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A holy place is never empty. Ukraine will provide NATO with its Ruslans and Mriyu

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After the Russian airline Volga-Dnepr refused to renew the contract for the transportation of NATO cargoes by the An-124 Ruslan aircraft, the Ukrainian company Antonov declared its readiness to provide additional support to the alliance, including providing the Mriya An-225 transport company reports Defense-Aerospace


A holy place is never empty. Ukraine will provide NATO with its Ruslans and Mriyu


Since the Russian company Volga-Dnepr intends to withdraw from the Strategic Airlift Interim Solution (SALIS) program, Antonov is ready to provide a full range of services to the participating countries of this program and guarantees the provision of the required number of Ruslan and An-124 Mriya airplanes for strategic air transportation in the interests of NATO and the EU
- Representatives of the state enterprise "Antonov" noted.

Portal notes that An-225 has a payload of 250 tons. Also, Antonov has seven An-124 Ruslan planes with a payload capacity of up to 150 tons, in contrast to the Ruslan 12, which are available in Russia.

Earlier, Western media wrote that the refusal of the Russian company Volga-Dnepr to extend the agreement on providing NATO aircraft for transporting heavy military equipment is a deliberate blow to Russia on the NATO Achilles heel, since the Antonov aircraft alone would not be enough.

The Russian Volga-Dnepr Group of Companies will cease to provide NATO with oversized air transportation services on An-124-100 Ruslan aircraft from January 1 2019.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox April 26 2018 19: 30
    +37
    Sixes ... What to take from them .. Licked nobly.
    1. impostor
      impostor April 26 2018 19: 32
      +53
      Nazarbayev did it much more notably
      1. poplar in Kiev
        poplar in Kiev April 26 2018 19: 49
        +33
        But Nazarbayev has no choice. All loot in America. It’s time to carefully discard Nazarbayev.
        1. impostor
          impostor April 26 2018 19: 53
          +8
          About swallowing dust, it also concerned - did not listen
        2. Kasym
          Kasym April 26 2018 19: 56
          +1
          Serge, do you want to return to the topic for half a year - will I then look at your desire to throw it off ?! Have you agreed?
          1. impostor
            impostor April 26 2018 20: 02
            +31
            Where the Yankees opened the door chain - they immediately insert the foot. And if Nursultan surrendered a little, he would no longer be able to crawl out from under the mattresses. And he began to turn in - forgot where the Kazakhs came from and what relation they have to the Kyrgyz, leaked the Cyrillic alphabet, now the ports. What do you expect there in six months? Let’s take a look together and get back to the issue after the agreed date
            1. Kasym
              Kasym April 26 2018 20: 27
              +21
              You claim that he gave two ports for NATO bases in the KZ? So show these bases half a year, a year ... This will not happen, fake news - according to the law "good" should be given to the CSTO countries. NATO ships must travel through the internal channels of the Russian Federation in order to get to the Caspian.
              And what do you know about what you wrote? Before entering the Latin alphabet, they adopted a government decree on strengthening the role of ... the Russian language in the KZ (it is prescribed in the Constitution of the country) - compulsory full education in Russian. lang and lit. in all schools, regardless of the language of instruction. USE, exams and all that. The same number of lessons in Russian. and kaz. languages. And how can I forget the Cyrillic? By the way, 100 scientists. study in Ukrainian., Tajik., Uyghur. and Uzbek languages ​​(about 000 schools). By the way, with 100% of the Slavic population in the KZ, 30% of schools are Russian. Do you know anything about this? Do you know anything that it is impossible for Kazakhs from China, KZ and Turkey to write off - is there a different alphabet everywhere, etc.? Look at my comments on this topic - tired of explaining. hi
              1. impostor
                impostor April 26 2018 20: 40
                +17
                So, you say - there will be no bases? Inland waters, say? Nursultan buys a corvette from NATO for a dollar; And rents it to staff members? How do you like this option? About languages ​​you can not even strain, the Baltic States and Ukraine in front of everyone. hi
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 26 2018 20: 44
                  +13
                  Quote: impostor
                  How do you like this option?

                  No way. Smoke the CSTO Charter. And in parallel - the status of a military base.
                  This is not a "lease for you" wink
                  1. impostor
                    impostor April 26 2018 20: 48
                    +7
                    I'm sorry dear hi Tied up with a smoke, which I wish you with all my heart. NATO’s airbase to be seen not according to the Charter passed in due time, right?
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 26 2018 20: 50
                      +7
                      Quote: impostor
                      Tied up with a smoke

                      Then nibble.
                      To say nonsense is bad manners ... sweetest wink
                      1. impostor
                        impostor April 26 2018 20: 53
                        +12
                        But the transition to the individual says a lot wink
                    2. Humpty
                      Humpty April 27 2018 03: 47
                      +3
                      Quote: impostor
                      Excuse me, my dear, Tied up with a smoke, which I also wish you with all my heart. NATO’s airbase to be seen not according to the Charter passed in due time, right?

                      You will call the base a transit center and that’s all, it’s kind of not a base anymore. Under such a sign, the NATO military spent several years in Kyrgyzstan, until they were forced to leave completely.
                2. poplar in Kiev
                  poplar in Kiev April 26 2018 20: 48
                  +7
                  And also it should be recalled about the oppression of the Russians, and about the criminal trials of the Russians. This topic is not advertised, but Russian persecution in Kazakhstan has been going on for a long time
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                3. Kasym
                  Kasym April 26 2018 20: 57
                  +8
                  Impostor In half a year, a year we’ll see.
                  In the Baltic States and Ukraine, Russian schools are being closed - even in a remote kaz. the aul, where Russian was taught according to the shortened program, is now OBLIGED to conduct full training. I am writing to you about what is. Draw your own conclusions. hi
                  1. impostor
                    impostor April 26 2018 21: 08
                    +4
                    I agree. We will see hi
                  2. impostor
                    impostor April 26 2018 21: 11
                    +6
                    You only know that the whole chain with the Baltic states, Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan in a certain period, Kazakhstan has its tips and little links, woven with skillful hands, whose ears stick out from behind a puddle hi
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 26 2018 21: 19
                      +7
                      Another point. By agreement of the Caspian countries, the base of the third state should be approved by all neighbors in the Caspian. In the KZ this topic is not even about bases - people would have made noise on the Internet and the media - but this is not. Iran certainly will not give good. What to speak for Beijing and Moscow.
                      Ears and hands stick out behind the collapse of the Union - to remind who collapsed ?! This is the root of the whole situation. The superpower was turned into a bunch of third countries of the world - to remind who did it ?! hi
                      1. impostor
                        impostor April 26 2018 21: 29
                        +3
                        That is, Manas was approved by the CSTO? Of course, there are Caspian accords. But if international law already means nothing? Who is tightly tied to the CSTO? What prevents to leave?
                      2. igorka357
                        igorka357 April 27 2018 04: 57
                        +1
                        So the same ears that stick out now, and humpback was only a tool .. What is your question then?
                      3. AlexVas44
                        AlexVas44 April 27 2018 07: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Kasym
                        the base of the third state should be approved by all neighbors in the Caspian. In the KZ this topic about the bases is not even

