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Ammunition hit on 2C4 "Tulip" during exercises in North Ossetia. There are wounded

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The tragic incident occurred during exercises in North Ossetia. During combat firing, the ammunition fired at the test site landed in a Tulip 2C4 self-propelled mortar. As a result of the rupture of ammunition at the site "Tarskoye" two people were injured of varying severity. One soldier was contused, another suffered multiple head injuries.


Initially it was reported that the explosion occurred due to the fact that the mine was stuck in the barrel of the self-propelled gun. However, the frames show how about a second after the start of the video in 2C4 "Tulip" arrives ammunition, released by another calculation.

The video was posted on the AhtubaTV YouTube channel:



The footage shows a soldier, probably seeing that a mine is flying towards him, trying to run away from the self-propelled gun. Although it is quite possible that he simply hastily backed off before firing from the Tulip.

The condition of the wounded is not reported. It is known that the incident at the exercise in the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania occurred more 12 April. But in the media, the information got only today.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 23 2018 19: 17
    +7
    Hmm ... there, within a radius of a couple of hundred meters, they will find rubbish ...
    1. Hire
      Hire April 23 2018 19: 19
      +9
      However, the frames show how about a second after the start of the video, in 2C4 “Tulip” ammunition flown by each calculation arrives.

      Well, FIG knows ... First, the sound of a shot is heard, then an explosion.
      1. san4es
        san4es April 23 2018 19: 25
        +20
        Quote: Hire
        ... Well, FIG knows ....

        hi ... for 0.01 min. flies up:
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 23 2018 19: 29
          +24
          Quote: san4es
          .For 0.01 min. flies up:

          “Shallow” is something for a “Tulip” mine, it’s something for less

          and flies gently.
          Guys for a speedy recovery.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina April 23 2018 19: 45
            +3
            Sergey, I agree, This is somersaulting, plus it fell behind the car.
            1. BZTM
              BZTM April 23 2018 20: 28
              +6
              What are you talking about, Slav? Hands should grow from where they should. And Teachers should teach, not sleep ...
              1. sabakina
                sabakina April 23 2018 20: 30
                +14
                BZTM, you can say anything, but it’s not a mine from Tulip that falls. I read it on another resource, a mine explosion occurred at the exit from the trunk.
          2. Jerk
            Jerk April 23 2018 20: 25
            +25
            Otherwise, after the Tulip suitcase there would have been no operator in a couple of meters, nor his camera
        2. Hire
          Hire April 23 2018 19: 29
          +9
          Quote: san4es
          ... for 0.01 min. flies up:

          hi Quickly you made the storyboard. I respect you.
        3. Doliva63
          Doliva63 April 23 2018 19: 33
          +9
          Quote: san4es
          Quote: Hire
          ... Well, FIG knows ....

          hi ... for 0.01 min. flies up:

          In the video, the arrival of this item coincides with an explosion. But it hurts a little thing. What could it be?
          By the nature of the explosion, it seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the barrel. Although it’s never a “lace”, much may seem.
          1. san4es
            san4es April 23 2018 19: 48
            +2
            Quote: Doliva63
            ... but it hurts a small thing. .

            ... Far + speed is big ... There are 2 frames at 0.01min., Where this "thing" (two pixels) is on the fall path .. (I can send it by mail repeat ), but still not clearly visible
          2. neri73-r
            neri73-r April 23 2018 20: 19
            +7
            Quote: Doliva63
            By the nature of the explosion, it seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the barrel. Although it’s never a “lace”, much may seem.

            From the explosion of the “Daredevil” or a similar mine from the car, it seems to me that nothing would have remained. There is something of a smaller caliber and the flight path to the meeting.
          3. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 23 2018 20: 21
            +3
            Quote: Doliva63
            It seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the trunk.

            In my opinion, the barrel there after the explosion was like new, it should be smashed to pieces, there the mine is not shallow and the car would be demolished ...
            1. x.andvlad
              x.andvlad April 23 2018 20: 50
              +4
              After the explosion, you can see the neighboring car, and not exploded. It is a pity that the consequences of the explosion on the gun itself are not visible in the frame. I also think that it was a mine break in the trunk. And that falling object in the frame before the explosion, perhaps in general, has nothing to do with it.
              1. 11128
                11128 April 24 2018 08: 16
                0
                0.20 visible tulip trunk
                1. x.andvlad
                  x.andvlad April 24 2018 21: 59
                  +2
                  It's from a nearby car, not the one that exploded.
          4. avdkrd
            avdkrd April 23 2018 20: 34
            +25
            Quote: Doliva63
            By the nature of the explosion, it seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the barrel.

            In the event of a standard 240mm mine explosion from the car, at best, there would be a chassis, shooting was carried out from about forty meters and only the boots would remain from the operator. The mass of explosives is from 31 to 46.5 kg, the zone of complete destruction of a 240 mm mine is comparable to a football field, and in the video of a fighter 20-30 meters from the car it didn’t even “blow off”.
        4. bk316
          bk316 April 23 2018 19: 59
          +16
          Precisely I say - this is not a mine from a tulip. Since he shot, I know how she looks in flight. It is several times larger and most importantly in length is very elongated. And it’s even I’m at a loss to say what it is .... And even if a mine from a tulip tore off a car, the car would have been blown off and then something small, so I think everyone is alive.
          1. san4es
            san4es April 23 2018 20: 24
            +2
            Quote: bk316
            ... she is several times larger.

