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Army with propellers. Combat Carlsons APU

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The Ukrainian military industrial complex successfully masters the release of technology from the first half of the twentieth century. Kiev media reported on the next "Peremog" military-industrial complex of the country.

Army with propellers. Combat Carlsons APU


According to their reports, the Ukrainian airline Khors has developed for the Ukrainian Armed Forces "unique modern aircraft - gyrocopters."

It is reported that a team of Ukrainian developers investigated the capabilities of the gyrocopter and improved it for the needs of the APU. At the moment, a new development is undergoing state tests to obtain a certificate for the production of these devices.

“By the end of July, we will complete the departmental tests with a view to accepting weapons or admitting the said devices to operation. After that, these combat vehicles will be used in the airborne assault troops in order to deliver material and technical means, deliver personnel, evacuate the wounded and in the future, we assume it as a means of fire destruction, ”UNIAN quoted the words of the deputy commander of the airborne assault troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Yuri Galushkina.

He said that the training of personnel on gyrocopters has already been organized. Four military personnel, two of the assault landing forces and two of the ground forces, already have certificates of international standard, which allows them to be pilots.

Moreover, by the end of the year it is planned to form a gyrocopter air unit in the airborne assault troops.

This initiative received the personal approval of Petro Poroshenko, who was shown the actions of the gyrocopters to explore and evacuate the wounded during the battalion tactical exercises.

Gyrokopter, he is a gyroplan, he is an autogyro - an aircraft that looks like a helicopter with two propellers, one of them is a lifting one, rotates at the expense of oncoming air and raises the car upwards. The engine drives the rotor only at the start to reduce the take-off distance. The second screw is pushing.

As one of the main advantages is the safety of the machine, in case of engine failure, it will land due to a screw that rotates the air.

However, for a gyrocopter, low temperatures and the associated icing are extremely dangerous, which can stop the rotation of the rotor.

A gyrocopter may hover like a helicopter, but for its take-off and landing, a small mileage is still needed, albeit smaller than that of light aircraft.

The first autogyro was invented by Spanish engineer Juan de la Sierva in 1919, his autogyro C-4 made its first flight on 9 in January of 1923.

The main development of the theory of autogyros received in 1930-s. The first Russian gyrocopter called “Red Engineer” made its first flight on September 25 1929. It was designed by Kamov’s design office.

However, with the invention and the massive construction of helicopters, interest in the practical use of gyroplanes fell so much that the development of new models was discontinued.

A new surge in interest in gyrocopters is associated with the development of aviation sports and private aviation. Comparably cheaper and more economical than helicopters and airplanes, gyroplanes occupied their niche. The cost of coaching and flight practice is relatively low compared to schools that offer training in the management of airplanes or helicopters. The options for practical application are not too large: in agriculture, for spraying fields, monitoring what is happening on the roads, monitoring gas pipelines, fire-fighting patrolling of forests, etc. With all these tasks, helicopters or light aircraft are much more successful. The only advantage of gyroplanes is their lower cost, profitability and low cost of operation.

The average characteristics of modern gyrocopters, usually single, double: maximum speed - up to 200 km. at one o'clock; the maximum flight ceiling is up to 5000 meters, the range is about 350 km.

“The combat gyrocopter of the Ukrainian Armed Forces” - double, with tandem pilots in an open cockpit or, more correctly, a gondola.

It is noteworthy that the Ukrainian "experts" seriously claim that these autogyros are able to compensate for the losses of helicopters that the Ukrainian Armed Forces suffered in the summer of 2014 during the aggression against the people's republics in the Donbas.

Recall that in early October last, 2015 of the year, "Ukroboronprom" has already announced one such "novelty" - the Ukrainian helicopter "Leo-1".



However, this ultramodern model turned out to be nothing more than the American Bell-47 1947 helicopter of the year of development (one of the first production models). His finest hour was the war in Korea, where he was used to reconnoiter and evacuate the wounded on the external sling.

The Ukrainian “improvement” of this “novelty” was to replace the standard piston engine with a turbo-shaft engine from the Mi-2.

In the USSR, as you know, Ukraine was one of the most important scientific and technical centers of the Soviet military-industrial complex, where it was developed and produced a truly state-of-the-art military equipment, including aviation. Now, the “independent” military industry is developing the production of archaic and primitive from a technical point of view, systems that have long been recognized as unpromising.