                        And why then did Elbasy start all this ?:
                  3. OrcSWAT
                    OrcSWAT April 27 2018 12: 24
                    +1
                    Dear Kasym. Perhaps in theory everything is just as you tell, but in reality everything is much more complicated. For example, in the south of Kazakhstan, there are a lot of reverse phenomena than you described, the Russian language seems to be enshrined in the constitution, but in fact, if you go to almost any state institution, signs and tablets are all in the Kazakh language, although there should be a description Russian, he is not. There was even a case about which local television was talking about when a certain prosecutor (!) Refused to speak in court in Russian, explaining that Russian is not a state language, why should I actually? So that.
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 27 2018 13: 20
                      +2
                      Of course, I write what is by law. But you yourself know what happens on the ground. The same problems as yours. Cronyism, family, corruption, blat, etc. .. Which leads to similar consequences. Therefore, the media, the public, the ANC are connected and reveal this. According to reports, more than 2000 criminal cases have been opened against officials.
                      I will give you another example. Village Duvanovka in the Omsk region 1 km. from our border, whose residents are asking to join them to ... Kazakhstan, because local authorities do nothing. There are no roads, shops, etc. .. Moreover, the Russian village ... "So what." hi
                      1. OrcSWAT
                        OrcSWAT April 27 2018 15: 07
                        0
                        An example, it seems to me by the cash register, you should not blame me :) The fact that Kazakhstan has already done a lot of good and is doing it, I know that some things are so obvious and in place that it is not clear why they have not done this in the Russian Federation (although we understand that why). I told you about something else, that the situation with Russians in Kazakhstan is getting worse. You understand, the whole region cannot be a situation on the ground, it is a policy that is clearly thought out. Institutions such as tax or large medical institutions, this is an indicator. As an example, cases when in organizing social assistance to the population, Russians are forced to fill out an application in the Kazakh language, there are no forms in Russian, and the local lawyer casually with a rude look, as if doing you a favor, gives you tips. And such a situation with forms everywhere, this is an obvious move by the knight.
                    2. Kasym
                      Kasym April 27 2018 16: 12
                      +1
                      Varyag, dear, go to the ANC website (Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan). Understand a lot, because It was created to create an international. consent in Kazakhstan. We are only at the beginning of the path; it is impossible to create a monolithic society and people in such a time. And it is not in vain that such cases are published with the prosecutor - the ANC is called upon to do this according to the law, and not according to criminal law, etc. This prosecutor is no longer there - that’s the result. May 1 is the day of unity of the peoples of Kazakhstan. And as usual, the ANC Congress is taking place.
                      On the other hand. Well, let it be your way. Then a logical question arises. If the two main diasporas are in the “counter”, then what should the remaining 120-odd diasporas do? But among us there are Germans, Koreans, Greeks, Poles, Jews - in their historical homelands much more safely than in the KZ. Therefore, not everything is so simple. hi
                      I think that int. consent in KZ is better than in Russia. What is your attitude to the Caucasians or the Chukchi (the indigenous population of Russia), or migrant workers? After all, we are aware of cases of mass fights among those Caucasians and local in Russian cities - I agree that now it is fading, but nonetheless. That war in the Caucasus - how did you feel about the Chechens ?! So that.
                      And somehow I came across forms. Here is the thing. Printing houses are given an order for 50 to 50% of the forms. Half in Russian, another in Kazakh. So ... the Russians immediately disappear. Where to go, they are forced to use everything ?! laughing
                      1. OrcSWAT
                        OrcSWAT April 28 2018 14: 51
                        0
                        Dauren, you ask what is the annual outflow of the Russian-speaking population from Kazakhstan, and then ask yourself why? Maybe you still don’t fully imagine how things really are? You know, there is no smoke without fire.
                4. Amateur
                  Amateur April 27 2018 05: 39
                  0
                  And you can print on a 3-D printer.
              2. Rostislav
                Rostislav April 26 2018 20: 49
                +11
                My brother has a wife from Ust-Kamenogorsk, all relatives there and regular contacts. You do not show this beautiful sign to those Russians who have left, often forcedly, from Kazakhstan. In real life, a completely different attitude to the Russian and Russian languages ​​in the KZ
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 26 2018 21: 08
                  +5
                  Ask the Russian Kazakhstanis who are present on the site. Then we'll talk.
                  Nationalism is everywhere, but we have it more in the kitchen.
                  I’m actually wondering, do you know who ruined the USSR and who is to blame for modern realities? You (the Slavic republics) yourself wanted to get rid of the "parasites". So what now to teach "these" lives? Doesn’t it seem strange to you to ask and insist on the language, where to look for allies? Your rulers are to blame for everything or not ?! So now we’re slurping, we should blame you for lowering the entire Union to “third” countries. So do not fan your fingers fan.
                  1. impostor
                    impostor April 26 2018 21: 20
                    +6
                    Now, if you want, in continuation of the topic of our debate: “In Kazan, they again started talking about the need to learn the Tatar language for every child in every school. Earlier, Vladimir Putin put an end to this issue, but the Tatarstan United Russia party is trying to pretend that this is not the point , but a semicolon. It’s significant that they are supported in this by propaganda media funded from the United States "
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 26 2018 21: 25
                      +4
                      I don’t really know the topic. And why should not the Tatars learn their language? I don `t understand. Or that everyone should be taught, regardless of nationality? hi
                      1. impostor
                        impostor April 26 2018 21: 28
                        +8
                        But that’s not the point ... well, how can you not understand? There is a shattering of all the foundations left from the Union ... why should Russian children be forced to learn Tatar? Tatars - for God's sake, but why should everyone be forced? What kind of republican nationalism?
                      2. bobba94
                        bobba94 April 26 2018 23: 42
                        +4
                        In Tatarstan, the problem is quite interesting - young people are flying away, they are not directly refusing, namely, they are taking off learning the Tatar language. They explain this as unnecessary, they say in Moscow, St. Petersburg and abroad it will not be useful to them.
                  2. Cossack 471
                    Cossack 471 April 26 2018 21: 20
                    +3
                    If you hadn’t driven us your cheap vodka and duty-free Chinese goods. then we would not care. and so it turns out Belarus №2
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 26 2018 21: 32
                      +4
                      Our Kyrgyz are accused of smuggling, dear. Recently, even one deputy from Kyrgyzstan was taken to the KZ. Blocked the border - the noise stood up to heaven.
                      laughing - and they say that there is never much vodka. laughing . I thought this price was good for you. And it smells like - there is a whole crowd of forum users for our cheap vodka ... Well, you understand. hi
                      1. Humpty
                        Humpty April 27 2018 04: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Kasym
                        Our Kyrgyz are accused of smuggling, dear. Recently, even one deputy from Kyrgyzstan was taken to the KZ. Blocked the border - the noise stood up to heaven.

                        The deputy suddenly found a Kazakh passport. Kotrabanda from Kyrgyzstan began to interfere with Kazakh smugglers. Therefore, KZ. arranged another blockade on virtually all goods. And he set up anti-tank barriers at customs, they were probably very afraid of breaking the blockade)) Even the Kyrgyz are dangerous in that they transfer hoses to the KZ across the river. and from there all gasoline is drained, which regularly causes fuel crises, I read this.
                        And the Kyrgyz from the Kazakhs caught their beloved khan and sorry - ate, in front of the Uzbeks! This is a Kazakh movie watched. hi
                    2. StVahmistr
                      StVahmistr April 27 2018 10: 55
                      0
                      If you hadn’t driven us your cheap vodka and duty-free Chinese goods. then we would not care. and so it turns out Belarus №2
                      I drank KZ vodka more than once, and I tried cognac, normal. But the "brandy" made from vodka ...
                      Wow ... negative
                      1. Kasym
                        Kasym April 27 2018 13: 25
                        +1
                        Anatoly, probably ran into a "stick" - and we practically do not do it. According to statistics, the consumption of strong alcoholic beverages has decreased significantly since the 90s, when everything was poured. Very good cognac "Zhenis", "Batyr", "Kaharman", "Kazakhstani". hi
                2. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 02: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Rostislav
                  My brother has a wife from Ust-Kamenogorsk, all relatives there and regular contacts. You do not show this beautiful sign to those Russians who have left, often forcedly, from Kazakhstan. In real life, a completely different attitude to the Russian and Russian languages ​​in the KZ

                  Quote: impostor
                  In Kazan, they again started talking about the need to learn the Tatar language for every child in every school. Earlier, Vladimir Putin put an end to this issue, but the Tatarstan United Russia party is trying to pretend that this is not a period, but a semicolon. It is significant that they are supported in this by propaganda media funded from the USA.

                  it is also significant that in Belarus where the state languages ​​are Belarusian and Russian, there are no pages of the embassy's website in Russian
                  there is French in Canada, although in the country itself it concerns only Quebec
                  in KZ (and TS) except mattresses, Turks and, according to the old British memory, the Japanese have been blowing this duduk from the 90s without ceasing
              3. kapitan92
                kapitan92 April 26 2018 22: 16
                +5
                Quote: Kasym
                You claim that he gave two ports for NATO bases in the KZ? So show these bases half a year, a year ... This will not happen, fake news - according to the law "good" should be given to the CSTO countries. NATO ships must travel through the internal channels of the Russian Federation in order to get to the Caspian.

                You have a dispute between the blind and the deaf. Nazarbayev really signed a contract from Kazakhstan for the provision of transit services to amers. Using two ports, transit further through Azerbaijan. What are the bases? What are amerov’s corvettes? fellow
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 26 2018 22: 31
                  +3
                  Vyacheslav, you forum users ask, not me. Yesterday there was an article for the base - here the people were indignant.
                  And transit. The contract was extended - that's all. It is from the time when the NATO caravans in Pakistan began to burn. hi
              4. Piramidon
                Piramidon April 26 2018 22: 27
                +2
                Quote: Kasym
                NATO ships must travel through the internal channels of the Russian Federation in order to get to the Caspian.

                Not necessarily there will be a naval base with cruisers and aircraft carriers. The Yankees can use these ports to transport goods (including military) to Central Asia.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 26 2018 22: 37
                  +3
                  Stepan, these warehouses have been operating for 15 years. And you have such an agreement on the airfield. So they use them to supply their contingent in Afghanistan. This supply chain was formed due to the fact that NATO. caravans began to burn in Pakistan. hi
                2. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek April 27 2018 00: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Not necessarily there will be a naval base with cruisers and aircraft carriers.

                  it would be interesting to see how they drag their troughs to the Caspian !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
                  1. YELLOWSTONE
                    YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 02: 07
                    0
                    some large double-hull aircraft Bert Rutan to help Mriya not washed down for this?
                    1. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek April 27 2018 02: 51
                      +5
                      Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                      some large double-hull aircraft Bert Rutan to help Mriya not washed down for this?

                      what what what are you kidding me ?? what what are you going to warships ... carry airplanes ??? what what look at the carrying capacity of the "Khokhlyat" mriya and the tonnage of warships !!! fool wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
                      1. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 03: 14
                        0
                        generally such a thing is as a sectional assembly
                      2. igorka357
                        igorka357 April 27 2018 06: 43
                        +2
                        And what .. ships are not yet "military-combat" ..... laughing laughing laughing ?
                    2. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek April 27 2018 03: 38
                      +4
                      Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                      generally such a thing is as a sectional assembly

                      recourse recourse recourse Well, then describe the methodology as the Americans will sort out their aircraft carrier with a displacement of 100 tons into "sections", then transport it, and then collect it back !! what fool wassat wassat laughing laughing I don’t ask how many trilliards it would cost such a "clowning" !! lol lol lol
                      1. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 04: 17
                        0
                        The USSR threw submarines even by rail (but Energy-Buran is no longer there), the trimaran corvette can be so assembled, did the Germans drag their sieges to yours on Ladoga?
                      2. AlexVas44
                        AlexVas44 April 27 2018 07: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                        ... an aircraft carrier with a displacement of 100 thousand tons ...

                        The Caspian will not come out of the coast? laughing laughing laughing
              5. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 02: 20
                0
                Quote: Kasym
                Do you know anything that it is impossible for Kazakhs from China, KZ and Turkey to write off - is there a different alphabet everywhere, etc.?

                and where do the Kazakhs live more and what is the Chinese alphabet?
              6. Vanek
                Vanek April 27 2018 04: 39
                +2
                Quote: Kasym
                NATO ships must travel through the internal channels of the Russian Federation in order to get to the Caspian.


                And how do you see it?