            ... So not from Tulip, but less:
            ... the ammunition released at the test site landed in a 2C4 Tulip self-propelled mortar
            1. sabakina
              sabakina April 23 2018 20: 44
              +1
              Sancho hi , I am inclined to the version of a mine explosion at the exit from the trunk (I write about this on other resources). What fell fell behind the machine, the explosion was clearly closer than that object fell. Sorry, when that photo was taken, the eye was outlined.
              1. san4es
                san4es April 23 2018 20: 56
                +1
                Quote: sabakina
                .... I am inclined to the version of a mine explosion at the exit from the barrel ..

                what Slav, I don’t care ... I’m not inclined to anything except the facts and results of the investigation.
                Sorry, when that photo was taken, the eye was outlined.

                ...Cool .
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina April 23 2018 21: 19
                  +1
                  Sancho, I started with the Smena-8M camera, where the range should be set to the eye. And in childhood / youth a good workout for the eyes and brains. Well and, apparently, a little little talent. By the way, after yesterday I worked fine, they just drove the bastards, only by 17.00 p.m. I drew in the office. Right now I’m relieving fatigue slowly.
                  P.S. I want to try SVD, but where can I get it?
              2. x.andvlad
                x.andvlad April 23 2018 21: 12
                +6
                It looks like a mine break in the bore. At the exit or in the breech - it is not clear.

                It can be seen that the explosion occurred where the barrel was. From the trunk, it seems, nothing is left.
                And the object that appears in the frame before the explosion falls to the left of the gun. I think this is some kind of coincidence. This item generally looks like a clod of earth.
                The sound of a shot before the explosion - from a nearby gun.
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina April 23 2018 21: 32
                  +2
                  If it turns out the second time to make one freeze frame, I'll post it.
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina April 23 2018 21: 36
                    +6
                    It seems to work out. The very top of the blast. As if out of the barrel.
                    1. x.andvlad
                      x.andvlad April 23 2018 21: 45
                      +2
                      This is similar to confirming that the source of the explosion in the barrel (when it existed). Investigators will sort it out.
                      If it were not for this amateur record of the incident, then perhaps it would not have been widely known.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 April 23 2018 21: 57
                        +1
                        The Ministry of Defense officially announced that it would not disclose the losses - they have the right.
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 21: 38
              +4
              Quote: san4es
              Quote: bk316
              ... she is several times larger.

              ... So not from Tulip, but less:
              ... the ammunition released at the test site landed in a 2C4 Tulip self-propelled mortar

              maybe some of the trenches were foolishly accidentally grinning with a mortar ... or something else ?? !!! request am am am given the frequency of exercises, it’s not even at the level of the statistical error ... sometimes they do it all day !!! wassat wassat wassat
          2. K-50
            K-50 April 23 2018 20: 30
            +3
            Quote: bk316
            something small here

            Maybe 82-mm mine from other calculations, if not just “Tulips” fired at the firing range?
          3. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky April 23 2018 22: 05
            +4
            Quote: bk316
            And even if a mine had fired from a tulip, the car would have been blown off and then something small, so I think everyone is alive.

            Now they will be identified in the Vladikavkaz hospital, and there, if it is difficult, they will be transferred to Rostov, where doctors are stronger. But apparently, if the case took place on April 12, and it was announced only now, then it probably did without losses. Otherwise, the liberot would have long arranged a "dance on the bones" on all the resources available to them.
        5. figwam
          figwam April 23 2018 20: 03
          +5
          Quote: san4es
          ... for 0.01 min. flies up:

          This is not a shell, this is an ordinary bird! Flies over the shooter's head. And the mine in the trunk exploded.
          1. san4es
            san4es April 23 2018 20: 10
            +3
            Quote: figvam
            ... this is a bird.

            ... or UFO
      2. Thrall
        Thrall April 23 2018 19: 30
        +10
        Is this exactly what you need to upload and discuss here?
        In preparation for the tank biathlon, there were also tragic cases, but the general public is not aware of them, and rightly so.
        Does military censorship no longer work?
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 April 23 2018 19: 52
          +7
          Quote: Thrall
          Is this exactly what you need to upload and discuss here?
          In preparation for the tank biathlon, there were also tragic cases, but the general public is not aware of them, and rightly so.
          Does military censorship no longer work?

          If there were the 200s, censorship probably wouldn’t let it go.
        2. tol100v
          tol100v April 23 2018 20: 21
          +2
          Quote: Thrall
          Is this exactly what you need to upload and discuss here?

