Presented to the award. Pilot cadet made an emergency landing on the L-39

The pilot-cadet of the Krasnodar Military Aviation School emergency landed training aircraft L-39 after the birds hit the engine, there were no injuries, according to the Department of Information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Immediately after taking off at a height of 200 meters, a bird flew into the engine of the L-39 training aircraft, causing damage to the power plant. Under conditions of limited time, the pilot-cadet of the 4 course, Mikhail Yemanov, estimated the situation and immediately decided to land the plane on an unprepared open area without landing gear.

- Reported in the department.

According to the defense ministry, the incident occurred during a training flight from the airfield of the aerospace base air base in Maykop.

The military department noted that due to the professional actions of the pilot, the plane received minor damage and will soon be used after the maintenance, as intended.

The Commander-in-Chief of the All-Union Congress for the courage he presented to the cadet for the award

Comments

[Theodore]

He awarded himself! stayed alive!

[Hire]

200 meters! And the CURSOR managed to assess the situation, make a decision, perform all the actions and land the plane! The guy is really cool!

[NIKNN]

Write off to hell. I did not follow the instructions ... This is not heroism, this is impenetrability stupid ...

[vorobey]

Quote: NIKNN

Write off to hell. I did not follow the instructions ... This is not heroism, this is impenetrability stupid ...

Kohl, I'm not a flyer, I'm amphibious fuel oil ... share .. for me so handsome boy ...

[NIKNN]

The instructions are written clearly, in case of engine failure on takeoff, one action is CATAPULED !!! If he had been killed, even having flown on a stone in a field, now everyone would have shaved who came to hand. I scrubbed (I was an instructor) I would have written off ...

[hrych]

Quote: NIKNN

I scrubbed (I was an instructor) I would have written off ...

Yeah, he himself would have found himself in such a situation, would have begun to heroize, the genes of the great forefathers would have played

[NIKNN]

Quote: hrych

Yeah, he himself would have found himself in such a situation, would have begun to heroize, the genes of the great forefathers would have played

Well, for the heroism of the order, but for the fact that it does not correspond to the selection of pichotbor ...

[hrych]

Quote: NIKNN

Well, for the heroism of the order, but for the fact that it does not correspond to the selection of pichotbor ...

And the top five for the theory of an emergency landing without a chassis?

[Inok10]

Quote: hrych

And the top five for the theory of an emergency landing without a chassis?

... here is more likely for the Practice ... from other sources appear:
- received a contingency
- appreciated the situation
- He has made a decision
- notified Flight Manager
- complied with the decision
... in general, there are no words ... in the 4th year ... and such cold-competent decisions ... debatable from the point of view of flight safety ... yes, but fact and execution ... as in the Classic - Winners are not judged ...

[NIKNN]

Quote: hrych

And the top five for the theory of an emergency landing without a chassis?

Damn Hrych, I say the first emotion ... "I would kill for hell ) Just imagine .. (and I imagined ..) your cadet takes off, you stand in the square and watch the take-off of your fosterling ... and damn it, and then the plane crashes, but this bastard does not catapult ... Well, get in place .. ..

[hrych]

Yes, I get it. You are absolutely right, no hardware is worth such a risk and the life of a pilot. And landing on the belly rather a fortunate coincidence.

[Bad_santa]

Is there an option that he just took the hell out of it and he just froze from the excitement? How much time does it take from engine failure to touching the ground from such a height? And how does an airplane behave in such a situation?

[NIKNN]

Quote: Bad_Santa

And how does an airplane behave in such a situation?

There is speed, flap cleaning height, judging by the photo, he didn’t have time to remove them (the emergency situation had already begun), otherwise the plane would have drawn a drawdown ... If you promptly switch to a decrease, you can get into the standard glide path (well, according to the height of speed) Refueling I don’t know what it was like, without an engine, the vertical should be at least 10-15 m / s (although it can be less without a chassis) so it had 15 seconds before touching ... there was only one attempt at alignment (without the engine in two stages, the first and second alignment) It is difficult to calculate something, where it will endure ... I say there the guardian angel piloted ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: NIKNN

I say there the guardian angel piloted ..

Well, if the Guardian Angel himself, then be him a pilot !!!
Nikolai, however, you are sternly strict.
Although .., the instructor should be like that!

[NIKNN]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Well, if the Guardian Angel himself, then be him a pilot !!!

Yes, God forbid !!! I don’t mind ..., but strictness has nothing to do with it, you can say the first emotion (I would kill ), It’s just that the situation is close and the task is to teach us to stay alive, and not heroes, more benefits. In fact, there are so far serious conclusions, there is nothing to do so far, there is too little information, I just lost what I was given, naturally with some assumptions. I already wrote, well, for example, there is such a problem as the psychological fear of bailouts ... who knows for what reason he did just that, but believe in these 10-15 seconds, he did not even have time to think about anything, everything happened on reflexes. ..

[Hire]

Quote: NIKNN

everything happened on reflexes.

Here! So all the same, the instructors did a good job, since the reflexes were scored under the crust! To instructors - a can of cognac!

[sabakina]

Quote: NIKNN

I say, there the guardian angel piloted ...

Nikolai, you yourself condemned him, and then had mercy. Listen to you, so Chkalov generally had to be sent to fool. And if this is modern Pokryshkin? I personally consider the speed of thought and reaction plus luck with God's help. And I think the Russian "maybe" would not have been a ride here.

[NIKNN]

Vyacheslav? Times are not the same ... but before the pilot using modern technology, you just have to stay alive like that for about 3 years, then somewhere and somehow ... you can feel the plane, under Chkalov it was a little different, the pilot took off there because they flew practically without instruments and, as they say with their asses, the plane initially felt otherwise it was not fate to fly up. In the same flight in a circle on the L-39, the pilot receives information from about 300 information points. Believe me, Vyacheslav now everything is different ... the head should not just be, but also work ... But what was pardoned, but no ..., just the information is not enough to definitely say something ... I’m sure, maybe they promised and will reward, but here he will not rake in the process of analysis a little ...

