We held out. There is money. Have a good mood!

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“There is no money, but you hold on,” said the country’s Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and immediately burst into the sky of Russian literature like a meteor, temporarily eclipsing our Zlatousts Viktor Chernomydin and Kozma Prutkov.



We held out. There is money. Have a good mood!

Engraving. Miser. Dutch school, 17th century


The people understand everything, look with loving eyes and blink their eyelashes. He holds onto the air with his hands so as not to fall. The only thing he doesn’t understand is where the money is? Why are they not there? Where did they go, the damned money, from our Fatherland?

The war is somewhere far away... All the soldiers of the Syrian contingent can be counted on one hand, which, with all our insatiable salary fantasies, cannot be an extremely expensive undertaking. The Fathers of the Fatherland mentioned that the costs of the Syrian conflict will be taken from the bowels of the Ministry of Defense. There were pennies there for combat training, so we are conducting combat training in places where the persecutor of Christians, Saul, converted to the head of the Christian church, Paul, by depriving him of his sight. And this happened on the road to Damascus.

The global economic situation allows Mother Russia to order new beads for itself in the form of the World Cup. Build new stadiums for trillions of rubles, build day and night, of course, the necessary and even vital Crimean Bridge, the longest in Europe. State employees receive a bribe for their work so small that it is hard to see even with a microscope. Our pensioners are never pampered. The winter has been warm for several years in a row, and this also saves money on the budget. Gas and oil flow through pipes where ordered. The sanctions imposed by world imperialism are life-giving for agriculture. There are a hundred billion dollars hanging around in American government securities alone. It is unknown how much money is frozen in European securities, and in Japanese and Chinese securities - there must be a lot. Gold reserves are growing. As of April 20 of this year, the international reserves of the Russian Federation amount to 463.8 billion US dollars. It would seem that everything is fine, but there is no money. I wish you health and good mood.

When there is no money, then deflation must be observed in the economy and life. This is a process when prices for goods fall while wages are relatively stable or slightly declining. The last time this happened in our Fatherland was under Emperor Joseph Stalin. Three or four times during the New Year, prices for certain groups of goods were reduced; you can ask your grandparents about this. The Pravda newspaper invariably noted an increase in trade turnover in the country due to lower prices. Deflation leads to an overall decline in GDP expressed in monetary terms, and this does not look good in reports. With one stroke of the pen, tariffs for housing and communal services and excise taxes are increased. These additional expenses do not allow the figure to sag.


Caricature, author unknown. 20th century


No money left. No - print it!

“No, no, there will be inflation,” economists happy with life will answer me.

Will not be. The nature of inflation in Russia depends little on the amount of money in circulation. In Russia there has not been enough money in circulation for a long time. Both cash and non-cash. Maximum inflation (1998 - 84%) and minimum inflation (2011 - 6.1%) were observed with almost the same increase in the money supply, by 21-22%. The growth of the money supply in some years was at the level of 50% (these are 1999, 2000, 2003, 2006). For example, the acceleration of the growth of the money supply to 50% in 2003 did not lead to an acceleration of inflation, but to its decrease. A similar situation was observed in 2006.

At the everyday level, I will say that the author has never received in the form of change a banknote with the image of a snowboarder against the backdrop of the Olympic venues in Sochi. The banknote was issued in 2014 with a circulation of 20 million pieces. And this, please move, is 2 billion rubles. I also didn’t hold in my hands the 2015 hundred-ruble notes with the image of Crimea, which is also 2 billion. There is one such bill for every 7 people living in Russia! You will laugh, but the cost of such banknotes at online auctions is approximately 200 rubles.

Crimean Bridge, a miracle of the first quarter of this century. The total cost of implementing the Crimean Bridge construction project will be 227.922 billion rubles. If banknotes with the image of a bridge were issued for the amount indicated in the estimate, Russians would have 1.5 banknotes or a little more in their wallets. One and a half hundred-ruble banknotes for each. There is reason to think.

On April 12, 2016, the Central Bank of Russia announced the introduction into circulation of new banknotes with a denomination of 200 rubles. The text of the statement states that the appearance of these bills will simplify monetary transactions and will not affect the total amount of money in circulation. New banknotes will be introduced through the withdrawal of old ones. The Central Bank emphasized that the adoption of this decision is connected with the planned reduction in inflation to 4-6% by the end of 2016.

Due to old banknotes, that is, designated for destruction. This is where you can start to fight in hysterics. 5 ruble banknotes have been withdrawn from circulation. Ten ruble bills are already very rare. Metallic money is also washed out of circulation. Commemorative bimetallic 10-ruble coins are rare. Some issues cost crazy amounts of money in terms of face value to value ratio.

Old data was specially taken for the so-called fat years of the economy. The actors in the economic arena are still the same. The level of monetization of the Russian economy in 2005 was 33%, while in countries comparable to Russia the level of monetization is much higher: China - 201%, Canada - 162%, Japan - 124%, USA - 71%, India - 71% . In 2007, the level of monetization of the Russian economy was about 35%. Data for subsequent years allow us to draw a conclusion about the artificial and economically unjustified under-monetization of the Russian economy.

The icon of liberal economists, Friedman, formulated his famous monetary rule: the money supply circulating in a market economy should increase following the increase in the nominal market value of the GNP produced; it should not increase discretely (intermittently), but constantly, from month to month, and so on for whole year.

And further beauty in this theory: if the money supply circulating in a market economy turns out to be significantly greater than the nominal market value of the GNP produced, then the money supply must be compressed. MORE THAN THE NOMINAL VALUE of the gross national product. You need to triple the money supply before you start compressing it! Instead of grumbling, I will note that in the first months of this year there was 305 billion rubles less cash in the economy. There was 3.2 percent less cash. In addition, it must be said that 5,000 ruble bills make up 75% of all money in circulation. And 100 ruble bills are only one percent of the total amount.

There is no money, and we need to get it. The hand involuntarily reached for the Mauser. Put aside, let’s reach for A. Gridin’s book “How the Bolsheviks nationalized commercial banks” (1962, “Experience and documents of the post-October days in Petrograd”). This work is a continuation of Gridin’s book “How the Bolsheviks took control of the State Bank,” published by the State Financial Publishing House in 1961. Not suitable as a means?

A very good example of raising money for public needs was left to us by the civil war commander Nikolai Shchors.

On February 5, 1919, Kyiv was occupied by the Red Army. The commandant of the city was the 23-year-old commander of the 2nd brigade, Nikolai Shchors. Taking a revolver out of his holster, he went into the bank office, introduced himself and demanded that he be given a truly astronomical amount. Hearing that there was no cash in the bank, he became angry, ordered an urgent gathering of staff and made a speech. The speaker was told that communism is wonderful, but there is still no money, because it was withdrawn by investors. Then the brigade commander demanded that the bank immediately force wealthy clients to return their savings to their accounts. They objected to him that the bank did not have such powers. Shchors was amazed at the gentleness of the old-regime employees and ordered that lists of the richest investors be sent to him, indicating their home addresses.

Each “money bag” was issued a personal invitation to appear at a meeting of depositors, which would take place at the Gaiman Theater at 8 Meringovskaya Street (now Zankovetskaya Street, the building has not survived). The note stated that if the recipient did not show up, he would be arrested. For greater persuasiveness, these summonses were carried out by Red Army soldiers with rifles.

The theater hall was filled with a brilliant audience. Finally the curtain opened to reveal a dark and empty stage. Those present looked at each other in bewilderment. A moment later, the spotlights suddenly flared up, flooding the stage with bright light. Shchors appeared from behind the scenes with a Maxim machine gun. The hall was numb.

The commandant of Kyiv, with decisive movements, tucked in the belt with cartridges, lay down on the floor and pointed the “iron agitator” at those gathered. Those sitting in the front rows ran away, but the doors to the auditorium were locked. There was no escape. Literally deathly silence reigned. Nobody knew whether there would be a burst of fire in the next second or not. The shock experienced made the right impression on investors. The next morning, the millions needed by the Bolsheviks were returned to the bank.

