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Is there a place Assad? Russia, Turkey and Iran discussed the draft of the new constitution of Syria

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The foreign ministers of Russia, Turkey and Iran held a meeting in Moscow. The main agenda of the meeting is the continuation of cooperation in the direction of the Syrian settlement. According to Sergey Lavrov, the interaction of the three countries led to such progress in resolving the Syrian conflict, to which dozens of meetings in the so-called Geneva format did not lead, where the so-called "friends" of Syria continue to "steer".


Is there a place Assad? Russia, Turkey and Iran discussed the draft of the new constitution of Syria


During the consultations in the Russian capital, Sergey Lavrov, Mevlüt авavushoglu and Mohammad Javad Sharif reaffirmed their commitment to a common and main goal - to preserve the unity of the Syrian Arab Republic against the backdrop of the accession of the long-awaited peace in this country.

The Turkish Foreign Minister noted that only the territorial integrity of Syria - without anyone claiming to the Syrian territories - can be a guarantee for a settlement in the SAR.

The foreign ministers of the three countries also discussed such a question as the proposal by Syria of a new constitution, which would take into account the interests of each of the peoples inhabiting Syria. At the same time, the foreign ministers relied on agreements between dozens of ethnic and confessional groups that represented Syrian society and Syrian political realities at the famous congress in Sochi.

Sergei Lavrov noted that attempts have now been made by individual countries, including the United States, to hinder work on resolving the Syrian conflict and on making constructive efforts to build a new, unified Syria. The Russian Foreign Minister noted that the recent US-Anglo-French missile attack of Syria under a false pretext became such an act of aggression.

Apparently, the proposed draft constitution of Syria proposes the federalization of the country. This was repeatedly stated by politicians not only in the Russian Federation, but also in Syria itself. An open-ended question is whether Bashar Assad will leave his post after the new draft constitution of Syria is implemented. Unless, of course, realize it will give the "Syrian friends."
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  1. XXXIII
    XXXIII April 28 2018 23: 39
    +5
    Is there a place Assad? Russia, Turkey and Iran discussed the draft of the new constitution of Syria
    This is a provocation, someone is rocking the boat ..... wassat
    1. Logall
      Logall April 28 2018 23: 41
      +14
      The Foreign Ministers of the three countries also discussed a question such as the proposal by Syria of a new constitution

      Normally, the three countries are discussing the fourth constitution, which speaks of the "independence" of the latter ...
      In short, it is whoever wins this war will “have” a pocket ruler of all Syria! Or maybe not all, in the case of the onna ...
      1. Hire
        Hire April 28 2018 23: 49
        +10
        Quote: Logall
        Normally, the three countries are discussing the fourth constitution, which speaks of the "independence" of the latter ...

        hi Alexander, I think the task is to start the process. And they will "finish" themselves. Probably...
        1. Bad_santa
          Bad_santa April 29 2018 00: 01
          +11
          Simply, this fourth country was not able to independently solve its internal problems and withstand external influences. The Swiss Constitution was also not written by the Swiss, and the country has existed and lives for more than one hundred years. So there is no other way
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 April 29 2018 01: 32
            +11
            The Japanese Constitution was also not written by the Japanese. But there is one point - Japan lost the war, and winner wrote the constitution.
            And Assad at the moment is successfully crushing terrorists, despite the support of ISIS from the United States and Israel. So there is a difference. And does their old constitution give different peoples different rights? I doubt something, otherwise the United States would have yelled about this for a long time when they were looking for arguments for "why Assad, who doesn’t lick their ass, is a criminal."
            However, if after such a shake-up they really begin to write the new constitution themselves, then it’s sure that the garbage will be (even worse than the one in the Russian Empire, where the Finns and Poles had more rights than the Russians). There are now so many groups that looking for a "middle ground" will be exactly between the buttocks (also the middle). Writing "from the side" will be better.
            So either the old Constitution, or written from the side. Otherwise it will be worse. For me - it's better than the old. Otherwise, the pride of the Syrians will be hurt.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 29 2018 02: 03
              +3
              Quote: Shurik70
              The Japanese Constitution was also not written by the Japanese. But there is one point - Japan lost the war, and the winner wrote the constitution.

