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US media: F-35 is of Russian origin

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American Information Portal Task and purpose came out with a noteworthy material on the X-NUMX fighter of the F-5 generation. The author of the material (Brad Howard), who is a former US Air Force soldier, writes that the American fighter has a “Russian origin”.


According to Howard, the real prototype of the F-35 is a Soviet design - the Yak-141. Recall that this is a multipurpose deck carrier SV / KVP, which made its first flight in the 1987 year. It was assumed that the Yak-141 aircraft would form the basis of the wing of the Soviet aircraft-carrying cruisers, including "Tbilisi" ("Admiral Kuznetsov").

US media: F-35 is of Russian origin


According to the author, the end of the Cold War eventually led to the beginning of cooperation between the Yakovlev Design Bureau and Lockheed. In 1991, these industrial structures signed a cooperation agreement. Howard notes that it was this agreement that eventually allowed the American company to obtain those Soviet technologies that ultimately enabled the United States to make a significant step in the development of the multi-purpose aircraft program. The result of this program, according to the author, was the F-35.

Brad Howard:
They (Lockheed) received critical information from Russians that allowed them to start developing engines - the heart of F-35.


Readers of the portal noted that if this is so, then there is no sensation in this, because each company, as far as possible, studies the experience of competitors and can use this experience in their own interests.
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  1. Separ DNR
    Separ DNR April 28 2018 05: 53
    +17
    US media: F-35 is of Russian origin

    Another round of "hitting" on Russia?

    IT does not fly, because ... And further options are possible: Meldonium, hackers, "newbie", and the like.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain April 28 2018 05: 56
      +7
      Quote: Separ DNR
      IT does not fly, because ... And further options are possible: Meldonium, hackers, "newbie", and the like.

      Yes, just Gray everything. The next hand of Moscow and Putin, as well as Russian hackers. laughing hi
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR April 28 2018 06: 07
        +15
        Quote: vovanpain
        Yes, just Gray everything. The next hand of Moscow and Putin

        Forgive me the Almighty moderators and administrators, but I, as they say, again about my ...

        About Donbass ...

        This is where the hand of Moscow is less and less felt. That is, it is, as it were, but not its hardness.
        Great power grip is not felt. No.
        1. Alexander 3
          Alexander 3 April 28 2018 06: 54
          +4
          I want to remind everyone what kind of bombers we had and the Soviet Union got a license for the production of which bombers. And TU 95 was a continuation of this design and scheme. The technical idea works for us approximately the same.
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 08: 38
            +1
            Quote: Alexander 3
            TU 95 was a continuation of this design and scheme

            Why not TB-3?
            and looks more like a swept wing
            But did the Myasischevsky prototype probably have a Volcano? lol
            to which it was only necessary to attach wing wings and get a Tu-160
            1. figwam
              figwam April 28 2018 09: 44
              +5
              US media: F-35 is of Russian origin

              This is a well-known fact. Even under Yeltsin, the Americans bought an airplane and documentation for the Yak-141.
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 10: 38
                +3
                I know, the question was why this comrade leads the origin of the Tu-95 from the B-29.
                The license was only for the production of transport Li-2 (DC-3)
                about Myasishchev's bombers (the first strategic ones in the world by the way) he completely forgot.
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas April 29 2018 09: 31
                  0
                  Now it turns out that the bookmarks in the construction that the treacherous Russians made in the early 90s will not allow to bring the plane to mind and it is necessary to allocate money for the development of a new aircraft in which there will be nothing Russian ...


                  1. YELLOWSTONE
                    YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 09: 37
                    0
                    it vryatli, the Americans before that had their own planes (or just projects) that did not fly at all
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas April 29 2018 09: 38
                      0
                      Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                      before that, the Americans had their own planes (or just projects) that did not fly at all


                      everyone had such projects
                      1. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 10: 25
                        0
                        So maybe it's not bookmarking? laughing
                      2. bulvas
                        bulvas April 29 2018 11: 25
                        0
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        So maybe it's not bookmarking? laughing


                        it was a joke
                        hi
              2. Cetron
                Cetron April 28 2018 22: 16
                +3
                Not bought, but stolen. There were no secrets from overseas curators. Prosrali all that has been developed for decades.
        2. Lynx33
          Lynx33 April 28 2018 07: 20
          +10
          Separa DNR: and not be felt, because the Donbass, this is an internal showdown in Ukraine. And do not blame everything on the Yankees here, they just splashed a gasoline tank into this fire. It is useless for Russia to meddle in Ukraine. The intervention of Russia at this stage will lead to a massive bloody fratricidal war. Until the Ukrainians themselves understand how deeply mistaken they are, any intervention by Russia from outside will only increase paranoia. Only the blood launched by the West will return common sense to their heads.
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR April 28 2018 07: 34
            +16
            Quote: Lynx33
            It is useless for Russia to meddle in Ukraine. Russian intervention at the current stage

            At what "stage" did you "slap" (there should have been another, more capacious word), Maidan in Kiev, and now also in Yerevan?
            Or is it all and everything in a drum? So much so that there is a direct threat to your military presence in Gyumri?

            Quote: Lynx33
            any intervention of Russia from outside will only increase paranoia

            Settle down yes , and you’ll have American bases, missile defense systems, and in general EVERYTHING that they please.
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 April 28 2018 08: 39
              +5
              Quote: Separ DNR
              At what "stage" did you "slap" (there should have been another, more capacious word), Maidan in Kiev, and now also in Yerevan?

              How can you spoil what is not. Ukraine has always been anti-Russia because it makes no sense to be a second Russia. All these satellites around the perimeter are similar to women of easy virtue. Who gave money - they gave it to him. Slap and thank God, more health - the air is cleaner - money in your pocket.
              Quote: Separ DNR
              Or is it all and everything in a drum? So much so that there is a direct threat to your military presence in Gyumri?

              Armenia risk their existence - Russia is a base in Gyumri. Feel the difference. Who needs someone who slap whom.
              Quote: Separ DNR
              Settle yourself, and you will have American bases, missile defense systems, and in general EVERYTHING that they please.

              You worry about yourself. There will be a cut, these bases do not live. The magic word TNW.
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR April 28 2018 09: 42
                +9
                Quote: Winnie76
                You worry about yourself. There will be a cut, these bases do not live. The magic word TNW.

                Well, of course ... Americans never had tactical nuclear weapons ... And then, from the presence of Pershing in Germany ( not even at the borders of the USSR) such a noise was raised, in times of grace ...
                Revel in further, with your hat-hopping moods, and wake up when Russia will no longer risk bases, but with its existence.