For example, about a year ago, Ukrooboronoprom announced the creation of an “ultra-modern self-propelled mortar” based on ... a Dnepr motorcycle.



If this trend of scientific and technical degradation of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine continues, we can expect that squadrons of hang-gliders and companies of scooters (cyclists in the Russian Empire) will join the squadrons of the “Karlsonov” on autogyros.
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  1. Comrade
    Comrade April 30 2018 04: 55
    +9
    This initiative received personal approval of Petro Poroshenko

    Who would doubt it :-) Surely one of the enterprises of the President of Ukraine that will be busy with everything from repair and construction of warships to the release of mortars and ammunition will be engaged in the production of this “miracle weapon”. As they say, to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear.
    1. krops777
      krops777 April 30 2018 13: 42
      +4
      [quoteTak, about a year ago, Ukrooboronoprom announced the creation of an "ultra-modern self-propelled mortar" based on ... the Dnepr motorcycle.] [/ quote]

      And here they are going to collect it, KMZ now, overpower and zrad.
  2. izya top
    izya top April 30 2018 05: 03
    +8
    these combat vehicles will be used in the air assault troops
    test pepelats good we have amateurs in flying clubs collect such yes
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 April 30 2018 05: 26
      +5
      Be careful with the comments - what if Gravitsapu is invented for him ??? request belay laughing
      1. izya top
        izya top April 30 2018 05: 38
        +6
        Interestingly, it will appear in free sale? Or only through LDNR? I would use such an oh how I came up to the country repeat
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 April 30 2018 05: 43
          +11
          Quote: iza top
          Interestingly, it will appear in free sale? Or only through LDNR? I would use such an oh how I came up to the country repeat

          You are a brave man! belay Dangle to the cottage on the products of UKROBORONPROM! No.
        2. svp67
          svp67 April 30 2018 06: 01
          +6
          Quote: izya top
          Interestingly, will appear in free sale?

          I don’t know how you are, we are standing. Dial the announcement of the purchase of an AUTO GYRO, just like that, in the old fashioned way, we often call them ... there are imported ones, but many of ours. By the way, I’m not surprised by the wide interest in them in Ukraine, they were jokingly called “moto SMALTS”


          1. izya top
            izya top April 30 2018 06: 23
            +12
            I want it to be a skakunsky — he will begging for money from neighbors repeat
          2. avt
            avt April 30 2018 07: 55
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            I don’t know how you are, we are standing. Dial the announcement of the purchase of an AUTO GYRO, just like that, in the old fashioned way, we often call them ... there are imported ones, but many of ours.

            Oh woe! How dare the unworthy to compare this Moskalsky
            Quote: svp67
            CAR FAT

            с
            "Unique modern aircraft - gyrocopters."
            !!! ?? Lifetime cycle with nails to a detractor of ukrovundervafle! What can your unworthy offspring of gyroplanes, compared with
            “By the end of July, we will complete the departmental tests with a view to accepting weapons or admitting the said devices to operation. After that, these combat vehicles will be used in the airborne assault troops in order to deliver material and technical means, deliver personnel, evacuate the wounded and in the future, we assume it as a means of fire destruction, ”UNIAN quoted the words of the deputy commander of the airborne assault troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Yuri Galushkina.
            ?? wassat Well, above
            For example, about a year ago, Ukrooboronoprom announced the creation of an “ultra-modern self-propelled mortar” based on ... a Dnepr motorcycle.
            Sinful sinner just will not laugh. So with 82mm, mortars were thrown back into the Patriotic War. It’s quite a working machine, if you detach a second motorcycle under ammunition.
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 30 2018 07: 58
              +4
              hi
              Quote: avt
              So with 82mm, mortars were thrown back into the Patriotic War

              But this, there is one HUGE plus, with a mortar you can use it without REMOVING, which greatly increases both mobility and survival. For sabotage, then ...
              Quote: avt
              if you detach the second motorcycle under ammunition

              Here I think it’s not worth it, for an operation like “shot, shit and drove off” it’s enough that it will fit in a wheelchair ...
              1. avt
                avt April 30 2018 08: 01
                +3
                Quote: svp67
                Here I think it’s not worth it, for an operation like “shot, shit and drove off” it’s enough that it will fit in a wheelchair ...

                No. Estimate the weight load - mortar, calculation and BC. For any second, you need it, otherwise some kind of one-time option is inactive ... but just that you also have to push.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 30 2018 10: 29
                  +2
                  Quote: avt
                  .da just that also have to push.

