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New air defense and boilers. The first information about the modernization of "Admiral Kuznetsov" appeared

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There was a new information regarding the re-equipment of the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, who had risen to repair. The deputy commander-in-chief of the Navy, Viktor Bursuk, told journalists that the aircraft carrier will be equipped with new anti-aircraft missile systems Pantsir, as well as with new energy equipment.


New air defense and boilers. The first information about the modernization of "Admiral Kuznetsov" appeared


In May, work will already be started. Air defense will be improved. There will be delivered new complexes of marine execution "Pantsir". Change power equipment: new boilers, new pumps
- he said.

According to him, after the upgrade, by 2021, the ship should be operational.

The former chief of the General Staff of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Kravchenko, told Interfax on Monday that, in addition to the above, Admiral Kuznetsov would also receive a new weaponwithout specifying which one.

The ship will receive a new anti-ship attack weapons, new air defense systems. There will be a new aircraft landing system. He will still do good service
- Kravchenko reported.

Currently, the Russian Navy has only one aircraft carrier, or rather, a heavy aircraft carrier, the Admiral fleet Soviet Union Kuznetsov ", commissioned in 1991, back under the USSR.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 April 25 2018 15: 46
    +4
    finally.
    1. hrych
      hrych April 25 2018 17: 17
      +3
      Quote: burigaz2010
      finally

      Then why was the time of modernization and construction still shifting, weapons systems brought to mind, and rightly so. Moreover, as we understand it, some samples were so classified that the devices released by the Supreme surprised and puzzled so many, and the reaction, like those who recognized a deadly diagnosis. E. Kübler-Ross found that most of these patients go through five main stages of a psychological reaction:
      1. Denial or shock, 2. Anger, 3. Bargaining, 4. Depression, 5. Acceptance of the inevitable

      And colleague Alexey RA go to battle wassat We argued about replacing air defense systems, anti-aircraft defense systems and strike weapons, including the use of strategic missile defense systems in our, so to speak, expensive Kuze laughing
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT April 25 2018 19: 13
      0
      New boilers, it is interesting to develop new ones or deliver proven KVG 6M Boiler Units or their modifications? in any case, the work ahead is titanic, how many decks will have to be cut through?
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 25 2018 21: 53
        +4
        Quote: RASKAT
        KVG 6M boiler units or their modifications? ... the work to be titanic, how many decks will have to be cut?

        Answer: not one! The board is cut out, the boiler is removed in parts ... A new one is also “inserted” ...
        Ага. yes
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT April 26 2018 04: 23
          +1
          Answer: not one! The board is cut out, the boiler is removed in parts ... A new one is also “inserted” ...
          Yeah. yes

          Alexander well, you should at least have looked at the ship’s diagram before writing.
          Well, which board, on this ship are 8 boilers and 4 turbines. All this is spaced into different compartments, it stands below the waterline on the lowest deck, as it is not difficult to guess. There is no dry dock on the 35 Shipyard. So everything will go through the top. As in Vikramaditii during the repair.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 26 2018 11: 13
            +1
            Quote: RASKAT
            There is no dry dock at 35 shipyards.

            More precisely, there is a dock. Already with two cameras:
            North camera L = 179m, B = 22m, H = 14m;
            South camera L = 225m, B = 22m, H = 14m.

            But only 11435 will not fit into any of them.
            So, most likely, they will again connect the 82nd plant with its PD-50
            1. RASKAT
              RASKAT April 26 2018 13: 29
              0
              Yes, I do not argue, I just wanted to say that for sure, but not through the sides Boilers will get it. There are frames, plus armored belts, tortured to cut and then reinserted. Plus, it’s easier to take it out to the top than to drag it to the side.
              1. Baby sitter
                Baby sitter April 26 2018 22: 04
                0
                through the ventilation of the galley will change laughing
    3. Maz
      Maz April 25 2018 19: 48
      +2
      Meanwhile, with the help of the Minister of Defense and some kind of mother, our naval commanders were able to put Kuznetsov in repair.
      As Captain V. had foreseen, the development of the USC budget would be in Murmansk, where our most powerful floating ship PD-82 was gathering dust in the 50 plant, which Karl 12 had transferred to Peter 1 for reparations.
      (A joke. In fact, the Swedes under Olof Palma sold the Soviet power at an exorbitant price).
      In short, Captain V. suggests recalling our beloved aircraft carrier.
      This is his last “repair” of which if he comes out, then only for cutting.
      Well, about the fact that it would be possible to build a couple of modern units of the ocean zone on the "mastered" budget, we will keep silent.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 25 2018 19: 56
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        As Captain V. had foreseen, the development of the USC budget would be in Murmansk, where our most powerful floating ship PD-82 was gathering dust in the 50 plant, which Karl 12 had transferred to Peter 1 for reparations.
        In short, Captain V. suggests recalling our beloved aircraft carrier.

        I don’t know who Captain V. is. But a long trip to Syria showed that Kuza needs repairs.
        At the 82 plant, it was not under repair. But, given that this plant was constantly engaged in supporting repairs of ships based on Severomorsk and other bays and bays, the best solution, albeit half, can not be found today.
        Another "one" problem is the literacy of the staff / crew. It is there - "the field is not plowed."
      2. Conserp
        Conserp April 26 2018 11: 22
        0
        Quote: Maz
        This is his last “repair” of which if he comes out, then only for cutting.

        I see, the whole crowd of Svidomo came running on one training manual, and in the training manual - one chant.
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 25 2018 15: 48
    +3
    Unsuccessful project nevertheless .. Let's all agree! Well, they patched him up and again .. Where is he going to the fighting?
    Drown nafig and all!
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 25 2018 15: 50
      +17
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Drown nafig and all!