              The Americans "lowered from heaven" the deity of the Japanese, landing the emperor, turning Japan into a parliamentary republic.
              Quote: Shurik70
              Assad is currently successfully crushing terrorists, despite the support of ISIS from the United States and Israel.

              Only for some reason Assad did not go to Ankara to the summit with Putin, Erdogan and Rouhani.
              Quote: Shurik70
              So either the old Constitution, or written from the side. Otherwise it will be worse. For me - it's better than the old. Otherwise, the pride of the Syrians will be hurt.

              Syrians who is this? Muslims - about 86% of the population of Syria. Of the Muslims, 82% are Sunnis, the rest are Alawites and Ismailis, as well as Shiites, whose number with 2003 is constantly growing due to the flow of refugees from Iraq.
              Christians - 10%. Among Christians, half are Syrian Orthodox, 18% are Catholics (mainly members of the Syrian Catholic and Melkite Catholic churches). Significant communities of the Armenian Apostolic and Russian Orthodox churches are present.
              Druze - About 3%. Some researchers are classified as extreme Shiites.
              More than half of the Syrians are Sunnis, however, the country has significant communities of Shiite-twenties, Ismaili-Nizari and Alawites (16%), different directions of Christianity (10%). The official language is Arabic.
              In such a cauldron engulfed in war, given the betrayal of the highest generals and desertion of soldiers, can we talk about pride?
              To give advice on the New Constitution of Syria will be all and sundry. But only those clans that will have a certain power and influence will affirm it. But it is such a distant future.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 April 29 2018 02: 32
                +1
                Quote: stalkerwalker

                In such a cauldron engulfed in war, given the betrayal of the highest generals and desertion of soldiers, can we talk about pride?

                After the war, the winners will have pride to their ears. And a heightened sense of self-sufficiency. The introduction of a constitution from the outside (especially if it is warmed up in the media, and the United States will definitely be warmed up if they do not write the Constitution themselves) is perceived as an insult and leveling of the Victory.
              2. aiden
                aiden April 29 2018 04: 40
                +3
                Assad did not go for safety reasons. He does not go to aggressor countries. But in Russia and Iran it happens
              3. Vita vko
                Vita vko April 29 2018 07: 03
                +1
                The war in Syria has never been religious in nature. Radical Islamization was just a screen for the narrow-minded inhabitants, whom it is more convenient to present Sharia laws than wartime laws. From the very beginning, the desire of pro-Western terrorist groups to begin the redistribution of the hydrocarbon sector in the region was understandable. Remember the many-kilometer columns with tanks that stretched to the Turkish and Iraqi borders.
                In fact, now the Constitution will also be far from the interests of the peoples of Syria and will turn into a trade agreement between military groups.
            2. Strips
              Strips April 29 2018 06: 13
              +3
              Quote: Shurik70
              to support ISIS from the United States and Israel.


              You're lying a lot, but zero facts.
            3. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 29 2018 06: 30
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              Assad is currently successfully crushing terrorists, despite ...

              Sneakers do not tell, they are so funny. Assad crushes, og ...
              * "despite" - together, by the way.
            4. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat April 29 2018 07: 05
              +2
              And the winner wrote the Russian constitution, didn't he?
        2. Amurets
          Amurets April 29 2018 00: 28
          +3
          Quote: Hire
          Alexander, I think the task is to start the process. And they will "finish" themselves. Probably...

