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American invasion of Russia

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24 April 1918, 100 years ago, American troops landed in Murmansk. Thus began the intervention in the European part of Russia, not only British, but also American troops. The period of the Civil War was the only one stories of our country, when the Americans managed to manage on Russian territory.




The reason for the intervention of the troops of the Entente countries to the north of Russia was the signing by the Bolsheviks of a peace treaty with Germany, which allowed Berlin to transfer part of the troops from the Eastern Front to the Western Front, as well as land landing forces in Finland. In London and Paris, they were concerned about the possible seizure by the German troops of the strategically important ports of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk. Moreover, the equipment supplied by the Entente countries was in Arkhangelsk. The landing of the troops was to ensure the overthrow of the Bolsheviks with the subsequent opening of a new front against Germany. But this was only one of the reasons for the intervention.

Political chaos in Russia created extremely convenient conditions for the division of the country into spheres of influence, up to the establishment of direct control over the most interesting territories in the military-political or economic sense. Murmansk was just very interesting in the same England - as the largest port in the region. Since England and France themselves did not possess at that time enough forces to conduct an intervention, they turned to the United States for help. President Woodrow Wilson readily agreed to help.

The most interesting thing is that the intervention of the Entente troops to the north of Russia began in the form of an alliance of Bolsheviks and the Entente for protection against the Germans and the White Finnish. 1 March 1918, the Murmansk Council informed the Council of People’s Commissars of the RSFSR that the British command was proposing to organize the defense of the Murmansk Railway against German and White Finnish troops.

People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Leon Trotsky replied that such a proposal should be supported and accepted. Therefore, the chairman of the Murmansk Council, Alexei Yuryev, already on March 2 of 1918, concluded a “verbal agreement”, which in fact provided the British, French and Americans with the opportunity to rule the Murmansk land. The first two groups of English marines landed in Murmansk already 6 March 1918 of the year, and then came the turn of the French and Americans.



By the summer of 1918, more than 10 of thousands of foreign soldiers landed in the Murmansk region. Already 14 June 1918, the People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs of the RSFSR protested over the presence of foreign troops in the ports of the country, but the United States, Britain and France ignored the protest. On July 6, the interventionist command concluded an agreement with the Murmansk Regional Council. From this point on, all orders of the military command of Great Britain, the United States and France became binding, the formation of separate Russian military units was prohibited, in the extreme case mixed Russian-foreign units could be formed. The agreement was signed by the representative of the USA captain 1 of the rank of Berger, the commander of the American cruiser Olympia.

On July 4, the Supreme Military Council of the Entente was held in Versailles, during which the situation in North-West Russia received a description of anarchy. It was decided to expand the military presence in the north of Russia, sending the 6 British, French and Italian battalions and the 3 American battalion there. At the beginning of July, 1918 was taken to Kem, then to Soroka station, and on July 30 to 1918, an operation began to take Arkhangelsk. 17 of the Entente warships approached Arkhangelsk, landing 2-thousandth troops in the city of August 9.

4 September 1918 4800 of American soldiers landed in Arkhangelsk, and 20 of September 500 American, 500 English and 700 French soldiers landed. Arkhangelsk was under the control of the invaders. For further advancement, a fleet was formed, which was to operate on the Northern Dvina and Vahe. However, the Red Army units gradually disabled the interventionist ships. Despite a clear advantage in numbers and weapons, the interventionists were forced to somewhat reduce their onslaught, faced with serious resistance from the Red Army.

The total number of interventionists was about 24 thousand people - 10334 people were planted in Murmansk, 13182 - in Arkhangelsk. But the interventionists did not succeed in advancing deep into Russia; in the fall of 1918, they were forced to stop progress and begin preparations for the winter. Naturally, this training was accompanied by the appropriation of property of the local population, which was both organized (at the initiative of the command) and spontaneous (actions of lower ranks) in nature.

American invasion of Russia


The seizure of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk turned the heads of the American elite. Increasingly, voices began to be heard about the need for a complete dismemberment of Russia, and the United States, according to many American politicians, should have taken advantage of the situation in Russia and gained control over the endless expanses of Siberia. 3 August 1918, after the landing in Arkhangelsk, the United States decided to send military contingents to Vladivostok. The Far East and Eastern Siberia, rich in natural resources, were very interested in the United States. Of course, the US did not intend to directly occupy these regions and turn them into their colonies, but their goal was to create puppet governments on the territory of the Russian lands that would allow Americans to plunder the country's wealth and natural resources with impunity.

16 August 1918, the American troops landed in Vladivostok. The number of American expeditionary force was 9 thousands of troops. Commanded by the American expeditionary corps "Siberia", Major General William Sydney Graves, who had extensive experience in the Philippines, where American troops opposed the local rebels. By the way, the backbone of the expeditionary corps consisted of precisely those infantry regiments that had previously operated on the Philippine Islands and became famous there for their cruelty to the local population.

One of the priorities of the United States in the occupation of the Far East and Eastern Siberia was to establish control over the Trans-Siberian railway. The American leadership convinced other allies that such a measure would contribute to a general improvement in the political and economic situation in the region. In fact, the establishment of control over the most important highway was for the United States, first of all, of economic importance, since it allowed controlling the shipment of goods and natural resources.

Western countries considered the collapse of the Russian Empire along with the collapse of the Austro-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire. Therefore, the American leadership considered it necessary to create on the splinters of the Russian Empire a number of independent states. Since Poland and Finland separated, in the USA they considered it necessary to support the independence of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia in every possible way, they planned to solve the problem of the Caucasus separately, and to place Central Asia under the mandate management of one of the allied powers. As for Russia itself, it was planned to dismember it in Ukraine, Great Russia (the European part of the country) and Siberia. Americans hatched the idea of ​​creating the Siberian Republic, which, of course, would be under the full control of the United States. Admiral Kolchak, supported by the West at the time as the leader of the Siberian state, enjoyed US support.

In December 1918, the US State Department adopted a program for economic development, and in fact - the plunder of Russian lands. During 3-4 months, over 200 thousand tons of goods were to be exported from the territory of Russia to the USA. In the future, the rate of export of goods was planned to increase. In order to ensure the final secession of the former territories of the Russian Empire, the United States provided significant military and financial assistance to the states formed on the national outskirts of the disintegrated empire.

The situation is very reminiscent of the post-Soviet period, when the United States also took over the financing of many post-Soviet regimes, effectively turning them into semi-colonies operating under US external control. So it was 100 years ago. For example, in 1919, Herbert Hoover came to Latvia, director of the American Aid Distribution Administration, who established contacts with Karlis Ulmanis, a graduate of an American university and the main conductor of American influence in Latvia. Ulmanis mode only in 1918-1920. received from the US 5 million dollars in service of the Latvian army.