                Is it on the Volga? In the Urals?
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 27 2018 04: 49
                  +2
                  Ivan, I'm sorry, but first, get into the topic, and then write. It is your fellow countrymen who claim that KZ gave the go-ahead to NATO bases in the Caspian. By the way, our embassy in the Russian Federation has already denied this information. hi
                  1. Vanek
                    Vanek April 27 2018 04: 59
                    +3
                    Quote: Kasym
                    your countrymen


                    There was a time, you and I, Dauren, were countrymen. And far from our merit is otherwise.

                    Regarding the bases. I immediately realized - the theme and candy wrapper are not worth it. There are no other waterways in the Caspian. Kura does not count.

                    Quote: Kasym
                    understand the topic


                    When I was in school, I didn’t have any Yandex or Google. No other internet. Examination dibilnogo was not. There were two compulsory ones - Russian, mathematics and two by choice. I handed over biology by choice and .... Yes, geography.

                    Quote: Kasym
                    Sorry, Ivan


                    Not yet. I myself am Kazakh for my mother. So that...

                    hi
              7. Spez
                Spez April 27 2018 04: 51
                0
                Well, tell me how well an assimilated Russian lives in Kazakhstan. I have an aunt in Balkhash and an ex-wife from Tselinograd, it seems, now Astana.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 27 2018 04: 55
                  +2
                  Everyone lives wonderful thanks to your Gorbachev and EBN - or didn’t they ruin the country and put everyone in shit ?! So you tell me, and we will listen. hi
                  1. Spez
                    Spez April 27 2018 07: 33
                    0
                    To tell ?! OK. From the beginning of the 80s, even before the arrival of Gorbach, the Kazakh Natsiks were given an indulgence, such as being allowed not only to occupy leadership positions, but also to make decisions on the appointment and election for these posts. And they, with their flattened mind, considered that they could be independent. As a result, it turned out almost like in South Africa. Confusion and vacillations began almost before the Karabakh conflict. As a result, after a treacherous conspiracy in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, the endless south joyfully undocked from Russia, nominally remaining in the CIS. The stump is clear, we can feed ourselves on our own, we have the same deposits of Tselin and Baikonur, uranium and copper ores, oil, gas ... Yeah, as well as small-town princes and drug trafficking. The Soviet legacy was sold and drunk even faster than in Russia. And do not blame everything on EBN, he preferred Stolichnaya to the Snow Queen. So yourself, all yourself ...
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 27 2018 07: 55
                      +3
                      Eugene, why are you better than these western fake-journalists if you write nonsense ?! It is precisely that, after your betrayal, there was no confidence in your hands in Central Asia. We at their borders left a blazing Afghan. Therefore, we will not see Uzbeks and Turkmens in the EAEU. This is the reason for the growth of nationalism in Central Asia, they just did not come from the ceiling! In the KZ it was possible to put out it in 1,5 g.
                      Do not worry, KZ will feed itself. We do not walk with outstretched hands.
                      It’s better to go with your wife to her homeland and let her see what happened to her city.
                      You do not mean a flattened mind - go learn Russian first, academician. laughing
                      1. Spez
                        Spez April 27 2018 08: 43
                        0
                        Our rue-lei? No, my friend, at that moment yours too. Less jerboa had to drive across the steppes, breadwinners, damn it ...
                2. igorka357
                  igorka357 April 27 2018 06: 45
                  0
                  Balkhash is a lake .. I lived nearby, and Astana is the former Alma-Ata ..
                  1. Spez
                    Spez April 27 2018 07: 04
                    0
                    There is the city of Balkhash on the lake. I started to walk there.
                    Not Alma-Ata, but Akmola, Tselinograd, Akmola, now Astana. Looked at the wiki ...
            2. Kasym
              Kasym April 26 2018 22: 17
              +4
              Impostor Dear, it does not seem to you that you are using double standards. Imagine yourself TATARIN. And now think for the pride of the Tatars - why on the streets of Tatarstan does not sound native speech ?! Do not infringe on their nat. pride. That's all I think about it. What is wrong, that the Russians and others in Tatarstan will know Tatar - I see nothing wrong. We have Russians and others who know Kazakh Kazakhs in their arms. And they obligated the bureaucrats, under the threat of dismissal and deprivation of the opportunity to work in the state for 5 years. authorities to answer citizens' questions in the language in which they were asked the question.
              I do not know the laws of Kyrgyzstan. We adopted a law on the deployment of military bases of third countries, as soon as the states requested this base in Alma-Ata before entering Afghanistan. They passed the law and sent NATO members to the forest. True, they gave the airfield in Chimkent in cases of emergency - but they never used it. So what's the point now to give them a base in the KZ, what happened? Yes, and now, the noise stood to heaven, if such a decision were made.
              Actually, the National Academy of Sciences in the KZ is considered a Russophile, and in the Russian Federation it is almost called a traitor. They cannot justify the truth.
              Go to the ANC website (Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan). Understand a lot. They collected all 130 diasporas of the KZ. The Russian community of KZ in Alma-Ata is located near the Center. Stadium, in the building of the Small Arena. I constantly see there a couple of double-decker buses. The Russian community has been given one seat in parliament forever. That is, it is not the elections that delegate there, but the community itself. ANCs own 9 seats in parliament with a rotation for two years. Has the right to write and propose laws for consideration, as well as impose VETO. In short, the ANC is responsible for the interethnic. relations in the Republic of Kazakhstan. hi
              Soon ANC Congress.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk April 26 2018 23: 34
                +6
                Quote: Kasym
                mpostor. Dear, it does not seem to you that you are using double standards. Imagine yourself TATARIN. And now think for the pride of the Tatars - why on the streets of Tatarstan does not sound native speech ?! Do not infringe on their nat. pride.

                Those. You want to say that in order for “Tatar speech to be heard on the streets of Tatarstan,” Russian children must speak the Tatar language? But why the Tatars themselves do not speak the Tatar language on the streets of Tatarstan?
                Quote: Kasym
                Do not infringe on their nat. pride.

                And again, you demand that the Russians do not speak their native language, so as not to “infringe” the Tatar national. pride? Dear, are you out of your mind? Many Kazakhs live in Russia, but I have not heard that they were forbidden to communicate among themselves in the Kazakh language, so as not to infringe on the nat. pride of russian. Nonsense.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 26 2018 23: 44
                  +3
                  Dear, where did I write so that Russians do not speak Russian? You do not invent. I write that in Tatarstan (and indeed in any national republic in your Federation) it would probably be convenient to know a couple of languages ​​- nothing more.
                  Sorry, but next. since I won’t even answer. hi
                  1. YELLOWSTONE
                    YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 02: 11
                    +1
                    yes you have nothing
                    Kazakh bureaucrats ceased to know Russian? it has not been required of judges for a long time, and not only in the kitchen. or maybe a doctor should also speak Kazakh with the patient during surgery?
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 27 2018 04: 52
                      +2
                      Would you just write something? Stupid komenta not seen. hi
                  2. YELLOWSTONE
                    YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 05: 17
                    0
                    no, it's in you.
                    it would be smarter to answer or not to write anything
                    There were no Russian bureaucrats in the KZ even under the USSR, there were only specialists
                    in court, Russian is used only when necessary, although this is an official (not state, with restrictions) language
                    in Canada, if someone wants to communicate in French they will be called an interpreter or an official who speaks French, then an official who speaks only English for not knowing French will not expel anyone, and vice versa (although this is inconvenient in the second case).
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 27 2018 07: 20
                      +2
                      Everything is clear with you. Who is Kolbin, where, who and where did he appoint to KZ? The topic is closed with you.
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                  3. YELLOWSTONE
                    YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 07: 40
                    0
                    you so close the topic with someone else.
                    and why did the Kazakhs immediately behave so “strange” in Alma-Ata in 1986?
                    First Secretary only Kazakh? yes
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                      1. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 09: 01
                        0
                        Quote: kerulen
                        The "Decembrists" of the 16th Zheltoksan 1986 soldier behaved correctly. This day is the most significant in the Republic of Kazakhstan ..

