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An-70 plus foreign components. Ukraine showed An-77

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Ukrainian concern "Antonov" showed in social networks the departure of the prototype military transport aircraft An-77 at an air show in Turkey.


An-70 plus foreign components. Ukraine showed An-77


In the period from 25 to 29 on April 2018, the SE Antonov will participate in the Eurasia-2018 international air show, which will be held in Antalya, Turkey. An-178 and An-77 medium transport aircraft will be demonstrated at the static parking and in the demonstration flight program. They arrived in Turkey 22 April.

According to the developers, the aircraft can carry heavy and heavy military equipment, helicopters, personnel.

It is noted that the An-77 is a turboprop medium military transport aircraft, an upgraded version of the Russian short-take-off and landing An-70 transport aircraft for CFM56-5А1 engines and avionics of global manufacturers. The latter was created by Ukraine in cooperation with Russia, which supplied Antonov with up to 90 percent of aircraft components. After the cessation of military-technical cooperation between Russia and Ukraine, work on the An-70 was stopped.

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  1. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 24 2018 16: 34
    +10
    And what will happen to mass production of aircraft? In Europe, such a competitor is not needed, and in Ukraine, buyers are without money.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 24 2018 16: 41
      +19
      Quote: Sergey985
      In Europe, such a competitor is not needed, and in Ukraine, buyers are without money.

      They can offer it to the same Saudi Arabia, as they did with the An-132 ...
      The latter was created by Ukraine in cooperation with Russia, which supplied Antonova up to 90 percent of aircraft components. After the cessation of military-technical cooperation between Russia and Ukraine, work on the An-70 was curtailed.
      I very much doubt that there are no Russian components in this “prototype”, something tells me that this is the second, unfinished An-70, which, there, was replaced with a western one and was now given out for a “new” plane ... .
      That's who we answered, for the money spent on this plane, for the inept time spent. As a result, when we really need it, we simply do not have such an aircraft and it is not known when it will be.
      1. VIT101
        VIT101 April 24 2018 17: 43
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        That's who we answered, for the money spent on this plane, for the inept time spent. As a result, when we really need it, we simply do not have such an aircraft and it is not known when it will be.


        Reasonable question. Most likely, no one will answer. And the plane is excellent. In terms of take-off and landing characteristics, economy, the size of the cargo compartment, our 76th is not a competitor to him.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 April 24 2018 16: 49
      +9
      Quote: Sergey985
      And what will happen to mass production of aircraft?

      Antonov promotes the AN 178 and AN 77 programs in the Middle East and Central Asia. Sheikhs will give money and everything will be fine with mass production. Are they dumber than us?
      1. figwam
        figwam April 24 2018 17: 02
        +2
        The plane was designed in the 80s, it’s been flying for 25 years, it’s probably a matter of retirement.
        1. Gene Concrete
          Gene Concrete April 24 2018 17: 33
          +4
          Do not remind me when the IL76 was designed there, in 40 years it is not outdated to restore production or standards?
          1. figwam
            figwam April 24 2018 17: 49
            +4
            Gene Concrete

            Also outdated. Therefore, they made a new IL-76, with a new reinforced chassis, control system, fuel system, communication system, wing, engine, cabin. As a result, we get a new plane from the old one, we combined youth with reliability.
      2. Astoria
        Astoria April 24 2018 17: 07
        0
        Are they dumber than us?
        :
        1) sheikhs;
        2) the remains of Antonov;
        3) potential buyers.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 April 24 2018 17: 24
          +11
          Sheikhs and potential buyers know how to count money. Who told you about the "remains of Antonov"? Our media? An 178 and An 70 (An77) are good cars, and if there is Western avionics and dviguny, financing, so they will find a market. We don’t have anything like it yet, and when the Ilyushin’s five-year plan passes on the wing. hi
          1. lazy
            lazy April 24 2018 17: 34
            +8
            the most important thing in your remark "if they are .." what is there with the an-132? An -70 would have been in the series for a long time if the Ukrainians hadn’t twisted their tail and flirted with the Airbus, the 70 was not in the series for the Airbus a400, even the An-140 and An 148 were produced in Russia and often under Russian orders. and if you think that about the “Antonov’s remnants” they lie, tell us about his real situation, how many planes did he launch last year in Ukraine?
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 April 24 2018 17: 44
              +6
              Quote: lazy
              what's with the an-132? An -70 would have been in the series for a long time if the Ukrainians hadn’t twisted their tail and flirted with Airbus