[Bad_santa]

Yes, here everyone will have a double feeling. That he saved the plane — well done, and that he risked his life — to flog and not allow a month to fly.
And in the days of piston engines, the pilot relied more on his senses and sensations. Now the pilot relies more on instruments and instructions. In those days, without any embellishment, the pilot was born, and when they became pilots, such people simply entered their native element.

[alexmach]

NIKNN,
And tell me please, could he fly alone without an instructor?
And still could, theoretically, the catapult fail?

[NIKNN]

Quote: alexmach

And tell me please, could he fly alone without an instructor?

Yes, independent flights on the L-39 are performed without an instructor with a "rear" (in the sense of preparing the rear cockpit for such a flight) rear cockpit, they always fly, there are no single L-39s.

Quote: alexmach

And still could, theoretically, the catapult fail?

Theoretically, everything could be, I repeat, for specific conclusions I have a scanty amount of information and based on it (not the fact that it is, personal opinion from the information and some experience) is inclined to think about a psychological problem. There is such a fear of bailouts, and believe me, it’s very difficult to cross it) That's why I mentioned poor-quality professional psychological selection when enrolling in a school and admitting to flights ...

[Siberian]

200 m? Yes, instantly. The lower limit of disclosing a spare in the clear sky (when nothing around is in the way) is 150 m. The rest is already a deadly trick, which super experts show on the show

[NIKNN]

Quote: Siberian

200 m? Yes, instantly. The lower limit of disclosing a spare in the clear sky (when nothing around is in the way) is 150 m. The rest is already a deadly trick, which super experts show on the show

Irina. An ejection seat provides for ejection from a height of 0 and a speed of 0 On the L-39, it seems that at a height of 0, the speed should be more than 10 km \ h

[RL]

Dear Nicholas. Old VS-2s saved at 0/0. Here, most likely, catapult fobie takes place.

[Siberian]

And super hard landing?

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: NIKNN

Well, for the heroism of the order, but for the fact that it does not correspond to the selection of pichotbor ...

In Russia, the principle of "winners are not judged" has long been in effect, if it would have crashed, if they had received everything from the bottom to the top, they taught poorly, managed to land, all the fellows, orders and medals, taught how to

[Zubr]

So all the same, first fuck for failure to follow instructions, then reward. Naturally reprimand in the chest .... well, let them fly ....

[igorka357]

Well, yeah, we have every second person in the country .. the VKS is learning how not to write off .. there’s the turn under the fence! The guy worked correctly and stayed alive and kept the plane more or less !!! Nikolai, don’t carry nonsense .. you are not the Soviet Union here, right now, we don’t have enough personnel like that ..

[PROXOR]

You tell Kozhedub this. He was told not to rise into the sky in Korean. But he somehow put a bolt.

[NIKNN]

Sergey, do not confuse the database when conscience does not allow hiding behind the comrades' backs and actions in special cases in flight, where each letter is written in blood and all the necessary actions are legalized to it. Believe me, it’s not grateful to invent anything new here ... And I'm just happy that he didn’t write another page in the instructions with his blood. And here there are few options, either they didn’t learn to act as it should before automatism, or a psychological fear of terrible bailouts, or stuck a guy (and more experienced pilots wedge) and the guardian angel landed the plane ... In any case, it’s a better living pilot than a dead hero .. .

[iouris]

It is known that pilots really do not like to jump with a parachute, but then bailout. Interestingly, deductible on dual-control aircraft?

[NIKNN]

Quote: iouris

Interestingly, deductible on dual-control aircraft?

How is it? The dual control is by no means here ... The flight is independent, single-handedly ... If it wasn’t by chance that the engine turned off ... (it seems that at this stage it shouldn’t have worked with the engine speed yet ... It was preparing to remove the flaps, most likely there’s a bird ... well ... there will be further analysis ...

[iouris]

There was a case. The lieutenant in the first independent flight to the MiG-27M encountered a problem: jammed RUS. The plane landed, working as a trimmer. He was praised ... and transferred to the An-26.

[NIKNN]

Quote: iouris

He was praised ... and transferred to the An-26.

After this, perhaps he was not against it ... I imagined how to put this pepelats with a trimer and turns .... This one is definitely from God, but ... I do not justify unnecessary risk, a living pilot is more valuable ...

[iouris]

Perhaps he had a "hairy arm" and he did not mind moving into a separate squadron serving the district command. Not the point.
By the way, on the eve he "accidentally" worked out actions with a similar failure on the simulator.

[Azim77]

Apparently just flopped as is, having done nothing. Miraculously escaped. Well, good.

[hrych]

Quote: Azim77

Apparently just flopped as is

Well, yes, from 200 meters, I would have flopped. They taught how to crash, so he sat down.

[vorobey]

Quote: Azim77

Apparently just flopped as is, having done nothing. Miraculously escaped. Well, good.

a miracle does not roll ... from 200 meters ..

[NKT]

The principle works here - winners are not judged

[keeper03]

In the light of recent events, pilots are forced to pay for "killed" equipment in court! Crew example IL-18who sat down accidentally! What would you do ?! Would catapult ?!
I think that the guy acted correctly, even though he put his life at great risk!

[NIKNN]

Yes, we don’t have a goal to save equipment at the expense of the life of the cadet, and the training is being built ... Here now from the sofa without full information it’s reliable that it’s hard to say something, well, for example, there is such a problem as the psychological fear of bailouts ... who knows for what reason he did just that, but believe in these 10-15 seconds, he did not even have time to think about anything, everything happened on reflexes ...

[sabakina]

Quote: NIKNN

everything happened on reflexes ...

Kohl, I don’t know whether reflexes or not, but sometimes things happen that can’t be called God's providence.

[NIKNN]

Glory here to argue with you is simply pointless!

[iouris]

Quote: keeper03

the guy acted correctly, even though he put his life at great risk!

Exposed when he entered. Now this is his everyday life.

[Pete mitchell]

I agree,

Quote: NIKNN

The instructions are written clearly, in case of engine failure on takeoff, the action is ONE CATAPULED !!! If he had been killed, even having run into a stone in a field, now everyone would be shaved who fell under ...

to the fourth course, it is necessary for the mind to pick up already

[Comrade Beria]

In 2006, an instructor died in Armavir, the catapult did not work. On the L-39.