                        well with you two and everything is clear
                        how many non-Kazakhs were there leaders of regions of this level?
                        in the Kustanai region and now there are more Russians than Kazakhs.
                      2. kerulen
                        kerulen April 27 2018 17: 15
                        0
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        how many non-Kazakhs were there leaders of regions of this level?
                        Have you been banned in Google? You generally wrote that quote: YELLOWSTONE: there were no Russian bureaucrats in the KZ even under the USSR, there were only specialists-deputies.
                        I proved that this is not so ..
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        well, with you two and everything is clear
                        Me with you too laughing - abandoned Mother Motherland, fled for a good life to Canada. Let me remind you of the Russo-Canadian that Canada now supports the not legitimate junta in Kuev, which kills the children of Donbass. I am Kazakh and live in Kazakhstan, and you Russian abandoned Russia, which raised you and fed you for Canada, which joined the sanctions against the Kremlin and also, you write something to me .. request "Patriot Runner"
                  4. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk April 27 2018 09: 29
                    0
                    Dauren, forgive me, but I just want to understand you. Yes, you did not say that the Russians did not speak Russian. But you said: - "And now think for the pride of the Tatars - why do you not hear native speech on the streets of Tatarstan ?! Do not infringe on their national pride." I don’t know what you thought when you wrote this, but if you think logically, it turns out that way - Tatar speech does not sound on the streets of Tatarstan, because Russians and Tatars do not speak Tatar. And, if the Russians will learn, without fail, the Tatar language, then it will sound on the streets of Tatarstan. That is, indirectly, you oblige the Russians to speak the Tatar language on the "streets of Tatarstan". You, of course, will now object, say - I didn’t mean it - but it turns out that way! The Russians are to blame for the fact that the Tatar language does not sound on the "streets of Tatarstan". How else can you interpret your words?
                    So you write: - "... it would probably be convenient to know a couple of languages ​​..." Explain, please, - is it convenient to whom? Russian? Now, if a Russian comes, for example, to England, then he learns English for the convenience of communication. tongue. Everything is logical here. But if Russian comes to Tatarstan, then why should he learn Tatar if all Tatars know Russian? Just to amuse the pride of the Tatars? In order not to infringe on nat. pride? Sorry, but this is just a whim. You simply cannot let a simple thought into your brain - there is a fundamental principle - the right to choose. Russian parents HAVE THE RIGHT to choose whether their child will learn the Tatar language or not. No one has the right to impose on a citizen or prohibit anything; in which watered. join the party, choose your profession, place of residence, which books to read, which God to pray and much, much more. It is possible and necessary to prohibit that which harms society. But to impose .... And you, indirectly, impose on citizens what they cannot use in life.
                    If you do not answer, I will regard it as agreement with my logic. If you answer to clarify your position, advance - rahmat.
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 27 2018 13: 47
                      +1
                      I will write again, if you do not understand - put yourself in the place of a Tatar, that’s all. If you do not appreciate nat. minorities, and they live on their lands, Russia will fall apart. Look at Ukraine and what they did there with the Russians and the language.
                      Second moment. You can’t lose a single language of a small nation, and the RF is valuable because it is multinational. This is your Strength and Well-being. Well, what is wrong, that the Russians in Tatarstan will know Tatar, because they know Russian - this is a sign of respect. Look at the relationship of the Tatars to the Russian, who knows Tatar - great respect and honor. So what's wrong here?
                      You with such thoughts will only undermine Russia. No imposition is necessary - after all, do you study foreign in schools or what ?! And it may not be useful to you, but the language of the indigenous population, where you live very much. Because they will accept you as a native.
                      My daughter is now in England, she knows English perfectly. How was I to know (I took courses to a deeper knowledge - I also thought that it would not be useful) that she could even write her own songs in English and compose music? And here it is. Search engine: Bota feat the Jigits You plus Me. So learn languages ​​- useful.
                      In Kazakh: thanks - rakhmet. You are on Uzbek. have written.
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk April 27 2018 16: 00
                        0
                        [quote = Kasym] I will write again if you do not understand [/ quote]
                        Eh Dauren, Dauren, I understood you a long time ago - you completely lack logic in this matter, some national emotions with hidden ambitions. You offer the Russians to put themselves in the place of the Tatars, so that they finally understand that it is vital for them to learn the Tatar language, otherwise, not learning the language, says that Russians do not value the nat. minorities and therefore Russia will fall apart. As they say - hello, we arrived.
                        [quote = Kasym] Look at Ukraine and what they did there with the Russians and the language. [/ quote
                        This is exactly what you propose to do in Tatarstan. Look, there were both Ukrainian-speaking schools and Russian-speaking schools in Ukraine. All studied Ukrainian. the language is on par with Russian in both schools. Then, in 1989. the first attempts were made to transfer schools to Ukrainian. language of instruction. Those. opening classes in Russian-language schools with Ukrainian language of instruction. Due to the fact that at that time Sov. laws, the parents simply did not agree with this and did not give their children to these classes. The idea failed. But already in 91g. First, the study of the history of Ukraine was transferred to Ukrainian. language in a Russian-language school, and then all teaching in Ukrainian. language. Now in Ukraine there are no Russian-speaking schools.
                        You, with your proposal, are at the very beginning of the Ukrainian path.
                        That's why I argue that violence in the study of nat. languages ​​necessarily lead to tear. Ukraine to you as an example. You still do not understand what happened in Ukraine. In Ukraine, no one banned the Ukrainian. tongue. In Ukraine, it was imposed more and more from year to year. And Crimea with the Donbass could not stand this language violence.
                        [quote = Kasym] If you do not appreciate nat. minorities, [/ quote]
                        Sorry, but why value them? And in general, how is it to value nat. minorities? Among the nat. minorities are bastards, should I be appreciated? No, thank you. I will appreciate the person, and it does not matter to me what nationality he is, whether he knows my language or not. I judge a person by his moral and business qualities. And I appreciate him for that. And nat. minorities for me - an empty phrase.
                        [quote = Kasym] You cannot lose a single language of a small nation, [/ quote]
                        Why so? What will happen? Will the moon fall to earth? Will it snow in the Sahara for a month? Explain articulate what will happen? Do you know how many languages ​​have already disappeared? So what? Has life stopped? Dauren, some emotions, with hidden ambitions. [Quote = Kasym] Well, what's bad that the Russians in Tatarstan will know Tatar, [/ quote]
                        Nothing bad! Only good! But only let not the Tatars decide to study the Tatar language in Russian or not to study. Leave this right to the Russians themselves. Neither the imposition of learning English has been imposed on you or your daughter, is it? You yourself have decided so.
                        [quote = Kasym] ... because they (Tatars) know Russian - this is a sign of respect. [/ quote]
                        No, Dauren, this is not a sign of respect. This is a vital necessity. How is your knowledge of English for your daughter.
                        [quote = Kasym] respect. Look at the relationship of the Tatars to the Russian, who knows Tatar - great respect and honor. [/ quote]
                        Today's Prime Minister of Ukraine, Jew Groisman, knows the Ukrainian. language, but for some reason there is no honor or respect for it. Why? Because he is unsuitable. But Azarov, being the prime minister, did not know the Ukrainian. language, for which he was constantly taunted, that is, they were not respected, but with him the industry was Ukrainian. evolved. So what is more important for the people - professional suitability or knowledge of the language?
                        [quote = Kasym] You with such thoughts will only undermine Russia. [/ quote]
                        No, Dauren, it was just such as you who undermined Ukraine. First, slowly, little by little, and then more and more.
              2. impostor
                impostor April 27 2018 15: 05
                0
                Kasym hi I already posted that I would only be glad for your alignment. But the Caspian flotilla has recently been a splinter in the NATO ass, not even a splinter - it’s a boil that threatens blood poisoning, so any, even the most fantastic predictions of the development of events have the right to life. With regards to Tatarstan - the study of the Tatra language should be voluntary. If the Russian-speaking family wants their child to learn the Tatra language - let him teach. Ethnic Tatars have the right and should know the national language, no objections. Forced study of Tatar by ethnic Russians will not be there. "Mom swear!"
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 27 2018 16: 38
                  +1
                  Do you need a refutation of the embassy? Even without him, I began to deny all kinds of bases - there are 7 objects of the Russian Defense Ministry. Most are secret (communication center with Pacific Fleet, overseas radar, Sary-Shagan training ground, Baikonur). Does NAS really understand such things - it’s been in power for 30 years !!!
                  It's up to you what to teach and what not - I'm just writing my reasoning, because You asked.
                  I just think that if everyone knows Tatar and Russian, then society will be more monolithic. And so ... what does this bunch of Tatars say - maybe it offends, or maybe they thought something bad? That is, on the "treason", because they do not know what they are talking about. And so ... there will be no problems with the relationship absolutely. Society and people will be more monolithic and united. That's all thoughts. hi
                  But I’ll somehow “ask” Mikhan for his “traitors, a knife in the back, I don’t trust the Kazakhs”. It can’t justify in any way - for a hundred times his tail has been "running out". But this time, without apology, he won’t get off. wink
                  1. impostor
                    impostor April 27 2018 16: 43
                    0
                    For the fourth time, I am ready to confirm that I would be satisfied with your scenario of developments. If necessary, I will confirm it in the fifth.
            3. alexjk
              alexjk April 27 2018 08: 50
              0
              cross-eyed must be removed
            4. Ace Tambourine
              Ace Tambourine April 27 2018 09: 16
              0
              It's time to think about treasure ...
              Nursultanka effectively showed ...
              Now Faberge is clamped by the door and won't squeak ...
          2. Scoun
            Scoun April 26 2018 21: 50
            +2
            Quote: Kasym
            Serge, do you want to return to the topic for half a year - will I then look at your desire to throw it off ?! Have you agreed?

            Kasym, Mirzoyev benefited Uzbekistan, in Kyrgyzstan, for the first time, a normal change of power took place .... but what about the Kazakhs, or rather, what ?!
            There is still ... what about Lukashenko?
            1. Kasym
              Kasym April 26 2018 22: 26
              +4
              Roman, I think we don’t need such a democracy.
              Presidents in the West, sitting for 4 years, cannot draw up long-term development programs for the country and all the more so "look ahead". They (presidents in the West) are more populists and temporary workers. They are forced to respond with momentary benefits, which is not always good for the future of their country.
              Here is a simple comparison. Ukraine already has 5 president, and what have they done for Ukraine, what new industry have they created or have factories built? During the industrial program (from 11 years) in the KZ more than 1000 enterprises have already been built. 2,7 thousand km. yellow roads, 6 pipelines, new asf. roads, etc. .. When my guests were Kiev, they did not hope to see this. "Why are you so scolding ANAS?" hi
      2. Retvizan 8
        Retvizan 8 April 27 2018 05: 00
        0
        Well, don’t think that Nazarbayev has cheated on Russia, I think that these flirtations with the States should be very displeasing to China. It is very unpleasant for them to have a base on their border!
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 27 2018 07: 21
          +2
          Eugene, what kind of "flirting", please tell? That EBN and Humpback just flirted - what led everyone knows. hi
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter April 26 2018 19: 33
      +17
      A holy place is never empty. Ukraine will provide NATO with its Ruslans and Mriyu

      Something I don’t envy NATO, and I’m not sure that they will agree, knowing how the skakuas can keep their equipment ready ... lol
      1. impostor
        impostor April 26 2018 19: 35
        +4
        Fire engine 225?
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter April 26 2018 19: 38
          +5
          And not only .
          1. impostor
            impostor April 26 2018 19: 42
            +4
            Steel balancing plates?
      2. 210ox
        210ox April 26 2018 19: 37
        +4
        Pasha, do they have a choice? No, of course they have their own transport aviation and are not very weak .. But here Politics ..
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        A holy place is never empty. Ukraine will provide NATO with its Ruslans and Mriyu