                  Here it is necessary to understand the basic chassis well, I remember the "Zampotech" Ural, with the leading stroller, so this one would have rested everything on himself ... but on the account of this Dnipro, I won’t say, here you need to look very carefully at the BS ... And how do you like this “pepelats” of the Great Patriotic War
                  1. Amurets
                    Amurets April 30 2018 12: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: svp67
                    Here it is necessary to understand the basic chassis well, I remember the "Zampotech" Ural, with the leading stroller, so this one would have rested everything on himself ... but on the account of this Dnipro, I won’t say, here you need to look very carefully at the BS ...

                    Everything is suitable for the weight load if instead of the 3rd crew member there will be an 82-mm mortar.

                    The mortar itself is from 50 to 60 kg, depending on the model. tray with three mines (weighing 12 kg) Three or four trays will fit freely, and the weight load allows. And the data for motorcycles is taken from the book Heavy Motorcycles. Military Publishing House 1976.
                    Yes and more. The military units that were not far from my house were mainly armed with KMZ motorcycles. "Urals" did not seem to be.
                    1. Dedall
                      Dedall 1 May 2018 23: 33
                      +2
                      Dnipro had a wheelchair drive. We’ve had a regiment commander ride on it. So on that and mounts for the machine gun and cans were even stops for stretchers with the wounded. In short, everything is like the German BMW and “Tsundapov” WWII. And at the level, the memory was leaked, and the mind was weak.
                      And what about the gyroplane, in 2001 the Chechens had one and tried to fire at our convoy from the PKM and the “two flies.” It didn’t hit, but our eagles from AZDN couldn’t get the “zeushka” - shells passed by him flew and exploded in front.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 30 2018 13: 39
      +2
      winked I imagine clusters of an air assault company clinging to this heliocopter. what Enchanting picture!
  3. martin-159
    martin-159 April 30 2018 05: 56
    +6
    That way to the cavalry it comes.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 30 2018 06: 27
      +5
      Quote: martin-159
      That way to the cavalry it comes.

      By the way, it does not bother to revive it on a limited scale either .... in the highlands it is of great use.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets April 30 2018 06: 31
      +6
      Quote: martin-159
      That way to the cavalry it comes.

      Will not reach. Where to get the main component of a cavalry horse, if only zebras are purchased in South Africa?
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 30 2018 10: 59
        +4
        Quote: Amurets
        Will not reach. Where to get the main component of a cavalry horse, if only zebras are purchased in South Africa?

        They themselves are jumping like horses, not even oats. Shouted - "Hto do not jump, that ..." and ............ no one else, everyone rode off
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 1 May 2018 23: 06
        +1
        Let them be attacked by donkeys in Ukria, read with a million typed, 300 thousand are now under arms, someone has already quit, while someone is "running" from the draft. good
      3. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 2 May 2018 19: 39
        +1
        On pigs will move: pig - a national animal of the country 404.
    3. ventel
      ventel April 30 2018 10: 32
      0
      You better read how during the war in Chad, the Chadian Armed Forces delivered a tricked-out army of Libya on Toyota. Although the Libyans had everything and modern aviation and armored vehicles, the Chadians had nothing else but the Toyota and the pair of Panars.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 30 2018 13: 53
        +4
        You better tie with military equipment. This is not yours. In the landowner, gentlemen, in the landowner.
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 30 2018 07: 39
    +5
    I think that "gyrocopter" is quite suitable for Hohland ..... for example, it is known from the literature that "gyro ..." can be pronounced as "giro ..." From here ... "girocopter" is just right will ..... will remind Ukrainians about lard! Otherwise ... how can a hohlodes paratrooper be dragged into this pepelats? request And “by and large”, fatty cockroaches that ran into the heads of ukro-craftsmen are not a national treasure of Great Dill, because not so long ago the Abkhazians showed their dignity to the Georgians on their trikes ..... To anyone who says that the “delta ... "- not a" copter ", I’ll answer: Is this not a class (finally, a category) of ultra-light aircraft? what
    Yes, and Soviet A-7 gyros in 1941 with an engine in 480 hp , with 3 machine guns, several FAB-100 and RS-82 bombs looked "more solid" than the Ukro-pepelats of the 21 century .....
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 30 2018 07: 57
      +5
      PS And the glory of the “pioneers” will not come to the Uk-enaral .... Since, in 1907, Herbert Wells described the airborne infantry on airplanes in the novel War in the Air .... with motorcycle engines ...
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 1 May 2018 23: 08
      0
      In vain you laugh - there is a suspicion that this me pepelats cannot be shot down by MANPADS belay , he (ZR) simply has nothing to "cling to")))
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 2 May 2018 02: 25
        +2
        Quote: Mih1974
        this me pepelats can not be shot down by MANPADS, he (ZR) simply has nothing to "cling to")))

