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Roskomnadzor army tread as a rehearsal of the Iron Curtain

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Looking at everything that happens with the Internet and in it, willy-nilly, you begin to ask the question: “And why, in fact, is all this?”. And puzzle over the answer.




So what to do? Such is the country. Mice cactus devour, inject, but will eat it to the end (it does not matter, mice or cactus), if under all this summed up the basis and legislative basis. If the spirit and the letter are observed, not a single tree will just hum it.

And in this way, we have a vision of what is happening. Collectively. One understands the protocols and other computer crap, the second is well aware that the boots must be cleaned in the evening to put on a fresh head in the morning.

Come on.

The global network nowadays provides 100% of the needs of all. These are the websites of private entrepreneurs, these are also the largest databases of corporations, access to which is needed from each branch. This grandmother in Sberbank, clicking on the terminal "get a pension", is waiting for your ticket with the number in the window. This is a job. This is information. This is communication. This is entertainment.

It's all. The Internet is something without which life will be, if not difficult, then problematic. But this is generally a topic for another conversation.

We are talking about what is being started today. And how we are pleased to understand.

About Durov and his Telegram. Even when Paul stood in a beautiful position and spoke of freedom, confidentiality and other universal values, it became clear that it was a dark matter and it would not end well. For on the one hand a person who seems to be like a light in a window with the Internet, and on the other - an Office.

I translate the quote of the classic: “They will be beaten, and, perhaps, with their feet.”

However, Durov did not hear the “To the Foot!” Command (or pretended not to hear), and rushed.

Honestly, we could not even imagine how this show would go on. About the ending, all the more, we do not even stutter. Until.

The following is clear: Mr. Durov historical an example in the person of Mr. Zuckerberg, did not inspire and did not teach anything.

And in vain. Mr. Zuckerberg, having received his Facebook exactly on the face, and even in the US Congress, was only able to blame for his full readiness to cooperate with the Law.

Dear, about the Law in our case separately and a little later, okay?

Yes, Durov decided not to heed the advice, and pulled out a telegram of widespread leg of wide pants ...

By the way, it seems to us (not without reason and consultation), Telegram has nothing to do with it. In his place could be anyone, because he was supposed to be there.

The problem is considerably more substantial than some kind of messenger. 20 million blocked IP and embarked in the well-known pose of the Runet hint at it. In general, in the voice they yell about it.

Attention, as evidenced by the blocking groan and op?

And just about the fact that the legs have not yet begun to beat, but the engine has gone. From top to bottom, as usual.

Can we say that our native government is trying to improve the life of an ordinary citizen? Yeah of course!

Yes, the government issues laws on the integration of state institutions' services into the network, so that everyone can be nice and sexy.

And such a polyclinic sysadmin, see. “Enikeyschik”, working for 10-15, etc. salary, receives an order from the leadership to execute the law. At the very least, the law is being fulfilled, a website with information appears.

True, the site is physically located in Germany or the Netherlands, and even in the free domain zone. Because nobody will give money to this lazy (system administrator) in 93-s cases from 100. And then the sysadmin receives an order to create a database, which can be accessed and enrolled via the Internet or "Gosuslugi". And this base begins to work in the same place, in Germany, because no one gave a sysadmin money (and would not give it).

So the personal data of Russian citizens on the world wide web floated into unknown distances.

Yes, in Russia they build Data Processing Centers (DPCs) and Date Centers (DC). There are Russian hosting companies and providers. Their services usually cost more than abroad.

Therefore, many domestic organizations have databases and sites exactly where the price is lower, and the service is better. Or even free. And this is a direct violation of the Federal Law No. 242 of 21 July 2014 of the Year “On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation regarding the clarification of the procedure for processing personal data in information and telecommunication networks”.

There you are, the Law. On a silver platter. And adopted, apparently, not yesterday.

Compliance ... And here it begins.

By the way, as an example, "Military Review" can serve. Yes, we have repeatedly been poked in the face by the fact that we do not store our bases in Russia. That's right, where it is more profitable for a private office, everything is there. And it is not the fault of the site administration that luxurious 20% profits in Europe for a data center in Russia are a reason to quench. Do we have it right? So that in a year the house on Rublevka was, otherwise why should the garden be fenced?

Although, by the way, the transfer of all giblets to the Russian platform from one Internet player is now being considered ...

But, in any case, there are no complaints about “VO”. Because the site does not require or store any visitors data. Here the casket just opens.

But seriously talking about those who keep ...

In order to get everyone back home and not squander information that according to intelligence covenants is the main currency, it is necessary to develop a mechanism to combat squandering.

The first step of the mechanism is the Law. There is a law. The second is the performance authority (hello ILV) and technical support.

The law is ready. The body is in alert. Technical support on torrents tested.

I think the point here was not in blocking, but in establishing dialogues with providers in Russia.

This is how an approximate dialogue seems:

- Need to run?
- It is necessary! But first test it.
- And if everything falls out?
- We need to find the reason for running the test. The reason must be weighty, so that if something is not strongly outraged.
- Fight against terrorism!
- Perfect. But what does the Internet have to do with it?
- Terrorists communicate in the Telegram of Durov!
- Run.

Bidysch ...

And then - as expected - their Highnesses the Consequences.

Showered banks, Railways, hospitals, services. All hooked. Hooked harmless and services, no one is to blame, that the blocked IP-address and the server sits the very hospitals, and one of the many youtube servers. But this is a test. Soon all this will work out. Whoever wants to - will move to domestic support, who needs it - will be returned to their homeland forcibly.

And then the machine will work in full force ...

In general, it seems like trash, waste and sodomy. However, not everything is so simple, if you think about it.

In the words of the ancients, we are looking for “who benefits” and who needs a reason. And here the word Office already sounded. They benefit, they need a reason.

The fact that the time has turned up is not in proportion to the principled Durov - it's nothing at all. You might as well come up with something else: "VK", "Classmates", it is even easier with the "Facebook" and the list goes on. There would be a desire, but there is always a reason.

Another question: what if we, not us, started to block? Why? Threats to "disable-hire" in the framework of the sanctions were considered. So - quite possible.

It is possible - and they began to ban IP not from our side, but from our dear western partners. We are not "Amazon" banned, and he us. As part of the sanctions. What, unlikely scenario?

At times! Moreover, I do not know how, "Amazon", but "Google" us from advertising at the time excommunicated for the policies of the Crimea and Donbas, was the case.

All right, these offices on the Russian user jumped. And what is the output? And at the exit for some reason absolutely just "suddenly" fell all the same banks, hospitals, shops and kiosks have fallen off Interactive, RZD dropped something and was broken ...

In principle, everything is expected that we are seeing today. What is the point? The bottom line is in our own army. And, since we are mainly an army people, this is the explanation in our native and understandable language.

The only thing that needs to be done is to increase the volume of letters due to translation. Well, there's nothing to say, alas.

There is such an army essence as “an in-depth practical study of the Battle Rules”. Long spit, but transferred, thanks to Comrade Colonel Staver. And how, in fact, can the event be voiced without a mate, as a result of which fighters who “have lost touch with reality” can be brought to life?

Everyone who was in the army, sooner or later flew at it. Both on the one hand (comrades officers) and on the other (comrades fighters).

The main thing that? And most importantly - the essence. When using absolutely legal methods aimed at increasing the combat readiness of the unit, crap and other negative aspects are knocked out.

It is said that one good hit in the scoreboard replaces three hours of soul-saving conversation. Say. And usually say those who have no idea about the pedagogical implications of the forced march in the UGC and mask kilometers 5-6.

The fifth point goes into hysterics only from one thought to bring it to the panel with the inscription "Adventures". A couple of weeks for sure.

In the case of the Roskomnadzor Sabbath, everything is exactly the same. It is clear that the blizzard will be indiscriminately, but ... Surprisingly, there is a nuance.

And here it is necessary to recall another Law. The fact is that from September 1 2015 in the Russian Federation came into effect on the localization of the position of the storage and processing of personal data the individual processes defined in the Federal Act of №242 July 21 2014, "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation to clarify the procedure for processing personal data in information and telecommunication networks ".

Long? That's right, because without a mat ... We translate: everything that concerns the personal data of Russian citizens should be stored and processed in the territory of the Russian Federation.

Short? Clear? Clear?

But ... If the systems of banks, hospitals, cash desks, which obviously contain certain data of citizens of the Russian Federation when blocking access to them, flew, then ...

Oops! It turns out, everything is as we said at the beginning? On any laws there was put a certain object, personifying aversion and unwillingness to fulfill these Laws?

And all these bases were bungled there? Where cheap / free, but, nevertheless, in the West?

Here, just the funniest thing is that quite serious offices have flown in. Russian Railways is not even a cherry at all. This is pineapple on the cake. And on us, on our data, there, too, someone particularly smart put ...

But in theory, all of these in hospitals, clinics and other Railways and remind 242-FZ do not, they themselves have to sew it on their flags and to keep guard around the clock.

Here, you understand, these data centers and data centers are being built in Russia, but what's the point? Yes, of course, expensive. But so the clinic / hospital / hospital for this FROM THE BUDGET sleep.

Another issue is that even those pennies someone wants to ... Well, then I'm sorry, "who did not hide - I am not guilty," as Winnie the Pooh, charging the gun.

We do not in any way support the RKN, and to put it mildly, we do not approve of clumsy and illiterate actions. Just because they themselves ran into the UZK, and chased others.

Very reminiscent, yes. Dana team shake all? Get it. You can not sign, it is better not to make noise. The question is not whether you run into UZK. The question is how much.

And by time or by mileage - what's the difference?


Opinion as a result. Large-scale rehearsal before the "iron curtain" on the Internet. These, which everyone, lyuy-kebabs, in this case, and all will receive.

In fact, we have “and let's filter out“ our ”Internet”, first in test mode. Let's see what of the big "our" will fall out. Fix it. Then "turn off".

