The view is not the same! Zyuganov asked not to close the Mausoleum during the parade of 9 in May

Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov asked President Vladimir Putin to facilitate the removal of decorative fences from Lenin’s Mausoleum on Red Square, as they will block the view of the Mausoleum during the Victory Parade. According to the leader of the Communists, such a decision will be symbolic and will contribute to the unity of the people.

On behalf of our party, millions of its supporters, veterans of the Great Patriotic War, all patriots of Russia I urge you to commemorate your entry into a high post - to remove the shameful from the Mausoleum historical in the memory of citizens, decorative fences covering the view of this magnificent structure and the burial places of the best people of the Soviet country behind it

- says the telegram. The text of the letter leads the press service of the Communist Party.

Zyuganov noted that “great people of the Soviet country” are buried in Red Square, where the 9 of May will be held on Victory Parade, and the Lenin's Mausoleum is the center of the memorial. Since Russia is the successor to the USSR, Zyuganov believes, Lenin is “the founding father of the current state.”

In the current situation, in terms of the policy of hostility and hatred from the United States and their Western coalition, we must learn the wisdom and courage of our ancestors, who have repeatedly defeated, saving Russia and its people, who turned out to be in the last line

- Writes the chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party.

Zyuganov called on Putin to “take the same path for Russia in the new hour of trials.”

Such a move on your part will not become ideological, but will carry a strong cultural and historical charge. I am sure that not only will he not divide society, on the contrary, it will help rally our people in the face of the current challenges.

- he stressed.

Comments

[BZTM]

Again shamefully closed the Mausoleum in front of the Parade? Have already gotten our history to be ashamed

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: BZTM

They closed it again?

Yes, it seems like they’re doing it right .. Still, in fact, the grave in the square ..? I don’t know how everything should be .. But Zyuganov, let him retire, I’m tired of him already ..

[New Year day]

Quote: MIKHAN

Yet actually the grave in the square ..

why then do music festivals take place on Red Square, do they arrange skating rinks?

[Shurik70]

The "progressive elite" does not want to accept the parade over the inscription "LENIN." How after that, Americans lick ass? Unfortunately, they have enough power to close this inscription, at least at the moment when they themselves are above it. Putin is not omnipotent.

[New Year day]

Quote: Shurik70

The "progressive elite" does not want to accept the parade over the inscription "LENIN"

though I’m not Leninist, but this elite to Lenin, like walking to the moon. Therefore, they bashfully curtain the fact that the country that Lenin created was profiled. And all Leninist principles-in the furnace. The time will come when they will also be ashamed, as Yeltsin is now ashamed.
As Stalin said:

[Tatyana]

The Soviet people mocked Khrushchev with displeasure when, at his insistence, the body of Stalin was taken out and buried near the Kremlin wall from the Mausoleum.
Then the people said that "Khrushchev had vacated a place near Lenin."

[New Year day]

Quote: Tatiana

The Soviet people mocked Khrushchev with displeasure

so now we don’t mind mocking either

[Vladimir K.]

Stalin did not say these words, although he could. At the dead end, Goblin had a detailed intelligence questioning, where the positive (negative ones were examined in many other intelligence questions) myths about Stalin and their origin. This one is connected with the name of the then ambassador to Sweden, Kolontai.

[a housewife]

that's it. in the cemetery - holidays, tourists, parades. Maybe it's better to relocate the cemetery?

[Barbus]

Well, in this time it is necessary to remove from the temples all those who rest there.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Barbus

... Well, in this time it is necessary to take out from the temples all those who rest there ...

Since when was the mausoleum equated to the temple?

[Barbus]

Counter question: since when was the mausoleum equated to a cemetery?

[Andrey K]

Quote: Barbus

... Counter-question: since when have the mausoleum been equated to a cemetery? ...

You do not ascribe to me what I did not say. If you communicate with me, then conduct a conversation in the context of what has been said by both of us.
We are talking about a sarcophagus shed made of granite. In this room are not buried, mummified human remains.
Personally, I believe that this is blasphemy over human nature.
Mummification of the dead, not at all in the traditions of our people.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Andrey K

Since when was the mausoleum equated to the temple?

This is last year's GDP in defense of preserving the Mausoleum in response to the unreasonable harassment of extremist believers. That for believers in communism the Mausoleum with the body of Lenin is something like a temple with the relics of the Saints for believers in God.

In a sense, he is right! So it is better for those who believe in God against the Mausoleum not to have a civil war in the country again.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Tatiana

Mummification of the dead, not at all in the traditions of our people.

Certainly not!

And the burial of members of the royal family in Russian churches?
And the embalmed corpse of the Russian surgeon Pirogov, who was stored for more than 100 years by the Kazan Cathedral of St. Petersburg? Now, probably still there.
And the relics of saints in caskets in churches with reverent kisses of believers?

[LSA57]

Quote: Tatiana

And the relics of saints in caskets in churches with reverent kisses of believers?

nobody turned them into mummies. there is a difference. and in the places where they are stored no one holds parades

[Andrey K]

Quote: Tatiana

... No matter how!
And the burial of members of the royal family in Russian churches?
And the embalmed corpse of the Russian surgeon Pirogov, who was stored for more than 100 years by the Kazan Cathedral of St. Petersburg? Now, probably still there.
And the relics of saints in caskets in churches with reverent kisses of believers? ...

Members of the royal family buriedinstead of embalming, do not flip.
Do not confuse the crypt and stone shed.
In the casket of power are, if that. These are the particles numbered after death as saints.

[Tatyana]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Tatiana

And the relics of saints in caskets in churches with reverent kisses of believers?

nobody turned them into mummies. there is a difference.

If there was an opportunity, they would. And so they themselves were mummified!

and in the places where they are stored no one holds parades

But they hold a procession with a demonstration to others of their faith!
Not everyone likes it either. But they put up with you.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Tatiana

... There would be an opportunity - they would have turned it. And so they themselves were mummified! ...

If grandmother had the appropriate sexual characteristics, then she would be a grandfather

Quote: Tatiana

... But they hold a procession with a demonstration to others of their faith!
Not everyone likes it either. But they put up with you ...

Over the centuries-old history of Russia, the people suffered communist heartburn for 70 years. Sunk into oblivion and thank god

[Andrey K]

Quote: Tatiana

... the Soviet government gave me an excellent education ...
... Mother received an apartment from the company for free for good and honest work. Try now from scratch to earn your own apartment! Life is not enough ...

Education was not given to you by authority, but by parents. Let's get started with that. In imperial Russia, anyone who wanted to get an education would strive for his - do not exaggerate.
I am happy for you and your mother. I earned an apartment for myself, I just need to work, not whine.

Quote: Tatiana

... with the money of Britain, not the Kaiser ...

There was a lot of all kinds of money, the Jew didn’t care at all for whose funds he would pour blood on Russia.

Quote: Tatiana

... And you do not provoke! ...
... With people like you, the GDP is already trying to speak your language, but you still don’t understand anything worthwhile ...

I didn’t even think about provoking you, you wanted to be rude, and here you are self-provoked. Do not look for the guilty.
GDP speaks the same language with me, misunderstanding and discomfort do not arise.

Quote: Tatiana

... First of all, Russia, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, is a secular state, and religion is a private affair of citizens! ...

So you decide - you have imagined feudal lords, then a secular state.
Our state is secular, but it is populated by a nation professing Orthodoxy by 41% (or 58,8 million people). Your 6%, which you wrote about above, are pure fantasy.

Quote: Tatiana

... I'm not in a parish school! Your deuce means nothing to me. I myself can put you a stake ...

Our people were the most literate in Europe, thanks to parish schools - this is for your information.
About your "stake", I very much doubt it.

[Freeman]

Tatyana Today, 16: 25
And the embalmed corpse of the Russian surgeon Pirogov, who was stored for more than 100 years by the Kazan Cathedral of St. Petersburg? Now, probably still there.

Sorry, but the embalmed body of Pirogov, always rested in his estate near Vinnitsa.
Nikolai Ivanovich Pirogov bought the estate near Vinnitsa at the end of his life. Then there was the village of Vishnya, later renamed Pirogovo.
In an effort to implement the idea of ​​preserving her husband’s body, Alexandra Antonovna (wife * approx.), While still living in Vienna, ordered a special coffin, received consent from the Holy Synod, so as not to attach the body to the earth, as the Christian custom says, and writes a letter to David Vyvodtsev asking to embalm the body of his teacher. He agreed, and after the death of Nikolai Ivanovich, he arrived at the estate, where on the 4th day, in the presence of a priest and paramedic, the body was embalmed.

