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Americans predicted the future fate of "Tomahawks" in Russia

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American Tomahawk cruise missiles intercepted into the SAR and delivered to Moscow are waiting for a “fate worse than death,” experts from Popular Mechanics say.


Americans predicted the future fate of "Tomahawks" in Russia


Recently, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation presented the wreckage of missiles fired by the United States, Britain and France on the Syrian objects 14 April. Among them was the American Tomahawk rocket, which did not reach the target due to a malfunction.

The experts tried to predict the fate of the ammunition, noting that they should not be taken “at face value” by the statements of the Russian military on this issue.

According to them, the real value of the captured missiles is that, having studied weapon the enemy, the Russian specialists will learn to destroy it.

There are some pieces of military equipment in a modern rocket that a smart enemy can use for his own purposes,
write authors.

They believe that the captured missiles will act as "guinea pigs" on test benches. The Russians will try to thoroughly study the commands of the missile guidance system.

This first assessment is only the beginning of the long "death" of a captive rocket,
leads publication RIA News.

Further testing may continue for many years and, ultimately, lead to the “suicidal death” of the weapon.

The ongoing battle between American and Russian developers of military equipment will continue. Also like the nightmares of captured guided missiles,
conclude the experts.
Photos used:
RIA Novosti / Igor Yermachenkov
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 28 2018 10: 03
    +22
    They admitted that the two missiles were still in good condition for study ...
    This first assessment is only the beginning of the long "death" of a captive rocket,

    It’s direct, as they say about the hero of Vietnam ... although these missiles killed so many people around the world that the number of people has already exceeded one million a long time ago.
    1. Strips
      Strips April 28 2018 10: 06
      +17
      Who recognized?
      Popular Mechanics experts?

      So the rockets were whole? Or are they already almost whole? Or in good condition to study?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 28 2018 10: 08
        +12
        Quote: Tiras
        Or in good condition to study?

        Quote: NEXUS
        two missiles were still in good condition to study ...

        Otherwise, even a conversation would not be raised on this topic.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas April 28 2018 10: 15
          +12
          This first assessment is only the beginning of the long "death" of a captive rocket,


          In fact, problems are outlined for the manufacturer with high costs,
          will have to change what can be revealed by our experts.

          For example, if the rocket has a friend or foe system
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 28 2018 11: 01
            +25
            just the beginning of a long "death" of a captured rocket,
            How can p.ogany’s language distort everything like that? We gave them political asylum and guard as well as our missiles ... here we’ll treat them for free, teach them to speak Russian ... the rest will envy them ...
            1. Forcecom
              Forcecom April 28 2018 12: 06
              +10
              Yeah, and send back to the place of registration :) in the company with your :)
          2. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter April 28 2018 11: 07
            +5
            I agree with the mattresses that these missiles are an object of scrutiny with all the consequences for the United States. You might think that they have a different attitude to the samples falling into them.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. April 28 2018 11: 16
              +3
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              You would think that they otherwise refer to the samples falling into them.
              They may not be otherwise, but why mine the wreckage when the potential enemy himself is happy to sell everything ...
              Director General of the state corporation “Rostec” Sergey Chemezov admitted the possibility of selling US C-400 Russian air defense systems. He stated this in an interview with the American newspaper The Washington Post.
              According to the head of Rostec, the complexes have unique characteristics, and many countries would like to have such weapons.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter April 28 2018 11: 21
                +4
                Sergei hi
                Your quote may indicate that the S-500 is already on the verge of a series, or that someone really has money in hotz. Depending on the fidelity of the options, interpretations of current events are possible.
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. April 28 2018 11: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  that C-500 is already on the verge of a series
                  Pavel, so maybe the “Ax” of 2 or which is also on the verge of a series. As the saying goes, "Alexander the Great was also a great commander," but why break the “stools,” why sworn friends to sell what they themselves have so little, that way, let C-500 buy it, maybe already with us 600 has engendered ...
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter April 28 2018 11: 55
                    +3
                    I do not argue - without saturation of their aircraft, there is no need to get involved in supplies to adversaries. But those at the top have their thoughts on this. And they are of little concern to our opinion. sad
        2. kipod
          kipod April 28 2018 10: 31
          +6
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Tiras
          Or in good condition to study?

          Quote: NEXUS
          two missiles were still in good condition to study ...

          Otherwise, even a conversation would not be raised on this topic.

          a conversation?
          the conversation is raised exclusively in.
          Where are the photos of rockets at least in the least digestible condition?
          Where are the photos of the shot down missiles?
          only the blind do not laugh at the bullshit presented by the RF Ministry of Defense.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 28 2018 10: 34
            +22
            Quote: kipod
            Where are the photos of rockets at least in the least digestible condition?

