There are no victims and fires. Il-38 Indian Air Force landed in Zhukovsky

An Il-38 aircraft made an emergency landing at the airfield in Zhukovsky near Moscow, the Ilyushin press service reported. The cause of the emergency was the failure of the front landing gear.

The IL-38 successfully landed with an undisclosed front landing gear. Near firefighters, no fire

- said in a statement

Earlier, the media reported that an emergency landing in Zhukovsky near Moscow is preparing to make an IL-38 plane belonging to the Indian Air Force. On board were experienced test pilots of Ilyushin.

When landing the aircraft at the airfield of the Gromov Flight Test Institute in Zhukovsky, the non-release landing gear sensor worked. The plane continued to circle above the airfield until the production of fuel, then landed, added to Ilyushin.

Comments

[dr.star75]

There are no victims and destruction. Well done pilots!

[Logall]

Quote: dr.star75

There are no victims and destruction. Well done pilots!

So our pilots, it could not be otherwise ...

On board were experienced test pilots of Ilyushin.

I have no doubt for a second that these guys are not in vain eating their bread!

[dr.star75]

Could, could take the plane to the side and crash with it. And so everyone is alive, and the plane wasn’t particularly hurt. Although to hell with him, with the plane, most importantly the pilots are alive.

[Logall]

Quote: dr.star75

Could, could take the plane to the side and crash with it.

I love "optimism" in hindsight ... In this case, it should have been the way it happened. These guys worked out these nuances more than once! And that option that you described could be in another case, under other circumstances ... And when a chassis breaks down, the following always happens:

The aircraft continued to circle above the airfield until fuel was generated, after which it landed

[BZTM]

Recently, they just discussed something similar when a guy landed a plane on his belly. And he remained alive and saved the equipment. And some of them had to eject, with foam at their mouths, supposedly ... The Russian Chkalovs didn’t get poorer ...

[dr.star75]

That’s bad. We need live pilots, not posthumous heroes. Now is not a war. And losing pilots is a crime. The plane is a bunch of iron. Pilots need to be protected. We are still planning planes. and the pilot will succeed in 20 years.

[Logall]

If the pilot knows what he is doing, then why should he not land the plane?
I am a power engineer, I know where you can climb, and where - no! And if I do something, then none of my colleagues have doubts about the correctness of my actions ... And my work is also fraught with mortal danger. But clearly measured actions and compliance with the PTB allows you to do the job without unnecessary risks!
So they have: assessed the situation, made own business - put the plane!

[dr.star75]

Do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs! Do you climb somewhere into a transformer with a voltage of 1000V? And your colleagues are standing nearby and are not trying to stop you? Perhaps they are marking in your place. Landing an aircraft without one landing gear 50% leads to disaster, with the death of not only the aircraft but also the crew. Do we need heroes posthumously? Or acting pilots?

[Logall]

Quote: dr.star75

Do you climb somewhere into a transformer with a voltage of 1000V?

I am not very good at aviation ... But you do not seem to understand even more, you are not even interested! I’m generally silent about energy ...

informburo.kz/stati...avariynyh...
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Landing with a defective landing gear is not uncommon in civil aviation / Photo from theopenasia.net. “Open Asia Online” remembered cases of successful landing of aircraft without landing gear

[dr.star75]

You do not understand not only aviation but also logic. And in the energy or aviation sectors, this is no longer important.

[Awaz]

civilian with passengers and military are two big differences. In the first case, everyone needs to survive, in the second, there is no point in saving the plane at the cost of the crew’s life

[72jora72]

Don’t confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs! Are you getting into a transformer with a voltage of 1000V somewhere? And are your colleagues standing nearby and not trying to stop you?

Dear, do you even imagine the order of admission to existing electrical installations

[Avis-bis]

Quote: dr.star75

Landing an aircraft without one landing gear 50% leads to disaster, with the death of not only the aircraft but also the crew.

Not true. But, indeed, landing on the belly is considered safer than landing on two racks, especially if the main one did not come out.

[Piramidon]

Such cases are practiced by the pilots. And not as you advise. If, with each malfunction, the crews throw the plane and save only themselves, we will be left without aviation.

