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Missile defense is broken, and what is left to our fleet?

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We bake rockets like sausages.
N.S. Khrushchev. 1960



It became clear from the president’s address that a number of nuclear deterrent devices were developed in Russia in a “secrecy setting”, for which considerable funding was allocated. It remains unclear only why the Americans were warned that their efforts to build a missile defense system would be completely useless. Let them spend their military budget further. The assurances of the Americans that their missile defense system is capable of repelling less than one percent of our ICBMs, we stubbornly ignore and the strengthening of the nuclear shield continues. Apparently the logic works - “today you can one percent, and tomorrow all ten”. It remains to be seen whether our conventional weapons are well funded, as is the nuclear shield ...


Fig. 1. The main shock of the Russian Navy - the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov"

In Soviet times, the author was engaged in the development of radar systems for ship-based air defense systems, and then he began to engage in the opposite task - the development of attack methods by our aircraft on enemy ships. Now, having retired, I decided to consider the state of the program for the construction of impact surface ships. The proposed review was compiled from open sources and the author’s personal opinion is expressed only when discussing the status of the ships' air defenses.

1. Aircraft carrier construction

In 2016, our Admiral Kuznetsov arrived in Syria. Nothing special except the facts of the fall of two aircraft, this campaign is not remembered. If the first plane fell for technical reasons, then the second - due to rupture of the aerofinisher, that is, due to a failure of the aircraft carrier. As a result, the campaign cost 10 billion rubles, and now the ship has returned to Murmansk and has been waiting for repairs for over a year. A special commission announced the cost of repairs and upgrades to 65 billion rubles. Then they attended to the fact that it was possible to build an 2 frigate with such a sum, and decided to reduce it to 40 billion. The ship was built at the Nikolaev shipyards, and it is impossible to repair it there now. There are currently no free docks in Russia capable of repairing such a ship. For example, in the Northern shipyard, in order to get a ship into the factory pool, it will be necessary to expand the gates and carry out the dredging. In addition, this pool is busy repairing another heavy cruiser “Admiral Nakhimov”. Only now USC President Rakhmanov announced that the repair contract has finally been concluded, the repair period is 3 of the year. However, he did not report the volume of repairs, nor funding, nor even the place of repair. The term for extending the service of the ship is also not announced. So far it is clear that traditionally there will be a replacement of boilers.

In 2007, at the price of 120 $ oil, the president declared Russia an “energy superpower”. Following this, representatives of the Ministry of Defense began to make statements that Russia needed to build 6 aircraft carriers, an explanation of the figure of 6 was not given. Apparently, it was believed that if in the US there are 12 aircraft carriers, then we need to have at least half. Then came the crisis, and, despite the fact that Russia was declared an island of stability, the plans to build aircraft carriers disappeared.

At present, paper projects of new aircraft carriers began to appear. The Krylov Center presented a draft of the full-size aircraft carrier Storm, equivalent to American aircraft carriers, but since in addition to developing the aircraft carrier itself, it will be necessary to develop a new DRLO Yak-44 aircraft and build a shipyard of the appropriate size, the price of a single aircraft carrier could significantly exceed $ 10 billion. (In the US, the aircraft carrier "Nimitz" released a series of pieces 10)

Due to the shortage of money, a proposal was made to build a light aircraft carrier with a displacement of 30-40 thousand tons, but it requires the use of short-takeoff and vertical landing aircraft (YAC) Yak-141. Their development was carried out 30 years ago, and it is very difficult to resume it due to the lack of specialists, therefore such a project will not be cheap. In addition, it will be necessary to evaluate their practical reliability - on the previous model Yak-38 many of our pilots died. In addition, the British Ministry of Defense remained dissatisfied with the efficiency of its light aircraft carrier Invincible and its Harrier aircraft. OKB Yakovlev in 90-e tried to develop an improved version of the aircraft KVVP - Yak-201, however, further advance project it did not go and prototypes were not built. Considering the difficulties that the Americans faced in developing their KVVP F-35B, our Ministry of Defense is not in a hurry to finance the Yak-201 program.

A way out of this situation would be the development of an aircraft carrier destroyer. The author developed the concept of such a destroyer with a displacement of 15 thousand tons, which accommodate up to 35 unmanned aircraft weighing 2 tons. These aircraft would provide strikes at a range of 500-600 km. In addition, they could provide aircraft defense. Naturally, they will require the development of specialized radar and guided missiles. Unfortunately, the Ministry of Defense does not consider such projects.

2. Baseline data used to analyze the construction of strike ships

2.1. Ship classification


Currently, there is no consensus among experts regarding the names of ships of various classes. Next, destroyers of the ocean zone will be called the standard displacement of the order of 8 thousand tons, frigates - ships of the order of 4 thousand tons for the near ocean zone, corvettes - ships of the near sea and two hundred-mile sea zone of the order of 2 thousand tons. In cases where the reference is given the full displacement, it exceeds the standard on 15-20%. The cost of the ship's hull is usually less than 30% of the total price. Therefore, the concept proclaimed by the Ministry of Defense, reducing the displacement of the ship while maintaining the full set of weapons, does not provide significant cost savings.

2.2. Propulsion Systems (DU)

For all three types, remote control systems based on gas turbines or diesel engines are used. Diesels have a significantly greater mass, but they are 1,5-2 times more economical than turbines. Therefore, the most promising is the equipment of a ship with a diesel engine of moderate power, giving the ship the opportunity to make long transitions, at not high economic speed. In critical situations, when it is necessary to reach maximum speed, the turbine in the 3-4 of greater power is connected to the diesel engine.

In 2013, Ukraine had to conclude an agreement with the European Union. Therefore, D.O. Rogozin began to make intensive trips to Ukraine and to give promises about the mass purchase of turbines for helicopters and ships, and even promised to restore abandoned Nicholas shipyards and place orders on them. In 2014, after the well-known events, these plans collapsed. As a result, instead of receiving high-quality Ukrainian turbines and diesel engines of the German company NTU, we had to deal with the import substitution of the control of all ships under construction.

The turbines are produced by NPO Saturn, but the nomenclature produced by them is still insufficient to supply all ships. Diesel engines are produced by Kolomna Plant, which has experience in building diesel locomotives. The development of ship diesel engines is now just beginning, and their reliability is inferior to German.