            But why should you provide rockets when they are being studied? You as a child - give, give, give ...
            1. Strips
              Strips April 28 2018 10: 46
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              But why should you provide rockets when they are being studied?


              To show what Syria has good air defense and what Americans have bad missiles.

              This is PR and MO, which made a whole presentation of the wreckage and without showing the missiles that were handed over for research just shows that maybe VO does not have those same missiles.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 28 2018 10: 52
                +15
                Quote: Tiras
                To show Syria what good air defense is and what Americans have bad missiles

                Listen, well, to all interested services the results of this missile strike and intercepts are already known. Why this cheap bravado?
                Quote: Tiras
                and MO, which made a whole show

                For people like you, ours, even if it showed all to one intercepted missiles, including whole ones, would still not matter. At the same time, I am sure they would say that these missiles are not from Syria at all. So what difference does it show you or not?
                Quote: Tiras
                that perhaps VO does not have those same missiles.

                It will probably be clear to you, according to the results of further interceptions of axes.
                1. NIKNN
                  NIKNN April 28 2018 11: 06
                  +13
                  Andrei. hi Do not help them earn their bread, they have to pay for every reaction to their nonsense. So to say, piece-rate premium ... In addition to stupidly asking for a photo, they can come up with nothing. And we are a modest girl, we don’t give photos to all the swindlers ... repeat
                  1. kipod
                    kipod April 28 2018 11: 28
                    +3
                    Quote: NIKNN
                    . In addition to stupidly asking for a photo, they can come up with nothing.

                    indeed, we stupidly ask for a photo, and you stupidly demand to take your word for it-- laughing
                    In your inverted world - of course the stupid one who requires proof.
                    Quote: NIKNN
                    And we are a modest girl, we don’t give photos to all the swindlers ..

                    and right
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS April 28 2018 11: 39
                      +11
                      Quote: kipod
                      we stupidly ask for a photo,

                      You can stupidly ask for a photo even before turning blue ..
                      Quote: kipod
                      and you stupidly demand to take your word for it--

                      Require? Honestly, violet believe us or not.
                      Quote: kipod
                      In your inverted world - of course the stupid one who requires proof.

                      This is said by a person who confused reality. You are sick, from which planet to us?
                    2. Igor V
                      Igor V April 28 2018 12: 02
                      +10
                      Quote: kipod

                      indeed, we stupidly ask for a photo, and you stupidly demand to take your word for it-- laughing

                      For questions of faith, contact the appropriate organizations.
                      Quote: kipod

                      In your inverted world, of course, the one who requires proof is stupid.]

                      Are you talking about the Skripals or about the chemical attack?
                      1. NIKNN
                        NIKNN April 28 2018 12: 10
                        +8
                        Quote: Igor V
                        Are you talking about the Skripals or about the chemical attack?

                        I doubt that he knows about this and that ... His mission is limited to the instruction to shout, give a photo ... request
                2. bulvas
                  bulvas April 28 2018 11: 07
                  +9
                  Quote: kipod

                  the conversation is raised exclusively in.

                  This article discusses an American magazine article

                  Quote: kipod

                  Where are the photos of rockets at least in the least digestible condition?
                  Where are the photos of the shot down missiles?
                  only the blind do not laugh at the bullshit presented by the RF Ministry of Defense.


                  photo of missiles was published by the Ministry of Defense
                  they laugh only on the site of the Israeli Channel 9 ("bullshit" is just the style of discussions from Israeli resources),

                  the Americans who lost these missiles do not laugh, but talk about the long and painful death of their missiles, because they now have to work and change systems, bear the costs
                  the Israelis have nothing to do with these missiles, cling to the owner’s foot
                  1. kipod
                    kipod April 28 2018 11: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: bulvas
                    photo of missiles was published by MO,

                    funny in these debris?
                    These are downed rockets belay
                    Quote: bulvas
                    the Americans who lost these missiles don't laugh

                    they are just laughing.
                    You’re just not watching enemy channels in American.
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas April 28 2018 11: 17
                      +9
                      Quote: kipod
                      Quote: bulvas
                      photo of missiles was published by MO,

                      funny in these debris?
                      These are downed rockets belay
                      Quote: bulvas
                      the Americans who lost these missiles don't laugh

                      they are just laughing.
                      You’re just not watching enemy channels in American.