A shitty end for a fairy tale about terrorists in Telegram, but alas. Telegram here is completely at work. And the terrorists, unfortunately, too.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech April 24 2018 05: 59
    +25
    ROSKOMNADZOR’s actions less and less like me ... something he began to behave like an elephant in a china shop.
    This organization has already got the nickname ROSKOMPOZOR ... already, it began to write by-laws for itself ... what ... they wanted the best it turned out as always ... through the ass.
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    2. Vend
      Vend April 24 2018 09: 13
      +20
      The modern Internet is a garbage rotting pile, a hotbed of people confident in impunity. I believe that it is necessary to introduce responsibility for the quality of posts. For rudeness, insults, you must introduce responsibility. And so many malicious sites and groups have multiplied that it becomes scary for the future of not children. I personally came across this when I had to convince my daughter that there were no 300 dead people in Kemerovo.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 24 2018 09: 21
        +21
        Quote: Wend
        need to introduce responsibility for the quality of posts
        Mmm, but there are no other problems in the country, right? We live in Dubai, swimming in gold. It only remained that the politeness of the network to develop.
        1. Vend
          Vend April 24 2018 09: 31
          +10
          Quote: Greenwood
          Quote: Wend
          need to introduce responsibility for the quality of posts
          Mmm, but there are no other problems in the country, right? We live in Dubai, swimming in gold. It only remained that the politeness of the network to develop.

          There is, but the Internet is an information field and modern children get there very early. And no prohibitions will help. The problem is ripe, it needs to be solved, otherwise it will turn out as always, which will be late.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood April 24 2018 09: 48
            +17
            Quote: Wend
            it will turn out as always
            "As always" already happened with the Telegram blocking. They wanted to punish him, as a result, others suffered, the cart made extra advertising, and Pasha Durov the image of a freedom fighter on the Internet.
            1. Vend
              Vend April 24 2018 10: 09
              +6
              Quote: Greenwood
              Quote: Wend
              it will turn out as always
              "As always" already happened with the Telegram blocking. They wanted to punish him, as a result, others suffered, the cart made extra advertising, and Pasha Durov the image of a freedom fighter on the Internet.

              The puffy image of Durov, also a freedom fighter. Litter the streets with airplanes laughing
              1. Cube123
                Cube123 April 24 2018 16: 20
                +3
                Quote: Wend
                The puffy image of Durov, also a freedom fighter. Litter the streets with airplanes laughing

                Airplanes are different. Durov already noted that he made planes from five thousandth notes and scattered them from the office window

                https://www.ridus.ru/news/34437
                “Today is our city day. On such an occasion, Mr. Durov decided to have fun, and simply threw thousands of bills from the window of his 5 office, watching people turn into dogs,” said Mikhail Aristov.

                “Now in the center of the contact office, Durov threw five-thousand-dollar bills (one each) from the window and videotaped the people throwing money at it crushing and beating each other. This is a big disgust. 10 bills were thrown out. People were leaving the crowd with broken noses, climbed into traffic lights, generally behaved like monkeys. Durov laughed heartily. Shame on you, Pavel, "writes Ekaterina Abramova.
                1. Vend
                  Vend April 24 2018 16: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Cube123
                  Quote: Wend
                  The puffy image of Durov, also a freedom fighter. Litter the streets with airplanes laughing

                  Airplanes are different. Durov already noted that he made planes from five thousandth notes and scattered them from the office window

                  https://www.ridus.ru/news/34437
                  “Today is our city day. On such an occasion, Mr. Durov decided to have fun, and simply threw thousands of bills from the window of his 5 office, watching people turn into dogs,” said Mikhail Aristov.

                  “Now in the center of the contact office, Durov threw five-thousand-dollar bills (one each) from the window and videotaped the people throwing money at it crushing and beating each other. This is a big disgust. 10 bills were thrown out. People were leaving the crowd with broken noses, climbed into traffic lights, generally behaved like monkeys. Durov laughed heartily. Shame on you, Pavel, "writes Ekaterina Abramova.

                  What good is there? The whim of the rich. Victoria Nuland also once had fun in Artek, throwing seeds on the ground and watching. how other children fought for them.
                  1. Thor
                    Thor April 25 2018 04: 13
                    +3
                    Greed and rudeness are not only among officials. And the nouveau riche.

                    Carts are now making lemonade out of lemon and PR on hype with airplanes that launch idiots, already under the slogan “Internet freedom”!

                    The cart is not the Internet, but just a messenger, and not the best.

                    And the whole story, as I recall, began with a request for correspondence of specific suspects. But the boys with airplanes from 5000r, instead of asking for a court decision, began to PR and swelled right up to the "defense of freedom" ...

                    negative
                    1. Mimoprohodil
                      Mimoprohodil April 25 2018 15: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Thor
                      but just a messenger, and not the best.
                      Which is better? Which is better? And it can be blocked next
          2. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil April 24 2018 11: 57
            +5
            If parents let young children on the Internet, buy tablets, a phone, then parents are to blame, not the Internet
            1. Vend
              Vend April 24 2018 12: 51
              +5
              Quote: Mimoprohodil
              If parents let young children on the Internet, buy tablets, a phone, then parents are to blame, not the Internet

              Yes you? Today, schools are asked to do projects. information for which can be taken only from the Internet. Try to ban. They will sit at school with friends, and you will not know. To ban the Internet for children. It is necessary to ban social networks, fashionable gadgets, etc.
        2. Serge Gorely
          Serge Gorely April 24 2018 10: 12
          +4
          Quote: Greenwood
          Quote: Wend
          need to introduce responsibility for the quality of posts
          Mmm, but there are no other problems in the country, right? We live in Dubai, swimming in gold. It only remained that the politeness of the network to develop.

          Exactly! While swimming in gold, you can not wipe the ass ... Do not?
      2. Lunar daemon
        Lunar daemon April 25 2018 15: 02
        +1
        The same story was with my son, who assured me to a cry: 300 corpses say "absolutely reliable sources" (in the person of some prankers / bloggers with obscene nicknames, pseudonyms), and Putin's "lying" media say they are lying and underestimating everything. :)
    3. your1970
      your1970 April 24 2018 09: 39
      +3
      A hospital can work within itself ..
      it’s more complicated with Russian Railways than the authors see. They have a constant exchange of data on cars with all F / Roads - senders / recipients. Their uniform transportation rules (SMGS) force it to do
      1. S-kerrigan
        S-kerrigan April 24 2018 10: 18
        +6
        I will say more than that - this is an amateurish article (in terms of IT features). For the bases themselves can be "here" with someone, only this fact itself does not solve nifig.

        The same glands (which roads) - they have data in the EU (for cargo-transit-that's-it-that's-all). And there they are also required to have their own data (they have a similar cheromund). So, if you cut off either them from us, or us from them - everything swims all at once. For the integrity of the data is violated. That's it, kayuk.

        For the year 2018, sharing the Internet is easy to kill. Here no one has the right to split it up and make it "mine." If you want to use it to do at least some business.
    4. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 24 2018 10: 32
      +14
      1. The conflict between Durov and the FSB coincided with the Zuckerberg investigation, which "got its Facebook" in one place. Had this happened in another time interval, there would have been no analogies. But it turns out that Pasha started playing the game “Freedom to Yuri Detochkin”.
      2. It seems to me that the FSB’s not current sysadmins will be more literate than the guy from Roskomnadzor. The main events are yet to come. Beginner will not poison him. But spitting in the face of the special services is a thankless task.
      3. Somebody likes censorship, or dislikes .... And on the VO site you can’t do without administrators - every day they block a lot of inadequacies. Otherwise, there would be a complete mess. Dura lex sed lex ...
      4. We are so used to feeling free in the virtual space recently that in real life we ​​began to experience problems about this - a lot of passers-by and cyclists appeared on the streets who can’t see and hear nothing but the gadget in their hands. And 10% of all accidents comes from the fact that drivers either basle on a mobile phone, or again "hang" in the internet while sitting behind the wheel.
      5. Personally, I did not experience any particular difficulties, about which Runet shouted so frantically. Yes, my data is on certain sites. But in real life, you can get what is called "in the hole." Those. - it is a matter of time - "Will we all die someday" ...
    5. Mih1974
      Mih1974 April 24 2018 19: 42
      +4
      And can you argue the arguments in the article with arguments, but not emotions? Of course, of course, “it was necessary to personally come to each office and check where they have and what is stored,” only the next step is not higher mathematics, but “arithmetic” = we divide the number of offices, desks and generally any sites by the number of FSB technical specialists and we get - 100500 years. negative
      Now, in essence, there is a “computer industrialization” of the times of Comrade Stalin - “bloody” with “mountains of corpses”, but if this is not done then there will be no “corpses”, but it’s not a fact that we’ll have time to get ready for June 22. fool . How many times have they threatened to disconnect Russia from SWIFT, and how many different people spoke of it as "unreal and it will be worse"? Look at the EU, with their foolishness to subordinate the United States in terms of sanctions against Russia - losses and problems already disappear in tons of dough, but "they continue to eat the cactus." The more we "civilized," namely computerized, the more we became vulnerable to the war of the West. Look what is happening now when we ourselves “slightly” closed the door, and now project it on sanctions and imagine that Russia was really cut off from the Internet !! Only Russia seems to have become "Internet independent", securing full domain independence (the specialist will understand the rest, just believe), and then it turned out that it turned out to work and work on "security". For the good - you need a "Chinese version", that is, FULL pupping with limited access to external resources. And now you don’t need to scream now, as if your testicles were pinched by the door. The West has ALREADY shown that it is our Enemy and it’s striving to destroy us, and I’m not talking about nuclear strikes (just answers), but you can destroy the country like the USSR - by seducing the elite from within or like Ukraine - by playing on internal contradictions.
      For those who “don’t need to scare us that Russia is in the ring of enemies” - certainly not in the ring because the West is a miserable bunch of the entire population of the earth and not the largest economy. Therefore - it is necessary to build, there is no "fence" from the West (the ability to influence us), but the systems are completely autonomous with exits "to the non-West." Yes, yes, all the same BRICS and other countries who will be able to break out from under the "west".
    6. olegactor
      olegactor April 24 2018 23: 15
      +1
      and what you don’t like ... there is a law that must be obeyed ... I would have looked at the durov if he had been in a pin ... I would have started to donate to Russia ... I would have rested on bunks a long time ago
    7. dzuar saubarag
      dzuar saubarag April 25 2018 16: 30
      +1
      It’s time to recognize him as an extremist organization! His actions sometimes give the impression of uniform wrecking
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 24 2018 06: 18
    +9
    Paul stood in a beautiful pose and talked about freedom, confidentiality, and other universal values ​​... For on the one hand, a person who seems to be a light in a window with the Internet, and on the other, the Office.