Tomb of Pirogov

[weksha50]

Quote: Tatiana

And the embalmed corpse of the Russian surgeon Pirogov, who was stored for more than 100 years by the Kazan Cathedral of St. Petersburg? Now, probably still there.

Ahem ... I apologize ... In 1977 I was in Vinnitsa, visited the Pirogov Museum-Estate (after that I didn’t eat anything meat 5-6 years), as well as a church with his mummy (I don’t remember the name of the temple) ... Temple rather modest, the room in which the sarcophagus stands, a basement ... No protection and darkness, as in the mausoleum ...

But earlier, a little bit in 1976, he was in Leningrad, in Kazan Cathedral ... There I did not see Pirogov's mummy ...

But, in general, the essence of the article is not this ... In the same Kazan Cathedral, in fact, the graves of great people, albeit in granite ...

And as for the Mausoleum and the cemetery ... So there are more urns buried in the wall than grave walls ... If you remove it, the wall will collapse ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Andrey K

I didn’t even think about provoking you, you wanted to be rude, and here you are self-provoked. Do not look for the guilty.

No, really! Look at yourself! And what is it with you?

Quote: Andrey K

Communist BURN people suffered for 70 years.

This is your class hatred and real rudeness! You do not see logs in your eye! Could not do without "BURNS"?

Quote: Andrey K

Our state is secular, but it is populated by a nation professing Orthodoxy by 41% (or 58,8 million people). Your 6%, which you wrote about above, are pure fantasy.

A believer is not one who simply relates himself to Orthodoxy, but one who is a true parishioner. And such, even in rural areas, no more than 10%. So you are too optimistic in your favor.
By the way, I made a typo, but did not correct it because I did not know where my comment with the correction would fly. And you did not notice! Namely

Quote: Tatiana

A serfdom, which was canceled in 1881, and the Russian Orthodox Church was against its abolition.

SHOULD BE - "in 1961".

Quote: Andrey K

Education was not given to you by authority, but by parents.

It was the Soviet government that gave me education, and for free!

Quote: Andrey K

Our people were the most literate in Europe, thanks to parish schools - this is for your information.

Well, you compared! Parish school with a Soviet education! Do I need a video of A. Nevzorov with his "Alphabet of Atheism" to be displayed here?

Quote: Andrey K

I earned an apartment for myself, just need to work, not whine.

No need to troll! Of course, I am glad for you. However, are you one hard worker and all the other idlers? I also regard this as, in some way, on your part, an unreasonable, derogatory insult to our people - i.e. nothing but smug bragging and rudeness?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Freeman

Sorry, but the embalmed body of Pirogov, always rested in his estate near Vinnitsa.

Apparently not always. Namely, apparently during the Second World War and for a long time after it, Pirogov’s body was stored in the Kazan Cathedral (in the basement for storage of storerooms)! Because we are schoolchildren on especially rare his excursions were seen in a coffin under glass in excellent condition and I remember him in a civilian, not a uniform. Here's how in this photo. Even more beautiful - without spots on the face, as if sleeping, as if alive, or as if he had just recently died.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Tatiana

... So it is better for those who believe in God against the Mausoleum to not arise, so that again there would be no civil war in the country ...

It is better not to arise at all and not to impose your ideas on anyone, then there will be no talk about the possibility of a civil war.
The followers of the sect K. Marx and F. Engels (later V. Lenin), at the elections of various levels (parliamentary, presidential) gained from 10 to 15% of the vote. So these maximum 15% dictate their Wishlist to the remaining 85%. We want a corpse in the center of the capital and that’s it. If you want - please: bury, place a monument and worship where it is supposed to be done.
It's simple.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Andrey K

For the long history of Russia, People suffered communist heartburn for 70 years. Sunk into oblivion and thank God

Blessed is he who believes in this! You had heartburn. And the Soviet government gave me an excellent education, which I would never have received under the tsar. Military doctors with field surgery experience saved me from death for free as a child. Mother received an apartment from the company free of charge for good and honest work. Try now from scratch to earn your own apartment! Life is not enough.
Second.

Quote: Andrey K

First: in 1917, the terrorist Lenin, Kaiser’s money did everything to arrange a blood bath in our country. Drive your history teachers into the neck.

For the money of Britain, not the Kaiser.

Quote: Andrey K

Secondly: leave your "then arise" for your kitchen, I make you a comment.

And you do not provoke! You also do not need to troll people who are against the demolition of the Mausoleum! With people like you, the GDP is already trying to speak your language, but you still don’t understand anything worthwhile.

Quote: Andrey K

Thirdly: Russia is an Orthodox country.

First of all, Russia, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, is a secular state, and religion is a private affair of citizens!

But about the feudal rights you were mistaken in the country, we had no feudal lords

Yes you? A serfdom, which was canceled in 1881, and the Russian Orthodox Church was against its abolition.

Quote: Andrey K

Sit down - two.

I'm not in a parish school! Your deuce means nothing to me. I myself can you, as an atheist, put a stake in a secular school.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Andrey K

with Kaiser's money

And you can show the paychecks))) A highly moral and patriotic white army fought on imported babos. This is where the bills are available.

So these maximum 15% dictate their Wishlist to the remaining 85%. We want a corpse in the center of the capital and that’s it.

Neusta, the remaining 85% are all monarchists like you?

Quote: Andrey K

So these maximum 15% dictate their Wishlist to the remaining 85%. We want a corpse in the center of the capital

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Andrey K

so these maximum 15%, dictate their Wishlist to the remaining 85%

Somehow, they carried out the project "Name of Russia" on RTR. Can you explain why the counter was canceled after Stalin and Lenin were ahead of the monarchists? So do not talk about 15-85%. These numbers operate no worse than Copperfield.

[Barbus]

You just asked your question in the context of my appeal to another person. It was in the same context that I answered you. Nonetheless...
From your point of view, this is a sarcophagus and so on. Well, everyone has their own opinion. From my point of view, the mausoleum with burials near the Kremlin wall is a memorial complex.
And by the way, what is in the traditions of our people? And what kind of people do you call "ours"?

[Andrey K]

Quote: Barbus

... You just asked your question in the context of my appeal to another person. It was in the same context that I answered you. Nonetheless...

I asked you a question. Finish on this.

Quote: Barbus

... From your point of view - this is a sarcophagus and so on. Well, everyone has their own opinion. From my point of view, the mausoleum with burials near the Kremlin wall is a memorial complex ...

I respect any point of view not imposed by outsiders.

Quote: Barbus

... And by the way, what is in the traditions of our people? ...

Our people are generally something, you cannot list all traditions. Generally amazing people.

Quote: Barbus

... And what kind of people do you call "ours"? ...

Are we talking about Honduras?

[Barbus]

Why do we need Honduras? We are about our many-sided and multinational Motherland. It was to multinationality that I asked a question. Many peoples - many traditions. You won’t list everything, as you said.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Barbus

... We are about our many-sided and multinational Motherland. It was to multinationality that I asked a question ...

Well, it’s wonderful that you and I have a huge country in which, whatever one may say, all the same, peoples of different nationalities live together.
Be healthy.

[Barbus]

Same to you!

[Bad_santa]

And the relics of the saints? Lenin, at least, is not kissed by anyone, and his bows are not repulsed. He is there whole and not unharmed, and the churchmen have scattered our people to pieces and ride with these parts around the world. Shame in one word

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Andrey K

Since when was the mausoleum equated to the temple?

As a cultural heritage site, Red Square is protected by UNESCO. From 70 there some year. And since Lenin was already lying there by this moment, it means that he is also under the protection of UNESCO. That's it.

[Andrey K]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

... As an object of cultural heritage, Red Square is protected by UNESCO. From 70 there some year. And since Lenin was already lying there by this moment, it means that he is also under the protection of UNESCO. That's it. ...

Vladimir
The entire ensemble of the Kremlin and Red Square, including the Lenin Mausoleum and the Necropolis near the Kremlin wall, is a UNESCO World Heritage Site. The body of Lenin, lying in the Mausoleum, as well as the bodies of others buried, are not a world heritage

[a housewife]

And what - do ice rinks and concerts take place in temples ?! Quite already talking !!!

[New Year day]

Quote: housewife

Maybe it's better to relocate the cemetery?

There is a frontal place on Red Square. There, from the Streltsy rebellion, the Bosko was chopped off. Maybe take it down? And on the walls of the Novodevichy Convent Peter I hanged archers, too, to demolish?
It is necessary to read the history of the native land and country. And what about the tourists, so the crowds go to Novodevichye Kaldishche- under his bulldozer?

