Ammunition hit on 2C4 "Tulip" during exercises in North Ossetia. There are wounded

The tragic incident occurred during exercises in North Ossetia. During combat firing, the ammunition fired at the test site landed in a Tulip 2C4 self-propelled mortar. As a result of the rupture of ammunition at the site "Tarskoye" two people were injured of varying severity. One soldier was contused, another suffered multiple head injuries.

Initially it was reported that the explosion occurred due to the fact that the mine was stuck in the barrel of the self-propelled gun. However, the frames show how about a second after the start of the video in 2C4 "Tulip" arrives ammunition, released by another calculation.

The video was posted on the AhtubaTV YouTube channel:

The footage shows a soldier, probably seeing that a mine is flying towards him, trying to run away from the self-propelled gun. Although it is quite possible that he simply hastily backed off before firing from the Tulip.

The condition of the wounded is not reported. It is known that the incident at the exercise in the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania occurred more 12 April. But in the media, the information got only today.

Comments

[NEXUS]

Hmm ... there, within a radius of a couple of hundred meters, they will find rubbish ...

[Hire]

However, the frames show how about a second after the start of the video, in 2C4 “Tulip” ammunition flown by each calculation arrives.

Well, FIG knows ... First, the sound of a shot is heard, then an explosion.

[san4es]

Quote: Hire

... Well, FIG knows ....

... for 0.01 min. flies up:

[svp67]

Quote: san4es

.For 0.01 min. flies up:

“Shallow” is something for a “Tulip” mine, it’s something for less

and flies gently.
Guys for a speedy recovery.

[sabakina]

Sergey, I agree, This is somersaulting, plus it fell behind the car.

[BZTM]

What are you talking about, Slav? Hands should grow from where they should. And Teachers should teach, not sleep ...

[sabakina]

BZTM, you can say anything, but it’s not a mine from Tulip that falls. I read it on another resource, a mine explosion occurred at the exit from the trunk.

[Jerk]

Otherwise, after the Tulip suitcase there would have been no operator in a couple of meters, nor his camera

[Hire]

Quote: san4es

... for 0.01 min. flies up:

Quickly you made the storyboard. I respect you.

[Doliva63]

Quote: san4es

Quote: Hire

... Well, FIG knows ....

... for 0.01 min. flies up:

In the video, the arrival of this item coincides with an explosion. But it hurts a little thing. What could it be?
By the nature of the explosion, it seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the barrel. Although it’s never a “lace”, much may seem.

[san4es]

Quote: Doliva63

... but it hurts a small thing. .

... Far + speed is big ... There are 2 frames at 0.01min., Where this "thing" (two pixels) is on the fall path .. (I can send it by mail ), but still not clearly visible

[neri73-r]

Quote: Doliva63

By the nature of the explosion, it seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the barrel. Although it’s never a “lace”, much may seem.

From the explosion of the “Daredevil” or a similar mine from the car, it seems to me that nothing would have remained. There is something of a smaller caliber and the flight path to the meeting.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Doliva63

It seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the trunk.

In my opinion, the barrel there after the explosion was like new, it should be smashed to pieces, there the mine is not shallow and the car would be demolished ...

[x.andvlad]

After the explosion, you can see the neighboring car, and not exploded. It is a pity that the consequences of the explosion on the gun itself are not visible in the frame. I also think that it was a mine break in the trunk. And that falling object in the frame before the explosion, perhaps in general, has nothing to do with it.

[11128]

0.20 visible tulip trunk

[x.andvlad]

It's from a nearby car, not the one that exploded.

[avdkrd]

Quote: Doliva63

By the nature of the explosion, it seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the barrel.

In the event of a standard 240mm mine explosion from the car, at best, there would be a chassis, shooting was carried out from about forty meters and only the boots would remain from the operator. The mass of explosives is from 31 to 46.5 kg, the zone of complete destruction of a 240 mm mine is comparable to a football field, and in the video of a fighter 20-30 meters from the car it didn’t even “blow off”.

[bk316]

Precisely I say - this is not a mine from a tulip. Since he shot, I know how she looks in flight. It is several times larger and most importantly in length is very elongated. And it’s even I’m at a loss to say what it is .... And even if a mine from a tulip tore off a car, the car would have been blown off and then something small, so I think everyone is alive.