As now in the countries occupied by Americans, then, 100 years ago, the American interventionists set about creating camps in the territory of Northern Russia they occupied. In prisons and camps created by Americans, British and French, there were thousands of people in the European North 52. By decision of the military field courts 4 thousand people were shot. The conditions in the camps were appalling, the feeding was very poor, and torture and harassment were widespread. The prisoners of the camps were forced to work for 18-20 hours, so dozens of Russian people died every day. 23 August 1918 was the most famous Mudyug concentration camp in the north of Russia, which became a real cemetery for victims of the Anglo-French-American intervention.

The American occupation forces in the Far East and Eastern Siberia acted even more brutally. Only in the Amur region, Americans destroyed 25 villages, suspecting their population in the support of the partisans. The centralized export from the territories occupied by the interventionists, forests, fur, gold, and other valuable goods began. But if the forest or gold were exported by train, under the control of the command, then ordinary soldiers and junior officers hunted for banal criminal robbery. There were not rare cases of murder, rape, beating of local residents by American servicemen.

Documentary information was kept about the torture and humiliation that the Russian invaders subjected the Russian people to before the murder. I must say that they did not differ from the atrocities of the German fascist invaders after two and a half decades. For example, the partisan N. Myasnikov was chopped to pieces alive, and the wife of partisan E. Boychuk was punctured with bayonets and drowned in a cesspool. Americans did not disdain to kill adolescents, children, women, old people, set fire to rural houses and schools. There are quite a few photographs that were taken at that time by the American soldiers themselves, who, evidently, were going to then brag about their stay in distant Siberia.



The Colonel of the American Army, Morrow, even recalled that his soldiers could not sleep peacefully without killing some Russian. On one of the days, American soldiers under the command of Morrow shot 1600 people who were brought in railway cars to Andriyanovka station. While in the countryside, Americans pretended to fight with partisans, in cities they simply dealt with criminal activity, for example, they robbed passersby, apartments of local residents. The command practically could not, and did not want, to control the chaos of the American soldiers.

After the defeat of Kolchak, the further presence of American troops in Siberia lost its meaning. In 1920, the Far Eastern Republic was formed. The American leadership was convinced that the plan for the collapse of Russia was fully implemented - a new independent state emerged in the Far East. One of its leaders was an associate of Leon Trotsky, Abram Krasnoshchekov, who was still in the early twentieth century. emigrated from Russia to Germany, and then moved to the United States. However, the Bolsheviks, as is known, deceived the interventionists, ultimately not unraveling, but uniting Russia. Already by 1921, most of the yesterday’s territories of the Russian Empire were united under the control of the Bolsheviks.

The lawlessness of the American occupation forces on Russian territory during the years of the Civil War practically stopped talking after the “perestroika”. Meanwhile, the United States did not suffer any, even moral responsibility for its excesses on the lands of Russia in the 1918-1920. Russia then experienced the same thing as in the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries. experienced and are experiencing the people of Iraq and Yugoslavia, Syria and Libya, Yemen and Afghanistan, Ukraine and Somalia, and many other countries of the world, visited by the “good uncle Sam”.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech April 24 2018 05: 35
    +6
    The People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs of the RSFSR protested in connection with the presence of foreign troops in the country's ports, but the United States, Britain and France ignored the protest.

    How indicative of today's Syria.
    One to one ... they climbed on a plausible pretext into the territory of a sovereign state and are hosted as they want ... and they can be kicked out only by armed means.
    Now I see that there is a direct threat to security for our country ... the same characters of the USA, England and another trifle again appeared at the western border, ready to clutch our throats at the opportunity.
    The intervention of the Entente forces in 1918 in RUSSIA clearly shows us the possibility of a new repetition under favorable conditions ... for example, a color revolution ... when our renegades of all stripes sell us offal to the sharks of world imperialism.

    We certainly need to bill the United States for the damage that they caused to our country as a result of the occupation of our territory ... I am sorry that the current leadership in KREMLIN has no political will.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 24 2018 19: 05
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      Not every one of us sets the score, but at the household level, remind people who continue to idealize and set an example in a conversation.
      Thank you Ilya for recalling this.
  2. BZTM
    BZTM April 24 2018 05: 36
    +10
    The Yankees would not calm down in any way - if not for our nuclear weapons, history would have repeated so long ago.
    1. Alber
      Alber April 24 2018 09: 01
      +2
      Quote: BZTM
      The Yankees would not calm down in any way - if not for our nuclear weapons, history would have repeated so long ago.


      They would be glad to repeat these descendants of robbers, bandits and adventurers ...

      where "good uncle Sam" was.
      Author: Ilya Polonsky [i] [/ i]
      Uncle Sam-Samuel-Samuel ...
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 24 2018 06: 16
    +10
    But if the forest or gold exported by trains

    And how many echelons Gold have the Americans taken out? lol
    Colonel of the U.S. Army Morrow even recalledthat his soldiers could not sleep peacefully without killing any Russian. One day, American soldiers under the command of Morrow shot 1600 people who were delivered in railway cars to the Andriyanovka station

    No memories the so-called American Colonel Morrow neither in Russian nor in English, no reference to his memoirs not in the American bibliography. The search for the source of this quotation, which is widespread exclusively in the writings of Russian historians, leads to an anonymous text with reference to non-existent book "Foreign interventionists in Soviet Russia", 1935 (This book is not listed in library catalogs).
    Tales- Horror stories are not a story.
    In fact:
    1. While there was no seizure of power by the Bolsheviks and treacherous Brest negotiations, there was no intervention.
    2. The Americans not only removed themselves from Russia, but also told the Japanese that they would NEVER recognize the seizure of Russian territory by Japan and demanded to get out of its territory, which they did.
    3. Intervents robbed, yes, but they appeared thanks to the Bolsheviks.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. April 24 2018 07: 08
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      Quote: Olgovich
      but they appeared thanks to the Bolsheviks.

      Both in the Murmansk and Arkhangelsk Soviets, almost all were from the Socialist Revolutionaries, i.e. today's liberals. And this scum dragger has always harmed Russia, from the time of the revolution to the present.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 24 2018 09: 01
        +3
        Quote: bistrov.
        e were from among the Social Revolutionaries, i.e. today's liberals.

        The Cadets are more like today's liberals, but certainly not the Social Revolutionaries.
    2. apro
      apro April 24 2018 07: 14
      +11
      Yes, Olgovich ... there are no words. In the courtyard where I live. As a child there were many old people who fought with the Japanese and Amers and Cossacks and who just weren't there. The Japanese animals were in punitive operations. But the Americans got to know about commercial operations. They messed up everything which was good and bad. in the battles did not climb much. more often they were gangsters.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 24 2018 09: 04
        +3
        Quote: apro
        .In childhood there were many old people who fought and with the Japanese and Amers and Cossacks

        How old are you, if not secret?
        I am about 60, but I haven’t met a single living participant in the GV.
        1. apro
          apro April 24 2018 09: 22
          +2
          Almost 50. in the 80s still strong old people a little over 70.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 24 2018 11: 45
            +3
            Quote: apro
            Almost 50. in the 80s still strong old people a little over 70.

