God forbid Russia moves. A member of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the state of the army of Ukraine

Ukrainian edition "Observer" It came out with material in which expert commentary is given on the recent statement of Petro Poroshenko about the Ukrainian army as an army that is among the ten strongest in Europe. Recall that earlier the Ukrainian president called the Ukrainian Armed Forces "one of the strongest on the continent."

The material contains the opinion of the former representative of the Dnepr-1 battalion, Vladimir Shilov, who commanded one of the companies.

From the statement of the Ukrainian soldier, who, as they say, from the inside is familiar with the "strength" of the Ukrainian army:

Personally, I do not believe it. According to their stories, our army is revived. Yes, this is not 2014 year, but at the same time, nothing like that has changed in the army. A Soviet madhouse remained in the army, because the old officers were returning. Soviet army. Same. I do not believe in that. Stories about the strength of the Ukrainian army - fiction.

Here, the Ukrainian officer clearly makes a serious mistake - on the subject of comparison of the Ukrainian army with the Soviet army. If the Ukrainian army really was at least something today similar in equipment and training to the Soviet one, then Poroshenko’s words would definitely have their ground. The only thing that VSU "makes related" with the Soviet army is the majority of units of equipment of the Soviet years of production.

From the material:

Everything returns to the old course. If people had the opportunity to terminate the contract, then 50% would instantly terminate and go to a citizen. Everything is really bad. God forbid Russia is twitching - everything will be very bad.

Recall that the Ukrainian army continues to modernize "under the NATO option."

Comments

[Azazelo]

The main thing is that you do not twitch your mind enough ....

[Romario_Argo]

I agree, the APU will have a maximum of 4 hours to have time to hide behind the Lamanche

[LSA57]

Quote: Romario_Argo

I agree, the APU will have a maximum of 4 hours to have time to hide behind the Lamanche

yes who will let them go there ... consumables

[Hire]

God forbid Russia will twitch - everything will be very shitty.

This servant with brains is the same as that of Ukraine with the army. That is empty. Do we get into this cesspool with horseradish? Let them put it in order (as it was before 1991), then it would be possible to think.

[Abel]

In principle, eastern Ukraine can also be restored in the crayfish of the Russian Federation. And "occupied" = annexed territories can be left, nehay rot yourself

[vorobey]

Quote: Romario_Argo

I agree, the APU will have a maximum of 4 hours to have time to hide behind the Lamanche

[NEXUS]

Quote: Romario_Argo

I agree, the APU will have a maximum of 4 hours to have time to hide behind the Lamanche

They don’t have time to run, because when you run, you still have to keep the ever-falling socks. Yes, and drunks run briskly, but not for long, because in a straight line it's one kilometer, and in a zigzag, it's completely different.

[Vanek]

Quote: NEXUS

run briskly but not for long

Cheetah - running fast, no bazaar. But not for long.

[gurzuf]

It is not worth it to run away from the Russian army, the breathless will die.

[Abel]

Well, we’ve found someone to compare with. Cheetah noble creature

[Cellulitis]

Unfortunately, not at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where mostly young boys with an unformed adult outlook on life, but to those who send these Slavic children for slaughter ....

[Thrall]

the former representative of the Dnepr-1 battalion Vladimir Shilov, who commanded one of the companies

Damn, they found the "expert", the personality is still that. Marauder, thief, racketeer, and now - an experienced swindler.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Thrall

Marauder, thief, racketeer, and now - an experienced swindler.

Normal biography for an expert on the Ukrainian army.
Not a good cava from Ponomario here to post. Or sayings of a balsam man.

[Pax tecum]

Thrall: Damn, they found the "expert", the personality is still that ...

And what did he say wrong? He's right: "God forbid Russia will twitch - everything will be very shitty. "

[taiga2018]

Quote: Thrall

Damn, they found the "expert", the personality is still that. Marauder, thief, racketeer, and now - an experienced swindler.

do they really have others ...

[Abel]

There is. There are students of the Ryazan School, and others, no less worthy. True pupils are unworthy, but trained

[bazzbazz]

And they are all trying to make candy out of G.) It will never work out with such power!

[Lelek]

Quote: Thrall

Thrall

But what, is it a revelation that every "expert" in Ruin is either a changed Maidanman or a banderlog. Here one more drew (Tymoshenko’s laurels haunt).