    In Russian, Durov decided to beautifully go down a little against the wind .... bully
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 24 2018 06: 34
      +22
      Quote: aszzz888
      Durov decided to go beautifully down a little against the wind
      The analogy is inappropriate. Telegram continues to work successfully even without a VPN. But a bunch of services really showered. Including state ones. And who did worse in the end? Myself or Pasha Durov? Yes, Durov sits and burns with these nonsense in the ILV, only the extra messenger was made to his messenger.
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 April 24 2018 07: 47
        +10
        But when the FBI issues an order to him, then Durov will run to them on the tracks, faster than a steam locomotive. They will be worse for him
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 24 2018 08: 09
          +2
          Quote: Evil543
          when the FBI orders him

          so the FBI is different from the FSB.
          1. S-kerrigan
            S-kerrigan April 24 2018 10: 23
            +12
            What does the FBI have to do with it?
            Do you even know what E-to-E / End Encryption is? This is the basis principle (call it whatever you like). And here, as in mathematics, there is no "2 + 2 = 5".
            It's not about Derov / FBI. The basis itself says that "to hell with you, not the key." For there is no this key. And it won’t be - this is the foundation of E-to-E. And in our reality (physics-reality) there is nothing to be done with this, as if someone there didn’t overthrow it.

            People have a normal desire to keep information private. And people want not to share it with anyone. They have the right to do so. Not slaves. And not cattle. And technology provides this. The technology can be implemented independently and implemented anywhere. There would be a desire + necessary software development skills.

            PS The same terrorists - if they want, they will write their own messenger to themselves. And the actions of Roskomnadzor are stupid shame and indiscriminate censorship in the worst form.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny April 24 2018 11: 48
              +2
              No need to fuss.
              Already in my opinion they clearly explained that the purpose of these events is different than any Telegram there. This is just a reason to start putting things in order.
              Gradually.
      2. Mikech76
        Mikech76 April 24 2018 09: 45
        +6
        Greenwood, read the article?
        Since a bunch of services (state) fell in, it means they hosted abroad
        . which violated Law No. 242 of July 21, 2014 “On Amending Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation in Part of Refining the Procedure for Processing Personal Data in Information and Telecommunication Networks”.
        Now many websites even in Rosnet transfer to the FSO site.

        and Pofik everyone on Pashka, not everything was started for him.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny April 24 2018 09: 59
          +5
          His turn will come, everything is in order.
          Teenagers on the Internet can rave about as much as they like on the topic "Pasha is getting lost," and "everything works."
          The state slowly and carefully twists the taps of the flows of slops into the heads of juvenile fighters with the regime.
          And rightly so.
          1. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth April 24 2018 10: 57
            +7
            Firstly, far from cautious, but like an elephant in a china shop.
            Secondly, such actions provoke people to use proxies, socks and vpn.
            Internet control doesn’t add
            1. Mestny
              Mestny April 24 2018 11: 51
              0
              Well, why? It depends on what goals.
              For example, it turned out that state-owned companies post their data abroad, thereby violating another law.
              Great, this will be fixed.
              Then the same officials actively use the same telegram and other shit messengers directly from the service network. This will also be fixed.
              Already the results.
              What Vasya Fortochkin uses and through which VPN is of no interest to anyone is the task of another stage.
            2. Cube123
              Cube123 April 24 2018 16: 46
              +3
              Quote: forty-eighth
              Firstly, far from cautious, but like an elephant in a china shop.
              Secondly, such actions provoke people to use proxies, socks and vpn.
              Internet control doesn’t add

              The standard way to configure network security is to first deny access to everyone, then open it only to those who complain and explain to their superiors that without this and that, he will not be able to carry out work duties. As a result, a lot of rubbish is sifted out very quickly and a bunch of holes will be caulked. Extremely effective way.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 24 2018 17: 10
                +4
                Quote: Cube123
                first, deny access to everyone, then open only to those who complain and explain to the authorities that without this and that, he will not be able to perform work duties

                I confirm yes
                Quote: Cube123
                The standard way to configure network security ...

                ... and not only. Only recently, it was with this method that I reorganized access rights. Everyone and everything, of course, didn’t cut off, but howl still was a lot laughing
      3. ZAV69
        ZAV69 April 24 2018 15: 32
        +2
        No, they did everything right. Public service - use a national data center. For there is a law that must be respected.
        1. Rusticolus
          Rusticolus April 25 2018 04: 28
          0
          But what is there no such law? Do not mislead people.
          The law clearly states - only personal data!
          About the rest of the content of the service there is not a word.
      4. Mih1974
        Mih1974 April 24 2018 19: 46
        +2
        So they write to you Russian in black - it was a stress test (!!!!) and ALL who showered are "violators of the law on data storage in the Russian Federation." Moreover, instead of the panic “save yourself who can turn off the Internet from the West tomorrow,” we ourselves “painlessly” began preparations for such a scumbag from their side. fool
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 April 24 2018 06: 39
      +14
      Quote: aszzz888
      Paul stood in a beautiful pose and talked about freedom, confidentiality, and other universal values ​​... For on the one hand, a person who seems to be a light in a window with the Internet, and on the other, the Office.

      In Russian, Durov decided to beautifully go down a little against the wind .... bully


      I went. Both small and large. And all against the wind. Only here is not Durov.
  3. BZTM
    BZTM April 24 2018 06: 27
    +14
    Yes, let them cut down all the Internet time, more free will be for people for live communication and everything else.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 24 2018 06: 48
      +22
      Will you make payments? In the savings bank it’s the turn to stand, as in the good old 80 ???
      Quote: BZTM
      Yes, let the whole Internet be cut down
      It’s funny, most of all people who agitate for all these prohibitions are those who do not understand Internet technologies and have never mastered a computer beyond the opening of a Word document.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny April 24 2018 10: 01
        +1
        This meant the uncontrolled flow of slops from all the cracks under the strict guidance of Western theorists.
        We do not need such an Internet.
        let the rest remain and develop.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth April 24 2018 10: 19
          +2
          The pig will find dirt.
        2. S-kerrigan
          S-kerrigan April 24 2018 10: 29
          +3
          It is one and whole. Like your intestines and microflora in it. This is an ecosystem.
          We must be able to live with it.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny April 24 2018 11: 58
            +3
            When any rubbish starts in this indivisible and whole - do not forget to tell the doctor about the inadmissibility of interference in your "single and indivisible intestinal system."
            Don't let your totalitarian paws go wherever they ask.
            Well, it's over and you have to learn to live with it. True, not for long.
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan April 26 2018 04: 31
              +1
              I repeat once again - in your intestines all kinds of rubbish has started up a long time ago (it’s just that the body has the power to fend it off) and lives. Run to the totalitarian doctor, well, run-run-run-run!
        3. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 24 2018 12: 22
          +10
          Quote: Mestny
          uncontrolled flow of slops from all the cracks under the strict guidance of Western theorists.
          How do you separate an uncontrolled stream from a control one? Waste from useful information? Western from domestic theorists? Everyone, you know, has their own criteria and their attitude to a particular material on the network. For example, I consider the agitation of United Russia and the materials of the meetings of the government as slops, yeah.
      2. jjj
        jjj April 24 2018 10: 42
        +3
        Quote: Greenwood
        Will you make payments? In the savings bank it’s the turn to stand, as in the good old 80 ???

        The Mir system works in Russia, Visa and Mastercard were forced to create physical processing centers in Russia, so that domestic payments were made exclusively within Russia
        1. Mestny
          Mestny April 24 2018 12: 01
          0
          To teach them is only to spoil. This is from the series a single, equal power, a single, same people, a single, same Internet.
          One and the same brain of one taken teenager.
      3. Mih1974
        Mih1974 April 24 2018 19: 48
        +2
        Especially for stupid people, EVERYTHING is dealt with in the article that according to the LAW, all these payments, websites of online stores, etc. SHOULD have long been INSIDE the Russian Federation and now we would not even have noticed the actions on something blocking there.
      4. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus April 25 2018 04: 31
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        Will you make payments? In the savings bank it’s the turn to stand, as in the good old 80 ???
        Quote: BZTM
        Yes, let the whole Internet be cut down
        It’s funny, most of all people who agitate for all these prohibitions are those who do not understand Internet technologies and have never mastered a computer beyond the opening of a Word document.

        Why? They still managed to register on the forum. Everything, we can assume that almost already experdty. fellow
    2. Nix1986
      Nix1986 April 24 2018 07: 02
      +10
      Do you live in a cave and hunt a mammoth? Soboleznuyu. And you must think like this before writing nonsense.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day April 24 2018 08: 12
      +4
      Quote: BZTM
      Yes, let them cut down all the Internet time, more free will be for people for live communication and everything else.

      that's for sure. And then in the morning you wake up and immediately on the Internet what happened in the world. Then at BO, what's new?
      Save your nervous system! More attention to the family!
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 24 2018 09: 19
        +4
        Still ban electricity and plumbing with sewage. But the ancestors lived for thousands of years without this, and here we will live. lol
  4. raw174
    raw174 April 24 2018 07: 01
    +9
    Censorship is needed online. Tough censorship. I think everything is being done for this in order to prepare technological capabilities, the legislative framework and society for censorship. I support censorship on the Internet. Today it may be crooked, tomorrow solutions will be found, and after tomorrow the network will be under control, the main thing is to do this work ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 24 2018 07: 21
      +18
      Today it may be crooked, tomorrow solutions will be found

      And I am categorically against the censorship that the current Roskomposor unleashed.
      Forbidding everything and everything, this organization simultaneously blocks us the gateways of information through which we can draw up our vision of the world.
      What is happening now is imposing on us the point of view of the ruling class of officials ... some official Pupkin in the ILV will decide what to read to you ... watch and listen as he understands ... and it may turn out so that he may be behind him some kind of scumbag like GREF who solves his tasks as a banker-usurer due to illiteracy and ignorance of the truth by the population.

      I am categorically against such a formulation of the solution to the issue of the Internet.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 April 24 2018 08: 29
        +4
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        And I am categorically against the censorship that the current Roskomposor unleashed.


        I do not like cold cynicism
        I do not believe in enthusiasm, and also -
        When someone else reads my letters,
        Looking over my shoulder.