[Barbus]

Correction: on the frontal place, the decrees were read out, and they were hung up and heads were chopped down in the entire red square. With such considerations, we will soon return to the parade on the Mount of Worship.

[New Year day]

Quote: Barbus

hung and heads chopped throughout the red square.

including on the frontal

[Barbus]

I wouldn’t just write: I’m not an expert myself, but I heard from the guide. And in the file you quoted it says: "The picture shows the Red Square NEAR Frontal Place." Although the fact that Red Square is the place of mass executions does not cancel it. And therefore, according to the logic of some citizens, it is impossible to arrange celebrations on it.

[New Year day]

and on the frontal place, in large magnification, you can see “prepared ones.” This is according to Vasnetsov. Yes, and what's the difference - Bosko chopped everywhere

[a housewife]

So read the story - at least about Red Square and the frontal place. At Novodevichy - tourists are not tourists WALK, and not dancing.

[INTER]

Quote: housewife

that's it. in the cemetery - holidays, tourists, parades. Maybe it's better to relocate the cemetery?

And it’s best to bury a person, it’s wrong to leave a person uncarried.

[a housewife]

Well, okay, this can still be taken as a burial place, although they wish enemies - no bottom or tire. But really, I would rebury, and in the Mausoleum, since this has long been one of the symbols of Red Square, it would be possible to make a museum. And to put completely a fake. By the way, the same thing applies to Egyptian mummies in museums. What difference does it make when and where did people die? It is one thing to study them, another to display. And religion has nothing to do with it. Do not treat people as exhibits. Find a bunch of arguments against if you can, but I think you will agree with me at heart.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: housewife

in the cemetery - holidays, tourists, parades. Maybe it's better to relocate the cemetery?

Hmm, a tough question. We also have graves on the Field of Mars, the Eternal Fire is burning. So in Soviet times, the newlyweds had a tradition of laying flowers there. The Soviet time is gone, the tradition remains, only in t-a-a-bah form ... In short, until recently it was possible to see among the graves toasts with champagne and blue dances celebrating.

[a housewife]

Why equate disturbance of rest, all sorts of desecration with the actions of the state.

[Greg Miller]

If our great ancestors, who twice raised the country from ruins, who won the Great Patriotic War, in which the issue of the physical existence of the Russian ethnic group was decided, decided that THESE GREAT PEOPLE should be buried in Red Square, it means it should be! And not offshore maggots, cowardly devouring the remnants of the Great Country, constantly screaming about patriotism, to decide where should be buried, Lenin, Stalin, Gagarin and other Great and Honorable citizens of our country.

[a housewife]

I strongly doubt that the ancestors gathered and decided so. Man invented everything a little. They decided for everyone. Well, make the Great Pantheon instead of some kind of park, surround with all sorts of symbols and beauties, no one interferes. Why here?

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: housewife

Maybe it's better to relocate the cemetery?

Or maybe it’s better to transfer the dances?

[a housewife]

For centuries, Red Square has already been a trading place (GUM is not in vain just here), crowded, with holidays and festivities. And if we talk about traditions, then it is much older than the Mausoleum. It turns out that they buried in the market. And not vice versa.

[Sergey-svs]

The Lenin Mausoleum is no longer just a grave, but a monument ... part of our common and not the worst history of Russia. And if we are ashamed of him, then it’s just a kapets ... and we’ll slide down to the Maydauns-tseEuropeans ...

[Andrey K]

Quote: Sergey-svs

... Lenin's Mausoleum is no longer just a grave, but a monument ... part of our common and not the worst history of Russia. And if we are ashamed of him, then it’s just a kapets ... and we’ll slide down to the Maydauns-tseEuropeans ... ...

Ek has incurred you - you famously tied up the presence of a crypt grave in the center of the capital and a slide into "maydaunism", who does not accept it.
I respect your position, but you do not slip into the fanatical chanting of Lenin and his remains. For some, he is a creator, for me, like many, a destroyer. Yes, this is the greatest figure, I agree. He is the greatest usurper, the greatest organizer of state terror. For me, he is a criminal who, for the sake of the utopian idea of ​​communism throughout the world, threw millions of lives of the citizens of his country into the furnace of civil war.
Nevertheless, I do not slide into maydaunism and do not cease to love my homeland.
Careful in terms, we are all different and all worthy of respect.

[ochakow703]

I agree, the graves, but what kind of people rest in these graves! How much they have done so that we can reason on this topic. Yes, and it’s dirty to be ashamed of your story. Maybe our generation can also understand youth, why should they take roots?

[Gardamir]

Yet actually a grave in the square.

How many cities and countries where are the mausoleums in the squares? And in Soviet times, the Mausoleum was a symbol of Victory. By the way, many are tired of Putin hehe.

[LSA57]

Quote: Gardamir

By the way, many are tired of Putin hehe.

This election showed you? or Ksenia with cash-out told? and where did these "many" vote? on the couch? about the tale of "falsification" is better not necessary. Now everyone is tired of listening to this for a long time.

[Flatter]

The graves of clergymen at temples, for example, a place of preaching. An idea embodied by the Bolsheviks changed the world, like faith, so let it lie where the new faith spread from all over the world.

[a housewife]

That's it, a new faith. Vera. The correct word. Not requiring evidence. Lenin is always right, he is God, it is impossible to desecrate his memory, but here is the place of worship. And the place of worship cannot be moved, and to cover it with something is sacrilege. So this is a new faith, faith against Christ. But you cannot serve two masters. Therefore, Zyuganov at once disgusted by the Communists, brought up by the CPSU and Christians. And now - the Mausoleum - a symbol of a new division of people. Why is Russia divided? Enough already?!

[Vend]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: BZTM

They closed it again?

Yes, it seems like they’re doing it right .. Still, in fact, the grave in the square ..? I don’t know how everything should be .. But Zyuganov, let him retire, I’m tired of him already ..

Zyuganov speculates on the Soviet past and earns advantages for popularity.

[LSA57]

Quote: Wend

Zyuganov speculates on the Soviet past and earns advantages for popularity.

and crap one's pants to go

[kenig1]

Then the Kremlin wall must be boarded up, and the parade is not a disco.

[Andrey K]

Quote: kenig1

... Then the Kremlin wall must be boarded up, and the parade is not a disco ...

The Kremlin wall was built in 1485, it is a historical monument.
Mummified remains of V.I. Ulyanov, have nothing to do with the Kremlin wall.
The parade is not for dancing - it is in memory of our fathers and grandfathers.

[rammjager]

Something at 45 the grave did not prevent to hold the Victory Parade. And in general, the Mausoleum is an integral part of Red Square. You can close the Kremlin with the same success, Stalin lived there. Interesting, remember at least the Supreme this year.

[tomket]

Quote: MIKHAN

Yes, it seems like they’re doing the right thing .. But in fact, the grave in the square ..

If you are not in the know, then Red Square is one big burial place. In imperial times there were up to 15 graveyards.

[Patriot5000]

there about 300 people are buried in the Square. I also think that enough to hide. well there, let it be. let's close the Kremlin itself as the legacy of tsarist Russia.

[Opera]

Lenin is the founder of today's Russia ?! However! You need to leave politics as well as sports on time!

[Nasrat]

It could be worth taking it off ... but only where was Zyuganov all these years (they close every year) ??? Again got out of the PR ... after the election ... By the way, elections were held - and where is the candidate from the commies for the presidency now?
I remembered a little name - Grudinin ...

[BZTM]

Yes, what does this have to do with this, God forgive me (I mentioned Your Name in vain) Zyuganov, a traitor to the working people at 96? I’m talking about our HISTORY together, why shame it in such a way bashful? I have a lot in it (in our history) I don’t like it, we Chapaya, the Cossacks sent the white to the bottom of Yaik, so what?

[Nasrat]

Despite the fact that Zyuzya decided to PR (due to May 9 !!!) after the election - otherwise the readership forgot who is the main commie ..

[Vend]

Quote: BZTM

Again shamefully closed the Mausoleum in front of the Parade? Have already gotten our history to be ashamed

I think then when they cease to be ashamed of the past of tsarist Russia.

[rocket757]

Either transfer the dust to dust or leave it as it is!
Transfer, the issue is very controversial, our story, our MEMORY! I don’t feel piety, but as a historical monument the way will be as it is! And all liber goat-l-l and other thick-bellies need to be specifically indicated - That's when there will be a memory worthy of perpetuation about you, then you will speak! while with them the people only spit and express themselves through folklore.