2.3. The use of technology "stealth"

The greatest danger to surface ships is aviation and enemy missiles. Therefore, the stealth technology is essential in providing air defense of the ship. The radar signature of a ship is measured by the area of ​​its effective dispersion surface (EPR), which characterizes the magnitude of the signal reflected from the ship. Ships of previous generations, due to the presence of a large number of external reflecting elements - antennas of various types, gun mounts, as well as the sides of the ship with an inclined outward direction - had an increased EPR. On average, it was believed that the EPR of a destroyer class ship was 3 thousand m2, while the frigate or corvette was 1 thousand m2. When using the stealth technology, all protruding elements are hidden under the flat surfaces of the ship's superstructures. If the radar of an airplane irradiates a large plane from its side, the signal will be reflected from this plane according to the law of specular reflection and will not return to the radar. Therefore, such a radar plane will not see. Reduced EPR significantly reduces the detection range of the ship by aircraft radar. The second advantage of reducing the ship is that the aircraft must detect ships in the background of signals reflected from sea waves. If the ship’s ESR is reduced to 10-30 m2, then it becomes extremely difficult to detect it with sea disturbances of more than 2-3 points. Therefore, modern ships should have an ESR less than these values, that is, the ESR of old Soviet ships should be reduced by tens to hundreds of times.

If the plane approached so close to the ship that it can detect it, despite its inconspicuous nature, then the ship’s further disguise is carried out by radiating interference into the aircraft’s radar station. The interference power should be proportional to the ship's EPR, that is, reducing the EPR by a factor of n will reduce the power of the interference also by a factor of n. This will not only simplify the design of the transmitter of interference, but also reduce the harmful effects of interference on the rest of the ship’s radio systems.

2.4. Information support of the ships

A shipborne radar is able to detect an enemy ship at ranges of no more than 30-40 km. For a more complete overview of the situation using helicopters. The Ka-27 shipboard antisubmarine helicopter available in Russia was developed by the 40 years ago and has a very large mass (11 tons), dimensions and high fuel consumption (1т / h). Therefore, as a rule, only one helicopter is located on the ship. The helicopter survey radar was located in the drum under the nose cone, which made it impossible to install a sufficiently large antenna. In 2000, it was decided to upgrade this radar in order to detect at least large ships at a range of about 200 km. This radar is only now being installed on helicopters and, due to the smallness of the antenna, it can detect air targets, stealth ships and anti-ship missiles very poorly. The short time of airborne duty (3 hours) and the duration of preparation for the new flight does not allow for the organization of the 24-hour Ka-27 duty.

As a result, the Navy is in dire need of developing a new early warning radar detection helicopter. It is possible to propose to develop an unmanned helicopter (UAV) weighing no more than 2 tons, which could provide detection of stealth ships and airplanes at a distance of 200 km, and anti-ship missiles at a distance of 65 km, and ensured the time of duty in the air 6-7 h. However The Defense Ministry is not interested in such proposals.

3. Destroyers build program

The Navy now has a dozen old destroyers aged from 25 to 40 years old, of which 8 are on the move. In modern fleets The destroyer is the main attack ship with a typical displacement of 6-10 thousand tons.

In 2009, the Leader shock destroyer construction program was announced. The project of the first destroyer with a displacement of 9 thousand tons was to be released by 2012 year. However, the design was delayed.

Due to the lack of an appropriate engine for the destroyer "Leader", it was decided to use an atomic remote control from an icebreaker on it. As a result, the displacement of the destroyer from the original 9 thousand tons increased to 17 thousand tons, that is, the destroyer began to approach the displacement of the Peter the Great cruiser. There was no money for the construction of such enormous ships at Minoborny, and now the destroyer has remained only on paper. But even in paper form, the stealth technology is clearly not adequately observed - the rotating radar antennas of obsolete types and the tilt of the sides outwards are preserved. In particular, the radar of the Kortik air defense missile system was developed 40 years ago and, not possessing high characteristics, significantly increases the ship's EPR. In addition, the presence of as many as five types of radar significantly increases the cost of the ship. The author offered options for the development of a unified range of radars, allowing to solve all the tasks of air defense and firing at naval targets, one radar, but this proposal was also ignored by the Ministry of Defense. In the state program of armaments GPV 2018-2027 construction of destroyers is not provided.

4. The program of building frigates

4.1. Frigate 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov"


In 2017, C.K. Shoigu said that we do not need to build large ocean ships, but it is enough to have the 22350 frigates, which will operate in the near-ocean zone. At the same time, it is claimed that the armament of this frigate with a displacement of 4,5 thousand tons is equivalent to the modern destroyer. Indeed, it also has anti-ship missiles, the Poliment-Redut air defense system, a hydroacoustic complex, and torpedo tubes, but all this equipment is inferior to the corresponding equipment of modern destroyers. The “Polyment-Redut” system is a ship version of the outdated C-350 system. At the same time, the “Polyment” radar itself has antennas in the form of four expensive phased arrays fixedly located on the edges of the superstructure. Each antenna sheet has a very large area - on the order of 10 м2. However, the long detection range in this radar can not be reached due to the fact that 3 is selected for it, see the wavelength range. The disadvantage of this range is a strong attenuation of radio waves in the clouds, fog and rain, when the distance to the target is greater than 100-200 km. But the main disadvantage of this radar is that it is not made multifunctional, that is, it is used only for tracking the targets and targeting them to missiles. Detection of air targets is done with the help of the Furke-4 radar with a rotating antenna. The antenna area of ​​this radar is also close to 10 m 2 and requires a powerful drive to rotate. In addition to these air defense radars, the ship is provided with the presence of the “Monument” radar, intended for viewing the water surface and targeting anti-ship missiles, as well as the Puma radar for adjusting artillery firing. The use of four radars shows that they were developed several decades ago, and do not correspond to the level of modern radar. For example, the “Poliment” radar could solve the “Monolith” and “Puma” radar tasks, and if the working wave length is equal to 6 cm, then the “Poliment” radar could replace all the 4 radar. The cost of the four radars installed significantly increases the cost of the ship. As a result, the price of the frigate is not much less than the price of a typical destroyer.

On this frigate there are torpedoes of caliber 324 mm, which are inferior to torpedoes of the main caliber 533 mm in range and speed. Apparently, the general overload of the frigate did not allow the use of heavy torpedoes.

The appearance of the frigate shows that the technology "stealth" is applied on it in an insufficient degree. Consequently, enemy aircraft will be able to detect it, but the number of missile launchers on this frigate is just 32, while on typical destroyers from 64 to 128. In the “Polyment-Redut” system the medium range 9М96 missiles with a range of 50 km are used. Enemy airplanes can launch anti-ship missiles (ASM) from 120-250 km ranges. This frigate will not be able to sustain a large number of enemy aircraft.

In addition to design defects, there are flaws in the installed equipment on the frigate. For example, the “Polyment-Redut” air defense system has not been able to pass state tests for the last five years, which is why the Admiral Gorshkov, founded in 2006, has not yet been incorporated into the fleet. During trial operation there was a serious breakdown of the diesel of the Kolomna plant, which is now undergoing major repairs.

As a result, the ship turned out to be expensive, and its fighting qualities are not high. Cruising range - 4 thousand miles is ensured only on a very slow economical course - 14 nodes. Displacement 4.5 thousand tons, in conditions of overloaded weapons, does not allow for the crew to create the same amenities as on destroyers. A heaving during ocean storms impairs the crew’s work and equipment’s accuracy. As a result, we conclude that the ship, which is declared the main strike ship of the Russian Navy, does not meet the current level. The high cost of the ship led to the fact that, despite the fact that the 2011-20 HPV provided for the construction of 8 frigates of this series, in the 2016 year it was announced that before the 2025, only 4 units would be built.