[Conrad]

Quote: NIKNN

The instructions are written clearly, in case of engine failure on takeoff, the action is ONE CATAPULED !!!

So 200 meters is not take off, but climb!

[NIKNN]

Quote: Conrad

So 200 meters is not take off, but climb!

Well, actually it’s still a takeoff, the flap clearance height .... There just can be ejected without options. Now, if immediately after separation, that is, the option to annoy in front of you, and even then it depends on the length of the strip ...

[NN52]

And 200 meters, this is not the flap clearance on L 39 ..

[NIKNN]

Quote: NN52

And 200 meters, this is not the flap clearance on L 39 ..

150 ... 200 is written in the article, in the photo there are flaps in the take-off, I think a bird got somewhere at the height of the harvest, there wasn’t any further ...

[NN52]

50-70 m .... cleaning up to 100

[NN52]

Nicholas

Have you always followed the letter instructions?

[NIKNN]

Quote: NN52

Have you always followed the letter instructions?

Special cases in flight should be worked out automatically ... It seems that in these situations it is difficult to come up with something new ...

[NN52]

Bird in the lantern on take-off? There is no such special case.

[NIKNN]

Quote: NN52

Bird in the lantern on take-off? There is no such special case.

I don’t remember anymore, but the destruction of the glazing of the lantern is stipulated ... I personally had a case when working out an SC attack from complex species, on the Mig-21 the predator didn’t like the left side of the front glazing ... Well, the mask is denser than the sun filter down and normal landing , here the engine is all the same, but about the engine all the OSBs are described, from surging to fire ...

[NN52]

Not specified ...

Mach, what is stipulated, is the depressurization of the cabin ...
But it’s on top ...

[NN52]

By the way, I sent two messages via personal mail through the site ... to you ..
Did not reach ..

[NIKNN]

Excuse me, Dima, I’m from the mobile version ..., I’m in the bathhouse ... Look sorry

[NIKNN]

Unfortunately did not reach ....
My direct mail... [email protected]

[Sergerius]

eat yourself, scrub

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Sergerius

eat yourself, scrub

Do not be rude to the instructor. In a decent society, they get up when the instructor enters

[faridg7]

Greetings! Well, I really didn’t understand where, but among the cadets in Maykop there is an opinion that the ejection seat on the albatross often works abnormally. that is, the chair was shot back, but it did not go off the guides and wedged in that position. The pilot will not be able to do anything from this position, nor control anything, nor get off this structure in an oncoming stream. My cadet told me about this last year, and when the news about the incident slipped through, then to my question why the cadet did not catapult, he answered in complete bewilderment — he wanted to live, but the catapult might not work. Among other things, surely the confidence in the result of the bailout was diminished by the fact that the lantern of the cabin was broken and at least a couple of birds flew into the cabin. So that guy is well done, and not a boy already- and married and it seems like a child is.

[NIKNN]

Farid You probably understood my position, I have not once said that the conclusions will be relevant when everything becomes clear .. I do not even affirm my position ... All my conclusions are based only on experience and, believe me, not a single cadet was written off, everyone flew out without incident, although he taught foreigners even those who were called "Ethiop is your mother" ... really, this is not my whim and not bias ... everything is in life ...

[faridg7]

No, I understood everything, and everything was right, I also told my cadet that there was a violation of instructions and simply incredible luck (according to my cadet, the terrain is interesting there, like a flat field, and if you pass, then pit, then the ditch will meet). Yesterday we went with a cadet to Khabarovsk, we talked a lot on this occasion (by the way, I noticed that the boy clearly fulfills the requirements of the signs, he became a kind of disciplined driver, before the school he was kind of a prankster or something). In general, we agreed that the catapult is also a mechanism and there is a probability of failure, but this does not mean that this probability is one hundred percent, but the landing is just a miracle that the guy remained alive. However, in me, all the arguments are covered by the fact that the guy, in spite of everything, was not taken aback and gently plopped the car. By the way, I saw in the photo the state of the guy’s school after this landing. Creepy.

[NIKNN]

Quote: faridg7

By the way, I saw in the photo the state of the guy’s school after this landing. Creepy.

Inclining that the stupor was present there, and the guardian angel planted ... Judge for yourself when landing without an engine to "calculate" and I would not have expected ... then I managed to somehow take the handle on myself and successfully ... Without an engine in general, it is necessary to do 2 alignments, but for this I see and count a point in it, I doubt that there was a calculation ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NIKNN

and the guardian angel planted ...

Farid, Nikolai remember the shortest prayer, the American marines handed out before landing on Iwo Jima: Lord, you know how I will be busy today if I forget about you, not for you about me. The Lord did not forget about him.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: faridg7

There is an opinion that the ejection seat on the albatross often works abnormally. that is, the chair was shot back, but it didn’t go off the rails and stuck in this position

Farid, and who puts that into their heads? In my memory, such an incident was on the Su-27 in Krymsk, but a very long time ago. By the way, the pilot is a phenomenon: he “ruined” three - 27: missile deviation at launch, landing with unbraked chassis and non-throwing of the flashlight during bailout. Did someone read the summary to them?
Recently, here in VO, one officer, the unit commander refused to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of Kalashnikov: for all sorts of things, the soldiers should not have doubts about equipment, equipment ...

[faridg7]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Farid, and who puts that into their heads?

Well, it’s necessary to sit down with a cadet to talk, maybe he’ll tell you something specific, but until it works out, he’s on vacation, though, but it’s a young thing, he hangs with the girl, I only saw him in a week for a couple of days and when in Khabarovsk dangled

[Hire]

Nikolay, what does the instruction say about this?

[NIKNN]

Quote: Hire

Nikolay, what does the instruction say about this?

The instructions are written clearly, in case of engine failure on takeoff, the action is ONE CATAPULED !!! It is as if the intern at the nuclear power plant did not follow the instructions in the event of a failure, but ran with his hands to pull out the emergency rod and pulled out the same length ... If he had been killed, even having flown on a stone in a field, now everyone would have shaved who came to hand.

[Hire]

Quote: NIKNN

If he had been killed, even having flown on a stone in a field, now everyone would have shaved who came to hand.

In that case, yes, I violated. But, after all, he is talented! This is, like, "Grasshopper" from "Only Old Men Are Going to the Battle". She is such a youth.