        1. MANPADS are different "happen" .... for example, English "Javelin '' (with a semi-automatic radio command guidance system); English" Starstreak '' (using a laser beam ...); Chinese QW-3 (semi-active laser ... ). These already catch on ... angry
        2. It is possible to pick up a "bolt to nut" already ... tongue
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 May 2018 02: 38
          0
          Yes, this is advertising. I saw somewhere a photo of the Finn, where he holds a knife a meter and a half long. Too lazy to look.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 2 May 2018 02: 51
            +2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            I saw somewhere a photo of the Finn, where he holds a knife a meter and a half long

            I believe! yes Only this knife ...... the sword is called! wink
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Yes, this is advertising.

            This is not advertising, but "real" guns - "ducklings" fellow


            wink
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 May 2018 03: 06
              0
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Only this knife ...... the sword is called!

              That is not ... There was a finca with a bitch. wink
  5. parusnik
    parusnik April 30 2018 08: 24
    +8
    Officials went out on a clean-up day to the park, removed branches, leaves ... But out of habit, the park was cut ....
  6. Украинец
    Украинец April 30 2018 08: 25
    +3
    In Ukraine, everything new that appears in the world is immediately used for the university.
    We have the most modern army in the world.
    1. Laughtermaster
      Laughtermaster 1 May 2018 00: 35
      0
      +, although to be honest, it’s not funny anymore.
  7. saigon
    saigon April 30 2018 08: 30
    +1
    Well, I don’t see anything funny. I don’t see a completely acceptable apparatus for a not rich punitive scum.
    Moreover, there is work for these devices. It is possible to drive away behind a booze in a quiet, not all the same tanks to drive for a water tank.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 30 2018 13: 14
      +3
      Quote: saigon
      Well, I don’t see anything funny. I don’t see a completely acceptable device for a not rich punitive bastard.

      Well, how to look ..... If: Abkhaz partisans and motor-hang gliders .... this is one .... but the "single-level" gyroplanes and Great Dill is, it seems, different .... ???
  8. demo
    demo April 30 2018 08: 32
    +1
    “Until the end of July, we will complete departmental tests with the aim of adopting or permitting the operation of these devices. After that, these combat vehicles will be used in the airborne assault troops with the aim of delivering material and technical means, delivering personnel, evacuating the wounded willows and the future, we assume it as a means of fire destruction, ”UNIAN quotes the deputy commander of the airborne assault forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Armed Forces Yuri Galushkina.
    I offer alaverdi.
    Start preparing kamikaze.
    The best option for using this aircraft.
  9. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer April 30 2018 08: 56
    0
    For a budget cut, a very suitable option. Parasha himself will not fly on it, just as he is not going to sail on troughs like Gyurz
  10. Whowhy
    Whowhy April 30 2018 09: 13
    0
    In principle, if you put a machine gunner in front, then with a massive combined attack (from the ground and from the air), in the absence of such air defense systems as Shilka, and in the absence of special training for firing at air targets, it’s in Donbas that it may even work out. And with minimal losses. True, only one or two times - until they create special units of counteraction with machine guns on anti-aircraft guns ..
    1. avt
      avt April 30 2018 09: 27
      +6
      Quote: whowhy
      In principle, if you put a machine gunner in front, then with a massive combined attack (from the ground and from the air), in the absence of such air defense systems as Shilka, and in the absence of special training for firing at air targets, it’s in Donbas that it may even work out.