[LSA57]

Quote: Azazelo

The main thing is that you do not twitch your mind enough ....

"twitch", or "do not twitch" does not depend on them. "gas" and "brake" in other hands

[Lelek]

Quote: LSA57

"twitch", or "do not twitch" does not depend on them. "gas" and "brake" in other hands

, Sergei.
“Gestapovets” Najev has already taken a stand, waiting for the team “face!”.

[Abel]

First, neither in Russia, nor, especially in Ukraine, a “fair trial” sounds like a mockery. Secondly, it is not superfluous to recall the fate of Bonaparte. One was sitting on the island of St. Helena, and this on which island to lock? Apart from Khortytsya, nothing comes to my mind

[210ox]

And maybe it’s worth it ... Nafig so tormented by "Faith in invincibility" ..

Quote: Azazelo

The main thing is that you do not twitch your mind enough ....

[1 Navigator]

If Russia jerks, we immediately impose in harem pants.

[Vanek]

Quote: Navigator 1

If Russia jerks

Or maybe you won’t have to twitch ...

So, the brow is frowning.

From Siberia to you

[papas-57]

A toast for those who SERVED - For the Soviet Army, which the whole world was afraid of. even allies.

[Vanek]

Quote: papas-57

which the whole world was afraid of. even allies.

Respected *

... yes, the Allies respected.

[rotmistr60]

God forbid Russia will twitch - everything will be very shitty.

The servants understand the real balance of power, but Ukrainian politicians and their heralds have been waging a "bloody war" with the Russian army for 4 years and defeating them by doing irreparable damage. This is who it is just necessary to put in the trenches in order to bring down the whole nationalist arrogance.

[Dormidont]

It’s not enough to put them in the trenches. It’s necessary to bury there

[Abel]

Presented the picture: Poroshenko, Groysman, Parasyuk and others in the semi-breeches of the Soviet era, kirzach with worn heels and a three-line at the ready "run" to the attack. Already stomach sick with laughter

[CAT BAIYUN]

God forbid Russia will twitch - everything will be very shitty.

To paraphrase: it’s already shitty nowhere to go, and if Russia also moves, it’s generally kirdyk.

[LSA57]

Quote: KOT BYUN

To paraphrase: it’s already shitty nowhere to go, and if Russia also moves, it’s generally kirdyk.

Yes, they themselves rather sway yes outweigh

[CAT BAIYUN]

The trouble is that he will sniff or hang himself, rather, a person who possesses (or in their case was burdened with) at least some rudiments of conscience, moral principles ... And the rest of the rabble will survive ... and will not sniff and will not lift up. That's what upsets.

[Lelek]

Quote: KOT BYUN

To paraphrase: it’s already shitty nowhere to go, and if Russia also moves, it’s generally kirdyk.

IMHO, the situation is deadlock. In order to stay on the throne and live up to the elections, Waltzman needs a war with LDNR. But this event is fraught with defeat, crushing of an independent and, if not kuli into the bridge of the nose, then the airfield - Spain. Well, for the team members - the court and the bunk. So that's what I want, and itches. But there, beyond the hill, there is no guarantee to keep everything acquired by overwork, due to the uselessness of the person involved.

[CAT BAIYUN]

the situation is a dead end. Waltzman needs a war with LDN to stay on the throne and survive until the election

I absolutely agree with you. it’s difficult to talk about the consequences for the country ... it’s big fantasy, there are a lot of options ... But with regards to Waltzman, as for me, Petyun did not deserve a light blast ... Oh, he didn’t.
As for me, in the beginning it must be ruined, then humiliated to a state of a homeless person, and only then, if he does not die himself, can one think about death in the throes of grievance

[cedar]

It is necessary to dare and not rest on our laurels.
Give the green light for service in the Armed Forces of the Pederasts.
You look from 10th to 9th place, and if you also make a gynecologist to the Minister of Defense, as in Germany, and whatever it is to be a lesbian, then the fifth-cursed place is surely secured, or else they will be taken to NATO.

[Retvizan 8]

I think the buggers in the Ukrainian army and so in bulk!
Ask the residents of Donbass they will tell you.