          That's about how our "Authors Anatoly Sobchak, Shakhrai Sergey Mikhailovich, Alekseev Sergey Sergeevich, Constitutional Conference of the Russian Federation" were present, and the Americans wrote it. "But what does the American @ partners @ have to do with our Constitution? The most direct, since they wrote it," with the participation of proxies from among Russian citizens. "(And not vice versa, as is commonly believed, although, even mention of @ partners @’s involvement in this case is considered bad form.) "
          https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/air-space/post3
          18179405
          https://www.planet-kob.ru/articles/3372
          Well, how did you finish our Constitution?
          And after that, you need to think about who and how will "DOP" this constitution, these:
          The internal Syrian opposition advocates dialogue with the SAR government, while the external insists on overthrowing the regime and has an armed wing (the “Syrian Free Army”). Kurdish opposition groups occupy a special place among groups opposing the Assad regime.
          Or these: External Opposition
          In March and April 2012, the EU and the Group of Friends of Syria. recognized the SNA as the legal representative of the Syrians.
          Monarchies of the Persian Gulf, primarily Qatar and Saudi Arabia, began to provide the main financial assistance to the external Syrian opposition. In March and April 2012
          More on TASS:
          http://tass.ru/info/848044
          This will be a new fight, and Syria and Assad have nothing to do with it.
      2. Monos
        Monos April 29 2018 00: 03
        +9
        Alexander, my respect hi
        Quote: Logall
        Normally, the three countries are discussing the fourth constitution, which speaks of the "independence" of the latter ...

        If not us, then others will write. As a matter of fact, they now have no single country. In fact, Russia, Iran and Turkey are taking on the functions of the UN, trying to pacify and save the country.
        It turns out that both we and the Americans ignore the UN (due to its incapacity). Only the United States ignores in order to fuel conflicts, and we to extinguish them. And we and the measures, by our actions, confirm the incompetence of this organization. Here, after all, what a thing ...
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII April 29 2018 00: 51
          +5
          Quote: Monos
          It turns out that both we and the Americans ignore the UN (due to its incapacity). Only the United States ignores in order to fuel conflicts, and we to extinguish them. And we and the measures, by our actions, confirm the incompetence of this organization. Here, after all, what a thing ...

          A dangerous thing, it can lead to serious problems in the world, they are already trying to reform, only the rules do not offer .....
          1. Amurets
            Amurets April 29 2018 03: 11
            +2
            Quote: XXXIII
            A dangerous thing, it can lead to serious problems in the world, they are already trying to reform, only the rules do not offer .....

            Offer. Throw out Russia and the UN. I’m not talking about Ukraine anymore, these are sub-mongrel mongrels. These are calls from the USA. Another slap in the face of our country on the information front. Bloomberg columnist Ilan Lake called for Russia to be considered a second-rate country and to “drive” it out of commissions and councils of international organizations that deal with law. According to the American analyst, our country, "like a termite," undermines and discredits large and small international organizations ....
            The world community must recognize Russia as a second-class state and withdraw it from all international institutions. This opinion was expressed by Bloomberg columnist Ilan Lake, whose article is given below.
            https://politobzor.net/165751-rossiya-strana-vtor
            ogo-sorta-vashington-pereshel-k-oskorbleniyam-mos
            kvy.html? utm_source = topwar.ru
          2. Hire
            Hire April 29 2018 10: 36
            +5
            Quote: XXXIII
            Dangerous thing

            hi Yes, dangerous. But this situation has arisen due to the lack of maturity of the US "elites". We also had a hand in this when we handed over everything in a row, having formed their opinion that we should not be taken into account.
        2. Graduation
          Graduation April 29 2018 01: 08
          +6
          Sergei Lavrov noted that attempts have now been made by individual countries, including the United States, to hinder work on resolving the Syrian conflict and on making constructive efforts to build a new, unified Syria. The Russian Foreign Minister noted that the recent US-Anglo-French missile attack of Syria under a false pretext became such an act of aggression.

          They will interfere, and will not calm down for a long time ... Peaceful perish, and this insane to a bulb ... angry
      3. XXXIII
        XXXIII April 29 2018 00: 24
        +3
        Quote: Logall
        Normally, the three countries are discussing the fourth constitution, which speaks of the "independence" of the latter ...
        In short, it is whoever wins this war will “have” a pocket ruler of all Syria! Or maybe not all, in the case of the onna ...