I’m afraid that this performance, repeat it in Moscow in 2018 in a theater with ... [censored], will also not be liked by fellow citizens.

There are many peaceful ways to saturate the economy with money. It is possible to allow the circulation of the “Yeltsin coin”, which now in fact does not differ in denomination from current coins. Still the same metal, still the same diameter, still the same double-headed eagle.

Based on the experience of Tsarist Russia, it is possible to issue stamps - money that “travels on a par with a silver coin.”

You can turn to the experience of Germany and give the right to cities and towns to print “emergency money.”

Or you can simply dismiss the economic bloc of the government, exile the entire directorate of the Central Bank to the remote taiga... study Friedman's theory! Now is the right occasion - the assumption of power by a newly elected president, who must (and even is obliged) to dismiss the government.

Dear Comrade President! Find yourself and us a financier who will say: “We held out. There is money. Have a good mood and good health!”
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  1. Alf
    +56
    30 April 2018 05:04
    Or you can simply dismiss the economic bloc of the government, exile the entire directorate of the Central Bank to the remote taiga... study Friedman's theory!

    Who should we send? Everyone is there.
    who should (and even is obliged) to dismiss the government.

    He will send and recruit, if not the same ones, then the same ones. Who is our main liberal? Who declared in 2000 that “there will be no change of course” and in 2014 that “there will be no modernization, but a continuation of the course”?
    Dear Comrade President! Find yourself and us a financier who will say: “We held out. There is money. Have a good mood and good health!”

    What for ? Everything is fine with us, Kudrin is one of his friends, Nabiullina is one of the best bankers. They promise GDP growth by as much as 1% (although they do not say that this is a statistical error). What else do you need?
    And Kudrin’s position is excellent - advisor, i.e., everything he says must be carried out, and if it goes wrong (why “if”), then the sanctions and the position of the United States are to blame.
    1. +9
      30 April 2018 05:10
      Quote: Alf
      Kudrin’s position is excellent - advisor, i.e., everything he says must be carried out...

      Hmmm... "hello from a big hangover"? wink
      You look extremely gloomy early in the morning. And - let's note - the holidays haven't even arrived yet...
      You are there, this... hold on be more careful, right? yes
      1. Alf
        +61
        30 April 2018 05:11
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Alf
        Kudrin’s position is excellent - advisor, i.e., everything he says must be carried out...

        Hmmm... hello from a big hangover? wink

        If you have nothing to say, then it’s better to remain silent, you’ll see if you’re smart.
        1. +7
          30 April 2018 05:29
          Quote: Alf
          It’s better to remain silent, you see, the smart one will get a ride

          Yesss good laughing good
          I guess I wasn’t wrong about the “hangover”...
          Quote: Alf
          If you have nothing to say...

          And someone's - "nothing"? Eat wink
          Let's start with the fact that Kudrin is not an adviser to the President at all (but, for example, Glazyev is just that).
          Next, Advisor to the President -
          ... this is a person authorized by the President of the Russian Federation to provide him with constant assistance in the formation and implementation of a national development strategy and state policy in the relevant field of activity...

          That is, yours
          Quote: Alf
          advisor, i.e., everything he says is mandatory

          the essence is nonsense. Delirium yes
          Well, further according to your text sleepy speeches request
          1. +50
            30 April 2018 06:54
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Let's start with the fact that Kudrin is not an adviser to the President at all... ...

            That is, your
            Quote: Alf
            adviser, i.e., everything he says must be carried out

            is nonsense. Delirium

            Or maybe Kudrin is more than an adviser to Putin? What does Putin himself think about this?
            In December 2011, Putin again stated that Kudrin “did not leave my team anywhere.” Putin described Kudrin as “my very old, good comrade, close, and I will even say that he is my friend.” Putin said that he and Kudrin have differences on some issues, but these differences are not of a fundamental nature.

            Wikipedia goes on to say:
            On November 1, 2013, Kudrin joined the presidium of the Economic Council under the President of the Russian Federation

            During a direct line in 2016, Putin announced that Kudrin would actively work in the presidential expert council on issues related to the development strategy of the Russian Federation in the period after 2018, because he “wants to contribute to solving the problems facing the country” [68].

            On April 20, 2016, Kudrin agreed to head the board of the Center for Strategic Research.[69]. On April 30, 2016, by decree of Putin, Kudrin was appointed deputy chairman of the Economic Council under the President of Russia [70].

            On May 30, 2017, at a meeting with the participation of Russian President Vladimir Putin, he presented packages of measures for the country’s economic growth for the period 2018-2024.

            Can you tell me what Kudrin does at government meetings with Putin’s participation? In what capacity does Kudrin give advice? Jack Golovan, first of all you are misleading people, clinging to every letter, replacing the real meaning with a formality... And at the same time insulting your interlocutor!
            1. +4
              30 April 2018 07:02
              Quote: Stas157
              And at the same time you insult

              Staseg, I’m about to upset you...to the point of impossibility:
              Quote: Stas157
              In December 2011, Putin again stated

              Today 04/30/2018, Staseg belay
              Quote: Stas157
              Further Wikipedia reports

              good laughing good
              But comments, as the “partners” say.
              Quote: Stas157
              What does Kudrin do at government meetings with Putin’s participation?

              Sitting, I guess? By the way, what should the President do at government meetings? Can you give me some advice?
              Quote: Stas157
              In what capacity does Kudrin give advice?

              Which ones, to whom? Specifics, sister, specifics to the studio...
              Quote: Stas157
              cling to every letter

              I'm just reading carefully. Professional, you know? wink
              1. +28
                30 April 2018 07:25
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: Stas157
                In December 2011, Putin again stated

                Today 04/30/2018, Staseg

                But has something changed? If it has changed, please tell me what. By the way, if you are so attentive, read the last date indicated in my comment, and do not tear out excerpts.
                1. +2
                  30 April 2018 07:30
                  Quote: Stas157
                  But has something changed? If it has changed, please tell me what

                  How many years have passed, no?
                  A lot has changed, Stasega... but convincing a troll in a training manual is not my job, I already told you about this.
                  Make fun of you - yes, I can wink
                  Quote: Stas157
                  read the last date listed

                  Are you talking about
                  Quote: Stas157
                  ... packages of measures for the country's economic growth for the period 2018-2024

                  ?
                  I know about these proposals and their future fate. And you, no doubt, know all this too.
                  And it’s no use trying to flame me.
                  By the way, you also know this... Staseg engineer laughing
                  1. +47
                    April 30, 2018 08:11
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Make fun of you - yes, I can

                    Continue to live in your illusions. Everything you do is very small. You are only disgracing yourself with your rudeness.
                    1. +3
                      30 April 2018 08:17
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Everything you do is very small

                      Your call is very important to us... beep-beep-beep...
                      Quote: Stas157
                      You are only disgracing yourself with your rudeness

                      It’s better to teach your colleague some politeness:
                      Quote: free
                      ...he's a lackey...

                      It’s a pity for a colleague... he’ll definitely run into trouble yes
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              2. +31
                30 April 2018 15:59
                Golovan Jack you are already being kicked without me. Let me get off my feet too. In order to make sure that the liberal government is in charge, you don’t need to study economic theories, you just need to look around. The poor results of the activities of your owners from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation are visible to the naked eye and you cannot whiten this fact in any way.
            2. +35
              April 30, 2018 10:10
              Quote: Stas157
              Jack Golovan, first of all you are misleading people, clinging to every letter, replacing the real meaning with a formality... And at the same time insulting your interlocutor!

              Yes, he's just a man at work.
              1. 0
                April 30, 2018 10:19
                Quote: True
                Yes, the man is just at work

                Oh well... I just find you funny. Both Staseg and even Greenwood are a threat to fields and vegetable gardens.
        2. +7
          30 April 2018 07:05
          Quote: Alf
          If you have nothing to say, then it’s better to remain silent, you’ll see if you’re smart.