            I only remember Budenny and Voroshilov at the Blue Lights in the 60s .......
        2. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak April 24 2018 18: 43
          +1
          Olgovich "I am about 60, but I haven’t met a single living participant in the war."
          I found my own grandfather. He was born in 1895, a participant in the First World War and the Civil War. I am 1 years old. I remember all his stories clearly.
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 24 2018 19: 17
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          I am about 60, but I haven’t met a single living participant in the GV.
          Something is wrong with these numbers, if only .... I thought you were over 80 .... otherwise, where did such archaic expressions as "disdain" "and" "swindler" "come from? Moreover, these are expressions of old women, well, very old?
          My mother is a little younger, but in her childhood, those who saw Lenin came to school. True, very old old people. But ---- told. But that was in elementary school only. And once, when my mother was in the 6th grade. There was such an invitee. There was a pioneer rally, the line was in the Hermitage in the hall where the map is made of precious stone.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 25 2018 06: 43
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            Quote: Reptiloid
            Something is wrong with these figures, if only .... I thought you were over 80 .... otherwise, where did such archaic expressions as "disdain" "and" "swindler" "come from?

            This is the RUSSIAN language, dear Dmitry. Beautiful, best and beloved.
            We still use other "archaisms": "Bakery", through "Ш" (instead of "bread shop", "Front door" - instead of the staircase-left from the St. Petersburg ancestors ...
            1. jjj
              jjj April 26 2018 17: 43
              +1
              Practice old school pronunciation, sir
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 27 2018 08: 59
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                Quote: jjj
                Practice old school pronunciation, sir

                St. Petersburg and Odessa we ....
                1. jjj
                  jjj April 27 2018 12: 00
                  +1
                  In St. Petersburg and Prague pronunciation schools, it is customary to say bakery. In the Novomoskovsk school "Sh" is already expressed not so much. There is a drop of vowels and a noticeable glide in "A". And the old Moscow school is well illustrated by the Maly Theater
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 27 2018 13: 24
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                    Quote: jjj
                    about St. Petersburg and Prague pronunciation schools, it is customary to say bakery.

                    You are right. hi I read and found out. But- mother studied in Moscow ...
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 24 2018 08: 30
      +10
      Quote: Olgovich
      .Intervents robbed, yes, but they appeared thanks to the Bolsheviks.

      The Bolsheviks came and issued permission to the invaders to rob and murder! And so the invaders were white and fluffy!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 24 2018 09: 10
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The Bolsheviks came and issued permission to the invaders on robberies and murders!

        Moreover, they gave them THREE countries forever! yes
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And so the invaders were white and fluffy!

        All solve their problems.
        And the intents appeared as a result of the policy of the Bolsheviks. they were NOT before them!
        CHRONOLOGY of events read ....
        1. not main
          not main April 25 2018 22: 32
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          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          The Bolsheviks came and issued permission to the invaders on robberies and murders!

          Moreover, they gave them THREE countries forever! yes
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          And so the invaders were white and fluffy!

          All solve their problems.
          And the intents appeared as a result of the policy of the Bolsheviks. they were NOT before them!
          CHRONOLOGY of events read ....

          I read it! And to my surprise I learned that the city of Petrozavodsk in 1919 was bombed by two seaplanes! English! And how do you compare this? And the flotilla was bombed! That's just your spirit is not enough to admit that your goals were much higher! A complete analogy with Syria! I can’t take it by force through the media! (Internet is easier now)!
    4. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx April 24 2018 09: 03
      +11
      Quote: Olgovich
      until there was a seizure of power by the Bolsheviks and treacherous Brest negotiations, there was no intervention.

      Plans and various agreements regarding intervention, and support for anti-Bolshevik forces, appeared immediately after the October Revolution, long before the Brest Peace.
      Quote: Olgovich
      The interventionists robbed, yes, but they appeared thanks to the Bolsheviks.

      In what ... But for example in Iraq, there were no Bolsheviks, but interventionists appeared. Why is that ? Or - in the pre-war Czechoslovakia-Poland - there are also no Bolsheviks, but there are interventionists. In general, bullshit is your theory.
      The fact is that intervention is possible only if the aggressor expects that the victim will not be able to provide worthy resistance, confident in his impunity.
      And the fact that Russia was in such a distress is a merit of the tsarist government and the EP. Therefore, the interventionists appeared thanks to them.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 24 2018 09: 29
        +3
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        Plans and various arrangements for intervention, and support for anti-Bolshevik forces, appeared immediately after the October Revolution, long to the Brest peace.

        belay
        The history of their country, did not have to read at all? belay
        T.N. a peace decree, a truce with the Germans and peace negotiations appeared and began immediately after the seizure of power
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        In what ... But for example in Iraq, there were no Bolsheviks, but interventionists appeared. Why is that ? Or - in the pre-war Czechoslovakia-Poland - there are also no Bolsheviks, but there are interventionists. In general, bullshit is your theory.

        I’ll develop your “thought”: there were no Bolsheviks in America, and the interventionists — Columbus and others — were. yes The same thing — in Avtrasralia, Africa, India, there were no Bolsheviks, but interventionists were. fool lol
        Bullshit your thought yes lol .
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        The fact is that intervention is possible only if the aggressor expects that the victim will not be able to provide worthy resistance, confident in his impunity.

        It is possible when it has a GOAL.
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        And the fact that Russia was in such a distress is a merit of the tsarist government and the EP.

        Germany was even more in distress — it was dying of hunger, a military loss in everything. A-Venria, Tuption is the same. In Russia, there was nothing like this. .
        NOBODY Bolsheviks did not ask for or “save” the country. Without them, she lived a THOUSAND years and became the largest country in the world. And there was no talk of intervention in airspace.
        But the Bolsheviks immediately gave THREE countries to the invaders forever. And the others pulled themselves up with them. These are FACTS, if that.
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx April 24 2018 10: 57
          +6
          Quote: Olgovich
          T.N. a peace decree, a truce with the Germans and peace negotiations appeared and began immediately after the seizure of power

          And?
          Quote: Olgovich
          I’ll develop your “thought”: there were no Bolsheviks in America, and the interventionists — Columbus and others — were. The same thing — in Avtrasralia, Africa, India, there were no Bolsheviks, but interventionists were.

          I am glad that you agree that for the intervention, the Bolsheviks are not a prerequisite.
          Quote: Olgovich
          Germany was even more in distress — it was dying of hunger, a military loss in everything. A-Venria, Tuption is the same. In Russia, there was nothing like this.