                In general, I do not share your sloppy-relaxed relaxed.
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn April 28 2018 10: 15
                  +5
                  Hello Sergey hi
                  Quote: Separ DNR
                  Revel in further, with your hat-hopping moods, and wake up when Russia will no longer risk bases, but with its existence.

                  I, you, understand ... to you from the "field", you’ll see everything for your girlfriend ... And most of the site is completely on your side. But understand the opponents ... People were waiting for resistance on the whole territory of B.U. ... But four years have passed, people are being strangled on all fronts .. And they continue to sugs, screaming .. We, many have relatives, acquaintances, former friends there. No change in the brain request The disease is only progressing.
                  Quote: Separ DNR
                  In general, I do not share your sloppy-relaxed relaxed.

                  So for us, on the couch, it’s easy to judge you there ... Sergey, don’t tear your nerves ... drinks
                  One fig, we are pawns and we can only influence public opinion around us .. I don’t think that GDP or Shoigu are hidden under nicknames on this site winked
                  1. Separ DNR
                    Separ DNR April 28 2018 10: 24
                    +8
                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    People were waiting for resistance throughout the whole territory of B.U. ... But four years have passed, people are being strangled on all fronts ..

                    Well, this is it, it is today's Ukraine, and I remember her, another, Soviet.
                    Actually, now I do not care how they have it, "in that Ukraine." I do not expect any change from them, and generally do not expect anything. I have my Donbass bleeding to death, and there is Russia for which I worry almost more than myself, because the worse you are, the hundred times worse we have.
                    Understand the creeping US penetration into Ukraine, this is a real threat that will have to face.
                    BUT IT IS BETTER TO PREVENT.
          2. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ April 28 2018 08: 56
            +6
            Quote: Lynx33
            Separa DNR: and not be felt, because the Donbass, this is an internal showdown in Ukraine.

            It was then that there was no way to meddle in the Crimea. As of January 1, 2014, Crimea is the internationally recognized territory of Ukraine (including Russia).
            Those. it turns out: "URRRRRRRARAAAAAA, Krymnash, they saved a lot of people from the massacre! Putin is the Savior of Russia! But to shit in the Donbass, let them continue to bomb them, Ukraine, however, internal showdowns!"
            1. sogdy
              sogdy April 28 2018 12: 54
              +4
              Quote: EwgenyZ
              It was then that there was no way to meddle in the Crimea. As of January 1, 2014, Crimea is the internationally recognized territory of Ukraine (including Russia).

              Don't bullshit. Ukraine exists not at the _ international_ level, but at the level of internal agreements of the USSR / CIS. Accordingly, it is only for the Russian Federation to decide who owns Crimea. In other territories of Ukraine, there are other claims - even from Romania.
              According to the strangers of Central Asia - the same sadness. The official withdrawal from the agreements of the USSR / CIS / SCO - and their state status has been lost.
              Now tell us how much money the Americans will keep there - they don’t have their own money, and there’s nothing to take from the locals. Will they restore extractive industries that are no longer there? And what kind of shisha? On your debt obligations? Before whom? Local still need to eat, but this is the real sector and only real money / barter.
              Now Amer’s real sector is drugs from Afghanistan and the remnants of controlled aircraft. The golden triangle was actually taken away from them (they are bouncing in the Philippines and SKM). Afghan is blocked. So what they are looking for is not a place for bases, but transshipment points of drug trafficking.
              1. EwgenyZ
                EwgenyZ 2 May 2018 09: 24
                0
                Quote: sogdy
                Don't bullshit. Ukraine exists not at the _ international_ level, but at the level of internal agreements of the USSR / CIS.

                Porite rubbish, just, you, sickly! After the collapse of the Union, Ukraine and the other 14 republics were recognized by the majority of the states of the world, and they put a “device” on all your Wishlist regarding some internal agreements. All these former fraternal republics are now full members of the UN and other international organizations, I note: within the borders of the Soviet Socialist Republic, existing in 1991.
                Quote: sogdy
                Accordingly, it is only for the Russian Federation to decide who owns Crimea.

                It was not Russia that decided, but Putin. From a legal point of view, everything was done almost perfectly (there was no referendum in Russia itself regarding reunification with the Crimea, therefore, the Russian Federation did not decide), you won’t dig in. And Putin decided that we should donbass, I think to hold a referendum on reunification with the Donbass and the result would be an arc, not like Putin wanted, so there is no referendum!
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 3 May 2018 06: 52
                  0
                  Quote: EwgenyZ
                  Ukraine, and the other 14 republics after the collapse of the Union were recognized by most states of the world

                  Even if the whole world knows that Marivanna lives in apartment number 5, the municipality decides on the house in which her apartment is located. Regardless of the country.
                  So clear
                  And the workers of the municipality
                  Quote: EwgenyZ
                  "put the device" on all your Wishlist about some internal agreements.

                  as well as membership in any public organizations.
                  The territory of Ukraine is allocated by Russia on the rights of use, and not on the rights of ownership. This is the "status of the existence of the state of Ukraine." Any actions of a third party will be an intervention against Russia. What, in fact, were warned by the Gavriks.
                  1. EwgenyZ
                    EwgenyZ 7 May 2018 09: 01
                    0
                    Quote: sogdy
                    Quote: EwgenyZ
                    Ukraine, and the other 14 republics after the collapse of the Union were recognized by most states of the world

                    Even if the whole world knows that Marivanna lives in apartment number 5, the municipality decides on the house in which her apartment is located. Regardless of the country.
                    So clear
                    And the workers of the municipality
                    Quote: EwgenyZ
                    "put the device" on all your Wishlist about some internal agreements.

                    as well as membership in any public organizations.
                    The territory of Ukraine is allocated by Russia on the rights of use, and not on the rights of ownership. This is the "status of the existence of the state of Ukraine." Any actions of a third party will be an intervention against Russia. What, in fact, were warned by the Gavriks.

                    Well what can I say ... Dream on.
          3. zoolu350
            zoolu350 April 28 2018 11: 51
            +2
            It was such a macar that Ukraine, Armenia, and Kazakhstan were poured. Then the Caucasus, Tatarstan, the Far East will merge already, and then the matter will come to Saratov and Voronezh. The owners of the Fed always care about what happens thousands of kilometers from their nesting place, but the oligarch of the Russian Federation on the drum what is happening under his nose. While the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and people like you hope that the Ukrainians are “themselves, themselves,” the owners of the Fed have taken complete control of the process and now there are less and less Ukrainians, and BANDERLOGs more and more.
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR April 28 2018 11: 57
              +4
              Quote: zoolu350
              Fed owners took the process under their FULL control and now there are less and less Ukrainians, and BANDERLOGs more and more.

