djibouti, Chad and other Nigeria soldiers in comparison with the Indians are giants of thought by such logic. Are you aware that the Tavor in the world is already more common than all new AK models?
      1. Vard
        Vard April 30 2018 17: 21
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        To promise ... doesn’t mean to marry ... the fact that he is widespread only means that your marketing is not an obscene word, the same M-16 is probably even more widespread ... and for some reason you are only Israeli citizens here ... Probably offended by the whole world ...
  22. Franz Josef Land
    Franz Josef Land April 30 2018 08: 25
    +2
    I'm afraid the Israeli Tabor is too complicated for the Indians.
  23. Netzah Netzah_2
    Netzah Netzah_2 April 30 2018 08: 55
    +2
    To cross, cross out ... The Hindus simply twist their tails, so that in addition to the Tavor and Negev lines, an Israeli company would supply them with a Galil ACE production line
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 1 May 2018 10: 46
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      Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
      To cross, cross out ... The Hindus simply twist their tails, so that in addition to the Tavor and Negev lines, an Israeli company would supply them with a Galil ACE production line

      But it is quite likely
  24. air wolf
    air wolf April 30 2018 09: 27
    +2
    Wise people have long said that the potential of 7,62x39 is not revealed, I heard that we have invented new gunpowders, 15-20% more powerful than existing ones, and it turns out that the intermediate cartridge in the new equipment is already close to rifle! And if you use a bullet with an increased ballistic coefficient, here’s the new mass ammunition that everyone is aiming for, grendelles, etc. laughing
  25. Altona
    Altona April 30 2018 09: 57
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    And 7,62 experienced a renaissance in the form of AK-103 and AK-104.

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    I always liked my AKM in the army, and "103" is probably even better. A 7,62 bullet is good, reliable.
  26. Altona
    Altona April 30 2018 09: 59
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    Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
    To cross, cross out ... The Hindus simply twist their tails, so that in addition to the Tavor and Negev lines, an Israeli company would supply them with a Galil ACE production line

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    One gypsy word. Here before that we sold 500 kg of electrodes to Roma, this is 100 packs of 5 kg each, and the storekeeper threw 500 packs of them with some fright. What really fascinated him? hi laughing laughing
  27. APASUS
    APASUS April 30 2018 10: 44
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    Again, it looks like a typical Indian muddy, now infa will go about the fact that all the weapons presented are dung, but if you drop the price .............. we’ll think about it.
    Israeli weapons are certainly decent, but based on the mentality of the Indians it is logical to take ours.
  28. yehat
    yehat April 30 2018 18: 40
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    if the factory can make Galil, then Kalash can also.
  29. Sergey ippon
    Sergey ippon April 30 2018 22: 33
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    Well ..beginning.
    Indians are super partners!