          Quote: Olgovich
          there was no talk of intervention in CAP

          It’s not entirely clear, and here GI, A-Hungary and Turkey, but RI also had military defeats, and the army more and more lost its combat effectiveness, and there were big problems with transport, and hunger, and the growth of separatism.
          And the fact that there was no intervention during the EAP, it is quite understandable - the EAP was completely subordinate to the will of “our partners”, and at that time they had no reason for the intervention. No matter how it goes on, one can only guess.
          Quote: Olgovich
          NOBODY Bolsheviks did not ask for or “save” the country

          Stop. Firstly, it was about the difficult situation in which Russia found itself, and which served as a reason for the arrival of the interventionists. What do you have any requests for?
          And secondly, for example, who asked the VP to "save" the country? Or, who "asked" to occupy the throne of a particular dynasty? And who in the mid-80s - early 90s, "asked" the current regime to come?
          Just there are certain forces that take power. And if the majority of the country's population, at least more or less loyal to the new government, then it takes root.
          Quote: Olgovich
          But the Bolsheviks immediately gave THREE countries to the invaders forever. These are the facts.

          Mr. fool , these are not facts, but lies.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 24 2018 12: 05
            +3
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            And?

            What is the and? You are told that Brest’s betrayal is FINAL already a betrayer, which began IMMEDIATELY on October 25th. What's not clear?
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            I am glad that you agree that for the intervention, the Bolsheviks are not a prerequisite

            You called them a condition. I’m talking about the REASON (the actions of the Bolsheviks). Catch the difference?
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            It’s not entirely clear, and here GI, A-Hungary and Turkey, but RI also had military defeats, and the army more and more lost its combat effectiveness, and there were big problems with transport, and hunger, and the growth of separatism.

            Germany had "Poverty" at times more than RI, where people did NOT die of hunger and victory was predetermined in the same way as defeat for Germany. So what nonsense are you talking about.
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            And the fact that there was no intervention during the EAP, it is quite understandable - the EAP was completely subordinate to the will of “our partners”, and at that time they had no reason for the intervention. No matter how it goes on, you can only guess.

            You are guessing, but I will cite the FACTS: with VP, there was NO intervention and VP was recognized by ALL. unlike the self-proclaimed so-called "Council of People's Commissars."
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Stop. Firstly, it was about the difficult situation in which Russia found itself, and which served as a reason for the arrival of the interventionists. What do you have any requests for?

            The Bolsheviks plunged her into this difficult situation by a coup, a stupid secret about peace and negotiations with the invaders.
            NOBODY instructed them to sign a truce, Brest and thereby lead the country to intervention
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            And secondly, for example, who asked the VP to "save" the country?

            VP-ALL recognized, including the Emperor. Tips, Duma, the whole world.
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Or, who "asked" to occupy the throne of a particular dynasty? And who in the mid-80s - early 90s, "asked" the current regime to come?

            belay
            The chatter went ...
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Just there are certain forces that take power. And if the majority of the country's population, at least more or less loyal to the new government, then it takes root.

            Capturing. And terrorize the majority of the population, which they NEVER NEVER ANYWHERE: no wonder YOU 70 years of elections feared like fire. Or tell us how in the 30s the Cadets, seers and VKPBe competed in elections to the USSR Supreme Armed Forces? No? What’s so? lol
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Mr., these are not facts, but lies.

            Truthand Brest betrayal CUT eyes? Cuts.
            Nothing, be patient ....
            1. rkkasa xnumx
              rkkasa xnumx April 24 2018 14: 34
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              What is the and? You are told that Brest’s betrayal is FINAL already a betrayer, which began IMMEDIATELY on October 25th.

              Did I ask something about the finals and semifinals?
              You wrote - "until there was a seizure of power by the Bolsheviks and treacherous Brest negotiations, there was NOT an intervention"; I replied that the intervention began to be planned immediately after the Bolsheviks came to power. Well, why did you start weaving about the Peace Decree? Even without you, I know perfectly well about him.
              And what kind of betrayal are you talking about? Did the Bolsheviks swear an oath to VP? Or swore allegiance to our and foreign bourgeois?
              Quote: Olgovich
              Germany

              Once again - what does Germany, A-Hungary, Turkey have to do with this topic?
              Quote: Olgovich
              You wonder
              VP-ALL recognized, including the Emperor. Tips, Duma, the whole world

              I don’t guess, but clearly explained why there was no intervention in the case of CAP.
              And what about the fact that the emperor recognized the VP (who, incidentally, the VP-shniki kicked from the throne), and the Duma with the allies? The vast majority of the population, the EP did not support, and did not "ask" him to save the country.
              Quote: Olgovich
              The Bolsheviks plunged her into this difficult situation.

              From after all what Bolsheviks are omnipotent! Everything was wonderful before them, the charm of the air, and other charms ... and then they came, and right away there was a food and shell hunger, a transport collapse, the Poles decided to secede (after all, this never happened!), Crowds of deserters ran from the front .. .
              And most importantly, it is not clear why the Bolsheviks arranged this all ... Not, well, it would have destroyed Russia, and dumped them into their own Germany-Israel (after all, the Masons had already completed the task). So no - they destroyed everything, and stayed for some reason ... and the invaders were hung with lyuley henchmen, and the country was lifted from ruins ... It's unclear ...
              Quote: Olgovich
              Chatter went

              Chatter is what you have between your ears. And you simply don’t have any arguments to my kament about “requests”.
              Quote: Olgovich
              Capturing. And they terrorize the majority of the population, who NEVER ANYWHERE chose them

              Great you made the Romanovs! I applaud while standing! good good good
              Quote: Olgovich
              Or tell us how in the 30s they competed in elections

              So you decide - you are a monarchist, or you are a liberal? Why are you so excited for the election?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 25 2018 08: 18
                +2
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                You wrote - "until there was a seizure of power by the Bolsheviks and treacherous Brest negotiations, there was NOT an intervention"; I replied that the intervention began to be planned immediately after coming to the power of the Bolsheviks.

                Oh, finally it came to the thief and there was no speech about the intervention. yes You are not an Estonian tankman, by chance (judging by the speed of arrival)? lolIntervention is a strict result of the Bolshevik thief, quite right! yes
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                Once again - what does Germany, A-Hungary, Turkey have to do with this topic?

                ONCE AGAIN: it is you who mentioned the plight of Russia as the cause of a thief.
                This is nonsense, because in other countries was much poorer, but thieves weren’t there. Got it?
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                And what about the fact that the emperor recognized the VP (who, incidentally, the VP-shniki kicked from the throne), and the Duma with the allies?

                He was recognized and formed, except for the Duma and the Emperor, ADVICE - how much more to teach you? Those. VP recognized-ALL in Russia and abroad- That's what "from that".
                Incidentally, "The February Revolution was made by a pro-vegetarian" (bald foreign tourist, PSS). You don’t know your person ?! belay lol
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                IMMEDIATELY there was food and shell hunger, a transport collapse, the Poles decided to secede (after all, this never happened!), Crowds of deserters fled from the front ...