          =========
          HERE!! This is exactly what I would like to recommend to you!!!
          1. dsk
            +5
            30 April 2018 07:47
            Dear Comrade President! Find it for yourself and for us

            good "Producer" - premiere, the current one said after the previous presidential elections that he would not leave “politics.” Said - done. The successful experience of China shows that the country is quite satisfied with one “politician” - the president.
            1. dsk
              +3
              April 30, 2018 11:33
              good "manufacturer"

              "The leadership of the new Russian government has become known.
              Igor Sechin was confirmed as First Deputy Prime Minister. At the moment, he still holds the position of executive director of PJSC NK Rosneft. The remaining two seats as deputy heads of government were given to Denis Manturov and Sergei Chemezov. The first currently holds the position of Minister of Industry and Trade, the second heads the Rostec corporation.
              The data obtained is consistent with previous inside information that Dmitry Medvedev will retain his post, but his two deputies will resign. We are talking about Deputy Prime Ministers Igor Shuvalov and Arkady Dvorkovich." (TV "Tsargrad 09:49, 30/04/18)
        3. +35
          30 April 2018 08:57
          give me a ride for a smart guy
          Does he need it? he is on the site precisely to flood and write nasty things. And the mind is not monetized.
          1. +2
            30 April 2018 09:03
            Quote: Gardamir
            that's why he's on the site

            I am on the site “precisely for this purpose”, “so that the crucian carp does not doze off.”
            And so that life doesn’t seem like honey to you and others like you.
            Quote: Gardamir
            ...flood and write nasty things...

            But this is precisely why you are our specialist... simply the largest laughing
            Quote: Gardamir
            And the mind is not monetized

            Are you referring to yourself? If so, then, IMHO - entirely in vain. There's nothing there... to monetize request
            1. +2
              30 April 2018 09:20
              Romance, respect and respect.
              It's nice to look at these all-goers.... Who know everything in their opinion. But the hands don’t grow from there...
        4. +2
          April 30, 2018 10:13
          Quote: Alf
          If you have nothing to say, then it’s better to remain silent, you’ll see if you’re smart.

          That's it! And then they spin all sorts of things out of a hangover. fool Which is what Golvan Jack actually noted. hi
    2. +6
      30 April 2018 16:50
      Quote: Alf
      Everything is fine with us, Kudrin is one of his friends, Nabiullina is one of the best bankers. They promise GDP growth by as much as 1% (although they do not say that this is a statistical error). What else do you need?


      Hmmm!
      Under Stalin, prices for goods fell.
      Putin is relying on the wrong people...
      1. Alf
        +8
        30 April 2018 19:49
        Quote: Albert
        Putin is relying on the wrong people...

        Just for those who are faithful and who think the same way.
  2. +18
    30 April 2018 05:30
    Respect to the author!)
    1. +19
      30 April 2018 05:55
      You're right. The author touched upon the most important topic for any citizen of RUSSIA. But apparently economists in the government are not interested in DEVELOPMENT; they have other priorities.
    2. +3
      30 April 2018 21:54
      “send the entire directorate of the Central Bank to the remote taiga... study Friedman’s theory”
      The fact of the matter is that our Central Bank is INDEPENDENT by Design! No one can exile them, except perhaps Shchers and Maxim. And only the Central Bank and no one else has the right to print money.
      1. +1
        30 April 2018 22:14
        Quote: Igor V
        The fact of the matter is that our Central Bank is INDEPENDENT by design

        In a certain sense, yes. For example, the government cannot order the Central Bank to print more money.
        And it is right.
        This, however, does not mean at all that
        Quote: Igor V
        No one can exile them, except perhaps Shchers and Maxim

        All people, and all walk under God... and the Law. Strange as it may sound.
        Quote: Igor V
        And only the Central Bank and no one else has the right to print money

        But this is exactly right. And don't envy - envy is a sin laughing
        PS: and “according to the Design” means according to the Constitution, probably?
        1. +4
          2 May 2018 10:51
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And don't envy - envy is a sin

          It’s interesting that Jews always think that everyone is jealous of them...
          Envy is a characteristic feature of the Jews
          1. 0
            2 May 2018 10:54
            Quote: Albert
            Envy is a characteristic feature of the Jews

            Hmm... well, you certainly know better wink
            As far as I understand, you have no questions about the Constitution with the Central Bank? Well, just keep swimming... little fish yes
      2. +6
        30 April 2018 23:08
        How can the independence of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation protect its leaders from punishment for anti-state activities?
        Did he choose them for the post himself, or did the Government appoint them? Shchors, by the way, did not steal money from the bank’s depositors, did not even expropriate it, although, if you believe the above, he had all the levers for implementation. He attracted depositors to the bank by offering more favorable conditions than before. In conditions of hostilities, this is a more than humane act, showing the desire of the Soviet government to adhere to the existing legal framework.
        1. +2
          May 1, 2018 01:19
          So, am I really against Shchors? As for the Central Bank, our leadership is satisfied with its activities, there is no anti-state behavior. Unfortunately. And Shchors had great leverage; the further you live, the more often you want to have it at hand. Alas.
          1. 0
            May 1, 2018 01:40
            The list of researchers of Friedman's theory has increased;-)
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  4. +23
    30 April 2018 05:56
    Print money and increase salaries and pensions.
    I am an unemployed pensioner and will spend the money in my country, and this is a plus for manufacturers of products and goods. Or maybe tie the salaries of Duma deputies, ministers and government officials to the size of pensions? For example 1 to 5 or 1 to 10? 50,000 - 100,000 rub. decent salary.
    1. +5
      30 April 2018 18:26
      Quote: iv-nord
      Print money and increase salaries and pensions.

      You see. You can't just print money. The author here simply does not understand or is outright lying. A money supply that is not backed by the same volume of goods (services) inevitably depreciates.
      You have 100 rubles. you bought a chicken for a hundred rubles. 10 people have 100 rubles each. They bought 10 chickens. Suddenly you have 200 rubles. And 10 people got 200 rubles each. Do you think you bought 2 chickens, and all 10 bought 20 chickens? No, my dear. You bought the same 10 chickens because, unlike the money, there were no more chickens. And then the chicken seller said..hmm..so he has 200 rubles. I have only one chicken. I'll raise the price. the path now pays 200 rubles. If he doesn't want to, don't buy it. And you buy for 200 rubles. where will you go? But in order for you to buy 2 chickens for 200 rubles, you need to raise and develop the agricultural sector, increasing productivity and reducing production costs, so that they have 2 chickens, each at a price of 100 rubles. Then we can give you not 100 rubles, but 200
      Here's how it works. Very simple. Therefore, you cannot simply increase the money supply. It should ALWAYS be equivalent to the volume of goods. ALWAYS.
      This is an example, so to speak.
      1. +5
        30 April 2018 19:29
        The commodity mass of Russia is not provided with banknotes by approximately 60 percent.
        1. +1
          30 April 2018 19:32
          Quote: genko
          The commodity mass of Russia is not provided with banknotes by approximately 60 percent

          How much of the “commodity mass” is, for example, crude oil and gas?
          Should crude oil and gas be backed by "currency notes"?
          Thank you yes
        2. 0
          May 1, 2018 09:38
          Quote: genko
          The commodity mass of Russia is not provided with banknotes by approximately 60 percent.