[New Year day]

Quote: cedar

Give the green light for service in the Armed Forces of the Pederasts.

for sure. Destroy it inside

[Alexey-74]

Come back someday .... get ready and wait for polite people. Do not be surprised if one day you see our MTR in Kiev on the square .... well, and all the ensuing consequences

[Dormidont]

It is better to reserve places on lamp posts right now

[Dormidont]

If Russia moves, there will be an unprecedented in its power emission of hydrogen sulfide

[LSA57]

Quote: Dormidont

If Russia moves, there will be an unprecedented in its power emission of hydrogen sulfide

and how many feces ....

[Abel]

So we must somehow revive the chernozem

[impostor]

The instinct of self-preservation is good, only a pan or a boiler does not care - the stew wants to cook or does not want

[Masya masya]

Russia never twitches !!! she does not start, she wins !!!

[Imobile]

At Serdyukov, we had a strong leap, and then everything died out. If the Ukrainians raise their level of training and management, this is not scary for us - we are not there. For the republics, yes, but let them think and improve their army themselves, what should we think and itch for them?

[surovts.valery]

Quote: Alexey-74

Come back someday .... get ready and wait for polite people. Do not be surprised if one day you see our MTR in Kiev on the square .... well, and all the ensuing consequences

There is already another experience - Syria. When everything started in Donbass in April-May 2014, it seemed to me (and not only here on the website) that the process would go according to the Crimean scenario - neutralization and disarmament of the soldiers who were hidden by blocking military units, equipment columns and civilian activists and armed militias (including, among others, "polite"). However, what happened turned out. But after 4 years of confrontation (where ukrovsko proved to be on a par with various "green" ones, etc. like Syria), the option with "green buses" from Donbass to (Idlib) Dnepropetrovsk is quite possible.

[Kot_Kuzya]

The Soviet madhouse remained in the army, because the old officers returned. Soviet army. Same.

Well, yes, just these ukroofitsery and ruined the Soviet army. Thank God, now in the Russian army there are an order of magnitude smaller than these stupid rams with 404, who can only obey the command and steal.

[Lesorub]

God forbid Russia moves. A member of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the state of the army of Ukraine

The main thing is to have the mind to go into the peaceful channel!

[samarin1969]

If the Kremlin had plans for Ukraine, they would have already materialized. "RF" maximum is ready for special operations. The odious Ukrainian "Oborzevatel" simply "dries gunpowder" in the Armed Forces.

[Baloo]

I do not need Ukraine. It is necessary to decide with Donbass, and it is time to isolate yourself from the Bandera by an impregnable fence. They will still bring us some infection. They again have a measles outbreak.

[samarin1969]

[quote = Balu] I do not need Ukraine. It’s necessary to decide with Donbass, but it’s time to isolate yourself from the Bandera by an impregnable fence. "...
It would be nice if the fence was higher, but don’t want to leave Donbass, rather the other way round .... Ukrainians have a mania - “non-stale”. It seems that they have already had a year, but they cannot live without a "struggle for independence". Give the Donbass-will "fight" for the Crimea, the Kuban and the Caspian Voivodeship.

[Antares]

Quote: Balu

I do not need Ukraine

how quickly it was possible to introduce-uselessness. You look later Tver will not be needed, Kaliningrad, etc.

[Baloo]

Quote: Antares

how quickly managed to introduce-unnecessary

Rude and cynical? Donbass made his choice, and the rest? And then, so that we don’t say here, Ukraine is Russia, Ukrainians are a nation separate from Russians with their own language, culture and customs. After all, they are suffering this criminal power of trapping the traitors and executioners of the Ukrainian and not only the people. They lay down under the USA and are waiting for something, they are killing their own in the Donbass.
Launched American bacteriological laboratories. I would venture to suggest that a biogenetic weapon is being developed there against the Slavs, something like a flu virus, and the first Ukrainians will feel it. They already had an outbreak of bird flu several years ago.
We need to take care of our own and the Donbass, which they promised to protect, if that. While apparently there is no possibility.

[vasya.pupkin]

Quote: Antares

Quote: Balu

I do not need Ukraine

how quickly it was possible to introduce-uselessness. You look later Tver will not be needed, Kaliningrad, etc.

I put my 5 kopecks into Sumerian and myzdobul. Sit quietly in your Odessa on May 2 will be the anniversary of your abomination, we’ll come and ask. There are witnesses.

[RUSSIA - FORCE]

The ragul army is the most “strong and invincible,” and the dill life is the best, as they say in Ukrainian TV ...