      Raise and color again.
      1. bazzbazz
        bazzbazz April 25 2018 16: 00
        +2
        The main thing is to chad now with white smoke)
        1. Dude
          Dude April 25 2018 16: 07
          +5
          To be fashionable? Type, such a rather big vape;)
          Well, they all dug into the smoke!
          1. hrych
            hrych April 25 2018 17: 38
            +4
            Quote: Dude
            Well, they all dug into the smoke!

            Our smokes in black, and theirs in African American
            laughing
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Unsuccessful project nevertheless .. Let's all agree!

            No, we don’t agree, a normal project. He was lucky to be born at a time when the bald head (the Americans saw Florida on the head, the Japanese saw Kamchatka with a chain of the Kuril Islands, and who stupidly Burma) simply hacked about deepening and it is indecent to say consensus. That's all drowned. And do not forget that we were waiting for the Yak-141 aircraft and the concept of the application is different, and the West is now somehow working on the vertical F-35

            1. hrych
              hrych April 25 2018 18: 28
              +2
              Here is more about the Yak-141
              1. hrych
                hrych April 25 2018 18: 50
                +2
                Some other irresponsible elements are spreading rumors that the Mistral were being prepared for the revived-modernized Yak-141. 4 pieces of which would give the Russian Federation 5 aircraft carriers in the near future. Well, we strongly disbelieve rumors, however, it didn’t merge with the French, which ours decided to build ships to replace the Mistral, it would be interesting to see, but the fact that the new vertical was included in the armament program is already curious, not only because Kuznetsov’s calculation is likely.
        2. Sevastiec
          Sevastiec April 25 2018 16: 59
          0
          This is if they choose dad.
        3. Voyager
          Voyager April 25 2018 17: 20
          +1
          White, blue, red!
        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 25 2018 22: 04
          +2
          Quote: bazzbazz
          The main thing is to chad now with white smoke)

          It is only during the election of the new pope that they blow white smoke in a pipe ... When Kiev was refueled with blue Algerian oil in the Mediterranean, he didn’t chad either, and the speed in the same operating modes of the TCU increased by 2,0 knots.
          So, "feed must be in the horse"! And in order for KTU to work happily ever after, good water treatment and a chemical laboratory with a full range of reagents are needed, and not as it was before ...
    2. Heterocapsa
      Heterocapsa April 25 2018 15: 53
      +11
      so it can be said about you. Do not heal you die anyway.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day April 25 2018 16: 04
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Still unsuccessful project

      there are no others
    4. t-4
      t-4 April 25 2018 16: 31
      +2
      And it’s true, like an old suitcase without a handle. And there is no sense, and it is a pity to throw out. All the same, what no aircraft carrier.
      1. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 April 26 2018 22: 13
        -1
        Convert Kuzya to UDC with helicopter squadrons. (under Mistral). In Syria I would have worked perfectly. The Russian Federation has neither experience, nor equipment, nor aircraft for an aircraft carrier, and there is nothing to fool about. Born to sail (cruiser), will not fly ...
    5. Alex777
      Alex777 April 25 2018 16: 48
      +8
      Where is it in the fighting? Drown nafig and all!

      Who will drown? Than? Thicken colors dear ... bully
      The boilers are new, the air defense will be improved with a new REV and Carapace, and there is also a dagger with almost 200 missiles, a three-layer anti-torpedo protection with a width of 4,5 m, can withstand 400 kg of TNT charge ... wink
      While it will be drowned (I am silent about Granit and planes / helicopters), a lot of things will fly to the prospectors in a tambourine as a gift. hi
    6. Sevastiec
      Sevastiec April 25 2018 17: 05
      +4
      Who will sink? A big war is unlikely. And for the operational deployment of aviation in conflicts of low intensity, this ship is quite suitable. If only the boilers were replaced so that the planes could take off at full load. And if you replace the "Granite", then generally good. Most likely, the UVPP will be delivered, which means it will be able to shoot with “Caliber”. If you still supply the UAV, then here is the control center. In principle, a ship from a soft, useless iron can become a very effective combat unit for modern conflicts.
    7. Conserp
      Conserp April 25 2018 17: 31
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Still unsuccessful project

      The entire series of 1143 ships was on the verge of wrecking.
      However, everything is known by comparison - “Kuzya” is at least a couple of goals more successful than both the newest little Britons: they are larger, but also non-nuclear, while unarmed and, in principle, can not use normal aircraft. In fact, these multi-billion-dollar troughs can neither attack anyone, nor provide air defense for the fleet, nor even defend themselves against the simplest anti-ship missiles.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 25 2018 18: 17
        +2
        The entire series of ships 1143 was on the verge of wrecking

        What for? During construction, his main task was to ensure the deployment of strategists. Therefore, they planned a lot of helicopters and few planes. He will carry out this task now. But in order to be able to project power - it is necessary to modify. First of all, we need an AWACS aircraft. Nobody argues here. Question of money.
        1. Conserp
          Conserp April 25 2018 19: 47
          0
          1143 were poor helicopter carriers, and no aircraft carriers.
          Well, the "Basalts" laid on top of the deck - just a rare facespalm.
    8. seti
      seti April 25 2018 17: 31
      +11
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Unsuccessful project nevertheless .. Let's all agree! Well, they patched him up and again .. Where is he going to the fighting?
      Drown nafig and all!

      What kind of nonsense? Are you a specialist in heavy aircraft cruisers ..? I suspect that no. If the project is so backward and utopian and the springboard is a drawback, then explain to the dark man why and the British and Chinese aircraft carriers did with him. And they didn’t just do it - it’s a very important part. The Chinese will build their entire series precisely on the prototype of the Varangian. Naturally with its additions. And they won’t say that the project is crap.
      TAVKR Kuznetsov is the only aircraft carrier in the world that has heavy fighters on board .. He is a pioneer. Yes, now it is outdated, but because it needs modernization, it will serve faithfully until 15 until we can create a replacement for it. And you would have to write off everything, but in return what? He is needed.
      And about the sink. Who will try to drown him doesn’t live and many others too ..
      1. Conserp
        Conserp April 25 2018 17: 53
        +3
        Quote: seti
        And about the sink.