          In general, the “commodity mass” also includes the “provision of services,” that is, the “non-material” component. So the money supply cannot be compared exclusively with tons, pieces, liters, etc.
          There are also completely “intangible” products. Crediting, leasing, insurance, stock exchanges, shares, and even a smaller hairdressing salon, beauty salon, and many, many, many...
          For example, in the USA, about 80% of their “successful economy” is “intangible” wink
          That is, in fact, a soap bubble.
      2. +6
        30 April 2018 22:13
        Once upon a time, a certain Zhenya Onegin “...knew how the state gets rich and how it lives and why it doesn’t need gold when it has a simple product...” Nowadays, economists cherish only gold and foreign exchange reserves. Once upon a time, not very long ago, at the start of capital construction, the bank opened a loan for this construction. And the money invested in brick, concrete and plaster eventually turned into fixed assets. And to ensure that the money from this loan did not go towards the purchase of a carload of French perfumes, special bank employees monitored this. Now, in order to build a residential building, it is necessary to rob shareholders, but there are no special people anymore. But the past president and first minister unanimously asserted last December that they like the economic system and are crazy about the Central Bank. So there is no need to expect any changes.
        1. 0
          30 April 2018 22:30
          Quote: Igor V
          Now, in order to build a residential building, it is necessary to rob shareholders, but there are no special people anymore

          This is especially for those who are looking for cheap.
          And so - at least buy ready-made housing. They won't deceive you there, but it's more expensive there. For completely objective reasons, by the way. request
          1. +7
            30 April 2018 23:27
            You don’t understand what I’m writing about (or don’t want to). To build a house, you need money, and you can only get it with a draconian loan or from equity holders. Buyers still pay draconian interest rates. This is an abnormal system, since capital construction in itself creates added value. And if we turn to industry, enterprises cannot endlessly raise the price of products, due to contractual obligations and because of foreign manufacturers using cheap loans. Within 3-5 years, actively operating enterprises find themselves in the bondage of banks, which are happy to bankrupt them. Moreover, the best enterprises go bankrupt, even at a loss to the banks themselves. And all this is due to lack of money.
            1. +1
              30 April 2018 23:34
              Quote: Igor V
              To build a house, you need money, and you can only get it with a draconian loan or from equity holders. Buyers still pay draconian interest rates

              So far so good.
              Quote: Igor V
              This is an abnormal system, since capital construction in itself creates added value

              Well, it creates. And what do you suggest? Who should pay the "draconian interest" - the developer?
              I’ll say right away that as long as people buy from him at a “price that includes interest on the loan,” he will not reduce the price. What for?
              Quote: Igor V
              If we turn to industry, then enterprises cannot endlessly raise the price of products, due to contractual obligations and because of foreign manufacturers using cheap loans

              As a buyer, this suits me quite well...
              Quote: Igor V
              Within 3-5 years, actively operating enterprises end up in the custody of banks, which are happy to bankrupt them

              Yak, wushi? May I not believe it?
              Quote: Igor V
              Moreover, the best enterprises go bankrupt, even at a loss to the banks themselves

              Is it true? Are you sure you're not confusing anything? Is the bank operating at a loss?
              Strange recourse
              Quote: Igor V
              And all this due to lack of money

              Which ones??! Cash, bank transfer?
              Who?? At the bank, at the buyer, at the enterprise?
              Some kind of blizzard, sorry, Goss...
              1. +7
                May 1, 2018 00:31
                You apparently do not live in Russia.
                Take an interest, for example, in Rossban or Neman Pulp and Paper Mill.
                A third factory was launched there in the spring (production expansion), and in the summer Sber filed for bankruptcy. All other creditors were against it, saying that the operating enterprise would pay all its debts, but the court believed Sberbank. The pulp and paper mill made a feat that all economists were delighted with: they bought a brand with equipment. The value of the brand is included in the fixed assets, the value of the shares has increased and covered the debt (previously the company paid off the SB with shares). But the court appointed an external manager for the enterprise, which in fact no longer owes anything. The pulp and paper mill, which cost billions, is gradually being sold for scrap. If you don't believe this, look at KD-avia. There's a detective there. And there should be so much money that there is a supply of this money and, accordingly, the interest rate decreases. Now the interest rate is high due to the high rate of the Central Bank, and those banks that are trying to offer their own funds at a low interest rate are closed by the Central Bank, as, for example, Investment Bank was closed. And whether it’s cash or non-cash, it doesn’t matter.
                1. +4
                  May 1, 2018 01:07
                  Only the Central Bank has the right to issue money.
                  He gives this money to other banks at a refinancing rate. The rate is high, but there is little money, since the Central Bank does not want to print it (see article). Banks, receiving money at high interest rates, do not want to work with industry - it is long, tedious and the result is risky. It’s easier to work with the population - the return begins immediately, there are no risks, the vast majority of them pay off their loans. It turns out there is no money for industry. To support strategic industries, state corporations were created, which, in fact, operate on socialist principles - the budget finances production interest-free, and up to 80% in advance. But there is no money and no first minister can do anything while the Central Bank remains independent.
                  1. +1
                    May 1, 2018 09:51
                    Quote: Igor V
                    Only the Central Bank has the right to issue money.
                    He gives this money to other banks at a refinancing rate. The rate is high, but there is little money, since the Central Bank does not want to print it (see article). Banks, receiving money at high interest rates, do not want to work with industry - it is long, tedious and the result is risky. It’s easier to work with the population - the return begins immediately, there are no risks, the vast majority of them pay off their loans. It turns out there is no money for industry. To support strategic industries, state corporations were created, which, in fact, operate on socialist principles - the budget finances production interest-free, and up to 80% in advance. But there is no money and no first minister can do anything while the Central Bank remains independent.

                    You are confusing warm with soft. The Central Bank is NOT obliged to engage in lending to the economy and industry. This is not its function at all. He has his own duties and powers issued to fulfill these same duties. I am already tired of explaining why the Central Bank should not obey the government. Short. So that the government does not cover up its stupidity by shaking out the money supply from the Central Bank. That's all. The Ministry of Finance should achieve an increase in the budget through economic growth, and not by turning on the machine or Central Bank loans. So these lazy people will stop working completely.
                    And the Central Bank has nothing to do with industry. It’s interesting what you’re doing. Sber is angry, but the claims are against the Central Bank.
                    Finally, understand that the Central Bank is NOT a bank in the direct sense of the word. This is essentially a federal executive body. With its own characteristics, of course, but nevertheless it is so.
                    1. +1
                      1 May 2018 12:41
                      The Central Bank is not an executive body, but an independent organization.
                      And no one connects the Central Bank with industry.
                      A toothpick was released in the country - the Central Bank has the right to introduce a penny into circulation. But he doesn't want to. And the shortage of money does not allow us to have industry and the notorious small business in the country. Only the one that is applied to individuals. But people's financial capabilities are limited. This is a system that needs to be changed; the country will not be satisfied with state corporations alone.
                      1. 0
                        1 May 2018 15:10
                        Quote: Igor V
                        The Central Bank is not an executive authority

                        I’m too lazy to look for court decisions now, but believe me, the courts adhere to this position.
                        In terms of its functions, rights and powers, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is a Federal executive body.
      3. 0
        3 May 2018 16:37
        Tell me a similar tale about the dollar? The ruble, by the way, is also a dollar (and the euro and the yuan....), so: money is the equivalent of commodity exchange in the past. Now Money is 50% information, cryptocurrency is the first step towards the transition to these schemes, and chicken can not only be raised here, but also exchanged for oil, which is what we did in the 90s! The world financial system is an exchange system (fraud) and therefore the laws of the market for certain countries are written in the IMF - it also determines the general monetary base for the countries subject to it! So about chicken, this is 1985, a political economy course. There is no socialist system, the bad boys betrayed it!
    2. +1
      1 May 2018 20:35
      Grandfathers told me that this was the case under the Soviets. The salary of the plant director was no more than 5 worker salaries...
      Quote: iv-nord
      Print money and increase salaries and pensions.
      I am an unemployed pensioner and will spend the money in my country, and this is a plus for manufacturers of products and goods. Or maybe tie the salaries of Duma deputies, ministers and government officials to the size of pensions? For example 1 to 5 or 1 to 10? 50,000 - 100,000 rub. decent salary.
      1. 0
        1 May 2018 20:45
        Quote: Vanko
        The salary of the plant director was no more than 5 worker salaries...

        In conditions of commodity shortages (and they did exist in the USSR), not everything was determined by wages themselves.
        In order to spend it “sensibly”, we needed communications (blat which).
        Who do you think had more such connections - the worker or the director?
        I will tactfully keep silent about the special support for the party nomenklatura (and the director of anything more or less significant could not be non-party. By definition).
        * refers to the 70s and onwards, before - I don’t know, I wasn’t present, or, due to the shortness of years, I don’t remember request
    3. 0
      4 May 2018 14:08
      Quote: iv-nord
      Print money and increase salaries and pensions.
      I am an unemployed pensioner and will spend the money in my country, and this is a plus for manufacturers of products and goods. Or maybe tie the salaries of Duma deputies, ministers and government officials to the size of pensions? For example 1 to 5 or 1 to 10? 50,000 - 100,000 rub. decent salary.