4.2. Cheaper frigates of the 11356 "Admiral Makarov" project

Simultaneously with the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" it was decided to build the 6 considerably cheaper frigates of the 11356 project "Admiral Makarov with a displacement of 3.6 ths. Tons. This project is an upgrade of frigates developed in the 90-s for the Indian Navy. The frigate 11356 is intended for the Black Sea Fleet and the display of the flag in the Mediterranean. Its combat capabilities are substantially less than those of Admiral Gorshkov. Therefore, this frigate will be able to demonstrate the flag next to the NATO bases only under the cover of any destroyers. The frigate used the “Shtil-1” air defense missile system, in which the ship’s version of the Buk complex was used, but the missile guidance radar present in the Buk missile system was not introduced into the Shtil-1 air defense system, apparently because of savings . As a result, the target designation ZURAM comes from the surveillance radar "Frigate-M2EM". The accuracy of target designation provided by this radar is significantly lower than that of the radar aimed at the missile system of the Buk air defense missile system; moreover, there will be nothing to make command correction of the missile defense system during the flight. Thus, in the “Shtil-1” air defense missile system, the SAM should itself be aimed at the target using its own semi-active homing head from the moment of launch. The illumination of the target is made by a special antenna installed on the ship. This method of guidance gives good results only when firing a single target. The semi-active method has a significant drawback - the SAM measures angles at the target, but does not measure the target range. When targeting, for example, a pair of targets flying at the same speed, the missile system is aimed at one of them that has a large EPR. In the course of the flight, the EPR of the targets is constantly changing (fluctuating) and the SAM can be re-targeted from one target to another, which can lead to the loss of tracking. The worst case occurs when the long-range goal has an ESR that is much larger than the nearest one. In this case, the missile will go to a big goal. For example, if the illumination beam accidentally hits a passenger plane, the missile defense system will change its focus. This happened with the Ukrainian C-200, shot down the Tu-154, and with the Malaysian Boeing is not all clear. The emergence of stealth aircraft will make it almost impossible to capture their self-guided missiles at the Zur because of the small size of their antennas. Consequently, aircraft of the F-35 type can be intercepted at ranges of no more than 10-15 km. That is, the guidance characteristics of the Shtil-1 air defense system will turn out to be significantly worse than the Buk air defense system.

A simplified hydroacoustic station was installed on this frigate, which will not allow it to detect the latest diesel submarines of NATO countries.

The first three frigates were received by the Ukrainian control units consisting of one economically driven turbine and one full-speed turbine, and for the next three, there are no remote control units now. Therefore, we decided to use two turbines of the same Russian-made average power instead of Ukrainian control centers. As a result, the efficiency of the remote control will significantly decrease. As a result, we find that the frigate, though turned out to be cheaper, but its quality fell proportionally. As a consolation, you can add that all six frigates planned for LG 2011-2020 will be built before the end of this program.

5. Corvette Building Program

To protect the coastal zone is required to have a large number of light and cheap ships. In the Russian Navy, 29 of obsolete ships of this type remained. Under the HPV 2011-2020, the construction of 35 corvettes was envisaged. To date, the 5 corvettes of the 20380 “Stereguschy” project have been put into operation with a displacement of 1.8 thousand tons. It is equipped with 8 anti-ship subsonic X-35 cruise missiles. The air defense system is provided by the Redut air defense system, but, just like the 11356 frigate, there is no radar for guided missiles. The missiles are given target designation from the surveillance radar "Furke-2". The missiles have an active homing vessel, but since the diameter of the missile shield housing is only 240 mm, the homing antenna turns out to be even smaller. Therefore, the target detection range is not very large, and the missile defense system must be brought to the target with good accuracy. This accuracy radar provides only non-maneuvering target. Even worse, the active GOS ZUR will detect stealth aircraft. The advantages of the ZRR “Redut” missile defense system in front of the “Shtil-1” air defense missile system will be the ability to distinguish a group target, as well as a smaller mass of the missile attack. Anti-submarine armament: despite the presence of a modern acoustic station Zarya, small torpedoes with a diameter of 324 mm are mounted on it, that is, the range of destruction of submarines will not be great.

The greatest disadvantage of the corvette is non-compliance with the technology "stealth". The presence of multiple antennas and an additional mast leads to the fact that the ship's ESR, compared with the ships of the Soviet projects, is reduced by only 3 times, which is unacceptably small.



The ship has a total of 12 launchers of missiles, so that alone a pair of aircraft can withstand the attack is difficult.

The first five corvettes managed to equip the diesel engine control unit of the German company NTU, five more corvettes were laid, but they already had to install diesel engines of the Kolomna plant, reconciled with their low reliability. Despite the shortcomings of this project, its developers were presented with state awards. To eliminate the identified deficiencies, the construction of the modernized project 20385 "Loud" began. Work was carried out to reduce the ship's EPR - the rear mast was eliminated and the number of protruding antennas was reduced. However, until the full implementation of the technology "stealth" is still far away. The X-35 anti-ship missiles were replaced with “Caliber-NK”, and the number of missile launcher containers was increased to 16. The cost of the ship also increased, which led to the limitation of the 20385 series to two pieces.

In 2016, it was decided to lay an even more modernized corvette of the 20386 project “Daring”. This time, the Ministry of Defense decided to classify its parameters from annoying Internet commentators, and the most controversial rumors circulate about it. Therefore, to make some opinion about him prematurely.

6. About the place of the Russian Navy in the world

At present, the question of the first place is not even being discussed, it is easier to say that the US Navy is superior to all the other Navy of the world in terms of quality and quantity, and, by the amount, tripled. Destroyer "Zamvolt" knowingly received the name "super destroyer." It perfectly fulfilled the requirements of technology "stealth". Removed all protruding antennas, artillery barrels and sides are made with a slope inward.



The newest radar with AFAR ZRK Indzhis provides air defense and missile defense. Two 155 mm caliber gun mounts have a wide range of projectiles from conventional to active jet with a range of 110 km. Information support is supported by a conventional helicopter and three helicopter UAVs. The main disadvantage of Zamvolt is the high price - $ 4 billion.

The real struggle takes place only in second place. Our main foreign customer, thanks to which, our shipbuilding did not perish in 90-s - China, has by now produced import substitution, and has refused from our ships. According to the total number of ships of the Chinese Navy significantly surpassed the Russian Navy. In terms of the quality of the ships, both fleets were approximately equal. China is completing the construction of a series of 13 medium-sized destroyers 052D with a standard displacement of 6 thousand tons. In terms of equipment, this destroyer resembles our frigate “Admiral Gorshkov”, but in terms of the total number of launchers - 128, it is far superior. In addition, the head heavy destroyer of a new series of 16 units, type 055, standard displacement, 10, thousand tons, was launched. This destroyer has already observed the stealth technology similar to the destroyer Zamvolt, except for the fact that the tilt of the sides has remained traditional. All destroyers are equipped with modern radars with active phased arrays, in which they, too, are superior to our ships. In 2017, the first aircraft carrier of Chinese construction, similar to our Admiral Kuznetsov, was launched, and there are plans to build more modern aircraft carriers with 5-6. Consequently, the question of second place in the world is also already resolved.