              They will feed and cherish, anyhow they were only against Russia.
              And hopelessly stupid is the one who hopes that everything in the banderlog is somehow "resolved" ...
              Yeah yes , hold your pocket wider ... Not to destabilize in order to miss such a ram against the Russian Federation.
              1. sogdy
                sogdy April 28 2018 12: 57
                +1
                Quote: Separ DNR
                They will feed and cherish, if only against Russia

                It is noticeable to "feed" in Ukraine, Tribaltic, Poland, and now France. So yes, "duty to Uncle Sam" in the form of greenery.
        3. vlad007
          vlad007 April 28 2018 08: 51
          +4
          Quote: Separ DNR
          About Donbass ...

          If not for the "hand of Moscow", then LDNR would no longer exist! Pensions are paid, passports are recognized, etc. Nobody needs war! Even Savchenko understood this!
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR April 28 2018 09: 48
            +4
            Quote: vlad007
            Nobody needs war!

            But she is coming. People are dying.
            The fact that the picture on your TV is decent, "doesn’t mean that there is no war, it’s just a flow of information, they say," Minsk "works, we pacified the aggressor.
            And the war must be completed, without delay, in ANY way, except for the surrender of the DPR and LPR in a way.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy April 28 2018 13: 08
              0
              Quote: Separ DNR
              And the war must be completed, without delay, in ANY way, except for the surrender of the DPR and LPR in a way.

              The one who ends your war will own your country. Think what you need?
              You have not gone to Russia. Do you need the Jews who now own Ukraine? USA? Or yourself? Waiting for the Gorky Line to return? From Siberia?! So then again there will be Russia, "under which you have not gone."
              "No cats. No cats. No choice!" (demotivator)
        4. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin April 28 2018 09: 44
          0
          Quote: Separ DNR
          About Donbass ...

          This is where the hand of Moscow is less and less felt. That is, it is, as it were, but not its hardness.
          Great power grip is not felt.

          This is now referred to as soft power.
        5. Spez
          Spez April 28 2018 09: 55
          0
          Quote: Separ DNR
          This is where the hand of Moscow is less and less felt. That is, it is, as it were, but not its hardness.
          Great power grip is not felt.

          This is physics. A long lever is very difficult to make hard and thin, it can break. A flexible tentacle is easy! Two in one - and stroke, and smother, if the claws are in the wrong direction ...
          Have you already forgotten about Plotnitsky? wink
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR April 28 2018 10: 00
            +4
            Quote: Spez
            Have you already forgotten about Plotnitsky?

            And what about Plotnitsky? Removed it as directed OF. Insolent, snickering, began to confuse the rams, and just ...
            And replacing it with the Pasechnik as a whole, in the matter of ending the war, DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING WITHOUT A TEAM OF
            1. Spez
              Spez April 28 2018 10: 28
              +1
              Nevertheless ...
      2. okko077
        okko077 April 28 2018 13: 14
        0
        Yak-141 is simply an unsuccessful attempt to make a vertical take-off aircraft. His concept for a combat aircraft is simply unacceptable. Carrying with you 2 engine blanks that are used only for take-off is not a luxury, it’s stupidity ... This plane has a ridiculous combat radius, in the absence of combat load ... There is nothing for such an aircraft to do at sea ... More than he doesn’t pull from a military point of view on a failed experimental ...
        1. Spez
          Spez April 28 2018 14: 38
          +2
          Not there, not that, and even not so ... You would compare the TTX F-35 and Yak-141 for starters ...
          1. okko077
            okko077 April 28 2018 14: 48
            +1
            The combat radius of 200 km with GDP in the version of the kerosene fighter .... with 2 missiles ???
            1. Spez
              Spez April 28 2018 14: 57
              +1
              Those. you do not care Yak-38 or Yak-141?
              Maybe the color of shoulder straps needs to be changed? ;-)
              1. okko077
                okko077 April 28 2018 19: 31
                +1
                I have such things in life, in color - why change ... Maybe I want to tell you something about fuel oil about airplanes? ... TTX should be able to read, dear!
                1. Spez
                  Spez April 29 2018 16: 33
                  0
                  Fuel oil, not fuel oil, but unlike any reading teachers, I saw 48-2 not only in the photo and exhibition venues)))
            2. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 18: 17
              +1
              the radius of the F-35 is 200 smaller than the Yak, do you think that the F-35 has a radius of zero? laughing
              1. okko077
                okko077 April 28 2018 19: 45
                +1
                In all disputes, the pi_ndos made a plane for themselves and they know how to use it and what tactics to use ... They do not plan to fight in close maneuverable combat, which still needs to be reached after passing long-range and medium-range combat ... advantage aircraft, including due to application tactics .... The F-35 has the best engine in the world (for production aircraft) ... This aircraft must be respected and carefully developed ways to counter it .....
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 21: 02
                  +1
                  on phantoms also did not plan
                  so what about tactics?
                  Quote: okko077
                  The F-35 has the best engine in the world (for production aircraft)

                  lol is it because it costs many times more expensive than the RD-180?
                  1. MadCat
                    MadCat April 29 2018 19: 04
                    0
                    Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                    on phantoms also did not plan
                    so what about tactics?

                    you still remember the first world war with the tactics of using corn mailers and duels on revolvers laughing
                    Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                    lol is it because it costs many times more expensive than RD-180?

                    will this achievement be crammed into planes without any analogues in the world? Did I miss something? wassat
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 19: 52
                      0
                      guns from planes disappeared somewhere?
                      Yes, besides, it (the F35 engine) is not at all a record.
                      1. MadCat
                        MadCat April 30 2018 02: 03
                        0
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        guns from planes disappeared somewhere?

                        and when was the last time they were used? wink
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        Yes, besides, it (the F35 engine) is not at all a record.

                        first of all, the developers fulfilled the most important requirement, efficiency and reliability. And is there really a claim to him that he is not a champion? Record-breakers usually fall apart after the first flight, as was the case with the first MIG31 ...
                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 30 2018 11: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: MadCat
                      and when was the last time they were used?

                      Do you have any more recent data on this? in 2014 for example
                      Quote: MadCat
                      first of all, the developers fulfilled the most important requirement, efficiency and reliability. And is there really a claim to him that he is not a champion?

                      record holder for all this NK-32
                      Quote: MadCat
                      Record-breakers usually fall apart after the first flight, as was the case with the first MIG31 ...