[NIKNN]

The instructor did not manage to hammer as it should, but with discipline ... (although I think there is a psychological nuance, for example, fear of bailouts, I also need to step over myself very much), so it’s more likely not with discipline ... Well, there will still be disassembly, they will enlighten whom I hope ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: NIKNN

Write off to hell. I did not follow the instructions ... This is not heroism, this is impenetrability stupid ...

Kolya, why are you so ruffled? What kind of regulations did he violate? If you are such a cool specialist in NPP, then you need to reasonably lay out your claims, and not just wave your hands.

[NIKNN]

The instructions are written clearly, in case of engine failure on takeoff, the action is ONE CATAPULED !!! It is as if the intern at the nuclear power plant did not follow the instructions in the event of a failure, but ran with his hands to pull out the emergency rod and pulled out the same length ... If he had been killed, even having flown on a stone in a field, now everyone would have shaved who came to hand.

[vorobey]

Quote: NIKNN

The instructions are written clearly, in case of engine failure on takeoff, the action is ONE CATAPULED !!! It is as if the intern at the nuclear power plant did not follow the instructions in the event of a failure, but ran with his hands to pull out the emergency rod and pulled out the same length ... If he had been killed, even having flown on a stone in a field, now everyone would have shaved who came to hand.

the boy proved that the instructions must be rewritten ...

[NIKNN]

Quote: vorobey

the boy proved that the instructions must be rewritten ...

He proved that at the professional selection he was accidentally missed and allowed to fly ... Blood instructions are written ... And thank God that I didn’t add my page there ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: NIKNN

He proved that at the professional selection he was accidentally missed and allowed to fly ...

It’s good that at the “professional selection” (the credentials committee in my time was called that), such truncheons as you are not present. Otherwise, we would get the US Army.
PS. Are you, by any chance, not a green beret from the US Army Special Forces?

[Siberian]

The credentials committee and professional selection are slightly different things, the commissions are guided by the results of professional selection (testing) + exam results + conclusion of VVK (VLK). And why insult a respected forum member with this

PS. Are you, by any chance, not a green beret from the US Army Special Forces?

[sabakina]

Quote: NIKNN

And thank God that I didn’t add my page there ...

Kolya, I do not agree. Each state of emergency, the more successfully ended, is sorted out bit by bit and conclusions are drawn, which then complement the source instructions.

[NIKNN]

Glory believe the conclusion will be one. The instructor is a domestic village animal (yes, in fact, everything is up to the regiment, inclusive). This incident will not be included in the instructions, but in the quarterly collection of accidents and catastrophes on the Air Force with conclusions for edification everyone will definitely be included ...

[Comrade Beria]

Or maybe the guy is still a hero?
In Krasnodar, from the runway to the east, 1.4 km, the private sector begins, and to the west-garden plots is 2.2 km.

And the accident occurred on take-off. And who knows where an uncontrollable plane would fall. (I don’t know the take-off course) but everywhere people.

[helmi8]

Quote: Comrade Beria

In Krasnodar, from the runway to the east, 1.4 km, the private sector begins, and to the west-garden plots is 2.2 km.

According to the defense department, the incident occurred during a training flight from the aerodrome of the aerospace aerospace forces in maykop.

[iouris]

Quote: NIKNN

the boy proved that the instructions must be rewritten ...

For a long time it was necessary to abandon the L-39 with the benefit of the Yak-130 with an improved chair.

[NIKNN]

Quote: iouris

For a long time it was necessary to abandon the L-39 with the benefit of the Yak-130 with an improved chair

I think there is in your thought that there are 2 engines (and here, apparently, a bird fell), but according to statistics, the Yak-130 has had more accidents over the past time ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: vorobey

..the kid proved that the instructions must be rewritten ...

You don’t tell anyone else: NIKNN is clearly right: the boy proved that he does not know the documents

[NIKNN]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

NIKNN is definitely right: the boy proved that he does not know the documents

Thank you for your support. This is generally not my whim personally, it is written in blood and I will repeat it again, thank God that he did not enter his page there. And I should know the documents for the 4th year, I am inclined to the psychological problem of the cadet, maybe the fear of bailouts (sometimes not surmountable), which is why I noted that I did not recognize the psychological professional selection when I was enrolled in the school. By the way, 50% of it is absolutely healthy ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NIKNN

..not my whim personally, it is written in blood and again I repeat, thank God that he did not enter his page there

Please, I’m like a scrub too all that you said, I would say it myself. He is lucky and lucky, nothing more. Experienced comrades have always said: the plane wants to kill you, drop it and don’t think about it. For almost half a minute my instructor persuaded the eagle, which jammed and in a similar situation, he did not jerk his hands, he "went out" himself just before the blow, the cadet was lucky. Showdowns will be sickly, they will appoint the guilty and they will not forget him.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Please, I’m like a scrub too

Well, you understood me, and it’s too early to blow into the pipes in front of oh oh ... I didn’t say anything gag, it’s zhist, I say it’s necessary to understand, but something tells me to cover it ... Not evil can kill itself in the end and ... God forbid ...

[Pete mitchell]

"Eagle" is already giving an interview: saving expensive equipment ... You are right: to drive so that the "heroes" do not multiply

[Piramidon]

Quote: NIKNN

The instructions are written clearly, in case of engine failure on takeoff, the action is ONE CATAPULED !!! It is as if the intern at the nuclear power plant did not follow the instructions in the event of a failure, but ran with his hands to pull out the emergency rod and pulled out the same length ... If he had been killed, even having flown on a stone in a field, now everyone would have shaved who came to hand.

In addition to all the instructions there is a clause "to really assess the situation." The guy appreciated and made the right decision. And in your opinion, for every light on the red light, do you need to eject?

[BZTM]

He’s some kind of alarmist, Styop ... In such a situation, I would rather be on board with you, not with him ...