              If yes, it would interfere. The cost of A 400m is 153 million euros, orders are already on 180 boards. the cost of AN 70 is about $ 70 million. Throw on new components and round up to $ 100 Lyam. There is a difference?
              Sheikhs will invest, there is export potential.
              1. proletarian
                proletarian April 24 2018 19: 49
                +7
                there is no one to build from and from what, besides, “Antonov” de facto left “horns and legs”.
                1. helmi8
                  helmi8 April 24 2018 21: 01
                  +4
                  Quote: proletarian
                  there’s nobody to build and from what, besides “Antonov” de facto there were “horns and legs”

                  KB Antonov is now almost the whole composition in China. And they are building a plant there. So these planes will most likely be produced by the Chinese, but already under their own brand ...
                  In Pucheng County (Weinan, Shaanxi Province) on an area of ​​124 square kilometers, the construction of the Luyanghu Modern Open Industrial Area is nearing completion, where two thousand employees of the Ukrainian Antonov Design Bureau will live and work with family members.

                  http://gosnovosti.com/2017/07/украинский-концерн-
                  Antonov-moving /
              2. gurzuf
                gurzuf April 24 2018 20: 59
                +2
                So, are there sheikhs invested or will invest, or maybe be invested?
              3. Astoria
                Astoria April 24 2018 21: 05
                0
                Maybe 100, or maybe more. But of course there is a difference, this is a service, airbus has a service. Yes, of course - what can be outsourced, well then ...
              4. svp67
                svp67 April 25 2018 11: 25
                0
                Quote: kapitan92
                Throw on new components and round up to $ 100 Lyam. There is a difference?

                Of course there is, since the "new" ones are spare parts from Western companies, in exchange for Russian ones, especially engines and avionics, well, not as a 30% plus to the price, but more, much more. Especially, considering that 180 boards are on order, this aircraft will only be dreamed of in dreams., Which means that the price of components will be higher
              5. lazy
                lazy April 25 2018 16: 02
                +1
                I really hope that the glorious KB Antonova will survive. but excuse your "sheikhs will invest", reminds "the west will help us" ostap bender. they haven’t invested since the age of 91, but now they are trampling ...
              6. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by April 27 2018 13: 13
                0
                Sheikhs not only count money, but also know how to read. And about the history of Pakistani, Iranian and Taiwan tank deliveries from Ukraine probably heard. So if mass production will be, then only on the territory of sheikhs. What good is this for Ukraine?
          2. Astoria
            Astoria April 24 2018 20: 59
            +3
            1)
            Sheikhs and potential buyers know how to count money. Who told you about the "remains of Antonov"? Our media? An 178 and An 70 (An77) are good cars, and if there is Western avionics and dviguny, financing, so they will find a market.
            - Well, you are in a hurry: Antonov eliminated; Kiva realized that there was nothing to catch and fled to the Azerbaijanis; who heads what remains - the former director of KhTZ, what they do - are trying to get advances.
            2) Just no one counted the money, no one knows how much an airplane with Western components and near-zero reputation will cost. While there is a desire for the sheikhs to buy another toy.
            3) A factory for production - no, based on memoranda, it should begin to be built in 19 year.
            4) Estimated production time from 21 years, and then either the donkey will die ...
      3. AlexYa
        AlexYa April 24 2018 17: 30
        +1
        Indeed, they (sheikhs), what, dumber than us? They don’t know how to count money?
      4. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener April 24 2018 21: 08
        0
        There is one not frail competitor who holds these sheikhs for their ..... ahem. In general, holds. wink
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 24 2018 17: 40
      +1
      Airbus competitors-xliks crush in the bud.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 24 2018 18: 07
        +2
        Airbus - no. They have expensive transporters
        and moody.
        And Americans C-130 has less payload.
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener April 24 2018 21: 14
          +1
          Lifting capacity is less, it's true. But the ability to persuade to buy their equipment is very high. Like a house manager from the movie "Diamond Arm" wink
          1. Avis-bis
            Avis-bis April 25 2018 12: 13
            +3
            Quote: Servisinzhener
            Lifting capacity is less, it's true. But the ability to persuade to buy their equipment is very high. Like a house manager from the movie "Diamond Arm" wink

