Pompeo reprimanded Turkish colleague for purchasing C-400

Yesterday, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo expressed his concern to Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet авavushoglu about Ankara’s decision to acquire the Russian C-400 anti-aircraft system, reports Interfax.

The Secretary of State stressed the serious level of US concern if they (the Turkish side) continue (this deal). He asked Cavusoglu to carefully evaluate the systems that can interact with NATO,

told a senior representative of the American delegation.

In turn, Cavusoglu said:

We discussed the C-400 topic with Pompeo. We told him that we needed these systems.

Earlier, NATO has repeatedly drawn the attention of Ankara to the fact that the Russian C-400 air defense systems are incompatible with the alliance’s weapons.

Recall, April 25 Head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of Russia Dmitry Shugaev said that the parties are currently discussing the possibility of producing components for C-400 in Turkey.

He noted that the first stage of the delivery of complexes to Turkey includes not only the shipment of equipment, but also “training Turkish specialists to work with it”, as well as “creating repair bases on the territory of this country”.

On April 3, about the time of his visit to Ankara, Vladimir Putin said that the question of the possibility of transferring C-400 production technologies to Turkey "lies in a commercial plane, not in a military-political one".

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[NEXUS]

It seems to me alone that Pompeo is like Trufaldino from Bergamo?

[NIKNN]

Pompeo reprimanded Turkish colleague

Another question excites me ... reprimand with an entry or something? ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: NIKNN

Another question excites me ... reprimand with an entry or something? ...

Yeah ... with calling parents to school ..

[NIKNN]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: NIKNN

Another question excites me ... reprimand with an entry or something? ...

Yeah ... with calling parents to school ..

[Tatyana]

Recall, on April 25, the Head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of Russia Dmitry Shugaev said that the parties are currently discussing the possibility of PRODUCTION OF ACCESSORIES for the S-400 in Turkey.

Something that reminds me of the WITHOUT INTERMEDIATE transfer of advanced Russian weapons technologies to Turkey! By the way, it reminds professional military experts as well.
And speaking of Turkey, as a historically loyal Russian "partner", I generally keep quiet!

In general, I am in great doubt about the correctness of such a deal, and some military experts, too. But, as they say, “above” is more visible.
However, if someday the head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of Russia Dmitry Shugaev is accused of betrayal, it will be too late to restore the preservation of the previous level of national security of Russia.

[just exp]

What do you think the word "components" means?

[Tatyana]

just exp (just exp)
What do you think the word "components" means?

When I worked as a designer at a light industry enterprise, we had Japanese equipment for which Japan supplied us with special working knives for gold as components. After 2 years, deliveries ceased. And with them, and expensive Japanese equipment could be thrown into a landfill. If Japanese knives worked and were replaced after 6 months, then our knives, constructively made with Japanese knives, worked 1 day. The problem was with the chem. the composition of the steel of Japanese knives, which is not produced in our country. the guys in their workshop turned to me as a rationalizer. Well, I had experience in design work in the military-industrial complex and I remained in contact with specialist technologists. They supplied me with working literature, identified chemists in their laboratories. the composition of the "Japanese" steel and its physical characteristics. And I picked up our domestic steel for knives with the necessary mode of heat treatment of parts. And only then did we reach the same operating parameters of knives as the Japanese. And before that, our country paid the Japanese for them in gold.

What are the components for the S-400, I do not know. However, their production in Turkey implies a uniquely similar transfer of detailed design drawings and detailed technology for their manufacture. Then Turkey can upgrade their production to its conditions and pass it off as its know-how.

[venik]

Quote: Tatiana

And I picked up our domestic steel for knives with the necessary mode of heat treatment of parts.

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Let's not confuse "God's gift" with fried eggs !!
As for the metal - I understand you perfectly! He himself once graduated from the physics department with a degree in physics of metals and metal science ...
But SAM - the system is WHERE more complicated !!! You’ve been messing around with the “knives” for a long time, and here is a construction that not only the Chinese - the Yankees could not copy !!!!
Yes Yes!! S-300 (I don’t remember in what modification, in my opinion - PS or PM) was sold to the Chinese, so until now they have not been able to "clone" it !!! "Analog", which they managed to reproduce - still inferior 300 cams !!! You think, why did they need the S-400 after that ?? Yes, and in large quantities ???
"Yankees" - also .... The fact that they got it is still sorted out CAN NOT!
And these are not jokes and not fancy!!!
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Now, about the "components" .... Do you really think that some "CRITICAL" technologies will transfer them? Yeah - right now !! Any blocks, electric motors - yes! Probably they will give, but something REALLY serious ........

[vladimirasha]

This is the most important rocket manufacture. Well, no one is selling these technologies.