                      Why should I believe you?
                      All your representatives have never once told the truth, which would be confirmed

                      Nonsense and demagoguery
                      As for the "Americans laugh" read about the "long and painful death of the rockets" and calm down, go hang up noodles on 9tv.co.il, there they will pour you pluses
                3. Solomon Kane
                  Solomon Kane April 28 2018 11: 11
                  +7
                  Back in 1958, during the war between China and Taiwan, the USSR managed to get the only AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air guided missile that was stuck and did not detonate in the belly of the MIG-17. The Americans did not believe either. Our military specialists studied this missile and based on it created the R-3C, in an improved revision.
                4. kipod
                  kipod April 28 2018 11: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Listen, well, to all interested services the results of this missile strike and intercepts are already known. Why this cheap bravado?

                  indeed, everyone who needs to know and the Pentagon has stated unequivocally that no missile has been intercepted.
                  Refute the facts?
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  For people like you, ours, even if it showed all to one intercepted missiles, including whole ones, would still not matter

                  and you show, and we will see - it is important or not.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  So what difference does it show you or not?


                  Quote: NEXUS
                  It will probably be clear to you, according to the results of further interceptions of axes.

                  further - they didn’t show a single ax from the first blow - they evaporated somewhere, did not show a single knocked down ax from the second blow.
                  do not use the words - further - maybe it means the fact that there were previous intercepts.
                  Do you know how a fact differs from an empty chatter?
                  The fact has an evidence base.
                  So the fact of interception today - no.
                  There is no proof of this. request
                  1. Soho
                    Soho April 28 2018 11: 34
                    +9
                    kipod Today, 11:22 ↑
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Listen, well, to all interested services the results of this missile strike and intercepts are already known. Why this cheap bravado?
                    indeed, everyone who needs to know and the Pentagon has stated unequivocally that no missile has been intercepted.
                    Refute the facts?

                    you and your fellow tribesmen smash your foreheads for days and nights about הַכֹּתֶל הַמַעֲרָבִי, but you don’t hear anything hysterical cries demanding proof of the presence or absence of the Most High. What set you on fire so now from below? laughing
                  2. NEXUS
                    NEXUS April 28 2018 11: 41
                    +6
                    Quote: kipod
                    There is no proof of this.

                    I repeat, you can count as you like. That's honest, generally do not care what conclusions you draw. I am sure that Massad has much greater reasons to believe or not to believe.
                  3. NG inform
                    NG inform April 29 2018 22: 34
                    -1
                    The Americans have already recognized that some missiles were shot down.
              2. kirgiz58
                kirgiz58 April 28 2018 11: 18
                +7
                Quote: Tiras
                This is PR and MO, which made a whole presentation of the wreckage and without showing the missiles that were handed over for research just shows that maybe VO does not have those same missiles.

                This a.merzots show that they do not have (test tubes, frames of "white helmets"). We are fundamentally different from them: we do not show what we have. tongue Feel the difference, no-no. wink
            2. kipod
              kipod April 28 2018 11: 16
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              But why should you provide rockets when they are being studied?

              iron logic laughing
              Quote: NEXUS
              You as a child - give, give, give ..

              When you are dealing with the transfer of a guest to a fairy tale, there is nothing else left. wink
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 28 2018 11: 43
                +9
                Quote: kipod
                iron logic

                And excuse me, why do you, as a layman, provide evidence to our Defense Ministry? So that you stop doubting and stupidly jerking here? And what's the point of doing this for our Defense Ministry? I am sure that Massad, MI6, the CIA have long been known to everyone.
            3. 22 dmdc
              22 dmdc April 28 2018 13: 17
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              You are like a child -

              only "dignity" hangs to the knee.
          2. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian April 28 2018 10: 41
            +2
            that I decided with questions that the RF Ministry of Defense will not answer you for sure, reassure myself?)))) shout, hysteria, you will suddenly convince yourself that not everything is lost and the Anglo-Saxons with the Semites can continue to mow the world with impunity
          3. Alex_Rarog
            Alex_Rarog April 28 2018 10: 49
            +3
            What the hell is a rocket for you? It’s not clear that it’s better to study it. In fact, even a piece of skin can be an important object of study! Especially for the further development of air defense.
          4. astepanov
            astepanov April 28 2018 10: 56
            +5
            Do you believe that a missile shot down or simply not exploded will remain even without scratches? Tell us again that grapes are sour, that these missiles - like the Crimean bridge, are made at Mosfilm. They will believe you - but not here.
          5. Alexey-74
            Alexey-74 April 28 2018 11: 07
            +4
            how do you love your American "partners" .... do you think they are not able to do it ?? lol
          6. helmi8
            helmi8 April 28 2018 11: 18
            +7
            Quote: kipod
            Where are the photos of rockets at least in the least digestible condition?
            Where are the photos of the shot down missiles?