                      Do you know what happened to the XB-70 Valkyrie? and how many A-12s and SR-71s fell apart with so few released? don't know how to blow bubbles in a puddle, don't scare fish lol like a heather nauert with his look and tentacles yes The State Department has already stopped paying just the number of comments laughing
    2. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 06: 10
      +3
      Yes, there is not only an engine and not only experience.
      This is another - here
      Readers of the portal noted that if this is so, then there is no sensation in this, because each company, as far as possible, studies the experience of competitors and can use this experience in their own interests.

      and about the Tu-4 squeals would be wassat
    3. Maksus
      Maksus April 28 2018 07: 33
      +3
      That's right, therefore, in the event of a conflict, all F-35 will go over to our side without any hackers. Kapets America ....
    4. antivirus
      antivirus April 28 2018 08: 01
      0
      if it doesn’t fly because of the Russians (they put the rot of a vorozhi), then the Americans WERE NOT ON THE MOON.
      REALLY THE USA HIDS THE BORROWING OF TECHNOLOGIES FROM THE LUNATICIANS. THERE IS ALL THE MOST ADVANCED: MEAN AND WERE NOT THERE.
      and Russians? always backward.
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 08: 44
        +2
        in reality they borrowed first from the Dutch and English, then from the Germans, then from the Russians
        the statue of liberty was presented to them and built by the French
        1. Spez
          Spez April 28 2018 10: 31
          +3
          The Dutch were their dealers until the Yankees themselves entered Afghanistan ;-)
    5. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ April 28 2018 08: 42
      +3
      Quote: Separ DNR
      US media: F-35 is of Russian origin

      Another round of "hitting" on Russia?

      Where did you see the "hit" here? I read that the American simply states the fact that Soviet technology became the basis for the development of the 35th. Here, rather, a recognition of the backwardness of the American aircraft industry
      Quote: Brad Howard
      They (Lockheed) received critical information from Russians that allowed them to start developing engines - the heart of F-35.

      By the way, this is not the first time: there has already been a case when McDonell Douglas "copied" the MiG-25go glider.
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR April 28 2018 09: 54
        +3
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        Where did you see the "hit" here?

        And I, not limited to today, look in perspective yes yes yes
      2. Maksus
        Maksus April 28 2018 21: 07
        0
        Aha copied, six months before the theft.
    6. cormorant
      cormorant April 28 2018 11: 17
      0
      Not like running over. Rather, here is another confirmation that the cutting-edge technologies of democracy have stolen the Russians. However, this is not the first or last time.
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 12: 38
        0
        it seems at the same time to praise this and there is the word "if"
  2. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii April 28 2018 05: 55
    +12
    Yes ... we worked together, everywhere we managed, even in space we bring out NATO "harmless" satellites.
  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 28 2018 05: 56
    +16
    Do you all understand what origin this or that American technique has? fellow Continue to develop media space and budget subsidies, while our Chinese partners continue to "stamp" everything and supply Russia with consumer goods, which "was successfully developed in the USSR in the 60s." belay It would be gratifying to note that it also owes all the achievements of the XNUMXst century born in Russia to the USSR, its scientists and their developments.
    But ... stop For us, the main thing is the roots. Identification of ownership ... fool Has it become easier? For a long time, something has not been heard that American missiles fly on Russian (Soviet) RD-180s, and our officials drive Western-made cars.
    wassat Dinner is served! Boiling!
    1. SEER
      SEER April 28 2018 06: 10
      +7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Do you all understand what origin this or that American technique has? fellow Continue to develop media space and budget subsidies, while our Chinese partners continue to "stamp" everything and supply Russia with consumer goods, which "was successfully developed in the USSR in the 60s." belay It would be gratifying to note that it also owes all the achievements of the XNUMXst century born in Russia to the USSR, its scientists and their developments.
      But ... stop For us, the main thing is the roots. Identification of ownership ... fool Has it become easier? For a long time, something has not been heard that American missiles fly on Russian (Soviet) RD-180s, and our officials drive Western-made cars.
      wassat Dinner is served! Boiling!

      "Beaver! Exhale!"
    2. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 28 2018 06: 12
      +5
      Wow, how you get pounded!
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Do you all understand what origin this or that American technique has? fellow ...wassat Dinner is served! Boiling!

      Who are you?
    3. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 28 2018 07: 10
      +1
      You should follow the advice of Situeyen Bender:
  4. dojjdik
    dojjdik April 28 2018 05: 56
    +2
    we don’t need to slip this scrap metal to us and we don’t need it for nothing, we have “barbarians” and our planes are no worse
  5. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 28 2018 05: 56
    +11
    the real prototype of the F-35 is the Soviet development - the Yak-141 aircraft.
    The same is news to me. Everyone who is even a little in the subject has long been aware of this. Only this does not mean stealth technology, but the very concept of a supersonic carrier-based fighter with vertical take-off. Sold by "Yakovlev" drawings with all the best practices.
    1. himRa
      himRa April 28 2018 06: 40
      +5
      Quote: Orionvit
      the real prototype of the F-35 is the Soviet development - the Yak-141 aircraft.
      The same is news to me. Everyone who is even a little in the subject has long been aware of this. Only this does not mean stealth technology, but the very concept of a supersonic carrier-based fighter with vertical take-off. Sold by "Yakovlev" drawings with all the best practices.

      Taki learns that the USSR was a leader!
      NATO Technical Commission Announcing June 1961 year requirements for fighter-bomber vertical take-off and landing, gave thereby an impetus to the development of supersonic aircraft GDP in Western countries.

      The first Soviet vertical takeoff and landing aircraft was the Yak-36. Its development was carried out in Yakovlev Design Bureau with 1960 years under the leadership of S. G. Mordovin. During the tests, a flying stand was first built and tested.
      "Turbolet", which practiced vertical flight modes. The leading test pilots under the Yak-36 program were Yu. A. Garnayev and V. G. Mukhin. March 24, 1966 the pilot Mukhin for the first time performed a flight with vertical take-off, transition to horizontal flight and vertical landing.

      Well ... in confirmation of your words:
      The modern development of VTOL aircraft is the American F-35, a fifth-generation fighter. On the issue of developing the F-35 as an VTOL aircraft, Lockhead Martin applied a number of technological solutions implemented in the Yak-141.

      The stagnation in the West of the principles of SVPP is connected specifically with the fuel crisis in the 70-80s of the last century, which was not observed in the USSR!
      Therefore, in the USSR and subsequently, the Russian Federation was completed and tested the SVPP project in the form of the Yak-141 !!!
      really experiencing difficult times with financing, the Yakovtsy could go for a partnership with Logheed Martin!
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic April 28 2018 06: 49
        +4
        Glad to see on the site the best of Rakhimov hi good ! We are much in Soviet times really were the first in the world! It remains only to remember! !!
        1. himRa
          himRa April 28 2018 06: 59
          +6
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Glad to see on the site the best of Rakhimov hi good ! We are much in Soviet times really were the first in the world! It remains only to remember! !!