[san4es]

Quote: bk316

... she is several times larger.

... So not from Tulip, but less:

... the ammunition released at the test site landed in a 2C4 Tulip self-propelled mortar

[sabakina]

Sancho , I am inclined to the version of a mine explosion at the exit from the trunk (I write about this on other resources). What fell fell behind the machine, the explosion was clearly closer than that object fell. Sorry, when that photo was taken, the eye was outlined.

[san4es]

Quote: sabakina

.... I am inclined to the version of a mine explosion at the exit from the barrel ..

Slav, I don’t care ... I’m not inclined to anything except the facts and results of the investigation.

Sorry, when that photo was taken, the eye was outlined.

...Cool .

[sabakina]

Sancho, I started with the Smena-8M camera, where the range should be set to the eye. And in childhood / youth a good workout for the eyes and brains. Well and, apparently, a little little talent. By the way, after yesterday I worked fine, they just drove the bastards, only by 17.00 p.m. I drew in the office. Right now I’m relieving fatigue slowly.
P.S. I want to try SVD, but where can I get it?

[x.andvlad]

It looks like a mine break in the bore. At the exit or in the breech - it is not clear.

It can be seen that the explosion occurred where the barrel was. From the trunk, it seems, nothing is left.
And the object that appears in the frame before the explosion falls to the left of the gun. I think this is some kind of coincidence. This item generally looks like a clod of earth.
The sound of a shot before the explosion - from a nearby gun.

[sabakina]

If it turns out the second time to make one freeze frame, I'll post it.

[sabakina]

It seems to work out. The very top of the blast. As if out of the barrel.

[x.andvlad]

This is similar to confirming that the source of the explosion in the barrel (when it existed). Investigators will sort it out.
If it were not for this amateur record of the incident, then perhaps it would not have been widely known.

[Vadim237]

The Ministry of Defense officially announced that it would not disclose the losses - they have the right.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: san4es

Quote: bk316

... she is several times larger.

... So not from Tulip, but less:

... the ammunition released at the test site landed in a 2C4 Tulip self-propelled mortar

maybe some of the trenches were foolishly accidentally grinning with a mortar ... or something else ?? !!! given the frequency of exercises, it’s not even at the level of the statistical error ... sometimes they do it all day !!!

[K-50]

Quote: bk316

something small here

Maybe 82-mm mine from other calculations, if not just “Tulips” fired at the firing range?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: bk316

And even if a mine had fired from a tulip, the car would have been blown off and then something small, so I think everyone is alive.

Now they will be identified in the Vladikavkaz hospital, and there, if it is difficult, they will be transferred to Rostov, where doctors are stronger. But apparently, if the case took place on April 12, and it was announced only now, then it probably did without losses. Otherwise, the liberot would have long arranged a "dance on the bones" on all the resources available to them.

[figwam]

Quote: san4es

... for 0.01 min. flies up:

This is not a shell, this is an ordinary bird! Flies over the shooter's head. And the mine in the trunk exploded.

[san4es]

Quote: figvam

... this is a bird.

... or UFO

[Thrall]

Is this exactly what you need to upload and discuss here?
In preparation for the tank biathlon, there were also tragic cases, but the general public is not aware of them, and rightly so.
Does military censorship no longer work?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Thrall

Is this exactly what you need to upload and discuss here?
In preparation for the tank biathlon, there were also tragic cases, but the general public is not aware of them, and rightly so.
Does military censorship no longer work?

If there were the 200s, censorship probably wouldn’t let it go.

[tol100v]

Quote: Thrall

Is this exactly what you need to upload and discuss here?

And if "very smart heads" cease to lay out such information, then what will UFOlogs do? And the victims, just health!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Thrall

Is this exactly what you need to upload and discuss here?
In preparation for the tank biathlon, there were also tragic cases, but the general public is not aware of them, and rightly so.
Does military censorship no longer work?

this is the worst cost of democracy !!!

