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Floating nuclear power plant - the most important project for the Russian North

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The first in Russia and the world floating NPP "Akademik Lomonosov" on Saturday went from St. Petersburg to Murmansk, and then - to the port of Pevek on the north coast of Chukotka, reports Look.


Floating nuclear power plant - the most important project for the Russian North


From 2020, the floating nuclear thermal power plant (FNPP, or "buoy", as such stations are called atomists) will start supplying light and heat to the inhabitants of Chukotka.

Reactor installations of such FNPP can produce up to 70 megawatts of electricity and provide light and heat to a city with a population of over 200 thousand people.

It is assumed that the floating nuclear power plant, like "Akademik Lomonosov", will be able to provide electricity and port cities, and Arctic gas and oil platforms for 35-40 years.

A reasonable question arises - how much more profitable is it than the traditional “northern delivery”.

Anyone who has come across what it is to deliver diesel fuel via the Northern Delivery and what the price of this electricity goes to then understands that many fields and cities in the North do not develop because they do not have access to a cheap and efficient energy source.
said the former head of Rosatom, and now the first deputy head of the presidential administration, Sergei Kiriyenko.

“Judging by last year’s study of the Center for Energy Efficiency (CENEf), electricity tariffs in the northern regions of 15 reach 20 – 237 rubles per kilowatt-hour, 5 – 55 times higher than the average in Russia. This is critical for those areas of the North where there are no coal or gas deposits nearby. On the other hand, nuclear scientists insist: the cost of electricity at the floating nuclear power plant is approximately equal to the wholesale price of electricity in central Russia. It turns out that the advantages are obvious, ”the newspaper writes.

According to the director of the Institute for Energy Problems and a member of the Nuclear Society of the Russian Federation, Bulat Nigmatulin, “the first document on the“ buoyancy ”was signed in 2001 year”. Designed and built the station for a long time.

In 2010, they promised to put it in two years and put it into operation in 2013, then they moved it three years later. Now, the start date is called 2020 year
said Nigmatulin.

But, thank God, now the "buoy" will go. Once it is built - now we need to show its implementation in order to then offer something abroad,
added on.

Earlier it was reported that floating nuclear power plants have already become interested in 20 countries.
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  1. PN
    PN April 29 2018 09: 28
    +2
    It was the third decade ...
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 29 2018 09: 31
      +14
      Quote: PN
      It was the third decade ...


      Your sarcasm is understandable ... but I would not want to receive mobile Chernobyl or Fukushima in the end ..
      no one has built analogs before us, and in the long run it will not be expected ..
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter April 29 2018 09: 36
        +17
        Sasha hi Haste is not appropriate with projects of this magnitude: measure seven times - cut once. I’m wondering how the West will react to the emergence of the FNPP in Russia? I won’t be surprised if the mattresses testify that the FNPP is the base for the Russian railgun. belay
        1. CAT BAIYUN
          CAT BAIYUN April 29 2018 15: 49
          +4
          I welcome Pasha hi
          I won’t be surprised if mattresses testify that the FNPP is the base for the Russian railgun

          It’s okay to take a howl with a railgun, ... most likely, all sorts of other devils will conquer now: ecologists, greens, defenders of the democratic rights of penguins and greenpeace ... A combined choir of star-boys will gather for the performance of the next "concert" led by the USA.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter April 30 2018 09: 46
            +2
            Vasya hi I didn’t mention about these rags because the hedgehog also understands that they will scream.
      2. PN
        PN April 29 2018 09: 38
        +13
        Analogues from the 50s under water with torpedoes and missiles go. Here the matter is no longer in the technical part, but in blah blah blah.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 29 2018 09: 43
          +10
          Quote: PN
          Analogues from the 50s under water with torpedoes and missiles go. Here the matter is no longer in the technical part, but in blah blah blah.


          You still offer RPG 7 hunters for duck or for a hare ..... a smooth-bore analogue analogue .. and for a bear 2A46 with a T72 .. also a smoothbore analogue with a larger caliber ..
          1. PN
            PN April 29 2018 09: 50
            +4
            If for you to install a ship reactor on a barge is a problem (which I have no doubt about), then for engineers and shipbuilders there isn’t.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey April 29 2018 10: 03
              +11
              Quote: PN
              If for you to install a ship reactor on a barge is a problem (which I have no doubt about), then for engineers and shipbuilders there isn’t.


              If you do not understand that this is a full-fledged nuclear power plant based on marine reactors ..
              then not everything is simple ..