        Me too, like Vladimir Semenovich:

        Let big changes lie ahead
        I will never love it.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny April 24 2018 12: 03
          +1
          You can go to a free country. To live for a while. Feel the complete freedom from censorship and the complete inviolability of a bright personality.
          And then, after the end of the prison term, come back to Russia and continue the struggle for all the good against all the bad.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood April 24 2018 12: 24
            +4
            Quote: Mestny
            You can go to a free country. To live for a while. Feel the complete freedom from censorship and the complete inviolability of a bright personality.
            Have you been? Lived? Have you felt on yourself? Or, as always, pass our speculation for the truth?
            1. Mestny
              Mestny April 24 2018 12: 47
              0
              Well, my words clearly will not convince a staunch fighter with the system.
              If I say that we lived and were - still do not believe it.
              And that we observed the above-described situation "from the first row" - you will not believe it all the more.

              And one more thing.
              We share exactly two categories.
              For those who pass off their conjectures as truth, and those who pass off others as truth.
              The former differ from the latter in the presence of these same conjectures. That is, the ability to speculate, that is, to draw independent conclusions.
              I regularly use it myself, and I highly recommend that everyone develop this quality in themselves.
              Before waving the definitions of "as always."
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood April 24 2018 13: 13
                +4
                Quote: Mestny
                If I say that we lived and were - still do not believe it.
                And that we observed the above-described situation "from the first row" - you will not believe it all the more.
                DO NOT need me your "believe-do not believe". I don’t believe it yet. Give concrete examples of how you personally suffered from the arbitrariness of the police state in the hated West.
                Quote: Mestny
                For those who pass off their conjectures as truth, and those who pass off others as truth.
                The former differ from the latter in the presence of these same conjectures. That is, the ability to speculate, that is, to draw independent conclusions.
                I regularly use it myself, and I highly recommend that everyone develop this quality in themselves.
                Before waving the definitions of "as always."
                You would have more specifics and less "water" in the comments. I’m not a lawyer, I don’t like “water”.
          2. Mih1974
            Mih1974 April 24 2018 19: 50
            +1
            I support how there this “egg killer" to Red Square in "free France" is doing? tongue good
      2. raw174
        raw174 April 24 2018 09: 41
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Forbidding everything and everything, this organization simultaneously blocks us the gateways of information through which we can draw up our vision of the world.

        A double-edged sword ... What about the so-called "Death groups"? and the contacts of the terrorists? How to limit them? No, permissiveness does not lead to good anywhere, and even more so on the network. Messengers do not greatly affect overall awareness ...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 24 2018 10: 06
          +16
          Quote: raw174
          What about the so-called "Death groups"?

          Telegram death groups ?? "Groups of death" on VKontakte were! Why don't you want to close VKontakte about this? Telegrams of the "death group" are not interested, since there the audience is not for children.
          Quote: raw174
          and the contacts of the terrorists? How to limit them? No, permissiveness leads nowhere to good

          There are 180 million active users in Telegram! Because of the two three terrorists, you will deprive millions of people of a secure connection ?? Let's ban kitchen knives, they are used by terrorists more often.
          Frankly, you just always and in everything justify the current government, there are many such people.
          1. Antares
            Antares April 24 2018 10: 40
            +7
            Quote: Stas157
            Let's ban kitchen knives, they are used by terrorists more often.

            2.2% of all deaths (violent) die in road accidents, and 1.4% more suicides (by the way, more than from wars and terrorist attacks, 0.2% of everything there)
            Conclusion-machines are death machines. The main terrorists. laughing Autoforum-meeting of terrorists. Future and real
            1. raw174
              raw174 April 24 2018 12: 33
              +2
              Quote: Antares
              and suicides another 1.4%

              the more suicides, the less suicides, in such a paradox wassat
          2. raw174
            raw174 April 24 2018 10: 57
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            "Groups of death" on VKontakte were! Why don't you want to close VKontakte about this?

            It’s not about shutting down, but about censorship and control, it has become a bone of contention, control.
            Quote: Stas157
            Frankly, you just always and in everything justify the current government, there are many such people.

            No, it's not true. Each decision has at least two sides and each has the right to exist. I think that state control should be tough.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood April 24 2018 12: 26
              +8
              Quote: raw174
              but about censorship and control
              Who will decide what is censored and what is not. What needs to be controlled and what isn’t? Our corrupt bureaucrats? You know, there is no trust in them from the word "in general".
              1. raw174
                raw174 April 24 2018 12: 36
                +2
                Quote: Greenwood
                Who will decide what is censored and what is not. What needs to be controlled and what isn’t?

                Competent authorities and special services. Who in ILV is applying for the limitation of certain resources? ILV doesn’t act after all ...
                Quote: Greenwood
                You know, there is no trust in them from the word "in general".

                You know, the problems of the Indian sheriff are not worried wink
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood April 24 2018 14: 55
                  +6
                  Quote: raw174
                  Competent authorities and special services.
                  The authorities have already demonstrated their level of competence.
                  1. raw174
                    raw174 April 25 2018 06: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    The authorities have already demonstrated their level of competence.

                    Yes, I consider the level of competence of the FSB sufficient. People work in good conscience, they catch barmales in the Russian Federation, and they stop their plans. Further, I hope the bar will not be lowered ...
                    1. Schima68
                      Schima68 April 28 2018 22: 25
                      +1
                      Ravil, I agree to all 100, There is a law and it must be respected, who do not like it, a suitcase station.
          3. Mih1974
            Mih1974 April 24 2018 19: 54
            +1
            Recall the "massive mining" What happened that year, and maybe from Hohland, that there was a panic during the Kemerovo tragedy? am am
            And then if you are "for complete freedom" then we are going to your place to kill and take away all your valuables. Shaw - I do not like it, but what about "complete freedom"? Ah, then you are for - complete freedom for YOU, and for others - the Law. Here the hrenushka here is all one, all in one boat. Or we all live in compliance with the Law and are punished for violation or complete anarchy, with "who is stronger is right."
    2. Mussasi
      Mussasi April 24 2018 08: 25
      +2
      Yes, it is naive to believe that the Internet space will remain a free platform from the control of government agencies. For a long time in all countries they have been putting pressure on the Internet of giants such as Facebook, Google, YouTube, etc. All the same, states will take control of this industry sooner or later, but it already exists, China, for example.
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth April 24 2018 08: 45
        +6
        When everyone talks about censorship in China, they forget to add that analogues are created there and all popular and useful foreign services are duplicated. Is it from ignorance or from harm?
        And still full of Chinese in the forbidden fb and votsap. This is already a question of the effectiveness of the "great Chinese firewall."
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 24 2018 09: 02
        +6
        Quote: Mussashi
        China for example.
        Yeah, I calmly, being in Beijing, went to Google, watched videos on YouTube and checked my Facebook page. The Great Chinese Firewall, AU ?! Where are you?!
        1. Mussasi
          Mussasi April 24 2018 13: 25
          +1
          Yeah, but they used the provider. Probably some kind of Chinese !?
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood April 24 2018 14: 56
            +3
            Local provider, but naturally I used proxy and VPN. The bottom line is that all these prohibitions work without problems.
            1. Mussasi
              Mussasi April 24 2018 15: 52
              +1
              Yes, the point is not that you can get around it all, but that the vast majority of Chinese inhabitants use their "censored" Internet! And he seems quite satisfied with them.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood April 25 2018 08: 33
                +1
                Quote: Mussashi
                the vast majority of Chinese people use their censored Internet!
                Just like the vast majority of Russians are sitting on the Internet, rarely visiting foreign sites. And the reason is banal - the language barrier. By the way, a lot of Chinese users are registered in Facebook “blocked” in China.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day April 24 2018 08: 25
      +14
      Quote: raw174
      I support censorship on the Internet.

      censorship WHAT? What prevents the country from living or what prevents the authorities from living? I think that what prevents the authorities from living. Since times are foreseen to be turbulent in economic terms, this censorship, like the Russian Guard, is a loop for the people.
      Volokolamsk Mayor Peter Lazarev fights with landfills in the suburbs and protests against the governor.
      He was called by the head of the administration of the governor of the Moscow region, Mikhail Kuznetsov, and offered to write a letter of resignation with an open date, promising otherwise the opening of custom-made criminal cases against the intractable head and the launch of his family around the world, which was allegedly already agreed with Andrei Yarin, head of the main department of internal politics presidential administration.
      On behalf of the person named “General I.I. The Tkachev’s official was advised not to do anything, as the training ground allegedly would be the following, “where the order will be cleaned up.” On April 13, employees of the Office for Combating Economic Crimes arrived at Lazarev’s house and conducted a search.
      The same thing happens in the Serpukhov district.
      For some reason, the mayors of the cities of Moscow region are trusted, than the governor. I came across the last, rare ....
      And law enforcement agencies provide force support to resolve the personal financial issues of the governor.
      Remember how Governor Voroyev refused to comply with Putin’s order about the Balashikha dump.
      Here for concealment of censorship similar to them and is necessary!
  5. free
    free April 24 2018 07: 12
    +5
    The fact that the data will be transferred to Russia is good. But what’s next is the question.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 24 2018 08: 27
      +9
      Quote: free
      But what’s next will be the question.

      remember the immortal Chernomyrdin- "they wanted the best, but it turned out as always!"
  6. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 24 2018 07: 47
    +13
    "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" .... the "digital state" is the new hobby of the "sun-faced" (with the "state" - a "profitable company, led by effective managers" somehow did not work out because of the "low efficiency" of work people and the machinations of the "State Department"), so to speak, a new "mulka" ...... Naturally, "in a digital state", everything should be under the control of those who will run the "state administrators" with this "figure". The first step is to control the "environment" -Internet, which is done. What we see now is not even “flowers,” and even more so, they do not expect “berries” in front, such as “fun,” “test of the pen,” “probing the possibilities” and “response” .... the most “interesting” waiting for everyone to come ....
  7. Ren
    Ren April 24 2018 07: 53
    +2
    You write what you don’t know about.
    All, I emphasize, ABSOLUTELY ALL public services services are rotated on Russian servers, in Russian server and data centers, mainly on RTK sites! Health sites - similarly, or in server (DPC) regional administrations!
    Do not grind rubbish, but rather learn the practice and the legislative framework!
    For reference, take an interest in the budgets of DITs reg. administrations, state procurement, as well as related inform. plan by departments through the Civil Defense and Emergencies Ministry (such as projects 112 (EDDS), Safe City, Information Society, etc., etc.) fool
  8. Ren
    Ren April 24 2018 08: 05
    +1
    Additionally, if the task was to block access to bourgeois resources (not in the territory of the Russian Federation), then it would have been completed long ago soldier - Internet by Internet, but EVERYTHING !!! ground trunk channels for the territory of the Russian Federation in the hands of one near a state provider. lol
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus April 25 2018 04: 55
      0
      Lies. Each major highway has its own cross-border channels.
      1. Ren
        Ren April 25 2018 12: 24
        +1
        Quote: Rusticolus
        Lies. Each major highway has its own cross-border channels.