[NN52]

Piramidon

Landing with an unreleased landing gear is not practiced, as a special case ...
It’s landing ... In any case, on fighter jets, on citizens I don’t know .. But when the landing gear isn’t released, there are a number of rules that need to be made (from the passage above the launch, to make sure the landing gear position, etc. .. try to overload it and etc ..) But in any case, non-release racks, RP will give a command for ejection, but always the crew decides for itself to land or "go out" ...
With civilian sides, everything is complicated, behind the passengers ... and there are no options, we must land ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: NN52

Landing with an unreleased landing gear is not practiced, as a special case ...

Theoretically practiced. Actions are recorded in instructions and instructions.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Piramidon

Theoretically practiced. Actions are recorded in instructions and instructions.

Have you seen these instructions? There, in general, the emergency release system should work, such a simple one: mechanical opening of locks. But landing without a chassis ..

[Piramidon]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

simple such: mechanical opening of locks.

The mechanical opening of the suspension locks serves precisely to remove the chassis from the locks in case of their malfunction, and then the release mechanism (electric, hydraulic or pneumatic, depending on the type of aircraft) should work.

Have you seen these instructions?

Saw. And I saw a Tu-142 landing with an unreleased main landing gear.

[NN52]

Piramidon

Why cut a sentence out of context? It is without continuing what I wrote? Precisely landing?

I’ll write for you again, in fighter aircraft, landing with an unreleased landing gear is not even theoretically practiced ... Leaving the plane, EVERYTHING, POINT ...
No need to argue.

Even on the simulator this is not practiced ... The military ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: NN52

Piramidon

Why cut a sentence out of context? It is without continuing what I wrote? Precisely landing?

I’ll write for you again, in fighter aircraft, landing with an unreleased landing gear is not even theoretically practiced ... Leaving the plane, EVERYTHING, POINT ...
No need to argue.

Even on the simulator this is not practiced ... The military ...

I did not serve in fighter aircraft (Tu-95, Tu-142), and with us this was recorded in the instructions for actions in special cases.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: dr.star75

We need live pilots, not posthumous heroes.

Well, how can it be so, it’s so “not politically correct”. Yesterday's “eagle” is already giving out an interview: how it saved expensive equipment, in a word .., where do we go. Dryn would be good to him, I think he will get it.

[NN52]

Pete mitchell

Let's write off the “eagle” for youth?
Remember yourself on the first type ...
And so really he will have a second Day in his life ...
Just do not understand why it was all to spread all this on television?
Or a new infantry .... decided to change something in the videoconferencing before leaving to raise another? Without him (permission), such a PR would not exist ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NN52

Let's write off the “eagle” for youth?

Two hundred and fiftyhere you are kind. I am probably outraged that a really controversial action, albeit with a positive result, is presented as an outstanding act, this will serve as a bad example. Our documents were written by smart people and I’m sure that if he had killed someone on earth, the conversation would have gone in a different direction: why did he break the instructions? And now TV, a new jumpsuit did not regret it .., lucky

[NN52]

Pete

Alright, alright ... Don’t be indignant ...
And tomorrow your “young” birds will get the whip from you, but I will be to blame for this ...
You are only there for the caponier, this, KM 35, do not hit hard on the cumpole in the school of art ....

Well, later in the telegram everything will be put on the shelves, and all interested persons will draw conclusions ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NN52

Fine, fine...

You pity them yet NIKNN is right, you need to train and regret less, and also train your brains: how we were treated - the command "shovel in copter" probably all of us remember

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: BZTM

when the guy landed a plane on his belly. And he remained alive, and saved the equipment. And some here with foam at the mouth had to eject, supposedly

Dear, do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. Yesterday's “eagle” already gives an interview about saving the “expensive” equipment, for the sake of such a case, even a new jumpsuit was not spared on him: show must go on. He was lucky, lucky, but about ignorance of the guiding documents on July 1, the topic will go: the anniversary of the tragedy over Lake Baden.
The -38 crew knew what he was doing, he probably worked out all the options, and after mayday three times the commander can take any action to save people and equipment, but only after mayday

[okko077]

Very unprofessional article. These are not aviation phrases:
- front landing gear failure , and you need a failure of the exhaust system of the front landing gear;
- with undisclosed front landing gear, and you need - with the un-aired front landing gear;
- Chassis non-release sensor triggered, there is no such sensor - the chassis release sensor did not work
or landing gear sensor, probably the second because it was producing fuel ....
And in general it is not entirely clear what happened: did the plane fly in or out?
circled over the airfield to fuel

Indian Air Force
.On board were experienced test pilots "Ilyushin".
I was not surprised if they said that the bulb burned out? The limit switches of the exhaust and cleaning alarm do not fail. There is no system there ... And why didn’t they try to release it emergencyly? No, this is some kind of nonsense, and not information from people far from aviation .... I'm not talking about those who discuss all this nonsense ....