            The answer in your style is everything. But this is secret data and they will not be shown to you. Arranged? Anyway - with what fright report to you? And I believe - I do not believe this to a camomile, maybe she will tell ...
        3. Leeds
          Leeds April 28 2018 19: 22
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Tiras
          Or in good condition to study?

          Quote: NEXUS
          two missiles were still in good condition to study ...

          Otherwise, even a conversation would not be raised on this topic.


          What else do you know about this affiliate edition?))
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 28 2018 10: 25
        +6
        So the rockets were whole? Or are they already almost whole? Or in good condition to study?
        Tiras, haven’t you been tired about the same week? How do you not want “smart and beautiful” missiles to fall into Russia. Constantly demanding some evidence.
        1. kipod
          kipod April 28 2018 10: 32
          +4
          Quote: rotmistr60
          ? How do you not want “smart and beautiful” missiles to fall into Russia. Constantly demanding some evidence.

          Well, smart missiles fall exclusively on smart ones, but smart proofs are not necessary.
          They take a word. lol
          1. Vard
            Vard April 28 2018 10: 38
            +11
            What is interesting ... you need ... and you are laying the evidence on us ... You have this national ...
        2. Strips
          Strips April 28 2018 10: 54
          +2
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Tiras, haven’t you been tired about the same week? How do you not want “smart and beautiful” missiles to fall into Russia. Constantly demanding some evidence.


          It’s just so much in the press, on TV they said that there are rockets, other fragments showed, and most importantly they don’t.

          Yes, I still got these missiles or not, the trust in the Defense Ministry that has fallen after the fake photos just now drops even lower.


      3. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely April 28 2018 11: 18
        +3
        Well mother! Inhuman Russians want to torture defenseless rockets to death! Hey, human rights defenders! Where are the new sanctions ????
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky April 28 2018 11: 56
          +2
          Inhuman Russians want to torture defenseless rockets to death!

          Now they will offer to exchange for someone. laughing
      4. Dead duck
        Dead duck April 28 2018 12: 30
        +4
        Quote: Tiras
        Who recognized?

        American couch experts, who else!? ...
        They made a call to us, we urgently need to prepare our sofas for battle! laughing
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 28 2018 10: 06
      +7
      Well ... After McLaren and Greenie-Judah, it was the turn of Amer’s "partners" ... laughing
    3. novel66
      novel66 April 28 2018 10: 08
      +7
      in general, it’s strange, though subsonic speed, but to crash to the ground and not fall apart, they put them chtoli ..
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 28 2018 10: 10
        +9
        Quote: novel xnumx
        in general, it’s strange, though subsonic speed, but to crash to the ground and not fall apart, they put them chtoli ..

        I see no reason that this did not have a place to be. In the end, the very same Beauty in Syria is not for decoration.
      2. Thrall
        Thrall April 28 2018 10: 14
        +7
        Quote: novel xnumx
        planted them chtoli ..

        Brought down however smile
    4. Zubr
      Zubr April 28 2018 10: 10
      +3
      With a pale look .. smile And where do they go.
    5. himRa
      himRa April 28 2018 10: 10
      +7
      Clever, and even captive, terrible and long death!
      Is it about rocket wreckage?
      Or their people hawala or highly artistic translation of the article laughing
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 28 2018 10: 19
        +4
        Quote: himRa
        Clever, and even captive, terrible and long death!
        Is it about rocket wreckage?

        This is about the fate of the autopilot. smile
        And after torture he will be sent to Siberia - to extract uranium with a kyle.
        1. Sergey-svs
          Sergey-svs April 28 2018 10: 22
          +8
          Quote: himRa
          Clever, and even captive, terrible and long death!
          Is it about rocket wreckage?
          Or their people hawala or translation of the article highly artistic laughing

          These terrible and evil Russians "tortured to death" two peaceful American missiles! What kind of Russians are all the same bloodthirsty savages ... belay It's time to introduce new sanctions against Russia! For the ill-treatment of peaceful missiles and where does the world community only look? !!! lol
          PS But, now, Trump can proudly say that his “smart” missiles still hit Russia ... laughing
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 April 28 2018 11: 30
            0
            Quote: Sergey-svs
            These terrible and evil Russians "tortured to death" two peaceful American missiles!