[Samosad]

Look in YouTube, where the S-300 developer talked about selling this complex to foreigners ... In short, even Chinese copiers of equipment will need decades, since the microcircuits were created (and protected) in the Russian Federation, and most importantly, the software, but it is protected on all 100% of theft ... I think you guess how ..

[mvg]

How is the software protected, HASP delivered, or tied to the configuration? Something I did not meet 100% protected software. Before that, the Chinese opened both the Patriots and Krotali, I do not think it is easier there.

[Samosad]

I do not know how protected (if I knew I would not say)))!
There is protected software, though you can make it unprotected)))), but when you do it, * software * is already not needed!

[venik]

Quote: mvg

Before that, the Chinese opened both the Patriots and Krotali, I do not think it is easier there.

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Well, about the "patriots" - I haven’t heard something ..... It seems that you, my friend, use "unverified gossip" ....
And here is Krotal - EXACTLY copied!
But to compare the "rattle" with the S-300 and even more so with the S-400, well, you know ... Well, it’s about the same as comparing a bicycle with a BMW of the latest series ...

Quote: mvg

Something I did not meet 100% protected software.

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So what??? I also did not see the ZAS (classified communications equipment), which would provide 100% protection ... The whole problem is that to decrypt the intercepted message you often need several years of "machine time" ... And this means that by the time of decryption " shattered "information - it will be a long time ago no one needs !!!

[mvg]

HQ-9, look at his rockets. Something was taken from Patriot, something from SAMP-T. Radar from the S-300.
What does the ZAS have to do with it, we don’t want to transmit anything, we don’t care what’s on the other end, we need the program code and that’s it. And the ability to edit it .. They will open it with a bang.

[alex3075]

There is a video where Efremov (Ch. Constructor C300) said that the United States bought the C300, but could not parse the algorithm. I'm not special, I don’t know what it is.

[Tusv]

Quote: Tatiana

Something that reminds me of the WITHOUT INTERMEDIATE transfer of advanced Russian weapons technologies to Turkey! By the way, it reminds professional military experts as well.

In fact, the Chinese won the tender. Well, they would definitely transfer our technology for free and FIG. We would ban them in the case of a faq, and at least some kind of gesheft
And believe the Turks. So the Yankees do not believe them even once. Patriots exclusively on a rotational basis, without the admission of the Turks from the word completely

[Tatyana]

Quote: Tusv

And believe the Turks. So the Yankees do not believe them even once. Patriots exclusively on a rotational basis, without the admission of the Turks from the word completely

Well, why then in Russia did the military “peddlers” regarding Turkey spread their “ears” and spread their pockets for the gesheft? If even the Americans never categorically transfer the technology of the entire production chain of anything into one hand - one country. Never!
In addition, Turkey is a NATO country.

All this is strange.

[Tusv]

Quote: Tatiana

In addition, Turkey is a NATO country.

Tanyush. Turkey Our neighbor, first of all. And the neighbors. Either we wet, or we agree. But why are we an enemy at the gate?
Moreover, the turkish will not cook porridge with us. The straits are rightfully strong and can overcome

[Tatyana]

Vladimir! I understand that you want to reassure me. However, I also read information from other sources.
Here, for example, is the latest data.
Turkey in defiance of Moscow agreed with the United States on joint action in Syria.

Turkey will operate in Syrian Manbij together with the United States. Moreover: the “Manbij model” will be extended to other parts of Syria. In particular, in the area east of the Euphrates River. About it on Friday, April 27, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said following talks with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Cavusoglu announced that Turkey is simultaneously considering a “lucrative proposal” to purchase Patriot air defense systems from the United States.
In the triangle "USA-Turkey-Russia" - Ankara makes another foreign policy zigzag. She played on the side of the Kremlin, gained access to the agricultural market of the Russian Federation. And now, abandoning the S-400, most likely, will refuse from the "Turkish stream".
Earlier, Erdogan’s plans were contrary to the strategy of the United States, which considers the Kurds to be the agents of their influence in Syria. The odds looked serious. As early as April 22, the Turkish leader, in an interview with NTV, said that his country's strategic partner, the United States, posed a threat to Turkey, as it provided military support to the Kurds. And now a few days later the situation changed. Cavusoglu gives a signal that a compromise between the US and Turkey has been reached. And this was apparently done at the cost of another “stab in the back" to Moscow.
Russian military experts consider Russia's policy towards Turkey not entirely strategically adequate - politically and economically unprofitable.
In general, the article is large, it’s better to read it yourself!

See Andrey Polunin "Erdogan again hit Putin in the back" from 28.04.2018/21/199116 - http://svpressa.ru/war1/article/XNUMX/?cba=XNUMX

[Amurets]

Quote: Tatiana

In addition, Turkey is a NATO country.