        Something I don’t envy NATO, and I’m not sure that they will agree, knowing how the skakuas can keep their equipment ready ... lol
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter April 26 2018 19: 40
          +10
          If NATO wanted to, then the 404th transport would have long been using orders of magnitude. But this does not happen. Why? wink
          1. impostor
            impostor April 26 2018 19: 48
            0
            Volga-Dnepr cost the Yankees cheaper, however
        2. Tersky
          Tersky April 26 2018 20: 50
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          they have their own transport aircraft and are not very weak

          Airbus A400M? It can carry four times less cargo than Ruslan. Those. you need to launch into the sky for four sides. And there are loads that weigh more than 25 tons. For example, some samples of armored vehicles. Not in parts to transport tanks? NATO has a Boeing C-17 Globemaster III with a payload capacity of 77 tons. But for the reception of this aircraft will have to invest billions of dollars in the infrastructure of a large number of NATO airfields, "Ruslan" with its carrying capacity is quite simple airfield. Therefore, they ordered our transporters. hi
          1. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil April 26 2018 21: 25
            0
            And what is it about C-17 that it’s not enough for a simple airfield? Mileage and take-off, like a regular passenger plane
            1. Mih1974
              Mih1974 April 27 2018 03: 07
              +1
              Maybe the engines are low, this is almost a global problem of Western aircraft, they "eat" crap from the strip at a time and "fall". Maybe the chassis is not adapted, maybe something else, but in fact - the West in its "satiety" relaxed so much that it was preparing to fight (live) only in conditions of "air conditioning". tongue
              They made elephant-slam tanks that not every bridge can withstand or pass under, tied almost all weapons to DzhSySy, not expecting at all either a cosmic storm or enemy counteraction (destruction) of satellites fool .
              Yes, even in ordinary life they completely believed in ignorance, now they all tied up with non-cash, and if they had another “great cut-off” of petarism, how did it happen in 80, or in 70, what will they do? When all ATMs and terminals become a stake, the Internet will turn off and these "post-industrials" will be mobilized - they will instantly return to the times of the wild west "who has the colt is right." fool
              1. Mimoprohodil
                Mimoprohodil April 27 2018 10: 20
                0
                Quote: Mih1974
                Maybe the engines are low, this is almost a global problem of Western aircraft, they "eat" crap from the strip at a time and "fall". Maybe the chassis is not adapted, maybe something else

                Or maybe there are no problems and a simple airfield is enough for him. High wing, powerful wing mechanization. What else is needed for happiness?
                In the late 1980s, in Germany there were only 47 airfields suitable for operating S-14G aircraft and 18 for S-5. At the same time, the S-17A can operate from 132 German airfields
      3. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 26 2018 20: 03
        +5
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Something I do not envy NATO
        Pasha do not boil
        including the An-225 Mriya transporter, Defense-Aerospace reports
        To date, not a single Mriya is able to fly ...., States need to invest in this program as restoring flights of shuttles ... (well, this is taking into account corruption in Ukraine) Do you know the state of aviation in Ukraine?
        1. helmi8
          helmi8 April 26 2018 20: 15
          +4
          Quote: NIKNN
          To date, not a single Mriya is able to fly ..

          So she’s all alone ... And she’s not Ukrainian anymore.
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 26 2018 20: 22
            +3
            Quote: helmi8
            And she is no longer Ukrainian.

            And then what is mandim ... laughing I did not know. that they’ve already sold, but in general there were 2 of them .. hi
            1. helmi8
              helmi8 April 26 2018 20: 23
              +2
              Quote: NIKNN
              generally there were 2 of them.

              The second was never completed ...
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN April 26 2018 20: 26
                +3
                Quote: helmi8
                The second was never completed ...

                To be honest, it’s sad ... there was a great engineering breakthrough ... There are no analogues even in the future ... Well, with the closure of cooperation in the space industry and in general, the West has successfully pushed all of us in the ass ... effective managers defeated everyone ..., Amy's all new weapons, new weapons ...
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek April 27 2018 00: 43
              +3
              Quote: NIKNN
              Quote: helmi8
              And she is no longer Ukrainian.

              And then what is mandim ... laughing I did not know. that they’ve already sold, but in general there were 2 of them .. hi


              this is the second !!! wassat wassat wassat
          2. Mih1974
            Mih1974 April 27 2018 03: 11
            +1
            Well xs, and how will the Chinese do their "mriyu" if, in addition to pouring duralium, all other technologies were probably (95%) lost? request No engines, no controls - nothing is produced. The Chinese, of course, are notable copy pasteurists, but here you are not to copy an aircraft carrier from sheet iron
        2. Antares
          Antares April 27 2018 08: 54
          +1
          Quote: NIKNN
          To date, no Mriya is able to fly

          What flew to Leipzig then? belay

          And most importantly, it landed

          Is that a conspiracy of aliens?
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 26 2018 20: 23
        +5
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        A holy place is never empty. Ukraine will provide NATO with its Ruslans and Mriyu

        Something I don’t envy NATO, and I’m not sure that they will agree, knowing how the skakuas can keep their equipment ready ... lol

        The way they keep their equipment ready, it’s okay, but the way how puppeteers manage from take-off to landing while in the air to slam off half the load without a trace will torment mattress partners for more than one year. request
    3. Equalized
      Equalized April 26 2018 19: 41
      +11
      They earn money by the way. And then they "licked"? What is the point you made in this message?

      If the news began with “Antonov is ready to provide for FREE ...” I would have understood. request
      1. Russia
        Russia April 26 2018 19: 44
        +5
        Insurers will manage, and risk is a noble cause. smile With one foot in Nate, we don’t enter, so we’ll destroy the equipment with them smile participation too.
    4. mamertinets
      mamertinets April 26 2018 19: 43
      +9
      Quote: 210ox
      Sixes ... What to take from them .. Licked nobly.

      Why sixes? People make money. Anyone in their place would have done the same.
    5. forester
      forester April 26 2018 20: 22
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Sixes ... What to take from them .. Licked nobly.

      Do not panic - they have a dumb carp - and these are dying convulsions - well, hi
      1. 113262a
        113262a April 26 2018 21: 09
        0
        Father will sell!
      2. Dr dron
        Dr dron April 26 2018 21: 17
        0
        And kakly can’t fly over the airspace of the Russian Federation, however, like us over Ukraine. So Ukrainians will be able to carry goods for NATO only bypassing the Russian Federation. Again a problem. :)
    6. rammjager
      rammjager April 26 2018 21: 16
      +2
      Oh, how! The Russian Air Force didn’t lick, but the Ukrainians "licked nobly." You would, as it were, more specifically.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 26 2018 22: 56
        +3
        Quote: rammjager
        Oh, how! The Russian Air Force did not lick, and the Ukrainians "licked nobly"

        The Russian Air Force was out of business. Volga-Dnepr Civil AO.
    7. Slovak
      Slovak April 26 2018 23: 46
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      Sixes ... What to take from them .. Licked nobly.

      How are you going to fly, which route? RF will not allow
    8. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek April 27 2018 00: 30
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      company "Antonov"

      it is extremely unclear why they finally wrote such an article with such a title !!! what what wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing

      Due to the shortage of transport aviation, the European countries of NATO found it possible to attract heavy transport aircraft of the former USSR for transportation in the interests of their armed forces. The program is called SALIS (English Strategic Airlift Interim Solution). It was assumed that it would be temporary until the European partners resolved the problems with heavy transport aircraft. A letter of intent was signed in Istanbul in 2003. [2] [3] [4] Ruslan SALIS GmbH, a joint venture of Volga-Dnepr Airlines and Antonov Airlines, won the tender held under this program in 2004. In 2006, the first contract was signed.

      In connection with the events in Ukraine in 2014, Antonov Airlines refused to participate in a joint project with Russia. In December 2016, at the conclusion of the next contract within the framework of SALIS, it was divided into two separate contracts, one for the old partner Ruslan SALIS GmbH, the second for the newly created representative of Airlines Antonov Antonov SALIS GmbH. 60% of the contracted flight time was given to Ruslan SALIS GmbH, 40% went to Antonov SALIS GmbH
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 April 27 2018 03: 19
        +3
        As far as I remember, they wrote more than once that the Ruslans had almost flown away. And they only wrote about ours, where they served more or less what the Ukrainians did with their “Ruslans” there, they only knew, but considering HOW they ruined everything else, trains, railways and roads, ships, cars, the army. In general, mattresses want to increase emergency traffic - their right. And the point here is not the dough, the point is that Russia itself needs "Ruslans" because we ourselves have no real replacement for them, their resource is not eternal. Better they stay with us and fly less often, and the point here is not sanctions or “shit NATO”.
    9. sabotage
      sabotage April 27 2018 00: 41
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Sixes ... What to take from them .. Licked nobly.

      What did the Russian company do then? Directly swallowed!
    10. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka April 27 2018 07: 42
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Sixes ... What to take from them .. Licked nobly.

      and you don’t remember when ours refused, how should we have been called businessmen all these years?
    11. gukoyan
      gukoyan April 27 2018 12: 42
      0
      "Sixes ... What to take from them .. Licked nobly."
      Why are they sixes and why are they so loudly licked?
      Have you heard of such a concept as "competition"?
      One left, another came in his place ... Business, nothing personal.
  2. Shinbet
    Shinbet April 26 2018 19: 36
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    Sixes ... What to take from them .. Licked nobly.