          And if "very smart heads" cease to lay out such information, then what will UFOlogs do? And the victims, just health!
        3. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 21: 40
          +2
          Quote: Thrall
          Is this exactly what you need to upload and discuss here?
          In preparation for the tank biathlon, there were also tragic cases, but the general public is not aware of them, and rightly so.
          Does military censorship no longer work?

          this is the worst cost of democracy !!! am am request request wassat wassat wassat
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 April 23 2018 19: 49
      +10
      We (DPR) APRIL 1, 2015 at the training ground 122 flew into the tank. No one was hurt except a war horse. For a long time they proved to the commander by telephone that this was not a joke. Who and how was punished, not in the know, not my unit. Such is the organization of firing and interaction. I hope the boys weren’t badly injured, and when the explosion in the trunk, the car will collapse. There is anti-fragmentation armor.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 April 23 2018 19: 55
        +5
        So there is an explosion "on my own." Armor is only a shock wave.
    3. Maz
      Maz April 23 2018 21: 29
      0
      Where to run there a pound or two pounds of explosives?
    4. parkello
      parkello April 24 2018 12: 33
      +2
      Andrei, it’s possible that the mine itself didn’t explode, for example, detonated samples of gunpowder in the barrel. It just broke the barrel and the mine didn’t explode. But we had a case of a 4-inch mortar, it broke, killed three in place, the whole calculation is shorter. here, if the ammunition itself had also pulled, then ... there would not be much left of the motorcycle league itself. but in any case, the servants of a speedy recovery. the mine itself could well prove to be a defective or blow-out charge. this is not uncommon in mortars. unfortunately ... but I have no less questions, in different countries. in different armies, with different levels of drug preparation mortar breaks :( and I can never find the reason.
  2. impostor
    impostor April 23 2018 19: 22
    +1
    Some crap. They do not work on PUO-9M and do not manually count? Like a ballistic calculator?
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 23 2018 19: 34
      +7
      Protection from the fool has not yet been created .. Unfortunately, the guys will recover soon.
      Quote: impostor
      Some crap. They do not work on PUO-9M and do not manually count? Like a ballistic calculator?
      1. impostor
        impostor April 23 2018 19: 46
        +3
        Well, you don’t want to say that they built it on the PDO exercises like in a bottle game? Can you imagine what kind of turn-off from OH it should be in order to fly to the neighboring calculation?
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 23 2018 20: 04
          +4
          No, I don’t want to, of course .. But I know the case in Naro-Fominsk at the test site in 84 when ..... children died. This is a matter of organization, safety and all regulatory documents ..
          Quote: impostor
          Well, you don’t want to say that they built it on the PDO exercises like in a bottle game? Can you imagine what kind of turn-off from OH it should be in order to fly to the neighboring calculation?
          1. impostor
            impostor April 23 2018 20: 17
            +1
            I’m completely and completely with you, but, for example, at tank ranges, if the director is in the direction of the points, the remote fuse is unambiguous
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin April 23 2018 21: 11
          +5
          Quote: impostor
          Well, you don’t want to say that they built it on the PDO exercises like in a bottle game? Can you imagine what kind of turn-off from OH it should be in order to fly to the neighboring calculation?

          For example, an 82mm mortar was installed by untrained nonsense. At the first shot, the mortar fell. Mina flew away where God sent ...
          What doesn’t happen? It happens ... Just as it happens.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 13
            +2
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            It happens ... Just as it happens

            Somehow I can’t imagine what needs to be done so that the mortar falls “during” the shot.
            After - I saw, this - no.
            Do not explain, if possible?
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 April 23 2018 21: 28
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Somehow I can’t imagine what needs to be done so that the mortar falls “during” the shot.

              Duc, anything can happen, for example:
              Of course, many factors need to come together. laughing
              1. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin April 24 2018 11: 00
                0
                Quote: Paranoid50
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Somehow I can’t imagine what needs to be done so that the mortar falls “during” the shot.

                Duc, anything can happen, for example:
                Of course, many factors need to come together. laughing

                Uzhssss ... A crowd of some completely frostbitten people ...
            2. impostor
              impostor April 23 2018 22: 34
              +1
              In order for the Tulip to fall, at least it must fall (be applied) (body or energy), comparable to its mass. In general, 2C4 was not captured in the plug, and therefore, it was probably hit by Krasnopol, or other high-precision weapons, which in itself is impossible.
            3. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin April 24 2018 11: 04
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              It happens ... Just as it happens

              Somehow I can’t imagine what needs to be done so that the mortar falls “during” the shot.
              After - I saw, this - no.
              Do not explain, if possible?