              Based on the experience in the creation and operation of ship and ship reactors, Afrikantov OKBM JSC developed a number of reactor plant designs for autonomous low-power atomic energy sources in the range from 6 to 100 MW (e): ABV-6E, KLT-40S. They are intended for integrated electricity and heat supply (both domestic and industrial) of isolated consumers in remote areas that do not have centralized energy supply, with expensive long-distance fuel. In Russia, these are large settlements and ports along the Northern Sea Route and the coast of the Far East, mineral deposits, military bases; abroad - coastal areas of developing countries. The expediency of using this type of energy sources for desalination of sea water in regions with a shortage of fresh water is justified.
              The ABV-6E and KLT-40S low-power projects of low power, most ready for implementation, involve the deployment of a nuclear power plant on land and on non-self-propelled floating vehicles.
              Such a “floating power unit” (PSU) is entirely created at a shipbuilding enterprise using the mastered technology of building atomic icebreakers and naval ships. After complex tests and delivery to the customer, the safety control unit is transported to the parking lot, where it connects to the shore networks and starts working. The floating design of the power plant minimizes the volume and cost of capital construction in the area where the nuclear power plant is located. The customer receives environmentally friendly electric and thermal energy, while the issues of storage of radioactive waste, qualified maintenance of the station and decommissioning of the station after the development of the technical resource are decided by the operating organization using the existing technological base of the nuclear fleet.

              With the aim of practical demonstration of this technology, work is underway on the construction of a head PEB for the heat and power supply of Pevek city with the KLT-40S reactor installation, the prototype of which is the installation of existing nuclear ships.

              Technical solutions included in the KLT-40C RU project are provided with legal protection and today JSC "Afrikantov OKBM" is the copyright holder:

              - 4 inventions,

              - 4 utility models,

              - 26 computer programs,

              - 79 production secrets (know-how).
              1. PN
                PN April 29 2018 10: 11
                +8
                “using the mastered technology for building nuclear icebreakers and Navy ships” is a good quote, isn't it?
                If it were an orbital or lunar nuclear power plant, then with such a long time I would have agreed. But here they go along the path they have learned. Yes, this is the first floating nuclear power plant, but it was not built and designed as a super-mega new know-how, but as a modified existing one.
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey April 29 2018 10: 15
                  +10
                  Quote: PN
                  “using the mastered technology for building nuclear icebreakers and Navy ships” is a good quote, isn't it?


                  I’m not a nuclear scientist ... I don’t visually distinguish a molecule from an atom .. so it’s hard for me to argue with you - the atomic engineering guru.
                  1. PN
                    PN April 29 2018 10: 21
                    +2
                    And I do not argue, I express my opinion that the terms are very inflated.
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey April 29 2018 10: 27
                      +8
                      Quote: PN
                      And I do not argue, I express my opinion that the terms are very inflated.


                      I will return to the first comment about Chernobyl and Fukushima .. in remote areas where even the hell of a gingerbread bear honey horseradish .. and plus export prospects ... We are talking about security and reliability in the first place ..
                      1. lis-ik
                        lis-ik April 29 2018 12: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Quote: PN
                        And I do not argue, I express my opinion that the terms are very inflated.


                        I will return to the first comment about Chernobyl and Fukushima .. in remote areas where even the hell of a gingerbread bear honey horseradish .. and plus export prospects ... We are talking about security and reliability in the first place ..

                        Really, the terms are bloated. Even in the quote you quoted, it is clear that there is no fundamental difference, as I understand it, this is just a towed station. What is the know-how? Principal? Rather, it is true, as we have been told, first we report, and then we analyze reality.
                    2. Sfurei
                      Sfurei April 29 2018 23: 59
                      +2
                      I’ll tell you as a non-specialist that the terms are not very inflated. This is not an icebreaking reactor +. This is a completely different product, for completely different tasks and in a completely different performance. If it seems to you that you simply screwed pipes to the icebreaker that go to the shore with warm water, then you are greatly mistaken. For example, the NPP-2006 Project - with an increase in power generation from 1000 MW to 1200 MW - was worked out at VVER units for more than ten years before they began to build.
                  2. Logall
                    Logall April 29 2018 10: 24
                    +8
                    Sanya, you brought in your comment about 79 know-how! Okay, I didn’t read your counterpart, but you ... And each innovation is time, and in complex, dangerous projects it is a lot of time!
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey April 29 2018 10: 36
                      +4
                      Quote: Logall
                      Sanya, you brought in your comment about 79 know-how! Okay, I didn’t read your counterpart, but you ... And each innovation is time, and in complex, dangerous projects it is a lot of time!


                      I brought the lead ... but I don’t rummage about it .. but the experience of Hiroshima Fukushima and Chernobyl is alarming .. so I’m not interested how much it is being developed and built as a tradesman it’s interesting not to remain a shadow on the stone if something doesn’t work on it So.. wassat wassat Sanya drinks
                      1. _Sergei_
                        _Sergei_ April 29 2018 11: 15
                        +1
                        In Fukushima, there was an accident in which the backup sources supplying the protection system were disconnected. On Chernobyl, they themselves turned off the protection.
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon April 29 2018 10: 59
                  0
                  I remember back in Soviet times it was suggested that nuclear submarines withdrawn from the Navy be used as power plants.
                  1. VALERIK_097
                    VALERIK_097 April 29 2018 13: 20
                    +4
                    Then came capitalism and the Nanna-Lugar program, the wild dismantlement of nuclear submarines. The ships repaired by 80-90% went to needles, there was no question of converting the nuclear submarines into power plants. The ships that the amines themselves chose were used to pay for American money.
                    I can say about the PAES, it was difficult to have a child, many questions had to be addressed.
            2. max702
              max702 April 29 2018 11: 46
              +2
              Quote: PN
              If for you to install a ship reactor on a barge is a problem (which I have no doubt about), then for engineers and shipbuilders there isn’t.