    Yes, no one there licked. Everything is very simple - they have to earn some loot as the state of the country. But of course, at the same time, they win double, or maybe triple .. by the dough they are trying to cross the road by any means, well, maybe there is an investor in Antonov ..
    All the same, it’s stupid to heat up the situation where you just need to have a dialogue.
    1. hrych
      hrych April 26 2018 19: 53
      +5
      In addition to the presence of Ruslanov, who, incidentally, are not in the best condition, work experience and staff training are important. For the Russian crews they will find work for the Ministry of Defense, and even carry the S-300/400 closer to Israel in Syria and Iran, there is also Ruslan’s super work ... I won’t say it is a secret, but it is connected with nuclear, breakthrough technologies. But Antonovtsy have a shortage of personnel and problems with qualifications and experience. This is an objective thing, as well as the reason for the contract with us. Those. Ukrainians will not be able to directly replace immediately, all this will stretch in time and run into problems. But helping enemies is inappropriate.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin April 26 2018 20: 05
      +6
      Quote: ShinBet
      Yes, no one there licked. Everything is very simple. as a country at least somehow you need to earn loot. But of course, at the same time, they win double, or maybe triple .. by the dough they are trying to cross the road by any means, well, maybe there is an investor in Antonov ..
      All the same, it’s stupid to heat up the situation where you just need to have a dialogue.

      Tell me, who brought their country to such a state that they are ready to cross the road by any means of Russia? And, did the situation on the Independence Square (cocktails “for Molotov” in the Ukrainian Golden Eagle and snipers) heat up Russia too? And, about the dialogue with the bandits, ask the Israeli secret services yes
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 26 2018 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: ShinBet
      Well, maybe there is an investor in Antonov ..

      Why hadn’t he been found before?
  3. Vita vko
    Vita vko April 26 2018 19: 48
    0
    The fact that the Volga-Dnepr refused to transport NATO cargo is "wonderful." But there is also the airspace of Russia, as well as the Caspian Sea through which NATO carries military cargo. And if the Russian government decided to take measures to counter NATO cargoes, it is logical, first of all, to limit the companies of other countries, and not to punish themselves if NATO has alternative options and routes.
  4. shans2
    shans2 April 26 2018 19: 52
    +2
    An-225 sold to China, it is not in Ukraine ...
    1. Antares
      Antares April 27 2018 08: 59
      0
      Quote: shans2
      An-225 sold to China, it is not in Ukraine ...

      Yeah .. take off in Gostomel and land in Leipzig-Chinese installation.
  5. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 26 2018 19: 57
    0
    Yes, yes .. give the remnants of liquid dignity .... although what dignity can be said in the "country" where fascist ki march.
  6. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 26 2018 20: 04
    +4
    In the light of everything that is happening in Ukraine, I with three hands "FOR" !! Let them transport! The more hahly the NATO troops will be transported, the greater will be the losses of the latter. yes
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 26 2018 20: 09
    +1
    Slaves with slave philosophy! The main thing is to do everything to the detriment of us, and it doesn’t matter that they themselves often do considerable harm with their stupid decisions! For the satisfaction of the owner at any cost, even to the detriment of himself, is the most important task! !! lol fool
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan April 26 2018 20: 54
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      For the satisfaction of the owner at all costs

      what
      Mine will build, not otherwise ... yes
      Hello, epic! drinks
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 26 2018 21: 53
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The main thing is to do everything to the detriment of us, and it doesn’t matter that we often do a lot of harm ourselves

      Have you read the article? There is just the opposite. That Russia itself has done worse. And Ukraine will work on this.
  8. RedKors1953
    RedKors1953 April 26 2018 20: 09
    +1
    They wrote nonsense! The portal notes AN - 225 has a payload of 250 tons. Also (Antonov) has 7 AN-124 (Ruslan) aircraft with a carrying capacity of up to 150 tons, unlike the 12 (Ruslan) aircraft available in Russia. What is the difference? Our 12 have a lifting capacity of 150 tons as well as Ukrainian. And for a 250 tonne you need to find the cargo and not everywhere it can land and take off.
  9. Shinbet
    Shinbet April 26 2018 20: 14
    +1
    Quote: Terenin
    Quote: ShinBet
    Yes, no one there licked. Everything is very simple. as a country at least somehow you need to earn loot. But of course, at the same time, they win double, or maybe triple .. by the dough they are trying to cross the road by any means, well, maybe there is an investor in Antonov ..
    All the same, it’s stupid to heat up the situation where you just need to have a dialogue.

    Tell me, who brought their country to such a state that they are ready to cross the road by any means of Russia? And, did the situation on the Independence Square (cocktails “for Molotov” in the Ukrainian Golden Eagle and snipers) heat up Russia too? And, about the dialogue with the bandits, ask the Israeli secret services yes

    What does the special service of Israel? Just Israel can have only one interest - that they would give it to carry out everything that is necessary to protect the country. But he very often does this without permission. But at the expense of heating up the situation, there is nothing to provide in return. I just saw and heard everything on the phone, but because I trust him a little, I will not argue ..
  10. pavelwf1
    pavelwf1 April 26 2018 20: 16
    +2
    They have the power, they have it! But! Temporarily have it, since the entire aircraft building and operational platform has been destroyed! It will be busy to see how 150 tons of all sorts of expensive, state-run junk fly stone down!
    Due to the fact that due aircraft for years did not receive proper care! Nude, Nude! ;)
  11. BAI
    BAI April 26 2018 20: 19
    0
    Have they not yet sold Mriyu?
  12. Lyutoyar R.
    Lyutoyar R. April 26 2018 20: 28
    +1
    Quote: NIKNN
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Something I do not envy NATO
    Pasha do not boil
    including the An-225 Mriya transporter, Defense-Aerospace reports
    To date, not a single Mriya is able to fly ...., States need to invest in this program as restoring flights of shuttles ... (well, this is taking into account corruption in Ukraine) Do you know the state of aviation in Ukraine?

    In fact, Mriya exists in a single copy.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 26 2018 22: 18
      +1
      Quote: Lyutoyar R.
      In fact, Mriya exists in a single copy.
      Actually, there are two of them, though one flies, the second does not.




      https://maksiemens.livejournal.com/2238.html
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 April 26 2018 20: 39
    +5
    “Antonov” at full load could carry out only a third of bulky transport. They now work with full load. Nowhere else to go. And yes, two-thirds of all the details on their Soviet / Russian-made aircraft. A resource is not eternal.
  14. Dora2014
    Dora2014 April 26 2018 20: 39
    +11
    I supervised the commissioning site of the first serial An-124 Ruslan with the serial number 01-07. I explain it responsibly: before the 2019-th year, and even about a year before the 2025-th “Mriya” it is unrealistic to collect. 12 "Ruslanov" - this is only in the "Volga-Dnepr", how many of them in the BTA - I will not say. Ukrainians will not provide transport of NATO - more than 2-3 "Ruslans" they will not fly into the air. And the support infrastructure is not there. According to Ruslan, only Volga-Dnepr and BTA have it. This is - in short, without unnecessary details.
  15. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk April 26 2018 20: 58
    +1
    Didn’t they sell Mriya?
  16. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev April 26 2018 21: 04
    0
    Well, who would doubt that Mriyu turned right place
  17. Orkraider
    Orkraider April 26 2018 21: 19
    0
    Good luck to them, well done, glad. The resource is not eternal, let it be worked out.
    Our sides will be useful to us. But in general, several years, 5-6 will be happy, but then it will be sad. The funny thing is that Antonov was divided not so long ago and the money from transportation cannot be used by the plant, but will be ... If I'm not mistaken of course.
  18. d1975
    d1975 April 26 2018 21: 30
    +4
    Quote: Kasym
    Impostor In half a year, a year we’ll see.
    In the Baltic States and Ukraine, Russian schools are being closed - even in a remote kaz. the aul, where Russian was taught according to the shortened program, is now OBLIGED to conduct full training. I am writing to you about what is. Draw your own conclusions. hi

    Kasym is all good, but tell me why the Russians are fleeing from Kazakhstan? winked
    1. Kasym
      Kasym April 26 2018 23: 02
      +3
      Run on the scale of error.
      I believe that if there is somewhere a prospect for a person, then he will strive to go there and this does not depend much on nationality.
      Well. The Embassy of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation had to make statements on these failed NATO bases. As I stated, this is fake news. hi
      1. d1975
        d1975 April 27 2018 08: 49
        +2
        For me, a new alliance must be done! All these microstates are a geographical misunderstanding, an example is Ukraine! drinks
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 27 2018 17: 00
          +2
          I am for it!!! drinks
  19. unignm
    unignm April 26 2018 21: 36
    +1
    The portal notes that the An-225 has a payload of 250 tons
    1 PC. and then they sold it to the Chinese.
  20. akims
    akims April 26 2018 21: 50
    +2
    They will provide their opa! Nothing to provide. KhAZ was defeated, people crawled away, and the same happened with transportation. A friend raids on il-76 t for 1500 hours - he trades in the bazaar.
  21. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 26 2018 21: 51
    0
    After the Russian airline Volga-Dnepr refused to renew the contract for the transportation of NATO cargoes by the An-124 Ruslan aircraft, the Ukrainian company Antonov declared its readiness to provide additional support to the alliance, including providing the Mriya An-225 transport company reports Defense-Aerospace

    Hit sanctions on their own.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 26 2018 22: 06
      +2
      I'm not special, but I think ... Mriya was made under Buran. Alignment, location, etc. This is not just a transporter, and you can’t cram anything that gets into it.
  22. sabakina
    sabakina April 26 2018 22: 03
    0
    impostor,
    And what is it talking about? What can I have a drink and talk? And then another drink and go to fill the face of the enemy?
  23. NF68
    NF68 April 26 2018 22: 05
    0
    They Ukrainians together will not begin to fall to the ground?
  24. shirkoled
    shirkoled April 26 2018 22: 38
    0
    Dill fussed! Flag in their hands !!!
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 27 2018 00: 16
    0
    Colony, will you take them with them?
    And on the other hand, how long will those planes last for them?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 27 2018 00: 54
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      Colony, will you take them with them?