              If the mortar fell, it begins to fall immediately after the start of the movement of the mine. The process ends, of course, much later after the departure of the mines from the trunk. But the mine flies very far from the aiming point.
          2. impostor
            impostor April 23 2018 22: 21
            0
            Captain, I understand everything, but do you compare the gap of 82 mm mines and the gap of OF 240 mm? Everything is obvious on the video! And if you can "drop" 2С4 I can believe in an alien mind. You see, this is the supreme reserve, it can’t be turned over by the hem of the skirt
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin April 24 2018 11: 09
              +1
              Quote: impostor
              Captain, I understand everything, but do you compare the gap of 82 mm mines and the gap of OF 240 mm? Everything is obvious on the video! And if you can "drop" 2С4 I can believe in an alien mind. You see, this is the supreme reserve, it can’t be turned over by the hem of the skirt

              About "dropping a self-propelled mortar 2S4" is not for me. I generally believe that in this case there was a mine explosion in the barrel, most likely due to a mine blow during transportation or during loading, which the fuse was removed from the fuse, and the fuse exploded when fired.
  3. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 23 2018 19: 24
    +7
    The video looked three times. I didn’t see any runners, only the crew commander (?) Left before the shot. And the form of the explosion is interesting. A stream of shot sticks out of it. That is, after all, an explosion in the trunk, apparently.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 23 2018 19: 31
      +6
      Quote: stock buildbat
      The video looked three times. I didn’t see any runners, only the crew commander (?) Left before the shot. And the form of the explosion is interesting. A stream of shot sticks out of it. That is, after all, an explosion in the trunk, apparently.


      the arrival there is obvious .. whence only .. and then apparently the detonation in the trunk .. because the explosion was behind the installation.
      1. BZTM
        BZTM April 23 2018 19: 42
        +6
        Mattresses with Bandera are to blame, and personally by their Commander Trump laughing .Odd nothing came to us during the shooting because of the horizon, and the barrels were not torn apart by artillery systems, we must be more careful when shooting-more responsible to approach this matter, as the Officers taught, Midshipman of the Navy could not rely on it, just through the sleeves, as is usual in the army, I look ..
        1. Antares
          Antares April 23 2018 20: 04
          +2
          Quote: BZTM
          Mattresses with Bandera are to blame, and personally by their Commander Trump

          I hope the guys recover.
          And the fact that we are always “guilty” is familiar. Previously, Jewish colleagues were alone in this regard.
          Now there are many of us who are guilty, you can choose. laughing
          1. vasya.pupkin
            vasya.pupkin April 24 2018 13: 08
            0
            Quote: Antares
            Quote: BZTM
            Mattresses with Bandera are to blame, and personally by their Commander Trump

            I hope the guys recover.
            And the fact that we are always “guilty” is familiar. Previously, Jewish colleagues were alone in this regard.
            Now there are many of us who are guilty, you can choose. laughing

            So you are the "Jewish colleagues" who captured the Orthodox Little Russia, and in your Odessa, many Jews returned from Israel.
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2018 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      That is, after all, an explosion in the trunk, apparently.

      It looks like it would have been the first explosion ...
      What is it? Defective or expired ammunition. You will not envy the head of the RAV Service, now all the wires are extended.
      1. BZTM
        BZTM April 23 2018 20: 54
        +5
        And they’ll do it right, if he didn’t overlook, we have dragged a deep low-quality bomb for firing, half the time responsible for this matter .... and so that no one seemed.
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 23 2018 21: 16
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        That is, after all, an explosion in the trunk, apparently.

        It looks like it would have been the first explosion ...
        What is it? Defective or expired ammunition. You will not envy the head of the RAV Service, now all the wires are extended.

        As an option, a mine or a box with a mine about something was not weakly applied, the fuse was removed from the fuse, and it triggered from the shock when fired. Not such a rare situation.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 21
          +2
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          the fuse was removed from the fuse, and from the shock when fired, it worked

          It’s also fun.
          But you still didn’t explain about the "mortar that fell during the shot" for some reason ...
          1. your1970
            your1970 April 24 2018 08: 15
            0
            it happens, I saw it personally - albeit "correct" repeat(howitzer) artilleryman. If the 82nd had fallen to the other side - judging by the effect of the explosion - it could have beaten l / s (and a lot), and only the Ural got a bit. ...

            In the training, 4 pieces crawled out onto our target field (no one understood what they brought to us from the other side of the training ground) and started firing at our (AZK-5 and VPZK) position. The automatics worked conscientiously at the CPU - they counted (and they don’t see who is beating us, apparently the imitators thought they were tearing up) and at the artillery positions (D-1 division request smile ) In general, the tanks covered ....
            There were no dead, thank God, the divisional commander (the old gunner!) Said - they say gouging, but well done !!
            2 tanks were written off ...
      3. parkello
        parkello April 24 2018 17: 29
        +1
        Sergey, it seems to me that the knockout detonated with a hint of gunpowder, and the mine itself did not seem to explode. otherwise, the flimsy track and track rollers would fly in different directions.
  4. Guru
    Guru April 23 2018 19: 26
    +7
    If you look in slow motion, it’s clearly not Tulip.
  5. Dam
    Dam April 23 2018 19: 27
    +3
    Anything can happen. In the USSR, there were always losses at major exercises. Sorry guys.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 23 2018 20: 01
      +5
      In the 85th, if sclerosis does not lie, near Rostov they practiced firing with regular infantry, tanks and helicopters. Each according to his plan. But in one "corner". As a result of what happened "shootout" damaged tank, infantry fighting vehicle and Mi-24. Glory be to Allah, without sacrifice. Everything happened. drinks
    2. tol100v
      tol100v April 23 2018 20: 33
      0
      Quote: Damm
      In the USSR, there were always losses at major exercises.