[URAL72]

We (DPR) APRIL 1, 2015 at the training ground 122 flew into the tank. No one was hurt except a war horse. For a long time they proved to the commander by telephone that this was not a joke. Who and how was punished, not in the know, not my unit. Such is the organization of firing and interaction. I hope the boys weren’t badly injured, and when the explosion in the trunk, the car will collapse. There is anti-fragmentation armor.

[Doliva63]

So there is an explosion "on my own." Armor is only a shock wave.

[Maz]

Where to run there a pound or two pounds of explosives?

[parkello]

Andrei, it’s possible that the mine itself didn’t explode, for example, detonated samples of gunpowder in the barrel. It just broke the barrel and the mine didn’t explode. But we had a case of a 4-inch mortar, it broke, killed three in place, the whole calculation is shorter. here, if the ammunition itself had also pulled, then ... there would not be much left of the motorcycle league itself. but in any case, the servants of a speedy recovery. the mine itself could well prove to be a defective or blow-out charge. this is not uncommon in mortars. unfortunately ... but I have no less questions, in different countries. in different armies, with different levels of drug preparation mortar breaks :( and I can never find the reason.

[impostor]

Some crap. They do not work on PUO-9M and do not manually count? Like a ballistic calculator?

[210ox]

Protection from the fool has not yet been created .. Unfortunately, the guys will recover soon.

Quote: impostor

Some crap. They do not work on PUO-9M and do not manually count? Like a ballistic calculator?

[impostor]

Well, you don’t want to say that they built it on the PDO exercises like in a bottle game? Can you imagine what kind of turn-off from OH it should be in order to fly to the neighboring calculation?

[210ox]

No, I don’t want to, of course .. But I know the case in Naro-Fominsk at the test site in 84 when ..... children died. This is a matter of organization, safety and all regulatory documents ..

Quote: impostor

Well, you don’t want to say that they built it on the PDO exercises like in a bottle game? Can you imagine what kind of turn-off from OH it should be in order to fly to the neighboring calculation?

[impostor]

I’m completely and completely with you, but, for example, at tank ranges, if the director is in the direction of the points, the remote fuse is unambiguous

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: impostor

Well, you don’t want to say that they built it on the PDO exercises like in a bottle game? Can you imagine what kind of turn-off from OH it should be in order to fly to the neighboring calculation?

For example, an 82mm mortar was installed by untrained nonsense. At the first shot, the mortar fell. Mina flew away where God sent ...
What doesn’t happen? It happens ... Just as it happens.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

It happens ... Just as it happens

Somehow I can’t imagine what needs to be done so that the mortar falls “during” the shot.
After - I saw, this - no.
Do not explain, if possible?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Somehow I can’t imagine what needs to be done so that the mortar falls “during” the shot.

Duc, anything can happen, for example:
Of course, many factors need to come together.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Paranoid50

Quote: Golovan Jack

Somehow I can’t imagine what needs to be done so that the mortar falls “during” the shot.

Duc, anything can happen, for example:
Of course, many factors need to come together.

Uzhssss ... A crowd of some completely frostbitten people ...

[impostor]

In order for the Tulip to fall, at least it must fall (be applied) (body or energy), comparable to its mass. In general, 2C4 was not captured in the plug, and therefore, it was probably hit by Krasnopol, or other high-precision weapons, which in itself is impossible.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Captain Pushkin

It happens ... Just as it happens

Somehow I can’t imagine what needs to be done so that the mortar falls “during” the shot.
After - I saw, this - no.
Do not explain, if possible?

If the mortar fell, it begins to fall immediately after the start of the movement of the mine. The process ends, of course, much later after the departure of the mines from the trunk. But the mine flies very far from the aiming point.

[impostor]

Captain, I understand everything, but do you compare the gap of 82 mm mines and the gap of OF 240 mm? Everything is obvious on the video! And if you can "drop" 2С4 I can believe in an alien mind. You see, this is the supreme reserve, it can’t be turned over by the hem of the skirt

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: impostor

Captain, I understand everything, but do you compare the gap of 82 mm mines and the gap of OF 240 mm? Everything is obvious on the video! And if you can "drop" 2С4 I can believe in an alien mind. You see, this is the supreme reserve, it can’t be turned over by the hem of the skirt

About "dropping a self-propelled mortar 2S4" is not for me. I generally believe that in this case there was a mine explosion in the barrel, most likely due to a mine blow during transportation or during loading, which the fuse was removed from the fuse, and the fuse exploded when fired.