        I was always wondering - what exactly are these visionaries going to drown in their wet dreams?

        Torpedoes or what? After all, the probable enemy from the RCC has nothing but obsolete anti-boat “Harpoons” and “Exosets” that are unable to overcome the Kuzi missile defense system in reasonable quantities, even in theory.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 25 2018 18: 22
        +4
        Quote: seti
        Yes now it's out of date

        Well, oooh ... Sweetheart .... Ships of this class do not age.
        Quote: seti
        need modernization - it will serve faithfully for 15 years

        With good docking, with the replacement of a set of hull and casing, without saving "on matches" - it will serve 20-25 for years without any problems, because the problems, as you know, are not in frozen latches. wassat
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 25 2018 22: 46
          +4
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          With good docking, with the replacement of a set of hull and skin, without saving "on matches"

          Docking - according to plan, it is possible before the battle, and so usually every two years. Although the North is not particularly overgrown ...
          But with the replacement of the case kit - a bust! They don’t do this even with major repairs! So, do not set off! There is no time to save on matches!
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 25 2018 23: 03
            0
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Docking - according to plan, it is possible before the battle, and so usually every two years. Although the North is not particularly overgrown ...

            Alexander ...
            hi
            Kuzya saw the dock for the last time at the time of his leaving in Nikolaev. I am amazed at the current - what is a diving survey of the underwater part, given the opacity of the water in the Kola Bay.
            I have a wild suspicion that our aircraft carrier is carrying tens of thousands of tons of unplanned ballast, which increases its draft. Draft is, of course, uncritical, but the condition of both ballast tanks, cofferdam and other auxiliary facilities below the waterline should be checked every 5-10 years ....
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            But with the replacement of the case kit - a bust! They don’t do this even with major repairs! So, do not set off!

            Oops ... T-uh teacher, and you are extremely wrong. wassat
            Civilian vessels dock every 2-3 year. The task is to check the thickness of all structural elements of the vessel, because even the best metal corrodes and rusts at sea at an accelerated pace. And if you do not change the skin of the underwater part of the hull in time, Kuzya will repeat the fate of the old Aurora, when the underwater part was bluntly cut off and a new one was welded before being returned to Petrograd embankment.
            I note that the old building at Aurora was made of high-quality open-hearth steel, not a match for the current remake.
            And every 4-5 years the court undergoes scheduled (overhaul) repairs, when all register devices and mechanisms are revised, with the corresponding issue of register documents.
            Question: "When will Kuzya lose, at least partially, the underwater part of the hull?"
            1. shkiper83
              shkiper83 April 26 2018 06: 01
              +1
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Docking - according to plan, it is possible before the battle, and so usually every two years. Although the North is not particularly overgrown ...

              Alexander ...
              hi
              Kuzya saw the dock for the last time at the time of his leaving in Nikolaev. I am amazed at the current - what is a diving survey of the underwater part, given the opacity of the water in the Kola Bay.
              I have a wild suspicion that our aircraft carrier is carrying tens of thousands of tons of unplanned ballast, which increases its draft. Draft is, of course, uncritical, but the condition of both ballast tanks, cofferdam and other auxiliary facilities below the waterline should be checked every 5-10 years ....
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              But with the replacement of the case kit - a bust! They don’t do this even with major repairs! So, do not set off!

              Oops ... T-uh teacher, and you are extremely wrong. wassat
              Civilian vessels dock every 2-3 year. The task is to check the thickness of all structural elements of the vessel, because even the best metal corrodes and rusts at sea at an accelerated pace. And if you do not change the skin of the underwater part of the hull in time, Kuzya will repeat the fate of the old Aurora, when the underwater part was bluntly cut off and a new one was welded before being returned to Petrograd embankment.
              I note that the old building at Aurora was made of high-quality open-hearth steel, not a match for the current remake.
              And every 4-5 years the court undergoes scheduled (overhaul) repairs, when all register devices and mechanisms are revised, with the corresponding issue of register documents.
              Question: "When will Kuzya lose, at least partially, the underwater part of the hull?"

              2006 year. A cruiser is docking. Photo taken from the side of my tanker.
              1. SOF
                SOF April 26 2018 06: 43
                +1
                Quote: shkiper83
                2006 year. A cruiser is docking. Photo taken from the side of my tanker.

                ... attach photo ... pzhlst .... for collection .... hi
      3. Mimoprohodil
        Mimoprohodil April 25 2018 22: 00
        0
        Quote: seti
        The Chinese will build their entire series precisely on the prototype of the Varangian.
        Already 1? The following will be classic aircraft carriers with catapults.
        Quote: seti
        TAVKR Kuznetsov is the only aircraft carrier in the world that has heavy fighters on board .. He is a pioneer.
        F-14 in your opinion is not a heavy fighter?
        1. Sergey985
          Sergey985 April 25 2018 22: 52
          +2
          F-14, a hundred years old, as with arms removed.
          1. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil April 26 2018 09: 33
            0
            That is true. But seti wrote that only Kavnets TAVKR can have heavy fighters
    9. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 25 2018 18: 18
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Still a failed project.