        And what “major” highways do you know that have their own cross-border cable lines and, accordingly, channel-forming equipment? TTK and RTK do not offer, specials also do not count - start, name at least 2 operators! bully
        Even the Big Three operators do not have them, not to mention regional providers.
        Have you ever worked on backbone networks (SSOP)? Familiar with the national core network? Do you know title documents for cross-border SL?
  9. Operator
    Operator April 24 2018 08: 06
    0
    With such a philosophy, VO will close soon, since it still stores users' personal data abroad. The law is harsh, but it is the law.

    The Telegram has 40 million users in Iran and 12 million (was) in Russia.

    Guess who pays extra to Western providers to keep prices low for hosting Russian sites.
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth April 24 2018 08: 53
      +3
      Quote: Operator
      Guess who pays extra to Western providers to keep prices low for hosting Russian sites.

      And what, the prices for Russians and non-Russians differ? It would be fun if it were true. Western intelligence services guard the interests of Russian business laughing
      1. Operator
        Operator April 24 2018 09: 21
        0
        Hosting prices differ depending on which direction the traffic from the site is directed to.

        You were born just yesterday? laughing
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth April 24 2018 11: 19
          +2
          What are you talking about? If you look at the structure of the Internet, you will see anything there, but not state borders. Right now, the package can go through Germany, Singapore or Argentina, depending on which hop will give the minimum response at a particular point in time.
          1. Operator
            Operator April 24 2018 12: 16
            +1
            Do you know about the existence of the Chinese segment of the Internet?

            And in general - for what reasons is it necessary to maintain a wild situation when you have to get in touch with Voronezh from Moscow via Berlin or Helsinki?
            1. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth April 24 2018 15: 02
              +3
              Of course I know. But the question of its isolation remains open. And as a Chinese-speaking part of the global web - yes, it exists for itself.
              Why is this a wild situation? Explain your point.
              And why this happens physically explain by analogy: imagine that the Internet is a city. Then roads will be wires, routers will be intersections with road signs, and cars will be information packets. Well, do not forget about traffic rules - routing protocols, as well as about the philosophy of traffic in our "city" - the delivery of information from point A to point B as soon as possible.
              In our little analogy it remains to add an initial condition: periodically in different parts of the "city" traffic jams occur.
              Well, now everything falls into place and in accordance with the meaning: to get from A to B in the shortest time, you often have to go not by the shortest road, but by the least busy.
              So there is nothing wild about this, very convenient and competent.
              1. Operator
                Operator April 24 2018 17: 47
                +1
                You can not explain to me - I work in a programming organization.

                It is convenient only from a technical point of view, in defense terms, all packages with internal information should not go beyond the border servers of the Russian Federation. Only packages with export-import information should go to the external network.

                Intranet as it is.
                1. Rusticolus
                  Rusticolus April 25 2018 05: 03
                  0
                  So what's the problem? Issue the law, for refusing to peer - all the leadership of the highway to the bunk. Start with Rostelecom. And nothing will go anywhere abroad.
  10. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin April 24 2018 08: 06
    +3
    Yes, everyone does the right thing. It's time to bring our piece of the network, read the trash, in proper form.
  11. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn April 24 2018 08: 23
    +3
    The author's point of view is naive and primitive. The Internet is not only listed
    Job. This is information. This is communication. This is entertainment.
    . Unfortunately, this is also a battlefield. Since we are sitting on this site, take information as a weapon, and not just the opportunity to make yourself a gesheft and a pleasant spinal reflex from clicking on the pixels.
    Durov started playing democracy, and all that was needed was to remove the public encryption keys from the messenger. But he decided to play on the forbidden and everyone got what happened. I would disable this feature in the messenger and there would be no problems with the transfer of keys at the request of the special services. But greed brought money.
    As for those who came under the distribution - iboneh to store data abroad, the law is also written under this. Smart people generally have mirrors, if they don’t get money.
    In general and average, the strategy and tactics of military operations on the Web are extraordinary and require rethinking to successfully counter the threats that arise there. We’ll learn how to beat the adversary, where are we going to go and symbolically upload our GIF on May 9 on some terribly secret CIA server that is not connected to the Internet at all :)
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 24 2018 09: 10
      +16
      Quote: g1washntwn
      Durov started playing democracy, and all that was needed was to remove the public encryption keys from the messenger. But he decided to play on the forbidden and everyone got what happened. I would disable this feature in the messenger and there would be no problems with the transfer of keys at the request of the special services. But greed brought money.
      And what, did Durov himself and the Telegram somehow suffer from all this clowning? No. Many others suffered.
      Quote: g1washntwn
      Iboneh to store data abroad, the law is also written under this.
      The article wrote about this. There is nothing to pull up prices for hosting within the country, then they will not climb over the hill. There are plenty of analogies in real life. There is Crimea, and people are going to rest in Thailand. There is a domestic "auto industry", and people are saving up for Toyota. Make conditions and services of the same level inside the country, and there will be no need for abroad. But prohibitions cannot solve the problem.
      Quote: g1washntwn
      Learn to beat the adversary
      The main adversary is sitting in the head of our Kremlin officials and is called "indefatigable greed." And, unfortunately, fighting with him is much more difficult than with all kinds of CIA.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 April 24 2018 10: 35
        +9
        Quote: Greenwood
        Make conditions and services of the same level inside the country, and there will be no need for abroad.

        It is necessary to think the same, but when officials need to think, the head begins to hurt and the appetite worsens.
        In fact, our state is a wonderful example of the Stone Age culture. The main method of extraction is gathering. A simple example. We have a traditional hole in the city budget. What do officials do? The solution is simple - car parking in the business center of the city becomes paid. Officially, this is done out of concern for citizens - the environment is there, etc., as well as to be more spacious and where to park. As an argument, there are many places where this is done so and everything is fine. Holland is there, Denmark. The officials themselves go to work in jeeps, only some of them put cars in the courtyards of office buildings, and some became disabled, and the disabled can be free of charge. The eye rejoices - disabled people all as one on the black Land Cruisers began to ride, lepota.
        As a result, small business got into the headstock. Those. I. If you need an office or a sales outlet with normal traffic in the center, then you want to or not, but you have to park. Unload property, goods, etc. Or you have to drop into the office for an hour, you will not drive the car out of the city and come by tram. You’re not really killing much time. By the way, the service on buses and trams for some reason did not become Dutch or Danish, like paid parking. All the same cramped, gas chamber and the stench of smoking drivers, race and accident. And parking fees this year increase by 25% - such things.
      2. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn April 24 2018 12: 47
        +1
        And who specifically suffered? I did not notice. This is called making an elephant out of a fly. There are analogs to this telegram like dirt and at least everyone is trying to abide by the law. And Durov began to fool around and stand up for him even greater stupidity.
        The state is power. Power is enforcement of certain rules. Rules are established by authorities to maintain statehood. Everything, the circle is closed. If you find yourself in this simple closed cycle, then you are most likely from these very authorities, ordinary people just twist this carousel. This is not news at all and there is no need to wave flags and blame officials for everything, this is typically servile syndrome. An antelope can take offense at any rate on a lion that eats it; for a lion, the process of eating an antelope is a natural process. And do not tell that the antelope, turning into a lion, will continue to eat grass. Do you moan that a lion is chewing your sirloin? Most likely you were not careful enough and do not run well.
        About "everything is hurt there, but our cow died" the old song, became boring. Dismiss this primitive swamp agitation.
        In this situation, I am on the side of the state, because the likely risks to my health and the life of my family are not worth a few lines of program code that someone did not want to change for the sake of public relations of their program.
        As one of my friends said to rumors about cases of bird flu: "Yes, just burn them all! Have I bought vouchers for nothing?" :)
  12. Clueless
    Clueless April 24 2018 08: 23
    +14
    In many ways, of course I do not agree, but the essence of the article is correct. A very good check is made to establish the iron curtain. Only:

    1. Somehow everyone unanimously forgot about Yarovaya’s law, about the storage of ALL audio, video, text and other types of information of each user in Runet - and this is much worse than the story with a telegram. Imagine what a normal neural network can do with the analysis of this data? A couple of months of data collection for each citizen and get a complete dossier - what he talks about, with whom he sleeps, where he spends money, how his business is organized. THIS IS ALREADY SCARY! For in dishonest hands, such a thing is worse than the ring of omnipotence from a fantastic trilogy. And to take into account how security officials and officials live in our country, it is easy to imagine what this will lead to.

    comment: what is a neural network, you can easily look at the same google image search, where the system easily understands what is displayed on it

    2. It is difficult for us to make the iron curtain in China, we do not manufacture equipment, we are already used to the free Internet. Such as in China we can’t do, except that they will remove anonymity, i.e. passport entry and all that will be. And this is necessary in the first place ... correctly, for paragraph 1 of this comment, so that each citizen can make a dossier directly, digitally.

    3. Most likely in the near future we will carry out small terrorist attacks, and the anonymous Internet itself will be declared the culprit of Durov. Like, if everything was according to the law, there wouldn’t be a terrorist attack. I bet on the viskar that before the end of the year it will happen and everything will be described in the news, as I wrote.

    4. We are losing the IT industry, it seems that some of the officials simply decided to make our country simply oil and gas production - it does not need an intellectual business. For now, look at the profile sites where IT specialists are sitting - everything is boiling now, hatred over the edge of our government - IT resources are suffering, many startups have come under attack (including mine), etc.

    5. Next - the last of all actions is to ensure that the youth revolts, begins to hold a rally. Why is this done? Elementary - in order to tighten the nuts, they still will not be able to change their power, they will receive all the deeds by the horns. But gaies will spin even more.

    6. No one will not close the border - everything will be done so that people can leave the country if they wish. Let us note the current - not without our help (Russia) everything is being done so that Russian abroad is perceived as an enemy to all living things. Those. borders are open, want to live in another country? Ride it! They hate you there? Then stay, but please, act according to our rules.