[Reserve buildbat]

The video looked three times. I didn’t see any runners, only the crew commander (?) Left before the shot. And the form of the explosion is interesting. A stream of shot sticks out of it. That is, after all, an explosion in the trunk, apparently.

[vorobey]

Quote: stock buildbat

The video looked three times. I didn’t see any runners, only the crew commander (?) Left before the shot. And the form of the explosion is interesting. A stream of shot sticks out of it. That is, after all, an explosion in the trunk, apparently.

the arrival there is obvious .. whence only .. and then apparently the detonation in the trunk .. because the explosion was behind the installation.

[BZTM]

Mattresses with Bandera are to blame, and personally by their Commander Trump .Odd nothing came to us during the shooting because of the horizon, and the barrels were not torn apart by artillery systems, we must be more careful when shooting-more responsible to approach this matter, as the Officers taught, Midshipman of the Navy could not rely on it, just through the sleeves, as is usual in the army, I look ..

[Antares]

Quote: BZTM

Mattresses with Bandera are to blame, and personally by their Commander Trump

I hope the guys recover.
And the fact that we are always “guilty” is familiar. Previously, Jewish colleagues were alone in this regard.
Now there are many of us who are guilty, you can choose.

[vasya.pupkin]

Quote: Antares

Quote: BZTM

Mattresses with Bandera are to blame, and personally by their Commander Trump

I hope the guys recover.
And the fact that we are always “guilty” is familiar. Previously, Jewish colleagues were alone in this regard.
Now there are many of us who are guilty, you can choose.

So you are the "Jewish colleagues" who captured the Orthodox Little Russia, and in your Odessa, many Jews returned from Israel.

[svp67]

Quote: Stroibat stock

That is, after all, an explosion in the trunk, apparently.

It looks like it would have been the first explosion ...
What is it? Defective or expired ammunition. You will not envy the head of the RAV Service, now all the wires are extended.

[BZTM]

And they’ll do it right, if he didn’t overlook, we have dragged a deep low-quality bomb for firing, half the time responsible for this matter .... and so that no one seemed.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Stroibat stock

That is, after all, an explosion in the trunk, apparently.

It looks like it would have been the first explosion ...
What is it? Defective or expired ammunition. You will not envy the head of the RAV Service, now all the wires are extended.

As an option, a mine or a box with a mine about something was not weakly applied, the fuse was removed from the fuse, and it triggered from the shock when fired. Not such a rare situation.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

the fuse was removed from the fuse, and from the shock when fired, it worked

It’s also fun.
But you still didn’t explain about the "mortar that fell during the shot" for some reason ...

[your1970]

it happens, I saw it personally - albeit "correct" (howitzer) artilleryman. If the 82nd had fallen to the other side - judging by the effect of the explosion - it could have beaten l / s (and a lot), and only the Ural got a bit. ...

In the training, 4 pieces crawled out onto our target field (no one understood what they brought to us from the other side of the training ground) and started firing at our (AZK-5 and VPZK) position. The automatics worked conscientiously at the CPU - they counted (and they don’t see who is beating us, apparently the imitators thought they were tearing up) and at the artillery positions (D-1 division ) In general, the tanks covered ....
There were no dead, thank God, the divisional commander (the old gunner!) Said - they say gouging, but well done !!
2 tanks were written off ...

[parkello]

Sergey, it seems to me that the knockout detonated with a hint of gunpowder, and the mine itself did not seem to explode. otherwise, the flimsy track and track rollers would fly in different directions.

[Guru]

If you look in slow motion, it’s clearly not Tulip.

[Dam]

Anything can happen. In the USSR, there were always losses at major exercises. Sorry guys.

[Doliva63]

In the 85th, if sclerosis does not lie, near Rostov they practiced firing with regular infantry, tanks and helicopters. Each according to his plan. But in one "corner". As a result of what happened "shootout" damaged tank, infantry fighting vehicle and Mi-24. Glory be to Allah, without sacrifice. Everything happened.

