On the basis of Hamim, they noticed the Tor-M2 air defense missile system. Combat Inspection

At the Russian airbase Khmeimim in the Syrian province of Latakia for the first time noticed the air defense complex "Tor-M2". Attention to the photo, published in Livejournal, drew the military blog bmpd, which is maintained by the staff of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

The picture shows the 9A331M combat vehicle. As the authors of the blog note, there was no information that the Russian group in Syria has an anti-aircraft missile system (ZRK) of the Tor family before it was armed.

In the comments to the photo suggested that the "Thor" was taken to Syria for testing in combat conditions.

Tor-M2 is capable of independently detecting, tracking and shooting down targets in an area up to 15 kilometers in range and up to 10 in height. This modification is equipped with 16 missiles, ammunition is characterized by increased accuracy and an expanded affected area. The system response time is 4,8 seconds, at the same time it can fire at four targets.

Comments

[210ox]

Check "Tor" must be. This is one of the pillars of our military air defense.

[Logall]

We need to persuade the "partners" to send a couple of attack aircraft to this area ...

[User]

What for? To then express concern? Aviation of "partners" is doing what it wants, it is time to understand this for so much time.

[vorobey]

Quote: User

Aviation of "partners" is doing what it wants, it is time to understand this for so much time.

are there facts or is it just ... to talk ..?

[User]

Seriously? From the very beginning, there was talk of a no-fly zone, and coalition aviation ironed the SAR troops here and there. For all time, only rockets and drones of artisanal production were intercepted. For one reason or another, the aviation of the “partners” remains untouched. In my opinion, there were enough opportunities, but with a desire a question. For example, the Turks wanted and the result is known to all. Do you have facts of downed US aircraft in Syria? I will listen to them with pleasure.
I am not writing this for joy and not mocking. Just throwing caps and “inviting” attack aircraft in this situation seems unreasonable.

[vorobey]

Quote: User

Do you have facts of downed US aircraft in Syria? I'll gladly have a look.

From the United States until recently, there was an agreement on flights there while they carried out an operation in cancer .. now how efficiently and much they fly ... therefore there are no American ones .. but there are Israeli ones ..

why are you all in one pile getting in the way .. raise the dust ..

and you just read the art of war Sun Tzu ... and that’s all ... now they have quieted down everything .. stealthily leashb then a drone or a racket and that’s all ... that means there were falling tomahawks ..

[Hire]

In the comments to the photo suggested that the "Thor" was taken to Syria for testing in combat conditions.

I doubt it. Its capabilities have long been known and mastered. Just satiated with air defense. Well, the calculations give you the opportunity to practice ...

[hrych]

Quote: vorobey

but there are Israeli ..

They do not violate the airspace of Syria, they do not even shoot from their territory, from Lebanon because of the Antilivan ridge. Very tricky

Quote: vorobey

you just read the art of war Sun Tzu ..

Do not read Iskander ̶с̶о̶в̶е̶т̶с̶к̶и̶х̶ Maoist newspapers ... Here Suvorov and Ushakov did not read Sun and conquered a vast Empire, having separated lands from other Empires. Neither Cyrus the Great read, neither Macedonian nor Caesar. Even Napoleon did not deign a wretch. But the Chinese read it and beat them all, and the history of the Han is the history of the slaves of the Jurchen, Magol, Manchurian and Japanese. Even the Viet Cong and then the Chinese piled on.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: User

Do you have facts of downed US aircraft in Syria? I will listen to them with pleasure.

In order to avoid clashes between the aviation of the Russian Federation and the USA, an agreement was reached on the separation of zones of responsibility.
At one time, Americans with allies along the border of the zones bit the Syrians. But after covering the borders of their zone with fighters of the Russian Federation, this disgrace stopped.

[Hire]

Quote: User

coalition ironed the SAR and here and there

Are these all the facts? Tongue grinding do not carry bags. Understand. Can you even imagine where the no-fly zones are? Or can you tell us about arrangements with amers? You, after all, probably took a lively part in them. Go plant potatoes, "analyst."

[Don]

If an opponent begins to be rude in a dispute, then he understands his wrongness

[Hire]

Quote: Donskoy

If an opponent begins to be rude in a dispute, then he understands his wrongness

If a person does not understand the meaning of the word "rudeness", he is better off not speaking out.

[hrych]

Quote: Hire

If a person does not understand the meaning of the word "rudeness", he is better off not speaking out.

He did not go to school yet that Khamity is an outdated term that was used in linguistics and Africanism to refer to peoples speaking "Hamitic languages" (currently belong to the Afrasian language family). In the photo, a representative of the Bisharin tribe as a person with "classical rude features" (illustration from the book of Augustus Henry)

But nothing, the school curriculum is suitable, it will be understood ... although it is unlikely.