We were able to reach the third place in quantity, but not in quality. The famous purchase of two French Mistral is proof of this. They were bought in order to adopt advanced technologies. With a displacement of more than 20 thous. Tons, it is serviced by the crew of 160 people. The technical advantages include turning screws and a screw in the keel, which provide high maneuverability. Its cost is $ 0,5 billion, also less than the expected price of the Russian equivalent when it is created.

7. Proposed measures to improve competitiveness

It is necessary to develop methods that can significantly improve the efficiency of ships, but are not currently used on enemy ships.

• It is necessary to reduce the number of types of ships - to restore the production of destroyers of the ocean zone and abandon frigates.

• Develop a unified range of multi-function radar for ships of all types. Each of these radars should solve all the problems of air defense. For which it is proposed to use radars with AFAR operating in the 5-6 wavelength range, see.

• To improve the efficiency of the ships due to the joint processing of signals from the radar systems of the group of ships. To do this, it is necessary to develop a standard for ultra-high-speed communications between ships of the group using active phased arrays of radars. Hydroacoustic complexes will unite in the same way.

• Development of standards for covert transmission of information between ships while observing the general radio silence mode.

• Develop methods for suppressing radar heads of anti-ship missiles by sharing the EW group complexes.

• Development of DRLO UAV and UAV jammers.

• Develop a set of active-reactive and gas-generating projectiles for the main gunship destroyers.

• Development of methods for protection against enemy large-caliber projectiles.

I would like to carry out other work, but five years ago the financing of defense NIIR was reduced several times.

8. findings

An attempt to analyze the current state of shipbuilding in Russia leads to sad conclusions. Financing of surface shipbuilding is clearly not enough, so when some group manages to break through the design of their ship, then the appearance of this ship is determined according to the principle “not to be fat - I wish I could live.” After testing the first samples, the result, as a rule, remains unhappy. Starts upgrading the project. As a result, the number of types increases, and the series are very short, with a corresponding increase in the cost of ships and their operation.

Import substitution also plays a cruel joke with us. NATO design offices can choose any remote control, any manufacturer, up to the Chinese. The same is true of electronic components. In Russia, we have to develop everything ourselves. As a result, development time and cost increase significantly. To increase the seriality of the project could be due to export deliveries, but the traditional buyers of our ships - China and India, significantly reduced purchases. Consequently, it is possible to improve the situation in shipbuilding only by increasing the competitiveness of our ships, which requires applying a systematic approach and reducing the number of types. Unfortunately, all of the above our ships are not leaders in their classes. All attempts to send proposals to the Ministry of Defense to improve the quality of ships remain unanswered. Apparently, once allocated funding can not be canceled. The duration of the programmed funding period (10 years) leads to the fact that the new proposals by the time they begin their implementation are outdated.

The number of ships in the Russian Navy more than tripled compared with the times of the USSR. The newly introduced ships are only enough to compensate for the outgoing old ones, that is, the total number does not increase. The HPN 2011-20 program will obviously be executed on less than 50%.

In contrast to Russia, there is a major destroyer, Orly Burke, in the United States, released in more than 70 series. It is intended to continue production to more than 100 pieces. To oppose with this destroyer our four frigates “Admiral Gorshkov” is senseless. There are no frigates in the USA at all.

Almost 60 years ago N.S. Khrushchev said that the USSR bakes rockets like sausages. However, on the sly, they stopped the development of the Navy and even cut some ships on the stocks. According to the Chinese "Book of Changes" cycle stories repeated every 60 years. We wait.
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  1. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint April 25 2018 15: 05
    +2
    NTU? what kind of beast is this?
    1. aagor
      April 25 2018 17: 37
      +5
      Really a mistake. Firm MTU. Author.
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint April 25 2018 17: 51
        +1
        Now we recognize the beast)
        1. dSK
          dSK April 25 2018 21: 57
          +1
          According to the Chinese Book of Changes, repeating the cycle of historyevery 60 years. Author: Andrey Gorbachevsky
          Kondratieff's "long" economic cycles confirm - 60 - 70 years. In the "growing" phase, there are wars that unleash countries that are "technologically" ahead of others.
          1. Alber
            Alber April 25 2018 22: 15
            +7
            Quote: dsk
            According to the Chinese Book of Changes, repeating the cycle of historyevery 60 years. Author: Andrey Gorbachevsky
            Kondratieff's "long" economic cycles confirm - 60 - 70 years. In the "growing" phase, there are wars that unleash countries that are "technologically" ahead of others.

            There is little use for beeches ...
            The author needed to send this article to the Kremlin. Personally to Garant
      2. venik
        venik 3 May 2018 22: 47
        0
        Thank! The article is very interesting, although far from completely agree. But all too early, of course (+).
        I would like to clarify why you called the S-350 obsolete??? It seems he’s not even adopted yet !!
        1. mva
          mva 7 May 2018 15: 38
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          It is obsolete morally, at least according to the principles of the guidance system and, as a consequence, the inability to shoot down aircraft of generations 4+ and 5. If it was not accepted into service, this does not mean that it is not outdated. The army is mainly what was developed in the 80s and it is given out as a prodigy.
    2. Rhino
      Rhino April 30 2018 03: 57
      +2
      A mistake in one place in another, an occasion to think, - "Poliment-Redoubt air defense system is a ship's version of the obsolete S-350 air defense system," when did it manage to become obsolete?
  2. NIKNN
    NIKNN April 25 2018 15: 14
    +3
    Interesting article, thanks!
    Well, about
    Let them spend their military budget on.
    Spend little, let them increase speed, there is hope that from such a pace the machine that prints bucks will still break ... recourse
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 25 2018 15: 19
    +9
    Fleet financing is criminally inadequate and has been carried out all these years on a residual basis. And today we have what we have. The announced projects of the Leader destroyer, the new BDK, the new aircraft carrier, etc. remained only announcements and no more. In fact, we have no intelligible fleet renewal program. Shoigu said that the destroyers of the project 22350 and 22350M will be the basis of our fleets. And where is it? According to project 22350M, it is deaf like in a tank, and this project should at least somehow fill the niche of aging destroyers.
    On the underwater component, too, everything is not thankful to God. It is enough to look at the terms of the construction of Ash-trees or at the project of the Lada submarine with VNEU.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 25 2018 18: 43
      +5
      Quote: NEXUS
      Fleet financing is criminally inadequate and has been carried out all these years on a residual basis. And today we have what we have