[NIKNN]

Well, how to evaluate the quality of the site? From the top, they are all even ..., he didn’t evaluate anything, somehow planted (the landing itself was not overly difficult (but also not easy for the cadet, especially), the guardian angel planted it there ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: NIKNN

Well, how to evaluate the quality of the site? From the top they are all smooth ..., he didn’t evaluate anything,

When I was in college, I knew all the approaches to it. (ran into AWOL). And before the cadet of the flight school, the entire route and the “box” are completely laid out before setting the mission for the flight.
Kolya, it’s better to honestly admit that you froze garbage than to insert any excuses.
As my squadron commander said, “Born to crawl, don't get confused on the runway”

[NIKNN]

Quote: Piramidon

Kolya, it’s better to honestly admit that you froze garbage than to insert any excuses.

I do not confess, this is my belief and the knowledge of what I say. We don’t have a goal of saving the plane at the cost of the cadet’s life and he’s always an instructor, and during the pre-flight training and in the pre-training class, he hammered and practiced on simulators, all the actions there were only one Catapult in this situation ... Either they taught me bad things, or beat failed...

[keeper03]

Unfortunately, you confuse the Soviet time with the current, Russian!
Well, if the guy does not show material damage!

[NIKNN]

Believe me, they will not show ..., but unlike this article, the disassembly will not be weak, and there he will not look very good ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: keeper03

Well, if the guy does not show material damage

What hangover? Here are people like you, who do not know anything about the organization of flights, trying to insert their stupid “three pennies” into the discussion of what you, as they say, “have no ears, haven't snooped”. To look smart, you better keep silent.

[Conrad]

There is a joke on this subject: A general is present in the regiment for readiness control. Zapolotnaya takes turns interviewing the commanders, then the "Pravakov", the navigators. It comes to the youngest navigator. Then the general intervenes in control:
- Introductory: at the stage of approach to the test site, ASF-1 failure! (aviation clock in the cockpit on the dashboard) What are you doing?
- I check the clock winding, make sure of a malfunction, report to the crew commander, switch to the countdown for the navigator’s manual clock with ASF control on the right pilot’s dashboard, make an entry in the flight log and mark it in the landing gear.
- Two points !!! You have to jump! The trouble alone does not go!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: NIKNN

Well, how to evaluate the quality of the site? From the top they are all smooth ..., he didn’t evaluate anything,

When I was in college, I knew all the approaches to it. (ran into AWOL). And the cadet of the flight school, before setting the mission for the flight, the entire route and the "box" is fully disclosed ..

And when I was in college, I had a clear idea in which direction to turn and where it would be better to tear “by the hand” so that the plane doesn’t fall on anyone’s head, in about the same area.

[alexmach]

Well .. the site is probably still famous, the training ground. can there be a cleared strip behind it right up to the horizon?

[NIKNN]

Quote: alexmach

Well .. the site is probably still famous, the training ground. can there be a cleared strip behind it right up to the horizon?

Yes, the crocodiles of the airfield provide for emergency landing sites ... well, it’s rather a memory of Tu-95 and M22 bombers (without the “M”) when the bailout took place down, this hour is an anachronism that kills such heroes ... but even on an airplane simulator (I'm not talking about the real situation) you won’t go there under all the previously predicted conditions provided to you ... but in the real world when you are given 10 I doubt this situation, well, don’t put in 15 seconds even with the 50th attempt ... Well, believe me the word ... to prove it is just risking your lives ... I think yours will come in handy for our civilization ... (don’t take it as a joke, I honestly said) ... your comments are at least reasonable ...

[iouris]

Quote: NIKNN

Well, how to evaluate the quality of the site?

Make an emergency landing. Reward the owner of the site. Archivocally.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Piramidon

..in the instructions there is a clause "to really assess the situation." The guy appreciated and made the right decision.

Are you serious? Yes, he was lucky that he remained alive and nothing more. And if there was a hole and “Hello God,” who would tell his parents about the “right choice”? And if he is allowed to fly, he will be lucky twice.

Quote: Piramidon

. For each red light coming on, do you need to catapult?

We must react correctly, in the documents almost everything is described: and he was taught this. He was just lucky and no more, he did not have to sculpt a new Chkalov from him. He will not go into textbooks as a positive example.

[airgus]

It is ambiguously written there. There is also such an option as landing in front of you. Which he basically did. True, there is a reservation that this is done if the engine failure occurred immediately after separation, and not at an altitude of 200 m. But I believe that the guy is still well done!

[Piramidon]

Quote: airgus

It is ambiguously written there. There is also such an option as landing in front of you. Which he basically did. True, there is a reservation that this is done if the engine failure occurred immediately after separation, and not at an altitude of 200 m. But I believe that the guy is still well done!

Among other things, he already had some kind of piloting experience (the guy made an independent flight), with skillful skills, the L-39 plans well with a failed engine. So this cadet is a future cool pilot in our VKS, as if all sorts of "NIKNN" would not incline him.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Piramidon

NIKNN "did not persuade him.

It’s another question whether he will become a VKS pilot, disassemblies will be sickly and someone will burn to the fullest, and the instigator will definitely not be “forgotten”. So that others are not used to violating NPP. Our instructors said: 'heroes' are loved only by the dead, and nobody needs the living.
NIKNN is right, it's hard to disagree with him

[Varyag77]

Quote: NIKNN

Write off to hell. I did not follow the instructions ... This is not heroism, this is impenetrability stupid ...

Here you would be the commander in chief of the Air Force..that order would be brought. True, they would leave the country without Chkalov and many other "gouging" who turned into first-class pilots and the pride of the country.
All right. write off everyone.
And the guy is handsome. It means that he didn’t go according to fashion, but according to vocation.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Varyag77

All right. write off everyone.
And the guy is handsome. It means that he didn’t go according to fashion, but according to vocation.

You would have killed all handsome men by vocation as cadets ... and it would not have been their fate to have survived before Chkalov.

[Varyag77]

Quote: NIKNN

Quote: Varyag77

All right. write off everyone.
And the guy is handsome. It means that he didn’t go according to fashion, but according to vocation.

You would have killed all handsome men by vocation as cadets ... and it would not have been their fate to have survived before Chkalov.

Something brings you to the wrong steppe. The guy decided to save the car. Once one was already admitted to independent flights. So he is already a pilot. And he saved the plane. As far as I know, it is the desire to save the car that is the highest sign of a true pilot. And he believed in himself. And did. And you immediately .. it was necessary to quit.
Neither you nor I can be guaranteed to assess the degree of risk. We were not in the cab. Here we trample the keys. So ... that's right. Courage must be encouraged.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Varyag77

... he is already a pilot. And he saved the plane. As far as I know, it is the desire to save the car that is the highest sign of a true pilot.