          Hello dear Vitalich!
          just remember?
          I can’t agree, you won’t drink talent like a gritzo! laughing
          But seriously, the SVPP in Russia has many chances even in a civilian, if you look at the map and remember traffic jams in megacities! and the drawings have not gone away drinks
          1. Herculesic
            Herculesic April 28 2018 07: 15
            +2
            Rahim hi good If the authorities thought as we do, then we would long ago have had a light fighter of the 5th generation, and we would now build a third nuclear aircraft carrier! negative Not all, alas, depends on us!
      2. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 08: 47
        +2
        now explain the oil crisis
        and he did not interfere with Harrieres?
        1. himRa
          himRa April 28 2018 09: 00
          +5
          now the oil crisis is explaining stagnation

          Yes, breshet, breshet ....
          He did not interfere with harriers?

          did not interfere, but where are those by the way SI harriers?
          Well, they took part in the Falkle War in the amount of two pieces and then puuuuuk and quietly removed from service (2006) and did not create a new SVPP ...
          Why? It would seem that you put barges on barges with a hold of full aircraft ... everything is cheaper and more than one aircraft carrier !!!?
          So how do you explain, failure, in the NWPP in the west?
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 09: 34
            +2
            in the amount of 20-60pcs, then Iraq, the Balkans, Libya, Afghanistan in even larger quantities, in general in all wars
            then the USA was bought, probably now they fly in Syria, they continue to be used by Spain, Italy except the USA
            they had a failure with supersonic VTOL aircraft, the push in 1961 probably wasn’t enough lol
            Quote: himRa
            The NATO Technical Commission, which announced in June 1961 the requirements for vertical take-off and landing fighter-bomber, gave impetus to the development of supersonic aircraft GDP in Western countries.
            1. himRa
              himRa April 28 2018 12: 32
              +3
              Teeks look, consider ...
              Thrust: 1 × 95,6 kN (9750 kgf)
              Flight characteristics
              Maximum speed: 1190 km / h

              Sycharikein does not reach supersonic, right?
              Can others have outstanding qualities?
              Combat radius:
              vertical take-off: 135 km
              during take-off with take-off run: 795 km (with take-off weight of 9700 kg)
              Patrol Duration:
              vertical take-off: 24 min
              at take-off with a run: 94 min

              No, there is no special, even the Yak-36 loses !!!
              Flight performance Edit
              Maximum speed: 1100 km / h
              Range: 500 km

              About ,, mass ,, application
              He attended in two wars
              The Argentines shot down 2 pieces and 3 more were not combat losses, I note the data that the Britons acknowledge, participated during the operation in Yugoslavia, Serbs 1 piece and EVERYTHING he did not participate anywhere else, removed from service in the UK! As a result of the high percentage of non-combat losses !!
              111 pieces produced
              The Indians still exploited it, but alas, they never exploited it anywhere, and nowhere else did it fight!
              I like your statement:
              probably now fly in Syria,

              Are you a patriot of the USA?
              So the forum was wrong!
              they had a failure with supersonic VTOL aircraft, the push in 1961 probably wasn’t enough

              They didn’t have enough mind!
              But most likely, projects like Yaku were cut by the parameter: radius of application and fuel consumption
              Could not create one with TTX
              Yak-141 !!!
              But if you like, you can continue to insist I will not argue!
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 12: 56
                +2
                More than 830 pieces of harriers were produced (C was of two types, and this is one of four varieties)
                forgot about Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, most shot down from MANPADS in the Gulf
                before the Falkland participated in restraining Honduras from the occupation of Belize (colony at that time)
                except the USA, Spain, Italy were in England India Thailand
                Germany played around but were not accepted into service
                all british are bought by usa for parts
                projects were cut in speed due to the fact that there was not enough
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn April 28 2018 07: 58
      +8
      There, not only the sale of technology, there also helped the Americans cope with problems at the development stage. I would qualify the actions of the Design Bureau as a high treason without any whining about "saving the enterprise" and other things "peace, friendship, chewing gum."
  6. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 28 2018 05: 57
    +1
    Let them continue to spend money, the rest will be less.
  7. Ruzhik420
    Ruzhik420 April 28 2018 05: 58
    +5
    That is precisely why they are buggy. When you steal incomplete technologies, they have the property of incompatibility. For the same reason, they purchase our engines.
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  9. LSA57
    LSA57 April 28 2018 06: 01
    +4
    They (Lockheed) received critical information from Russians that allowed them to start developing engines - the heart of F-35.

    We are waiting for a refutation from the "exceptional"
  10. mpzss
    mpzss April 28 2018 06: 03
    +2
    it’s like at school: I wrote off the cheat sheet, but I didn’t understand the meaning, so they got the technology, but they don’t understand how it works
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR April 28 2018 06: 19
      +3
      Quote: mpzss
      technology received, but how it works - do not understand

      Yes, they all understood ... Current is a little too sophisticated. We intended to create a child prodigy for all occasions, but got ... F-35 fellow wassat
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR April 28 2018 06: 37
        +2
        Quote: Separ DNR
        Yes, they all understood ... Current is a little too sophisticated. We intended to create a child prodigy for all occasions, but got ... F-35

    2. Cheldon
      Cheldon April 28 2018 07: 58
      0
      Well, stupid Yankees, they out of obstinacy measure everything in inches and feet when translating values, errors arose and as one character of the film said: Hello parents!
  11. nikolaev
    nikolaev April 28 2018 06: 39
    +5
    if so, then perhaps it was a special operation to load the US military aircraft industry with a failed project for many years.
    Or maybe the stolen one didn’t do anything for the future.
    Anyway, happy for the Americans
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 28 2018 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: nikolaev
      if so, then perhaps it was a special operation to load the US military aircraft industry with a failed project for many years.

      Yakovlevites really gave away the drawings and developments on the Yak-141 mattresses. But KB Yak only created its aircraft as a vertical take-off deck. And the mattresses decided to unify the platform, making three different aircraft on its base. It was this decision of THEIR that led to such expenditures and problems, and not the Yakovlevian developments and idea.
  12. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 28 2018 06: 47
    +1
    At least honestly wrote the truth! But, we actually knew this for a long time already! The Yankees received a lot of information from us, but not everyone was able to realize it because of different design schools and technologies!
  13. Altona
    Altona April 28 2018 07: 01
    +2
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Dinner is served! Boiling!