[koramax81]

Everyone is so smart ..... No problem knocking someone else's plane. At the same time and play the third world. "What, right now, we will pile on them!" The West is doing everything to provoke Russia, and then they say-Russia is an aggressor. And it started ... At best, a complete embargo.
Clever mind without any responsibility

[Romario_Argo]

in the photo to the article is really Tor based on Khimki in Syria
Thor-M2 with BK 16 SAM

[Geisenberg]

Quote: User

What for? To then express concern? Aviation of "partners" is doing what it wants, it is time to understand this for so much time.

In order to then show the wreckage of attack aircraft in the Kremlin. Che so slow-witted?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Geisenberg

In order to then show the wreckage of attack aircraft in the Kremlin

if they wanted to, they would have shown it long ago. There were more than enough opportunities.
Desire is a thousand possibilities, and unwillingness is a thousand reasons (s)

[vorobey]

Quote: 210ox

Check "Tor" must be. This is one of the pillars of our military air defense.

the aerosol sat ... to the shells, the tori also noticed ... I offered the trump PR manager. to Rosoboronexport ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: 210ox

The picture shows the 9A331M combat vehicle. As the authors of the blog note, there was no information that the Russian group in Syria has an anti-aircraft missile system (ZRK) of the Tor family before it was armed.

As I have said more than once, first you need to saturate Syria with Torah and Bukami, and, if possible, with Shells, in order to transfer the S-300 there. And axes are just this specialization of the TOPs.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: 210ox

Check "Tor" must be. This is one of the pillars of our military air defense

"Thor" has long been tested and its capabilities are well known and repeatedly proven. Dragged to strengthen air defense - "Tor" is more optimal for repulsing a massive attack of UAVs and missiles than "Shell"

[impostor]

Will they introduce A2 / AD?

[Ingvar 72]

That is unlikely.

[impostor]

The 2018 World Cup will ever begin and end, right?

[Ingvar 72]

It's not just about the World Cup. Closing the sky 100% will entail provocations, and we will need to answer them, because in the event of another non-response it will be ridiculous. But if we really hit someone’s plane, then in Syria there will be an analogue of Korea. But without a common border. Those. There will be almost no logistics, because Turkey will close the straits 100%, despite graters from the United States. And what do you think will last long enough missiles for air defense systems and other ammunition? In our General Staff they understand the same thing, and they will not go to confrontation.

[impostor]

Straits are not the only way. Ayatollahs will definitely provide us with the “knife” in Hamadan. As for the sky on fire, this time the mattresses will not have a land shoulder in the form of 38 parallel

[Ingvar 72]

Iran does not have a common border with Syria. As for the 38th parallel, Israel is an ally of the United States, Turkey is a member of NATO, Jordan is also a henpecked US. Accordingly, they still have a land shoulder. So with a serious batch, ours will not last long there.
I think you need to make a knight move after World Cup 18 in another place - in Ukraine.

[impostor]

Americans have not been counting on the land component for a long time. On the elect of God and Jordan - even more so. Their trump card is to adjust the AUG to an acceptable distance, try to suppress air defense and hammer it with axes. The groundwork for the reflection of a very large fan of axes is possible to create. It simply will inevitably result in the liquidation of the retinue first and then of Truman himself in the Middle East, which will inevitably lead to a nuclear conflict. Let's get together at 404

[Kasym]

They have enough aircraft at 5 air bases nearby without the AUG. Enough ammunition to drive.

[cariperpaint]

why not? the composition there is now just about gathered. although I don’t know if there are sparks or not

[vorobey]

Quote: cariperpaint

why not? the composition there is now just about gathered. although I don’t know if there are sparks or not

Shoigu told what is .. and used. even here on the VO article was ..

[Livonetc]

Quote: 210ox

Check "Tor" must be. This is one of the pillars of our military air defense.

Now our friends from Israel will inform the authorities.
Provide verification.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Livonetc

Now our friends from Israel will inform the authorities.

Our TORs are not so annoying to the Israelis, as well as the BUKs ... of course, when an Israeli fighter is flying into Syria, these complexes are capable of sticking it into the ground, but recent cases of Israeli attacks indicate that Jews are hitting from Lebanon, where to reach neither the TORAM nor the Bukam.
The Israelis are very annoyed by the deployment of the S-300 near their borders, which allows the Syrians to monitor the work of the Israeli Air Force.

[_Jack_]

why won't Buk-M3 be put there? him there is the place

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: _Jack_

why won't Buk-M3 be put there?

Such messages flashed from Israel, but then everything immediately fell silent, or fake, or agreed.