              According to rumors, this project was very much hindered by those holding power. sabotage is almost open. both in terms of money and resources .. There are already so many prospects for this decision to open up for our country .. this is the main reason for long-term construction, and not as technical difficulty ..
              1. vorobey
                vorobey April 29 2018 12: 06
                +4
                Quote: max702
                According to rumors, this project was very much hindered by those holding power.


                Are there any arguments?
              2. lis-ik
                lis-ik April 29 2018 12: 41
                +1
                Quote: max702
                Quote: PN
                If for you to install a ship reactor on a barge is a problem (which I have no doubt about), then for engineers and shipbuilders there isn’t.

                According to rumors, this project was very much hindered by those holding power. sabotage is almost open. both in terms of money and resources .. There are already so many prospects for this decision to open up for our country .. this is the main reason for long-term construction, and not as technical difficulty ..

                This is much closer to reality, the superprofit of the northern delivery is lost, hence the shift in terms. I think under the new-old government, still moved.
                1. max702
                  max702 April 29 2018 13: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  the superprofit of the northern delivery is lost, hence the shift in terms. I think under the new-old government, still moved.

                  Here we say so rates MUCH more global ... And the northern delivery there is a drop in the bucket ... At stake are billions of dollars in dozens, or even hundreds .. and not rubles .. This technological solution becomes a tool of geopolitics with all the consequences .. practically anywhere in the world it is possible to organize autonomous energy of any scale, tow and connect the PAES in a couple of three months, without spending years on the development and construction of similar facilities ..
              3. svd-xnumx
                svd-xnumx April 29 2018 20: 15
                +1
                According to rumors, this project was very much hindered by those holding power. sabotage is almost open. both in terms of money and resources .. There are already so many prospects for this decision to open up for our country .. this is the main reason for long-term construction, and not as non-technical complexity.
                In 2019-2020, the Bilibino NPP will be stopped according to the plan and the PAES should come to replace it. I don’t know if the Bilibino and Pevek power lines are connected or whether wires should be pulled, and this is 300 kilometers along the tundra.
              4. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek April 29 2018 21: 52
                +1
                Quote: max702
                According to rumors, this project was very much hindered by those holding power.

                and why didn’t they slow down ???? recourse recourse but when did they start to slow down ??? what wassat laughing laughing
                1. max702
                  max702 1 May 2018 12: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                  and why didn’t they slow down ???? but when did they start to slow down ???

                  In our government, far from everything is homogeneous and unambiguous, there are forces that drown for lying under the world bourgeoisie, but there are also those who understand the futility of this decision ... That's because of this struggle in the power elite in our country there is tear and wobble in the country .. Some people make decisions, others slow them down as much as possible .. In the 90s, those who wanted to lie under the west ruled the ball (we see the results today), but at the moment the alignment of forces has changed, to the camp of those who want to rule the country on their own and have REAL weight in those who still believed that the world bourgeoisie would accept them as equals crossed the world order .. They were mistaken, but they had the best yachts, palaces and islands, the world’s miscellaneous in bunks ... But this is not enough! the most delicious is power! The real one! And not that they were slipping the world bigwigs in the form of handouts from stolen .. That's why breakthrough projects, technologies, and other profitable solutions are being hindered by all means ..
                  pc: Check out the series "Sleeping" there the picture is most elaborate on the processes that are happening in our country ..
            3. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek April 29 2018 21: 50
              +1
              Quote: PN
              If for you to install a ship reactor on a barge is a problem (which I have no doubt about), then for engineers and shipbuilders there isn’t.

              See, you - superexpert was not in the team ... so 30 years and it took !!! request wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
      3. Logall
        Logall April 29 2018 09: 41
        +10
        Quote: vorobey
        no one has built analogs before us, and in the long run it will not be expected ..

        Namesake, hi , that’s what there is to offer the world except oil and gas ...
        floating nuclear power plants are already interested in 20 countries.

        And they’ll sort it out with safety, the experience of atomic scientists is great. They are building nuclear power plants for different areas, taking into account seismic activity ... And we have what we need! They build such icebreakers, the capitalists smoke nervously ...
        1. san4es
          san4es April 29 2018 10: 08
          +5
          Quote: Logall
          , And they’ll deal with safety, the experience of atomic scientists is great, ...

          hi
          1. Logall
            Logall April 29 2018 10: 15
            +8
            Sanya, hi so this is just the beginning. Further, better! Experience, like sexual impotence, comes over the years. That's just experience, in this case, should not be the "son of errors", but an accurate calculation.
            1. san4es
              san4es April 29 2018 10: 25
              +8
              - Hi Sanya.
              Quote: Logall
              ... should not be the "son of mistakes" ...