                The most severe famine, before the extinction of capitals and cannibalism — it was the achievement of the Bolsheviks — the grain regions spat on the BOP.
                Projectile hunger in 17g? Yes, you are illiterate than you seemed. lol
                Desertion after stupid decree about peace, ceasefire and election of commanders increased by ORDER in comparison with RI and RR.
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                and a country from ruins raised...

                The Russian Cross and the catastrophe of the 91st is the result of “uplift” and “development” from the 17th year. Are you satisfied?
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                Chatter is what you have between your ears. And you simply don’t have any arguments to my kament about “requests”.

                Don't talk nonsense lol . nice man: you have nothing to argue with the FACTS, the edge of speculation and hollow.
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                you have made much of the Romanovs! I applaud while standing!

                belay fool lol
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                So you decide - you are a monarchist, or you are a liberal? Why are you so excited for the election?

                belay
                I am a normal person, opposing everything abnormal: an endless 70-year-old lie, the madness of destroying my people in the Great Patriotic War, in the 30s, against the islands of the cannibals Nazino, against triallessness, the "leadership" of one party, the lack of elections, the press, freedom.
                You are for it. And who are you?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 25 2018 08: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Desertion after stupid decree about peace, ceasefire and election of commanders increased by ORDER

                  Well, Olgovich, from this moment in more detail.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 25 2018 10: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Well, Olgovich, from this moment in more detail.

                    http://militera.lib.ru/docs/da/sb_oktyabrskaya_re
                    volutsiya_i_armiya / index.html
                    Only primary sources, no chatter.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 April 25 2018 10: 38
                      +2
                      Until the seventeenth year there were one and a half million deserters. You write - in ORDER. Did you learn math at school? I explain in a popular way, ORDER is TEN TIMES more. Where are 30 million deserters? am
                      1. Gopnik
                        Gopnik April 25 2018 14: 06
                        +1
                        Until the year 17, there were no 1,5 million deserters. And consider, then, a monthly desertion.
                2. rkkasa xnumx
                  rkkasa xnumx April 25 2018 09: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Oh, finally came

                  Mr. fool I immediately wrote - "Plans and various agreements regarding intervention, and support for anti-Bolshevik forces, appeared immediately after the October Revolution, long before the Brest Peace.".
                  And it's not my fault that you are a brake, and this kament has reached you just now.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  ONCE AGAIN: it is you who mentioned the plight of Russia as the cause of a thief.
                  This is nonsense, because in other countries it was much poorer, but there were no thieves.

                  Alone with our events, it did not happen, but there was a revolution in Germany. And the loss of territories was also, and the overthrow of the monarchy. And in Austria-Hungary there was also commotion, and the collapse of the empire. Well, about the fact that in other countries the situation was much worse, you are lying like usual.
                  In general, learn the materiel.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  He was recognized and formed, in addition to the Duma and the Emperor, TIPS

                  He was not supported by the vast majority of the population of Russia, and did not "ask" to save the country. Therefore, do not care who the VP recognized there.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Severe hunger ... Shell hunger ... Desertion ...

                  So you did not answer:
                  From after all what Bolsheviks are omnipotent! Everything was wonderful before them, the charm of the air, and other charms ... and then they came, and right away there was a food and shell hunger, a transport collapse, the Poles decided to secede (after all, this never happened!), Crowds of deserters ran from the front .. .
                  And most importantly, it is not clear why the Bolsheviks arranged this all ... Not, well, it would have destroyed Russia, and dumped them into their own Germany-Israel (after all, the Masons had already completed the task). So no - they destroyed everything, and stayed for some reason ... and the invaders were hung with lyuley henchmen, and the country was lifted from ruins ... It's unclear ...

                  And this ... I did not write about shell hunger at 17m. Stop raving already.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  I am a normal person, opposing everything abnormal

                  Oh so you mr fool for all the good, against all the bad ... And you do not have a clear position. Weather vane in general. Clear.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 25 2018 10: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    I immediately wrote - "Plans and various arrangements for intervention, and support for anti-Bolshevik forces, appeared immediately after the October Revolution, long before the Brest Peace."

                    Comrade tanker, you have "refuted" the axiom:
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    until there was a seizure of power by the Bolsheviks and treacherous Brest negotiations, there was no intervention.

                    You nosed into the fact and leaned that the betrayal began immediately after October 25th. yes And the intervention is after the Thief and Brest.
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    Alone with our events, it did not happen, but there was a revolution in Germany. And the loss of territories was also, and the overthrow of the monarchy. And in Austria-Hungary there was also commotion, and the collapse of the empire. Well, about the fact that in other countries the situation was much worse, you are lying like usual.

                    Ignorance puts you in a stupid position: read VO at least: it was about the “turn-key winter” in Germany, about 800 thousand dead German civilians from HUNGER, about battles for food trains from Romania and the East to A-Vnenrii and Germany. This was not the case in Russia.
                    Revolutions in Germany and Hungary are not like the BOP in any way.
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    He was not supported by the vast majority of the population of Russia, and did not "ask" to save the country ..

                    Did this "majority of the population" tell you? lol We are talking about the facts, you just chatting ...
                    The population supported the CONSTITUTIONAL MEETING, which the EaP organized, no one needed anything else from the EaP. In this capacity, EVERYTHING supported him. "Save" the country was no longer his concern.
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    Therefore, do not care who the VP recognized there.

                    The spitters led to 10 million victims of HS and did not solve the problems.
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    So you did not answer

                    Comrade the tankman has written to you about hunger and about starvation hunger and desertion. Repeat? Shaw, AGAIN ?!(C) lol
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    Ah, so you are Mr. for all the good, against all the bad.

                    For this is the majority of people that you clearly do not enter, since all of the above does not cause you to protest.
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    And you do not have a clear position. .

                    Where so much clearer? belay
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    Weather vane in general. clear

                    What good is it that someone "jammed" tightly in the lesson of M-Leninism 40 years ago? lol
                    There are so many around today present information to become SMARTER. But someone this process causes pain .... lol hi
                    1. rkkasa xnumx
                      rkkasa xnumx April 25 2018 12: 11
                      0
                      Mr. fool , Of course, I have long known that you are a noble yap, but you take all the new heights in your lies. I did not refute any axioms.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Revolutions in Germany and Hungary are not like the BOP in any way.

                      Maybe. But why do you write to me about this? You stuck on this Germany.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Did this "majority of the population" tell you?