    Think many points of delirium? You just take and write down the points that we have adopted laws in the past 10 years, we are dragged in small steps under the analogue of North Korea, using our patriotism and love for the motherland :(

    Complicated? Ok, just go and open a business, and you will understand that in order to work legally and officially, honestly and decently, you just need to earn money from the air, otherwise you will simply be uncompetitive. Those. everything is done in order to complicate your development! Moreover, tax will be raised soon (see the news). By the way, how many by-laws do we have in any inspection structures (fire department, sanitary services, tax, etc.) that relate to business? 1 thousand? 10 thousand? .. few. More than 1 million!

    So gentlemen, welcome to North Korea.

    P / s If I won’t be here in the near future, then they already took me :) Yes, and with them, I’ll survive :)
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan April 24 2018 10: 38
      +3
      4. We are losing the IT industry, it seems that some of the officials simply decided to make our country simply oil and gas production - it does not need an intellectual business. For now, look at the profile sites where IT specialists are sitting - everything is boiling now, hatred over the edge of our government - IT resources are suffering, many startups have come under attack (including mine), etc.

      Tops of Habra - all on the topic of migration "from the complete ass." The leaders (countries) are precisely those who have not reached such senility.

      He came here (in the Russian Federation). He was a clear supporter of what was happening. But now my opinions have also changed - I thought about the tractor for the first time. And "there" is just the name. This is not the first year. For they need "intellectual resources." And here the development of modern and promising complexes is not needed - Cheburnet is needed.
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 April 24 2018 20: 06
      0
      Yes, yes, go to "blessed America" ​​and live there happily. That's just a little bad luck - Millions are leaving, and only a few are achieving something (becoming known as having achieved). tongue
      For those who are so stupid that they didn’t understand the article, the West closes the exit border (see Deribaska and Co.), and on the Internet Russia provides itself with “Internet security” as it had with “food security”. fool
    3. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus April 25 2018 05: 16
      0
      And what about the option - all because of attendants.
      As soon as someone announces the addition of a money transfer service, then it also becomes objectionable. The story with Line apparently has already been forgotten, but there everything was one to one, only there was much less noise. But there is a positive point, that the blocked Line that did not “transmit the keys” still works without any problems. laughing
  13. Clueless
    Clueless April 24 2018 08: 25
    +3
    Quote: Ren
    You write what you don’t know about.
    All, I emphasize, ABSOLUTELY ALL public services services are rotated on Russian servers, in Russian server and data centers, mainly on RTK sites! Health sites - similarly, or in server (DPC) regional administrations!
    Do not grind rubbish, but rather learn the practice and the legislative framework!
    For reference, take an interest in the budgets of DITs reg. administrations, state procurement, as well as related inform. plan by departments through the Civil Defense and Emergencies Ministry (such as projects 112 (EDDS), Safe City, Information Society, etc., etc.) fool


    Along the way, do not forget to mention that we have a private company serving Roskomnadzor, data analysis under the spring law, etc. ;)
    1. Ren
      Ren April 24 2018 08: 43
      0
      Quote: Bad
      Along the way, do not forget to mention that we have a private company serving Roskomnadzor, data analysis under the spring law, etc. ;)

      What and in what respect does a private company serve and what kind of company is it? tongue
      1. Antares
        Antares April 24 2018 10: 48
        +1
        Quote: Ren
        Quote: Bad
        Along the way, do not forget to mention that we have a private company serving Roskomnadzor, data analysis under the spring law, etc. ;)

        What and in what respect does a private company serve and what kind of company is it? tongue

        At first I thought about the “Inspector” system, but then I realized what the author of the post was talking about.
        About 10 billion rubles are spent from the budget on the maintenance of Roskomnadzor per year. But the performance of a state-owned company is rather strange.
  14. Clueless
    Clueless April 24 2018 08: 39
    +3
    Quote: Operator
    With such a philosophy, VO will close soon, since it still stores users' personal data abroad. The law is harsh, but it is the law.

    The Telegram has 40 million users in Iran and 12 million (was) in Russia.

    Guess who pays extra to Western providers to keep prices low for hosting Russian sites.


    Dear, there the prices are the same for everyone. Do not hang noodles on your ears. Maybe at times promotions are held to attract additional clients, there isn’t such a permanent
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 10: 18
      0
      Personal data - do you think those that the user himself invented?
      I’m disappointing. These data are not of great value in most cases.
      This personal data - passport, TIN, actual address of residence - does not store.
    2. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus April 25 2018 05: 23
      0
      Enchanting nonsense of course. Someone even saw at least once that before calling the price of the tariff, the hosters asked where the data from the data center would go? And how to define a Russian site or not? This is something like ... I ordered hosting, screwed the domain ru and you got the price off in two?
      If anyone finds such a hosting, be sure to share it. It will not rust after me. drinks
  15. Clueless
    Clueless April 24 2018 08: 39
    +2
    Quote: Operator
    With such a philosophy, VO will close soon, since it still stores users' personal data abroad. The law is harsh, but it is the law.

    The Telegram has 40 million users in Iran and 12 million (was) in Russia.

    Guess who pays extra to Western providers to keep prices low for hosting Russian sites.


    Dear, there the prices are the same for everyone. Do not hang noodles on your ears. Maybe at times promotions are held to attract additional clients, there isn’t such a permanent

    Not only what personal data does VO store? You first google what personal data is :))
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus April 25 2018 05: 52
      0
      So Google is banned. laughing
  16. Altona
    Altona April 24 2018 09: 01
    +5
    Quote: Greenwood
    The analogy is inappropriate. Telegram continues to work successfully even without a VPN. But a bunch of services really showered. Including state ones. And who did worse in the end? Myself or Pasha Durov? Yes, Durov sits and burns with these nonsense in the ILV, only the extra messenger was made to his messenger.

    --------------------------------
    I do not sympathize with Pasha, but all sorts of prohibitions and blockings have touched me since the time of the Party Congresses of the CPSU, where they preached to us that "everything is harmful," and they themselves have always used it. As long as there is a VPN and other workarounds, it is useless. At least, while China will not have its own technological and software analogues.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 10: 12
      -1
      While the idea that the leadership of their own country is worthless and that we need to get rid of it, no laws and prohibitions will naturally work.
      It then becomes clear that, together with the wrong leadership, the country itself is being removed, unexpectedly for the especially gifted.
      But that later.
      And about "all sorts of prohibitions" I recommend asking how this is done, for example, in the United States.
      Very interesting. Note to all lovers of freedom.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 24 2018 15: 11
        +3
        Quote: Mestny
        the leadership of their own country is no good
        The way it is. With the gentlemen from EdRa we are not on the way.
        Quote: Mestny
        It then becomes clear that, together with the wrong leadership, the country itself is being removed, unexpectedly for the especially gifted.
        That is amazing. In South Korea, the president was arrested for corruption, but the country has not gone anywhere. How so?
        Quote: Mestny
        And about "all sorts of prohibitions" I recommend asking how this is done, for example, in the United States.
        Well, tell us briefly how to deal with this in the USA. I here ...
        Quote: Mestny
        Very interesting.
  17. unignm
    unignm April 24 2018 09: 12
    +1
    pests and incompetent people are sitting in the Roscomview. you need to do everything in the usa there are all silk
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 10: 10
      -2
      How about in the USA?
      And somewhere I already heard it, and more than once - "now we will drive away the wrong thieves, and we will live like in the USA!"
  18. MadCat
    MadCat April 24 2018 09: 26
    +5
    people turn into a herd obedient to officials who have received posts by inheritance, to a brighter future as the DPRK leaders seek. Also, all this is servile, welcoming and rejoicing like blissful rams. There is no mind of yours, then the master’s path will indicate how to think with whom to sleep and where to live and what kind of palm oil is choking. fellow
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 10: 09
      -2
      All-Maidan! Enough tolerating this!
      This is exactly what round dance around children and talented adults on the Internet are for. Which, as you know, all as one bright personality, and in no case should not be a herd.
  19. dgonni
    dgonni April 24 2018 09: 33
    0
    Zuckerberg did receive the facet precisely for the drain of personal data on 50 million users. Therefore, Durov did not give keys for decryption. Well, the idea of ​​chopping net from the global? not a bad idea, but Ilon MASK is already rubbing his hands and counting profits. For he plans to get his satellite global globally completely by 2024. And given that the European part will be covered in the first place, then by the year 2021, anyone who has bought equipment for satellite net from Mask will put down all the bans. Something like this
    1. Wilderness
      Wilderness April 24 2018 09: 41
      +1
      Equate this equipment to the "spyware" and all things.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni April 24 2018 09: 46
        +1
        Og, a tablet-sized gadget that will be produced in the hundreds of millions? Although the mind may be enough laughing
        1. S-kerrigan
          S-kerrigan April 24 2018 10: 44
          0
          tablet-sized gadget

          Um, you’re mistaken, there will be no frail sizes such a completely “plate”. This is still not a "radio" that can only listen. It is also necessary to return the signal there. And the transmitter must also be powerful. The prototype was shown, just the size of the roof of a car sedan.
  20. Mikech76
    Mikech76 April 24 2018 09: 48
    +1
    Quote: Greenwood
    Will you make payments? In the savings bank it’s the turn to stand, as in the good old 80 ???

    And what problems can be with payments in a bank hosted (by law) in Russia?
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan April 24 2018 10: 45
      +2
      It has no role - the economic system is global. Requires communication "with the big earth", i.e. with the whole planet.

      There will be no connection - there will be a "break". For there will be no confirmation of transactions. And if a spherical person has no problems within this country. Then the bank and the same person will have problems if he wants to at least somehow spend money on anything outside. For the rest of the world and a penny broken will not give for not verified movement of funds in the accounts.
  21. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 24 2018 09: 58
    +3
    "I look forward to the announcement on the pavement:
    "salt
    mixture
    proxy
    vpn "
    (Joke)
  22. Mestny
    Mestny April 24 2018 10: 05
    -2
    Quote: raw174
    Censorship is needed online. Tough censorship. I think everything is being done for this in order to prepare technological capabilities, the legislative framework and society for censorship.

    What for?
    It is enough for everyone to conclude an agreement with the provider to issue a permanent IP, prescribed in this agreement.
    And accordingly, a law that places responsibility for the content of information on the owner of such an IP.
    The relevant authorities will always have the opportunity to find out - from where did they write this and that, for example.
    I assure you, if such a law is severe enough, no censorship will be needed in the main.
    The best censorship is your own wallet.
  23. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub April 24 2018 10: 05
    +5
    I agree that there is no need to control. But still there is fear that again we are covered with an iron cap, that the all-seeing eye of Sauron is constantly watching you. And it’s one thing when a person is watched by a court decision, another thing is when your data is from a real stranger who is unfamiliar to you in uniform, who does not know how to dispose of this information. For clarity, I can recall the movie Snowden. We would not be in that shoes
  24. would
    would April 24 2018 10: 08
    +2
    The article is simultaneously about everything and about nothing. There is no clear beginning, no logical continuing middle, no clear end to the result. The feeling that they pulled out proposals from some journalistic articles and anyhow connected them. As a result, I physically cannot comment on the article, but have already indicated the actual errors.