      1 to 1 will be fair for these “actors”!
      Schaub did not break away from the people...
  5. +6
    30 April 2018 06:03
    Work, work and work... as the great Lenin bequeathed and the Communist Party teaches! wink
    1. +4
      30 April 2018 06:54
      Welcome Marina love
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Work, work and work... as the great Lenin bequeathed

      bully This is not a trend for communists now! wink
      1. +5
        30 April 2018 06:57
        Hello, Sergey! love
        Quote: Serg65
        This is not a trend for communists now!

        It’s a trend or a trend for them, but with us you can’t trample or you can shovel... wink
        1. +2
          30 April 2018 07:09
          Oh, your truth, my soul! yes
    2. +28
      30 April 2018 07:19
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Work, work and work... as the great Lenin bequeathed and the Communist Party teaches! wink

      You are trying to make caustic jokes about the communists, but it was in the USSR that the entire people first had a full-fledged pension, which was half the average salary of a worker for the last two or any five years of working life, the retirement age was 60 years for men and 55 years for women.
      We must remember that in those days the state subsidized low prices for bread, milk, utilities, public transport and movie tickets. Medical services were also provided free of charge. Since, in addition, pensioners did not have to spend money on children and acquiring durable items (furniture, televisions and refrigerators served in Soviet families for decades), they often turned out to be better off than adult children.

      Today in Russia there is a movement in the opposite direction, the liberal government is constantly encroaching on the conquest of socialism. Not only does the average pensioner spend his entire pension on rent and medicine, but they also want to cancel this meager pension before the age of 65!
      1. +4
        April 30, 2018 07:34
        Quote: Stas157
        Not only does the average pensioner spend his entire pension on rent and medicine, but they also want to cancel this meager pension before the age of 65!

        oh well... my mom’s pension is bigger than my salary...
        1. +1
          1 May 2018 20:42
          Quote: Masya Masya
          Quote: Stas157
          Not only does the average pensioner spend his entire pension on rent and medicine, but they also want to cancel this meager pension before the age of 65!

          oh well... my mom’s pension is bigger than my salary...


          Apparently your salary is very small... Or your mother is very well-deserved) My pension is 15 thousand..
      2. +7
        30 April 2018 07:46
        Quote: Stas157
        the liberal government is constantly attempting to conquer socialism

        Stas, maybe you’ll already be brave and tell all Russians... Dear Russians, we communists, in pursuit of rags and a beautiful life, could not resist temptation and did not preserve the gains of socialism!
        we must remember that in those days the state subsidized low prices

        Those. Comrade Stas, you have now proven with your own hands that the Soviet economy without subsidies was unable to keep prices low for everything you listed!
        Quote: Stas157
        It was in the USSR that the entire people first had a full-fledged pension

        A-ya-ay, what a shame! A?
        So, quickly...
        Pensions have begun to be paid in full:
        France-1910
        Chile-1928
        USA - 1935
        Malaysia - 1951
        USSR - 1956
        At the same time, my grandmother, having worked on the collective farm for 24 years, received a pension of 30 rubles. THIRTY RUBLES Stas!!!!!
        And my mother, in order to receive a pension of 100 rubles, worked as a nurse for 4 years at 2.5 rates!
        Quote: Stas157
        They also want to cancel this miserable pension until the age of 65!

        So there was no need to start perestroika in 1985; look, people would have given birth to children in the 90s!
        1. +12
          30 April 2018 09:33
          Quote: Serg65
          A-ya-ay, what a shame!
          A? So, in a hurry...
          Pensions began to be paid in full:
          France - 1910,
          Chile - 1928,
          USA - 1935,
          Malaysia - 1951,
          USSR - 1956 .

          Are you deliberately exaggerating? You yourself just wrote that in Russia the people got pensions in 1956! What confused you about my statement:
          Quote: Stas157
          It was in the USSR that the entire people first had a full-fledged pension


          Quote: Serg65
          At the same time, my grandmother, having worked on the collective farm for 24 years, received a pension of 30 rubles. THIRTY RUBLES Stas!!!!!

          Since the pension was half a salary or 120 rubles, this means your grandmother’s salary was 60 rubles. My parents had salaries of 350 rubles for my father and 250 for my mother. That is, in the USSR they would receive a pension of 120 rubles, and this is much more than what they receive now.
          1. +3
            April 30, 2018 09:55
            Quote: Stas157
            It was in the USSR that the entire people first had a full-fledged pension

            Yeah... not even half a century has passed wink
            And, yes - about “everyone has a full-fledged one” you... got excited, as usual.
            Quote: Stas157
            this is much more than how much they get right now

            Staseg, please tell me - why are almost all of the agitators “for everything good” so profoundly illiterate? It seems that the Unified State Exam did not affect you, and your parents did not work as janitors.
            Strange, right? wink
          2. +3
            April 30, 2018 10:33
            Quote: Stas157
            in Russia, people got pensions in 1956

            Stas, as I understand it, in other countries only bourgeois people receive pensions???
            Quote: Stas157
            It was in the USSR that the entire people first had a full-fledged pension

            This is what confused me!!!!!
            And where am I distorting?
            In 1987, at the expense of the USSR Navy, I had the opportunity to visit the island. Syros (Greece), you know what really surprised me? What surprised me was that a Greek worker from a local SRZ has two dilemmas after a hard day...go to the gym or go to the cafe! Not to collect Colorado beetles at the dacha, not to go on an extra scavenger hunt, not to the store, where after standing in line for just an hour, you can snatch a kilo of butter - and relax after a hard day!
            Quote: Stas157
            My parents had salaries of 350 rubles for my father and 250 for my mother.

            Your parents had a great salary, I'll tell you! With an average salary in the USSR of 217 rubles. really great salary! My mother works st. as a surgical nurse she received 110 rubles, and her father, a cabinetmaker of the 5th category, received 180 rubles, an engineer after 10 years of experience received 160 rubles, a doctor received 150 rubles, and a sailor of the 1st class received 110 rubles! What an interesting range of salaries, isn’t it?
            1. +2
              April 30, 2018 12:12
              Well, the myth about universal equalization in the USSR has been dispelled laughing
              1. +3
                30 April 2018 12:32
                Quote: KERMET
                Well, the myth about universal equalization in the USSR has been dispelled laughing

                The myth of equalization is not about salaries wink
                In those days there was a saying...a dog was flying and fell into a swamp, what a salary - such a job!
                Those. Whatever you work or drive an ox, you will get the same amount!
                1. 0
                  30 April 2018 13:12
                  Well, you yourself wrote about the dispersion of salaries, where is the sameness here? Let me be clear:
                  The myth about equalization is not about salaries wink...
                  That is. Whatever you work or drive an ox, you will get the same amount!
                  1. +3
                    30 April 2018 13:47
                    Quote: KERMET
                    Well, you yourself wrote about the spread of salaries

                    The salary range is really strange and interesting!
                    But I’m actually talking about equalization, that’s from a different story wink . Equalization was associated with the approach to work, i.e. Let’s say you work hard for 8 hours, I work for 3 hours at most, and spend the remaining 5 hours working hard, but you and I get the same amount of money! After a while, seeing such a result, you also begin to hack! In 1985, Gorbachev tried to fight this by introducing a brigade contract, KTU, but these innovations came up against the attitude of the authorities towards favorites and unfavorites wassat
                    1. +2
                      30 April 2018 13:59
                      Believe it or not, the USSR has nothing to do with it, I work in production
                      (shift and continuous) this is the favorite expression of the workers, that they say that he works alone, and in the rest of the shifts they drive the bulldozerwink
                      1. +2
                        30 April 2018 14:16
                        Quote: KERMET
                        Believe it or not, the USSR has nothing to do with it