      fool Yeah, they’ll also take away machine guns, waist belts from those on the ground, and all of which you can sling off sling and remove stones from under your feet.
      And with minimal losses.
      bully
      1. Whowhy
        Whowhy April 30 2018 22: 18
        0
        Of course, I also love humor. You remembered this great thing about the sling, although you yourself most likely did not even hold it in your hands .... lol
        But, firstly, you will get first without training on a maneuvering air target, even at the training ground, when they do not shoot at you simultaneously from the ground and from the air (this, by the way, is not as simple as from a sling at least somewhere to get in if you haven’t practiced for a long time). wink Is it possible that tracers in positions will suddenly be found in large quantities, and even that, I think, will not help much .... Yes, what can I say - there, there’s a shot at the Kamaz fleeing along a straight road, sometimes with the whole platoon they find six holes there .... And when you are beaten up and down by you, you don’t know "where to run and what to grab." belay It's not for nothing that I wrote about the combined attack.
        So, if there are no specially trained teams and specially adapted means of destruction (at least machine guns on anti-aircraft guns), then a couple of such attacks will take place, as they say "with a bang," and losses in the air will be much less than on the ground.
        It’s another matter if you persuade someone to persuade you to do this - on a similar chertpheike, rise into the air under bullets. After all, no matter how much you explain to the person about statistics, he has one skin .... No.
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 1 May 2018 23: 12
          0
          And I'm sorry in this sim pepelats that "born sniper" will sit? Yes, without preparation and all of a sudden it’s possible not just the first time to get there, but still it’s easier to shoot moving targets from the ground than this shit at full gallop at least get into something. Yes, and the "first rumors" are full of anti-tank systems and "cliffs", not "shilka" of course, but this tea is not Mi-24
          1. Whowhy
            Whowhy 2 May 2018 06: 10
            0
            Quote: Mih1974
            but nevertheless, shooting from a ground at a moving target is easier than this shit at full gallop at least get into something.


            Come on. lol Firstly, they will sit there prepared for such firing, fighters (mind you, with machine guns, not guns), secondly, unlike you, they will have tracer ammunition, and thirdly, are you Schwarzenegger - to shoot from a cliff? Well, it’s somehow possible from Korda, and then only horizontally and not aiming .... But about the ATGM it’s ridiculous at all - I also understand that from an ambush you can get into a low-flying direct helicopter, but not from this damn thing that is worn over the battlefield (someone here very funny talked about "slowly and sadly") and which the homing head will not even see. And then, when you have about twenty such thistles spinning over your head (cheap after all) and pouring everything in tracer lines (and you can see everything very well from above), and at the same time tanks and infantry fighting vehicles follow the artillery training shaft along the front, then even "there will be no time to scratch where you first need to shoot ....
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 30 2018 13: 57
      0
      Yeah. Then remove the screw, wheels and hit the line at a handicraft workshop in which this wunderwaffle was made.
  11. Obstacle
    Obstacle April 30 2018 09: 17
    +3
    Leo 1 is the only one bought on the cheap copy of the "helicopter" from the filming of the film about Fantomas))
  12. Altona
    Altona April 30 2018 10: 04
    +3

    Inspired by the classic from the cartoon ... And really, "run wild adit?" laughing laughing
  13. Altona
    Altona April 30 2018 10: 06
    +3
    Quote: whowhy
    In principle, if you put a machine gunner in front

    -----------------------------------
    Did you go goose hunting? The flight of this shaitan dragonfly will be short-lived. laughing
    1. Whowhy
      Whowhy April 30 2018 22: 35
      0
      Another joker .... lol
      And you imagine a situation when geese are also shooting at you (and with the whole flock), plus other hunters from all sides are naughty, and you do not have a shotgun, but at least even the same machine gun .... negative
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 1 May 2018 23: 14
        0
        And if I have at least a cliff? lol Yes, I’m not letting your “geese” enter the attack range. Forgive me, but the experience of the First World War is indicative - this infantry was chopped off by infantry for the sweet soul, even if they were airplanes. good
        1. Whowhy
          Whowhy 2 May 2018 06: 19
          0
          Well, yes ... well, yes .... And you, it means, the next Schwarzenegger, who was going to shoot from the cliff with his hands ... Well, as they say, - good luck! lol
          Forgive me, but the experience of the First World War is indicative - this infantry was chopped off by infantry for the sweet soul, even if they were airplanes.