            And if they still read a fairy tale about a brave soldier, they will generally accuse of cannibalism, they will say that we live from their tomahawks cooked porridge. laughing
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 28 2018 10: 04
    +4
    Shoigu tomorrow will hand them over in color! fool D, B! !!! fool fool Dumb country, and dumb conclusions! !! fool
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 28 2018 10: 12
      +3
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Shoigu tomorrow will hand them over in color! fool D, B! !!! fool fool Dumb country, and dumb conclusions! !! fool

      This is definitely Vitalyevich ..! These axes do not represent any special value to us. We all know what is needed for a long time! They’ll just check again what we had and our air defense will slightly correct for the future hehe This is all a simple PR, for Westerners bully
      1. Kurare
        Kurare April 28 2018 10: 30
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        These axes do not represent any special value to us.

        Axes are also being modernized, maybe some new and interesting solutions can be picked up.
        Quote: MIKHAN
        This is all a simple PR, for Westerners

        This "PR" is just what is needed, as the Pentagon directly announces, which stated that all missiles have achieved their goals. Descrediting the products of a potential competitor in the arms market is not the last thing.
  3. Storming the Washington
    Storming the Washington April 28 2018 10: 05
    +3
    and so it is clear laughing put it on the red square next to the rusty fluffs of the Napoleonic army soldier kinked myrikos pyrimog ad intendedbully
  4. himRa
    himRa April 28 2018 10: 05
    +3
    Fate is unenviable!
    Adnaka all new is well forgotten old ..
    Straight experts to mold human qualities to the piece of iron, to the fight of the sword and shield! FUNNY laughing
    1. bulvas
      bulvas April 28 2018 10: 12
      +3
      Quote: himRa
      Straight experts to mold human qualities to the piece of iron, to the fight of the sword and shield! FUNNY


      Trump set such a trend, they repeat after him, I liked, apparently, Trump's “beautiful and smart”
  5. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 April 28 2018 10: 07
    +3
    They believe that the captured missiles will act as "guinea pigs" on test benches. The Russians will try to thoroughly study the commands of the missile guidance system.

    Analytics Level - 80 lvl laughing laughing laughing
    No, damn it, put up in the museum and enjoy the debris!
    1. Kurare
      Kurare April 28 2018 10: 32
      +4
      They expose them as living creatures: “experimental rabbits”, “long death” ... It seems like “our poor little fluffy and smart little ones”, uti-ways, fell into the hands of murderers and villains. laughing But this has its own intention: the evil Russians are killing our "animals."
  6. novel66
    novel66 April 28 2018 10: 07
    +3
    right now Trump can demand extradition back, dove of peace. you know ...
    1. eugraphus
      eugraphus April 28 2018 10: 13
      +3
      In 2008, Americans demanded the return of captured American equipment from the Georgians.
      1. novel66
        novel66 April 28 2018 10: 14
        +2
        well, and returned? or talked about the irreparable loss?
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 April 28 2018 10: 31
      +4
      Shaw then striped on the lyrics pulled? Straight drama epic draw!
      1. novel66
        novel66 April 28 2018 10: 32
        +2
        somewhere they became upset. tight chest creates drama lol
  7. cedar
    cedar April 28 2018 10: 09
    +2
    And we can have thrown us a specially deadlock technology. Behind these bisexuals you need an eye and an eye and an ear ...
    1. himRa
      himRa April 28 2018 10: 18
      +5
      Quote: cedar
      And we can have thrown us a specially deadlock technology. Behind these bisexuals you need an eye and an eye and an ear ...

      Sort it out!
      Even here in VO the right conclusions and real forecasts are made .... not talking about the analysts of the Moscow Defense Ministry! Which incidentally are not public people (my son immediately deleted the account and threw the smart one out! wink )
      it is clear that they will work out all the options if this takes place!
      No panic, dear! drinks
      1. cedar
        cedar April 28 2018 11: 31
        0
        Thank you, dear, reassured. I sleep and nightmares do not dream.
  8. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 28 2018 10: 11
    +4
    Another consequence is the Americans' expenses for improving or changing critical components and elements of a rocket. Interestingly, but "friend or foe" is there? If it is, then there will be huge expenses for leveling the threat from the possible opening of this system.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic April 28 2018 10: 15
      +1
      There, as in a bank, an open account number, lie down the loot, and a rocket, at the client’s choice, either passes the flight path and slowly falls to the ground, or it glitches and flashes with a crash! !! wassat
    2. himRa
      himRa April 28 2018 11: 16
      +4
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Interestingly, but "friend or foe" is there?