            You won’t even have to persuade - the Ukrainian authorities themselves will bend to show how they want to join NATO. And there - A400 and more load-carrying C-17. The difference in load capacity is noticeable, but not very striking. And there is only one concept - the distant military-technical cooperation.
        2. Strength
          Strength April 24 2018 23: 59
          0
          So the weight of an empty C-130j is 2 times less.
  2. Radikal
    Radikal April 24 2018 16: 39
    +14
    It is noted that the An-77 is a turbojet medium military transport aircraft
    But curiously, the authors of the article are aware of the difference between a turboprop and a turbojet aircraft? wassat fool
    1. Astoria
      Astoria April 24 2018 16: 42
      +8
      But curiously, the authors of the article are aware of the difference between a turboprop and a turbojet aircraft?
      And so it goes laughing the main number of characters, the content is secondary wink
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin April 24 2018 17: 22
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      It is noted that the An-77 is a turbojet medium military transport aircraft
      But curiously, the authors of the article are aware of the difference between a turboprop and a turbojet aircraft? wassat fool

      What's the difference to them? Well, there the turbine twists through a gearbox a screw or a fan, who cares?
      As well as the fact that the photo is not An-77, but An-70 ...
    3. proletarian
      proletarian April 24 2018 19: 52
      +1
      Dear, and where did you see there "turbojet"?
    4. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis April 25 2018 11: 41
      +2
      Quote: Radikal
      But curiously, the authors of the article are aware of the difference between a turboprop and a turbojet aircraft? wassat fool

      And what is wrong?
      An-70 for engines CFM56-5A1

      Plan to put jet.
  3. Orkraider
    Orkraider April 24 2018 16: 43
    +8
    Turbojet? wassat Class! And how is it disguised as well?
  4. taiga2018
    taiga2018 April 24 2018 16: 48
    +1
    come down to drive at air shows ...
  5. Russia
    Russia April 24 2018 16: 54
    +4
    The West does not need such handsome competitors, they are gouging production, and the staff are in the gutter.
  6. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 24 2018 16: 55
    +1
    Born to crawl, should not fly
  7. Equalized
    Equalized April 24 2018 16: 58
    +3
    So this is an ordinary An-70 built a very long time ago, why did it suddenly become An-77?

    Even in the conditions of the Ukrainian mess, many enterprises are still working there and are doing something, but Antonov is a dead topic. The most stalled enterprise in Ukraine. Over the past 4 years, they have not built a single aircraft, they live off Antonov Airlines and repair existing aircraft around the world.

    If only a miracle revives this dead man.
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely April 24 2018 17: 29
      +4
      If only a miracle revives this dead man.

      And we need it?
  8. Lerych
    Lerych April 24 2018 17: 01
    0
    Boeing and Airbus will say how to give a drink. Then they will force NATO to re-equip. The end of the global aviation industry. .China will have time to break free, finish what you have in mind?
  9. AlexYa
    AlexYa April 24 2018 17: 27
    0
    Without prospects. With foreign components, its price will increase at times, and he simply can not stand the competition. Even if Boeing and Airbus will not interfere with him. And you also need somewhere to take money to purchase these components to start mass production.
  10. smart ass
    smart ass April 24 2018 17: 34
    +2
    And on the first channel they said that KB Antonov’s death and everything is bad
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 24 2018 23: 19
      0
      Quote: Clever man
      And on the first channel they said that KB Antonov’s death and everything is bad

      They still don’t say that. laughing
  11. APASUS
    APASUS April 24 2018 18: 04
    +1
    I see American and European aircraft building corporations waiting for a new An-77 for sale. You probably laugh, which An-77?
  12. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 24 2018 18: 31
    +1
    Oh, I'm afraid for Ukrainian pilots ... sad What quality can these aircraft have with such a mess in the country?
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis April 25 2018 11: 54
      +4
      Quote: wicked partisan
      Oh, I'm afraid for Ukrainian pilots ... sad What quality can these aircraft have with such a mess in the country?