          It is very commendable that you study history. good Only now, special anti-aircraft guns appeared only after a relatively long period of comprehension of a very sad experience ... But we are discussing (or am I the only one here, how in the desert cry?) About the specific situation in Donbas.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 06: 40
            0
            Quote: whowhy
            We are talking here ... about the specific situation in the Donbas

            And what, in the Donbass already dragonflies fly in flocks? It seems like not yet ...
            And by the time they fly in, there will be funds against them. Moreover, they, dragonflies, do not represent anything fundamentally new - a relatively slow, not too maneuverable, completely unprotected target, against a minimally protected equipment is absolutely useless.
            And all request
  14. Altona
    Altona April 30 2018 10: 07
    +4
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    I think that "gyrocopter" is quite suitable for Hohland ..... for example, it is known from the literature that "gyro ..." can be pronounced as "giro ..." From here ... "girocopter" is just right will ..... will remind Ukrainians about lard! Otherwise ... how can a hohlodes paratrooper be dragged into this pepelats?

    -----------------------------
    The paratrooper will be called the "grease thrower" ... The armed soldier thrown from the gyroscope. laughing laughing
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 30 2018 13: 19
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      The paratrooper will be called the "grease thrower."

      How time flies ... how everything changes .... during the time of my youth, we only "fat trust" and knew ... request recourse
  15. zyzx
    zyzx April 30 2018 10: 25
    +1
    Yes, a helicopter from the cult series MES, about the Korean War.
  16. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP April 30 2018 10: 31
    0
    On the other hand, in a certain range of tasks it can take off.

    Instead of one helicopter, such machines will be 10-20 with the same probability of defeat. When landing even a company (100 vehicles, 2 paratroopers with heavy weapons), no MANPADS will be enough at the defense site. And using a machine gun to damage a gyroplane is not easier than the same Mi-8, because the gyroplane has much less vital components.

    Conversely, any noticeable losses during such an amphibious operation will be almost guaranteed.

    The most interesting question, of course, remains the price. How much does one such device cost without weapons (optional, without certification and compliance with the safety requirements of civil aviation)? 20 devices are more expensive than mi-8 or cheaper?
    1. beeper
      beeper April 30 2018 13: 44
      +4
      "... for the vital components of the gyroplane are much smaller" smile
      Are you as if captured by helicopter stereotypes, Comrade Sancho_SP?
      The most “vital node” of an aircraft is its pilot yes , it’s just like the target is relatively large in area of ​​defeat and nothing (except that by smooth and careful maneuvering in speed — course and a little bit in height) is not protected from fire from the ground, and even getting into the “nodes” of the gyroplane has a secondary priority, if you "damage" the pilot, then no difference winked ... IMHO
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 1 May 2018 07: 28
        0
        All right. Pilots are the same size. And in Mi-8, they are also almost not protected by anything. But the defeat of the pilot of a gyroplane is the loss of a maximum of two paratroopers (and in the modern design in general one). But instead of a helicopter, immediately 20 people ..

        hence, no matter how cynical it may sound, they simply will not be able to bring down a significant part of such gyroplanes with MASS use due to the small number of suitable weapons.
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 1 May 2018 23: 20
          +1
          Have you ever had a young man to see what a cliff is in a video? fool Try to tell the machine gunner how difficult it is for him to bring down a dozen of this slowly flying shit, so he will laugh at you.
          I repeat for Dumb - this is NOT Mi-24, it does not accelerate to decent speeds and on approach it will be just a slightly swaying target.
          1. Whowhy
            Whowhy 2 May 2018 06: 31
            0
            Try to tell the machine gunner how difficult it is for him to bring down a dozen of this slowly flying shit, so he will laugh at you.
            It’s you who is trying to tell the machine gunner how he will famously shoot down air targets from an ordinary (non-anti-aircraft) machine (what does he never shoot at in real life). He will probably also knock on you: fool
          2. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 4 May 2018 18: 38
            0
            So you yourself do not repeat, therefore?

            With the number of such targets of pieces 10-15 for each machine gun in the offensive zone, how much time will pass from detection to firing? And for how long such a contraption will overcome 1-3 kilometers and hide in the folds of the terrain in a hurry landing? And if it passes over the position (which would also have had to deploy machine guns to his rear)? And if at dusk?
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 1 May 2018 23: 16
      0
      MANPADS will not be able to shoot this shit repeat , he corny "does not catch" for her. There is no EPR, no thermal trace. Here you can’t make sure without dough - so let the ukrovermat fly in, that’s lol
  17. Warrior Hamilton
    Warrior Hamilton April 30 2018 10: 33
    0
    The most important thing (and this is a military secret) - all this works on free gas bully
  18. LMN
    LMN April 30 2018 10: 50
    +5
    For some reason, aviation of the early 20th century comes to mind. When the second crew member threw grenades and bombs during the flight good
    1. LMN
      LMN April 30 2018 12: 12
      +5

      Something like this lol

      I wonder what speed at the final stage is gaining potato dumped from a height of a couple of kilometers? what
  19. Antares
    Antares April 30 2018 11: 16
    +1
    The first Russian gyrocopter under the name "Red Engineer" made its first flight on September 25, 1929. It was developed at the Kamov Design Bureau.