      By gouging and stupidity! And the guys are very sorry ....
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 23 2018 19: 27
    +1
    sad So much for 22 ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 23 2018 20: 11
      +1
      222 and someone n .. yes - they must have fired Soviet mines.
  7. Eduard petrov
    Eduard petrov April 23 2018 19: 32
    +2
    something just flew in, in slow motion it’s clearly visible.
  8. family tree
    family tree April 23 2018 19: 49
    +5
    Chet, like gunpowder burned out, not an explosion. But there is no practical 240mm?
    No, there TNT, in combat, at least 30 kg, would have been widely spread.
    It is necessary to investigate, however what
    Oh, guys, tears with matyugs recourse
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 23 2018 20: 08
      +5
      They’ll investigate.
      I don’t know for the Tulip, but when the ATGM in the tank’s barrel is torn, only the barrel is “rosette”. Saw. The “Rosette” was then a material evidence, but the piece that survived in front was a coveted trophy.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 23 2018 20: 14
      0
      So that’s exactly 32 kilograms and it was - who else besides calculating mortars still shoots, especially at each other.
      1. family tree
        family tree April 23 2018 20: 36
        +4
        From these kilograms, the chassis would be blown to the side, and trotyl slams, it’s ridiculous for me to watch movies in explosions. request
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 23 2018 21: 04
          +3
          A mortar of 27 tons weighs - 32 kilograms of explosives can not be overturned in any way, the more the explosion occurred on a base plate, which is attached to the tractor with a weak coupling.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina April 23 2018 21: 24
            +3
            Vadim, I have this thought. Could overdo it with extra .... I don’t know what they are called, well, with white bags that they hang on a mine?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 28
              +1
              Quote: sabakina
              with white bags that hang

              Vyacheslav hi
              You are not talking about diapers, I hope? And then I have mnu allergy to them already sad
              1. sabakina
                sabakina April 23 2018 21: 43
                +1
                Roma !! hi We are cultural people! Only swaddling clothes! On a mine winding extra. explosives for range? So I’m asking about this, have you gone too far with her?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: sabakina
                  On a mine winding extra. explosives for range?

                  On a mine ... but why not just wind it on a mine ...
                  By the way - and not only on a mine you can ... reel, if you try laughing
                  1. Captain Pushkin
                    Captain Pushkin April 24 2018 11: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: sabakina
                    On a mine winding extra. explosives for range?

                    On a mine ... but why not just wind it on a mine ...
                    By the way - and not only on a mine you can ... reel, if you try laughing

                    I got up in the morning at six o’clock
                    No panties gum
                    Here she is, here she is!
                    Wound to hell!

                    And it was possible to wind a mine, by the way.
                2. novel66
                  novel66 April 23 2018 22: 05
                  +2
                  Glory, great! hi you can’t go too far with them - there’s an exact calculation for how far how many bags
                3. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin April 24 2018 11: 27
                  0
                  Quote: sabakina
                  Roma !! hi We are cultural people! Only swaddling clothes! On a mine winding extra. explosives for range? So I’m asking about this, have you gone too far with her?

                  Winding up additional explosives on a mine? Is this such a creative way of collective euthanasia?
            2. family tree
              family tree April 23 2018 21: 59
              +3
              Quote: sabakina
              with white bags

              Eva, remembered! This was a bait for the Chinese, rice was put there, so that more Chinese would run away to the smell of a mine, otherwise there wouldn’t be enough mines wassat
          2. family tree
            family tree April 23 2018 21: 53
            +3
            tank recoil from a shot backward shifts, if straight. 32 kg of TNT what
            In general, in the funnel, which was 5 kg or less, our entire platoon could be buried request
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 23 2018 22: 02
              0
              The tank has a gun barrel horizontally, on a movable chassis - and the mortar is almost vertical, with emphasis on the plate - who will have a greater shift in recoil - no response is required.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 23 2018 22: 24
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                no answer required

                GYYY laughing
                The answer, Vadim, is simple ... but you don’t know him again.
                The “shift” in both cases will be the same, that is - practically no yes
          3. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin April 24 2018 11: 17
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            A mortar of 27 tons weighs - 32 kilograms of explosives can not be overturned in any way, the more the explosion occurred on a base plate, which is attached to the tractor with a weak coupling.