              ... There is a "genius - friend paradox" wink
              1. Logall
                Logall April 29 2018 10: 32
                +5
                good
                It is accurate that Russia is a brilliant country - a country of paradoxes! And there are a lot of both good and bad, positive examples ... To list them, not even that the day will be short, but life will not be enough ... Every day is something new. belay
                drinks
              2. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 29 2018 10: 36
                +6
                Self-propelled nuclear power plant

                Hut, hut, turn to me in the forest, and to the backside - before ...

                Inspired for some reason request
      4. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 29 2018 10: 55
        +1
        The analogs were built by the Americans yet.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek April 29 2018 21: 53
          +1
          Quote: NordOst16
          The analogs were built by the Americans yet.

          recourse why didn’t they finish it ??? what wassat lol lol lol
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 April 29 2018 23: 01
            0
            So they completed it and worked for 7 years. Not without problems, but it worked
    2. Mestny
      Mestny April 29 2018 09: 32
      +3
      ... The dogs continued to bark.
      And the caravan stubbornly moved forward. Slowly but surely.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 29 2018 09: 45
        +4
        The peasants read about it more than once .. Our youth "Kulibins"! it Breakthrough called, such a little thing in the Far North, the city can provide electricity to 100 thousand! I’m silent about the rest ..! So far, huge, but our specialists are working on it ..
    3. Dead hand
      Dead hand April 29 2018 13: 34
      +1
      that's right)) ... finally built .. only it is not clear what it is for. PJSC subsidized region and Pevek generally gloom. There is nothing at all, neither the roads of the putters, nor entertainment for the population. Only private companies work, they wash the gold, there is the Kupol deposit, but these are foreigners ... it was like Mayskoye .. but somehow it died like ..... most likely it will replace Bilibinskaya
    4. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi April 29 2018 22: 24
      +2
      Quote: PN
      It was the third decade ...


      First, as they say: "Better late than never," well, you did!
      Second, how many heated debates and questions are there, the Internet has a ton of information on this subject ?! And again, as they say: "It is better to see once than hear a hundred times":
      Atom Horizons (11.04.15): Floating Power Unit “Academician Lomonosov”


      Horizons of the atom. The only floating nuclear power plant in the world from October 22 to 2016. Pevek. Coastal infrastructure of the Akademik Lomonosov PAES.
    5. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi April 29 2018 23: 09
      +3
      Latest news at the time of writing:
      The "Group in striped swimsuits" consisting of "Clear" + "Rescuer Karev" + "Umka" + "Academician Lomonosov" passed Helsinki.
      1, The supply ship "Clear" goes first in the caravan

      2. The main tug “Umka” (former Norwegian “OLYMPIC_POSEIDON”) is the second, towed by the PAES.


      3. The caravan is closed by the rescue vessel of the icebreaker class "Rescuer Karev"

      They go to Murmansk at a speed of 5,6 knots, the arrival date is 22 on May 2018.
      And also Warships of the Russian Navy will participate in this operation to protect the caravan and prevent unauthorized access from the sea to board the Academician Lomonosov nuclear power plant.
      https://regnum.ru/news/2410282.html
      Good luck! 7 feet under the keel!
  2. populist
    populist April 29 2018 09: 30
    +4
    Good Luck! good It has long been necessary to do.
    It would be interesting to know the details of the project - the ship itself, cooling, where it will be put in port, etc.
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 April 29 2018 09: 48
      +2
      Good afternoon! good It has long been necessary to do.
      It was necessary to build the second stage of the Bilibino NPP, and not to invent floating samovars .......... but we do not choose easy ways.
    2. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi April 29 2018 23: 16
      +1
      Quote: populist
      Good Luck! good It has long been necessary to do.
      It would be interesting to know the details of the project - the ship itself, cooling, where it will be put in port, etc.

      I think from the video in my post above, you will find out all the answers. hi
  3. APASUS
    APASUS April 29 2018 09: 33
    +3
    Again gigantomania, sawn money for a project?
    In the North, there are a lot of places where you need to put the NPP in 2-3-5 containers, where there is a small village, a drilling, dredge or production for local needs. And there are a lot of places. And here again
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko April 29 2018 09: 48
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Gigantomania again

      Everything depends on the cost per sq / h. The smaller the nuclear power plant, the more expensive it is. For example, TPP-3 on a caterpillar chassis was in trial operation back in 1961. Now of course there are more advanced ones, but economic feasibility and security raises questions.
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 29 2018 09: 48
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      In the North, there are a lot of places where you need to put the NPP in 2-3-5 containers, where there is a small village, a drilling, dredge or production for local needs. And there are a lot of places. And here again