                        laughing My friend, we all come from there, even those who were born in the 90s! There were both good and bad things under the Union; we shouldn’t forget about this when they try to present the history of the USSR one-sidedly! hi
                    2. +1
                      30 April 2018 22:24
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Quote: KERMET
                      Well, you yourself wrote about the spread of salaries

                      The salary range is really strange and interesting!
                      But I’m actually talking about equalization, that’s from a different story wink . Equalization was associated with the approach to work, i.e. Let’s say you work hard for 8 hours, I work for 3 hours at most, and spend the remaining 5 hours working hard, but you and I get the same amount of money! After a while, seeing such a result, you also begin to hack! In 1985, Gorbachev tried to fight this by introducing a brigade contract, KTU, but these innovations came up against the attitude of the authorities towards favorites and unfavorites wassat

                      Come on guys, be serious! Gorbachev and KTU. laughing There was KTU without the hunchback, and there was a brigade contract, there were even cross-cutting brigades, there were RZO brigades. Gorbaty introduced self-financing and allowed (Minister of Finance Pavlov) to transfer non-cash payments into cash. That's when the problems in the economy began.
            2. +3
              30 April 2018 14:58
              Quote: Serg65
              Stas, as I understand it, in other countries only bourgeois people receive pensions???

              I wrote that in Russia all people began to receive a full pension only in the USSR! What does this have to do with other countries?? Other countries somehow cancel my statement?!
              Quote: Serg65
              Your parents had a great salary, I'll tell you! With an average salary in the USSR of 217 rubles. really great salary!

              Yes, ordinary! My father worked as a radio engineer in the defense industry (in the 90s they made Topol), my mother was a radio traffic controller there.
              1. +2
                May 1, 2018 06:30
                Quote: Stas157
                I wrote that in Russia all people began to receive a full pension only in the USSR!

                Stas, your words are verbatim.....
                Quote: Stas157
                It was in the USSR that the entire people first had a full-fledged pension

                There are 8 words in your quote, which one represents Russia?
                Quote: Stas157
                Yes, ordinary!

                My friend, the usual salary was 150-180 rubles! Your parents worked in the defense industry, where salaries were much higher, which does not detract from the merits of your parents, honor and praise to them!
                1. +3
                  May 1, 2018 07:38
                  Quote: Serg65
                  There are 8 words in your quote, which one represents Russia?

                  Isn't the USSR Russia? Like Golovan, you are already digging into every word!
                  1. +1
                    May 1, 2018 07:43
                    Quote: Stas157
                    like Golovan you get to the bottom of every word

                    I'll get to the bottom of it for you right now am
                    1. +4
                      May 1, 2018 07:46
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      I'll get to the bottom of it for you right now

                      Cheers to your health! Without you it’s like being in the rain without an umbrella.
                      1. 0
                        May 1, 2018 07:50
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Without you it’s like being in the rain without an umbrella

                        Then - figs... walk around wet and disgusting, then lie about "budgetnikoff with balls."
                        My four friends - some at dachas, some at barbecues... and not a single ball, despite the fact that all of them are “state employees”.
                        It probably happened by chance wink
                      2. +3
                        May 1, 2018 09:49
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        My four friends - some at dachas, some at barbecues... and not a single ball, despite the fact that all of them are “state employees”.

                        At my wife’s, the head of the clinic announced to everyone: “Everyone is required to go to the demonstration and with balloons!” I don't think this is her personal initiative. Most likely an order came from the Ministry of Health. So she didn’t go to participate in this circus.
    3. +6
      April 30, 2018 11:17
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Work, work and work... as the great Lenin bequeathed and the Communist Party teaches!

      Actually, Lenin bequeathed to study, study and study.
      But it’s well said about the work of the state:
      Recently, our state's revenues have decreased. After the air tax was introduced, you began to breathe less. It's outrageous!
      1. +1
        April 30, 2018 11:22
        Quote: naidas

        Actually, Lenin bequeathed to study, study and study.

        I'm aware... study, study and study... in order to work well!!! wink
    4. +3
      30 April 2018 21:10
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Work, work and work... as the great Lenin bequeathed and the Communist Party teaches

      Steal and take back what was stolen! - Edro’s party now teaches. laughing laughing
  6. +5
    30 April 2018 06:03
    Hmmm...
    Blood, sand, droppings and girlish tears. I'm talking about the article, if anything.
    In 2007, the level of monetization of the Russian economy was about 35%

    Did the author fall asleep 10 years ago? And in 2013 - 43%. And what?
    in countries comparable to Russia, the level of monetization is much higher: China - 201%, Canada - 162%, Japan - 124%, USA - 71%, India - 71

    Is it the USA - “comparable to the Russian Federation”? By what signs, may I ask?
    Japan, China - “comparable”? Author, wake up, you are fascinated stop
    The icon of liberal economists Friedman...

    ... and further - a prayer to Friedman. Why did it happen? belay
    All in all, TWO. But attendance will definitely ensure laughing
    1. +3
      30 April 2018 07:08
      hi Hello Roma!
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      Did the author fall asleep 10 years ago?

      I started reading and realized that this was a call for matins for sextants from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and their sympathizers!
      One thing is interesting to me, notice how much modern agitators have shredded themselves internally! According to my observation, they focus on pensioners and managers of large companies suffering from excess money, i.e. initially a losing option, hence the meager percentage in the elections! Instead of putting money into accounts, Zyuganov should open courses for agitators laughing
      1. +2
        30 April 2018 07:16
        Sergey, hi
        Quote: Serg65
        ...matins for sextants...

        1. +5
          30 April 2018 09:48
          Sextant
          1 - zenith distance;


          2 — zenith height 90°; 3 - large mirror; 4 — telescope; 5 - limb; 6 - alidade; 7—small mirror; 8 - height. In the navy they say SEXTAN
    2. 0
      30 April 2018 14:08
      with a minus!!!
  7. +13
    30 April 2018 06:50
    Good article, thanks...
  8. +1
    30 April 2018 07:06
    If we discard the feuilleton jungle, then the author proposes (hints) to print +2/3 of cash and raise the standard of living...wassat ...It would be better if, instead of Shchors, the author remembered the opuses of Pavlov and Gerashchenko, the denomination.
    1. +2
      30 April 2018 07:50
      About the denomination - wait. Will.
      1. +2
        30 April 2018 10:22
        Quote: genko
        About the denomination - wait. Will.

        Well, they will remove a couple of zeros from the banknotes. It's OK. Accounting is easier...
        In addition, the dollar will cost not 62 rubles, but 62 kopecks, just like in the days of my Soviet youth. Beauty!
    2. +4
      April 30, 2018 11:50
      Quote: samarin1969
      It would be better if, instead of Shchors, the author remembered the opuses of Pavlov and Gerashchenko, the denomination.
      Konstantin, why didn’t Shchors please you?
      1. +3
        30 April 2018 14:09
        Quote: sabakina
        Quote: samarin1969
        It would be better if, instead of Shchors, the author remembered the opuses of Pavlov and Gerashchenko, the denomination.
        Konstantin, why didn’t Shchors please you?
        ....Instead of “Shchorsa, now there are guys from the “Brigade” ... And all these characters will not answer the question of the article - where to get money for a “decent standard of living”.
  9. +2
    30 April 2018 07:22
    they don't have much time left..... "Russia will wake up from its sleep"
  10. +15
    30 April 2018 07:36
    Strange things are happening in Russia... for example, the rate of inflation strangely coincided until recently with the size of the Central Bank discount rate... Or the cost of a barrel of oil in rubles strangely did not change despite fluctuations in the value of the currency... again until recently. .. or as soon as the GDP promised 10,000,000,000,000 for social services... the ruble began to fall despite the fact that oil began to rise in price... Lord, your deeds are wonderful in the field of finance on one sixth of the land...
  11. +3
    April 30, 2018 07:40
    All this is good. But I'll go and get some work.
    1. +1
      April 30, 2018 11:37
      Quote: Korsar4
      All this is good. But I'll go and get some work.