    ---------------------------
    Something like excitement in the morning. The media revealed the secret. Captain evidence is practical. We also took Western developments as a basis, they took ours. Just recently, their suborbital "bast" flew, growing out of ours.
  14. garnik
    garnik April 28 2018 07: 40
    0
    I think the amers are unlikely to have come in handy Soviet developments in the field of aircraft with vertical take-off. The British had a very successful Harrier car, ours could not create such a thing. Rather, they created the Yak, but after each take-off and landing, the pilot could be given a bonus.
  15. Guru
    Guru April 28 2018 08: 22
    +1
    Well now everything is clear why the F-35 does not fly. This is for sure Putin.
  16. kipod
    kipod April 28 2018 08: 32
    +3
    I wonder who redid the article? and posted on the site?
    Maybe you should read the original and understand that chrome words - perhaps it has a probability = etc. etc.
    The American stealthy multifunctional fifth-generation fighter-bombers Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II have "Russian DNA", Task & Purpose believes.

    “Although the Yak-141 Freestyle cannot technically be considered the predecessor of the F-35, it has JSF (the Joint Strike Fighter program for replacing American and other western fighters with the F-35 - approx.“ Tapes.ru ”), there seems to be at least some kind of Russian DNAconcerning the design of the engine, and as soon as the F-35 appeared in the USA, the Yak-141 died in Russia, ”writes the American publication.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2018/04/28/yak141/
    but the article was redone for VO, changed the name and URAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA
    F-35 is of Russian origin

    lol
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 10: 46
      +1
      and here they are ... bully
      why is the quote not mentioning Brad Howard, who is a former US Air Force soldier?
      1. Snakebyte
        Snakebyte April 28 2018 21: 46
        0
        Brad Howard was a US soldier for 4 whole years.
        The level of knowledge in his article is comparable to yours.
        But after one of only two prototypes exploded while landing on the aircraft carrier Admiral Groshev in September of 1991, the program was effectively crippled.
        What kind of aircraft carrier? laughing
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 06: 38
          0
          Do you need more? you wouldn’t be accepted there at all, you can’t distinguish automobile engines from aircraft lol
          he didn’t serve on this aircraft carrier, it’s excusable, in Russia many Chakri Naroubet also do not pronounce and laugh with the new Chinese aircraft carrier Pipi-xia
    2. Spez
      Spez April 28 2018 10: 50
      +1
      Good morning!) Here you are already waiting. How did you sleep? wink
    3. sogdy
      sogdy April 28 2018 13: 23
      +1
      Quote: kipod
      there seems to be at least some kind of Russian DNA,

      Quote: kipod
      has a Russian origin

      Sorry, but in Russian it is one and the same., Although the second assumes not direct origin. And the first is exclusively direct.
      Quote: kipod
      and as soon as the F-35 appeared in the USA, the Yak-141 died in Russia, ”writes the American publication

      And here is the long-awaited run over.
      And shaw did you mean by that ?!
  17. d1975
    d1975 April 28 2018 08: 38
    +3
    Quote: Separ DNR
    Quote: Lynx33
    It is useless for Russia to meddle in Ukraine. Russian intervention at the current stage

    At what "stage" did you "slap" (there should have been another, more capacious word), Maidan in Kiev, and now also in Yerevan?
    Or is it all and everything in a drum? So much so that there is a direct threat to your military presence in Gyumri?

    Quote: Lynx33
    any intervention of Russia from outside will only increase paranoia

    Settle down yes , and you’ll have American bases, missile defense systems, and in general EVERYTHING that they please.

    It will not be, but there will be, first of all, the massacre of ar, the main border is to close our peasants from refugees, and we who have no citizenship should be sent there to help! If ours didn’t let the peasants into your families here, but only a family without peasants, everything would end long ago immediately. You have been in Yasinovataya and more than 15, 16 years. You are a mirror image of us in a perverted form. Your refugees saw how they behave on the border, they are disgusting, disgusting, but all unanimously repeat that they are special and Russia is to blame for everyone unambiguously. Tired of you honestly. There are already more than problems from you. Forgive me for saying that it’s so rude, but it’s impossible otherwise. am
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR April 28 2018 11: 26
      +3
      Quote: d1975
      There are already more than problems from you.

      Even if we are a problem for you, of which you can certainly argue, but now I won’t.
      Butwhen we are NOT there, it will immediately arise PROBLEM in the form of a US presence.
      Or do you think that they will miss such historical a chance to push your strike weapons close to your border?
      Moreover, for this dill does not need to join NATO. Enough interstate agreement with the United States ...
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 April 28 2018 17: 35
        0
        Separ, will you calm down someday. Now, let us fly here as well. You’re all in one piece of news. There are profile news on the situation in Ukraine and so on. Please fill out this question there. I would like more opinions on the topic .introduce a lot of smart people who can tell and discuss something interesting about the same “penguins.” Soon, 4 years from zombies now they only do what they say about the junta and the great martyrs of the DNR. I don’t see a difference between Selmarshal Zakharchenko, his sidekick Tashkent and Potrokh. Why was it worth connecting the phoenix package ???? and this isn’t kakly, but your people's elected government. And judging by your news from the union and others, the sniper 5 km shoot a squirrel in the eye.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR April 28 2018 20: 17
          +1
          Quote: Korax71
          Separ, will you calm down someday

          Quote: Korax71
          for 4 years now, from zombies, they only do what they say about the junta and the great martyrs of the DPR

          Quote: Korax71
          how much is there a phoenix package then it was worth connecting ????

          =================================================


          Horses mixed in a bunch, people ...
          M.Yu. Lermontov.


          In the garden of elderberry, in Kiev, uncle ... yes
  18. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 28 2018 09: 03
    +1
    "Readers of the portal noted that if this is so, then there is no sensation ..."