[colorado]

for boilers maybe strong

[Украинец]

Pancake! People. Are there still those who really consider our army to be somehow combat ready?
There are of course several combat-ready units. But in general, a bunch of clumsy and underestimated.
Shame on you
But I do not attribute this problem to the current government. The tendency to deterioration has been observed since the 90s ... and maybe earlier.

[tagil]

Compared to the 2014 year, your army gained some kind of combat experience (although it’s negative but it’s also an experience), the equipment, though old, is being restored, a new unit at the 90 level, there is some mobilization reserve, again your friends from democratic countries help in training on the protection of democracy (although all of their combat experience except from the second world and how to surrender and the war in the banana republics). In general, you can say that you have an army and the strongest on the continent, but I would not fight with it. And her moral character is not the best.

[bk316]

There is a question: do you need it?
If the Germans practically abandoned the army, and they have the possibilities and traditions of great ....
In general, I believe that there are 2 types of armies, German and Russian, the rest is all garbage.

[Baloo]

Quote: Ukrainian

Pancake! People. Are there still those who really think our army is somehow combat ready

Andrew, the trouble is not in the state of the armed forces of Ukraine, but in the fact that they fell under the Americans, and put a gang of descendants of the traitors and executioners of the Ukrainian people on their heads. What do American bio labs do? Develop a biogenetic weapon against the Slavs? Quite possible. Most likely it will be a viral disease such as influenza, which affects the walls of blood vessels and the mucous membranes of joints, lungs, intestines, and Ukraine will be the first to feel it. Ukrainians are used as supplies in a future war against Russia. Few doubt that the prologue will be some kind of man-made disaster like Chernobyl. Blame Donbass or Russia is not important anymore, it will be an occasion to send NATO troops at the request of a beggar, if he himself had not been bothered by the tsar. What does Biden need in the Donbass? Yuzovskoye oil shale field. What do the rest of the Americans want? Monsante arable land of Ukraine for the cultivation of GMOs. In the Monsanty shareholders, are American billionaires, does the name of Bill Geitz say anything? This is one of the apologists for the theory of the "golden billion", for this monsant and develops GMOs, which leads to infertility, to oncology and deformities even in the fifth generation. Are you aware that half of the arable land has been leased by Monsanta for 49 years? And then pollination and local varieties will acquire the same properties. I'm not talking about deposits of uranium and rare earths.
Do you understand that Russia needs Ukraine as a partner for mutually beneficial relations, and the west is a territory where there are too many people? Is it because the Minister of Health has a semi-literate American, besides a Baptist? and not a scientist qualified medical professor? In our small Volga republic, where the population is comparable to Kiev, all ministers of health had a higher medical education, a scientific degree and a second higher economic or legal. As for the "combat-ready" units trained by American and other foreign instructors, are they on whose side? They are not even on the side of the beggar, they are on the side of the Americans and, when they try to Maidan, they will destroy the Ukrainians. You will see.

[Antares]

Quote: Balu

What do American bio labs do?

with what, what Soviet / tsar’s were doing before the collapse and underfunding of Ukraine
For example, our "terrible American laboratory for the destruction of fasty Russian people"
An institution whose main task is to study the so-called "Infectious diseases of international importance" (tularemia, plague, cholera, hemorrhagic fevers, etc.). Institute employees work with causative agents of such ailments and travel to areas of natural foci of infection.
By the way for reference
On June 24, 1886, the second bacteriological laboratory in the world was opened in Odessa after the Paris station. In the first 3 years of its operation, the Odessa station vaccinated approximately 1,5 people who were in dire need of it. Mortality was about 2,5%, but after the improvement of the method, it decreased to 0,61%.
The Americans helped by allocating $ 2008 million in the framework of the program to combat bioterrorism to radically modernize the UNIPCHI laboratory base. They were equipped with the latest technology and brought to the 3,2rd level of biological safety according to the international classification (BSL-3). The maximum BSL-3 level corresponds to few laboratories on the planet. For example, such are the American Center for Disease Control (CDC) and its Russian counterpart, the State Scientific Center for Virology and Bacteriology “Vector” in the science city of Koltsovo near Novosibirsk.
Materials on this "American laboratory" can be read
http://dumskaya.net/article/biologicheskij-schit-
rodiny-v-laboratoriyah-xxi- /
The post contains many scarecrows. "Alert" and even on the materials of the yellow press.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Antares

Quote: Balu
What do American bio labs do?
with what, what Soviet / tsar’s were doing before the collapse and underfunding of Ukraine

Quote: Antares

24 June 1886 in Odessa opened the second bacteriological laboratory in the world after the Paris station.

Quote: Antares

The Americans helped, highlighting in the 2008 year

Quote: Antares

Materials on this "American laboratory" can be read

That's why I "love" the Sumerian diggers of the Black Sea, because of the ability, instead of a brief answer to a specific question, to smear "semolina on a white table", remembering both the devil and the Lord God in vain, but never get the word out ....
The cult of Vadim Tryukhan really thrives in lush color ....