      We will build cities there .. And with such a power plant It will work out and our North will light up with all the lights from outer space!
    3. Dikson
      Dikson April 29 2018 09: 57
      +8
      who will serve the nuclear power plant near the "rig or dredge", shift workers, oil workers and artisans gold miners recruited from anywhere ??? Who will ensure that these containers from the nuclear power plant do not leave in an unknown direction? Any enterprise where they work with fissile materials is a sensitive facility ... with a very tight tolerance. All talk about nuclear energy in every village is from the fantastic stories of the 70s ..
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 29 2018 10: 35
        0
        Quote: Dikson
        who will serve the nuclear power plant near the "rig or dredge", shift workers, oil workers and artisans gold miners recruited from anywhere ??? Who will ensure that these containers from the nuclear power plant do not leave in an unknown direction? Any enterprise where they work with fissile materials is a sensitive facility ... with a very tight tolerance. All talk about nuclear energy in every village is from the fantastic stories of the 70s ..

        Have you tried surfing the web before writing your post?
        There are about 1000 radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) in Russia, most of which are used as a power supply for light beacons
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 29 2018 10: 43
          +6
          Quote: APASUS
          RTG

          RTG is a battery. Only big. Unattended.
          A mobile nuclear power plant is a complete reactor.
          At a minimum, needs service staff and security.
          So what about
          Quote: APASUS
          small village

          ?
          1. APASUS
            APASUS April 29 2018 10: 49
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            RITEG is a battery. Only big. Unattended.
            A mobile nuclear power plant is a complete reactor.
            At a minimum, needs service staff and security.
            So what about

            What does this change in essence? Need a small reactor, a battery for the remote North. Closed cycles use the fleet, satellites. What's the difference?
            Need a massive source of energy! And this monster differs from a stationary nuclear power plant only in the hull of the ship, but at the price I think it will be even more expensive.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 29 2018 11: 03
              +4
              Quote: APASUS
              What does this change in essence?

              Yes, practically everything changes.
              Quote: APASUS
              We need a small reactor, a battery for the remote North. Closed loops use the fleet, satellites. What's the difference?

              Stop-stop-stop ... not so intense, plz ...
              So a reactor, or a battery? These are different things ... The RTG is sealed in a capsule, and its power is watts. It’s definitely not enough for a dredge. A nuclear power plant is disadvantageous at low power (and not the fact that it is possible ... at very low power), it requires maintenance and protection.
              Do you need this dredge for a fan, or for business? The “golden” energy will be, accordingly, the profitability of your dredger, sir ... in doubt wink
              What, to mom, are "cycles"? How does a ship (sea) differ from a satellite - should I also explain it?
              Quote: APASUS
              Need a mass source of energy

              This is for Old Man Hottabych ...
              Quote: APASUS
              And this monster differs from a stationary nuclear power plant only in the hull of a ship.

              This monster is unsteady, this is its main difference from a stationary nuclear power plant.
              Quote: APASUS
              and for the price I think it will be even more expensive

              More expensive WHAT ??
              I'm already drowning in the stormy stream of your thoughts, I'm sorry request
              1. APASUS
                APASUS April 29 2018 11: 12
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Yes, practically, everything changes.

                Changes nothing, you need an autonomous source of energy.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                So a reactor, or a battery? These are different things ... The RTG is sealed in a capsule, and its power is watts. It’s definitely not enough for a dredge

                An example of an RTG was used as an autonomous energy source, as a subject of autonomy, and no more.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                This is for Old Man Hottabych ...

                Now, we are all waiting for Hottabych, and then our leaders pour tears, the people leave the Far East! And there in many places the electricity from the generator

                Quote: Golovan Jack
                More expensive WHAT ??

                More expensive than a stationary nuclear power plant
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 29 2018 11: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: APASUS
                  An example of an RTG was used as an autonomous energy source, as a matter of autonomy, and no more

                  The thinking style is clear.
                  They could have brought something simpler - well, a soldier-motor, for example, or something ...
                  Quote: APASUS
                  And there in many places the electricity from the generator

                  And why do you feel bad about the generator?

                  Quote: APASUS
                  More expensive than a stationary nuclear power plant

                  Cool you ... give you
                  Quote: APASUS
                  ... an autonomous source of energy ...

                  to dredge, and so that without a solarium. And not to be more expensive than a stationary nuclear power plant belay
                  Sorry, but -
                  such phenomena in nature no

                  request
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS April 29 2018 11: 42
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    They could have brought something simpler - well, a soldier-motor, for example, or something ...

                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    And why do you feel bad about the generator?

                    I will learn the logic of our government!
                    Are you an official? And then, according to the logic of things, you will be greatly surprised and indignant at how it happened that in the north, electricity is 5 times more expensive, or when vast territories were polluted by barrels and fuel residues
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 29 2018 11: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: APASUS
                      Are you an official?