      What are you friends about?
      Amertsy were seen in causing friendly fire in all companies !!!
      And how do you present a concrete reinforcement request?
      Tomahawks are stupid so that they don’t even know that they were captured by the radar and cannot bypass the protected areas!
      drinks
  9. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 28 2018 10: 14
    +1
    already broke into a tear ... crying I’m directly crying over the unenviable fate of a captured rocket ... lol
  10. taiga2018
    taiga2018 April 28 2018 10: 14
    +3
    what pathetics in relation to soulless technology, such an attitude you will not see from the "civilized" to the fates of millions of people suffering from their actions in the same Syria ...
  11. gridasov
    gridasov April 28 2018 10: 18
    +1
    I believe that the most important conclusion from the resulting debris is that the enemy reveals completely outdated approaches to creating a turbine. from this we can already draw conclusions on the performance characteristics
    1. himRa
      himRa April 28 2018 10: 29
      +1
      Are you all about ,, sore ,,?
      laughing
      You were needed in the USSR and now ,,, strange ,, no one will feed !!!
      Grants from .... 3 years and issue ,, to the mountain ,, if you give more money
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 28 2018 10: 44
        +1
        I often recall that my interests are completely at odds with what the vast majority think. Therefore, the results will suit me, and not others. And we must remember that they feed those who are prepared for slaughter. Or in other words, those who do everything to be eaten need food. No one has yet gone through the first stage of a complex algorithm so that you can step into the next. Therefore, smart people do not need explanations, and stupid ones do not need this. Life develops according to its laws and it is precisely strange and sometimes incomprehensible events that correct it.
        1. himRa
          himRa April 28 2018 11: 02
          +1
          Or in other words, those who do everything to be eaten need food.

          I'm worried about you and your research!
          No one has yet gone through the first stage of a complex algorithm so that you can step into the next.

          Nice to talk .... with a crazy bot! wassat
          1. gridasov
            gridasov April 28 2018 11: 36
            +1
            alas, I’m not a bot and to the best of my ability a person who does not fit into general concepts. I confess that I am more interested in the mathematical foundations of current events at different levels of interconnectedness, both generalized concepts and particular and individual ones.
            All events that ALREADY !!! occur within our system and are no longer comparable to playing on a plane in chess. This is already a game of volumetric chess, which includes other similar systems and exits them. It is already a complex of events that are not analyzed by computational mathematics. But events happen and people make decisions and there will be consequences. So there is a system of all interconnectedness and there are algorithms. However, a person does not use algorithmic thinking and many of the opportunities that exist even in the field of mastering all the properties of numbers as the fundamental foundations of mathematics. Mankind's problem is not atomic bombs or trash and a destroyed ecosystem. Humanity is being destroyed inside everyone who is unable to work with large volumes of information piled on consciousness. I am a bot!? This is a question that is who. For example, you know how to work with external information flows and at the same time be protected and in good shape. Or are you self-satisfied with what you think of yourself?
        2. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 April 28 2018 11: 43
          +2
          Quote: gridasov
          gridasov

          "There never was such a thing, and here it is again" (c)
          “And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do it ”(c)
          I miss you. lol
          1. gridasov
            gridasov April 28 2018 11: 47
            +1
            Everyone can model the future. The question is what levels of individual and abilities and capabilities each repel, in the analysis of the present as a reference point.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 28 2018 11: 49
              +1
              We all want this or not working with the analysis mechanism that the brain uses. But analysis itself cannot be divorced from the foundations of logic, which lies in the foundations of the mathematics of analysis, not computation.
              1. kirgiz58
                kirgiz58 April 28 2018 12: 24
                +1
                Quote: gridasov
                We all want this or not working with the analysis mechanism that the brain uses. But analysis itself cannot be divorced from the foundations of logic, which lies in the foundations of the mathematics of analysis, not computation.

                When self-esteem lifts me up to heaven, I fall into your thoughts depicted with the letters on the pages of VO, instantly understand how stupid and small I am and that I have the opportunity for self-improvement. Therefore, a huge request to you, state your ... (I will not pick up the word) in a more accessible language for us mortals.
  12. Altona
    Altona April 28 2018 10: 19
    0
    Sorcerers and shamans work in Popular Mechanics, I understood it this way.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 28 2018 10: 20
    +3
    just the beginning of a long "death" of a captured rocket,
    I almost broke a tear because of the pathos of the American media. And it finished off completely
    will be continued. Just like real nightmares of captured guided missiles
    Directly about Makein captured in Vietnamese captivity.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 28 2018 10: 24
      0
      Yes .. In the civilized society there, it’s not customary to go out to the Je suis Donbass flash mob.
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  15. Altona
    Altona April 28 2018 10: 23
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    We all know what is needed for a long time! They’ll just check again what we had and our air defense will slightly correct for the future hehe This is all a simple PR, for Westerners