            32kg of TNT under the caterpillar would overturn this self-propelled gun guaranteed. But they rushed in the trunk. ..
  9. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 23 2018 19: 55
    +1
    Anything happened. We had a case at the training ground. An armored personnel carrier flew with people on an armor, flew up on a bump and the officer threw forward onto the path of the armored personnel carrier and the latter moved without slowing down.
  10. soldatt22
    soldatt22 April 23 2018 20: 04
    +1
    Kill me !!! Clearly visible, a small object flies, almost vertically! Touching the earth is an explosion! The flight is clearly visible, touch is bad. What is it ?
  11. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 23 2018 20: 07
    +1
    Three times I watched the video, the ammunition exploded in the barrel, and then the fragments flew apart!
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 21: 45
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Three times I watched the video, the ammunition exploded in the barrel, and then the fragments flew apart!

      you need to look from the beginning and slowly !!!
  12. impostor
    impostor April 23 2018 20: 09
    +2
    1. To get without sighting in Tulip is not Krasnopol simply 0.0000000000000 and then the percentage probability.
    2. Someone pounded a bag of cement in a liner?
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin April 23 2018 21: 23
      0
      Quote: impostor
      1. To get without sighting in Tulip is not Krasnopol simply 0.0000000000000 and then the percentage probability.
      2. Someone pounded a bag of cement in a liner?

      In the Second World War there was a case, according to the recollections of tank repairmen. Several people went at night to inspect the wrecked tank in the neutral zone. The Germans began artillery fire. They shot randomly. The soldiers climbed under the tank. And one thing, one of the shells flew right under this tank. Absolutely by accident.
  13. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 23 2018 20: 09
    +1
    The mine in the trunk of the Tulip exploded.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 23 2018 20: 15
      +2
      Vadim, you mixed everything up again.
      The tulip has a stalk.
      And the trunk is, for example, in oak laughing
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 20: 16
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Vadim, you mixed everything up again.

        Mom washed soap ... laughing
        1. sabakina
          sabakina April 23 2018 20: 51
          +1
          Vanya drove by the window, drove an old woman on a belt,
          And the dog at that time washed ficus on a horse.
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin April 25 2018 10: 02
          +1
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Vadim, you mixed everything up again.

          Mom washed soap ... laughing

          Someone seems to be a little soap mom ...
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 23 2018 20: 25
        +1
        It’s funny to you - but the guys were really lucky that the ammunition in the “tractor” did not explode.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 23 2018 20: 50
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          and the guys are really lucky

          What is your attitude to the "guys", Vadim?
          It’s all the same to you, hike, what to write - anything to blurt out ...
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 23 2018 21: 05
            +1
            You don’t need to speak for me - I care.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 07
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              I care

              Ugh ...
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 21: 13
              +1
              Vadik, my amphibian watch has somersaulted. crying Please give me a century I will remember. fellow
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 16
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                ... my amphibian watch has somersaulted. Give me please ...

                ... watches - separately, amphibian - separately laughing
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 21: 23
                  0
                  No, I'm serious ... crying Two springs flew. On the clockwork, and on the pendulum. Here, I'm looking for spare parts ... crying
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Here, I'm looking for spare parts ...

                    Vadim is unlikely to help here. He does not repair amphibians request
                    And to give - his toad will crush ... "rich", they are wink
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 21: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Vadim is unlikely to help here. He does not repair amphibians

                      Yes? And then I rolled my lip with might and main ...
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 23 2018 21: 35
                0
                Amphibian Clock - Name the manufacturer?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 21: 39
                  0
                  Yes, hell knows, 77 of release.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    77 of release

                    Figase rarity ... not Breguet, an hour? laughing
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 21: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      not Breguet, an hour?

                      That's exactly what Breget.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        That's exactly what Breget

                        He stands like 10 buckets of spiny craboff ... like three apartments in Tokyo ...
                        Vadim is sure to eat a toad ... or is he a toad belay
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 April 23 2018 22: 16
                    0
                    “Arrow”, “Flight”, “East”, “Ray”, “Navigational”, “Satellite” - No.
                2. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin April 25 2018 10: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Amphibian Clock - Name the manufacturer?

                  Chistopol watch factory, one hundred pounds. That still stamped guano, called "commander." I have six of them lying around somewhere.
                  For the last 15 years I have been wearing Chinese quartz for $ 5, changing my batteries every two years and setting the exact time at the same time - more often than not, they take less than a minute in two years.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 25 2018 10: 32
                    0
                    No, the fact is that I need waterproof ones. You call the "Commander" guan, you just have not seen, in my opinion, what they released in the seventies. This watch was top class, threw it against the wall with all its dope, and they walked.
                3. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 25 2018 10: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  What is the manufacturer?

                  East. 17 stones.
  14. Forever so
    Forever so April 23 2018 20: 19
    +2
    The weight of the mine for the Tulip is from 130 to 230 kilograms. Guys This is a hundredths of an aviation minimum, there would have been rags from the machine itself. On the set, it is clear that the shot was something that was not clear, but something swelled, the explosion was coming from below, with a bright flame. I would say that I pulled the expelling charge through an open or open shutter. The mine itself did not detonate, but as we see it flew out.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 23 2018 20: 28
      0
      Of 130 kilograms - 32 kilograms of explosives, but the barrel of the mortar, base plate and armored car took over most of the fragments.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 23 2018 21: 27
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Of 130 kilograms - 32 kilograms of explosives, but the barrel of the mortar, base plate and armored car took over most of the fragments.