      I wonder if you went to taxi or trade?
      1. 0
        30 April 2018 12:23
        You guessed wrong. Neither one nor the other.
  12. +14
    30 April 2018 08:16
    As of April 20 of this year, the international reserves of the Russian Federation amount to 463.8 billion US dollars
    .
    ...I read on the Internet that approximately the same amount was exported abroad...And it’s true, where does the money come from...
  13. +1
    April 30, 2018 11:17
    You can use Kerenki, whole footcloths. To do this, rob the local history museum. But it’s better to catch up with the best economists and ministers according to Forbes. And dispossess the particularly greedy ones from this magazine list (but I’m already daydreaming about that).
    1. 0
      May 1, 2018 11:59
      You can take away businesses (along with all the hassle), but not cash.
  14. +3
    April 30, 2018 11:35
    I liked about Shchers...At 23 years old...Today, as I see, at 40 years old they can’t even “control” themselves, as Woland said.
    1. +1
      April 30, 2018 11:54
      P.S. I forgot to add, Arkady Gaidar commanded a regiment at the age of 16.
      1. +1
        30 April 2018 17:15
        Quote: sabakina
        I forgot to add, Arkady Gaidar commanded a regiment at the age of 16.

        Well, he “commanded”. That even in Khakassia they scare children with it...
        1. 0
          May 4, 2018 11:47
          Quote: Albert
          Well, he “commanded”. That even in Khakassia they scare children with it...

          Are you serious? Do you know for sure? Where? Or are you simply reproducing a common liberal cliche?
  15. +1
    30 April 2018 13:23
    Cheap money has run out, there is a flow from abroad
    , but there are still great financiers
    who will come up with something)
  16. +1
    30 April 2018 14:07
    5 ruble banknotes have been withdrawn from circulation

    Colleagues!!!! At least post a photo of what it looked like!!!!! Otherwise, I seem to live in Russia and haven’t left for a long time, but I don’t remember such a rarity!!!!!
    1. +3
      30 April 2018 18:20
      Quote: d^Amir
      5 ruble banknotes have been withdrawn from circulation

      Colleagues!!!! At least post a photo of what it looked like!!!!! Otherwise, I seem to live in Russia and haven’t left for a long time, but I don’t remember such a rarity!!!!!

      Probably these:


      http://fotoartefakt.ru/banknota5rubley1997goda.ht
      m
      1. +2
        30 April 2018 18:48
        THANK YOU GOOD PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!hi didn’t let me die without knowing.....were they in circulation????
        1. +2
          30 April 2018 19:01
          Quote: d^Amir
          THANK YOU GOOD PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!hi didn’t let me die without knowing.....were they in circulation????

          I think there were. At least the bill in the photo didn’t cause me any confusion. There was even a feeling of recognition. And even vague suspicions that if you delve into my archive... winked
          I'll have to check it out at my leisure. Otherwise, the article says that they are now in demand among numismatists.
          1. +1
            30 April 2018 19:27
            I've never even seen it!!!! I didn’t even suspect that there were 5 rubles in the form of a banknote.. so THANK YOU!!!!

            and check for numismatic interest... what if!!!!
            1. +2
              30 April 2018 19:45
              Quote: d^Amir
              and did not suspect the presence of 5 rubles in the form of a banknote..!!!!

              We were reminded of an old Soviet joke about a Georgian in Sochi who was asked for change from a hundred-ruble bill, to which they received the answer: “What, are there really bills less than 100 rubles?” laughing

              But seriously. The five ruble banknote appeared after the denomination of 1000 times in 1997. https://ria.ru/spravka/20170804/1499605988.html
              “For the convenience of the population and to ensure a smooth transition to new banknotes, their appearance has been largely preserved, although the denomination has been reduced by 1000 times and additional security elements have been introduced.
              They contained images of Novgorod (5 rubles), Krasnoyarsk (10 rubles), St. Petersburg (50 rubles), Moscow (100 rubles) and Arkhangelsk (500 rubles). In 2001, a 1000 ruble banknote of the 1997 model (with a view of Yaroslavl) was put into circulation, and in 2006 - a 5000 ruble banknote of the 1997 model (with a view of Khabarovsk)."
  17. 0
    30 April 2018 15:22
    Serg65 ,
    I’m just talking about this, there were pros, there were also cons that needed to be corrected (there is no ideal system), it’s just that some cliches and myths are passed off as 100%
  18. 0
    30 April 2018 16:48
    And now go on stage to Comrade VVP’s machine gun! Will he be able to do this? After all, in addition to the economic bloc, we still have uncontrollable bourgeoisie! And the whole class of officials who are thieves? We need to start the class struggle, but how can we start it without a machine gun? They say Comrade VVP is a wrestling master? So let's see - a master, or still a craftsman?
    1. 0
      May 1, 2018 09:39
      Quote: sib.ataman
      And now go on stage to Comrade VVP’s machine gun!

      GDP will not be able to do anything with the true owner of our country - the owner of the Central Bank
  19. +6
    30 April 2018 16:56
    Quote: True
    Quote: Stas157
    Jack Golovan, first of all you are misleading people, clinging to every letter, replacing the real meaning with a formality... And at the same time insulting your interlocutor!

    Yes, he's just a man at work.


    Very noticeable! The benefit of this work is imperceptible!
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      30 April 2018 17:00
      Quote: sib.ataman
      Very noticeable! The benefit of this work is imperceptible!

      This... be careful, I'm touchy stop
      As for staseg and falsehoods - well, I love trolls... I feed on them laughing
      1. +3
        30 April 2018 17:06
        It's not good to eat human flesh! Trolls are people too, they just think differently!
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          30 April 2018 17:18
          Quote: sib.ataman
          It's not good to eat human flesh

          I didn't express myself accurately. I don't eat them, I just bite them and spit them out.
          Quote: sib.ataman
          Trolls are people too, they just think differently

          The first is debatable, the second is definitely not. They have nothing to think with, the holy manual replaces their brain request
          1. +3
            30 April 2018 17:48
            Being bitten and spat on is also not good! Regarding brains, everyone has them, even the very diehards! But how are they managed? The matter is purely personal. How does the process of development of modern society show that it is simply mediocre? In general, it’s not clear why they were given to a person?!
            1. +1
              30 April 2018 17:57
              Quote: sib.ataman
              Being bitten and spat on is also not good

              Fine. He’ll sit quietly for a while... he’ll steam in the bathhouse, get wet, wash himself off... you’ll see, and he’ll remember -
              Quote: sib.ataman
              why are they given to man?