Someone misled you

Quote: Varyag77

... Courage must be encouraged.

Courage is needed, but it's all about something else. This is about competent actions, more precisely about erroneous actions: the investigation will show

[Berkut154]

Yeah. Smart all in hindsight! Especially on earth, yes? Winners are not judged. And what would happen after leaving? Would he have passed VLEK then? where would the car fly? Many questions. Being a 4th year pilot, he performed an independent flight and understood all responsibility for his actions and made a DECISION !! The team has already been given to award him OM and this is correct. RP clearly gave the command according to the instructions, otherwise the skin would have been removed from it ... the heroes are born because they squander in the name of the life of others, departing from the rules. This is exactly the case here. Guy a great career in the sky is waiting!

[svp67]

Quote: Hire

The guy is really cool!

It seems that the Order of Courage awaits him ...

[Dam]

There are guys born winged, this one of them. Cool man

[loki565]

And here is the hero’s video)))

Quote: Hire

200 meters! And the CURSOR managed to assess the situation, make a decision, perform all the actions and land the plane! The guy is really cool!

[KCA]

According to the "Star" showed, he also got a bird in the lantern, the lantern is broken with feathers and blood

[keeper03]

Here in more detail: http://livekuban.ru/news/proisshestviya/ku
rsant-krasnodarskogo-letnogo-uchilishcha-posadil-
na-bryukho-aircraft-s-povrezhdennym-dvigatelem

[Patriot5000]

But isn’t that a spark, was he alone?

[svp67]

Quote: Patriot5000

But isn’t that a spark, was he alone?

So it’s like it’s not the first year, it can already fly independently

[bouncyhunter]

Cadet pilot made an emergency landing on the L-39

And I thought that only in Belarus we still train on the “Czechs" ...

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

And I thought that only here in Belarus we are still training on the “Czechs" ..

Why is a plane bad? There is a resource, let it fly until a new one replaces it ... Moreover, the Albatross is good-looking ...

[bouncyhunter]

So I'm not saying that he is bad, even our aerobatic team "Belaya Rus" flies to them. I just thought that the Russians had already moved to the Yak-130, if ours were buying them.

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

I just thought that the Russians had already moved to the Yak-130, if ours were buying them.

One another is not a hindrance ...

[bouncyhunter]

Now I myself understood.

[NIKNN]

Quote: svp67

that the Albatross is handsome ...

For the initial training, it’s not really bad, the flaws in the thrust-weight ratio of the L-29 Dolphin were taken into account, and for that period he arranged in all respects .., Now they have made a bet on the possibility of training on one plane as close as possible to the set .., Well, of course, but how the pilot nevertheless adheres to the variant of sparks of a particular type, the electronics are great, it loads the controls according to the type of the given airplane ... I’m not talking about the cost, well, on landing, you still need to have skills from the simplest way .. fly ... Well, how can I instill the skills of landing a Tu-22 aircraft from the Yak-130 cockpit. But this is the main thing ... The mission is carried out there by the operator’s navigator half with the aircraft commander ... but landing only on to the pilot ... No, the topic is worth investing in, but closer to the unmanned version, when the pilot controls from the smoking room with the help of a joystick ... so far alas ... we see that with the L-39 there are problems when the joystick is powerless. ..

[svp67]

Quote: NIKNN

Well, how can I instill the skills of landing a Tu-22 aircraft from the Yak-130 cockpit.,

Well, for this, like a special Tu-134 is available

[Piramidon]

Quote: Patriot5000

But isn’t that a spark, was he alone?

4th year quite real independent flights.

[faterdom]

Well done. It will be a good pilot. Of those who, in a critical situation, only becomes more cool and more accurate.

[BZTM]

Wow .......
land the aircraft in an unprepared open area without landing gear
Krasava !!!

[CARLSON]

A good shift is growing up, there will be someone to change older comrades

[infantry76]

This is called skill, endurance and composure! Well done! I have the honor!

[longin]

This is called - "Dementia and courage." He acted, clearly, without thinking, on reflexes. And as I thought afterwards, I got it. I hope the comasco poured him 200 grams at a time, to remove the glove.

[Berkut154]

Dementia and courage is about two bums ... fishing with An-148 who tried to fly from DMD to Orsk.

[Bronevick]

Well done guy. What about the bird?

[dvina71]

Which of its parts?

[Bronevick]

Maybe something like glue? The bird is also a pity.

[Simargl]

After repair in business.

[longin]

The bird, the goose, at least, carved the lantern peak (frontal slit) and decorated the face of our hero with his rich inner world (if he flew with a raised filter). It was lucky that my eyes were not broken. And in the engine, along the way, either fragments of the lantern flew in, or another one of the same bird.

[Patriot5000]

still just a place could be where to sit flat. And then we have built residential buildings in Krasnodar in 20 floors and planes almost in between land for landing. On the other hand, the truth is empty, the city cemetery is huge. Pilots said that under Serdyukov, they almost closed the school.

[Masya masya]

Mikhail Emanov assessed the situation and instantly decided to land the aircraft on an unprepared open area without landing gear

where ours didn’t disappear ... thanks for being alive!

[Alexander War]

He is alive and healthy and this is important!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Masya Masya

.. thanks for being alive!

here thanks and enough, the rest will add the investigation

[helmi8]

Quote: Masya Masya

Mikhail Emanov assessed the situation and instantly decided to land the aircraft on an unprepared open area without landing gear

This phrase reminded me of another - "The helicopter was landing, the screws rotated more and more slowly." Journalists can .....
I will express my opinion. Most likely, he acted "on reflexes", it is unlikely that he evaluated something. I agree with Nikolai (NIKNN) - in this case, this heroism will come to him sideways. And there was no point in risking - the plane did not fall on the village, and the test pilot did not try to save the new plane. It seems like a hero - but it will pour out to everyone, starting from himself and further on to the RP, fathers-commanders-instructors.