        Plus, the bulk of the wave went up. And the barrel of the mortar was smashed into very large fragments (the barrel’s steel is “mild”), and this is due to its weak damaging effect.
    2. ventel
      ventel April 23 2018 21: 31
      +1
      Maybe you're right. If the mine detonated, there was no operator to collect pieces of it.
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 21: 49
      +2
      Quote: Forever so
      On the set, it is clear that the shot was something that was not clear, but something swelled, the explosion was coming from below, with a bright flame.

      interesting, but how did you determine that there was a shot ??? recourse recourse Well, the following question ... if you looked carefully, did you notice on the vidos that before the explosion the "UFO" flies just to the place of the explosion ??
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 23 2018 22: 26
        0
        At 22, the first mortar fired - there was a jingle, from the second the jingle went the same, gas along the trunk - in an explosion.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 23: 30
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          At 22, the first mortar fired - there was a jingle, from the second the jingle went the same, gas along the trunk - in an explosion.

          what is 22 ??? what what if the 22nd second of the video, then it finally can no longer be on the topic !!! recourse recourseif on walkie-talkie 22, then just after the spoken, some crap arrives and an explosion occurs !!! By the way, the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound !!! wink
  15. K-50
    K-50 April 23 2018 20: 25
    0
    Damn, the gunner is probably cross-eyed! belay
    And that the calculation commanders do not check the aiming of the first shot? what
  16. kefan
    kefan April 23 2018 20: 38
    0
    God grant that all remain alive and well.
  17. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 23 2018 20: 45
    0
    The campaign is now all the mines to these mortars, sent for disposal, and the operation of the "Tulips" will be stopped for a long time, until the line for the production of new ammunition is established. It’s good that they didn’t shoot nuclear.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 23 2018 20: 52
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      Campaign ...

      Minus yes
      Quote: Vadim237
      It’s good that they didn’t shoot nuclear

      At the exercises, og ... Vadim, here you are (from your words) not poor ... why are you writing such nonsense?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 23 2018 21: 07
        0
        If they had done it in the 50s, I think that low-power nuclear mines would have been shot.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 09
          +2
          belay
          I seem to begin to guess that the catch phrase "why are you so poor, if you are so smart", still has no "retroactive force" request
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 23 2018 21: 13
            +1
            Indeed, what are you - a dog so poor.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 23 2018 21: 15
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              what are you - a dog so poor

              What are you, "rich", such a glupy request
              Sami asked, by the way yes
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 23 2018 21: 36
                0
                Stupid not me - but one grandfather with 57 years of experience.
  18. brr1
    brr1 April 23 2018 20: 49
    0
    It looks like a two-way BTU with a BS
  19. Mstivoy
    Mstivoy April 23 2018 20: 54
    +2
    What other storyboard ?? With the naked eye it is clear that something flew up from above and plopped right under the “legs” of the Tulip. By pressing "STOP" on the video, the entire flight of an unknown object is calmly viewed.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 23 2018 21: 08
      +1
      Yes, right at the time of the battery firing.
  20. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 23 2018 21: 05
    0
    Wait for the official comment of the MO. Do not suffer from garbage. Someone made a mistake when shooting and that's it. There is no need to be an expert.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 23 2018 21: 15
      0
      "Wait for the official comment of the MO" - Most likely they will not be.
  21. Franz Josef Land
    Franz Josef Land April 23 2018 21: 31
    +2
    It is time for Georgia to get rid of Soviet weapons.
    1. Mstivoy
      Mstivoy April 23 2018 21: 42
      +6
      The slogans “It’s time ..”, “The time has come ..” have always been amusing to emphasize their empty thoughts ... What has happened lately such that Georgia has come to get rid of Soviet weapons? And what does this have to do with the article about what happened in Ossetia?
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 21: 50
      +6
      Quote: Franz Joseph Land
      It is time for Georgia to get rid of Soviet weapons.

      and where does this unfinished ??? wassat laughing
  22. XXXIII
    XXXIII April 23 2018 22: 02
    +2
    Ammunition hit on 2C4 "Tulip" during exercises in North Ossetia. There are wounded
    It’s not clear, but the video shows that something flew before the explosion, a delay of 2 seconds (hit the ground, explosion) ..... request