                      No. I am a hired labor. Qualified.
                      Quote: APASUS
                      I learn the logic of our government

                      Well, even so ... I honestly, in your reasoning logic ... already lost somehow request
                      Quote: APASUS
                      And then by the logic of things ...

                      And according to the logic of things it will be like this:
                      1. What you want is not in nature yet.
                      2. Wanting is not harmful.
                      3. What I will think and want is my business. Not yours.
                      About hi
                      1. APASUS
                        APASUS April 29 2018 12: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And according to the logic of things it will be like this:
                        1. What you want is not in nature yet.
                        2. Wanting is not harmful.
                        3. What I will think and want is my business. Not yours.


                        The Wright brothers didn’t invent the F-16 either, they started small. To sit on the priest evenly and reason like our officials, wait for Khattabych, things are not done like that.
                        What, of course, you are right that this process is very long. Once this point is supported by qualified specialists
            2. 72jora72
              72jora72 April 29 2018 11: 36
              +3
              Need a massive source of energy! And this monster differs from a stationary nuclear power plant only in the hull of the ship, but at the price I think it will be even more expensive.
              Less than three hundred kilometers from the floating site is the Bilibino NPP, there is infrastructure ready, there are roads, trained personnel. The construction of the second phase of the BiPP would bring much more benefit to the region, the more there is the question of developing the unique Peschanka gold-copper deposit (third in the world in terms of copper reserves) and which will require at least 120 MW for its own needs. A "floating" produces 70MW, draw conclusions ......
            3. max702
              max702 April 29 2018 11: 50
              +2
              Quote: APASUS
              ! And this monster differs from a stationary nuclear power plant only in the hull of the ship, but at the price I think it will be even more expensive

              And you count the logistics of building a nuclear power plant in the far north .. There, as it were, at times everything will rise in price, and the quality is completely in question ..
              1. APASUS
                APASUS April 29 2018 12: 05
                +1
                Quote: max702
                And you count the logistics of building a nuclear power plant in the far north .. There, as it were, at times everything will rise in price, and the quality is completely in question ..

                Just read what you wrote above 72jora72 (Sergey) Today, 11:36 ↑
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek April 29 2018 21: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: APASUS
                  Quote: max702
                  And you count the logistics of building a nuclear power plant in the far north .. There, as it were, at times everything will rise in price, and the quality is completely in question ..

                  Just read what you wrote above 72jora72 (Sergey) Today, 11:36 ↑

                  better advise to read higher what Golovan Jack wrote .. he has much more convincing !! wink yes laughing laughing
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon April 29 2018 14: 09
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            who will serve the nuclear power plant near the "rig or dredge", shift workers, oil workers and artisans gold miners recruited from anywhere ???
            At a minimum, needs service staff and security.

            Well, do you really think everyone is so stupid? In your opinion, it’s right that they took a built nuclear power plant and gave Uncle Vasya the plumbing for use. Probably thought out and service and security. There will be full-time attendants and security.
        2. Dikson
          Dikson April 29 2018 12: 08
          +3
          Why bother looking at me on the Internet ..? I know about the power supply of navigational marine systems .. But excuse me, the RTG - in terms of power, can not be compared with a serious power plant ...
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 29 2018 09: 41
    +4
    Floating nuclear power plant - the most important project for the Russian North
    To be honest, any project for our north is the most important hi
  5. Storming the Washington
    Storming the Washington April 29 2018 09: 45
    +2
    floating nuclear plant flying nuclear plant more nuclear plants are good and different drinks ecology is the force multiplied by a microsievert in a cube
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 29 2018 09: 48
    +3
    Like any new business, it was extremely difficult to develop a project. We have repeatedly discussed the term "degree of novelty." In engineering projects, exceeding this degree by 30% of the milestone - the risks increase many times! And our general designed a new "industry"! And everything had to be thought over and redesigned. This is not an icebreaker, nor a submarine. And a nuclear power plant, and even for the conditions of the far north. Yes, and with the heat supply of the coastal city. Operation will show everything that could not be provided for in the project.
  7. Dikson
    Dikson April 29 2018 09: 51
    +4
    Actually, they didn’t open any America ..)) In the 60s of the last century, Project 1527 was quite successfully implemented .. as a result, 6 floating lights "Northern Lights" were commissioned .. The idea itself is very good for the development of the Arctic and northern rivers .. To build powerful power plants in permafrost conditions, to provide them with fuel and to create infrastructure around them is a very troublesome task. And the FNPP is able to supply in excess any starting construction, as well as already operating enterprises and industrial equipment ...
  8. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 29 2018 09: 54
    +1
    Quote: PN
    It was the third decade ...