[vladfill]

Yesterday, on a TV channel "Star", from morning till night, they drove out a many-hour blizzard called
"World War I", constructing and removing with reconstructions, as if "documentary"
cinema of shame - do not have. While surrounded by the Guarantor there will be Fedotovs, Alekseevs and others like them,
everything that happens on Krasnaya can be safely considered sanctioned by Putin.

[Denis Obukhov]

- Since Russia is the successor to the USSR, Zyuganov believes, Lenin is “the founding father of the current state”
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This is how, thus, he became the founding father of today's Russia? Maybe Ulyanov also founded Russia with the Russian state along with the Bolsheviks ?? It amazes me that the Communists interpret Russian history as if before Lenin and his comrades-in-arms there was an empty and faceless wasteland, the USSR suddenly appeared from nowhere and from scratch. There were neither Russian princes, nor Russian tsars, nor those people who mined this land by blood and their great labor. Everything appeared by some miracle and with a wave of a magic Bolshevik wand ...

[albert]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

It surprises me that the Communists interpret Russian history as if before Lenin and his comrades-in-arms there was an empty and faceless wasteland

That's right. No wonder they say that the history of the Russian people began in October 1917. It was then that the people themselves began to write the history of the country, and "princes, kings and emperors." For clarity, you can take any history textbook and compare.

[Denis Obukhov]

In your opinion, it turns out that it was not Peter 1 who laid down St. Petersburg and built a fleet, but Lenin and the Communists?
You yourself understood what nonsense you wrote

[albert]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

In your opinion, it turns out that it was not Peter 1 who laid down St. Petersburg and built a fleet, but Lenin and the Communists?

The people built Petersburg, not Peter the Great

[Vanek]

It is not necessary to cover it.

With him, you need to welcome the parade!

[DREDD]

This is correct, although on the other hand, would it not seem like a desecration of the Mausoleum that the representatives of the capitalist counter-revolution would ascend to it?

[Vanek]

Quote: DREDD

desecration of the Mausoleum

The desecration of the Mausoleum and the desecration of its inhabitant are two big differences.

Although the latter is all the same.

[Flatter]

If they are baptized while undergoing ceremonial calculations, they will not be defiled. The Minister of Defense, Shoigu, after all, is baptized, opening the parade.

[a housewife]

Standing at the grave to greet the parade? Very great respect for the dead!

[Vanek]

Quote: housewife

Standing on the grave

The grave is what is inside. With your logic, the whole pyramid of Cheops is one continuous grave.

Sorry Madame.

[a housewife]

Okay. Then what’s on top of the grave is a tombstone. Do not want to trample on the tombstones of your relatives? I think you will consider it an insult. And here - not that?

[Vanek]

WITH PYRAMID HOW TO BE ???

[Vanek]

In our case, a glass flask.

The question with the pyramid is not solved.

[dSK]

Quote: Vanek

The question with the pyramid is not solved.

Try to walk around the pyramid of Cheops, sit in the zindan and for a long time, before that the Muslims are still “lathering” their neck.

[tomket]

Quote: housewife

Standing at the grave to greet the parade? Very great respect for the dead!

Not on the grave, but on the podium of the Mausoleum. And you probably know better how to respect the dead man?

[Vanek]

Quote: tomket

Not on the grave, but on the podium of the Mausoleum

Here. Yes, so definitely more accurate.

[kot28.ru]

Is the mausoleum under repair? No? If everything is fine, then to whom is Russia, which positions itself as a strong and independent state, ashamed of its history?

[New Year day]

Quote: kot28.ru

before whom is Russia, which positions itself a strong and independent state, ashamed of its history?

not Russia, but power. From the denial of the history of the country to ....
Then we wonder why the near abroad leaves.
He who does not remember the past has no future

[DMoroz]

The mattress workers of their history are not ashamed, although President Washington was their slave owner and destroyed the Indians, they did not arrange the fence at his memorial, but on the contrary, they also made their small-town (meager) “parotism” ...

[LSA57]

Quote: DMoroz

The mattress workers of their history are not ashamed, although President Washington was their slave owner and destroyed the Indians, the fence at his memorial is not satisfied, but on the contrary, they do "business" ...

and "democracy" with bombs all over the world

[svp67]

According to communist leader, such a decision will be symbolic and will contribute to the unity of the people.

The leader of the "communists" ???????? Lenin would be the first to “smear it” and expel him from his party, not to mention Stalin.
And it is unlikely that now a view of the mausoleum can serve to unite the people, the "Communists" have missed their chance and it looks like a very long time.

[Tatyana]

Quote: svp67

"Communists" LOST their chance and it looks like a very long time.

Agree with you. The Communists have become a party of missed opportunities. However, the American monetarist "doctrine of shock" with its heyday of capitalism has no future catastrophes either. So there will be either a cross, as in China, or nothing will remain of the planet.
In the meantime, the Communists at least defend the powerful oligarchy with the inertia of the social security for the people.

[igorra]

This will be one of the markers of a change in the liberal course, as well as a replacement for the government. In my opinion the games are over.

[New Year day]

nothing will happen, the course will remain unchanged

[Varyag77]

But the mausoleum and the one who lies in it are not pleasant to me. Disgusting sight.
My feelings are not interesting to Uncle Sue? Or am I immediately, an agent of the State Department, Russophobe, and “for all the bad” versus “all the good”?
I think if you hold a referendum on this issue (well, purely theoretically), then Uncle Zu and Co. will be very surprised at the results. Unpleasantly surprised.

[rrrd]

And I think that history does not need to be turned over! People born under communism are still alive!

[Varyag77]

Quote: rrrd

And I think that history does not need to be turned over! People born under communism are still alive!

What year were they born? Even I do not remember what would be built in the USSR communism.

[a housewife]

Did we have communism?

[Hagalaz]

I agree. With history you need to delicately. But here I was born under communism. And just like many, I regret that it could turn out in our country much better than we have at the moment. But to speak with a delightful gasp about whose shell lies in this zigurat I personally do not intend to.

[LSA57]

Quote: Hagalaz

But here I was born under communism.

what country were you born in? there was one such as I recall. party nomenclature was called. they built it for themselves

[New Year day]

Quote: LSA57

party nomenclature was called. they built it for themselves

What has changed? Power has already built a country for itself. Want to compare social guarantees then and now? The number of managers in modern Russia is many times greater than the number of managers of the USSR. Note- USSR!

[LSA57]

Quote: Silvestr

What has changed? Power has already built a country for itself.

no need to get out of context. it's about another. communism has never happened and now they promise to build it by the year N

[New Year day]

Quote: LSA57

no need to get out of context. it's about another. communism has never been

without a doubt. Only now, for some reason, you think that in the USSR they lived as under communism.

[LSA57]

Quote: Silvestr

that in the USSR they lived as under communism.

Do you have an example of how they live under communism? was there ever in history at least one country that lived in this myth?

[New Year day]

Quote: LSA57

how do they live under communism?

Communism is an unknown and unknown subject. They say that everything is good there.
If the USSR was a country of developed socialism, i.e. halfway to communism, then under social guarantees that socialism was better than current capitalism. And then what about communism?

[LSA57]

Quote: Silvestr

If the USSR was a country of developed socialism, i.e. halfway to communism

you never said what "communism" is

They say that everything is good there.

who is talking? who was there?

And then what about communism?

they speak well in paradise. there?

[New Year day]

Quote: LSA57

you never said what "communism" is

You can according to Marx, for me, did not have time to live

Quote: LSA57

who is talking? who was there?

how does anyone say? Now - no one, but before - the Communist Party

Quote: LSA57

they speak well in paradise. there?

so maybe this is paradise?

[Hagalaz]

Well, laaadno, they got hooked) ... To rephrase, I was born in the USSR.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Hagalaz

Well, laaadno, they got hooked) ... To rephrase, I was born in the USSR.