    Light gyroplane KASKR-1 (-2) "Red Engineer" was SOVIET(Russian authors are so reminiscent of Ukrainian ones, and the latter are still spread for it, although the Russians are doing the same).
    By the way, Stalin liked him.
    N.K. Skrizhinsky is involved in the creation of the A-4 gyroplane, and N.I.Kamov begins to lead the design of the A-7, which was developed on the instructions of the Air Force as a close reconnaissance and artillery spotter. A very small design team helped Kamov: M.L. Mil, N.S. Terekhov, V.A. Solodovnikov, A.E. Lebedev, V.I. Barshev, V.S. Morozov and I.I. Andreev.
    In the USSR, as you know, Ukraine was one of the most important scientific and technical centers of the Soviet military-industrial complex, where truly state-of-the-art military equipment was developed and produced, including aviation.

    In addition to Antonov, in Ukraine there is a design bureau for fighters, helicopters, etc. All were in the RSFSR.
    That’s why they rely on UAVs, gyros / gycopters and more.

    It is worth noting that the device can come close to the enemy unnoticed, it can be heard at a distance of only 350 meters, and the ability to fly low disguises it among the trees on the horizon.
    Due to its simple design, it is very maneuverable and functional. Gyrocopters rise up to 5000 m, and speed picks up to 200 km / h. The machine is quite economical, has a flight range of 350 km on one refueling and lifts 350 kg of cargo
    Niche device
    In Belarus, they upgraded the Orion M24 (the same gyrocopter from Italy), he was also interested in the Russian Federation.
    The gyrocopter site is most similar to
    Gyrocopter Silver3 cost from 17 thousand euros. PP Avtozhir deals with details.
    HORS Airlines funded (by the way, it was the Americans who tortured it for Iran with sanctions) that would be finalized.
    I certainly like the American cartercopter from modern gyrocopters
  20. Ivan Petrov-Vodkin
    Ivan Petrov-Vodkin April 30 2018 12: 03
    +2
    So far, until the beginning of the XNUMXth century, they have degraded, but they still have everything ahead. At this pace, they will soon slide down to the Middle Ages. They already fought with catapults. It remains to invent military flying brooms to circumnavigate them over the divisions and toss them on top with a known substance.
  21. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor April 30 2018 12: 39
    +4
    Maybe it will all end
    1. Laughtermaster
      Laughtermaster 1 May 2018 00: 41
      +1
      Azah, Mad Max, I remember there was one flying a gyroplane.
  22. komis55
    komis55 April 30 2018 13: 49
    +1
    An atlas with airways is urgently needed, and this will put all the dots over I. A full-fledged flying vehicle is a helicopter, and flying stools should be prohibited. From this calculation, cities will also develop.
  23. tivivlat
    tivivlat April 30 2018 17: 33
    +1
    it seems that them, a Jew, Serpent-OLIGARCHYCH and this presented, will soon gobble up.
  24. wow
    wow April 30 2018 19: 10
    +1
    The local people stupefied completely and completely without the ability to recover. Those. its complete disposal is unnecessary.
  25. shuravi
    shuravi April 30 2018 22: 52
    0
    Quote: yo-mine
    The local people stupefied completely and completely without the ability to recover. Those. its complete disposal is unnecessary.


    Are you talking about local commentators?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 30 2018 22: 55
      +1
      Quote: shuravi
      Are you talking about local commentators?

      No, it's more about the people under the yellow-black flag.
  26. shuravi
    shuravi April 30 2018 23: 09
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: shuravi
    Are you talking about local commentators?

    No, it's more about the people under the yellow-black flag.


    Do you think that under the tricolor of nerds a little?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 30 2018 23: 12
      +1
      Quote: shuravi
      Do you think that under the tricolor of nerds a little?