Greece is also a NATO country, but it does have a S-300PMU-1.
“A very significant event for the Greeks,” the diplomat said. “The rocket launched from the proving ground on the Greek island of Crete immediately hit the training target, so the second one wasn’t even fired. But another thing is equally important: firstly, this is the first shooting at NATO our system C-300 PMU1, secondly, this system was originally acquired in 1999 by Cyprus, and 14 years of expectations didn’t do anything with it.In 2006-2007, the rights to the system passed from Cyprus to Greece because Ankara did not wanted her to appear in Cyprus. "
https://topwar.ru/37356-greciya-uspeshno-provela-
pervye-strelby-iz-zrk-s-300-pmu1.html

[bazzbazz]

A reprimand with the introduction of revolution in Turkey. They will not punish, they just change the leadership)

[NIKNN]

Quote: bazzbazz

A reprimand with the introduction of revolution in Turkey. They will not punish, they just change the leadership)

It was not forgiven ... but I don’t believe the Turks, and the United States ... well, do not respect yourself ...

[Kurare]

Quote: NIKNN

Pompeo reprimanded Turkish colleague

Another question excites me ... reprimand with an entry or something? ...

Last "Chinese warning." How then to teach Turkey a lesson if it is impossible to turn off air defense systems?

[NIKNN]

Quote: Kurare

Last "Chinese warning." How then to teach Turkey a lesson if it is impossible to turn off air defense systems?

There everything is easier. The mentality allows you to buy, to learn them from history.

[venik]

Quote: Kurare

How then to teach Turkey a lesson if it is impossible to turn off air defense systems?

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And WHO, actually told you this? Well, if they are "Patriots" - they will buy - then - YES !! It will be difficult to "cut down" - you have to tinker with ....
But if they will use the well-known systems - then everything will be EASIER !!! For - THOSE WHO CREATED THE SYSTEM - BETTER THAN OTHERS KNOW HOW TO "DAMP" IT ...
In addition, the "export" version - it is export!!! From the "base" can differ very seriously!

[ALEXXX1983]

That quote refers to the United States, not the Russian Federation.

[Kurare]

Quote: venik

Well, if they are "Patriots" - they will buy - then - YES !!

I was the Patriots that I had in mind. Erdogan teeters on the verge of being overthrown. And this is not about Russia, but about "friends" from NATO.

[volodya]

Quote: NIKNN

Pompeo reprimanded Turkish colleague

Another question excites me ... reprimand with an entry or something? ...

Grinded! There are no normal diplomats in the west!

[NIKNN]

Damn, you can’t argue ...

[Slovak]

But Cavusoglu did not send Pompeo to the ass?

[Lelek]

Quote: NIKNN

Another question excites me ... reprimand with an entry or something ?.

You laugh in vain. A Turk is a Turk, he is like a weather vane (you will not sell Patriots, we will buy S-400, the blackmail has worked - we are buying Patriots). Believe the Turk - get a scimitar around your neck at any time.

[Hire]

Earlier, NATO has repeatedly drawn the attention of Ankara to the fact that the Russian C-400 air defense systems are incompatible with the alliance’s weapons.

So the Turks are precisely why they are being bought. Well, that’s why ...

[ALEXXX1983]

Quote: Hire

Earlier, NATO has repeatedly drawn the attention of Ankara to the fact that the Russian C-400 air defense systems are incompatible with the alliance’s weapons.

So the Turks are precisely why they are being bought. Well, that’s why ...

And for me - with NATO aircraft are perfectly compatible.

[RASKAT]

Well, the more US diplomats throw such fortels, the Turkey is further away from them. So you look and leave NATO.

[Tusv]

Quote: NEXUS

It seems to me alone that Pompeo is like Trufaldino from Bergamo?

Andryukha did not fall. The GRU with the FSB may be offended. Everyone knows that Trufaldino is a servant of two masters:
"We stun the enemy with a sword and again we defeat as usual"

[Lord of the Sith]

It’s a pity the video was not posted on the video where Ahmet авavuşo переlu asks again: “Which S-400 complexes should be abandoned, the new ones? We have not agreed on new ones, but those that were previously agreed are already paid and are being manufactured at the factory.”

[Nychego]

Quote: NEXUS

It seems to me alone that Pompeo is like Trufaldino from Bergamo?

“The Servant of the Two Masters” Erdogan is much more successful. He accepted for himself the installation that the Russians would forgive everything for their desire to sell gas and weapons, so you can play these two cards, at the same time having preferences from amers (for example, permission to at least partially kill the SDS Kurds) and in Syria a controlled piece.