      Vitaliy .... Do not rush under the client. fool Kuzya is a good boat. Only expensive to operate. And the crew must be equipped with sailors, not passengers. And such people need 4000 people.
      What Kuza is clearly missing is a good dock.
    10. Baby sitter
      Baby sitter April 26 2018 22: 11
      +1
      FSE can sink! So maybe not build? Che loot the people's waste ?! Throw pensioners on democracy .......
  3. antivirus
    antivirus April 25 2018 15: 50
    +1
    everything repeats and my genius too:
    antivirus 6 April 23, 2018 14:29 | The state contract is signed. "Admiral Kuznetsov" got up for repair
    we just got out (in February 14g) from jo ...
    Kuzya is not needed by our diplomats ..
    Diplomats MUST have the audacity to offer friendship to “partners” on our terms.
    not yet able
    "Insolence is the second happiness" is not about our foreign policy.
    and let Kuzya stand; or it costs money in the database
    and without it you can crush your "partners" with arrogance
    A complaint
  4. newcomer
    newcomer April 25 2018 15: 50
    +2
    it is right. "Kuznetsov" _ is a heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, not an aircraft jack. I'm talking about new weapons.
    1. Dude
      Dude April 25 2018 16: 11
      +2
      Compromise, of course, the ship, but not without certain advantages!
      But in a threatened period, and, in general, unique in its role, therefore, indispensable. Fact.
    2. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors April 25 2018 16: 15
      +4
      And what for did he give him strike weapons? Aircraft carriers now do not plow the sea alone. Is it not better to use the volumes occupied by RCC with the benefit for the aviation component?
      1. newcomer
        newcomer April 25 2018 16: 34
        +8
        You are familiar with the definition: cruiser, aircraft carrier cruiser, aircraft carrier. Yes, aircraft carriers do not go alone; a heavy aircraft carrier still walks.
        1. Shura Sailors
          Shura Sailors April 25 2018 16: 56
          +3
          The Heavy Carrier Cruiser sounds beautiful. No more. What about this cruiser’s air defense? Is it scary for one to walk?
          1. newcomer
            newcomer April 25 2018 17: 04
            +4
            not scary. about the air defense, read it TTX. in a nutshell: he holds an air defense, missile defense for 40 (!) minutes of massive (!) raid. implies the defense of the near, middle zone and far. read, very interesting.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 25 2018 18: 21
              +2
              As for the middle and far zones, you got excited.
              Peter I provides this to him. Easy. hi
              PLO - pair 1155.
              1. newcomer
                newcomer April 25 2018 19: 46
                +1
                no, not really got excited. just once about the “Kuz” very seriously began to be interested, ummkalny ship. I read a lot, correlated the “factory” specifications with the data in the military encyclopedias. they go with “Peter”, because “Peter” is nuclear in every way, copes with submarines better, “Kuzya” gives him wings. something like that, in quick and human language. (I myself do not do this and do not like to read comments strewn with technical jargon).
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 25 2018 21: 45
                  0
                  That, the number of aircraft that was based on Kuznetsovo in the Syrian campaign (~ 8 Su-33 and 5 MIG-29) will not provide air defense / missile defense of the far and middle zones. Constant maintenance of the required amount in the air will not work. Constructively. Of the air defense / missile systems there is a dagger and a dagger. Both are near zone. All. hi
            2. Shura Sailors
              Shura Sailors April 25 2018 20: 08
              +1
              And where to read something about the middle and far air defense zone? as I understand it, a “dagger” is an oversized “torus” + “shell” supposed. Neither the first complex nor the second is a defense neither in the middle nor, moreover, in the far air defense zone. RBU-1200 is a good thing, but for Cruiser anti-submarine protection is slightly weak (more anti-torpedo). Are you planning to 'cover up' the holes in the defense of this Cruiser with an air wing? 40 combat MiG and Su power, no doubt (to upgrade them would still be incomparable). Do you plan to use them as a middle and far defense zone? And then what to hit on the "enemy coast"?
              Will there be enough capabilities of 4 Ka-31 for full-fledged air defense in the far zone?
              Speak Cruiser?
              1. newcomer
                newcomer April 25 2018 20: 38
                0
                Well, why are you all in one pile then? in general, when a possibility of an attack on a cruiser is discovered, duty vehicles fly out in advance, while the following are being prepared. and the electronic filling at Kuzi is good, it’s not like with the Yankees. where to read, although I’m a “kettle” on computers, but ask a question about the topic. I am sure that military encyclopedias are in electronic form. Yes, and his weapons at least change from time to time, well, plus or minus, but always on the level. on mubmarins already said a little higher. oh yes, what do you dislike about MIG29K? after all the progenitor of 35!
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 25 2018 21: 49
                  0
                  Who discovers the possibility of an attack for the early departure of duty vehicles? At what range and at what altitude? bully
                  Everyone else has AWACS aircraft. And we don’t have them.
                  1. Tiksi-3
                    Tiksi-3 April 26 2018 11: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Everyone else has AWACS aircraft. And we don’t have them.

                    Macron informs us in advance
          2. Conserp
            Conserp April 25 2018 17: 38
            +2
            Quote: Shura of the sailors
            What about this cruiser’s air defense

            So what about?

            This is the only aircraft carrier in the world that has an impenetrable missile defense system that cannot be simply taken and sunk with the help of simple anti-ship missiles.

            All the Americans are practically defenseless, the British are completely defenseless, the French are somehow protected.
            1. Shura Sailors
              Shura Sailors April 25 2018 20: 20
              +4
              Impenetrable missile defense? In the world there are only impenetrable I.D.O.T.
              That is why Americans go with a good escort. Aircraft carrier is just a floating airfield. And to make a prodigy out of it is unpromising. Impossible to shove the non-pushable.
              1. Conserp
                Conserp April 25 2018 22: 13
                0
                Quote: Shura of the sailors
                That is why Americans go with a good escort.

                Which in the same way can not protect itself or the aircraft carrier from anti-ship missiles.