      The USSR in the best years could not afford to finally remove the last pants from the people. And today we have to change the structure of the Navy. Although Russia "... is our great power ...", the Atlantic is far away for us, and our marine "backyard" in the Pacific is covering China, to which the marine component is an order of magnitude more important than the land. In fact, China is repeating the path of Japan on the eve of World War II.
      If we bring Kuzya to the mind - to repulse with a good repair of the hull, to modernize the power plant (there are only boilers of the Krylov system - such a headache ...), then, with the appropriate support from the AHG, he is led by a very strong naval fist.
      Today's bet on small- and medium-sized fleets is not from a good life. But, given the marked progress in the development of carriers of all types, including sea-based, the size of the ships began to lose importance. As an example - the dreadnoughts, armadillos and battleships that have gone nowhere, are a very good target.
      hi
      1. gig334
        gig334 April 28 2018 02: 36
        +1
        [quote = stalkerwalker] [quote = NEXUS] Today's bet on small- and medium-sized fleets is not from a good life. But, given the marked progress in the development of carriers of all types, including sea-based, ship sizes began to lose value. As an example - the dreadnoughts, armadillos and battleships that have gone nowhere, are a very good target.
        hi[/ Quote]
        They didn’t start, it’s easier to sink a small ship than a destroyer or a cruiser. A frigate or corvette can be destroyed with a single missile, it will not work with a destroyer or cruiser. In addition, if you rely on small ships, frigates and corvettes, then their number should exceed the number of enemy destroyers at least twice .. In our country, corvette frigates are being built at a snail's pace. A frigate of pots has been under construction for more than 5 years; it is not ready for a redoubt.
      2. mva
        mva 7 May 2018 15: 43
        0
        Kuzyu can not be brought to mind, just write off. How do you place a catapult on it? And without it, it’s a toy, a plane tucked in and with a full combat load cannot fly in, I'm not talking about the eyes (DRO). And how will he go on a long trip? Behind him, the convoy of tankers needs to be taoyt :(
  4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 25 2018 15: 34
    +14
    The number of ships in the Russian Navy has more than tripled compared with the times of the USSR. The newly introduced ships are only enough to compensate for the retiring old ones, that is, the total number does not increase.

    If ... The reduction in numbers is just landslide, which is there three times. The newly introduced ships are not enough to support the number within 2015 g
  5. andrewkor
    andrewkor April 25 2018 16: 18
    +4
    What is the debate and where? At VO, everything is for a mighty and balanced fleet, along with other types of Russian Armed Forces! Is anyone against it? This article is to the government "in the ears" or to the Supreme on the table! Will there be oil again for 120, then we will dream?
  6. Tests
    Tests April 25 2018 17: 10
    +4
    Clarification! "Admiral Nakhimov" is under repair in the city of Severodvinsk, Arkhangelsk region on SEVMASH. North Shipyard in St. Petersburg. Kuzyu is planned to be repaired at one of the Zvyozdochka branches in the Murmansk Region.
  7. turbris
    turbris April 25 2018 18: 14
    +6
    The author still lives in the USSR and continues to measure his places with the US Navy, not taking into account the completely different tasks facing the US Navy and Russia. Even with his overly enthusiastic assessment of the Stealth technology, an effective dispersion area of ​​10-15 square meters of surface ships, it is quite possible to aim RCC on these ships from various carriers. Therefore, I do not consider his assessment to be professional, maybe he was developing radars, which he currently considers obsolete, but in all other respects there is a simple statement of facts that have long been known on the problems of ship engines, which is now being resolved by all means. Of course, while the Kolomna diesel engine may not have such reliability as German, but everything is ahead, there are no limits for perfection. Well, and the requirement to invest more money in the construction of surface ships generally causes a grin, can the author also tell you where to get them, without significant expropriations?
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 April 25 2018 22: 28
      +4
      Quote: turbris
      The author still lives in the USSR and

      If he lived in the USSR at all, yeah.
      Quote: turbris
      Therefore, I don’t consider professional his assessment,

      Duc, quite rightly do not think so. hi
      Quote: turbris
      Well, the requirement to invest more money in the construction of surface ships generally causes a grin,

      Yes, a crooked grin. laughing The mockery of the transition to the bydlyatsky laughter is caused by the "highlight" of the article - the final ode to the "iron", yeah. Involuntarily, there is a feeling that for the sake of this paragraph this opus was conceived. yes
      1. Cyrus
        Cyrus April 30 2018 20: 47
        +1
        And besides bl .... th laughter there is something intelligible to say?
    2. the most important
      the most important April 26 2018 21: 59
      +7
      Quote: turbris
      Well, and the requirement to invest more money in the construction of surface ships generally causes a grin, can the author also tell you where to get them, without significant expropriations?

      World Cup gobbled up 10 aircraft carriers ... A lover of country residences with ducks destroyed 10 destroyers .... Rusnano - 10 Varshavyank ... Continue? And over a hundred billionaires on what did capital do? On your mind or on bribes? Colonel Zakharchenko - 9 billion! and the generals then how much is hidden ???
      1. Alecsandr
        Alecsandr April 28 2018 18: 25
        0
        While such termites gnaw at the state tree, there is nothing to hope for. They are not going to live on this tree. Then they hope to crawl to another
    3. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov 10 May 2018 18: 26
      0
      > while the Kolomna diesel engine may not have such reliability