    As for the general situation, then everything is quite assumed. Telegram and Durov at this stage of the confrontation won dry (!!!) without any losses from the ILV. Telegram not only did not lose its audience in the Russian Federation, but even jumped on it, everyone wanted to see what it is, why there is so much talk about it everywhere. And since the authorities forbid it, it means something good. Streisand effect in the domestic version. But "thanks to" the ILV actions collapsed many, including state-significant services. It was exactly the collapse of the online box office, it was like the collapse of Internet banking, it was just the collapse of JOSAGO. And Telegram physically cannot lose in this battle, and if ILV defeats someone, then only the Russian people and Russian business with the Russian budget. And the beginning of this victory has been laid already for several years.

    I would write more, but it will pull on the whole article and not the fact that there will be a response. In short, we are waiting for the gradual Sinization of the Internet in which all the same they will not be able to ban anything. Even in China where the Internet can initially only slow down the receipt of information that is not beneficial to the state, but not exclude it.
  25. Imobile
    Imobile April 24 2018 10: 10
    +1
    In my opinion, telegrams are the FSB project (60% sure). And the shutdown was carried out in collusion to find out if there would be a velvet revolution if the entire Internet was turned off. The experiment for the authorities was successful, there are not so many indignant and everything is on the couch, now there will be a complete disconnection of the Internet, I believe, for the next presidential election.
    1. would
      would April 24 2018 10: 26
      0
      now there will be a complete disconnection of the Internet


      That is, in your opinion, the government will destroy one of the fastest growing sectors of the economy that reached an export of $ 2017 billion in 7 in an extremely short time?

      Of course I know what level our government has, but when it comes to billions, they sharply become more reasonable. lol

      * Why was the word forbidden? Is that censorship?
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      2. Imobile
        Imobile April 24 2018 10: 48
        +3
        Power will destroy any mechanism that threatens it. No matter how necessary it is. Believe me, if medicine threatened to be on the throne, we would be left without hospitals and hospitals.
        1. would
          would April 24 2018 15: 21
          0
          That is, the government will destroy its source of income? Maybe the oil industry also slams at the same time? Ndaaam .... how, however, everything is bad with you.
      3. Antares
        Antares April 24 2018 10: 51
        0
        Quote: rait
        That is, in your opinion, the government will destroy one of the fastest growing sectors of the economy that reached an export of $ 2017 billion in 7 in an extremely short time?

        hardly. But to get a part of the profit through the control of such a fat jackpot is quite.
        Where the money goes, officials and laws appear.
        (I don’t know if there is such an expression in the world, but it will be)
        1. would
          would April 24 2018 10: 57
          0
          That’s what I’m talking about.
  26. Mestny
    Mestny April 24 2018 10: 24
    -1
    Quote: Bad
    We are losing the IT industry, it seems that some of the officials simply decided to make our country simply oil and gas production - it does not need an intellectual business. For now, look at the profile sites where IT specialists are sitting - everything is boiling now, hatred over the edge of our government - IT resources are suffering, many startups have come under attack (including mine), etc.

    If we consider the "IT industry" messengers crawling like mold with tons of crap from young children, then yes, it's time to end this "industry".
    To write all sorts of nastiness on all fences and adolescents frolic in plenty until they forbid them.
    Is your stratap from the same category?
    1. would
      would April 24 2018 10: 28
      +2
      If you consider the "IT industry" spreading like mold messengers


      From now on in more detail. Is this a popular Russian messenger?
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus April 25 2018 05: 39
        0
        How so? There, of course. They said so on TV - the most popular one. wassat
        Was it in vain that they licked the cart?
    2. Snakebyte
      Snakebyte April 24 2018 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: Mestny
      If we consider the "IT industry" messengers crawling like mold with tons of crap from young children, then yes, it's time to end this "industry".

      There are, for example, the world's best flight simulators - IL-2 and DCS. Users of both projects now have problems with updates.
      Or the military historical portal WarSpot. Which belongs to Wargaming.Net (although not a Russian company, but still, most of the audience is from here).
      And then they say that the developers are bad, they moved to Cyprus.
      1. would
        would April 24 2018 15: 22
        +3
        Wargaming.Net (although not a Russian company, but still, most of the audience is from here).


        I think it is worth mentioning here that Wargaming.Net is from the union state of the Republic of Belarus. That is not completely alien. And a bunch of employees of this company from Russia.
  27. Altona
    Altona April 24 2018 10: 29
    +7
    Quote: Mestny
    While the idea that the leadership of their own country is worthless and that we need to get rid of it, no laws and prohibitions will naturally work.

    -----------------------------------
    Leadership should lead, not engage in social experimentation and demagogy. While the leadership has the idea that the population owes it, and not it, to the population, the state will not work normally. And if they put you in charge, then do it professionally, and don't be a social parasite that has climbed to the top of the food pyramid.
  28. Altona
    Altona April 24 2018 10: 31
    +1
    Quote: Imobile
    The experiment for the authorities was successful, there are not so many indignant and everything is on the couch, now there will be a complete disconnection of the Internet, I believe, for the next presidential election.

    ------------------------------
    Can you explain the meaning of this event? To chop off our hands and head ourselves?
  29. Clueless
    Clueless April 24 2018 10: 33
    +4
    Quote: Mestny

    If we consider the "IT industry" messengers crawling like mold with tons of crap from young children, then yes, it's time to end this "industry".
    To write all sorts of nastiness on all fences and adolescents frolic in plenty until they forbid them.
    Is your stratap from the same category?


    And that the IT industry is our current messengers? ;)
    Better teenagers in messengers write nasty things to each other than take up pitchforks. For you always need to give the people the opportunity to throw out anger somewhere. Previously, this was achieved in wars, now the Internet is on this business. Much safer and more efficient.

    And by the way, what’s wrong with messengers? Those. propose to return to the pigeon mail? Messengers are now the basis of any large business, because they can save tens of times on communications, especially if they also provide audio, video, rooms, bots, etc. Particularly large companies have their own "closed" messengers, or do you think they just poured money into their development? ;)
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 12: 20
      -2
      So I do not argue. Pay attention to the word "If" at the beginning of my post.
      You yourself write about the fact that “we lost the IT industry” only on the basis of blocking one single messenger.
      And since you are telling us that your "startup" is also covered - it is not difficult to conclude that it is just a series of instant messengers, moreover, based precisely on foreign servers.
      What prevents you from reorienting the project to its functioning on domestic resources? to offer it to the same state-owned companies?
      I'll tell you what.
      Your project will not be able to offer anything outstanding to these companies. What others do not have. Because you imprisoned it as the next platform for bright personalities free from everything.
      And this is precisely this sector of the IT industry that we no longer need. Enough of what is.
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus April 25 2018 05: 42
        0
        But for example, I do not have enough of what is. Not well, of course, if someone gives me a 10% stake in the mail group, then so be it, I will sit on the priest evenly and do nothing.
    2. ZAV69
      ZAV69 April 24 2018 15: 53
      0
      Quote: Bad
      And by the way, what’s wrong with messengers? Those. propose to return to the pigeon mail? Messengers are now the basis of any large business, because they can save tens of times on communications, especially if they also provide audio, video, rooms, bots, etc. Particularly large companies have their own "closed" messengers, or do you think they just poured money into their development? ;)

      All this is just ordinary microsoft exchenge, which is specially made for large companies. Do not want from melkosoft - a bunch of analogues on unix. Why else in a large company some kind of telegram?
  30. Clueless
    Clueless April 24 2018 10: 34
    +1
    Quote: Imobile
    In my opinion, telegrams are the FSB project (60% sure). And the shutdown was carried out in collusion to find out if there would be a velvet revolution if the entire Internet was turned off. The experiment for the authorities was successful, there are not so many indignant and everything is on the couch, now there will be a complete disconnection of the Internet, I believe, for the next presidential election.


    Exactly, and as a project of the FSB, he at one time voluntarily gave his share in the VC. Do not carry garbage;)
  31. Imobile
    Imobile April 24 2018 10: 51
    +4

    ------------------------------
    Can you explain the meaning of this event? To chop off our hands and head ourselves?
    For those who watch the zombie loyalty 99% of those who look for the truth on the Internet less than 10% That's the answer
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 12: 12
      -2
      Igor, correctly write "zomboyaschik."
      They don’t explain anything to you there at school?
      You are the main school graduate. And you will manage to find the truth on the Internet.
  32. Imobile
    Imobile April 24 2018 10: 55
    0
    Quote: Bad


    Exactly, and as a project of the FSB, he at one time voluntarily gave his share in the VC. Do not carry garbage;)
    This is actually not important and does not affect the complete disconnection of the entire Internet. Rather, the star search engine and the Kremlin website will work
  33. Clueless
    Clueless April 24 2018 10: 56
    +3
    Quote: Imobile
    Power will destroy any mechanism that threatens it. No matter how necessary it is. Believe me, if medicine threatened to be on the throne, we would be left without hospitals and hospitals.


    So already :)) They want to ban medicines from the USA and those countries that support sanctions against us, provided that there are analogues in Russia.

    Moreover, doctors everywhere write that our analogues are an order of magnitude worse, but the deputies are on the side, they will obviously take this matter soon.

    And if you take into account the statements of one of the deputies (a former journalist) that you will be treated with hawthorn, the level of attitude towards the people is immediately understood, even if it sounded like a joke. For an intelligent person - this will not joke
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 12: 10
      -2
      They want - who? Who specifically wants to? Quote?
      Here the teenage answer "power" does not fit. There are surnames, or most likely a surname.
      And the rest will see who it is, and how seriously you can take his statements.
  34. Imobile
    Imobile April 24 2018 11: 20
    0
    Quote: Bad
    Quote: Imobile
    Power will destroy any mechanism that threatens it. No matter how necessary it is. Believe me, if medicine threatened to be on the throne, we would be left without hospitals and hospitals.