                      It is enough that most of the population fought on the side of the Reds.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      It has been written to you both about hunger and about starvation hunger and desertion

                      You did not answer:
                      Quote: rkkasa 81
                      From after all what Bolsheviks are omnipotent! Everything was wonderful before them, the charm of the air, and other charms ... and then they came, and right away there was a food and shell hunger, a transport collapse, the Poles decided to secede (after all, this never happened!), Crowds of deserters ran from the front .. .
                      And most importantly, it is not clear why the Bolsheviks arranged this all ... Not, well, it would have destroyed Russia, and dumped them into their own Germany-Israel (after all, the Masons had already completed the task). So no - they destroyed everything, and stayed for some reason ... and the invaders were hung with lyuley henchmen, and the country was lifted from ruins ... It's unclear ...
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich April 25 2018 12: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: rkkasa 81
                        Mr., of course I have long known that you are a noble yap, but you take all the new heights in your lies. No axioms i did not refute

                        MYSELF do not remember ?! lol
                        Quote: rkkasa 81
                        Maybe. But why do you write to me about this? You stuck on this Germany.

                        You are stuck in poverty.
                        Quote: rkkasa 81
                        It’s enough that most of the population fought on the side of the Reds.

                        WHAT?! belay fool lol Most sat at home. It made a choice in the ELECTIONS, as it should be in a normal country, and not with a club on the head, as is customary for you, Neanderthals. Reaching or explain again?
                        Quote: rkkasa 81
                        You did not answer

                        It is answered to you, see above, both about hunger and about "raising" from the ruins of the model of 91 years and the Russian Cross.
                        Get out of the tank already! hi
            2. Weyland
              Weyland April 24 2018 15: 55
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              You are told that Brest’s betrayal is FINAL already a betrayer, which began IMMEDIATELY on October 25th.

              it started in February not in October!
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik April 24 2018 16: 32
                +2
                And who were betrayed in February?
                1. Hantengri
                  Hantengri April 25 2018 02: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Gopnik
                  And who were betrayed in February?

                  Ah, so you do not know? Nicholas ||, the light of nothing. Who else?
                  1. Gopnik
                    Gopnik April 25 2018 14: 16
                    0
                    Cool. And where does Nicholas II? It was about the betrayal of the allies and Russia. After February, there was no talk of a separate peace and surrender to Germany on its terms.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 09: 29
        +2
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        Or - in the pre-war Czechoslovakia-Poland - there are also no Bolsheviks, but there are interventionists. In general, bullshit is your theory.

        What? Czechoslovak Corps, is this bullshit in your opinion? Recall in which year he entered Russia?
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx April 24 2018 10: 07
          +3
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          What? Czechoslovak Corps, is this bullshit in your opinion? Recall in which year he entered Russia?

          Excuse me, what are you talking about?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 10: 26
            0
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Excuse me, what are you talking about?

            I mean that. The Czechs took a good walk a hundred years ago. All the lights in the clusters were. I mean, the hanged.
            1. rkkasa xnumx
              rkkasa xnumx April 24 2018 11: 11
              +3
              What does this have to do with my kament?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 11: 17
                +1
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                What does this have to do with my kament?

                I confused you with Olgovich. Sorry.
                1. rkkasa xnumx
                  rkkasa xnumx April 24 2018 11: 45
                  +1
                  It's okay. I guessed, in principle, but still decided to clarify.
                  hi
    5. BAI
      BAI April 24 2018 16: 15
      +2
      [quote] [quote] The Americans not only removed themselves from Russia, but also told the Japanese that they would NEVER recognize the seizure of Russian territory by Japan and demanded that they remove from its territory, which they did. [/ quote]
      The Americans were sleeping straight and saw how to save Russia:
      [Quote]The idea of ​​a military invasion of Russia arose in US ruling circles even before the victory of the October Revolution. Literally on the eve of the October armed uprising, October 24 (November 6), 1917, the US ambassador to Russia, David Rowland Francis, in a telegram to Washington, proposed to send several divisions of American troops to Russia through Vladivostok or Sweden. On February 21, 1918, the very same Francis, reporting on the situation in Soviet Russia, suggested immediately starting a military intervention. "“I insist,” he wrote, “on the need to take control of Vladivostokand transfer Murmansk and Arkhangelsk to the control of Great Britain and France ... ” Washington Republican Senator Miles Poyndexter, calling for intervention, stated that “Russia is simply a geographical concept, and no more will it ever be. Her power of cohesion, organization and restoration is gone forever. The nation does not exist ... ". [/ Quote]
    6. Looking for
      Looking for April 25 2018 13: 26
      -1
      However. How zealously you, Russophobe, justify the interventionists.
  4. XII Legion
    XII Legion April 24 2018 07: 24
    +19
    Incidentally, the relationship with the Americans at the end of WWII was one of the most benevolent
    Entente Veteran and Rookie

    A 14 points combined Wilson and Lenin
    https://regnum.ru/news/2224646.html
    1. kan123
      kan123 April 25 2018 13: 17
      0
      Also riddles in the darkness - where so much benevolence comes from. And why so much hatred when Bukharin and Trotsky were thrown out? On the second day of the 1927 congress, where Lev Davydych was thrown out, relations became sharply negative. If you read Bukharin, think about who sent and where Davydych came from, in the Republic of Ingushetia, then there are no mysteries. Trotsky came up with Perestroika, and Bukharin developed economic foundations — a colony country, cooperatives — all of this was taken by Gorabchev from the 20s. And the United States fell in love with Russia again - when it can be captured and destroyed, they will love you, and when someone like Stalin comes in, they hate you sharply and arrange persecution as they can.
  5. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 24 2018 07: 34
    +7
    Stratagem - "Robbing during a fire."
  6. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin April 24 2018 08: 19
    +11
    Article minus. Minus for painting the horrors of the "American imperialist military", the author does not bother confirming such horrors with references to any sources. For a banal, non-intellectual agitation designed for emotions, this is suitable. For an article on a serious resource, no.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 24 2018 09: 14
      +4
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      , the author does not bother to confirm these horrors with links to any sources.

      Immediately cut the eye
      : American Army Colonel Morrow even recalled that his soldiers they couldn’t sleep peacefully without killing any Russian.

      Well, who will say this publicly?
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 April 24 2018 09: 37
        +2
        Berserk. Or someone else from the superanimal.
      2. Antares
        Antares April 24 2018 11: 33
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        : American Army Colonel Morrow even recalled that his soldiers could not sleep peacefully without killing any Russian.
        Well, who will say this publicly?