  23. nikoliski
    nikoliski April 23 2018 22: 20
    0
    It is clear that not the mine of the tulip itself exploded (there 130 kg, of which 30 kilograms it was trotted), otherwise it would obviously not have gotten out of concussion, it would simply have torn everyone to shreds.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 23 2018 22: 28
      0
      Strongly you overestimate the capabilities of 32kg TNT.
      1. nikoliski
        nikoliski April 23 2018 23: 27
        0
        And you underestimate, let me give you one fact, our testers had one powerful Dot, used for many years to bombard various types of weapons under test, so when they tested the Tulip, this Dot with reinforced concrete walls of many meters thick collapsed from one mine! (I don’t know what’s there - concrete fatigue or just hit a vulnerable point, but the capital Dot in the style of a la Mannerheim line collapsed from one hit, though it previously withstood all calibers, for example a 1 mm shell carries only 203 kilograms of weight, and at 15 mm Tulip mines are already 240, well, if not in the topic, then for comparison, in a 30mm high-explosive projectile 125 kilos of explosives, and in a 3mm howitzer about 152 kg)
  24. beeper
    beeper April 23 2018 22: 34
    +4
    There is an arrival of something somersault, like a 82mm mortar mine with a torn tail (well, was it not a meteorite? winked ), somewhere about 1,5 ÷ 2 meters from the base plate .... IMHO
    In time, the “arrival” explosion may have successfully coincided with the “Tulip” shot, since muzzle gases are clearly distinguished in the general “picture” against the sky, but the 240mm mine clearly did not detonate, or it managed to fly away, or the fuses worked ?
    Apparently the explosion of the “arrival” broke the breech of the “Tulip” and part of the expelling charge was already burning outside the barrel, since there was a bit too much fire for an 82mm mine explosion?
    Mortars are a powerful thing in battle, my dad, as a child, often told about front-line mortar snipers, the wonderful capabilities of these "death machines" and the basics of their tactics, but often there are such "troubles" as mine explosions trunk (for various reasons) ... request
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 23 2018 22: 46
      +2
      Alas, a mine located in the mortar barrel exploded.
      1. beeper
        beeper April 23 2018 23: 09
        +2
        IMHO, a very weak explosion, as for a 240mm mine.
  25. Radikal
    Radikal April 23 2018 22: 45
    0
    Quote: Doliva63
    Quote: san4es
    Quote: Hire
    ... Well, FIG knows ....

    hi ... for 0.01 min. flies up:

    In the video, the arrival of this item coincides with an explosion. But it hurts a little thing. What could it be?
    By the nature of the explosion, it seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the barrel. Although it’s never a “lace”, much may seem.

    Judging by the exact hit, there may be ATGM, or from a "Georgian-American" drone a "gift" flew in ... winked
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 23 2018 23: 17
      0
      Judging by the fact that it flies almost point blank with the operator - this is just rubbish.
    2. beeper
      beeper April 23 2018 23: 24
      +2
      Yes, the hit is very accurate, you want to hit and so the first time you will not hit a mine!
      And the time coincided well, just with the moment of the shot — if the video had not been accidentally shot, would there be a complete picture of the explosion in the mortar barrel?
      Enemy ("partner") drone drone drunk? I fully admit, because the arrival was from above and above the bustle before the shot was visible, it was possible (knowing the range to the target and the time of the approach of the strike ammunition) to almost exactly "combine" to get a "picture of an accident when shooting" (about the ongoing video shooting drone operator probably did not know)?
  26. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 23 2018 23: 09
    0
    The shooter suffered the most, he was behind the car, pulled by the cable.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 23 2018 23: 19
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      shooting, he was pulling the cable

      Why - pulled ??! belay
      Vadim, you are a monster ... I won’t sleep now, and I’ll gain weight ...
      Quote: Dunno on the moon
      Five minutes of laughter replace a glass of sour cream

      And here it’s not limited to five minutes request
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 24 2018 08: 23
        0
        Shooting is carried out using the remote control and manually, using a cable.
  27. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 23 2018 23: 15
    +1
    We had a case in the exercises when a mine from Sanya flew several meters and fell back. The fuse did not fly, so everyone escaped with fear. Then they threw on matches who should drag her away to undermine.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 23 2018 23: 23
      +1
      Quote: Normal ok
      Then they threw on matches who should drag her away to undermine

      Wasn't fate destroying on the spot, or what?
      And, yes ... since there you have a mortar manages to fall, that the mine flies sideways, tell me all the details?
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok April 24 2018 00: 14
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Normal ok
        Then they threw on matches who should drag her away to undermine

        Wasn't fate destroying on the spot, or what?
        And, yes ... since there you have a mortar manages to fall, that the mine flies sideways, tell me all the details?

        This incident was still in the days of my cadet youth, i.e. at the USSR. So your sarcasm is not appropriate. And to undermine it directly to the position (the mine fell literally 10 meters from the mortar), where the stacks of boxes with mines stood nearby, is somehow not very wise.
  28. Mih1974
    Mih1974 April 23 2018 23: 22
    +6
    In addition to “watch”, you must carefully “listen” - a very very unusual sound of an explosion !! The apparent echo of the "moaning" of the mortar barrel is very similar to the "moaning" after the shot. Considering that a “shot” is essentially a “blast in the barrel”, then there really can be no question of an external explosion. Maybe the mine itself, maybe the barrel collapsed, it’s not a matter of principle, it’s clear that the “flagship” dumped and was not carried away or torn to pieces.
  29. Svetoch
    Svetoch April 24 2018 00: 38
    0
    I looked in slow motion, there is such a function in YouTube, from 3 to 5 seconds, either a headset flies out of an explosion or God forbid request
  30. urik62
    urik62 April 24 2018 09: 32
    0
    I think this bird flies, look carefully, it moves away towards the trees, and the wings seem to be visible. Just coincided in the video, the explosion in the trunk is most likely.