                For many years, Americans have not even carried out exercises with shooting - there is simply nothing to shoot down targets.
            2. Mimoprohodil
              Mimoprohodil April 25 2018 21: 47
              0
              Quote: Conserp
              French is protected somehow.
              The same number of missiles. And 4 Phalanxes are better than these hand guns.
              1. Conserp
                Conserp April 25 2018 22: 11
                0
                Not in quantity, but in quality.
                The minimum height of defeat at “Aster” is stated at 5 m. The Americans have long and stubbornly concealed their indicators. It used to be 25 m; judging by the fact that the tests of 2008-2010 to counter low-altitude targets were failed (and by all complexes), no particular improvements happened. They also have problems with radars. So it can be assumed that the French with defense are slightly better.

                Phalanxes are in fact as useless as hand guns.
                1. Mimoprohodil
                  Mimoprohodil April 26 2018 09: 50
                  0
                  Each phalanx can shoot down 1-2 subsonic missiles. And the French guns are nothing
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter April 25 2018 16: 38
        +5
        Alexander hi "Admiral Kuznetsov" is not an aircraft carrier, but an aircraft carrier cruiser, which implies a certain specificity of its equipment and strike weapons as well.
      3. Aqr009
        Aqr009 April 25 2018 16: 55
        +7
        Is it not better to use the volumes occupied by RCC with the benefit for the aviation component?

        RCCs are squeezed into just such places, in the bow, at the base of the springboard, which you no longer use for the aviation component.

        But the replacement of inclined launchers PKR "Granit" with vertical launchers "Caliber-NK" can significantly increase the effectiveness of a pensioner.

        Quote from LJ AK-12
        Simple arithmetic suggests that in the compartment 22,5 x 9,5 x 10,5 m (L x B x H) you can set 5 x 4 = 20 eight-missile launchers 3S14U1. ...
        Therefore, the maximum rating is exactly this - 20 PU 3S14U1 with a capacity of 160 missiles.


        160 caliber in addition to the aviation component - a very good increase, huh? good
        1. Conserp
          Conserp April 25 2018 17: 41
          +3
          160 will not fit in weight. 48 is already optimistic.

          But the main thing is that you can shove it there anti-submarine "Gauges", not just RCC.
        2. Shura Sailors
          Shura Sailors April 25 2018 20: 18
          +1
          Not at all? Those. the volume occupied by the "Granites" on the "Kuz" can not be adapted in any way for the storage of aviation weapons, fuel, workshops? belay
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 April 25 2018 21: 52
            0
            The Chinese did so on their new aircraft carrier. hi
            1. midivan
              midivan April 25 2018 22: 03
              +3
              Quote: Shura of the sailors
              Not at all? Those. the volume occupied by the "Granites" on the "Kuz" can not be adapted in any way for the storage of aviation weapons, fuel, workshops?

              Quote: Alex777
              The Chinese did so on their new aircraft carrier.

              And please tell me what the joke is, I am a fuel oil onshore and the analogy begs an analogy - throw brass knuckles and stock up with green paint and bandages.
              1. Mimoprohodil
                Mimoprohodil April 26 2018 09: 58
                0
                So you can move the storage, and in the vacated space more aircraft to place
              2. ZVO
                ZVO April 26 2018 10: 08
                +1
                Quote: midivan

                And please tell me what the joke is, I am a fuel oil onshore and the analogy begs an analogy - throw brass knuckles and stock up with green paint and bandages.


                Imagine the president of Russia with brass knuckles in your pocket?
                How do you like this? Bullshit, game? Yes.

                But his guards in 3 guard rings with cathets are already perceived as “quite acceptable”.

                So - the aircraft carrier is the president.
                And security is his order. Nuclear submarines, destroyers, frigates, cruisers, dozens of aircraft of the aircraft carrier itself, helicopters with warrants, AWACS, RTR, land-based anti-submarine aircraft and always always strategic reconnaissance drones, such as the Global Hawk, which are always nearby and always control a huge area at least as close to the Aircraft carrier’s route .
                They are the eyes and ears and often the long arms of the "president" ...
                Excellent knowledge of judo - will not save the president from the bullet of the attacker, but the brass knuckles in the guard’s hand will instantly beat the spirit of their head, before he pulls the trigger ... At the far frontier.
                1. midivan
                  midivan April 26 2018 16: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: ZVO
                  Imagine the president of Russia with brass knuckles in your pocket?
                  How do you like this? Bullshit, game? Yes.

                  Introduced a normal kid laughing
                  Quote: ZVO
                  So - the aircraft carrier is the president.

                  Well, the aircraft carrier, yes, I agree, but Kuzya doesn’t seem to be pulling on the “president” and collecting a warrant for him is also problematic, as I understand it, and are content with what is, let’s say, “FSO platoon com” smile and here they propose to make him a “president" all the more so of a not quite full-fledged Macron type lol I do not think that when it was created, they did not think through all these nuances and the creators were no worse than here on the site. request
  5. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 25 2018 15: 51
    +4
    It seems to me that a nuclear reactor will be shoved in there, just in case.
    1. Bronevick
      Bronevick April 25 2018 16: 00
      +4
      And instead of air defense they will deliver laser blasters. Dreamer.
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher April 25 2018 17: 55
      +2
      Quote: Azazelo
      It seems to me that a nuclear reactor will be shoved in there, just in case.

      Necessarily, now without a reactor, and certainly "regenerating reactor with subthermal neutrons." They won’t understand otherwise ...
  6. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 25 2018 15: 52
    +2
    According to him, after the upgrade, by 2021, the ship should be operational.