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: okko077

Very unprofessional article

Well done: come, put everything on the shelves and it's hard to disagree: -B I'm for

[NN52]

Valery

Why so tough? ..
Pete and I are also discussing, explaining to comrades ...

[Hire]

It was in my life like that. In childhood. With his father flew from Moscow to Khabarovsk. But then in the end we got out of the chassis and sat down quite safely. But I don’t remember anything, I was small. Although father said that we were already buried on earth then.

[bouncyhunter]

There were no casualties and destruction - praise and honor to the pilots!

[Hire]

Quote: bouncyhunter

There were no casualties and destruction - praise and honor to the pilots!

So the pilots are "Ilyushinsky." Those are still bison. I suspect that for them this is a regular situation.

[bouncyhunter]

I want them to sincerely wish fewer such “regular situations”.

[Doliva63]

Why are the pilots of Ilyushinsky at the Gromov LII?

[Hire]

Quote: Doliva63

On board were experienced test pilots of Ilyushin.

Patamu headquarters:

On board were experienced test pilots of Ilyushin.

Quote from the article.

[jaroff]

Because LII them. M.M., Gromova is an airfield, services, testing division, science, and on its territory there are flight testing divisions of various aircraft manufacturing companies (Sukhoi, Mikoyan, Tupolev, Ilyushin, Yakovlev, My
sischeva). The Indian IL-38 was finalized at the Ilyushin company, respectively, and the test flight was carried out by the crew of the Ilyushin company. At the airport "Ramenskoye" in the city of Zhukovsky.

[Doliva63]

Understood thanks

[NEXUS]

Quote: bouncyhunter

There were no casualties and destruction - praise and honor to the pilots!

It is important to draw conclusions and understand why, so as not to step on the same rake again.

[bouncyhunter]

I hope so.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

It is important to draw conclusions and understand why, so as not to step on the same rake again.

This can not be written. Each flight accident is investigated, conclusions are drawn and measures are taken to prevent their occurrence.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Piramidon

Each flight accident is investigated, conclusions are drawn and measures are taken to prevent their occurrence.

I know ... we even have an institute in such cases with us. Here I can’t say about India ... but, I believe, a certain service also exists.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

I can’t say anything about India ...

100% of this case will be ours to investigate. And even on the territory of India, Russian specialists are involved in the investigation of all incidents with our equipment.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Hire

we were already buried on earth then.

Landing on the belly is less secure than on the chassis, but does not involve such a thrash. Father considers you a sucker.

[Logall]

Quote: Avis-bis

Father considers you a sucker.

Oh, oh, I don’t even know what to call you after that. I hate it when they change personalities, but for this, in general, you need to beat the snout! Why are you affecting a parent?
Respect your parents, remain human! And then after this, there is not a good impression of your upbringing ...

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Logall

Quote: Avis-bis

Father considers you a sucker.

Oh, oh, I don’t even know what to call you after that. I hate it when they change personalities, but for this, in general, you need to beat the snout! Why are you affecting a parent?
Respect your parents, remain human! And then after this, there is not a good impression of your upbringing ...

And do not touch my upbringing. It’s better to educate someone who sincerely believes that everyone on the earth ran with pale faces, clutched their heads and ordered corpses, but the situation resolved itself. No, my dear, they worked on the earth. Not like during a normal landing and hard, but they worked.
You, here I’m watching, is a power engineer ... When our lights go out in my neighborhood, for example, I’m not really angry with electricians, just because I know little about the issue. Maybe the fault of electricians, maybe not. But what I’m definitely not doing is not shouting to the whole Internet that drunken electricians have bolted the residents and went to sleep, and here we stumble in the dark ...
The rest is below in the answer to your client.

[Hire]

Quote: Avis-bis

Father considers you a sucker.

For 4 years now, I don’t think ... And then, my dear, I’ve never been a pilot, and my father was not a pilot, and I don’t know which landing is dangerous and which is not very. So, who is “sucker” and who is not, sort out your circle. Unless, of course, you are really a pilot, not bullshit.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Hire

Unless, of course, you are really a pilot, not bullshit.