    We slowly harness. This is a traditional Russian lack of attitude. But 1/6 of the land continues to be Russia! There are many freeloaders at her, but only in the variant when the Russians themselves gave everything away from fear! And do you know many of these? Because nowhere and in no hurry, ahead of all eternity!
    1. PN
      PN April 29 2018 09: 59
      +4
      It’s you who tell people in the far north that there is no need to rush with development.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 29 2018 10: 31
        +5
        Quote: PN
        It’s you who tell people in the far north that there is no need to rush with development.


        and before that, the native northerners ... didn’t live there ... or we are talking about the civilized "conquerors" of the far north ..
        1. faiver
          faiver April 29 2018 18: 59
          0
          the native northerners have long been walking with portfolios, and not deer are raised in their majority, what are some claims to non-native northerners?
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 29 2018 10: 43
      +1
      Unfortunately, after the collapse of the USSR, it is already one-eighth.
  9. Babermetis
    Babermetis April 29 2018 09: 57
    +1
    Amazing Ah yes GOOD FELLOWS!
  10. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 29 2018 09: 58
    0
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Sasha hi Haste is not appropriate with projects of this magnitude: measure seven times - cut once. I’m wondering how the West will react to the emergence of the FNPP in Russia? I won’t be surprised if the mattresses testify that the FNPP is the base for the Russian railgun. belay


    If this were so, then it would be necessary to declare a national holiday for a week!
  11. Sasha75
    Sasha75 April 29 2018 10: 00
    +3
    I remember Abramovich, being the governor of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug on television in Putin’s office, I asked for such platforms, and they gave the type of money for the project so they didn’t allow it then, as it will be no one does, but suddenly what. And now, less than a dozen years have been launched))). I’m not for oligarchs, but then a person could already solve this problem and we could have been selling them for a long time and building for ourselves, but not letting it be banned, and we are developing the country if it doesn’t interfere, then what’s being done, wait for inspections and bans restrictions.
  12. militia2
    militia2 April 29 2018 10: 40
    0
    Well then! Sailed, glory to those Lord! It seems, however, without loading the reactors. Apparently, the coastal peoples snapped about their safety. That is OK.
    Who needs unlimited fresh water in Africa? Come on! Come on, young managers, sellers and lawyers, what did you study for? Spud Africa differently faster.
  13. Dikson
    Dikson April 29 2018 12: 14
    0
    In general, for this monster it’s necessary to beat the channel with three icebreakers - to navigate along the Northern Sea Route .. By the way, the very first "Northern Lights" could not be dragged to Chukotka in one navigation .. - the floating power station wintered in Taimyr in 1971 .. ice cream in ice..
    1. faiver
      faiver April 29 2018 19: 12
      +1
      Well, let them break through the channels, what problems are they?
  14. TOR2
    TOR2 April 29 2018 12: 29
    +2
    In discussions, heated discussions need the FNPP or not. Only experimental operation can answer this question exactly. It may happen that the FNPP will be the only copy, and will subsequently be disposed of together with the old nuclear submarines. Simply, only some illusions will then disappear. Or maybe this thingy go into a series and give an additional impetus to the development of the far north.
    After the start of operation, various delegations will be requested at the station. From a scientific point of view, this is certainly interesting, but not all the same there are stubborn Atlantists.
  15. Turgon
    Turgon April 29 2018 14: 09
    +1
    Actually, according to the initial project, it was planned to provide the whole North with electricity of such a plan, only the sluggishness of our industry and the gouging of the government prevented.
  16. dgonni
    dgonni April 29 2018 14: 30
    +2
    There the question is simple as two fingers, first, the complete deterioration of the infrastructure of power plants located beyond the Arctic Circle. And a great need for energy in places where it is needed. In fact, there are lines, But the question of the existence of a floating nuclear power plant is the question of the ability to keep the face value. If it is simpler, then it should be provided with the prevailing moment in the supply of energy, and all the rest, stupidly should turn on or off, depending on the given object. Main question? Is there a place in the place where she will go that can determine this? Is there a loopback of networks and wiring in cases of situations that are not provided for by the standards. What is it for? Chernobyl showed. Is It Walking on the Seas?
  17. Lumumba
    Lumumba April 29 2018 14: 36
    0
    That's often the case with us! They’ll conceive a good thing, but there’s nothing to do beautifully! In the West they will make some kind of beautifully haunted, and come to godfather to admire! And here! Thing is good, necessary! Well, what could not be painted beautifully ?! What an old rusty barge, again the whole world will screech, again these Russians, pollute the north with old-fashioned! Well, it's time to respect your work! Tupolev also said that if a plane is beautiful, then it will certainly fly! And here? Chermet some!
  18. Curious
    Curious April 29 2018 14: 58
    +4
    "The first in Russia and the world floating nuclear power plant" Academician Lomonosov ".
    The author was the victim of a campaign called "having no analogues in the world."
    The world's first floating nuclear power plant MH-1A Sturgis was laid in August 1961 in the United States. Decommissioned in 2014. From 1968 to 1975 it was used to power the Panama Canal.
  19. demo
    demo April 29 2018 15: 27
    +1
    According to the director of the Institute for Energy Problems and a member of the Nuclear Society of the Russian Federation, Bulat Nigmatulin, “the first document on the“ buoyancy ”was signed in 2001 year”. Designed and built the station for a long time.
    Thank God even completed.
    And then so many sticks were inserted into these wheels.
    The same "natural monopolies".
    Wow Enemies, and only.
  20. Old26
    Old26 April 29 2018 16: 17
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    I remember back in Soviet times it was suggested that nuclear submarines withdrawn from the Navy be used as power plants.