    The main word is MUST.
  7. Tarasve
    Tarasve April 25 2018 15: 57
    0
    They will put new boilers, labeled S-350, Shell, but this is probably the last repair of Kuzi. soldier
    1. newcomer
      newcomer April 25 2018 15: 59
      +2
      I hope not the last. he must pass the baton to his grandson (aircraft carrier). the son was Ulyanovsk.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni April 25 2018 16: 18
        +1
        Not! This is the last aircraft carrier in the territory of the former Union-CIS. There will be no more aircraft carriers. Regrettably, admit it. the same Varangian in fact in a high degree of readiness, under Yeltsin stupidly did not want to finish. In the sense of allocating money for completion, he went to China. School of design and engineering personnel in the afternoon with fire. I don’t want to continue further. but that’s selvah.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer April 25 2018 16: 31
          +3
          no, dear man. aircraft carrier to be. in some points I agree with you, but. in a couple of three years the cadres will be ambitious, “hungry”. and about the newest aircraft carrier, I would first build the Ulyanovsk project to fill my hand, so to speak. an example is the Chinese, first the Kuzi brothers then their own, the newest.
          1. dgonni
            dgonni April 25 2018 17: 35
            +1
            If there were specialists and the speed of construction as in the union, then I agree. The time taken for repair is comparable to the speed of construction of a new ship. An attempt to settle down and build something even like a kuzi will drag on for decades. We are silent about the attempt of a thread such as Ford;).
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 25 2018 16: 15
      0
      Quote: TarasVE
      marinated S-350

      And his PU will fit into the place of PU "Dagger"?
      Because there is no other place - either sponsons, or you have to hammer the flight deck and take the area of ​​the hangar.
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      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 25 2018 19: 29
        +1
        Quote: Puncher
        Are you a comedian, what the hell is S-350? Which has been rolling around for more than ten years at the exhibitions in the form of a mock-up and Putin has been sucked in, they say here, soon, soon ...? In 2015, they promised to take it into service, and since 9M96 missiles have been developed since 1999, the anniversary is soon, and as it did not fly, it does not fly.

        Not everything is so simple. The redoubt still works on the corvette - the Defense Ministry regularly reports on the successful launches of the Soobrazitelny.
        But the Corvette air defense system for TAVKR is not even hypothetically suitable - and the frigate "polymer-redoubt" continues to regularly "please" with the next postponement of readiness.
  8. san4es
    san4es April 25 2018 16: 16
    +4
    hi "" Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov "", is the largest ship of the Russian Navy. The area of ​​its flight deck is about 15 thousand square meters, which is equal to the area of ​​eight hockey courts. And its turbines generate electricity, which is enough to provide light to a small city. soldier
    Oct 31 2017 year
  9. My_log_in
    My_log_in April 25 2018 16: 35
    +2
    I apologize to society, but in my humble opinion, it will not go out of repair ... unfortunately ...
  10. Livonetc
    Livonetc April 25 2018 16: 50
    +4
    Quote: My_Log_In
    I apologize to society, but in my humble opinion, it will not go out of repair ... unfortunately ...

    Forgive.
    Subject to the justification of your statement.
  11. next322
    next322 April 25 2018 16: 53
    +1
    change all weapons and make a helicopter carrier with a ka-52K regiment
    1. Conserp
      Conserp April 25 2018 17: 43
      +1
      Can the Ka-52K really solve the same problems that the Su-57 solves?

      Can you suggest making a cruise ship out of it?
  12. askme
    askme April 25 2018 17: 26
    +2
    The boilers on the Indian project were run in, the new decks were bought. There are new anti-ship missiles. VLRL Ka-31 upgrade shock. The shell is new - in general, the grind is terrible. It will be the most powerful air defense carrier + a non-sickly cruiser. His PLO is also very impressive. Together with Nakhimov and 22350 + Yasenem-M under water will be able to withstand any AUG. Flush them in the North Atlantic.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 26 2018 11: 10
      0
      Quote: askme
      will be able to withstand any AUG. Flush them in the North Atlantic

      forgot to add in batches !! belay wassat
  13. Tarasve
    Tarasve April 25 2018 17: 29
    0
    Quote: Aqr009
    Is it not better to use the volumes occupied by RCC with the benefit for the aviation component?

    RCCs are squeezed into just such places, in the bow, at the base of the springboard, which you no longer use for the aviation component.

    But the replacement of inclined launchers PKR "Granit" with vertical launchers "Caliber-NK" can significantly increase the effectiveness of a pensioner.

    Quote from LJ AK-12
    Simple arithmetic suggests that in the compartment 22,5 x 9,5 x 10,5 m (L x B x H) you can set 5 x 4 = 20 eight-missile launchers 3S14U1. ...
    Therefore, the maximum rating is exactly this - 20 PU 3S14U1 with a capacity of 160 missiles.


    160 caliber in addition to the aviation component - a very good increase, huh? good

    And why the Caliber of the cruiser, I think the missile defense needs to be strengthened.
    1. askme
      askme April 25 2018 17: 38
      +2
      There is no place for a powerful missile defense. The housing is not suitable for this. You can redesign, of course, but it’s much cheaper to build a new one. But it still remains a mystery why at the airport, where airplanes fly, to place powerful explosive charges ... An insoluble problem ...
      RCCs only work when aviation is at a standstill at a distance ... That is, RCC is an addition to aviation. This makes it possible to inflict an instant strike on surface targets, unlike aviation, which needs time to prepare for departure .. Moreover, for the RCC initially there is space for it. Purely constructive ...
      1. Conserp
        Conserp April 25 2018 18: 03
        +1
        Quote: askme
        There is no place for a powerful missile defense.

        What kind of missile defense are we talking about - from intercontinental ballistic missiles, or what?

        What nonsense. The missile defense is more powerful than the Kuzi, only the Petit.
        1. askme
          askme April 25 2018 18: 27
          +1
          Missile defense ABM is different) Most missile defense systems are associated with interstellar intercepts, yes)) My interlocutor, judging by his reaction to the post, has the closest missile defense, yes, Kuzma’s most powerful. If you were careful, I wrote about it above.
    2. Conserp
      Conserp April 25 2018 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: TarasVE
      And why the Caliber of the cruiser, I think the missile defense needs to be strengthened.