    ------------------------------
    They think that here we drink vodka in glasses instead of tea and walk with bears in bast shoes. And here are the "poor unfortunate rackets." I thought they would say something clever, but then they break their elbows and bite their nails, smear their snot on blunt pieces of iron. By the way, looking at the wreckage, you think for what they pay 1,7 million dollars apiece? Consumer goods are continuous. laughing
  16. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 April 28 2018 10: 27
    +2
    That nakoy was ringing around the world about the presence of Russian military American missiles? Well, they would have studied in the quiet, and created a missile defense. Now the states will have to change the filling, and again the rockets will need to be knocked down and studied. It's like with the hijacking of the MiG-25, forcing the creation of the MiG-31. In addition, boasted that no one was injured by missiles. for they all shot down, thereby giving reason to look very humane. And why didn’t they make a show with many wounded and unhappy children? Nobody can stand on ceremony with us, why should we be so honest?
    1. NG inform
      NG inform April 29 2018 22: 38
      -1
      Russia has vast experience in air defense, this is not about creating a specialized missile defense system (which can be deprived of meaning by a slight change in the firmware of the rocket), but rather the satisfaction of curiosity and tuning the system.
  17. Simon
    Simon April 28 2018 10: 34
    +1
    Quote: Sergey-svs
    Quote: himRa
    Clever, and even captive, terrible and long death!
    Is it about rocket wreckage?
    Or their people hawala or translation of the article highly artistic laughing

    These terrible and evil Russians "tortured to death" two peaceful American missiles! What kind of Russians are all the same bloodthirsty savages ... belay It's time to introduce new sanctions against Russia! For the ill-treatment of peaceful missiles and where does the world community only look? !!! lol
    PS But, now, Trump can proudly say that his “smart” missiles still hit Russia ... laughing

    That's right! laughing wink
  18. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu April 28 2018 10: 36
    +1
    You might think we don’t know her device for many years.
  19. knyazru
    knyazru April 28 2018 10: 38
    0
    Our prisoners do not do this, they have long since told all the secrets and sunbathe in the Crimea on the beach ....
  20. HMR333
    HMR333 April 28 2018 10: 45
    0
    I think the main goal is to remove all radio reflections and recognition of false targets from a rocket! the rest will only be studied by technology, it is unlikely that there is something that is not yet known and modern!
  21. Lint64
    Lint64 April 28 2018 10: 47
    0
    "..." suicidal death "of weapons ..."
    This is still a translation of this, and then comprehending this phrase, a little with "not a breath."
    "Novice" is a deadly weapon of mass destruction, but not for small-shaven men and women, but for the "agents" of Russia.
  22. maxes
    maxes April 28 2018 10: 58
    0
    By the way, what happened to the remnants of our “Caliber” in Syria after the attacks on Ishilov’s? Where are these fragments?
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 28 2018 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: Maxar
      By the way, what happened to the remnants of our “Caliber” in Syria after the attacks on Ishilov’s? Where are these fragments?

      There was no one to collect, but we do not need them, we have whole ones. laughing
  23. XXXIII
    XXXIII April 28 2018 11: 03
    +4
    Further testing may continue for many years and, ultimately, lead to the "suicidal death" of the weapon
    wassat
  24. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 28 2018 11: 11
    0
    The death of a rocket?
    Well, just like they write about a living organism ...
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 28 2018 11: 20
      0
      So their brains are “inverted”; People are nothing to them if it’s not A. Merzot, and vice versa about pieces of iron.
  25. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 28 2018 11: 13
    +5
    This inadequate 'KIPOD' 'is tired of it! am If he logically substantiated his objections! Then you could still understand him! yes But it is useless to him to prove anything (explain)! fool For him, only one thing is important: But America told me and I believe her! As long as you can show him "bullshit" in American, British, French messages, it is useless! negative "America told him!" ... bully
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 28 2018 11: 30
      +2
      Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) Today, 11: 13

      This inadequate "KIPOD '' is tired of the order! Am If he logically substantiated his objections

      Do not throw beads in front of pigs.
    2. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 28 2018 11: 33
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      This inadequate 'KIPOD' 'is tired of it!

      So he is an employee of the center in Frankfurt am Main. And in the best case, "remote", but rather directly from there he yells. lol
  26. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber April 28 2018 11: 34
    0
    It’s time to create a “Society for the Humane Relation to Missiles”, similar to the “Society for the Protection of Animals
  27. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 28 2018 11: 40
    0
    The ongoing duel between the American and Russian developers of military equipment will continue.