Well, I am in the USSR. And I remember very well how my parents brought me such a pioneer of excellence and the beauty and pride of the school to Moscow and taken to the Mausoleum. And what I saw there, to put it mildly, did not please me. And I did not experience enthusiastic feelings. Only squeamishness. Well, why all this? What is paganism at its worst? I already am silent that Lenin himself is a figure so ambiguous that Kapets. And by the way for party fans, so to speak. On the monument to the 1000th anniversary of Russia Ivan the Terrible is not. decided that not an unambiguous hurt figure then. It is not clear. Either bad or good. This is true. by the way.
And in fact, of all the leaders of the USSR, of any honors in the form of monuments and other things, only one person is worthy. And this is by no means Lenin. I think he was very lucky that he died "like himself" (well, we won’t really write about syphilis), otherwise Stalin would have let him go. And he would be absolutely right.
Unlike this Jewish Kodla, Stalin decided that Russia was more important to him than the “fire of the world revolution”, in which the Russians would simply act as cannon fodder.
So for perpetuating the memory of the great man comrade Stalin, I am with both hands. And it’s high time to take Ulyanov’s half-life off Red Square. It’s no good to clog it here with all sorts of things.

[Hagalaz]

I fully support. I can only say in defense of the "Gentiles." Our ancestors did not mummify, and the departed were cremated.

Quote: Varyag77

Quote: Hagalaz

Well, laaadno, they got hooked) ... To rephrase, I was born in the USSR.

Well, I am in the USSR. And I remember very well how my parents brought me such a pioneer of excellence and the beauty and pride of the school to Moscow and taken to the Mausoleum. And what I saw there, to put it mildly, did not please me. And I did not experience enthusiastic feelings. Only squeamishness. Well, why all this? What is paganism at its worst? I already am silent that Lenin himself is a figure so ambiguous that Kapets. And by the way for party fans, so to speak. On the monument to the 1000th anniversary of Russia Ivan the Terrible is not. decided that not an unambiguous hurt figure then. It is not clear. Either bad or good. This is true. by the way.
And in fact, of all the leaders of the USSR, of any honors in the form of monuments and other things, only one person is worthy. And this is by no means Lenin. I think he was very lucky that he died "like himself" (well, we won’t really write about syphilis), otherwise Stalin would have let him go. And he would be absolutely right.
Unlike this Jewish Kodla, Stalin decided that Russia was more important to him than the “fire of the world revolution”, in which the Russians would simply act as cannon fodder.
So for perpetuating the memory of the great man comrade Stalin, I am with both hands. And it’s high time to take Ulyanov’s half-life off Red Square. It’s no good to clog it here with all sorts of things.

[Patriot5000]

why about syphilis? Well, Peter 1, too, from a chronic say dead, so what? they didn’t know how to treat then, as now HIV. and no one is safe, not even a nun.

[LSA57]

Quote: rrrd

People born under communism are still alive!

In what year were these "lucky" born?

[APIS]

Quote: Varyag77

But the mausoleum and the one who lies in it are not pleasant to me. Disgusting sight.
My feelings are not interesting to Uncle Sue? Or am I immediately, an agent of the State Department, Russophobe, and “for all the bad” versus “all the good”?
I think if you hold a referendum on this issue (well, purely theoretically), then Uncle Zu and Co. will be very surprised at the results. Unpleasantly surprised.

Not sure.
But there is no doubt about the Yeltsin center and the Solzhenitsyn board. And this shit is molded like cakes in a sandbox.

[Varyag77]

Quote: APIS

Quote: Varyag77

But the mausoleum and the one who lies in it are not pleasant to me. Disgusting sight.
My feelings are not interesting to Uncle Sue? Or am I immediately, an agent of the State Department, Russophobe, and “for all the bad” versus “all the good”?
I think if you hold a referendum on this issue (well, purely theoretically), then Uncle Zu and Co. will be very surprised at the results. Unpleasantly surprised.

Not sure.
But there is no doubt about the Yeltsin center and the Solzhenitsyn board. And this shit is molded like cakes in a sandbox.

For me, this is a single field of berries. What a mausoleum, what is the Yeltsin center. To the demolition of both.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Varyag77

For me, this is a single field of berries. What a mausoleum, what is the Yeltsin center. To the demolition of both.

And who is sweet to your heart?

[Varyag77]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Varyag77

For me, this is a single field of berries. What a mausoleum, what is the Yeltsin center. To the demolition of both.

And who is sweet to your heart?

Hello, Tatyana. If we take the leaders of the Soviet era, then this is certainly Stalin. This is a great man. And in my opinion, we owe it to him that Russia exists. But in any case, I will not accept cults. I am not against monuments, but I am against such mausoleums.
Well, actually, I stand on the position that Lenin, as a figure, is an enemy of Russia and its peoples. We received too much nasty things from him and his associates. Lenin did not care about Russia. And the people worship him for this. Ugh.

[Gardamir]

Unpleasantly surprised.

you're right, the main thing for the TV is to pick up the right pictures.
And your kings, what an unpleasant sight, but they lie in sarcophagi on the other side of the Kremlin.

[RedKors1953]

Varangian 77. And here you and Uncle Zyu?. This is our story. Those people who built the mausoleum were fools in your opinion? In each era there is good and bad, someone who sees good in the bad, and someone in the reverse. We are not built, we are not supposed to, we cannot manage. ,

[Varyag77]

Quote: RedKors1953

Varangian 77. And here you and Uncle Zyu?. This is our story. Those people who built the mausoleum were fools in your opinion? In each era there is good and bad, someone who sees good in the bad, and someone in the reverse. We are not built, we are not supposed to, we cannot manage. ,

Why did the Bolsheviks plant thousands of churches? Which were not only "spiritual" places, but for the most part architectural monuments of Russian architecture? Even they did not ask such questions

[Gardamir]

Even they did not ask such questions

And you wondered how many schools the current government closed?

[Varyag77]

Quote: Gardamir

Even they did not ask such questions

And you wondered how many schools the current government closed?

And you wondered why the water is wet?

[Gardamir]

Why is the water wet?

That is, you are anti-Russian and anti-communist and you do not care about Russia. The main thing is to protect the current power of the bourgeoisie.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Gardamir

Why is the water wet?

That is, you are anti-Russian and anti-communist and you do not care about Russia. The main thing is to protect the current power of the bourgeoisie.

Here answer frankly you are a sectarian? Not? Because conversations to talk, that with you, that with people like you, is extremely difficult. From what kind of pies did you decide that you, (commi) are the ultimate truth. and? Why did you suddenly decide that you are alone about the country? YOU COUNTED THE COUNTRY. Clear? no? The result of your power is 70 years old and the country is ruined. Countries that gathered in pieces for centuries. So what right do you have the right to open your mouths and determine who is here for Russia and who is for cookies. If it were my will, I would have banned you altogether like ISIS. As an organization (flow) with anti-state and terrorist bias.
So exhale .. Yours no longer dance the glory of God.

[Gardamir]

YOU COUNTED THE COUNTRY

Is Medvedev a communist? he gave it to Norway, part of the sea in area more than the Crimea. Gifts to China. Judging fathers and grandfathers is easy. What is the government doing now? If you judge the past, judge the present.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Gardamir

YOU COUNTED THE COUNTRY

Is Medvedev a communist? he gave it to Norway, part of the sea in area more than the Crimea. Gifts to China. Judging fathers and grandfathers is easy. What is the government doing now? If you judge the past, judge the present.

Who said that I do not judge? I judge. But here we are talking about the Lenin Mausoleum and it turns out the Communists. I'm not a fan of talking off topic. There will be a relevant topic. We will talk about it.
And I do not need to ascribe the activities of the current government. I am not a liberal. Therefore, I am not with them.
You just can’t understand one simple thing. In addition to the communists and liberals, there are still outlooks on life. Different from them. Therefore, the fact that you are not one of the named two does not mean that you are automatically the second.
I am not difficult to clarify? And then I begin to worry.

[Gardamir]

there are still outlooks on life

in short, I’m talking about the same thing.

[Tatyana]

No, I'm wondering.

Quote: Varyag77

And I do not need to ascribe the activities of the current government. I am not a liberal. Therefore I am not with them.

And you are not a communist. Who are you then? And what state on Earth would you suggest building so that the people follow you?

[Varyag77]

Quote: Tatiana

No, I'm wondering.

Quote: Varyag77

And I do not need to ascribe the activities of the current government. I am not a liberal. Therefore I am not with them.

And you are not a communist. Who are you then? And what state on Earth would you suggest building so that the people follow you?

This is a difficult question. I am a statesman. By and large, I do not care what kind of socio-political system in the country. If people live with dignity. If the country is strong and respected. If my people live as they see fit, and not as directed by. This is normal for me.
And based on the fact that democracy has completely discredited itself. Socialism lasted only 70 years. What remains? Only the monarchy. Of course not in the form in which it was. I already answered below that, in my opinion, the best social and political system is a symbiosis of a monarchy and a socially oriented state. That is, take the best from RI and the USSR. In what form it should be thought.
But there is simply no other. It is probably possible to repeat the USSR, but again it will certainly be a fairly short lifespan of this entity. Why? This is a separate issue. Not within this topic.