        Well, see Olgovich
        No less frank in his memoirs is US Army Colonel Morrow, lamenting that his poor soldiers ... "could not fall asleep without killing anyone that day (...)

        https://topwar.ru/14988-zverstva-amerikancev-v-ro
        ssii-ne-mogli-usnut-ne-ubiv-kogo-nibud.html
        June 2, 2012 issue on VO.Samu article I saw in publications 2007 and earlier.
        So there that phrase sounded
        No less frank in his memoirs is US Army Colonel Morrow, complaining that his poor soldiers ... "could not fall asleep without killing anyone that day

        See how they work? Now added the word Russian. It's just somebody there.
        I tried to search for the source myself - I did not find it and came across a refutation of this fake
        Further, a few more pages about such “American atrocities” from anonymous sources without links to archival documents. This “phantom” quote is very revealing; it is widely circulated in the media and will be repeated in documentaries and various, even serious, publications. However, in reality - this is one hundred percent fiction.
        There is not a single line about such a mass execution (1600 people) - a war crime of "American interventionists" in Transbaikalia in the materials of Soviet military courts investigating war crimes during the Civil War, as well as in documents stored in the state archives of Russia and the USA for a simple reason - This is an obvious fiction.

        In May 1919, Colonel Morrow, commander of the 27th US Infantry Regiment, received reports of "a huge number of executions in death trains" committed by the Semenovites between Chita and Manchuria at st. Andrianovka, Tin, Borzya and Makkaveevo. Mass execution near the station. Andrianovka in October 1919, which is confirmed by archival documents, carried out by the Semenovites, by shooting prisoners of the Nerchinsk prison. The Americans have nothing to do with it. According to the State Archive of the Trans-Baikal Territory: "304 people were taken to the city of Nerchinsk for execution, and 132 were found and reburied." In 1921, after the units of the FER army entered Nerchinsk, an act was issued on May 18, 1921, on the opening of the burial place of prisoners of the Nerchinsk prisoner who had been shot by Semyonists. Graves are located along the railway from the station. Nerchinsk to the station Mining. At the place of execution in the Tarskaya paddy near the station. Andrianovka now installed a stone obelisk to the victims of mass execution. Two railroad workers, the American officers of the RRSC (Russian Railway Service Corps), became witnesses of this execution.
        A detailed description of what happened can be found in J. Bisher’s book “White Terror: Cossack Trans-Siberian Warlords”:
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 24 2018 12: 19
          +3
          That's right. Semenovtsy shoved on the Americans
          own atrocities.
        2. Curious
          Curious April 24 2018 13: 41
          +3
          After all, the tech article was written for the level of the Olgovich people. At this level, links are not needed. The main thing is the corresponding text.
        3. Severski
          Severski April 24 2018 23: 30
          0
          So be it. We write Polonsky in hypocrites.
  7. Curious
    Curious April 24 2018 11: 41
    +2
    "... Major General William Sydney Graves"
    In 1931 he wrote the book American Adventure in Siberia, where he described the numerous crimes of both the interventionists and the white units.
    By the way, the author for some reason does not at all mention Japan, with which the USA, in spite of numerous disagreements, worked closely in the intervention process.
    Unfortunately, I did not find a translation of Graves' book on the network, although the Mintz translation was published in 1932. The original speakers of the enemy language can be read at https://www.marxists.org/archive/graves/1931/sibe
    rian-adventure / index.htm.
    Another topic of interest is the book by Sayers M., Kahn A. The Secret War against Soviet Russia. - M.: State Publishing House of Foreign Literature, 1947.
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 24 2018 12: 15
    +5
    On the contrary, only near the units of American troops
    and one could be saved from the killings and executions that
    engaged in white and red.
    Whites wrote denunciations to American officers that they were hiding
    sympathizing with the Bolsheviks and oppose the whites.
    Commander of the Americans General Graves published in 1931
    "American adventure in Siberia", which was translated into Russian and published in the USSR.
    The crimes that are described in the article are made by the Semenovites, who
    all their atrocities shoved the Americans away when they left.
    "In their area of ​​responsibility, the Americans did not oppose
    red partisans. As a result, with the neutrality of the Americans in
    Primorye formed large red forces reaching
    several thousand people. This led to a conflict between Graves.
    and the chieftain Semyonov, focusing on the Japanese.
    Semenov accused Graves of supporting the Reds,
    and Graves Semenov and the Japanese supporting him
    - in banditry and cruelty towards the local population. "
  9. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 24 2018 12: 37
    0
    It’s bad that all this does not teach us anything. Russians are one of the most distressed nations, if there were fewer Western provocateurs, liberals, and just traitors, then perhaps the Russian state flourished.
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri April 25 2018 03: 00
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      if there were fewer Western provocateurs, liberals, and just traitors, then perhaps the Russian state was flourishing.

      If grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle. I apologize, but banality breeds banality.
  10. smaug78
    smaug78 April 24 2018 13: 50
    +2
    For example, partisan N. Myasnikov was chopped alive into pieces, and partisan E. Boychuk’s wife was stabbed with bayonets and drowned in a garbage pit - they taught me in the USSR that the White Guards. The author is the usual extortion of Goebels ..
  11. Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 24 2018 19: 26
    +6
    "... stabbed with bayonets and drowned in a garbage pit."
    Is it their Putin and Lavrov partners called? what
  12. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri April 24 2018 22: 11
    0
    And the rank-and-file composition of the American interventionists most effectively “propagandized”, because the redneck simply did not understand: why would he freeze in the trenches of Pohyol if peaches were ripening in his native Alabama at that time?
  13. pureacid
    pureacid April 25 2018 07: 47
    0
    Quote: Olgovich

    Colonel of the U.S. Army Morrow even recalledthat his soldiers could not sleep peacefully without killing any Russian. One day, American soldiers under the command of Morrow shot 1600 people who were delivered in railway cars to the Andriyanovka station

    No memories the so-called American Colonel Morrow neither in Russian nor in English, no reference to his memoirs not in the American bibliography. The search for the source of this quotation, which is widespread exclusively in the writings of Russian historians, leads to an anonymous text with reference to non-existent book "Foreign interventionists in Soviet Russia", 1935 (This book is not listed in library catalogs).
    Tales- the horror stories are not the story