[alex-cn]

Well, naturally, a reprimand with an entry. How many overseas billions are lost on this? And, besides, a precedent!

[Uncle lee]

production technologies S-400

pass to NATO member!? I would beware.

[Eduard petrov]

Quote: Uncle Lee

production technologies S-400

pass to NATO member!? I would beware.

This is our friend and partner! We will let him even sell tomatoes!

[APASUS]

The Turks will now try to play on disagreements. Turk as a partner is very weak, it’s more like a fellow traveler

[Kurare]

The strong - make their own policy, the weak - either go in the wake, or simply lie under the strong. Turks are not strong, but not weak. They just bargain well ... Although, after an attempted coup, if you do not become strong, then they will devour the proto.

[Livonetc]

"Russian S-400 air defense systems are incompatible with the weapons of the alliance."
It’s they who do not know how to cook (apply) them yet.
And how it will be revealed in the process that F35 is still compatible (applicable), the long-term plans for the purchase of aviation equipment will also be called into question.

[Warrior-80]

Technology transfer, I think busting. Turks, too, as in the animated film "will not be enough"

[Vitaly Anisimov]

He asked Cavusoglu to carefully evaluate the systems that can interact with NATO,

They will normally "interact" .. hehe heh First they will be soaked if something serious happens! They have such systems in our country, they do not like competition .. And they are terribly jealous, like our Russian women ..))))

[Corsair0304]

Well, it would be strange if the mattresses were silent about this. They will, with the tenacity of down-woodpeckers, repeat their concern over and over about how Turkey made a wrong geopolitical choice. Cooking matchsticks, count how many times the stripes “take care and worry”

[Nikolaevich I]

Pompeo reprimanded a Turkish colleague ......

[Kleber]

Well, if the United States inserts a reprimand to a member of the alliance for the purchase of the S-400, then the Americans know everything about the S-400.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Kleber

then the Americans know everything about the S-400 ...

... or don't rely too much on a "member of the alliance" who ...

Quote: Kleber

... inserts a reprimand to a member ...

[Amurets]

Quote: Kleber

Well, if the United States inserts a reprimand to a member of the alliance for the purchase of the S-400, then the Americans know everything about the S-400.

A major expert on our air defense systems is Senator McCain, and those US Air Force pilots who shot down during the Vietnam War are one thing. They respect our air defense. And secondly, do you really think that the export of air defense systems and air defense systems for their own army is the same thing?

[askort154]

The S-400 is becoming a weapon to deter coups, even in NATO countries. Everyone learned US tactics - the first and main blow, always from the air. The big puncture in the United States is an attempted coup, even in the NATO country. As a result, the turn is a dozen countries for the purchase of S-400.

[high]

Turkey decided to act in Syria with the United States
Turkey will operate in Syrian Manbij together with the United States. This was stated by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the country Mevlut Cavusoglu.
Ankara is considering a “profitable proposal” to purchase Patriot air defense systems from the United States.
Sitting on two chairs ...

[Kleber]

Quote: alta

Turkey decided to act in Syria with the United States
Turkey will operate in Syrian Manbij together with the United States. This was stated by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the country Mevlut Cavusoglu.
Ankara is considering a “profitable proposal” to purchase Patriot air defense systems from the United States.

Let them buy .... Turks people see the rich, so that museum trash from the United States to buy.

[Olga Donovina]

Pindocenyshy - with shoes in a hawalik in strict accordance with the norms of international law in order to calm down his grasping reflexes.

[izya top]

Vladimir Putin said that the question of the possibility of transferring S-400 production technologies to Turkey "lies in the commercial plane, and not in the military-political"

fucked up ?! Technology is not a product

[demo]

Earlier, NATO has repeatedly drawn the attention of Ankara to the fact that the Russian C-400 air defense systems are incompatible with the alliance’s weapons.
Upon completion of testing a new long-range missile, the complex will be able to hit aerodynamic targets at ranges of up to 400 km and tactical ballistic targets at ranges of up to 60 km flying at a speed of up to 4,8 km / s: cruise missiles, tactical and strategic aircraft, maneuvering ballistic warheads rockets. The early detection radar provides a detection range of up to 600 km. Missiles can hit low-flying targets at a height of 5 m (for comparison: the American Patriot complex is capable of hitting targets only at a height of at least 100 m). It is possible to use several types of missiles with different launch weight and launch range, which allows you to create a layered defense.

According to the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force, "they are able to effectively repulse massive air raids of modern air attack weapons in conditions of intense electronic suppression and to carry out a combat mission in various weather conditions."

Well, who said that our system is not compatible with the NATO?
Even as combined.
They launch their facilities, and our system combines them to complete disability.
And then, the fog started. But the Turks began to think!
Do not dampen the Turks.