      What are your double standards. Until 2019, the Yankees will carry our aircraft. Do you think it turns out we are a colony? request
  26. chief.matros
    chief.matros April 27 2018 02: 06
    0
    Well, they will provide their trash, so what? Russia is going to close the airspace for transporting NATO cargo to Afghanistan, etc.
  27. st2st
    st2st April 27 2018 04: 07
    +2
    People knowledgeable in aviation, answer, but is it real that Ukraine offers? Even I, a person far from aviation, think that providing only airplanes is not all. And the service bases, and flight corridors, and, finances for this pleasure, will pull Independent?
  28. Kasym
    Kasym April 27 2018 04: 22
    +1
    Humpty,
    Humpty,
    Hello Alexander! I know the topic very well. Our main smuggler, who is now in Germany after the operation, may not come to his senses. He substitutes everyone. For him, heads not only flew in our customs, but also in the KNB, etc.
    Only here Russians in vain roll a barrel. They have holes above the roof in customs. But here they are used to spiraling on us, then on Belarus. Let them see how their customs officers live. The Chichvarkin case or that smuggling gold. products, for example. hi
  29. Irina shamray
    Irina shamray April 27 2018 04: 51
    +1
    - The portal notes that the An-225 has a payload of 250 tons. Antonov also has seven An-124 Ruslan aircraft with a payload of up to 150 tons, in differences from 12 ??? Ruslanov owned by Russia ... -
    That is, 7 is more than 12? Yes, the same type. At 250 tons somewhere he is, probably. Most likely, in the same form as theirs "supercruiser". Again, someone needs to service such a fleet of cars. Spare parts, consumables and all that. In their right mind, hardly anyone will deal with them. And about the airspace an interesting situation.
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil April 27 2018 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Irina Shamray
      In their right mind, hardly anyone will deal with them
      And 4000 hours of flight in 2017, where did they come from? In Ukraine, raided? In their right mind and deal with them
    2. Antares
      Antares April 27 2018 21: 14
      0
      Quote: Irina Shamray
      unlike 12

      there, in contrast, it does not mean more / better / faster, but a statement of the fact that Russia has more.
  30. krokus792
    krokus792 April 27 2018 06: 25
    +1
    Yes, even if they’ll render their services, the main thing is not to mess with these freaks.
  31. Vladimir K.
    Vladimir K. April 27 2018 06: 29
    +1
    Given the pathological theft and slovenliness of ukrov, I really hope that one of their aircraft loaded with NATO equipment to the top will crash at some NATO military airfield.
  32. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai April 27 2018 07: 02
    0
    And probably more for free! lol
  33. LeftPers
    LeftPers April 27 2018 07: 05
    +1
    Here are nits, even somehow squeamish that we have a particle of total blood. Ugh on them.
  34. SOF
    SOF April 27 2018 07: 18
    +1
    Quote: Kasym
    Do you know anything that it is impossible for Kazakhs from China, KZ and Turkey to write off - is there a different alphabet everywhere, etc.?

    ... it’s known .... Honestly, what letters will you write to me filapetovo, but a hundred times strange lol customize whole country under the terms of understanding her Diasporas abroad..... Have you heard anything about how a car is constructed from an existing wheel? lol or imagine a situation when all the tigers of the world suddenly decide to repaint white so that the Bengal tigers become like them ......... WHITE wassat
    ... emphasizing the fact that I’m parallel, I want to assure you that for many, many years, you doom yourself to the “convenience” of having to speak two variations of your native language ...
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 April 27 2018 08: 06
      +1
      Quote: SOF
      customize an entire country to the conditions of understanding by its diasporas abroad .....

      good laughing good
  35. uav80
    uav80 April 27 2018 08: 02
    +1
    It’s interesting that the author of the article is generally aware of what the SALIS program is and how many planes are used there .. ??
    2 Karl, only 2 ... 4 more as a backup if you need to deliver previously unplanned cargo, but they must be ordered separately ... and this UN program ...
  36. Vard
    Vard April 27 2018 08: 25
    0
    Given the state of the aircraft industry in Ukraine ... flying them with airplanes ... I would not risk it ...
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  38. Antares
    Antares April 27 2018 09: 02
    0
    Antonov Airlines flew and will fly. A German-fostered company manages to earn money for a design bureau.
    And maintain the flight condition of all Antonovs of Ukraine.
    A fake about the sale of Mriya was tired.
    Mriya is already in Leipzig. After planned upgrades and inspections.
    1. kan123
      kan123 April 27 2018 14: 49
      +2
      and the burned engine was replaced? If you let out a plane and his engine smokes, then everything is clear with these "planned upgrades." It’s like the Croats repaired the Croats — they bought parts on the market, brought them by train, unloaded them, and went to drink the money. Hohloaviatsiya, it's like everything else with this prefix. It was a big mistake to build scientific centers in Ukraine, build nuclear plants - two plants to build - a fat plant, and a moonshine plant.
      1. Antares
        Antares April 27 2018 21: 19
        0
        Quote: kan123
        and the burned engine was replaced

        Engines if anything-Zaporozhye. It has long been fixed that surge.
        Antonov is not served in Odessa. Those famous Croatian twinkle 21-the brainchild of Ukrainian and Croatian corruption and bribery.
  39. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 27 2018 11: 19
    0
    It serves Ana-Antonov and the Russian Federation now has difficulties with this matter.
  40. Sedoy
    Sedoy April 27 2018 12: 49
    +1
    * Volga-Dnepr will cease to provide NATO with oversized air services on An-124-100 Ruslan aircraft from January 1, 2019.
    ------------------
    Well, yes ... and until "January 1, 2019," it will continue to supply NATO tanks to the Russian borders ...
    well done ...
  41. Alex fox 11
    Alex fox 11 April 27 2018 13: 24
    0
    There is no sensation in this news. Ukrainians with their Mriya have long and repeatedly participated in this tender from NATO, but it was our Volga-Dnepr that always won in most parameters. These are: reliability and number of fleet used, the availability of numerous certificates and approvals, etc. etc. But the most important thing is the price! For Ukrainians, for example, it is one and a half times higher. And this is with the worst other indicators. So, NATO will lose a lot in any way from this refusal, and who will come to this place is still a question. There, not only Ukraine participated in the tender ...
    1. Antares
      Antares April 27 2018 21: 20
      0
      Quote: Alex Fox 11
      But the most important thing is the price! For Ukrainians, for example, it is one and a half times higher.

      25 thousand an hour against 34 thousand
      That's right. Plus the number of sides.
      But sanctions ..... they’re useful. recourse
  42. sub307
    sub307 April 27 2018 13: 37
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    Sixes ... What to take from them .. Licked nobly.

    Licked or how - this is actually their business. At the same time, perhaps by this act they brought their coveted entry into NATO closer, which they are seeking without hiding. Secondly, they will earn money, if they still get the tender, here it’s for sure - a holy place does not happen empty.
  43. sub307
    sub307 April 27 2018 13: 46
    +1
    Quote: poplar in Kiev
    But Nazarbayev has no choice. All loot in America. It’s time to carefully discard Nazarbayev.

    What to do with Nazarbayev’s loot - this seems to be no longer our headache. Personally, I am more concerned about the issue of our "dough" and gold reserves. There are "vague suspicions" that it is precisely in America ...., along with Nazarbayevsky. Well, this is not counting what has been taken offshore by our "effective managers".
  44. da Vinci
    da Vinci April 27 2018 13: 53
    0
    This is not news, this is the expected result. yes
    1. kan123
      kan123 April 27 2018 14: 43
      0
      corruption and aviation, this is a dangerous combination. It’s not a steam engine to do - it can even be pushed to the station
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci April 27 2018 20: 57
        0
        In this situation, corruption has nothing to do with it - it’s only politics. The worst thing is that there is no way out of this deadlock. request
  45. kan123
    kan123 April 27 2018 14: 41
    0
    They will not take off - Mriya is a museum, an exhibition of the achievements of the national economy - its engines are on fire - the Americans would still have Nigerian airlines hire them to transport junk.
  46. skaramaks27
    skaramaks27 April 27 2018 15: 35
    0
    dear colleagues, and these "litaks" ... as if to ask more clearly .... well, they can fall .. AND KHRISHING ABOUT THE EARTH MATUSHA!
  47. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice April 27 2018 16: 28
    0
    Quote: Kasym
    Ask the Russian Kazakhstanis who are present on the site.
    Nationalism is everywhere, but we have it more in the kitchen.

    Russians, including me, built the city of Aktau. Under the Soviet Union, 90 percent of Russians lived in the city. Now 10 percent of Russian if typed. There are those who have nowhere to go. If everything is so good in Kazakhstan, why did the Russians leave?
  48. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice April 27 2018 16: 34
    0
    Quote: Kasym
    We have Russians and others who know Kazakh Kazakhs in their arms.

    Lying.
    And in Russia, Kazakhs and others who know Russian wearing Russian in their arms :)
  49. Kasym
    Kasym April 27 2018 16: 52
    +1
    Krasnoyarsk,
    You did not understand anything.
    Example. In Almaty, under the Kazakh SSR, there was only one Kazakh school per million city. In the end, came to the December events in 86 .. It is impossible. This is an inflection.
    Ukraine will not be here. Go to the ANC website. And let's end here, because after I propose to go to this site everyone freezes - you don’t have that .. Everything is in order with the logic - cand. Phys.-Math of Sciences, with good experience teaching at the university .. At the expense of his daughter did not understand anything. Knowledge of languages ​​opens up more opportunities for the child. hi
    Read what Varyagu wrote - he has a different nickname. On this thread, there I from the "other side" explained.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym April 27 2018 17: 08
      +1
      Sorry, confused. I have already been here for two dozen comments.
      Impostor today at 16.38
      What a pity that the fellow countrymen disappeared - I was tired of answering.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 27 2018 19: 10
      0
      Quote: Kasym

      Example. In Almaty, under the Kazakh SSR, there was only one Kazakh school per million city. In the end, came to the December events in 86 .. It is impossible. This is an inflection.