    So already :)) They want to ban medicines from the USA and those countries that support sanctions against us, provided that there are analogues in Russia.

    Moreover, doctors everywhere write that our analogues are an order of magnitude worse, but the deputies are on the side, they will obviously take this matter soon.

    And if you take into account the statements of one of the deputies (a former journalist) that you will be treated with hawthorn, the level of attitude towards the people is immediately understood, even if it sounded like a joke. For an intelligent person - this will not joke
    My mother has a thyroid drug from Germany, there is a Russian analogue, I can’t say that it is worse, but my mother was allergic to it and almost died. If it is banned only because barrels were closed to several oligarchs in the west, then this will not end in good for the authorities
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 12: 08
      -1
      Mom this is an overwhelming argument. Who prompted?
      Igor, correctly write “thyroid”, “brothels” and “closed”.
      Learn to write correctly, and then your posts about mom will be taken more seriously.
  35. turbris
    turbris April 24 2018 11: 58
    +1
    The authors now justify the availability of databases on foreign servers by their cheapness - original! And in violation of the law, how? Or loot does not apply to any laws? Then everyone rushed to accuse Roskomnadzor of incompetence, nothing can be blocked! And now they got excited when it turned out that it was possible! And cleaning the Internet in Russia is a very useful thing, just the violators of the law have come to light, besides Telegrams. If I correctly understood that VO uses servers in Germany, then VO must be blocked without any regret!
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 12: 34
      -2
      Precisely loot.
      And in order to change this situation, and force it to comply with the law, it is necessary to start sometime. In this way. Because conversations and exhortations do not work.
  36. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 24 2018 12: 02
    -1
    "- But do not we swing at William ... our ... Shakespeare?
    - And sweep !!! "(c)
    I am deeply sure that they will still swing ...
  37. Mestny
    Mestny April 24 2018 12: 05
    -2
    Quote: Stas157
    Telegram death groups ?? "Groups of death" on VKontakte were! Why don't you want to close VKontakte about this? Telegrams of the "death group" are not interested, since there the audience is not for children.

    The question is that the Telegram refused to cooperate with the authorities.
    VKontakte did not refuse such cooperation - why close it?
    1. turbris
      turbris April 24 2018 12: 08
      +1
      Not to cooperate with the authorities, but to comply with the law are two different things; there is no need to distort the real state of affairs.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny April 24 2018 12: 26
        -1
        Once again, the authorities, on the basis of the law, appealed to the Telegram management with a request to provide some kind of classified information. Management defiantly refused. Then an appropriate court decision was made.
        Where is a similar scheme for SS VKontakte?
        Did the authorities turn to VKontakte management with a similar request?
        No, they did not apply.
        But the leadership of the Telegram just did not fulfill the requirements of the law.
        1. turbris
          turbris April 24 2018 12: 40
          0
          How do you know you didn’t apply? It’s just that Vkontakte fulfilled the requirements of the law, but no Telegrams, Durov decided to set up a PR for himself as an advocate of freedom of information - everything is very simple.
  38. Prutkov
    Prutkov April 24 2018 12: 06
    +1
    Surprising this howl that "bad people deprive the Telegram." And turn on the brains? Each sovereign state, if it considers itself so, has a sovereign airspace, sea space, land, and an additional information space has been added. And this space must be protected from intrusion. If everything is clear with the first three spaces - there are border guards, the FSB, then they have begun to deal with information only now. It looks strange that any organization that basically refuses to comply with Russian laws is "hanging around" in the Russian information space. And if you consider that such an organization belongs to a citizen of the state, which takes an openly anti-Russian position, then the actions of the state in the person of ILV can be understood. Yes, they cut it alive. But these are the consequences of the lack of boundaries on the Internet. Now they are. And do not talk about the fact that Pasha Durov is the main "fighter for freedom of speech." He is a fighter for VERY BIG MONEY and nothing more.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 12: 28
      -2
      Teenagers, in principle, do not understand. They are sure that to spoil at all angles their sovereign right as free, bright personalities.
      Therefore, arrivals through juvenile snot are always perceived on the verge of hysteria - the pattern that the whole world revolves around them, each separately, collapses. But in fact, nobody needs them.
  39. Sedoy
    Sedoy April 24 2018 12: 15
    0
    curious version ...
    has the right to life ...
    only a vague doubt torments me: are there people up there who are capable of calculating all the moves in such a "chess" way ...
    considering implementation methods ...
    or the methods of such an implementation themselves were also part of the script ... :)
    then yes ... "do not put a finger in their mouth ..." :)
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 24 2018 12: 32
      -2
      That's right.
      It is naive to assume that the country is led by undereducated idiots. A lot of people are smart and capable of multi-way solutions.
      It is likely that the actions of the authorities seem to the majority at least not understandable. How many of us work, for example, in an enterprise - how many times have we explained the actions of the management of this enterprise, not having all the information?
  40. Imobile
    Imobile April 24 2018 13: 09
    0
    Quote: Mestny
    Mom this is an overwhelming argument. Who prompted?
    Igor, correctly write “thyroid”, “brothels” and “closed”.
    Learn to write correctly, and then your posts about mom will be taken more seriously.

    Mom is the truth. So what I write with errors, especially when I'm in a hurry. I studied in a Soviet school, and then I thought that I would become a physicist and Russian with literature did not think that they would be useful. So I finished all subjects on 5 except Russian and literature. Oh, I don’t have enough literate letters. Then I did not understand
  41. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov April 24 2018 13: 11
    +3
    Quote: from article
    In fact, we have “and let's filter out“ our ”Internet”, first in test mode. Let's see what of the big "our" will fall out. Fix it. Then "turn off".
    Fucking end for a tale of terrorists in the Telegram, but alas.

    With the first paragraph of the quote I AGREE. With the second paragraph - I do not agree. What’s so bad? Order should be. Chaos and permissiveness lead to sad consequences for people. This is all we have already gone through in real life. It’s time to draw conclusions.
    The authors of the article - moderators of VO - do not like the fact that some higher controlling body is going to build and organize them. At the same time, oh, how they like to build and organize VO visitors. It is somehow unfair. If we are built on the parade ground, then all together, and the charter for all is the same. Discipline and order have not hurt anyone.
  42. Clueless
    Clueless April 24 2018 13: 33
    +6
    You read some comments here, and immediately become creepy. Type ILV did the right thing that blocked the Telegram.
    And the fact that the constitution in our country does not work, which as a citizen guarantees the secret of my correspondence, I just do not give a damn (I'm talking about commentators).
    If I am a terrorist, go to court and they will give you access. But no, we want access to the data of ALL citizens.

    Gentlemen, commentators, how much do they pay you, what are you ready to paint, that such a policy is right? Those. TOTAL MONITORING FOR CITIZENS is this normal? .

    In the same Israel, they don’t ask for keys, and they’re successfully fighting criminals. If necessary, the secret services will also receive whoever is needed in the quiet, but NOT EVERYTHING.

    In a terrible time, we live when the citizens of their own country agree to put on a collar, a muzzle and, at the same time, friendlyly wag their tail to an owner who cannot even build a road normally. Tin.
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 April 24 2018 16: 50
      +1
      Learn at your leisure a patriotic act. In the USA, according to this document, THIS is normal. And I strongly doubt that this is not in Israel. Just no one advertises.
    2. Grandfather Eugene
      Grandfather Eugene April 26 2018 02: 25
      +1
      Quote: Bad
      TOTAL MONITORING FOR CITIZENS is this normal?

      Do you really have something to hide? You are not a weapon, you sell / buy drugs, commit financial crimes? Crossing the law in one form or another? If everything is clean, nothing to worry about. Citizens will have programs that reveal, by phrases and contacts with unreliable persons, unlawful acts that are dangerous for the security of the country. For ordinary conversations even of intimate content, there will be no time and work for robot programs and their operators, this is the lowest priority information, in such structures adequate employees are occupied with more important tasks than paying attention to empty, correspondence of citizens.
  43. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 24 2018 15: 36
    +1
    Soon everyone will be blocked at the request of the “victims” https://www.ferra.ru/ru/techlife/news/2018/04/23/
    putin-streisand-effect /
  44. Gennadich
    Gennadich April 24 2018 16: 05
    +2
    I completely agree with the author’s article .. the idiots and slogans of the regime go to hell
  45. Imobile
    Imobile April 24 2018 17: 11
    +1
    Quote: Mestny
    Igor, correctly write "zomboyaschik."
    They don’t explain anything to you there at school?
    You are the main school graduate. And you will manage to find the truth on the Internet.
    You are not an expert on age.
    It’s too late to learn the Russian language, I’m already 40. The main thing is that even though my thoughts are clear and that’s good ...
  46. BAI
    BAI April 24 2018 20: 14
    0
    In Ukraine, Yandex also turned off other resources. They could. China seems to be turning off something too.
  47. alexsipin
    alexsipin April 24 2018 21: 48
    +1
    I do not understand your negative reaction. This is all for your benefit. After all, they take care of you.
  48. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus April 25 2018 04: 45
    0
    Quote: Mih1974
    Especially for stupid people, EVERYTHING is dealt with in the article that according to the LAW, all these payments, websites of online stores, etc. SHOULD have long been INSIDE the Russian Federation and now we would not even have noticed the actions on something blocking there.

    Come on. But do not show this law? Where it is written about the sites of online stores, etc.
    The article chewed, as you put it, less than nothing. If only a link to the wiki would be given or something, where is the site explained. And the impression is that 90% here do not even roughly understand what is at stake. But they have their own "correct" opinion. “I have not read it, but I condemn it!” ©
  49. Clueless
    Clueless April 25 2018 08: 09
    +1
    Quote: Thor
    Greed and rudeness are not only among officials. And the nouveau riche.

    Carts are now making lemonade out of lemon and PR on hype with airplanes that launch idiots, already under the slogan “Internet freedom”!

    The cart is not the Internet, but just a messenger, and not the best.

    And the whole story, as I recall, began with a request for correspondence of specific suspects. But the boys with airplanes from 5000r, instead of asking for a court decision, began to PR and swelled right up to the "defense of freedom" ...

    negative


    Call the messenger cooler than the cart, you want to laugh :))
  50. Grandfather Eugene
    Grandfather Eugene April 26 2018 02: 07
    0
    The consequences could be calculated back in 2010 when DAM casually announced a hardware-software national firewall (network filter). In case of serious disagreements (war), the Runet will become like the North Korean national Gwangmyeon network combined with the allied states.