    Have you been banned in Google or are you having trouble with the English?
    Colonel Morrow (colonel Morrow, assigned under the BG demobilization) was not T.N., but a very real bandit in American military uniform was buried in Arlington:
    http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/wmmorrow.htm
    His memories may not have simply been digitized. And the memoirs of colleagues about the atrocities are:
    https://www.marxists.org/archive/graves/1931/sibe
    rian-adventure / ch09.htm
    1931 Siberian Adventure
    Memories from our side too:
    http://d-pankratov.ru/archives/2553
    Their behavior in Vietnam after decades has not changed. So it’s not clear what kind of horror stories you had in mind. This time.
    The Internet is not a panacea, not the last voice of truth. And if not all documents are digitized, this does not mean that they are not. These are two.
    1. Each other
      Each other April 25 2018 15: 41
      0
      laughing Is https://www.marxists.org now a reliable archival source? )))))) And the site http://d-pankratov.ru, where are the same tales as in the article retold without any links the same?
  14. kan123
    kan123 April 25 2018 13: 00
    +1
    The intervention began when the British refused to support the ruble, and it immediately collapsed. In 1905, it saved tsarism, and in 1916 they brought down the ruble, at the height of the war and all problems. This instantly depreciated the ruble - the village stopped shipping grain, - rations at the front declined, - strikes began at the factories, because it was already impossible to live for zp. Cities stood up - revolution.
    When the British abolished the support of the ruble under the pretext of an "empty treasury" (to buy all the assets of the Republic of Ingushetia, the intervention, they had enough money), they thought of the future government after the tsar, in the Republic of Ingushetia it was Milyukov, a stupid stupid Lviv, etc. government". All 16g Milyukov traveled to England, and even the Germans moved, began to make peace - seeing what everything was headed for.
    Milyukov came to power, but there was no power behind him - the completely staged revolution of February 1917 turned out to be incompetent priests - managers, agents. Today it’s just being done — like in Ukraine — they hired bandits, and they “govern” - and then in the Republic of Ingushetia the power was behind the people, who stood under arms.
    When the plan for Milyukov failed, the British and French changed their ambassadors, and began to bet on the "most radical forces" - on the essays, who were also controlled, but then the Bolsheviks popped up. It is not known what was more profitable — no one was betting on the Bolsheviks at all — they were given two or three months, that is, Lenin could be their plan. The more chaos, the better.
    According to the intervention, - why write all this at all - there was an agreement between the British and Germans, that after February, they seize Russian cities, put garrisons there - this was an offer to the Germans, from the British. Then the British replaced the Germans. The Germans did not accept the plan - Lenin offered them something better. And this fact bypasses Soviet history, and even more so Western. Therefore, there are so many misconceptions with this intervention.
    The intervention in the Republic of Ingushetia to “bring democracy” was no different from the capture of China, for example, with the difference that in the Republic of Ingushetia, a fit democratic team seemed to have come to power. But if big people had come - then yes - then there are all the “rights” to capture RI. Therefore, the British and others were pushing precisely towards the Bolsheviks, starting in June 1917, when everything became clear with the Milyukovsky "Poroshenko" government.
    Not to mention the fact that even when the British abolished the ruble, they could already count on what it would lead to, and if it led to chaos, they would have a bigger jackpot than some kind of Germany, with which everything seemed to be clear already. And this meant ready-made intervention plans already by the year 1916, and earlier - because when his innocent highness Nikolay Alexandrych began to seize Turkey, violating all treaties (sawing after defeating the Germans) - intervention in the Republic of Ingushetia was already inevitable, unless the British fell asleep , and forgot that they fought with William, for these exits to their colonies through Turkey, which Sanych now decided to seize.
  15. zoolu350
    zoolu350 April 25 2018 14: 02
    0
    So the grounds for creating the Stalin Strait have long been the place to be.
  16. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 April 25 2018 14: 15
    0
    Gopnik,
    Official estimates are under 200 thousand, as far as I remember. Historians desertion in WWI is estimated at 1,5- 2 million people.
    1. Gopnik
      Gopnik April 25 2018 14: 42
      0
      That's it, 200 thousand. to 1917
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 25 2018 15: 08
        0
        Quote: Gopnik
        That's it, 200 thousand. to 1917

        Heh, I googled here. From the end of 1914 to March, 1917 lingered and lived about 800 thousand deserters. These are the ones who were detained. crying
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik April 25 2018 15: 32
          0
          The issue of desertion was considered by Golovin in his work, with reference to Soviet data, moreover. http://militera.lib.ru/research/golovnin_nn/06.ht
          ml Until February, 200 deserters - 000 on average per month, by August 6346 already 1917 thousand. "Before the revolution, an average of 365 people deserted per month; after the revolution, 000, that is, five times more." To this number, he considers it necessary to add 6300 million unregistered deserters that appeared AFTER February.
          And what happened after the October Maidan I recommend reading in the Soviet book of the hero of the civil war, a participant in the events of Cherepanov http://militera.lib.ru/h/cherepanov_ai3/02.html
          Desertion from the army and self-demobilization continued after October. So, from December 10 to 17, 14 did not appear from vacation in the 187th Siberian Rifle Division, 40 soldiers deserted; in the 18th Siberian Rifle Division, 27 soldiers did not come from vacation, deserted 22.
          On December 17, the commander of the 2nd Siberian Corps informed the commander of the 12th Army:
          “As can be seen from the order for the 14th special infantry regiment dated 12/12 No. 406, the composition of the regiment in 10 days decreased by 1000 people. I ask for urgent measures to stop the runaway covering other parts of the corps. Otherwise, the change of corps of the 109th and 3rd special divisions will be impossible, which will badly respond to the psychology of the units that are in position and awaiting an early change ”
          The chief of staff of the 12th Army, in a conversation with the chief of staff of the Northern Front, reported:
          “Upstairs, the state of the front is unclear ... The situation is such that there can be no talk about any stability of the front in the event of an attack by the enemy. In the company of 30-40 bayonets, with a very low morale. The material part is upset. Horses do not ride. There is no forage. Some batteries do not have a maid service; So, the 3rd special artillery division cannot take the position, because it is a baggage train for lack of numbers. In the 3rd Special Division, out of 3 machine-gun teams, horses can be scored for only one. The 23rd Finland Regiment in its composition has about a battalion. Aviadiv 12 informs that he does not even have anyone to guard the devices (aircraft). Such a picture is in almost all parts. There is not a single regiment where there were more than 500-600 bayonets. Food has not been reported in the last 10 days. If there is no supply, starvation will begin. ”
          Well, etc. Those. the army just ran after October. Again, if you look at the numbers from this work: “On October 11, 1917, on average, 6-50 people had companies in the 60th Siberian Corps. The same picture was in other corps of the Northern Front, in particular in the 1st case "i.e. somewhere from 600 to 1000 soldiers in the regiments in front of the Maidan. After 3-4 months: "Full-blooded German formations were opposed by incompetent, poorly equipped units and formations of the old Russian army. Its regiments totaled an average of about 200 people." Those. the number of regiments dipped 3-5 times! Not to mention the fact that some regiments were entirely "self-demobilized."
          Those. the monthly desertion grew precisely by an order of magnitude not even with the tsarist times, but with the post-February ones, and compared with the tsarist by several orders of magnitude.
  17. Each other
    Each other April 25 2018 15: 00
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    What a propaganda nonsense published. The author is worse than Kolya from Urengoy Starting from the Americans invented by the author who could not fall asleep without murder, to the fact that the formation of the FER was regarded as the collapse of Russia. Collection of grandmother's gossip. Ugh! negative
  18. fitter71
    fitter71 16 September 2018 20: 40
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    it is necessary, it is necessary to remind us of this and similar pages of our history. all too often we have to pay for forgetting them. good would be - with Bush’s legs alone - no, millions of my own lives - Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Armenians, Tajiks ... well, yes - I was born and lived in the country where we were all OWN!