      There is nowhere to strengthen missile defense there.
      “Gauges” are not only URC and RCC, but also anti-submarine torpedoes.
      PLO is important.
      1. askme
        askme April 25 2018 18: 30
        +1
        In professional language, Kuznetsov has a powerful MIDDLE PRO. It’s not professional to write that Kuznetsov’s powerful missile defense without indicating “near”.
  14. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher April 25 2018 17: 33
    +1
    Such adults, and they believe in fairy tales ... The end of Kuze came final and irrevocable. Although the local audience holyly believe that Nakhimov (who was scheduled to be handed over to the fleet this year, according to the plan) will plow the seas for evil adversary. I can imagine how the year 2030 Putin, in a semi-katom state, announces that we desperately need a museum of naval aviation and a better candidate than the Kuzma fragment is not, and the local brethren will be accustomed to chanting "The right decision! Public heritage! Preserve the memory of our ancestors!"
    1. lance
      lance April 25 2018 17: 49
      +1
      according to the latest measurements, metal kuzi is able to serve 50 years. so it all depends on the desires of the navy.
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher April 25 2018 18: 09
        +2
        Quote: Lance
        according to the latest measurements, metal kuzi is able to serve 50 years

        Metal is just material, it does not move by itself. There Yamato at the bottom for another hundred years, he’ll lie down without falling apart,
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  15. fa2998
    fa2998 April 25 2018 17: 39
    +1
    I think we got a new Vostochny spaceport - we will move the construction terms for a long time, endless infusion of money, look for guilty parties about embezzlement in the courts, and of course we will find the switchman! Bet you won’t be like that! lol hi
  16. Tarasve
    Tarasve April 25 2018 17: 48
    0
    Quote: askme
    There is no place for a powerful missile defense. The housing is not suitable for this. You can redesign, of course, but it’s much cheaper to build a new one. But it still remains a mystery why at the airport, where airplanes fly, to place powerful explosive charges ... An insoluble problem ...
    RCCs only work when aviation is at a standstill at a distance ... That is, RCC is an addition to aviation. This makes it possible to inflict an instant strike on surface targets, unlike aviation, which needs time to prepare for departure .. Moreover, for the RCC initially there is space for it. Purely constructive ...

    Then use it as a floating airfield in a 200 mile zone.
    1. askme
      askme April 25 2018 18: 00
      0
      As an option. In Syria, for example, a great solution. Kuznetsov’s group will then be able to contain the entire Atlantic fleet of US aircraft carriers.
      1. lance
        lance April 25 2018 18: 17
        0
        Kuznetsov has long had to pass the Black Sea Fleet so as not to go far and keep Andreatik in good shape along with Moscow. and any US fleet will forget the way there. in armament, kuzi, everything can change in a year, but the calibers and onyxes will be there.
      2. ZVO
        ZVO April 26 2018 10: 17
        +2
        Quote: askme
        As an option. In Syria, for example, a great solution. Kuznetsov’s group will then be able to contain the entire Atlantic fleet of US aircraft carriers.


        Are you planning to hold back the Atlantic fleet with 10 planes?

        And the fact that Middle-earth is an inner puddle, belonging in fact to Turkey, Greece, Italy, France, Spain, Albania, Montenegro, Croatia - which are NATO countries ...
        The survival rate of any non-NATO fleet in this puddle is 0. Just because it has no chance.

        Learn to think with your head ... Learn. It’s not at all difficult.
  17. APASUS
    APASUS April 25 2018 18: 12
    +2
    It is clear that the boilers must be changed, but the question is precisely in the subject: do we have them? Does our industry produce such boilers or what exactly do they want to supply?
    1. askme
      askme April 25 2018 21: 53
      +1
      There are boilers. KVG-3D. Electronically controlled boilers. On Gorshkov worked out. They have been working with the Indians for 4 years without comment)
  18. Berkut24
    Berkut24 April 25 2018 19: 13
    +1
    Change energy equipment: new boilers, new pumps

    ... and instead of gas coals, throw anthracite into the furnace.
    It’s hard for me to understand what the MO and specifically the fleet want from Kuzi. The project has long outlived itself, the effectiveness and capabilities of the ship are fatally lagging behind what is required of a modern floating airfield. There is no intelligible cover group and is not foreseen. A Kuze tanker with fuel oil, a floating workshop and a tugboat are much more important than one corvette protecting them all. Off the coast of Syria are two non-combat losses. Maybe let alone the long-suffering veteran of perestroika and escape from the Crimea?
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      1. ZVO
        ZVO April 26 2018 10: 24
        0
        Quote: askme
        Bullshit written a dog, dear) Like other trolls IN)


        Answer yourself:
        1. How many airplanes can Kuzya really provide?
        2. How many deck aviation pilots do we have?
        3. What is the average age of these pilots?
        4. What combat tasks can planes take off from Kuzi and at what distance?
        5. How many sorties can the existing take-off and landing equipment provide (given that only one component — a cable aerofinisher — resulted in the deaths of two planes in a peaceful environment)?
        6. What is the operational maneuvering zone without escort of tugs and tankers?
        7. How many warrant ships can our fleet allocate to escort Kuzi without exposing the fleet itself? Given that the adversary is usually 2 nuclear submarines and 5-6 destroyers and cruisers + support ships, able to walk 30-node move?

        That's when you understand everything, on every point - then you stop writing about "bullshit" ... Therefore. that the troll is you ...
        1. askme
          askme April 26 2018 10: 41
          +1
          No, the troll is you. Because the previous troll, before you, wrote that Kuznetsov has no prospects. You, like this troll, suck up Kuznetsov’s current condition, with dead boilers and in tows, turning this condition into a promising one. The same goes for all your other points.