[evil partisan]

Krasava! It will go far.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: faterdom

Well done. It will be a good pilot. Of those who, in a critical situation, only becomes more cool and more accurate.

Exactly.
Not every “veteran” has such composure.

[Heterocapsa]

the birds flew I hope the bird is all right

[Baloo]

Quote: Heterocapsa

the birds flew I hope the bird is all right

And this bird is not mishandled from aggressive neighbors?
Respect guy, respect for parents and teachers.
Speaking of birds. Flocks of swans fly through our village every year, sometimes they sit on the river to rest. The village geese then run around, wave their wings, like they want to fly after them, but it doesn’t work out. Last weekend, a lone crane flew over the house, either lagging behind the flock, or vice versa, the flock scattered, and it stubbornly flies to its target in the south-west. He flew low, no higher than 50 meters, although the weather is good. Heard his voice of despair.
Something is wrong with nature and the climate.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Balu

Something is wrong with nature and the climate.

You are the one with Bagheera to ponder!
But seriously, until HAARP is covered with a copper basin, we will not agree with the weather. Joking as a joke, but ama seriously took up this problem. Remember the 2010 fires and smog over the Mother See ...
So, it's time to start your "tarmac" and send tornadoes to the States!

[Baloo]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Remember the 2010 fires and smog over the Mother See ...

Yes, I was driving to Moscow and that’s what I remember. You can see what a tremendous job was going on. They extinguished somewhere, extinguished somewhere. In one place you can see how a band was blowing from a ground 8-10 meters along the curb between the forest plantation and the highway, and suddenly a flame broke out in places of 80-90 cm. I noticed that there was nothing burning behind the forest planting, behind deciduous forest it’s off, but along the highway there is almost a strip between the curb and the pine forest. In the Nizhny Novgorod region there were already no such foci. It was evident that somewhere the smoke was hanging, but so that it was no longer burning on the way to Moscow. Peat bogs? I do not know.
Possibly drone and HAARP system. There is another side: the Far East and Siberia burn each year at about the same time, every year of the flood.
In Soviet school childhood, there was an article about satellites in Science and Life. There illustrations were given and it was said that satellite data allow us to determine the optimal harvesting time, predict floods and fires. So what's wrong with the Ministry of Emergencies?

[dvina71]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

then until HAARP is covered with a copper basin

Once again .. Everything .. everything is all .. human energy consumption per year is less than 1% of the solar energy absorbed by the Earth per day .. What kind of energy does HAARP have?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: dvina71

What is the energy of HAARP?

Colleague! You have a misunderstanding of the impact of HAARPA on the weather. He creates "lenses" in the ionosphere, and works ... space and the Sun! So what energy are you talking about !?

[dvina71]

It’s not like any energy. There are only two primary sources of energy on earth. The sun and core energy. Everything else is their derivatives. I don’t know what kind of lens is there and where the harp does, but the ionosphere is not only multilayered, it reflects exclusively radio waves, the rest of the spectrum calmly reaches the Earth. Sent or absorbed or reflected. It is solar energy that determines the climate on earth. And even to the core energy ... volcanoes.! Oh, how far .. but meanwhile there was a very large eruption of the volcano, the smoke and ashes of which completely covered the equatorial zone and even this did not practically affect the climate ..

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: dvina71

What is the energy of HAARP?

It's not about the "amount of energy", but about skill concentrate her in the right place at the right time. HAARP, the campaign, it can.
At one time, we lit cigarettes from a magnifier. What kind of "energy" is there in it? And the smoke was going quite well

[tlauicol]

winners are not judged - E. Velikaya

[Alexander War]

Add a photo, one bird hit the windshield

[NN52]

I read comments and thought ... I did not comment, there were a lot of misunderstandings.
Now, after the bird, everything has grown together /
Well done guy ..

[APASUS]

For a 4-year cadet - Great!
So it was not in vain that he ate government grubs.

[Bort radist]

Quote: NIKNN

The instructions are written clearly, in case of engine failure on takeoff, one action is CATAPULED !!! If he had been killed, even having flown on a stone in a field, now everyone would have shaved who came to hand. I scrubbed (I was an instructor) I would have written off ...

Back in the year 76, the town of Brzeg was on a business trip to Poland. Ours stood there on the SU-7B. Landfill near the airfield. They told a story. A young pilot, after launching a rocket, the engine "choked" from the gases. The guy tried to run, pulled to the strip. They ordered over the drives - to eject. He assured that he would land. Fulfilled the order. Board without him sat down and tipped over during the run and hooked the concrete wing overturned. The pilot was awarded. No one condemned him. They said - if they had allowed it, they would probably have planted it. But everyone understood that if he crashed, he would ruin not a single professional career. And the most unacceptable - did not comply with the order.

[Varna]

The instruction is not complied with. But courage, courage (the value of which was also emphasized by Pokryshkin in the pilots) - they probably atone for such disobedience. For selflessness in the struggle (the struggle for life, for the plane; and in the future - for selflessness in battle) - for this they awarded. Probably right.

[Baloo]

Quote: Bort Radist

And the most unacceptable - did not comply with the order.

But was Chkalov the only one who violated orders?

[Berkut24]

The guy did not describe, the car is almost whole. A born test, the head is cold!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Berkut24

The guy did not describe, the car is almost whole. A born test, the head is cold!

Lucky no more, if allowed to fly, until twice lucky

[NN52]

Priet Tramp!

Three times lucky ... will fly ..

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NN52

... will fly ..

Half a Two I’ll ask you: are these wishes to a guy or an assumption? You yourself went through this and you know that "distribution and packaging" will begin now, you’ll be lucky to fly

[Berkut24]

Remembering my military school, I think there will be a discount on the fact that a cadet. For him, science. For one beaten they give two not beaten.

[NN52]

Pete mitchell

Confidence ... But the "packaged" instrument ... But this accident has already reached the media, on all TV channels ... Therefore, they are unlikely to be punished directly ...
But the cadet has an unscheduled VLK after the accident ...............
Instr is responsible for the cadet, at 100%, you yourself know ... And in my case, all the same, I was already a combat pilot, so the "packaging and distribution of elephants" was on such a large and grandiose scale .... And recovery not subject, and the cost is not L 39 still was ....