I am an engineer by education. On earth, they never "bury in advance" in such cases. Especially when landing on the belly. There are a number of measures to make landing on the belly safe. And the vast majority of them performed even without bruises and bruises. Moreover, there were cases when they sat down, forgetting to let out the chassis (Aeroflotovsky Il-86 in the UAE and B-737 in Kaliningrad, for example) and, of course, no one prepared for such a landing, and they realized that they sat on their belly, only stopping after the "run" - the engines roar, and the plane stands still.
Well, not a sucker, so "naive gullible man." For such magazines, they write their opuses, where “the plane miraculously did not crash due to the lack of a seal calculation” (quote) or “passengers were on the verge of death due to the failure of the APU” (close to the text, the meaning is preserved).
It’s possible to “bury” in advance for any sortie of any aircraft - recent years have shown that they often fight on absolutely serviceable aircraft, and not as a result of a malfunction: Arabs in Rostov-on-Don, Tatarstan in Kazan, Poles near Smolensk, crazy in Germany and so on. Often you are "buried in advance" when you fly to the resort or on business?
But those who sat on their belly got off with several unpleasant minutes before landing: I brought two cases, but there are 767 in Warsaw, for example. EMNIP, some planes even returned to service after similar cases. If I seemed harsh, it was only because I could not stand such sweeping statements. In aviation, people work for flight safety and accusing them of only doing what they bury passengers is, at the very least, a stupid and illiterate baseless run over. And they, too, are sons, fathers and mothers with daughters. And not only disasters "have a name, surname and position", but also have successful outcomes. These are specific people who ensured a safe landing at that time: the crew (preparing for emergency evacuation and bringing the plane to the ground softer than usual), emergency services (deployed various machinery just in case), the aviation personnel (advised the crew and assisted the ACC), dispatcher (they cleared the approach and landing areas from other aircraft, carried onboard-to-ground communications) and many other services that simply list for a long time. Do not like to hear this in your address? Well, do not say this about others.
"Buried in advance," you know ...

[Hire]

You are not an aircraft engineer, you are an aircraft idiot if you think that ordinary passengers, meeting and escorting only that, are engaged in studying the aircraft structures, their strength characteristics and flight instructions for days on end. People see a plane circling above the airport, bustle and ambulances arriving from all over the city and draw their conclusions, which are then voiced by the arrivals.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Hire

You are not an aircraft engineer, you are an aircraft idiot if you think that ordinary passengers, meeting and escorting only that, are engaged in studying the aircraft structures, their strength characteristics and flight instructions for days on end.

Where did I write this, Internet psychiatrist? But, really, you need to be an idiot to assume that during an emergency landing, you immediately need to say goodbye to someone there if the plane flies (!), And does not fall like a stone in front of everyone. So, everything is under control and the guys just get ready and train passengers. Now, if everything was done without preparation, then, of course ... Then you can be afraid.
I don’t understand very well in the fire business, but when I see a burning house and / or fire engines coming to it, I don’t automatically conclude that there are already a lot of burnt corpses. The same when an ambulance rides around the city with special signals on. No one requires the passenger to study something, but turning on the head is still recommended. Although, I do not insist, twice born ...

[ancestors from Don]

The plane is not young | but reliable, made on the basis of the passenger IL-18, a total of several emergency situations were recorded:
1984 year. Accident on air. Nikolaevka, 77th OPLAP Air Force Pacific Fleet. Emergency cessation of take-off. The plane rolled out of the runway, received damage and was decommissioned. The crew was not injured.

1984 year. Asmara Airfield, Ethiopia. As a result of a separatist raid on the airfield, two IL-38s belonging to the 77th PLAF of the Air Force Pacific Fleet were destroyed, the crews were not injured.

1994 year. Accident on air. Severomorsk-1, 24th OPLAP Air Force SF. When landing in conditions of heavy snow and snow, the plane deviated from the landing course and collided with the ground. The crew died.

2002 year. The crash of two Indian IL-38 aircraft at an air show, anti-submarine squadron INAS 315. 12 people were killed. In return for the crashed cars, Russia provided two Il-38s for free.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Ancestors from the Don

The plane is not young | but reliable, made on the basis of the passenger IL-18, a total of several emergency situations were recorded:
1984 year. Accident on air. Nikolaevka, 77th OPLAP Air Force Pacific Fleet. Emergency cessation of take-off. The plane rolled out of the runway, received damage and was decommissioned. The crew was not injured.

1984 year. Asmara Airfield, Ethiopia. As a result of a separatist raid on the airfield, two IL-38s belonging to the 77th PLAF of the Air Force Pacific Fleet were destroyed, the crews were not injured.