      never will be so write
  8. kit88
    kit88 April 25 2018 18: 15
    +5
    Fleet is an expensive toy.
    At this stage, as I understand it, we are not talking about the development of the Navy. Only keeping afloat so as not to lose frames and technically not to fall behind, so that in the future, when opportunities arise, to build a powerful fleet.
    Now we can invest in the nuclear triad - there is parity. We can strengthen our ground forces, we can build new aircraft, air defense systems, develop missile weapons. There will be money for all this, at least expensively, but firstly - it is necessary for the defense of the country, and secondly - the budget will pull out. The very existence of Russia as a state depends on all this.
    And the fleet, of course, is important, but does not play a leading role in the defense of the country. It will be important when we become not only defending, but also attacking. That's when you need a powerful argument on the ocean theater.
    Now we can not build their own X-NUMX tikandorog, 20 arliberk and ten aircraft carriers. And to build less - it makes no sense.
    Let's wait. 20-30 years ...
    1. Cyrus
      Cyrus April 30 2018 20: 48
      0
      Well, considering that our main enemy is sitting overseas ...
    2. mva
      mva 7 May 2018 15: 52
      0
      What frames to save? Where do they come from? With such salaries, the majority of personnel have already sailed away from there, that's why we are building new ships from the developments of the 80s, but nothing fundamentally new. Maximum harness to shift to a new place (no more brains or money), you give after that for the child prodigy and cut down the loot. And how, the author of the article is going to implement the probably correct development concept outlined above, I don’t understand.
  9. lance
    lance April 25 2018 18: 24
    +2
    I disagree with the author at all. interests of the Russian Federation in the seas and oceans from the beginning decompose, and then conclusions. Yes, the transition to frigates is needed, but the Baltic, Black Sea Fleet, and TF near tasks are more important today, which means the MRC is out of the situation with a meager budget.
    1. link
      link April 26 2018 12: 14
      +1
      In our country, domestic and foreign policies are determined by Gazprom and Rosneft. First, they started a war in Syria to block the Qatari gas route to Europe and to raise oil prices. It succeeded. Now they will look for oil and gas in the northern seas. The stocks of this raw material, offshore oil rigs and tankers must be protected. That's what the fleet is for ...
      1. Dron78rus
        Dron78rus April 26 2018 21: 33
        +1
        First started a war in Syria,
        Who, sorry, started? You still write that ISIS from the FSB is controlled!
        1. mva
          mva 7 May 2018 15: 54
          0
          Have we fought ISIS in Syria? The main opponent was the Assad’s opposition, and they fought with it, and ISIS sometimes between times.
      2. Alecsandr
        Alecsandr April 28 2018 18: 29
        0
        That's for sure. No wonder they started talking about the Arctic
      3. Cyrus
        Cyrus April 30 2018 20: 49
        0
        By the way, these offices could finance the fleet ..
  10. Tomato
    Tomato April 25 2018 18: 52
    +3
    Russia is a continental power. And the fleet was never a priority. Napoleonic plans in this area are a waste of money.
    Suffice it to recall the 1st World War. Huge amounts of money were spent on battleships that made a zero contribution. And the army suffered from chronic underfunding, with all the ensuing consequences.
    1. aagor
      April 25 2018 21: 49
      +6
      Fleet is not needed? Maybe Tsushima remember? Author
      1. Tomato
        Tomato April 25 2018 22: 25
        +3
        The fleet is needed. Which does not crash its own economy. By the way, the example of Tsushima - one episode of the Russo-Japanese War is very helpful. Vividly demonstrates what exorbitant ambitions and hatred lead to.
      2. icant007
        icant007 April 27 2018 23: 46
        +1
        The fleet is needed. But you need to be able to use it. Tsushima is just an example of the incompetent use of the fleet.
    2. Seaflame
      Seaflame April 25 2018 22: 14
      +3
      But what about the underwater component of our nuclear triad - the nuclear submarine (SSBN)? And in order for the nuclear submarine to go on combat duty, it must be escorted, covered from the same anti-submarine aircraft. So the surface fleet is important, including in the strategic component of nuclear deterrence. The derogatory attitude towards the fleet is really surprising ...
      1. Tomato
        Tomato April 25 2018 22: 22
        +1
        Of course. Who denies it. Only attempts to "catch up and overtake" have already been made in the USSR. By the way, how is he there?
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 April 25 2018 22: 34
          +2
          Quote: Tomatoes
          (Ivan Pomidorov) Vividly demonstrates what exorbitant ambitions and hatred lead to.

          That's right. Naked show-offs are not doing well. As there is in a good old song about you: "Stop talking, our trump card is terror !!!" laughing hi
        2. Seaflame
          Seaflame April 26 2018 13: 50
          +2
          Catch up and overtake?)) In recent years, three frigates (Admiral series) in the Black Sea Fleet have joined the Navy. The long-suffering "Gorshkov" on the way ... This is a guard and not "catching up and overtaking" ... About 70 destroyers, no one talks.
  11. Operator
    Operator April 25 2018 19: 01
    +2
    Damn, how much can you listen to the same cry of Yaroslavna - I want 100500 sailing frigates laughing

    The Russian Navy pro.ral the First and Second World Wars, now it wants to pro.rat the Third.

    Unmanned "Poseidons" with a displacement of 40 tons each is the maximum that the Russian Navy should count on.
    1. Seaflame
      Seaflame April 26 2018 13: 53
      +1
      Do not forget. Which, unlike the 1st and 2nd World War, the current fleet (we are talking about the nuclear submarine-SSBN) is part of the country's atomic triad, which plays a strategic role in the country's security. This is not Mlyn tanks for you ...
      1. Operator
        Operator April 26 2018 14: 41
        0
        So I’m saying that, without exception, all strike and missile-carrying nuclear submarines, as well as Kuznetsov, cruisers, destroyers, frigates, diesel-electric submarines, landing ships and supply ships, must be sent for scrap ..

        As part of the Russian Navy, only coastguards and minesweepers should be left, as well as Poseidon (for twice the number of coastal megacities of foreign countries) and Husky nuclear submarines - their carriers ..
        1. Seaflame
          Seaflame April 26 2018 18: 43
          +2
          Do you need to be told on the fingers that the nuclear submarine goes on combat duty should it be escorted? And also the confrontation of the nuclear submarine SSBN of the potential enemy? And here it turns out you need BOD, destroyers. To paint further or already an adult, do you understand? The Navy, naval aviation should be at their best once we want to be an independent state!
          1. Operator
            Operator April 26 2018 20: 19
            0
            On horseradish we surrendered shock nuclear submarine type "Roaring Cow", which also need to be escorted?

            But it’s time to send SSBNs to the furnace — they graze in the coastal bastions, only they eat money, for which the Sarmatians and the mines can be done an order of magnitude more.

            It’s as if you were born yesterday - we are on combat duty on the ZHIRLS “Container” with the detection range of surface ships in 6000 km and in the ARC “Dagger” with a range in the single-stage variant 2000 km, in the two-stage 5500 km, and you are all about “the times of Ochakov and conquest of Crimea "(MPA) bully
  12. Cannonball
    Cannonball April 25 2018 20: 37
    +2
    we will call destroyers ships of the ocean zone with a standard displacement of about 8 thousand tons, frigates - ships of about 4 thousand tons for the near ocean zone, corvettes - ships of the near sea and two hundred miles sea zone of about 2 thousand tons.

    Incorrect classification.

    The destroyer is a multi-purpose long-range combat ship designed to deal with submarines, aircraft (including missiles) and enemy ships, as well as to protect and defend ship formations or convoys of ships during passage by sea, to conduct reconnaissance and sentinel services, artillery support during the landing and for the installation of minefields.
    Displacement from 3000 to 10 tons.

    A frigate is a multi-purpose long-range combat ship designed to search for and destroy submarines, anti-submarine guards, air defense and missile defense of ship formations or ship convoys at any distance from the coast.
    Displacement from 1500 to 6 tons.