[RedKors1953]

Varangian 77. Do not become like the Bolsheviks! You now think that you are doing everything right, and after about eleven years they might say: They were there for woodpeckers, which they couldn’t say in a fairy tale, not mindful.

[Varyag77]

Quote: RedKors1953

Varangian 77. Do not become like the Bolsheviks! You now think that you are doing everything right, and after about eleven years they might say: They were there for woodpeckers, which they couldn’t say in a fairy tale, not mindful.

Anyone should be buried. Well, or cremated. in accordance with his religious preferences or, if he is an atheist, in accordance with the general norms adopted in this society.
About the fact that maybe it was right. You are aware that the Bolsheviks declared all women "common property." That is, everyone could use every woman on which the eye lay. How far this was implemented is, of course, a question. But that is a decree.
So this will also be referred to as correct. Ali how?

[RedKors1953]

Varyag. I tell you about Ivan, you tell me about Thomas. You don’t like the Bolsheviks; I’m a king to Yeltsin, and many still don’t like Gorbi alive. So what do we all fight? Everything has sunk into oblivion. You need to think about the present and future. In short, who will remember the old.

[Varyag77]

Quote: RedKors1953

Varyag. I tell you about Ivan, you tell me about Thomas. You don’t like the Bolsheviks; I’m a king to Yeltsin, and many still don’t like Gorbi alive. So what do we all fight? Everything has sunk into oblivion. You need to think about the present and future. In short, who will remember the old.

But I don’t like everyone who sells the country. and no matter how someone would like to be here, it was the kings and emperors who were least noticed in this. So that...
The Communists managed to break up 2 empires. Both Russian and Soviet. Well it is necessary to manage. And they want again in power. Liberals are ready to sell the whole country offal. And after all this, one and the other say to me that being a monarchist is bad? Three times ha.

[RedKors1953]

Varyag. I understand. Putin to the kingdom!

[Varyag77]

Quote: RedKors1953

Varyag. I understand. Putin to the kingdom!

This is just a slogan. and no more. The concept of the monarchical structure of society is still somewhat broader than the identity of one name.
Although at this particular moment in time it would be much better if he were king. With all the appropriate authority. Then they would have looked at how Chubais flies on a nanobar with nanopowder

[RedKors1953]

Varangian. We need And In Stalin. Then not only Chubais, many on nano galleys and nanometers with nano iPhones would fly 501 to finish building.

[Varyag77]

Quote: RedKors1953

Varangian. We need And In Stalin. Then not only Chubais, many on nano galleys and nanometers with nano iPhones would fly 501 to finish building.

I am not against Stalin. Let it come

[dSK]

Quote: Varyag77

The Communists managed to break up 2 empires. Both Russian and Soviet. Well it is necessary to manage. And they want again in power. Liberals are ready to sell the whole country with giblets.

At the mausoleum since 1924 there is a laboratory for the preservation of the body of Lenin. The educational and methodological center of biomedical technologies, which is part of the All-Russian Research Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants, is engaged in maintaining the safety of the appearance of Lenin. Every year and a half, employees lower the body into a bath with a special solution.
From 1995 to the present, the laboratory is headed by Valery Bykov. Since 1964, to maintain stable conditions for preserving the body of Lenin, they began to use automation and electronics, and the staff grew by 1960-1970, there were already about 200 people. For this reason in 1976, the laboratory moved to a new building on Krasin Street, house number 2 .
At the beginning of 2018, the laboratory has about 40 employees. (Wikipedia)
And all this for "treasury "account. Communist Party and the Russian Orthodox Church - public organizations. If you compare the mummy with the relics of saints - transfer the mausoleum to the balance of the Communist Partyas the churches of the Russian Orthodox Church return, let them do what they want and there will be no disputes.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Varyag77

Why did the Bolsheviks plant thousands of churches?

Well, how do you differ from the Bolsheviks in proposing to demolish the Mausoleum with the Yolkin center, which was built according to the law signed by Medvedev: "On the centers of the presidential heritage ..."? They will also deliver the second and third. As if the Gorby Center had not been built.

[Hagalaz]

Open really should. But to greet the parade, you must stand on another platform. Also symbolic by the way.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Hagalaz

Open really should. But to greet the parade, you must stand on another platform. Also symbolic by the way.

The best offer!

[You Vlad]

I think it’s not necessary to rewrite history, that was what happened!
All that was, is our luggage with which we must go forward to the future!
It is necessary from the rostrum of the mausoleum to accept the victory parade for our leaders, as it was before.

[RUSS]

Zu no longer knows how to get into the media space, if only to blurt out if only to light up on the media.

[Radical]

Quote: Varyag77

But the mausoleum and the one who lies in it are not pleasant to me. Disgusting sight.
My feelings are not interesting to Uncle Sue? Or am I immediately, an agent of the State Department, Russophobe, and “for all the bad” versus “all the good”?

Self-critical, and to the point!

[Varyag77]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: Varyag77

But the mausoleum and the one who lies in it are not pleasant to me. Disgusting sight.
My feelings are not interesting to Uncle Sue? Or am I immediately, an agent of the State Department, Russophobe, and “for all the bad” versus “all the good”?

Self-critical, and to the point!

Why am I sure that you don’t even take tests. AND?

[Radical]

Quote: Varyag77

Quote: Radikal

Quote: Varyag77

But the mausoleum and the one who lies in it are not pleasant to me. Disgusting sight.
My feelings are not interesting to Uncle Sue? Or am I immediately, an agent of the State Department, Russophobe, and “for all the bad” versus “all the good”?

Self-critical, and to the point!

Why am I sure that you don’t even take tests. AND?

Because your head is "soft"!

[Loess]

But is this not the communist Zyuganov who instead of himself sent the oligarch to the polls?

[Mixweb]

On behalf of our party, millions of its supporters, veterans of the Great Patriotic War, all patriots of Russia ...

I consider myself a patriot of my country, and I do not like that, on my behalf, they also call for removing the scenery from the mausoleum. Still, Victory Day. There is not the slightest desire to look at the grave.

[KERMET]

Quote: housewife

Standing at the grave to greet the parade? Very great respect for the dead!

It’s possible to take an experience parade on a chair already, under the inscription LENIN (over - they did not deserve it)

[KERMET]

Quote: Nasr

Despite the fact that Zyuzya decided to PR (due to May 9 !!!) after the election - otherwise the readership forgot who is the main commie ..

Zyuzya voiced the thoughts of millions that the power of historical garbage is good for suffering, otherwise it’s some kind of schizophrenia

[RedKors1953]

The mausoleum should be open. Only the current rulers on his podium have nothing to do. WWII veterans on the podium of the Mausoleum. That's who should take the parade.

[Million]

Our rulers are not very different from the Ukrainians. And one and the other refuse Sovietization, extolling: some to Bandera, others to Nikola
I'm 2

[Radical]

Quote: Mixweb

On behalf of our party, millions of its supporters, veterans of the Great Patriotic War, all patriots of Russia ...

I consider myself a patriot of my country, and I do not like that, on my behalf, they also call for removing the scenery from the mausoleum. Still, Victory Day. There is not the slightest desire to look at the grave.

We don’t know about the “patriot of our country” - while we “saw” that you were just a Zenit patriot!

[cerbuk6155]

I completely agree in this matter with Zyuganov. Stop flirting with the USA. It's time to let them smell our fist.

[Barbus]

Quote: APIS

Quote: Varyag77

But the mausoleum and the one who lies in it are not pleasant to me. Disgusting sight.
My feelings are not interesting to Uncle Sue? Or am I immediately, an agent of the State Department, Russophobe, and “for all the bad” versus “all the good”?
I think if you hold a referendum on this issue (well, purely theoretically), then Uncle Zu and Co. will be very surprised at the results. Unpleasantly surprised.

Not sure.
But there is no doubt about the Yeltsin center and the Solzhenitsyn board. And this shit is molded like cakes in a sandbox.

I support. You can also add Nemtsov's board here.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Gardamir

Unpleasantly surprised.

you're right, the main thing for the TV is to pick up the right pictures.
And your kings, what an unpleasant sight, but they lie in sarcophagi on the other side of the Kremlin.