        This is just a suggestion, what do you think ?! laughing
        Assad still indulges in changing the constitution, no matter how he wants or wants, the three partners who help, say that all sides must be taken into account, so that there would be no new clan war. It has always been this way, after the war, the closest partners offer options for discussing the new rules of state structure. The option for Syria will be selected worthy, taking into account all sides, the country only needs to accept and digest it, then it will be a long-term peace. yes
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 29 2018 00: 32
          +5
          Quote: XXXIII
          Assad is absolutely indulging in changing the constitution, no matter how he wants or wants, the three partners who help, say that all sides need to be taken into account, but there would be no new clan war

          By the time the constitution is changed or the padishah will die, or the donkey will die. Assad Jr. understands this and does not twitch, because until the end of the civil war - like walking to Berlin.
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII April 29 2018 00: 38
            +3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            By the time the constitution is changed or the padishah will die, or the donkey will die. Assad Jr. understands this and does not twitch, because until the end of the civil war - like walking to Berlin.
            Yes, clans that feel power will ask for more, but it seems that a discussion of the constitution is already underway, so the political situation is close to a solution. True, they will not lay down their completely repulsed weapons, whatever they come up with, and there is someone to spoil the situation.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 29 2018 00: 41
              +3
              Quote: XXXIII
              Yes, clans that feel power will ask for more, but it seems that the constitution is already being discussed, so the political situation is close to a solution

              The main condition of the "clan division" is the integrity of the territory of Syria, on which the new Constitution will operate.
              Offhand - Idlib and the border with Jordan, including Raqqah - oh how far from this condition.
      4. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM April 29 2018 09: 24
        +1
        The question is - and by what right? Is Syria a defeated country, and this three are winners? Provocative headline.
      5. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 29 2018 10: 28
        +1
        They took him straight from the tongue ...
        Is there any place for Assad? Russia, Turkey and Iran discussed
        The first question is in my head, and have Assad been introduced to the course?
    2. Hire
      Hire April 28 2018 23: 43
      +11
      If peace reigns in Syria and grows stronger, Assad will have unquestioned authority in the country.
      1. Logall
        Logall April 28 2018 23: 46
        +6
        Quote: Hire
        Assad will have unquestioned authority in the country.

        We say Assad, but we mean - Putin hi
        1. Hire
          Hire April 28 2018 23: 52
          +8
          Quote: Logall
          We say Assad, but we mean - Putin

          smile Then the question asked in the article (Is there a place for Assad?) Is inappropriate. smile
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII April 29 2018 00: 33
            +3
            Quote: Hire
            Then the question asked in the article (Is there a place for Assad?) Is inappropriate.

            It is appropriate, we say Assad, but we mean Syria. Putin will not be able to rule a foreign country and the dictators of the Russian Federation are also unnecessary, it was similar in the USSR, no one will take this path. There will be created the likeness of our control systems, the constitution, the president, parliament, army, people .... yes
  2. dr.star75
    dr.star75 April 28 2018 23: 49
    +3
    Russia just needs to say: everyone else is a shit .....
  3. bald
    bald April 29 2018 02: 01
    +4
    The constitution is a secondary issue. The fee is different. How to confront the aggressor, and how to beat (knock). Until Turkey and Iran are hooked, we should be alone with the Syrians. Well, new supply contracts.
  4. ir-san
    ir-san April 29 2018 05: 41
    +2
    Will he leave his post, Bashar al-Assad?
    Will be implemented, a new draft constitution?

    In the article, two mutually exclusive and at the same time two interrelated issues, and, as desired, pass off as valid
    Of the three participants, two for Assad, and one not particularly, respectively, the first question is closed.
    The new draft constitution is an invitation to dialogue of all parties, but the later the inter-Syrian dialogue begins, the fewer participants to replace the constitution can remain, and there you have nothing to change
  5. dojjdik
    dojjdik April 29 2018 06: 04
    +4
    this muddy chavushoglu is temporarily friends; Well, if we agree to the change of Assad, then we lost to smithereens to the state and Israel, the war criminal and Israeli dictator Netanyahu will be very pleased with the plan of the Jews to eliminate Assad, the money worked to support the igil gangs was well spent; the joy of the Jews will be the same as when they overthrew and destroyed Arafat and Najibullah and now they can fly and bullet unhindered across Syria from the territory of Lebanon, the next Jewish next to the Iranian spiritual leader
    1. Strips
      Strips April 29 2018 06: 15
      +2
      Quote: dojjdik
      Israel-war criminal and dictator of Israel netanyahu


