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Is F-35 to blame for the failure of the FGFA project?

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Information about New Delhi’s lack of interest in implementing the joint FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) project with the Russian Federation, involving the creation of the first Indian 57 fighter on the basis of Su-5, is a stuffing organized by American corporations, reports Lenta.ru report statement of the chief editor of the magazine "National Defense" Igor Korotchenko.




Vzbory about indifference of India in the project to create a fifth-generation fighter FGFA together with Russia can be regarded as a manifestation of unfair competition from US aviation corporations - Lockheed Martin and Boeing,
said Korotchenko.

He noted that “today there is a purposeful campaign against Russian-Indian military technical cooperation, given that the US is actively promoting the latest versions of its combat aircraft to the Indian market” and plans to continue “to supply fifth-generation fighter jets to Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

Earlier, Western media reported that the curtailment of the FGFA program could threaten Russia's plans for the serial production of the Su-57 fighter, since Moscow saw the partnership with India as the main source of funding for its fighter project.

Recall that in April, the Janes edition, citing Indian officials, reported that India had suspended cooperation with Russia on the FGFA project. The publication also noted that the Indian side notified Moscow about this.
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  1. _Jack_
    _Jack_ April 26 2018 12: 28
    +5
    that information was stuffing or this is still unclear - where are the official statements of India on this issue?
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 26 2018 12: 30
      +5
      There is no official, as one would expect. Unverified data, so to speak.
      Quote: _Jack_
      that information was stuffing or this is still unclear - where are the official statements of India on this issue?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 26 2018 12: 36
        +9
        Quote: 210ox
        New
        There is no official, as one would expect. Unverified data, so to speak.

        but the Indians here have been cheated the other day by who
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 26 2018 13: 09
          +3
          Well, in fact, they themselves arranged a circus with this. this camomile left them sideways. although how personally I think they will simply exit the program and just be ready to buy 57. They will not be given the technology and it makes sense then to invest yards of money?
        2. Orkraider
          Orkraider April 26 2018 14: 43
          +5
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: 210ox
          New
          There is no official, as one would expect. Unverified data, so to speak.

          but the Indians here have been cheated the other day by who

          Good day to all. If, in matters related to a particular business, one begins to weave a personal attitude to this business from a side that has nothing to do with this business, then this business cannot be, since it will not be able to take place with such an approach. As, for example, Russia is completely violet, like on forums in Vietnam, some sort of abstract Vietnamese called the Zelenodolsky worker and other Russian workers hard-faced monkeys :) If only the advance was listed. Or you can imagine, for example, how the Russian side declares to the German Siemens: at your forum of turbinists, just now, they discussed the delivery of gas turbine engines to the Perm state district power station, and called us krivoruki drunkards. All, leave yourself an advance, we do not need turbines. We can do without her. We’ll go to ALSTOM and buy from them, they don’t call names on the forums at us, and in general they love us dearly))))))))))))))))
          In general, I think this is their ornate approach to trade. Hence all this. They are heavy customers, but in my opinion, for today, we do not care. The main stages of the tests passed, and add. money is no longer so relevant. Will be - well, production will be cheaper. They won’t be - it’s good, except for them, no one will pull money for money, and technology will not go left ... IMHO, of course.
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 26 2018 12: 41
        +7
        involving the creation of the first 57th generation Indian fighter based on the Su-5, is a throw-in organized by American corporations,

        It’s not without reason that the "comrades from Israel" are so joyful that they have unbelted (they have a share there))) .. Like, we don’t respect the Indians, etc.
        We respect India and wish them good and protection, this is our credo with the Russians always has been and will be ..! Russia is not a merchant, we are defenders ..
        If the Indians want no one to touch or threaten them ... Make friends with the Russians! And you will be happy, believe us. We have already studied ALL of them! he he soldier
    2. arhPavel
      arhPavel April 26 2018 12: 37
      0
      If work is ongoing, then why get distracted and make excuses for every yellow newspaper?
      And then, like tamahawks, they will blow to the last that it is not possible. Until the photos are shown. No one attracts them for lying. So they sell it ..
    3. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 26 2018 12: 38
      +2
      Quote: _Jack_
      that information was stuffing or this is still unclear - where are the official statements of India on this issue?
      This “stuffing” of Indians suits, otherwise they would have disproved ...
      Is F-35 to blame for the failure of the FGFA project?
      On this occasion, I will say that how can someone else be blamed for making their own decisions? In extreme cases, the level of corruption of the Indians is uniquely to blame ... request
    4. forester
      forester April 26 2018 13: 10
      0
      Quote: _Jack_
      that information was stuffing or this is still unclear - where are the official statements of India on this issue?