1994 year. Accident on air. Severomorsk-1, 24th OPLAP Air Force SF. When landing in conditions of heavy snow and snow, the plane deviated from the landing course and collided with the ground. The crew died.

2002 year. The crash of two Indian IL-38 aircraft at an air show, anti-submarine squadron INAS 315. 12 people were killed. In return for the crashed cars, Russia provided two Il-38s for free.

When there are dead, this is a disaster.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

In return for the crashed cars, Russia provided two Il-38s for free.

We’ll have to give one more, because for sure there is a long repair ahead, and the ethical side ....

[iouris]

Well done. In such cases, as a rule, everything ends normally. Most likely, only the bow of the aircraft suffered a bit.

[Don]

And what does the Indians have to do with it? It is Soviet-made, piloted by our experienced pilots. The plane was repaired at our factory.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Donskoy

And what does the Indians have to do with it?

Only despite the fact that the Indian Air Force plane ...

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Donskoy

And what does the Indians have to do with it?

Really, what? Do you know that in India there are all religions of the world, and not just Hinduism?

[Don]

Do you know that space and time are interconnected and together form a space-time continuum? What does religion have to do with it?

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Donskoy

What does religion have to do with it?

That's exactly what it has to do with it. This question is for you.

[Graz]

if it was flown around after overhaul, then Ilyushin very big questions remain

[Aviator_]

After repairs, they always fly around, you need to know what it is now.

[bald]

Well, all is not the glory of God, and not the topic. Thanks to the pilots.

[Egorovich]

Well done pilots, the situation is unpleasant, but they successfully managed. And the plane did not disappoint, strong and obedient.

[Berkut154]

On the IL-18-20-38, the non-release of the front pillar is nonsense !!! Shields open accidentally with cables, from the stop, the front pillar comes out under its own weight and is pressed by the free stream. There is nothing to break .... sort of like ..

[Vovanfalcon]

Maybe the other way around? ... the stand is removed from the LOCK (and not the stop, because the stop is usually a "finger"), and falls out under its own weight, and the shutters are kinematically (rods) connected to the stand. Next, the oncoming stream presses and locks the released position. As an assumption, Ilya didn’t work, but usually such a scheme.

[Avis-bis]

IL-18, but I think the IL-38 is the same.

[Vovanfalcon]

Well, I was not mistaken))))))) ... only with the wings a little different scheme.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: VovanFalcon

Well, I was not mistaken

I did not write this. Just quoted.

[Vovanfalcon]

... I praised myself))))

[Avis-bis]

Ah, I understand now.

[Evil 55]

New or refurbished? In any case, considerable questions about the assembly and accessories ..

[Avis-bis]

Piramidon,

The mechanical opening of the suspension locks serves precisely to remove the chassis from the locks in case of their malfunction, and then the release mechanism should work further

It is believed that when the emergency (manual) release system is activated, nothing that usually participates in the release of the chassis does not work. On, say. The Yak-42, Tu-154, An-24 racks go out under their own weight and under the influence of the oncoming flow (this does not apply to the Tu-154, of course). On most modern aircraft, the nose stance is retracted forward, the main ones, if possible, also (on the screw). And, if the racks are retracted to the fuselage across the flight, then the axis of rotation of the racks sometimes slightly rotate relative to the longitudinal axis of the aircraft: again, so that the flow helps release. On some EMBRAERS, however, they put a spring just in case.

[UAZ 452]

The main thing is that the admiration for the professionalism of the pilots will not allow us to hush up the question: why, in fact, did not get the landing gear of the plane, which, as I understand it, was undergoing planned maintenance in Russia?
It is rightly said that heroism is most often necessary to correct someone’s sloppiness and incompetence. Therefore, after any feat there should be rewarding of heroes and punishment of those who made it necessary to accomplish this feat.

[UAZ 452]

The commander of the crew of the IL-38 aircraft, which successfully landed in Zhukovsky with an undisclosed front landing gear, was the honored test pilot of Russia, 73-year-old ace Vladimir Irinarkhov.

https://vz.ru/news/2018/4/29/920450.html?ut

With all due respect to the veteran, who has remained operational, is it SO bad with personnel in aviation?

[Doliva63]

In 73 - a test, bravo! In the 80s, we had a LII parking lot in our regiment, I didn’t meet anyone older than 50 (including ITS). In general, until the 90s there were no problems with pilots.