    One Belenko what it cost us. But we knew that he had stolen and in what condition, therefore, the "sheher" stood in specific organizations. And here it’s interesting: what kind of rocket, in what condition, what is really preserved, and what are the Russians blowing into the fool? ... As one movie hero used to say, we are on the verge of a grandiose chuckler ... And so many guys in the US defense are worth breaking the head where we bluff, and where we really raise the whist !!! bully recourse
  28. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V April 28 2018 11: 55
    +1
    US missiles did not reach their targets due to technical malfunctions.
  29. Kerensky
    Kerensky April 28 2018 12: 11
    +2
    I understand that if not for the insidious Russians, would the rockets return home?
  30. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 28 2018 12: 49
    +2
    Not too long ago a couple of days ago they shouted that Russia has nothing .... now is the new version?
  31. Imobile
    Imobile April 28 2018 12: 59
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Tiras
    Or in good condition to study?

    Quote: NEXUS
    two missiles were still in good condition to study ...

    Otherwise, even a conversation would not be raised on this topic.
    And I read the original first. Good lies technique, still picked up the title. And the discussion started from scratch. In the original, the author, who did not own the information, asked a question, but suppose that the missiles really would have hit the Russians. As an IT specialist, I can say that we will extract information close to 0 even from an entire rocket. This could be extracted before the age of 80. Moreover, I can draw a diagram of these missiles. But she will not give anything. Even if we got the firmware, they will change it. These are our frequencies and characteristics that are strictly wired into the rocket and cannot be changed, it depends on the firmware, which easy to change
  32. Marconi41
    Marconi41 April 28 2018 13: 26
    0

    Where are the photos of rockets at least in the least digestible condition?
    Where are the photos of the shot down missiles?
    only the blind do not laugh at the bullshit presented by the RF Ministry of Defense

    So ours and it is not necessary to show them. If it showed, then our further opposition is obvious, but if not, it seems like the owners of the missiles have nothing to worry about.
    Your MO is studying.
  33. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 28 2018 13: 42
    0
    The point is not at all what they recognized there, but that the end of their hegemony became apparent to many. You can even drool, splashing in our direction, but now bite now is unlikely!
  34. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 28 2018 13: 46
    0
    Quote: Marconi41
    Where are the photos of rockets at least in the least digestible condition?
    Where are the photos of the shot down missiles?
    only the blind do not laugh at the bullshit presented by the RF Ministry of Defense

    So ours and it is not necessary to show them. If it showed, then our further opposition is obvious, but if not, it seems like the owners of the missiles have nothing to worry about.
    Your MO is studying.


    Another bug crawled out from under the mattress! It's time to pull out the dust! It’s called “Beginner, but don’t do ** chock”!
  35. serg100
    serg100 April 28 2018 13: 53
    0
    Why is the Tomahawk Defense Society silent?
  36. net0103net
    net0103net April 28 2018 14: 16
    0
    The Russians will not try, the Russians will learn. ... I am Russian - I know for sure)).
  37. keks shmeks
    keks shmeks April 28 2018 15: 15
    0
    Flayers, barbarians, torture poor captive rockets. Ah ha ha merikosy and here they put us in a terrible light.
  38. Yodzakura
    Yodzakura April 28 2018 18: 26
    +2
    Then my compatriot will not call his name he wrote, but there are no debris, all this is a fake about downed tomahawks
  39. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte April 28 2018 20: 13
    +1
    I don’t understand what else can I learn?
    The ancient Soviet air defense systems in the hands of the Arabs bring down dozens of these missiles. What can we say about unique ultramodern developments. laughing
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 08: 37
      +1
      For example, to make sure that they do not just fall but turn on the back and fly back bully
  40. Mentat
    Mentat April 28 2018 21: 21
    0
    Quote: kipod
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Tiras
    Or in good condition to study?

    Quote: NEXUS
    two missiles were still in good condition to study ...

    Otherwise, even a conversation would not be raised on this topic.

    a conversation?
    the conversation is raised exclusively in.
    Where are the photos of rockets at least in the least digestible condition?
    Where are the photos of the shot down missiles?
    only the blind do not laugh at the bullshit presented by the RF Ministry of Defense.

    The characters who consider themselves the smartest do not even laugh at the bullshit that is shoved into the forum, why laugh at such people?
    It doesn’t reach that conclusions can be drawn from the photographs of rockets, what exactly fell into our hands and in what condition? And it does not reach, it seems.
  41. Hiller
    Hiller April 29 2018 01: 00
    0
    And at first they said that Russia doesn’t have any missiles ... now they’re thinking? Oh well...