          If we take into account the repaired ship, its capabilities as a platform - it was originally designed as an aircraft-carrying cruiser, whose air wing was originally designed for air defense. And of course, having the opportunity to carry a regiment of modern MiG-29K on board, he will be able to provide powerful air defense to his group. After being completely renovated. And his current state is the state of the ship in the dock. To analyze its potential possibilities from the point of view of its current state, sucking on this state, what trolls like you are doing - this is pure trollism. In fact.
          1. ZVO
            ZVO April 26 2018 11: 46
            0
            Quote: askme
            No, the troll is you. Because the previous troll, before you, wrote that Kuznetsov has no prospects. You, like this troll, suck up Kuznetsov’s current condition, with dead boilers and in tows, turning this condition into a promising one. The same goes for all your other points.

            If we take into account the repaired ship, its capabilities as a platform - it was originally designed as an aircraft-carrying cruiser, whose air wing was originally designed for air defense. And of course, having the opportunity to carry a regiment of modern MiG-29K on board, he will be able to provide powerful air defense to his group. After being completely renovated. And his current state is the state of the ship in the dock. To analyze its potential possibilities from the point of view of its current state, sucking on this state, what trolls like you are doing - this is pure trollism. In fact.


            Those. his trip to Syria in 2017 - do you consider a “dead ship” campaign? Was he then at death according to you?
            And the Mig-29K regiment - how much do you think?
            Will they fit in hangars?
            Will there be enough pilots?
            Well, at least 2 pilots per car?

            And the "most powerful air defense" in your words - what will you establish if there is not a single AWACS aircraft?
            Who will detect the threats?
            Advanced Watch Ships?
            So how did Sheffield “do it”?

            And what about the previous Syrian campaign of 2011-2012? What do you know about him? Well, except for TV Star reports?

            Why is Kuzyu from the very beginning called the "Ship of Eternal Repair"?

            Stop throwing agitation - it’s better to read normal literature, military-technical.
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          2. Berkut24
            Berkut24 April 26 2018 15: 28
            0
            Because the previous troll, before you, wrote that Kuznetsov has no prospects.

            Once again - there are no prospects. For as an aircraft carrying cruiser he is both a non-cruiser and an under-carrier at the same time. An attempt to mix everything in one glass for all occasions leads to the same result as the f-35, which is both a fighter, and an under-attack aircraft, and an under-bomber.
            And of course, having the opportunity to carry a regiment of modern MiG-29K on board, he will be able to provide powerful air defense to his group.

            As an air defense worker with experience I will tell you that he cannot provide anything with such a composition. Especially with such a speed of release and reception of aircraft. But to create a mishmash of your own and others' goals in the air for a ship escort group is easy.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 26 2018 10: 45
      0
      Quote: Berkut24
      Maybe let alone the long-suffering veteran of perestroika and escape from the Crimea?

      You, my dear, are just like our liberals - “return the Crimea, surrender the Donbass, leave Syria,” etc.
      1. ZVO
        ZVO April 26 2018 11: 52
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Quote: Berkut24
        Maybe let alone the long-suffering veteran of perestroika and escape from the Crimea?

        You, my dear, are just like our liberals - “return the Crimea, surrender the Donbass, leave Syria,” etc.


        These are different things ...
        Do not replace the concept ...
      2. Berkut24
        Berkut24 April 27 2018 11: 41
        0
        You, my dear, are just like our liberals - “return the Crimea, surrender the Donbass, leave Syria,” etc.

        I understand that after a while you will shamefully erase this message as well. And who is the troll after that?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 27 2018 11: 42
          0
          Current if through a moderator .. Right now I’ll ask ...
  19. pavlov.boris
    pavlov.boris April 25 2018 22: 59
    0
    “the aircraft carrier will be equipped with the new“ Shell ”marine anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems. Chestnuts are also there so why come up with some kind of sea shell is the same chestnut.
  20. The Little Humpbacked Horse
    The Little Humpbacked Horse April 25 2018 23: 52
    0
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Kuzya saw the dock for the last time at the moment of his leaving in Nikolaev


    Really, here is my photo of ten years ago, where the cruiser is taken out of the dock
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 26 2018 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Humpbacked Horse
      where the cruiser is taken out of the dock

      Yes, I saw how in the bay Roslyakovo stands in the dock TAKR. At that time it was Peter the Great. Petruha is also invested in the length of the dock. And in Kuzi, both the bow and the propeller-steering group hang above the water, i.e. There is no full access. It's like repairing a premium car in a pit garage.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 26 2018 11: 21
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        And in Kuzi, both the bow and the propeller-steering group hang above the water, i.e. full access is not.

        Do not hang.

        The length of the PD-50 is 330 m. The greatest length of the Kuznetsov (including the springboard) is 307 m.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 26 2018 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Do not hang.

          Thanks, reassured ....
          hi
          Was wrong. I see that the production facilities allow for scheduled repairs without any problems.
  21. komis55
    komis55 April 26 2018 11: 18
    0
    And let's build up the landing deck?
    1. ZVO
      ZVO April 26 2018 11: 59
      0
      Quote: komis55
      And let's build up the landing deck?


      Those. will we make it double-deck.-two-story?
      Below is the take-off deck, above is the landing deck?

      Cool, yeah ...
      Just the Japanese in the 30s have already shown to the whole world. that you can’t do this ... 2 times shown.
  22. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 26 2018 11: 28
    0
    Not interesting ... Where are the combat lasers ???)))
  23. d1975
    d1975 April 26 2018 21: 58
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    Some other irresponsible elements are spreading rumors that the Mistral were being prepared for the revived-modernized Yak-141. 4 pieces of which would give the Russian Federation 5 aircraft carriers in the near future. Well, we strongly disbelieve rumors, however, it didn’t merge with the French, which ours decided to build ships to replace the Mistral, it would be interesting to see, but the fact that the new vertical was included in the armament program is already curious, not only because Kuznetsov’s calculation is likely.

    Our reels in arms are very large from side to side, we must have all this for sure, but again, where is the money? And we knew how to build our aircraft, and this still hurt the USSR !!! hi