[tol100v]

Quote: Damm

In the USSR, there were always losses at major exercises.

By gouging and stupidity! And the guys are very sorry ....

[Thunderbolt]

So much for 22 ..

[Vadim237]

222 and someone n .. yes - they must have fired Soviet mines.

[Eduard petrov]

something just flew in, in slow motion it’s clearly visible.

[family tree]

Chet, like gunpowder burned out, not an explosion. But there is no practical 240mm?
No, there TNT, in combat, at least 30 kg, would have been widely spread.
It is necessary to investigate, however
Oh, guys, tears with matyugs

[Doliva63]

They’ll investigate.
I don’t know for the Tulip, but when the ATGM in the tank’s barrel is torn, only the barrel is “rosette”. Saw. The “Rosette” was then a material evidence, but the piece that survived in front was a coveted trophy.

[Vadim237]

So that’s exactly 32 kilograms and it was - who else besides calculating mortars still shoots, especially at each other.

[family tree]

From these kilograms, the chassis would be blown to the side, and trotyl slams, it’s ridiculous for me to watch movies in explosions.

[Vadim237]

A mortar of 27 tons weighs - 32 kilograms of explosives can not be overturned in any way, the more the explosion occurred on a base plate, which is attached to the tractor with a weak coupling.

[sabakina]

Vadim, I have this thought. Could overdo it with extra .... I don’t know what they are called, well, with white bags that they hang on a mine?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: sabakina

with white bags that hang

Vyacheslav
You are not talking about diapers, I hope? And then I have mnu allergy to them already

[sabakina]

Roma !! We are cultural people! Only swaddling clothes! On a mine winding extra. explosives for range? So I’m asking about this, have you gone too far with her?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: sabakina

On a mine winding extra. explosives for range?

On a mine ... but why not just wind it on a mine ...
By the way - and not only on a mine you can ... reel, if you try

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: sabakina

On a mine winding extra. explosives for range?

On a mine ... but why not just wind it on a mine ...
By the way - and not only on a mine you can ... reel, if you try

I got up in the morning at six o’clock
No panties gum
Here she is, here she is!
Wound to hell!

And it was possible to wind a mine, by the way.

[novel66]

Glory, great! you can’t go too far with them - there’s an exact calculation for how far how many bags

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: sabakina

Roma !! We are cultural people! Only swaddling clothes! On a mine winding extra. explosives for range? So I’m asking about this, have you gone too far with her?

Winding up additional explosives on a mine? Is this such a creative way of collective euthanasia?

[family tree]

Quote: sabakina

with white bags

Eva, remembered! This was a bait for the Chinese, rice was put there, so that more Chinese would run away to the smell of a mine, otherwise there wouldn’t be enough mines

[family tree]

tank recoil from a shot backward shifts, if straight. 32 kg of TNT
In general, in the funnel, which was 5 kg or less, our entire platoon could be buried

[Vadim237]

The tank has a gun barrel horizontally, on a movable chassis - and the mortar is almost vertical, with emphasis on the plate - who will have a greater shift in recoil - no response is required.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

no answer required

GYYY
The answer, Vadim, is simple ... but you don’t know him again.
The “shift” in both cases will be the same, that is - practically no

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vadim237

A mortar of 27 tons weighs - 32 kilograms of explosives can not be overturned in any way, the more the explosion occurred on a base plate, which is attached to the tractor with a weak coupling.

32kg of TNT under the caterpillar would overturn this self-propelled gun guaranteed. But they rushed in the trunk. ..

[Heterocapsa]

Anything happened. We had a case at the training ground. An armored personnel carrier flew with people on an armor, flew up on a bump and the officer threw forward onto the path of the armored personnel carrier and the latter moved without slowing down.

[soldatt22]

Kill me !!! Clearly visible, a small object flies, almost vertically! Touching the earth is an explosion! The flight is clearly visible, touch is bad. What is it ?

[Herculesic]

Three times I watched the video, the ammunition exploded in the barrel, and then the fragments flew apart!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Herkulesich

Three times I watched the video, the ammunition exploded in the barrel, and then the fragments flew apart!

you need to look from the beginning and slowly !!!