      What a formidable dreamer you are laughing
  6. MadCat
    MadCat April 29 2018 06: 05
    +2
    Assad's main share holders share the skin of the still-dead bear. laughing
  7. Livonetc
    Livonetc April 29 2018 06: 17
    +4
    For Russia, granting freedom, independence, and the constitution is not new.
    At one time, the Admiral of the Fleet of the Russian Empire Feuor Feorovich Ushakov, having liberated the Ionian Islands from the French, was in fact the creator of the Ionian Republic. Islands and co-authored a constitution.
    It is noteworthy that the Ottomans demanded the accession of the Ionian Islands to their empire, but were clearly refused.
    "Ushak Pasha," as the Turks called it, pointed them to their place in modern history.
  8. garnik
    garnik April 29 2018 06: 22
    +2
    Third wheel. A country supporting gangs cannot wish the country integrity.
  9. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 29 2018 07: 24
    +1
    Is there a place Assad? Russia, Turkey and Iran discussed the draft of the new constitution of Syria

    I am sure Assad would gladly leave, but with the condition that there will be peace and state integrity in Syria!
    This is a matter of principle .. Just imagine the peasants that he survived and nevertheless survived the country, is resisting in spite of the USA and Israel (Russia certainly helped a lot) .. And the trio Russia-Turkey-Iran I think will ensure peace and stability not only in Syria, but also in the region as a whole ..!
  10. Wolf47525
    Wolf47525 April 29 2018 09: 15
    0
    And who is Assad? And yes ....... Meet. Most likely, almost 100%, the future president. Who said pi..r?
  11. Professor
    Professor April 29 2018 09: 36
    +2
    The foreign ministers of the three countries also discussed a question such as the proposal by Syria of a new constitution, which would take into account the interests of each of the peoples inhabiting Syria.

    In the face of the "sovereignty" of Syria. Remember this meeting when you are again outraged by the bombing of Iranian targets on the territory of "sovereign" Syria.
  12. icant007
    icant007 April 29 2018 12: 03
    0
    Is the project itself freely available? I couldn’t find it quickly. Only references a year ago.
  13. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 29 2018 12: 37
    +1
    And why is Lavrov standing on the edge? The representative of the host should stand still in the center.
  14. omit
    omit April 29 2018 16: 48
    0
    Russia, Turkey and Iran-- Good company. good fellow
  15. Slovak
    Slovak April 29 2018 19: 04
    +2
    It remains to kick under Macron’s tail, change May’s dentures and convince Trumpon not to climb?
  16. Mentat
    Mentat April 29 2018 20: 00
    0
    Quote: Shurik70
    So either the old Constitution, or written from the side. Otherwise it will be worse. For me - it's better than the old. Otherwise, the pride of the Syrians will be hurt.

    Do not be so naive. Naturally, in writing the new Constitution of Syria, if it takes place at all, worthy Syrian men will participate. Which will be the pillars of confidence of the Syrian people. Heeding valuable advice.
    Because, and these worthy men will understand by virtue of their high intellect, the stabilization of the Syrian state is not only an internal political process, but also a huge foreign policy one. Consultations on this topic with those who actually showed a desire to help the Syrian state will benefit him. It is so superficial and obvious that it is not clear how you do not understand it.
  17. Hiller
    Hiller April 29 2018 21: 00
    0
    And are they really citizens of the SAR to discuss the country's constitution?
  18. flicker
    flicker April 29 2018 22: 31
    0
    Is there a place Assad? Russia, Turkey and Iran discussed the draft of the new constitution of Syria
    Here is what Sablin said about Bashar al-Assad: "I met with Assad more than once, including in 2014, when the situation in Syria was much worse." "And then Assad said that he would never leave Syria and share the fate of his people."
    Assad is the worthy son of the Syrian people, a people who have been at war with American-Israeli terrorists for seven years. So what else is there.
  19. Mentat
    Mentat April 29 2018 23: 03
    0
    Quote: hiller
    And are they really citizens of the SAR to discuss the country's constitution?

    To be honest, it seems to me that Syrians are ready to listen to any ideas about the new constitution (for the above reasons) only from Russia. By no means as interference from outside, it really would look out of place, but as advice in the light of events in the world. Apparently, we discussed the same foreign policy factor with Iran and Turkey.