    The topic is generally about nothing ... It has been known since the late 90s.
    True, there is only a power plant according to the drawings of the UC, I don’t know about the hull, it seems like a pure Lockheed development.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 10: 48
      0
      the case is similar in design, in addition to the engine, it has a lot more.
  19. Bypassed
    Bypassed April 28 2018 09: 12
    0
    To merge a dead end of technological development or send it to a technological dead end is aerobatics in weakening the enemy.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 10: 51
      +2
      and also the Russian Federation astronauts dead end carries on the Russian ISS in general, and its engines are launched by American spy satellites and American rockets to Pluto
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 April 28 2018 17: 47
        -1
        And damned mattresses on their rockets to the same station send goods. Moreover, than much more than we astronauts. Further from this request in a year they’ll finish their other and there’s nothing they will poke. will you not choke on this soil with bile ???? why it’s always one-sidedly illuminating everything. already agree on what we stole and what technologies we use. but it’s interesting how it turns out that our country is advanced, but it produces half as much oil from one liter of oil than mattresses.
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 18: 21
          0
          the fact that for some reason there’s not a single astronaut who is afraid of something ... so even more so if you suddenly finish it, you need to poke now.
          please write that Russia stole from anyone, especially cowboys ....
          1. Korax71
            Korax71 April 28 2018 22: 27
            -1
            Well, as a keepsake from the weapons of the PFM, OZM72, in Vietnam, a missile, an info on a nuclear bomb. Well, although it was handed over to the USSR, they still put a hand to it. It is possible to list to green snot. There is not a single nation that has everything from start to finish. So there is nothing criminal to borrow. And you should not beat yourself with the heel in the chest that the most intelligent and advanced. If you move a little away armaments, then things will be much sadder. But astronauts on the shuttle normally flew. The project was closed for a number of reasons. But this does not mean that they cannot launch a person into space. Do not make them illiterate. You yourself know that this is far not this way.
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 07: 11
              0
              Germans used such mines in WWII, both types
              in Vietnam what kind of rocket?
              Americans themselves got this info from Germany, but not all lol
              Ivan Moiseevich worked most of his life in Belgium
              for suspension arr. Christie paid for the patent, in KV-1 and IS-2 it was not like that
              in Russia, the least borrowing, in the USA and Japan - the most
              missiles at the cowboys were launched by the SS man,
              once closed it means the row was too long, now they themselves can’t again again, and they fly on Soviet lol
              of course, of course, there’s nothing criminal in robbery and theft either,
              wild west he is so
              1. Korax71
                Korax71 April 29 2018 08: 54
                -1
                Well hello. Cassette mines and cluster bombs are a bit different things. The same dragon tooth-read pfm is designed for the concept of remote mining. There was nothing like that in the WWII. Except that it’s push mines. Regarding browning, if he lived big part in Belgium, you’re our expert, how he managed to cross the Atlantic 200 times in each direction. You confuse the genital organ with a goose neck. It simply worked unforgettable with a remington, and with a ring, and with fnl. if something missiles in the USSR the first developments were also never soviet. and in aviation, so was the engine on the first jet plane in the USSR to which engine was opium ??? and if you look even earlier, so many of the aircraft engines were copies of either mattresses or gayropeyskih. just like in radio stations, GAS, radar station. for that matter, the legendary Mosin rifle is nothing but plagiarism with a modified store. end up with letters to measure, the USSR and Russia like all their history bought foreign machines, on which and developed both space and weapons.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 09: 15
                  0
                  Germans remotely mined the GDP of airfields on June 22, 1941
                  about the organs - he was a Mormon, AK, all the same, he didn’t do it, but someone else
                  radio Popov invented
                  it was like that with engines in the USSR because a whole ship with engineers (who were lucky and they made them there) sailed to the USA and Europe. and Arkhip Lulka stole only two spikelets and he was lucky to grow
                  about Mosin not guessed again
                  for some reason, these same machines did not help other countries
                  "enough" is usually spoken with fewer, and in this case, borrowings - once a few.
                  1. Korax71
                    Korax71 April 29 2018 17: 50
                    0
                    But what, in something fundamental was applied? God already knows how many solutions have been worked out, and by no means in the most successful way. According to you, Russia and the USSR are a storehouse of scientific minds, for some reason the famous Varangian was not created in Russia and also a tuyeva heap of ships. Popov based the invention of radio on the theory of Hertz and his own transmitter. Well, in addition to it, Tesla also worked on his own development. So it’s not so simple. in addition to Russia, its name is Mosin-Nagana rifle. It’s time for you to change the training manual wink Your expiration date has long expired.
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 18: 57
                      0
                      yes, and in weapons magazines it was, you need to change the training manual as well as about the "Nagant"
                      Now comes the inventor of radio not priests or marconi but hertz? tesla was then yes everything is clear lol
                      battleships did it yourself
                      "all over the world" they write not so
  20. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 28 2018 09: 14
    0
    This once again confirms how advanced the USSR was militarily ... our technologies are also used in modern Russia and now it has appeared in the USA.
  21. Vard
    Vard April 28 2018 09: 14
    0
    Persistent rumors are that some have received high state awards for sabotage against the US Air Force ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 28 2018 13: 38
      +1
      Everyone would do such sabotage ... Yakovlevites - respect for creating a great concept.
      1. Vard
        Vard April 28 2018 14: 28
        0
        Yes ... And what ... it flies ...
  22. XXXIII
    XXXIII April 28 2018 09: 29
    +3
    Readers of the portal noted that if this is so, then there is no sensation in this, because each company, as far as possible, studies the experience of competitors and can use this experience in their own interests.
    Absolutely, the SU-57 smart skin is also likely to study the experience of competitors ..... hi
    Yak-141 is good ...
  23. Valerevich
    Valerevich April 28 2018 10: 43
    0
    Everything is as usual, all the achievements of exceptional characters are either bought or stolen.
  24. The poor man
    The poor man April 28 2018 10: 43
    0
    But in general, do Americans have something of their own?
    1. RL
      RL April 28 2018 11: 41
      0
      What does it mean: “Americans own”? If you have the USA, then the American people are created by a mixture of all the peoples of the globe, so everything is different. Plus developments already created in the USA. What kind? Rummage through encyclopedias. This is for several volumes.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 28 2018 13: 30
        0
        Quote: RL
        What does it mean: “Americans own”?

        The fact of the matter is that they have invented "patent law", in which there is no concept of the author. Which violates the rights of others.
        That remains the draft law on non-recognition of patent law introduced in the Duma. Complete violation of the mattress economy ...
        By the way, only countries that don’t have _ laws on patents and copyrights have real money now ...
        1. RL
          RL April 28 2018 13: 46
          +2
          This you will explain to me: "" patent law ", in which there is no concept of the author." The concept of the author is, and many specific authors receive money from their patents. And the Duma project again involves robbing thinking people, inventors, artists, composers. Just everyone who knows how to work, think and create.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy April 29 2018 14: 31
            +1
            Quote: RL
            This you will explain to me: "" patent law ", in which there is no concept of the author." The concept of the author is, and many specific authors receive money from their patents.