[impostor]

1. To get without sighting in Tulip is not Krasnopol simply 0.0000000000000 and then the percentage probability.
2. Someone pounded a bag of cement in a liner?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: impostor

1. To get without sighting in Tulip is not Krasnopol simply 0.0000000000000 and then the percentage probability.
2. Someone pounded a bag of cement in a liner?

In the Second World War there was a case, according to the recollections of tank repairmen. Several people went at night to inspect the wrecked tank in the neutral zone. The Germans began artillery fire. They shot randomly. The soldiers climbed under the tank. And one thing, one of the shells flew right under this tank. Absolutely by accident.

[Vadim237]

The mine in the trunk of the Tulip exploded.

[Golovan Jack]

Vadim, you mixed everything up again.
The tulip has a stalk.
And the trunk is, for example, in oak

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Vadim, you mixed everything up again.

Mom washed soap ...

[sabakina]

Vanya drove by the window, drove an old woman on a belt,
And the dog at that time washed ficus on a horse.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Golovan Jack

Vadim, you mixed everything up again.

Mom washed soap ...

Someone seems to be a little soap mom ...

[Vadim237]

It’s funny to you - but the guys were really lucky that the ammunition in the “tractor” did not explode.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

and the guys are really lucky

What is your attitude to the "guys", Vadim?
It’s all the same to you, hike, what to write - anything to blurt out ...

[Vadim237]

You don’t need to speak for me - I care.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

I care

Ugh ...

[Mordvin 3]

Vadik, my amphibian watch has somersaulted. Please give me a century I will remember.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

... my amphibian watch has somersaulted. Give me please ...

... watches - separately, amphibian - separately

[Mordvin 3]

No, I'm serious ... Two springs flew. On the clockwork, and on the pendulum. Here, I'm looking for spare parts ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Here, I'm looking for spare parts ...

Vadim is unlikely to help here. He does not repair amphibians
And to give - his toad will crush ... "rich", they are

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Vadim is unlikely to help here. He does not repair amphibians

Yes? And then I rolled my lip with might and main ...

[Vadim237]

Amphibian Clock - Name the manufacturer?

[Mordvin 3]

Yes, hell knows, 77 of release.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

77 of release

Figase rarity ... not Breguet, an hour?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Golovan Jack

not Breguet, an hour?

That's exactly what Breget.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

That's exactly what Breget

He stands like 10 buckets of spiny craboff ... like three apartments in Tokyo ...
Vadim is sure to eat a toad ... or is he a toad

[Vadim237]

“Arrow”, “Flight”, “East”, “Ray”, “Navigational”, “Satellite” - No.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vadim237

Amphibian Clock - Name the manufacturer?

Chistopol watch factory, one hundred pounds. That still stamped guano, called "commander." I have six of them lying around somewhere.
For the last 15 years I have been wearing Chinese quartz for $ 5, changing my batteries every two years and setting the exact time at the same time - more often than not, they take less than a minute in two years.

[Mordvin 3]

No, the fact is that I need waterproof ones. You call the "Commander" guan, you just have not seen, in my opinion, what they released in the seventies. This watch was top class, threw it against the wall with all its dope, and they walked.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

What is the manufacturer?

East. 17 stones.

[Forever so]

The weight of the mine for the Tulip is from 130 to 230 kilograms. Guys This is a hundredths of an aviation minimum, there would have been rags from the machine itself. On the set, it is clear that the shot was something that was not clear, but something swelled, the explosion was coming from below, with a bright flame. I would say that I pulled the expelling charge through an open or open shutter. The mine itself did not detonate, but as we see it flew out.

[Vadim237]

Of 130 kilograms - 32 kilograms of explosives, but the barrel of the mortar, base plate and armored car took over most of the fragments.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vadim237

Of 130 kilograms - 32 kilograms of explosives, but the barrel of the mortar, base plate and armored car took over most of the fragments.

Plus, the bulk of the wave went up. And the barrel of the mortar was smashed into very large fragments (the barrel’s steel is “mild”), and this is due to its weak damaging effect.