      And it doesn’t matter, I think. Everything is simple - and Vaska listens, but eats. hi
    5. Muvka
      Muvka April 26 2018 13: 45
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      Quote: _Jack_
      that information was stuffing or this is still unclear - where are the official statements of India on this issue?

      Well, purely logical, the official information that India was part of the project was. But there wasn’t any way out. Well, everyone can conclude for themselves what is a stuffing.
      1. _Jack_
        _Jack_ April 26 2018 13: 57
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        on the one hand, yes, on the other hand, this news is broadcast all over the world, and India is in no hurry to refute it, although it would seem that it is not at all difficult for them to do, hence different assumptions, in any case we are waiting for an official statement
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 26 2018 12: 29
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    Recall that in April, the Janes edition, citing Indian officials, reported that India had suspended cooperation with Russia on the FGFA project. The publication also noted that the Indian side notified Moscow about this.

    So guess now ... Indians will participate in the project, will not they? request
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 April 26 2018 12: 34
      +5
      But We are waiting for - a whole series of fascinating articles on this topic! yes
      1. just exp
        just exp April 26 2018 12: 51
        +2
        Well, only on this subject can a whole portal be made, where there will be only news devoted to what Indians think about fgfa
        Hindu refused to fafa.
        Indians pondered FGF
        Indians decided to return to FGF
        Indians decided not to return to FGF
        Indians meditate on the subject of FGF
        Indians .... another 84351 variation on the topic what other thoughts the Indians might have.
    2. kit88
      kit88 April 26 2018 12: 40
      +1
      Why guess?
      Whoever needs it will pick up the phone and ring the Indians.
  3. Chichikov
    Chichikov April 26 2018 12: 29
    +1
    Some believe that what they were offered tomorrow they needed, yesterday! Slowly harness, slowly - but let's go!
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik April 26 2018 12: 40
      +3
      Quote: Chichikov
      Some believe that what they were offered tomorrow they needed, yesterday! Slowly harness, slowly - but let's go!

      In my opinion, the failed marketing policy with the SU-57 itself is to blame, these are constant high-profile statements and subsequent postponements, various serial lots announced, more or less torment with an engine, where the second stage does not smell, etc. All together, this creates the impression that he and the Russian Federation are not really needed, the same is the case with Armata.
  4. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 26 2018 12: 32
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    Russia will not lose its face in any way. The cunning Indians want technology, the arrogant Indians ... ... the Americans want to fly their F-35 ..... The Russian Federation already has a Su-57 (you can say), but the Indians will have to choose between a real 5th generation airplane, or PR-invisible aircraft .........
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 April 26 2018 13: 02
      0
      All the same, India has no choice if they want to get the 5th generation. They will puff, but invest in a joint project.
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 26 2018 14: 51
        0
        they both want to receive, and not to share a fish wink
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 26 2018 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      .U RF Su-57 already has (you can say)

      No, we still do not have SU-57. Product 30 will be tested in two years. The entire arsenal has not been tested. Therefore, we only send a test batch of 12 cars to the troops and then, with product 117.
      And the Indians need a spark, and the transfer of production (the whole cycle) to their territory. In order to create a spark, we need an already tested aircraft with the whole range of weapons, new engines, radar, and so on ...
      And there is no talk at all about the transfer of production and technology to India. That is why Indians do not sign a contract.
      1. ML-334
        ML-334 April 26 2018 15: 19
        +1
        In my opinion, you need to drop a couple of f35s, whose I think everyone here guesses as a result of which we omit two beautiful countries, of course the Syrians.
  5. Altona
    Altona April 26 2018 12: 33
    +1
    Quote: Chichikov
    Some believe that what they were offered tomorrow they needed, yesterday! Slowly harness, slowly - but let's go!