[Baloo]

Quote: Antares

The Americans helped by allocating $ 2008 million in the framework of the program to combat bioterrorism to radically modernize the UNIPCHI laboratory base. They were equipped with the latest technology and brought to the 3,2rd level of biological safety according to the international classification (BSL-3)

Fear Danians bringing gifts.

Quote: Antares

The post contains many scarecrows. "Alert" and according to the materials of the yellow press

My acquaintance, King Solomon, told me a parable about an elephant and blind sages. Wait and see who is right.

[vasya.pupkin]

Yes, Antares, of course it is, as if so that, but nevertheless, however, as long as it happens, something is right for you and please ...

[Abel]

Vaccines are a concomitant production. The main one is biological weapons. Read about Fort Detrick. They are also involved in vaccines.

[ventel]

And you go to the army and then maybe your question will disappear.

[vasya.pupkin]

Unfortunately, Andrei, here in DNR every day we feel the “inability” of VSU, the 200s and 300s all the time. But more goes to civilians.

[jncnfdybr]

I do not believe. Poroshenko said that the strongest army on the continent. True forgot to add on which.))

[faterdom]

God forbid Ross will start issuing apartments in the Crimea - the heroes of the ATO are out of turn!

[Sailor]

Here I read about Hurray! feedback on each article where the combat readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is discussed, and that the soldiers are useless and stupid and drunkards, etc., etc., do you think that the Russians are so exceptional and invincible, the army is better equipped and possibly trained, and for the rest they and we are the same, we are the same people, and they will fight as well, as they say until the last, but the number of losses will be different, but they will not be small either. And they won’t run to any Lamansh, as here on the forum they write that they have nowhere to run this is their land. Yes, they got their heads stupefied, they put on pots, but they are us, and God forbid that we kill each other, it would be better for only Anglo-Saxon creatures and Jews.

[A_L_F]

Quote: Sailor

Here I read about Hurray! feedback on each article where the combat readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is discussed, and that the soldiers are useless and stupid and drunkards, etc., etc., do you think that the Russians are so exceptional and invincible, the army is better equipped and possibly trained, and for the rest they and we are the same, we are the same people, and they will fight as well, as they say until the last, but the number of losses will be different, but they will not be small either. And they won’t run to any Lamansh, as here on the forum they write that they have nowhere to run this is their land. Yes, they got their heads stupefied, they put on pots, but they are us, and God forbid that we kill each other, it would be better for only Anglo-Saxon creatures and Jews.

Do not confuse that people who were under the USSR in Ukraine now only WWII veterans are left

[macgyver]

The LDNR army means stronger than this strongest, once it wins.

[Olegi1]

regarding the recent statement of Petro Poroshenko about the Ukrainian army as one of the ten strongest in Europe. Recall that earlier the Ukrainian president called the APU "one of the strongest on the continent."

Incidentally, he is hardly disingenuous: the army is not the last in terms of strength, since 2014. they have done something, and given the fact that there are not so many countries in Europe, they can enter the top ten. Albanians and Monaco -will be sure :)

[Zomanus]

Well, by the way, about the Soviet command it is not in vain said so.
Given that there is a bias in the Ukrainian mentality,
plus a well-fed and relaxed life in the reserves of the Union,
That over the years, they really degraded all nafig.
And on the other hand, 28 years have passed since the collapse of the Union.
Well, who out of the Soviet command staff could stay there?

[Siberia 9444]

Heard already Drive better about the capture of Moscow

[sgr291158]

Looks like the booze is over and the guy looked at everything with sober eyes.

[Cellulitis]

Rather, you are twitching like a worm on a hook from an experienced fisherman, and Russia is squeamish about this bait - she would have to catch the fisherman himself)))

[Serbian77]

I did not understand the meaning of the article. But how tired these horses cannot ride. Duck at least decided to twitch.