[_Jack_]

Rather, to fake Israel and Russia, I doubt that we would have shot down an Israeli plane, and it’s difficult to hide air defense there, pictures would have already appeared on the network

[hrych]

Quote: _Jack_

Rather, to fake Israel and Russia, I doubt that we would have shot down an Israeli plane, and it’s difficult to hide air defense there, pictures would have already appeared on the network

The complexes are mobile, shot back and changed position, this is their trick. Satellites take off with a delay, it is impossible to track all targets, there is camouflage, there is shelter, there are false targets. Not as simple as it seems. During the second Lebanese, when Hezbollah piled on Tsahalu, over whose positions drones were constantly hanging, the Lebanese managed to launch a multiple launch rocket launcher in Israeli cities and flush away.

[tchoni]

and this is correct !!! It's time to arrange a competition between the torus and the shell.

[Mestny]

Both cars are good until the ammunition is used up.
Do Thor rockets launch vertically? He is extremely short of cassette charging. That would have a container with 15 missiles on the side pushed TZM - and all. And so the reload time is quite large, one shove.
The Shell is in this sense even worse, the recharge time is much longer.
Thor in terms of the number of missiles ready for battle is preferable to Shell - 15 versus 12.
Well, the reaction time to goals from different directions should be less, since the vertical start.
And in general, Thor has fewer heavy structural elements protruding in different directions - less reason to get loose when moving

[Wedmak]

This TOP 16 rocket has two cassettes loaded vertically. Horizontally there is no way to write for the shoulder strap of the tower. The whole thing loads in a few minutes.
And those and others usually work in groups, and not alone. So the enemy will suffer significant losses even before the ammunition of all vehicles is used up. Yes, and work in conjunction with C-300 / 400. And then BUKI still connect.
So who wants to know from experience when this bunch will run out of rockets? Do not forget the guns of the Shell as well.

[vorobey]

Quote: Wedmak

So who wants to know from experience when this bunch will run out of rockets?

[Zaurbek]

For complete control of the situation we need balloons with decent radar in decent quantities and small airborne warning systems. Then all AOI movements will be detected in advance, as will the flying KR. But this is not even in the Russian Federation yet.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Zaurbek

For complete control of the situation we need balloons with decent radar in decent quantities and small airborne warning systems. Then all AOI movements will be detected in advance, as will the flying KR. But this is not even in the Russian Federation yet.

Apparently also anti-aircraft calculations with machine guns on the ...

[Ingvar 72]

In vain exaggerate. Jews have “Status” air defense balloons, and they greatly facilitate airspace control.

[vorobey]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In vain exaggerate. Jews have “Status” air defense balloons, and they greatly facilitate airspace control.

we also have balloons ...

[Zaurbek]

... and reduce the cost of this business in comparison with the AWACS.

[Awaz]

I saw a report from Syrian television and there were just different air defense systems showing, in the meantime I saw a map on the monitor, probably what they can control there. I am not a great specialist, but they and Lebanon and Israel see there and part of the Mediterranean Sea. Cyprus really is not visible. It is clear that from the air you can see better and further, but judging by the map, they see quite a decent territory ..

[Grigory_45]

Quote: AwaZ

It is clear that from the air you can see better and further, but judging by the map, they see quite decent territory

they see this territory regarding highly flying targets. Should the plane cuddle up to the ground or it will be an “ax” - that's it, a radio horizon and no further - and this is in an ideal scenario of 20-25 kilometers. This is good for the "flying radar", which he sees far, incl. low flying

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Zaurbek

For complete control of the situation we need balloons with decent radar in decent quantities and small airborne warning systems. Then all AOI movements will be detected in advance, as will the flying KR. But this is not even in the Russian Federation yet.

It’s a mystery for me why they don’t use airships as a platform for air defense radars and infrared stations?
For object defense it is much cheaper than AWACS aircraft. Without them, Damascus cannot be reliably protected from attacks by Lebanon.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

It’s a mystery for me why they don’t use airships as a platform for air defense radars and infrared stations?

And who said they did not use? Here is a mobile tethered balloon surveillance system in Khmeimim:

© Aerial observation balloon used by the Russian contingent at the Khmeimim airbase (Syria). Oleg the Terrible / "Red Star"

[Grigory_45]

you yourself write:

Quote: Alexey RA

balloon complex CCTV

If there was another radar on it, there would be no price for such a balloon. And just a flying camera is good, but .. not for air defense

[Zaurbek]

These are the rudiments of such systems. Here the most difficult thing is not an aerostat, but optics and an AFAR. this is the backlog.

[Samara_63]

Something tells me that it was not Syrian calculations that shot down the Kyrgyz Republic, but ours ... Such a battle must be able to withstand psychologically and mentally ...

[kventinasd]

Eh, if I could, on occasion, according to the adversaries

[Zomanus]

Yes, verification will be required.
At least detection and taking for escort.
Syrians would have to throw air defense systems from storage depots.
Although I think that there, without this, they prepared for new raids.