You do not know how to think broadly. You see conspiracies everywhere. Yes, and think of an opponent for bad manners.
I have nothing against the graves of great people of the Soviet era near the Kremlin wall. NOTHING. I am against specifically this ziggurat with a rotting embalmed corpse inside. This spectacle causes nothing but pity

[Gardamir]

ziggurat

but the National Memorial of the American President General Ulysses Grant is also a Mausoleum. By the way, in Europe there are also many mausoleums, just look not in the countries of the former CMEA, but in Europe, such as Germany and Italy. Or can they?

[Varyag77]

Quote: Gardamir

ziggurat

but the National Memorial of the American President General Ulysses Grant is also a Mausoleum. By the way, in Europe there are also many mausoleums, just look not in the countries of the former CMEA, but in Europe, such as Germany and Italy. Or can they?

Why should I care what is in them. They still have pedophilia, homosexuality, legalization of drugs, parents No. 1 and 2 and further on the list. In this we also take an example, or how?

[Gardamir]

Why should I care what is in them.

Here I agree with you, but then give an example of what you want for Russia now, what if we are united here? And then you should not argue about the past, but think about the present and future.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Gardamir

then do not argue about the past, but think about the present and future.

These are the most golden words. This is our task. Make compromises in society and go forward, rather than looking back.
Personally, I am deeply convinced that it is necessary to create a new social system. Its basis should be precisely the monarchy and the very ideas of social justice that were declared by the USSR, in which such symbiosis it should be I do not know. Let the professors and doctors come up with.

[Gardamir]

Let the professors and doctors come up with.

I agree about symbiosis. but not about professors. We can also think and come up.
But in the end. Less argue about the past, for it divides us today. If you and I are for the greatness of the country.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: Varyag77

Quote: Radikal

Quote: Varyag77

But the mausoleum and the one who lies in it are not pleasant to me. Disgusting sight.
My feelings are not interesting to Uncle Sue? Or am I immediately, an agent of the State Department, Russophobe, and “for all the bad” versus “all the good”?

Self-critical, and to the point!

Why am I sure that you don’t even take tests. AND?

Because your head is "soft"!

Well, thank God that you have a solid. Oak or cypress? What does she have you from?

[Heterocapsa]

Well, I can offer an alternative. A parade in the Patriot Park

[Bronevick]

Putin does not like Lenin. He is afraid that in our time, too, Lenin may be found.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Bronevick

Putin does not like Lenin. He is afraid that in our time, too, Lenin may be found.

Aren't you afraid? And you know how it happens. A drunken sailor will come to hang, and you are so clap-clap with your eyes. And me for what?

[Bronevick]

Well, now is not the year 1917. Borders are not closed. As soon as the mess immediately shed. What do you want? Why should I spend time building what other people have already built? And there it will be seen.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Bronevick

Well, now is not the year 1917. Borders are not closed. As soon as the mess immediately shed. What do you want? Why should I spend time building what other people have already built? And there it will be seen.

Aah. there it is. Well, already molt something. And God forbid you do not have time. Right at the airport and cover;)

[Bronevick]

So while it seems calm. Success, do not worry. We are not such important people that would cover us at the airport.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Bronevick

So while it seems calm. Success, do not worry. We are not such important people that would cover us at the airport.

Not not ... we’ll cover everyone .. together with the airport

[Gardamir]

And me for what?

Well, apparently you have something for that.

[Varyag77]

Quote: Gardamir

And me for what?

Well, apparently you have something for that.

The fact that you are at odds with you I already understood. How in the Generals then you were raised here. I can’t imagine. The only thought. Like for fun.
I remember that the marshal became for the adequacy of the comments, which were supported by many. And now, not like before.
And yes. you really either remove the cross or put on your underpants. And then nickname Gardamir, the avatar is the wheel of Svarog, and the comm is burnt. Chet tear at you.
Master of Sports Colonel Chingachgook?

[Gardamir]

nickname Gardamir, avatar wheel of Svarog, and the commi himself burnt.

it does not interfere.
My motto is in profile; order, justice, traditions. As far as possible I try to comply.
But the motto of the current government is capitalism, kleptocracy, worship of the west.

[Old26]

Quote: MIKHAN

Yes, it seems like they’re doing the right thing .. But in fact, the grave in the square ..

On November 7, 1941 and in July 1945, no one remembered the grave? Why are you Vitalik in thought. Then you wave your saber, expressing cheers-patriotic slogans, but now you don’t know how it should be? Decide ...
And Zyuganov can do without advice. when he retired, and when not. And if about pension, then not only to him. Zhirik, too, is not the same, it’s time for him to rest, but the POWER does not let

Quote: Nasr

It could be worth taking it off ... but only where was Zyuganov all these years (they close every year) ??? Again got out of the PR ... after the election ... By the way, elections were held - and where is the candidate from the commies for the presidency now? I remembered a little name - Grudinin ...

Well, he speaks about the Mausoleum almost every year, in this respect he is quite consistent ...

[bald]

I am not a supporter of com. party, but to close the mausoleum, albeit patriotic posters I think is wrong (to put it mildly). Red Square, the whole as a whole, is a museum of our history, and the mausoleum is one of the exhibits - the flags of Nazi Germany were thrown to it. Enough of stupid things.

[Valerevich]

Well, having read the comments, I don’t know the tears pouring al laughter upams on the bench, the subjective opinion of some characters makes you think ...

[Barbus]

LSA57,
Solemn events are held there

[Ural resident]

Personally, I have never felt love for the Communists, but for me the appearance of the parade and the mausoleum as an integral part of the holiday is necessary. No matter how you relate to this — this is our story — there’s nothing to be ashamed of, in Soviet times, the picture of the parade on TV aroused pride in a great country, and for being its Citizen.

[Laksamana besar]

I'm not against.

[Radical]

Quote: Varyag77

Quote: Gardamir

Unpleasantly surprised.

you're right, the main thing for the TV is to pick up the right pictures.
And your kings, what an unpleasant sight, but they lie in sarcophagi on the other side of the Kremlin.

You do not know how to think broadly. You see conspiracies everywhere. Yes, and think of an opponent for bad manners.
I have nothing against the graves of great people of the Soviet era near the Kremlin wall. NOTHING. I am against specifically this ziggurat with a rotting embalmed corpse inside. This spectacle causes nothing but pity

Over the past thirty years, we have had those who thought "broadly" - Gorbachev and E.B.N., only after them the country for some reason "narrowed" !!!

[KERMET]

the mausoleum is one of the main symbols of the country whose victory we celebrate on May 9 and who has heartburn, maybe this is not really your holiday?

[Varyag77]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: Varyag77

Quote: Gardamir

Unpleasantly surprised.

you're right, the main thing for the TV is to pick up the right pictures.
And your kings, what an unpleasant sight, but they lie in sarcophagi on the other side of the Kremlin.

You do not know how to think broadly. You see conspiracies everywhere. Yes, and think of an opponent for bad manners.
I have nothing against the graves of great people of the Soviet era near the Kremlin wall. NOTHING. I am against specifically this ziggurat with a rotting embalmed corpse inside. This spectacle causes nothing but pity

Over the past thirty years, we have had those who thought "broadly" - Gorbachev and E.B.N., only after them the country for some reason "narrowed" !!!

Well, I have long understood that if the flag of the USSR, then it is necessary to explain. So to speak to the masses carry.
I mean, the Communists think so narrowly that they can’t even penetrate the head of Marx-Engels-Lenin into their heads, I’m not saying that to assimilate, the idea that people who do not support communism can simply be patriots of their country with a different worldview . NOT agents of the CIA, Mossad, and reptilians. And the same patriots (well, if communists are patriots of course), only with a different view of the problem. Therefore, I personally call the Communists sectarians. Because all the signs are there. Absolute rejection of the opinions of others. Unshakable faith in their idols. And the desire to crack down on opponents. So then this clinic is complete.

[Gardamir]

Absolute rejection of the opinions of others

Well why so! For example, I believe that the Mausoleum is our story, and you do not accept this opinion.
And by the way, the current government has introduced a new tradition, which I do not accept. This regiment is eventually called upon to replace Victory Day. Victory Day is a celebration of joy and sorrow for the dead, so why this striped regiment?

[Varyag77]

Quote: Gardamir

Well why so! For example, I believe that the Mausoleum is our story, and you do not accept this opinion.

Let the mausoleum as an architectural monument. Although in my opinion, it absolutely disfigures the architectural historical view of Red Square. It's about an idol. Yours. For which you lay down with bones, but do not allow to bury. In general, the whole story with Lenin is disgusting to me. That during his life, that after his death.