    Corvette is a coastal multi-purpose combat ship intended for patrol and convoy service, anti-submarine and air defense of a ship’s formation (convoy) and naval bases.
    Displacement from 400 to 2 tons.
  13. Lex.
    Lex. April 25 2018 20: 38
    +4
    Author: Andrey Gorbachevsky
    It seems that this "expert" and the reaper and dude player only that he spoke about the Tu-160 that he is not needed
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm April 25 2018 21: 18
      +6
      Quote: Lex.
      Author: Andrey Gorbachevsky
      It seems that this "expert" and the reaper and dude player only that he spoke about the Tu-160 that he is not needed

      Author
      For example, in the Northern Shipyard, in order to take a ship to the factory pool, it will be necessary to expand the gate and deepen the bottom. In addition, this pool is busy repairing another heavy cruiser, Admiral Nakhimov.

      The author confuses the Northern Shipyard with Sevmash. The Northern shipyard is the one in St. Petersburg and Sevmash to Severodvinsk, and here in Sevmash they are modernizing Nakhimov.

      Here is the author in that pool about which you remembered riveting an aircraft carrier for the Indians.
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 26 2018 08: 47
        0
        Quote: Author
        Due to a lack of money, a proposal appeared to build a light aircraft carrier with a displacement of 30-40 thousand tons, ...

        further there in general, someone drunk wrote from Skolokovo laughing
        light aircraft carrier this
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Чакри_Нарубет_(авиа
        nose)
        displacement: 11 485 t (full)
        The author takes 20,000 for something unmanned
  14. seos
    seos April 25 2018 22: 57
    0
    The question arises - can we replace the aircraft carriers with helicopter carriers and will it be an equivalent replacement ...
    As the author noted above, the KA-27 with the AFAR radar has a detection range of the destroyer 200km, most likely the KA-52K will have slightly lesser char. target detection, but possess the ability to deal with different goals (surface and air).
    Unlike the author, I’m not a specialist in radar, but I read that a helicopter is a more difficult target for long and medium-range air defense systems ... also in a battle with fighters, they attack him with missiles with a thermal seeker (because in the hovering mode the helicopter is almost invisible on the radar)
    If the above is true, then the helicopter carriers with KA-27 and KA-52K are the very modern technology capable of repeatedly strengthening our fleet.
    Also according to information from open sources - the corps catamaran и trimaran scheme they have great seaworthiness and, with equal power of the power plant, develop greater speed due to less resistance ... the development of corvettes and frigates with such hulls makes sense ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 26 2018 01: 33
      +2
      Quote: seos
      As the author noted above, the KA-27 with the AFAR radar has a detection range of the destroyer 200km, most likely the KA-52K will have slightly lesser char. target detection, but possess the ability to deal with different goals (surface and air).

      Let’s not give helicopters functions that they don’t have and cannot have. A DRLO helicopter is completely empty in aerial combat, as the radar is too weak. Attack helicopters were never intended to be used in combat with aircraft; this is a bit of suicide. In naval combat, they are useless from the word "generally", because they have a meager range by the standards of aviation and combat load. That is, a helicopter is a good tool if the enemy does not have any aircraft at all, but if there is one, then put out the light and drain the oil
      Quote: seos
      I, unlike the author, is not a specialist in radar, but I read that a helicopter is a more difficult target for long and medium-range air defense systems ...

      Is not.
      Quote: seos
      also in a battle with fighters, they attack him with missiles from a thermal seeker (because in the hover mode the helicopter is almost invisible on the radar)

      This was true for 70 radars of the last century.
      Quote: seos
      the hulls of the catamaran and trimaran circuits have greater seaworthiness and, with equal powers of the power plant, develop greater speed due to less resistance ... the development of corvettes and frigates with such hulls makes sense ...

      It doesn’t. Because the catamaran and trimaran hull are always much heavier and more expensive than the “single hull” hull, respectively, the kata or trimaran will have less payload than a single hull of equal displacement. And there is a gain in speed, but - at the cost of increased fuel consumption in the economic, non-speed mode. So the game is not worth the candle.
      I’m silent that the survivability of a trimaran in battle is minuscule
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 26 2018 09: 24
        0
        there are AWACS based on convertiplanes and trimaranny LCS
  15. 320423
    320423 April 25 2018 22: 57
    0
    "In 2013, Ukraine was supposed to conclude an agreement with the European Union. Therefore, D.O. Rogozin began to make intensive trips around Ukraine and give promises about the bulk purchase of turbines for helicopters and ships, and even promised to restore the abandoned Nikolaev shipyards and place orders for them. In 2014 a year after the well-known events, these plans collapsed. As a result, instead of getting high-quality Ukrainian turbines and diesel engines of the German company NTU, we were forced to import-replace the remote control of all ships under construction "after this libel stopped reading, I read fiction on literary sites.
    1. kig
      kig April 26 2018 02: 06
      +2
      The fact that these ships were supposed to install MTU diesel engines is a fact. The fact that after the Crimea these diesel engines became inaccessible to us is also a fact. Also figs showed Ukrainian gas turbines. So where where did you see fiction?
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 26 2018 08: 31
        0
        and on Russian submarines what is it?
        1. kig
          kig April 26 2018 08: 42
          +1
          There are just our diesel engines. But you do not need to compare, for the destroyer you need completely different capacities than for submarines.
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 26 2018 08: 50
            0
            on those that are atomic laughing it's actually harder
            1. kig
              kig April 26 2018 10: 55
              0
              Anyway, there are diesel generators there ... emergency ... and also of our production smile
  16. ilik54
    ilik54 April 26 2018 04: 06
    +4
    The military machine of Russia has become a high-tech system for destroying the enemy anywhere in the world, and all this happens without straining and with small forces. And aircraft carriers are yesterday, they will soon die like dinosaurs or like mammoths. And, indeed, why create such a miracle of technology with billions of investments if it can be destroyed by a dozen modern missiles? Russia is a land power that does not wage colonial wars, so let's create here and now weapons that will be a cut above in terms of technology and everything will be fine.
    There, the Americans, after the next blow of the Kyrgyz Republic to Syria, did not understand that their era with the AUG ended in Soviet times. In fact, aircraft carriers have always been used against an enemy with a low technological culture, in fact, against tribes with stone bows and stone arrows, well, at best, against small arms, and when they encounter an enemy equal to them or weapons superior to them in technological condition, here they are losing hard. Realization of the catastrophic failure came only to a few professionals and this is good - even if they are all in the happy ignorance of their frank weakness and worthlessness.
    1. kig
      kig April 26 2018 04: 37
      +4
      Missiles were launched from destroyers, submarines and aircraft. How did you manage to connect this with the “sunset of the era of aircraft carriers”?
  17. Amateur
    Amateur April 26 2018 09: 39
    0
    "Development of standards for covert information transfer between ships subject to the general regime of radio silence." What is it like? flags? The fact of ANY broadcast of ANY radio transmitter (all-connected, locator, etc., regardless of the encoding system) is detected by the receiving device at a time many times greater than the range of such a system. There are laser radar systems, but they require complex alignment and on a swinging platform are hardly possible
    1. aagor
      April 26 2018 17: 24
      0
      To transmit information between two ships using radar antennas, it is enough to have a transmitter power of several microwatts. No enemy radio intelligence can detect this transmission unless it directly hits the transmitter beam, and at a distance of no more than 50 km. Author.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 26 2018 19: 44
        0
        Thank! Or maybe a milliwatt? And at what frequency? And with what D antenna? Or 1/4 pin? But what about the adjustment? or just calm?
        1. aagor
          April 26 2018 22: 38
          0
          No, not mW, but µW. Antenna area over 1 square meters. The wavelength range of 5-6, see. Adjustment is automatic with any agitation. The transfer rate is 1 Mbps. Transmission distance to 20 km. Author.
  18. megadeth
    megadeth April 26 2018 10: 11
    0
    Previously, for such articles here they planted ..., so for 14 years, for the disclosure of TTX.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 14: 31
      0
      Previously, all such power, well, almost all, would have been put on the wall for the fact that this "our" power had surrendered to the country.
  19. Vasya Svoyakov
    Vasya Svoyakov April 26 2018 10: 53
    0
    As long as there is a bomb, you can sleep relatively calmly. In general, of course, after such articles, I want to return to the past and adjust the future!
    1. iouris
      iouris April 26 2018 11: 40
      +1
      Quote: Vasya Svoyakov
      I want to return to the past and adjust the future!