[ventel]

Maybe you're right. If the mine detonated, there was no operator to collect pieces of it.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Forever so

On the set, it is clear that the shot was something that was not clear, but something swelled, the explosion was coming from below, with a bright flame.

interesting, but how did you determine that there was a shot ??? Well, the following question ... if you looked carefully, did you notice on the vidos that before the explosion the "UFO" flies just to the place of the explosion ??

[Vadim237]

At 22, the first mortar fired - there was a jingle, from the second the jingle went the same, gas along the trunk - in an explosion.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Vadim237

At 22, the first mortar fired - there was a jingle, from the second the jingle went the same, gas along the trunk - in an explosion.

what is 22 ??? if the 22nd second of the video, then it finally can no longer be on the topic !!! if on walkie-talkie 22, then just after the spoken, some crap arrives and an explosion occurs !!! By the way, the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound !!!

[K-50]

Damn, the gunner is probably cross-eyed!
And that the calculation commanders do not check the aiming of the first shot?

[kefan]

God grant that all remain alive and well.

[Vadim237]

The campaign is now all the mines to these mortars, sent for disposal, and the operation of the "Tulips" will be stopped for a long time, until the line for the production of new ammunition is established. It’s good that they didn’t shoot nuclear.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

Campaign ...

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Quote: Vadim237

It’s good that they didn’t shoot nuclear

At the exercises, og ... Vadim, here you are (from your words) not poor ... why are you writing such nonsense?

[Vadim237]

If they had done it in the 50s, I think that low-power nuclear mines would have been shot.

[Golovan Jack]

I seem to begin to guess that the catch phrase "why are you so poor, if you are so smart", still has no "retroactive force"

[Vadim237]

Indeed, what are you - a dog so poor.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

what are you - a dog so poor

What are you, "rich", such a glupy
Sami asked, by the way

[Vadim237]

Stupid not me - but one grandfather with 57 years of experience.

[brr1]

It looks like a two-way BTU with a BS

[Mstivoy]

What other storyboard ?? With the naked eye it is clear that something flew up from above and plopped right under the “legs” of the Tulip. By pressing "STOP" on the video, the entire flight of an unknown object is calmly viewed.

[Vadim237]

Yes, right at the time of the battery firing.

[Heterocapsa]

Wait for the official comment of the MO. Do not suffer from garbage. Someone made a mistake when shooting and that's it. There is no need to be an expert.

[Vadim237]

"Wait for the official comment of the MO" - Most likely they will not be.

[Franz Josef Land]

It is time for Georgia to get rid of Soviet weapons.

[Mstivoy]

The slogans “It’s time ..”, “The time has come ..” have always been amusing to emphasize their empty thoughts ... What has happened lately such that Georgia has come to get rid of Soviet weapons? And what does this have to do with the article about what happened in Ossetia?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Franz Joseph Land

It is time for Georgia to get rid of Soviet weapons.

and where does this unfinished ???

[XXXIII]

Ammunition hit on 2C4 "Tulip" during exercises in North Ossetia. There are wounded

It’s not clear, but the video shows that something flew before the explosion, a delay of 2 seconds (hit the ground, explosion) .....

[nikoliski]

It is clear that not the mine of the tulip itself exploded (there 130 kg, of which 30 kilograms it was trotted), otherwise it would obviously not have gotten out of concussion, it would simply have torn everyone to shreds.

[Vadim237]

Strongly you overestimate the capabilities of 32kg TNT.

[nikoliski]

And you underestimate, let me give you one fact, our testers had one powerful Dot, used for many years to bombard various types of weapons under test, so when they tested the Tulip, this Dot with reinforced concrete walls of many meters thick collapsed from one mine! (I don’t know what’s there - concrete fatigue or just hit a vulnerable point, but the capital Dot in the style of a la Mannerheim line collapsed from one hit, though it previously withstood all calibers, for example a 1 mm shell carries only 203 kilograms of weight, and at 15 mm Tulip mines are already 240, well, if not in the topic, then for comparison, in a 30mm high-explosive projectile 125 kilos of explosives, and in a 3mm howitzer about 152 kg)

[beeper]