[dSK]

Quote: Varyag77

call the communists sectarians. Because all the signs are there. Absolute rejection of the opinions of others. Unshakable faith in their idols. And the desire to crack down on opponents. So then this clinic is complete.

"No man - no problem," the trinity of parents - Marx, Engels, Lenin, though Engels the "sponsor" was, not a theorist, he was "recorded" for the number. Of the "commandments" - the code is "blinded." The apostles were a political bureau; during the demonstration they had to wear their portraits.

[Tatyana]

Quote from dsk

though Engels the book "sponsor" was, not a theorist, it was "written down" for the amount.

Not certainly in that way! Engels "Anti Dühring" wrote - this is a serious scientifically sound philosophical work, written from the standpoint of the most advanced method in philosophy — the dialectic — materialistic.

[sergo1914]

LSA57,

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Tatiana

And the relics of saints in caskets in churches with reverent kisses of believers?

nobody turned them into mummies. there is a difference. and in the places where they are stored no one holds parades

At the foot of those graves, no one threw the standards of the world's strongest army.

[dSK]

The victory of 1945 is the merit of Lenin? His - "Brest Peace".

[sergo1914]

Quote from dsk

The victory of 1945 is the merit of Lenin? His - "Brest Peace".

Of course not. Hodynka.

[dSK]

Quote: sergo1914

Hodynka.

The Minister of the Interior, on the eve of the corruption, firmly assured Nicholas II of the readiness of the event. In fact, a real "setup" was organized - they brought in barrels of vodka and made a "binge".
The bomb which was laid by the "grandfather" Lenin under Russia, turning provinces in the "republics," (Putin mentioned this last year), it has not been possible to neutralize so far. If, after Armenia, Kazakhstan will "tear" both you and me, "it will not seem enough."

[militia2]

Here I read the comments. Conclusion: Zyuganov is not right here. It’s too early to open the Mausoleum. Let Putin in his speech on May 9 say nothing about Stalin. If he wants, let him say something about Yeltsin there, or another patriot. And everyone on this day may quietly remember those who deserve it.

[Varyag77]

Mordvin 3,
Well, let's not dissemble. Lenin was not even there. It was Stalin.

[sergo1914]

You violated the rules of the site, admitted in the comment:
"Insults, rudeness: Score your opinion in a point. Is that why normal people (not homosexuals) do not use the word" disgusting "in their vocabulary?

It’s disgusting to read you "in the article The view is not the same! Zyuganov asked not to close the Mausoleum during the May 9 parade.


Pancake. I offended homosexuals and received a warning. From the site moderators. Do moderators have a husband? I do not insult. I'm just interested. Understand. It’s hard to be a moderator. Psychologically. We have to push it apart ... oops ... Well, you understand. What verb will characterize the work of site moderators? Banshee, I'm sorry if I offended you.

[Varyag77]

Quote: sergo1914

You violated the rules of the site, admitted in the comment:
"Insults, rudeness: Score your opinion in a point. Is that why normal people (not homosexuals) do not use the word" disgusting "in their vocabulary?

It’s disgusting to read you "in the article The view is not the same! Zyuganov asked not to close the Mausoleum during the May 9 parade.


Pancake. I offended homosexuals and received a warning. From the site moderators. Do moderators have a husband? I do not insult. I'm just interested. Understand. It’s hard to be a moderator. Psychologically. We have to push it apart ... oops ... Well, you understand. What verb will characterize the work of site moderators? Banshee, I'm sorry if I offended you.

Do not worry the sufferer. I got it too.
You should be more cultured. And so. You pay too much attention to minorities. Is the hat on the thief?

[sergo1914]

Quote: Varyag77

Quote: sergo1914

You violated the rules of the site, admitted in the comment:
"Insults, rudeness: Score your opinion in a point. Is that why normal people (not homosexuals) do not use the word" disgusting "in their vocabulary?

It’s disgusting to read you "in the article The view is not the same! Zyuganov asked not to close the Mausoleum during the May 9 parade.


Pancake. I offended homosexuals and received a warning. From the site moderators. Do moderators have a husband? I do not insult. I'm just interested. Understand. It’s hard to be a moderator. Psychologically. We have to push it apart ... oops ... Well, you understand. What verb will characterize the work of site moderators? Banshee, I'm sorry if I offended you.

Do not worry the sufferer. I got it too.
You should be more cultured. And so. You pay too much attention to minorities. Is the hat on the thief?

Have you complained? How did it happen? Such a serious nickname ... And underneath is a rainbow-colored creature.

[Varyag77]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Varyag77

Quote: sergo1914

You violated the rules of the site, admitted in the comment:
"Insults, rudeness: Score your opinion in a point. Is that why normal people (not homosexuals) do not use the word" disgusting "in their vocabulary?

It’s disgusting to read you "in the article The view is not the same! Zyuganov asked not to close the Mausoleum during the May 9 parade.


Pancake. I offended homosexuals and received a warning. From the site moderators. Do moderators have a husband? I do not insult. I'm just interested. Understand. It’s hard to be a moderator. Psychologically. We have to push it apart ... oops ... Well, you understand. What verb will characterize the work of site moderators? Banshee, I'm sorry if I offended you.

Do not worry the sufferer. I got it too.
You should be more cultured. And so. You pay too much attention to minorities. Is the hat on the thief?

Have you complained? How did it happen? Such a serious nickname ... And underneath is a rainbow-colored creature.

And who complained about me? I'm telling you. The hat is on the thief.

[Romanenko]

Correctly Zyuganov suggested that there is no need to make a booth from the mausoleum.
History and traditions, this is something that must be protected.
If you do not share the views of the Communists on the surrounding life, this does not mean that you need to shove your head like an ostrich and sand and pretend that the country lived without them.
The mausoleum does not detract from the solemnity of the parade, but on the contrary, emphasizes the country's commitment to its basic principles on the basis of which this country was built and who are so carefully trying to erase from the memory of the people all kinds of agents of influence and just the narrow-minded upstarts, posing as representatives of the people.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Actually, I am also against the bashful cover of the mausoleum, but now Zyuganov needs to be kept quiet in a rag. After he and his gang of especially close associates held candidates for the presidency from communist party an agricultural oligarch, a non-communist, moreover, he no longer has the right to hide behind the communist idea, say anything for the communists. He is not a communist, but an opportunist who receives money from the communist idea.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

Actually, I am also against the bashful cover of the mausoleum, but now Zyuganov needs to be kept quiet in a rag.

I agree with you ... Something is going wrong in the Communist Party!

[Romanenko]

Something inside the Communist Party failed and suddenly the Communists, for no reason, put forward a clearly commercial project with Grudinin. What to do, in Russia all parties from time to time suffer from something, the party of the big bear, too, although not as old as the Communist Party but already rotten through and through.
But the most offensive, make another party in power and all the nits will quickly come out of the bear's skin and will not have time to blink, as they appear to the electorate in a new guise.
The trouble is most likely not in the names of the parties, but in their composition ...
So it would not hurt them all to line up for rags.

[Imobile]

Quote: Silvestr

Communism is an unknown and unknown subject. They say that everything is good there.
If the USSR was a country of developed socialism, i.e. halfway to communism, then under social guarantees that socialism was better than current capitalism. And then what about communism?

My grandmother received a pension of 9 rubles. one way to get to the district center to get it cost 12 rubles that's all communismand this is in great times until 61

[saigon]

You don’t confuse grandma’s retirement?
What year do you describe? Perhaps you are mistaken a little or what?
In the mid-80s of the last century, a plane ticket from Krasnoyarsk to Moscow still cost less than 100 rubles. And there were no pensions of nine rubles as well as tickets for six rubles to the district center.

[Imobile]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Andrey K

Since when was the mausoleum equated to the temple?

This is last year's GDP in defense of preserving the Mausoleum in response to the unreasonable harassment of extremist believers. That for believers in communism the Mausoleum with the body of Lenin is something like a temple with the relics of the Saints for believers in God.

In a sense, he is right! So it is better for those who believe in God against the Mausoleum not to have a civil war in the country again.

Saints were equated with Lenin. There will also appear who will pray for the saints and for Lenin at the same time. Some kind of surrealism

[Imobile]

Quote: saigon

You don’t confuse grandma’s retirement?
What year do you describe? Perhaps you are mistaken a little or what?
In the mid-80s of the last century, a plane ticket from Krasnoyarsk to Moscow still cost less than 100 rubles. And there were no pensions of nine rubles as well as tickets for six rubles to the district center.

I wrote about time. And few were given a pension, she deserved it, was held in high esteem so to speak