    --------------------------
    Hindus, it seems, said that Lightning-2 would cost them more, since it was necessary to build an entire infrastructure under it.
  6. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 26 2018 12: 36
    0
    and we have immediately Indians began to fool our local linear experts after the news.
  7. impostor
    impostor April 26 2018 12: 36
    +1
    India will certainly return to the Russian project, but Uncle Vova’s first offer is always the best. On the second approach, you have to fork out more seriously.
  8. X Y Z
    X Y Z April 26 2018 12: 52
    0
    And India, as expected, did not respond to the stuffing, because it is very useful to her in terms of crushing Moscow.
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 26 2018 12: 59
    0
    Until Su57 flies in our army, as F-35 is now, there will be no normal export. Another thing is that the Hindus (as in the case of the Su-30MKI) could have some technology. And heavy (namely heavy) fighters of India are needed just like the Russian Federation due to the territory and the ocean around and no light / medium fighter will replace it. And this is either F-15/22, or Su-30/35/57 and that's it.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 26 2018 14: 52
      0
      in Russia it flies once there is such an index, and even flew to Syria
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 26 2018 14: 56
        0
        For comparison, the Su-27 and Su-27 (UB) have flown and served with might and main. in the 90s, so the Indians invested in modernization. And then a new plane with unclear indicators, moreover, on the units of the Su-35S ....
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 26 2018 15: 40
          +1
          Su-30 is not a modernization of the Su-27
          if some units are compatible and they have a Su-35S then this is only a plus
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 27 2018 09: 32
            0
            Su-30 is the first major modernization, Su-35 is the second major modernization of the T-10
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 09: 44
              0
              different aircraft in similar form, especially the Su-30
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 27 2018 09: 46
                0
                The most modified version is the Su-35S ....
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 09: 53
                  0
                  then the most modified - Su-34 lol
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek April 27 2018 10: 58
                    0
                    Yes, but we are considering fighters. Single and spark.
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 11: 04
                      0
                      and this one too
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 27 2018 11: 07
                        0
                        Then compare its power plant and find similarities with the Su-27 ...
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 27 2018 09: 50
                0
                A commercial version of a two-seat fighter-interceptor based on the Su-27UB with in-flight refueling systems and satellite navigation (GPS, GLONASS). The first flight is 1993. Engines - AL-31F. The limited internal volume of the aircraft does not allow to place all the equipment on board, which entails the placement of part of the equipment in containers at the external nodes of the suspension. These include laser ranging and targeting systems for the use of guided weapons with laser seekers and thermal imaging systems for detecting targets in the infrared range, which allows working at night and in difficult weather conditions. The aircraft is equipped with ejection seats K-36DM, installed with an inclination of 30 °. According to its combat characteristics, the Su-30K can additionally use high-precision guided air-to-surface weapons with a launch range of up to 250 km for sea and ground targets. A wide range of weapons, the ability not only to conduct air combat, but also to attack land and sea targets. The Su-30K got the opportunity to additionally use high-precision tactical air-to-surface weapons - X-31A anti-ship missiles, X-31P anti-aircraft missiles, X-59M long-range television missiles and X-29T short-range missiles, KAB-500 and KAB-1500. At the same time, the efficiency of solving the problem of gaining superiority in the air through the use of missiles with AGSN RVV-AE was increased.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 09: 52
                  0
                  on a glider another plane and was issued elsewhere
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek April 27 2018 10: 59
                    0
                    Su-30 is in the same place as Su-27UB, Su-35S is in the same place as Su-27 ...
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 11: 06
                      0
                      in general, the Su-30 is not in the same place as the Su-27 and Su-35S
                      the second cabin does not lead to such difficulties
                      the index is still not in vain another?
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 27 2018 11: 08
                        0
                        There is a certain equipment at the enterprises for one and two local options, it is different ... Even the Su-25 and Su-25UB were made in different enterprises.
                      2. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 27 2018 11: 14
                        0
                        In general, a bunch of ununified aircraft - Su-30/34/35. Really need a Su-35S and two local Su-35 (as the modernization of the Su-30go) and that's it. We get planes with the same systems and engines.
                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 11: 21
                      0
                      single Su-30 and Su-34 no
                      they are trying to unify everything
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 27 2018 11: 28
                        0
                        Su30 is already becoming obsolete ... at least in the power plant (it is even older on the Su-34), but you cannot put the AL-41 there. Su-35S is the newest version of the T-10 (there are a lot of things that can be used from the Su-57, without alterations.). The Su-34 is generally atavism, it can easily be replaced by a Su-30 with a hanging container (They do this in India).
                    3. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 11: 51
                      0
                      F-15 and F-15C are also very different due to engines, or fit another
                      in India, maybe it’s not as big as Russia
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 27 2018 12: 12
                        0
                        But they do not simultaneously stand on new airplanes and in parallel these options are not available and the same engine is on the F-16. We have on the Su-34 - 2 × turbofan AL-31F-M1
                        Su-30SM 2 × turbofan "AL-31F" (AL-31FP on the Su-30SM)
                        Su-35S 2x "AL-41F1S". And all this together with airplanes is issued in parallel ...
                    4. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 27 2018 15: 59
                      0
                      F-15 - Pratt & Whitney F100