There is an arrival of something somersault, like a 82mm mortar mine with a torn tail (well, was it not a meteorite? ), somewhere about 1,5 ÷ 2 meters from the base plate .... IMHO
In time, the “arrival” explosion may have successfully coincided with the “Tulip” shot, since muzzle gases are clearly distinguished in the general “picture” against the sky, but the 240mm mine clearly did not detonate, or it managed to fly away, or the fuses worked ?
Apparently the explosion of the “arrival” broke the breech of the “Tulip” and part of the expelling charge was already burning outside the barrel, since there was a bit too much fire for an 82mm mine explosion?
Mortars are a powerful thing in battle, my dad, as a child, often told about front-line mortar snipers, the wonderful capabilities of these "death machines" and the basics of their tactics, but often there are such "troubles" as mine explosions trunk (for various reasons) ...

[Vadim237]

Alas, a mine located in the mortar barrel exploded.

[beeper]

IMHO, a very weak explosion, as for a 240mm mine.

[Radical]

Quote: Doliva63

Quote: san4es

Quote: Hire

... Well, FIG knows ....

... for 0.01 min. flies up:

In the video, the arrival of this item coincides with an explosion. But it hurts a little thing. What could it be?
By the nature of the explosion, it seems to me more likely the explosion of a mine in the barrel. Although it’s never a “lace”, much may seem.

Judging by the exact hit, there may be ATGM, or from a "Georgian-American" drone a "gift" flew in ...

[Vadim237]

Judging by the fact that it flies almost point blank with the operator - this is just rubbish.

[beeper]

Yes, the hit is very accurate, you want to hit and so the first time you will not hit a mine!
And the time coincided well, just with the moment of the shot — if the video had not been accidentally shot, would there be a complete picture of the explosion in the mortar barrel?
Enemy ("partner") drone drone drunk? I fully admit, because the arrival was from above and above the bustle before the shot was visible, it was possible (knowing the range to the target and the time of the approach of the strike ammunition) to almost exactly "combine" to get a "picture of an accident when shooting" (about the ongoing video shooting drone operator probably did not know)?

[Vadim237]

The shooter suffered the most, he was behind the car, pulled by the cable.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

shooting, he was pulling the cable

Why - pulled ??!
Vadim, you are a monster ... I won’t sleep now, and I’ll gain weight ...

Quote: Dunno on the moon

Five minutes of laughter replace a glass of sour cream

And here it’s not limited to five minutes

[Vadim237]

Shooting is carried out using the remote control and manually, using a cable.

[Normal ok]

We had a case in the exercises when a mine from Sanya flew several meters and fell back. The fuse did not fly, so everyone escaped with fear. Then they threw on matches who should drag her away to undermine.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Normal ok

Then they threw on matches who should drag her away to undermine

Wasn't fate destroying on the spot, or what?
And, yes ... since there you have a mortar manages to fall, that the mine flies sideways, tell me all the details?

[Normal ok]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Normal ok

Then they threw on matches who should drag her away to undermine

Wasn't fate destroying on the spot, or what?
And, yes ... since there you have a mortar manages to fall, that the mine flies sideways, tell me all the details?

This incident was still in the days of my cadet youth, i.e. at the USSR. So your sarcasm is not appropriate. And to undermine it directly to the position (the mine fell literally 10 meters from the mortar), where the stacks of boxes with mines stood nearby, is somehow not very wise.

[Mih1974]

In addition to “watch”, you must carefully “listen” - a very very unusual sound of an explosion !! The apparent echo of the "moaning" of the mortar barrel is very similar to the "moaning" after the shot. Considering that a “shot” is essentially a “blast in the barrel”, then there really can be no question of an external explosion. Maybe the mine itself, maybe the barrel collapsed, it’s not a matter of principle, it’s clear that the “flagship” dumped and was not carried away or torn to pieces.

[Saints]

I looked in slow motion, there is such a function in YouTube, from 3 to 5 seconds, either a headset flies out of an explosion or God forbid

[urik62]

I think this bird flies, look carefully, it moves away towards the trees, and the wings seem to be visible. Just coincided in the video, the explosion in the trunk is most likely.