      This An-70 was built in cooperation with the Russian Federation many years ago, the Soviet backbone of the enterprise was still alive. And they will not build new ones.
    2. Tomato
      Tomato April 25 2018 20: 10
      +1
      While being built in cooperation with Russia, the aircraft was good, fit ..... And suddenly, suddenly .....
  13. Amateur
    Amateur April 24 2018 19: 12
    +1
    A-400 break, everyone go to AN
  14. Berkut24
    Berkut24 April 24 2018 19: 27
    +3
    Do you know what the joke is? Based on the AN-70, in the development of which Russia has invested 2/3 of the money. Thus, Russia has the right to receive its share of profit from each aircraft sold by Ukraine. And to suspend transactions, as well as to arrest sold aircraft by court order.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 24 2018 22: 59
      0
      Quote: Berkut24
      Russia has the right

      And how will she realize this right? In addition, all 90s Russia torpedoed this project, but invested money. How to understand this?
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 April 24 2018 23: 20
        0
        Implement in accordance with international law. Filing a lawsuit with a court of arbitration demanding the freezing of a transaction for the sale of an aircraft in view of contesting the sole ownership rights of the seller on it. Not my invention, this issue has already been sucked up by our MO. Here, either return our development money with interest, or pay interest on the transaction.
        Regarding torpedoing, he was not there. There were technical requirements of the RF Ministry of Defense as a customer for the aircraft, which Antonov did not fulfill. The aircraft from the middle weight category moved to the heavy category, where the IL-76 is already available. And the RF Ministry of Defense ordered exactly the middle category. The Ukrainian developer did not ensure the reliability of the engines, during the tests the prototype plane crashed, and the developer refused to provide full information about the incident. The terms of development and testing have expired, there is no result, and it became clear that there will not be. Therefore, divorce and maiden name.
        If Ukraine wants the development to be their property, then you need to return the money to the chief financier of the project. Or...
  15. NF68
    NF68 April 24 2018 19: 59
    +1
    Will they start to mass-produce it? With such an active movement towards Western democracy, soon in Ukraine only on brooms will fly.
  16. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx April 24 2018 21: 16
    0
    What kind of Ukrainian aircraft is this, if "up to 90 percent of the components of the aircraft" are from Russia? Urgently decommunize! Or will they start to steam us?
  17. Radikal
    Radikal April 24 2018 21: 19
    0
    Quote: proletarian
    Dear, and where did you see there "turbojet"?

    First of all, I saw that the cunning author managed to correct the mistake, the other forum participants who read it in the afternoon, I think, too, paid attention to this move. By chance, are you that cunning author? This is quite in the style of the representatives of your flag! wassat
  18. Antares
    Antares April 24 2018 21: 37
    +3
    Video flattened. Some kind of right away ..
    The network is not flattened. Moreover, from Antonov’s video, and not from censornet.

    GP Antonov will take part in the Eurasia-2018 air show in Turkish Antalya, which will be held from April 25 to 29.
    At the moment, the An-70 joint program with the Russian Federation is closed. This aircraft is the object of the Russian-Ukrainian intergovernmental agreement, so there can be no talk of promoting and selling precisely the An-70. Therefore, the Ukrainian side is working on the project of the An-77 aircraft.
    This is all exhibitions, customer search, etc.
    I was most pleased with the work on Mriya,
    Pilots raised Mriya to a height of about 12 km, where they tested new navigation equipment.
    “Our designers have implemented the next series of improvements in the field of avionics, such modernization is ongoing,” explained Antonova Airlines Director Mikhail Kharchenko.

    . After a two-hour flight, Mriya returned to the airport in Gostomel.
    “The flight went very well, the equipment works just fine. Surprisingly, the plane did not fly for a year and a half, but at least today it is ready for a commercial flight,” said crew commander Dmitry Antonov.

    The plane is being prepared for commercial flights to Asia in early April.
    And before that
    An-225 Mriya on April 3 went on its first commercial flight.
    The plane flew from the airport in Gostomel to Leipzig, the Antonov state agency said without specifying details regarding the route and cargo to be transported by the giant airliner.
  19. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr April 24 2018 22: 48
    +1
    I don’t know what they will represent there, but the video shows the same An-70 with the same Russian-Ukrainian D-27 engines. Apparently the "news" is intended for imbeciles ATO.
  20. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 24 2018 23: 17
    0
    modernized version of the Russian short-takeoff and landing transport aircraft An-70

    Well, actually the project was a joint, Russian-Ukrainian.
  21. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff April 25 2018 06: 20
    0
    This is not the one that broke in Omsk?
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis April 25 2018 11: 56
      +2
      Quote: pafegosoff
      This is not the one that broke in Omsk?

      The type is the same, the board, of course, is different.
  22. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 25 2018 07: 55
    0
    Natonization is in full swing)
  23. Engineer
    Engineer April 25 2018 08: 40
    0
    Oh, what a plane ruined!