            Apparently, you have no idea what you're talking about. A patent has an owner, not an author. The patent owner is not even the author of the patented idea.
            In copyright, there is only the priority of the author of the idea.
            And those who put the pluses to you are just as uneducated.
  25. da Vinci
    da Vinci April 28 2018 10: 51
    0
    It is found on the Internet from pro-Western slime tongue ): copied by the Chinese or the USA - well done, the USSR or Russia - thieves who know nothing. Even the ancients said: the smart learns from the mistakes of others!
  26. RL
    RL April 28 2018 11: 47
    0
    In the same issue of VO there is an article “Completely Russian. The domestic version of the Outpost UAV will enter the troops in 2019”
    Could write that UAV "Outpost" is of Israeli origin.
    And in the subject: “The spacecraft of the Russian global navigation satellite system GLONASS are almost 60 percent composed of foreign components, said Nikolai Testoedov, director general of the satellite manufacturing company ISS named after Reshetnev, RIA Novosti.”
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 12: 58
      +2
      It’s not in vain that Roscosmos on a smartphone offered someone to fly into space.
  27. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 28 2018 13: 36
    0
    I advise you to follow the link to the original. There are interesting GIFs there: takeoffs and landings and Yak-141 crashes
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 21: 07
      +1
      the accident had to be posted right here
  28. Wolka
    Wolka April 28 2018 16: 30
    +2
    if so, so how much mind or lack of it is necessary to ruffle the original project in such a way ... well, it needs such brilliant American mediocrity, but also talent ...
  29. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte April 28 2018 21: 48
    +1
    The original contains links to supporting materials. And in them you can find a lot of unpleasant for pseudo-patriots.
    Between 1980 and 1987, NASA funded studies at all of the major aircraft companies to devise innovative concepts for a supersonic successor to the AV-8B Harrier, while the British MOD conducted similar studies in the UK. Lockheed's ASTOVL concept was based on the tandem fan engine advocated by Rolls Royce.
    (specially for Pingo winked )
    But that’s okay, you can find through the links what exactly the Yakovlevites were contacting:
    In May 1995 Lockheed Martin gave the Yak Aircraft Corporation a contract to provide an independent assessment of our STOVL propulsion system and airframe concepts, and also to provide
    lessons learned from their VSTOL aircraft development programs. We provided them with copies of everything regarding the competing CALF concepts that had been published in the open literature, including a copy of the US patent on the Lockheed dual cycle propulsion system.
    Drawing on their own experience developing VSTOL aircraft, Yak engineers provided us with predictions of the STOVL performance, including ground effects, of all three competing aircraft concepts. They also provided a risk assessment of each concept.
    In addition, they provided useful design and performance information for the lift systems of the Yak VSTOL aircraft. Their Final Report was very complimentary of our design and gave us confidence that we had the right concept.

    Just for outside expertise. At this point, a prototype engine has been assembled for six months now.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 06: 45
      +2
      on which links? bring them here bully
      you already brought one directly to the site of the lokhid, it turned out to be not the X-35 wassat
      Adept of Lokhid, naturally, if they saw a Soviet airplane flying at an air show similar to the one with which they had not succeeded 15 years before, then its concept was still correct yes
      assembled, then disassembled and sorted laughing Roll-Royce nozzle in X-32, which was obtained based on the results of "British MOD conducted similar studies in the UK", lol on X-35 it is only called that because lockheed is not engaged in engines and all that was received in Russia from the engine and nozzle, Yaka gave it to the Rolls-Royce to screw it onto his engine.
      In the US, in general, most of the aircraft fly with English engines or their licensed copies. crying
    2. Spez
      Spez April 30 2018 18: 46
      0
      By the way, why don’t you remember the other Yaks that were designed in parallel with the 141st and taking into account the results of its tests? Yak-43 or Yak-201, for example.
      Quote: Snakebyte
      Just for outside expertise. At this point, a prototype engine has been assembled for six months now.

      Yeah ... The information that is presented in the text you provided could be obtained even from aircraft by telephone. To do this, it was not necessary to conclude an agreement with the specialists of KB and LIK, and even through the Government of the Russian Federation. Naturally, the Americans received almost all test results under this agreement, which reduced their torment by ten years. And this is the most valuable thing in any project, and not the shape of the flaps and the number of blades in the first circuit of the engine (although this is also important).
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE 7 May 2018 08: 58
        0
        Yes, they all received, because with no such device in 30 years nothing happened
        Mr. Declaration of Intent Pursues Results lol
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE 7 May 2018 10: 27
          0
          NASA also dragged for the sake of significance which yesterday the device launched again on Mars on Russian engines lol
          and their F-1s after the Lunar Program and Skylab threw out together with RB153 put in a museum.
  30. Lucy
    Lucy April 29 2018 09: 49
    0
    ............ It was assumed that it was the Yak-141 aircraft that would become the basis of the wing of the Soviet aircraft-carrying cruisers, including Tbilisi (Admiral Kuznetsov).

    I’m lying on the couch, but I didn’t read any further. You need to know what coating is applied to the flight deck of the aircraft carrier. cruiser adm. Kuznetsov, and the temperature of the gases behind the turbine of the engines of the Yak-141. And then guess. Test flights of the Yak-141 did not take place on Kuznetsov, although there was a platform for vertics. takeoff and landing aircraft on the flight deck is.
    Well, if the roots are Russian, do the same.
    1. Spez
      Spez April 30 2018 18: 26
      0
      The tests were missed on the "Gorshkov", in the text, although with an error, but this is written. They have the same coverage for flight decks, but by the method of scientific poking and by means of fire, it was found that the omega does not hold a stream of vertical when taking off. Therefore, the platforms for the GDP were first brewed with steel sheets, and then they were already closed with the Ak-9F greenfill. Well, then Yakimov dropped the car ...
      For reference, the names of the cover found in the public domain on the Internet.
  31. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 April 29 2018 17: 19
    +1
    Igor Sikorsky. He’s a Russian, though. On this basis - any Chinook, Iroquois, B, Apache, Comanche - Russian things. Conclusion - it’s time to drive the senators who saw Washington with pissed rags. Need to change!
  32. NordUral
    NordUral April 29 2018 18: 42
    0
    This is called military industrial espionage. But this deal of the liberals of the 90s pulls, in fact, to the highest measure. Like so much more from those years.
  33. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 29 2018 19: 15
    +2
    Cooperation with amers came out sideways, in any case, to the Saratov aircraft factory. They tore off the glider in what and do not hesitate, and then spent 650 million of those dollars so that the plant would not be gone, now there is a shopping center. In my memory, three times the investigation began and then successfully closed. One can see a great power among those involved in a state crime, but if only this plant. By the way, 141 world records were set on the Yak-15. It can be seen that a bad dancer is always in the way.
  34. Spez
    Spez April 30 2018 07: 43
    +1
    Quote: MadCat
    developers have fulfilled the most important requirement, cost-effectiveness

    As in a joke:
    A puffy lady makes an order at McDonald's ...
    - I have two Big Macs, a cheeseburger, a big french fries, two mayonnaise and a diet Coke ...
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 30 2018 11: 59
      +1
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