                      F-16 - General Electric F110, (even different companies)
                      F-18 - General Electric F404,
                      F-22 - Pratt & Whitney F119
                      F-35A - Pratt & Whitney F135, I don't want to write about others
                      and Americans also have many different planes
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 27 2018 21: 16
                        0
                        These are different planes with different weights. All my examples here have an analogue -F-15 in different versions ... The F-16 has the same engine .... And the F22 and 35 are a new generation ... of which the F-35 replaces all strike airplanes (tactical). This is an example of unification!
                    5. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 06: 59
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                      any F-15 is not analogous even to the Su-27,
                      on F-15 and F-16, not only engines, but even the companies that make these engines are different
                      all of the above American aircraft are not the same
                      Americans have less unification
                      F-35 cannot replace even A-10
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 28 2018 08: 51
                        0
                        F-15, if not an analogue of the Su-27, then whom? And F-35 in the end is intended to replace everything ... and F-18 and A-10 and Harier and F-16
                    6. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 08: 59
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                      nobody, F-15 did with an eye on the MiG-25
                      yes, still F-14 lol not intended, it was an advertising move
                      he cannot replace any of this
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 28 2018 09: 50
                        0
                        The F-15 may have been done with caution, but it is not a high-speed, high-altitude specialized interceptor. This is a heavy universal fighter for gaining superiority in the air. What am I Su-27 and is not Mig = 25 in all versions. F-14 is closer to the topic, but also specialized. You forgot to mention the F-111, it was also replaced by the F-15E - the shock version of the F-15.
                    7. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 11: 06
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                      when they did the F-15, they looked back on the maneuverability of the MiG-25, he was forbidden to engage in maneuverable combat with the MiG-25 above 11000 lol
                      F-14 was the least specialized aircraft
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 28 2018 11: 09
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                        In all wars, fighters did not fight there ... The MiG-25 specializes in intercepting bombers and reconnaissance. And not "air superiority." F-15 and Su-27 can carry out MiG missions, they are maximally universal.
                    8. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 11: 16
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                      Because the F-15 before the advent of the AIM-120D simply evaded it and with its ceiling in 18000-20000 immediately went to the ground well below 11000.
                      The first MiG-25 victim, for example, in 1991 (shot down earlier) was the F-18.
                      F-14 Iran long-range MiG-25 could not get even once.
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 28 2018 13: 01
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                        90% of fighter fights were much lower. Altitudes 11000m are dangerous for shelling ... from the ground.
                    9. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 28 2018 13: 09
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                      did they themselves talk about it?
                      because they had nothing to catch because of the MiG-25 at higher altitudes
                      11tys more mustangs fought lol
                      that is, an F-15 or F-18 flew to itself, met the MiG-25, and immediately went down because it posed a threat from the ground? lol where a small radius SAM will get even better.
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 29 2018 22: 57
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                        Read about fighting in the air with Israel ...
                    10. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 23: 08
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                      it says something like that.
  10. Vard
    Vard April 26 2018 13: 01
    0
    Trusting people ... these Indians ... believe everything that is written on the fence ...
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 26 2018 13: 06
    +8
    An unofficial version of the Russian side is voiced.
    She is not very convincing, although there is a place to be.
    Lockheed really wants to sell fighter's production line to India
    F-16 (to transfer the plant from America). With all, all technologies.
    But no matter how the F-16 upgrade, it will not become the 5th generation.
    And with the F-35 is not so simple. They will not collect it on Indian soil -
    no such plans. They will not receive technology.
    The line at him is long. Even if the Indians are taken
    into it - it will take many years to receive the first aircraft.
    .
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 28 2018 11: 10
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      And the price of F-35 will be the same for India as for the countries participating in the program.
  12. viktor.
    viktor. April 26 2018 13: 09
    +2
    Knock down an Israeli chicken at 35 and everything will normalize.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 26 2018 14: 53
      0
      better Turkish, tomato from S-400 yes can Turkish under the guise of Israeli
  13. Larum
    Larum April 26 2018 13: 32
    +1
    Vparili fake, so that more and more chatted in the discussions ...
  14. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 26 2018 14: 01
    0
    It seems to me that the Idus are freely trading in secret information for us and for the Yankers.
  15. senima56
    senima56 April 26 2018 14: 54
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    There is nothing surprising: the F-35 Americans have long been in the series, but we are still “finishing” our SU-57 (and there is no end to this!) And the Indians need a plane now. What would you choose?
    1. quote
      quote April 26 2018 17: 09
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      Quote: senima56
      the Americans have F-35 for a long time in the series, but we are still “finishing” our SU-57 (and there is no end in sight!) And the Indians need a plane now. What would you choose?

      Have the Indians already been "attacked"? Or does time endure? And you're right, "dead" fu -35 in the series, the floor of the comedy series, "for any reason."
  16. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 26 2018 16: 04
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    Now, when the first Dryers go into the series, and begin to get up on the database, then let's see what everyone around will sing!