      There are plenty of them under any flag yes
  27. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle April 30 2018 23: 30
    0

    As Woland advised Likhodeyev on a hangover: “Treat the like with the like,” if the salocopter is the level of the thirties, then we look what was in the air defense. That's right, quad maxim, well, and a bonus, equip one trunk with tracers and hello!
    1. Laughtermaster
      Laughtermaster 1 May 2018 00: 45
      0
      For a complete picture, there are not enough rumors on acoustic devices.
      There generally the field is not plowed for creativity laughing
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 1 May 2018 23: 26
      0

      Here’s a completely modern answer, from the shaggy years, even on the wiki - sighting range of 3500 meters. So fly this pipelats on DShK and a mustache lol "only feathers in opposite directions." laughing
      1. Whowhy
        Whowhy 2 May 2018 06: 08
        0
        Well, that's what I write about it, damn it. And at least there are a lot of such "modern answers" in positions ??? Although this is far from an anti-aircraft machine. I would have looked at you, how you are squatting around him when you need to quickly and far move the aiming point ....
        Moreover, it’s only in the cinema like that - the DShK looks unattended, ran up and shot down an airplane right away ... To successfully apply this "modern answer", special training is needed.
  28. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 1 May 2018 15: 24
    +1
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    PS And the glory of the “pioneers” will not come to the Uk-enaral .... Since, in 1907, Herbert Wells described the airborne infantry on airplanes in the novel War in the Air .... with motorcycle engines ...

    Yes, there still their pilots with sabers attacked the airships and chopped the skin. Enchanting!
  29. Whowhy
    Whowhy 2 May 2018 05: 57
    0
    Quote: Mih1974
    but nevertheless, shooting from a ground at a moving target is easier than this shit at full gallop at least get into something.

    Come on. lol Firstly, they will sit there prepared for such firing, fighters (mind you, with machine guns, not guns), secondly, unlike you, they will have tracer ammunition, and thirdly, are you Schwarzenegger - to shoot from a cliff? Well, it’s somehow possible from Korda, and then only horizontally and not aiming .... But about the ATGM it’s ridiculous at all - I also understand that from an ambush you can get into a low-flying direct helicopter, but not from this damn thing that is worn over the battlefield (someone here very funny talked about "slowly and sadly") and which the homing head will not even see. And then, when you have about twenty such thistles spinning over your head (cheap after all) and pouring everything in tracer lines (and you can see everything very well from above), and at the same time tanks and infantry fighting vehicles follow the artillery training shaft along the front, then even "there will be no time to scratch where you first need to shoot ....
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 06: 08
      +1
      Quote: whowhy
      you have twenty such thistles spinning over your head (cheap after all)

      Well ... yes, inexpensive. And the “fighters” on them are also cheap. But at the same time -
      Quote: whowhy
      prepared

      Oh. Cyborgs. Disposable. With nine lives.
      Quote: whowhy
      they will have tracer ammunition

      Great let
      Quote: whowhy
      watered everything with tracing queues (and everything is very clearly visible from above)

      The fact that the machine gun is visible at the same time as the exhibition obviously does not bother you. And, IMHO, in vain - such, for example, such a thing

      Yours
      Quote: whowhy
      about twenty such thistles

      - only for warm-up.
      And he will see and grumble with pleasure.
      Just imagine yourself in the role of such a "cyborg", and honestly tell me - do you want (for yourself, beloved) such gymnastics, or, maybe, what for wink
      1. Whowhy
        Whowhy 2 May 2018 06: 35
        0
        Man, ay ... I’m talking about Donbas, and you, excuse me, about what ???
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 06: 59
          +1
          Quote: whowhy
          I'm here about Donbas

          I noticed that you are trying ... to portray yes
          Quote: whowhy
          and you, excuse me, about what ???

          I'm talking about the fact that you are not talking about the Donbass, but about some kind of shooting game.
          Not yet ukrov these dragonflies. And when they will be, and whether they will be - is unknown.
          If they are, there will be funds to nullify the dragonflies. I repeat - this prodigy is nothing new.
          Objections, suggestions, additions?
  30. hamster1979
    hamster1979 3 May 2018 11: 45
    +1
    Autogyro is ordinary. He gathered at the KhAI students dozens of years ago - from a twin motorcycle engine. The design has not changed since. But why is it in the Ukrainian army ????? I don’t understand how it can be applied. If in the mountains for special operations - still wherever it went. But in the globe of Ukraine impassable mountains are not observed.