      Who would argue, I will not. At least about one school, it is somehow doubtful. I’ll certainly go to the site, get acquainted. My relatives do not live in Kaz. I would like to predict their possible future. To account -
      Quote: Kasym
      Everything is in order with logic - cand. physical sciences,
      Do not be offended, but this does not mean anything, in this case. Remember Academician Sakharov and his draft constitution for the “updated” Union. Bullshit and the complete lack of logic. But after all - the academician !!!
      Quote: Kasym
      My daughter didn’t understand anything. Knowledge of languages ​​opens up more opportunities for the child. hi
      And here I completely agree with you! The only question is what language to learn. Why didn’t your daughter learn, say, the Evenki or Chukchi language, with all due respect to both of us? Because knowledge of their language would not give anything to your daughter, in the sense of intellectual development and material benefits. But he gave knowledge of English, and you yourself pointed it out. Although you yourself did not understand why English, not Chuvash. But you yourself persistently advocate that the Russians MANDATORY (!!!) study Tuvan, Chukchi, Tatar, Chechen, etc., etc., etc. languages. Without even asking a question, what knowledge of these languages ​​will give Russian intellectually and materially? Nothing!!! Well, except that, knowing the local language, it’s cheaper to bargain a bunch of radishes for a ruble from a local resident. No offense, Dauren, you are afraid to face the truth. If not for the titanic efforts of the Sov. Authorities to preserve the languages ​​of small nations, they would have died. As unnecessary.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym April 27 2018 20: 26
        +1
        Secondary school No. 12 in Almaty. The language reason is one of those that pushed students to the events of 86 ..
        Ukraine. Logics. It all started with the abolition (prohibition) of the Russian language - this is true. An example of a short circuit is what I wrote. All this means one thing: you should not touch the languages ​​of the peoples of your country. I am even convinced that the authorities should enable them to develop and increase knowledge at the expense of their population in order to culturally enrich the traditions and customs of all peoples. Then there will be ONE peoples of this or that country. What then may be a claim by language. Well, imagine that you know Tatar - it’s easier for you to communicate with people in the outback, there you will be yours, and not on someone else's plate. That's all.
        Small nations. Logics. Why can not they develop in their nat. borders - their weak point in the number of indigenous people - look in the search engine for their number (some count to thousands) - you can lose them, lose a particle of your culture (language, as part of it). What to do? Can it cost the entire population of these territories to somehow attach to this learning language? You look from their point of view (how many times I call)! You didn’t like it when Kiev began its run over to the Russian language - take care of the languages ​​and culture of your small peoples. Russian, like other nationalities, will never say that he is of a different nationality and moreover will not trample against his own. But you will have your own everywhere. End terror very quickly and will always be on the “stream”.
        What happens if a Russian girl in Kazan starts singing in Tatar - ask, Tat, my friend. I know that. Here we have Nyusha with our star (Kairat Nurtas) sang a song - "her" immediately became - find in a search engine, if interested. And my daughter - she "hit" the music. He does not know in his 22 difference between a Mercedes and a Lada. A pianist is a graduate, but here’s a classic ... We don’t have universities in pop music - I had to go to English from 11 years old (my wife insisted I had no idea about their aspirations) - cursed that they decided to go to the “conservatory” in London and Boston , ours is not worse - everything was revealed when the songs went. That is, she began to learn English in order to enter prof. University, which we do not have. We had no idea what would get hooked. But it happened (he works with several producers, writes and composes on his own - otherwise nobody needs it there - this is show business). And if not? Why is she here in English? Actually, I gave her example as a person with three languages ​​and that she has more opportunities than her peers for this reason. And not earnings, etc. .. I know what happens when parents see in their child only a person of some specialty. We have given free rein. In our family, in fact, there are none - entirely teachers (math., Phys., Chem., Doctors).
        I do not turn a blind eye to the heritage of the Union, but wish development (culture, as a science). Once the Union has preserved, then we have no right to lose all this. The more languages ​​a person knows, the more "competitive" he is - this is intellectual development, isn’t that so ?!
        And about "obligatory" - you do not understand this. Are you using all school subjects? No need God with him! But who "hooks" - will become a kind of conductors. That’s the whole logic. We learned to jump over the goat at school - everyone needed it in life! I hope my logic is clear. hi
        And about the ANC, go for the principle. This living organization is developing rapidly. She will impose VETO on any law that will be against the interethnic. consent in KZ - she has such a right. She made laws against anything like that. Banned parties, organizations, social movements in nat., Rel., Language. etc. featured besides diaspora communities. By the way, take an interest in the number of state. lang in Switzerland - you can be stunned, but they live in peace and harmony. This is an example.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk April 29 2018 22: 37
          0
          [quote = Kasym]
          Ukraine. Logics. It all started with the abolition (prohibition) of the Russian language - this is true. . [/ quote]
          Logics? Where? You? You cited Ukraine as an example, with its persecution of the Russian language. In Tatarstan, since we are talking about it, is there persecution of the Tatar language?
          [quote = Kasym],. All this means one thing: you can’t touch the languages ​​of the peoples of your country [/ quote]
          In the Russian Federation at least one language of the peoples of the Russian Federation is prohibited? Not? - Not. Then what are these words for?
          [quote = Kasym]. I am even convinced that the authorities should enable them to develop and increase knowledge at the expense of their population in order to culturally enrich the traditions and customs of all peoples. Then there will be ONE [/ quote]
          Give me an example in which the authorities DO NOT give the opportunity to develop them (languages). The second part of the phrase is not entirely clear to me - "... and increase knowledge (languages, as I understand it) at the expense of its population. Is it like your population? At the expense of the entire population of Tatarstan? And at the expense of the Russians living there, sorry? but what do I care about the Tatar language? Why should I develop it? I don’t demand, and don’t even ask you to develop my language. Moreover, I will categorically against it. This is the matter of the Tatars themselves. It is forbidden by the Tatars themselves to study it at least 7 times a week, to expel Russisms, Anglicisms, and other isms from their language.
          [quote = Kasym], ... to culturally enrich the traditions and customs of all peoples. Then there will be ONE [/ quote]
          Beautiful but empty words. How can the traditions and customs of the Tatars enrich me? Enrich is how? Should I start living according to the customs and traditions of the Tatars? And forget your own? You, please forgive me, in your mind?
          [quote = Kasym] You can lose them, lose a particle of your culture (language, as part of it). What to do? Can it cost the entire population of these territories to somehow attach to this learning language? You with their [/ quote
          What, what culture? Mine? If, for example, the Tatar language disappears, with what fright will a part of Russian culture disappear? Part of the general culture of the Russian Federation, yes, but not Russian culture.
          [quote = Kasym] thousands) What to do? Can it cost the entire population of these territories to somehow attach to this learning language? [/ quote] That is it is NECESSARY to Russian to save and develop nat. languages ​​of the peoples of the Russian Federation? Do you want that? And again, Russian, something everyone should !!! Bravo! Wisely!
          [quote = Kasym] You look from their point of view (how many times I call)! [/ quote]
          And from the point of view of the Russians, who are impudently imposed on them to study a language that they do not need, is it not fate to look? Why only Russians should look from some other, but in no case from their own point of view ?!
          [quote = Kasym] x point of view look (how many times I call)! You didn’t like it when Kiev began its run over to the Russian language - take care of the languages ​​and culture of your small peoples. Russian, like others [/ quote]
          [quote = Kasym] x point of view look (how many times I call)! You didn’t like it when Kiev began its run over to the Russian language - take care of the languages ​​and culture of your small peoples. Russian, like others [/ quote]
      2. Kasym
        Kasym April 27 2018 21: 25
        +1
        Krasnoyarsk. Do you think a Russian who knows the Tatar language can become the president of Tatarstan? And whether this knowledge will help to go up the career ladder in the state. bodies? Here is my logic, so to speak. hi drinks See you on the site.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk April 30 2018 12: 10
          0
          Quote: Kasym
          Krasnoyarsk. Do you think a Russian who knows the Tatar language can become the president of Tatarstan? And whether this knowledge will help to go up the career ladder in the state. bodies? Here is my logic, so to speak. hi drinks See you on the site.

          And again, your logic is limping on both legs. I have already given you an example with the premieres of Ukraine. At the premiere of Azarov, I spent on my family 160 hryvnias per month for bread. Azarov did not know the Ukrainian language. Prime Groysman, who replaced Azarov, is fluent in the Ukrainian language, but I already spend 600 hryvnias a month on the same bread. Feel the difference.
          If the Tatars are guided by the fact that the candidate must know the Tatar language when choosing their leading person, the flag is in their hands. It is a pity only representatives of other nationalities living in Tatarstan. Indeed, in this case, the law of the barracks applies - it stinks, everyone sniffs.
          Do not step on a nationalist rake. A person should go up the career ladder only on the basis of his professionalism and organizational abilities, but not on the basis of his knowledge of the local language. This is my logic!
  50. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice April 27 2018 17: 00
    +1
    Quote: Kasym
    Well, what is wrong, that the Russians in Tatarstan will know Tatar, because they know Russian - this is a sign of respect.

    So silly!
    Language is a means of communication. It is foolish to learn a language just to be respected.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym April 27 2018 21: 02
      +1
      If Russian in Tatarstan knows Tatar, will it be easier for him to go up the career ladder (for example, public service) or not? It is logical! So it’s silly for you to learn the local language. hi