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NN52

Confidence....

Maybe you're right. I am more confused that a violation of documents in the name of "winners are not judged" is almost equal to heroism. A conversation about the documents vseravno will soon arise; July 1 will soon be a tragedy over Lake Baden ..

[NN52]

Yes, I think this is not the point ...
Look at the blood pressure from the bird ... At a speed of about 300-400, so much “meat and blood” flew into his face, his eyes flew a little (I think the filter forbade him to lower it on take-off and landing, as I once did) , and the exercise, flying in a circle, maybe just recently flew ...
Well, the familiar op ...
On the basis of all these data, already today, meaningful ... I think the board sat without him ...))) But this is my opinion ...

And yet ... I suppose that the bird “visited” the flaps at the height of harvesting, 50-70 m, or even lower ... the board with the released ones lies on the ground ... Well, he did not let them out again ...

[Pete mitchell]

I won’t be surprised if you’re right, very similar.
But he already gives an interview on how to save "expensive" equipment. Apparently a command was given to mold the "eagle", which is not right. Where do we go ...: -o

[NN52]

Let's wait for the results ... telegrams ...

[Bort radist]

Quote: Balu

Quote: Bort Radist

And the most unacceptable - did not comply with the order.

But was Chkalov the only one who violated orders?

Chkalov is the only one, and dozens of those who violate orders, in aviation the price of error is very high. You will not slip for a long time.

[sabakina]

NIKNN,
Kolya, I don’t argue, the times are different, the planes are different, but the youth is different. They think faster than us. And that is a fact.

[Garius]

Krasava ... Born to fly, 100%

[dropout]

Violated or violated the instructions - they will figure it out. It will be necessary to push the ass. And we will put a candle for health in the joys!

[Shinbet]

Well, for me, then - well done, that he survived. There are common human values, especially when they relate to parents and children. Metal - burn it all with fire. They will make a new one, and life is given once. At least this is how the military is taught in Israel.
Therefore, probably the Israeli military, up to the special forces, feel more confident. There, even if captured, tell us everything you know in order to save your life.
This is what you gain by the fact that the dosed military information is very often worthless to the enemy. And you can try to save human life.

[Filxnumx]

Commander of the vks
Th for a new position in our aviation, even the red computer stressed? Until now, the reduction was the Commander-in-Chief or the Civil Code.

[shuravi]

Quote: NIKNN

The instructions are written clearly, in case of engine failure on takeoff, one action is CATAPULED !!! If he had been killed, even having flown on a stone in a field, now everyone would have shaved who came to hand. I scrubbed (I was an instructor) I would have written off ...

In our bursa and with the failure of two engines corresponded to plant. Although Mi-2, such a bird that did not hold on one horizon. Two of our second year students made an emergency landing. So the regiment commander slammed both of them in front of the ranks, because when landing outside the aerodrome on the run the tail rotor tips were damaged. True, the head of the school then canceled.

[helmi8]

Quote: shuravi

In our bursa and with the failure of two engines corresponded to plant. Although Mi-2, such a bird that did not hold on one horizon.

And you do not confuse the plane with a helicopter. As they say - the plane dives, and the helicopter autorotates. According to the Instructions to the Mi-8 crew, the helicopter leaves in two cases - a failure of both hydraulic systems and a fire if it cannot be put out. Everything. In other cases, landing is performed.

[Givi_49]

Winners are not judged! Saved the plane (guy with wings, it will be good) - submit for the award; violated the instructions - clearly explain (included in the training).

[XXXIII]

Aerobatics....

Quote: Givi_49

guy with wings will be good

[Olegi1]

Nikolay, explain to amateurs like me:

There is such a fear of bailouts and it’s very difficult to cross it, believe me)

Why be afraid? He pulled the pen and drove off, sort of, everything is simple. What overload does the pilot experience when bailout? What other loads? How is the training process carried out?

[Alec]

In our school there was a teacher of the school of life training ..... catapulted from the 31st moment ...... then all my life I walked twisted and drank kefir ..... said that it helps from all illnesses, but seriously the spine is alone ... .. although I think that the cadet in that situation simply did not have time to get scared ..... trusted ..... pulled up .... sat down .... well, God help me said

[Zubr]

NIKNN,
Yes, I was cut off on admission to the flight commission, wording: "the absence of superficial pain reflexes" ..... It was a shame to snot ....

[NN52]

NIKNN,

Yes, this is not the point ... I do not see these messages on the site either ...

[free]

Well done did not drop the plane! A good pilot will be.

[shuravi]

Quote: NIKNN

And you do not confuse the plane with a helicopter. As they say - the plane dives, and the helicopter autorotates. According to the Instructions to the Mi-8 crew, the helicopter leaves in two cases - a failure of both hydraulic systems and a fire if it cannot be put out. Everything. In other cases, landing is performed.

Well you have enough. The L-39 has aerodynamic quality as far as I remember 11,4, while the same Mi-8 and Mi-2 have only 4.
Yes, the helicopter’s mileage is less, but without engines, the Mi-8 autorotates whistles 14 m / s. Mi-2 is only 7 m / s, but there is another misfortune, a small base and a track of the chassis, with a high center of gravity. Tips over at run times.
Our course (1984 release year) was the only one with whom the Mi-2 did not take a bloody sacrifice.

[pastooh37]

They are not born heroes - they become heroes. Reward as a soldier and flog as a boy.

[Laksamana besar]

................................

[steelmaker]

Well done guy! Let it break, as the pros write here, I'm just a buzz .........! No words, I just kissed him, hero!

[demo]

In general, the miracle is that such events have not yet occurred in Krasnodar, but with more serious consequences.s
In the picture, the runway of the Krasnodar School. Serova.
The length of the yellow line is 1.25 km.
And then garages, and then a private residential sector.
So who gave permission to build on the take-off and landing line?
Is his signature somewhere somewhere?
And where, in which case, to sit down?

[Alec]

I myself, with fear, sat on l 39 to zero to zero. Anything happens .... and so in my memory there are two cases when people on l 39 were killed trying to save the plane .... so once or twice not .... . it is a pity those who follow his path and do not reach .... will not get .... will not think of it ...... then they will have everyone in Krasnodar ......