      The opposite is true: the future has been “adjusted” to bring us back 300 years.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 4 May 2018 14: 25
        0
        The common dream of all mankind is to go back and live right. Alas! ... We must deal with the present, so that in the future (if it takes place, and this is not a scientific fact), one should not have to lament the past.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 14: 29
      0
      It’s vigorous, vigorous. But will the Supreme finger press the terrible button? Personally, I doubt it. Okay, I need the crazy states to not doubt it, but what if they doubt it there? And they will decide to attack us with the whole West.
  20. Akabos
    Akabos April 26 2018 12: 28
    0
    The way out of this situation would be the development of an aircraft-carrying destroyer. The author developed the concept of such a destroyer with a displacement of 15 thousand tons, which accommodates up to 35 unmanned aircraft weighing 2 tons.


    Can you give more details? The same idea hasn’t been abandoned by me recently,

    In the end, it’s just a simple cheap and massive weapon that is always the most effective.
    Attacking Drones will essentially be reusable first stages of missiles with the possibility of reconnaissance.
    And the defensive sides of such a ship are very interesting, the ability to continuously keep their vehicles in the air 24/7 to search for submarines, and for radar reconnaissance, electronic warfare, quadrocopters, remote radars, and even underwater drones. Such a ship would be very interesting.
    1. aagor
      April 26 2018 17: 30
      0
      I can send you a copy of my proposals for the destroyer sent to the Ministry of Defense. You can drop your e-mail in private messages. Author
  21. Radikal
    Radikal April 26 2018 17: 56
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    Fleet financing is criminally inadequate and has been carried out all these years on a residual basis. And today we have what we have. The announced projects of the Leader destroyer, the new BDK, the new aircraft carrier, etc. remained only announcements and no more. In fact, we have no intelligible fleet renewal program. Shoigu said that the destroyers of the project 22350 and 22350M will be the basis of our fleets. And where is it? According to project 22350M, it is deaf like in a tank, and this project should at least somehow fill the niche of aging destroyers.
    On the underwater component, too, everything is not thankful to God. It is enough to look at the terms of the construction of Ash-trees or at the project of the Lada submarine with VNEU.

    We have all types and types of troops (exception-Strategic Missile Forces) are supplied according to the residual principle - first of all, we arm other people's armies. sad
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 14: 21
      0
      It is necessary to mature in the root - is this power necessary? I think not, the task of these is to carry out an urgent-patriotic pumping up of the population, vilely using the relic remnants of the Soviet and greatness of the USSR, using everything up to the Great Victory in the Patriotic War.
  22. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin April 26 2018 18: 48
    +1
    Without going into details, I would like to say how true, but there is always something that stops.
    1. you must understand that modern Russia is not a match for the USSR,
    2. You can not compare production capacity,
    3. Present-day Russia has not yet restored its production potential, against the restoration of which clear and secret measures are being taken
    4. etc. etc.
    5. We continue to work, another is not given.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 14: 17
      0
      Quote: Shaikin Vladimir
      3. Present-day Russia has not yet restored its production potential, against the restoration of which clear and secret measures are being taken

      Good point! The question is that these events are carried out by precisely this “our” authority. Who destroyed and destroys the remnants of our military-industrial complex - "ours" (I never voted for him) and "our" government, that's who does it all. And there is still a new wave of privatization (destruction!) Of the remaining effective enterprises of the military-industrial complex.
  23. Rud
    Rud April 27 2018 14: 50
    0
    Ameri’s carriers carry only Bosat, and we have a hell, the Mistral wouldn’t hurt right now, who drove there that the country didn’t need them ?! Our bases would have been reset long ago if ... Not the submarines that are in the Mediterranean, in the quiet, Atlantic, but it’s already apr, the main deterrent to the war.
  24. BOPOH50
    BOPOH50 April 28 2018 00: 45
    +1
    I already wrote (in another topic) that aircraft carriers are a means to cut the budget, the future belongs to hypersonic drones, yes yes, not to shock missiles, but to hypersonic drones, which can be multifunctional, both naturally shock and to ensure the passage of enemy missile defense and for the Navy it’s more important to develop a submarine fleet that could attack anyone from great depths, naturally without a crew, and can be controlled remotely like drones, and controlled by AI for a specific operation.
  25. NordUral
    NordUral 4 May 2018 14: 12
    0
    I, a simple techie and amateur, constantly tormented by the thought - is our leadership capable at all? And if they are capable, are they not enemies of the people?
    Constant throwing from grandiose plans to complete silence to a new surge of manilism. We’d only dream of it, but all these projects gobble up a lot of people's money (not the thief oligarchs will finance the defense), they also scatter so scarce opportunities, both in development and in production. And all this under the joyful cries of liberal-patriots about the grandiose successes in the field of rearmament of the country.
    And it’s dreary at heart of all this, it’s not clear what is ahead, maybe all new weapons will never be used in battle (which is already good - it means they have fulfilled their role), but where is this confidence that we, once a superpower in the military and scientific and industrial plan capable of this? Putin’s cartoons are somehow not impressive, as are the statements in their reliability of the near-power party that all this is the holy truth, and the devil (States) are not afraid of us. Scary, to be honest. In conventional armaments, the West as a whole is much superior to us, and Putin and the liberals will never use nuclear weapons (their children in the very West live for everything else) and surrender us either for slaughter or simply surrender.
    Many thanks to the author for the informative and, alas, sad review of the affairs of our mournful!
    I hope that there are analysts in power who can evaluate the work of such specialists and convey to the authorities. Although I have no hopes for this power, it is not our power of thieves and traitors. Okay, they themselves left this organized criminal group in power, some by stupidity or gullibility, who simply did not come to the polls. So we have what we have. The Word and the Cause cannot come together at one point.