    It has been proposed and repeatedly. Moreover, a mobile nuclear power plant on caterpillar tractors was created in the USSR and it was located in the same region - Chukotka (EMNIP)

    Quote: MIKHAN
    This breakthrough is called, such a little thing in the Far North, the city can provide 100 thousand electricity!

    More. two thousandth. But these cities are not there. The largest city is Anadyr. Almost 16 thousand people. All the rest - no more than 5,5 thousand. Pevek in private has a population of 4300 people. There is now the Chauzn coal-fired CHPP. Her electric power is approximately the same as that of the reactor at this floating station. And it is not known whether it will be decommissioned or not. Why is there such power (increased by almost 3 times) - it is not clear. The only argument for it is the solution to the water problem in Pevek, which appeared due to the gradual destruction of the dam. This floating station can also desalinate water in volumes from 50 to 240 tons per day

    Quote: MIKHAN
    We will build cities there ..

    USSR built. Russia is not. Out of 7 urban settlements, only Anadyr has an increasing population. For the rest, the numbers are falling ...
    1. Curious
      Curious April 29 2018 16: 53
      0
      In Meehan, in his reality, cities are being built there. So he is about his own, about our own.
    2. faiver
      faiver April 29 2018 19: 15
      +1
      and in our country that only Chukotka belongs to the north? welcome to us in Yakutia - the largest state entity in the world - 3mln. sq. km - 17% of the territory of the Russian Federation
  21. Mentat
    Mentat April 29 2018 20: 25
    0
    Quote: NordOst16
    The analogs were built by the Americans yet.

    No analogues, and the only experimental power plant, which was shut down a few years later due to unprofitability.
    So there can be no talk of any analogues - our power plant is therefore being built because it is economically much more profitable than other sources of electric and heat energy in the Far North and, if necessary, use a powerful source of energy without building a stationary nuclear power plant.
  22. Tests
    Tests April 29 2018 22: 20
    +3
    Dear visitors VO! Please remember how this project began. Let me remind you: on the SEVMASH for Severodvinsk. Here is what our most official newspaper wrote: https://rg.ru/2007/04/17/severodvinsk.html And then, as often happens in Russia, according to Chernomyrdin: "We wanted the best .. . "Dear san4es, the pictures are not in vain on the site. And, no matter how the topic was imposed on our teeth, import substitution was late for years ... Maybe the management of the USC will be smart enough and the Baltic Plant will now build floating nuclear power plants in series. On Novaya Zemlya, geologists are ready for industrial exploitation to transfer mineral deposits on the South Island. But we need electricity. Such a “barge” would help geologists a lot.
    1. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi April 30 2018 10: 37
      +1
      Quote: Tests
      Dear visitors VO! Please remember how this project began. Let me remind you: on SEVMASH for Severodvinsk.

      Right! I give a link to an article from 01.07.2010 and cannot help but quote from there: “The contract between the nuclear engineers and the Baltic Shipyard was a forced continuation of work on the implementation of a pilot project launched in April 2007 at the Sevmash Production Center in Severodvinsk. At that time, upcoming commercial orders for such floating power plants were widely announced. Only the smallest thing was needed - the budget financing under the head order. ”The Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development reluctantly agreed. But Herman Gref, who then headed the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade, right at a government meeting, in the presence of journalists made it clear that he did not believe in the commercial prospect of this venture. Because a kilowatt of electricity from such a low-power NPP, whatever one may say, is much more expensive than other sources of energy supply, not to mention other costs. It is for this reason that the nuclear engineers did not give money from the budget for the serial construction of the FNPP. "
      https://rg.ru/2010/07/01/reactor.html


      Quote: Tests
      ... Maybe the management of the USC is smart enough and the Baltic Plant will now mass-build floating nuclear power plants.

      It seems that it will be mass-produced. About 20 countries are already interested in PAES. Immediate plans:
      Pevek of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug - Lomonosov is already being towed there through Murmansk, where fuel will be loaded.
      CATF Vilyuchinsk in Kamchatka - is planned.
      The Republic of Cape Verde (Cape Verde Islands) is under consultation.
      The construction of gas fields in Taimyr. Possible customer of PJSC Gazprom.
      It is possible to operate the AFMM of this project in other countries with inaccessible territories - for example, in Canada, Indonesia, etc.


      Quote: Tests
      On Novaya Zemlya, geologists are ready for industrial exploitation to transfer mineral deposits on the South Island. But we need electricity. Such a “barge” would help geologists a lot.

      Watch the video posted in my post above. Power cables to the rigs at sea at a distance of up to 200 km are thrown from the PAES, nominally located on the shore.