              It's about brains, if anything yes
              PS: and not “spitted on”, but “spitted out” anyway.
              1. +2
                30 April 2018 18:22
                The free man has his way, but the lousy man has a bath - that’s what people usually believe! That's it, the children's time for discussion is over, I'm going to bed!
  20. +2
    30 April 2018 18:35
    About Shchors - delight! And now the military-industrial complex and the army need to do this: they stopped funding the Nizhny Tagil tank plant: they drove up in tanks to the tank, the prosecutors and the judges... And for the sake of warning, just as the liberals fired at the White House, they also fired at these bastards: Fire!
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      1 May 2018 12:08
      It looks like the moderator agrees with you.
  21. +3
    30 April 2018 19:54
    Government resign! No need to jump! It's too late! Putin took everything under his control! Respect to him! We sit further in the kitchen and smoke! We live in Ukraine and Syria! We don't have any problems!
  22. +1
    30 April 2018 21:07
    And Poligrafych would suggest printing not rubles, but dollars...
    Damn, they’re cheap and unsecured...
    And we ourselves will live, and our sworn partner will be “joyed”...
    Just create ten clones of each bill, then poison anyone from the Central Bank ( Na.bulina), and blame it all on overseas friends.
  23. +4
    30 April 2018 22:36
    Personalities do not decide anything in the currency management of a country's monetary system.
    The same Nabiulina will work normally if a federal law is adopted (following the example of the USA) that the maximum rate on loans should not exceed (under criminal liability) half of the annual GDP growth for the previous year; if the right to issue and revoke licenses for credit institutions will be transferred to Rosfinmonitoring (in the USA, this work is carried out by the financial controller’s service); if operations on securities and financial markets are transferred to the Accounts Chamber of the State Duma (again, by analogy with the USA). It’s in vain that we scold them for serving the Americans; they haven’t learned anything from them over the years. You can have no less rubles than dollars, especially since the Americans don’t sell us much for dollars.
  24. +6
    30 April 2018 22:51
    Laughed heartily!good good good
    To the author Only as long as the current-future President is in power, there will be all the same “faces” at the trough that were with the “previous” President, with possible personnel adjustments based on the principle of the game of the gopniks of the 90s, “three thimbles.”wassat Condition of the game: find the “ball” (the removed official) under another highly paid “roof” (thimble). Such is the karma of the current President.fellow It's like twins: one is nowhere without the other.lol
    They chose a “new” President, and they also chose the new-old Presidential Guard. Well, in general, everyone knows that the authorities don’t hand over their own people. Principles can only change under Shores' machine gun, but he is far away.
  25. +1
    May 1, 2018 09:34
    It’s a pity that our brilliant financial specialists work as hairdressers and taxi drivers.
  26. +3
    1 May 2018 10:36
    Who should be sent where? How will they resign themselves or move away from the trough when they put so much effort and people into it while they were eager for it, sold their souls and trampled all their human dignity. And who said that this is a pro-Russian, state and people's government? In power and at the sources of funds are the same people (whether they are people is a question) who killed the country, carried out genocide of their people (if anyone still remembers the words of the redhead), plundered and sold our centuries-old common heritage, scattered lands abundantly watered with Russian blood , piece by piece collected by the previous great Russian statesmen, so hated by the current princelings. In particular, I very much doubt that this is our government, which continues to sell off the country, slowly and more sophisticatedly kill it to please its global master, whom they serve faithfully, despite the fact that he whips them with batogs. There has always been, is and will be a contemptuous and dismissive attitude towards traitors who betrayed their ideals to their people, all without exception. We, who destroyed our country, are not despised by all our achievements and are not kicked only by distant wild tribes; probably, those who have fallen even lower than us are especially sophisticated. The most offensive thing is that this happened without struggle and battles, but through the fault of a handful of partocrats-traitors, who lost all their ideals on the way to the heights of power and were mired in banal philistinism, and not an external enemy, their own so-called. The liberal elite is the main enemy, destroying the country and its people, it has not gone anywhere, it is still doing its business to ensure the robbery of the country, unprecedented in the history of mankind. In an endless series of various forums completely useless for the state. or rather its remnants, the division and robbery of the country continues with smart people, they are deciding how to protect the ghouls businessmen from unnecessary taxes, but to get money, and for this there are silent and powerless people, subject to all conceivable and inconceivable taxes and fees such as for major repairs or resort fees , this is from people who can barely make ends meet.
  27. 0
    1 May 2018 18:38
    Quote: iv-nord
    Or maybe tie the salaries of Duma deputies, ministers and government officials to the size of pensions? For example 1 to 5 or 1 to 10? 50,000 - 100,000 rub. decent salary.

    I think that the state simply doesn’t give a damn about pensioners. Well, it doesn’t need disabled people in principle. And raising the retirement age? Who will keep/hire a person over 60? Nowadays, it’s difficult for a 45-year-old to find a job. In general, the regime is slowly living on its own .Previously, they constantly branded the decaying West, but it turns out they live much better there. Is it any wonder that people want to leave this country? Well, nothing, says the Leader of the nation, but we will bring in migrants - they will sweep our yards, take out the garbage and build houses. And in 50 years it will turn out that half of the population consists of Chinese and Tajiks who do not pay taxes and receive pensions and subsidies. And they also study and are treated for free and receive maternity capital
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  31. 0
    2 May 2018 22:19
    Quote: Varyag77

    You see.
    You can't just print money. The author here simply does not understand or is outright lying. A money supply that is not backed by the same volume of goods (services) inevitably depreciates. You have 100 rubles.
    you bought a chicken for a hundred rubles. 10 people have 100 rubles each. They bought 10 chickens. Suddenly you have 200 rubles. And 10 people got 200 rubles each. Do you think you bought 2 chickens, and all 10 bought 20 chickens? No, my dear. You bought the same 10 chickens because, unlike the money, there were no more chickens. And then the chicken seller said..hmm..so he has 200 rubles. I have only one chicken. I'll raise the price. the path now pays 200 rubles. If he doesn't want to, don't buy it. And you buy for 200 rubles. where will you go? But in order for you to buy 2 chickens for 200 rubles, you need to raise and develop the agricultural sector, increasing productivity and reducing production costs, so that they have 2 chickens, each at a price of 100 rubles. Then they can give you not 100 rubles, but 200. This is how it works.
    Very simple. Therefore, you cannot simply increase the money supply. It should ALWAYS be equivalent to the volume of goods. ALWAYS. This is an example, so to speak.


    Sorry, but this primitive scheme has not worked for a long time. Because it is fair only in relation to REAL money. Which currently do not exist in Russia, since the so-called ruble became convertible. Therefore, its exchange rate is determined not by the volume of goods and services, but by games on currency exchanges.
  32. 0
    2 May 2018 22:25
    Quote: Serg65

    At the same time, my grandmother, having worked on the collective farm for 24 years, received a pension of 30 rubles. THIRTY RUBLES Stas!!!!!


    Not saying anything is the same as lying. Collective farmers had the right to choose. Either the pension you specified + an additional plot of land to the 15 acres allocated in the village, or a working pension without an additional plot.
  33. 0
    May 3, 2018 08:16
    There is no need to look for money in Russia, it has flowed, is flowing and will flow abroad
  34. 0
    May 3, 2018 11:53
    If there were no money in the country, our colonels from the “police” would not steal billions, and colonels from the Russian Defense Ministry would not steal hundreds of millions.
  35. 0
    3 May 2018 15:38
    No, he won't find it. In order to find you have to search. Or rather, learn, educate and also need to according to the profile. This is what needs to be done. It’s much easier to appoint one of your own, even if it’s stupid, it’s your own. It is easier to manage a non-specialist, because he is not in the know, but he obediently follows commands. He covers up his worthlessness with diligence.
  36. 0
    3 May 2018 16:28
    Fantasies, fantasies, fantasies.... But things are still there. And I remember the rule: Tell me who your friend is, and I will tell you who you are!
  37. 0
    3 May 2018 17:24
    It is possible and NEEDED to destroy the financial system imposed on us after 1991, and create a new independent financial system similar to Stalin’s.
    And there is still a lot to do.
    Return all the state’s savings that lie dead weight (for Russia) abroad, begin to return what is still possible based on the results of loans-for-shares auctions, ask the oligarchs to leave the country, etc. Never mind, soon Putin will tell us everything about how he will deal with the rise of the country. We are looking forward to beneficial changes! Or ....
  38. 0
    3 May 2018 21:59
    Money in a normal society appears after goods.
    This is done like this: 1. the company is provided with a loan from the funds of investors who have invested trillions in banks. With the help of this loan, products are produced. Without credit, many industries physically cannot operate (agriculture, fishing, forestry and many other seasonal industries or industries with a long production cycle; 2. A person is provided with a loan for the purchase of property that has already been produced. This is called credit emission, which is possible only with the bank interest rate is lower than the rate of profit in the first case, lower than the growth rate of household income in the second. Money is not “printed”; it appears only when the bank assumes a monetary obligation. And only in this case there will be no inflation, because when. there is no money in the country and domestic demand is declining and the economy is going into a tailspin, then this is not inflation, but a well-organized crisis. The most amazing thing is that the descendants of the Leningrad siege survivors, who were dying of hunger, are creating “safety cushions” not in the form of strategic reserves of grain, oil products, timber, but by selling them for the “money” of countries that declared us their opponents and prohibited us from selling their goods for this money. Having a hundred billion dollars to buy goods worth seven billion a year is a burglary bungling - blatant stupidity.
  39. 0
    4 May 2018 22:02
    We have money - we have no mind... (c) cat Matroskin. PRICE.

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