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Armenia. Pawn, which holds the position of Russia

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Armenia again shakes from the protests. And, I confess, it is rather difficult to understand what is happening there: who is right, who is guilty, and why once again we have to talk about the possibility of “Armenian Maidan”. Moreover, the level of support of the official authorities of Yerevan, judging by the recent elections, is quite high - the Republican Party, under the leadership of Sargsyan, has a one-man majority in parliament, which allows it to form a government, especially not looking at the opinion of political opponents.




But we can still understand something. Namely - unrest is not advertised, but quite tangible anti-Russian character. They are managed according to a scheme that has already been tested more than once, through dozens of so-called “non-profit organizations,” or NPOs, from the largest US embassy in Yerevan in the post-Soviet space, where nearly two and a half thousand diplomats are engaged in peaceful subversive work.

Two and a half! This in itself is incredibly much, and in proportion to the population of Armenia - the figure is simply prohibitive!
For Armenia, we can roughly understand what this means - it’s good, there’s no need to go far for examples. But what this means for Russia is harder to understand. So, it would be nice to try to figure it out - calmly and without hysteria.

How do you see Armenia from Russia and, accordingly, its political, economic, strategic importance for the Russian Federation? It’s pretty simple and unattractive - a small country in the wild Caucasian wilderness, sandwiched between other Caucasian states and their Asia Minor neighbors, requiring economic support, landlocked, not part of any significant transit routes ... In general, solid, sorry, hemorrhoids, not ally. Do not even understand what the "stupid" Americans found there ...
If we accept this point of view, then it becomes clear where in the Russian media and social networks there are so many harsh statements in the spirit of “Yes, let them do it already, the loss is not great!”. However, there are a couple of nuances that should change our understanding of this small country.

Two geopolitical factors make Armenia a rather tasty target for geopolitical aspirations of the largest geopolitical players. Both of them are taken into account by “stupid amerikosy”, who have an excellent geopolitical school and operate within the framework of approximately fifty years of planning (for example, the “Anaconda” plan, for example). In Russia, where there is simply no adequate geopolitical school, and homegrown "geopolitics" are still chewing on the doctrines of capturing the Black Sea straits two hundred years ago, few have learned to see "this is far from Moscow!", Therefore the general background of statements is not surprising at all .

So, the first factor. Armenia is located quite close to the Middle East. From Yerevan to Raqqa, approximately 600 tons. Damascus is about a thousand. This is about an hour of flight time for shock aviationif you do not take afterburning speed maxima, which are usually not used for flights over sufficiently long ranges, the fuel consumption is too high.
In principle, this is quite a comfortable distance for the actions of our aviation in Syria in the event of any force majeure. Yes, if you go around the territory of Turkey from the east, you’ll get a little more, but it’s still within a half thousand kilometers, which is an acceptable radius for several types of front-line aviation, including almost the entire family of fighters, attack aircraft and front-line bombers of Sukhoi Design Bureau. ".
Not far from Armenia and to the Persian Gulf. Kuwait is about a thousand kilometers away. To Qatar and the capital of Saudi Arabia, Riyadh, about one and a half thousand. And not in the least challenging the fact that Russia is a peaceful state, unconditionally respecting the norms of international law, the opportunity to deliver a good bombing strike on the largest oil storeroom of the planet will never be a trump card in our diplomatic deck.

Of course, critics of such an assessment will find weighty arguments. "Caliber", for example, flies on. And the air base in Mozdok is not much further - some 300-400 kilometers, which is quite a bit for aviation. And this is a weighty argument, but only partly. Not wanting to get into the jungle of purely technical analysis, we simply note that cruise missiles do not always cope with the tasks assigned to them, and the recent American adventure in Syria is a good example of this. And sometimes their work must be preceded by the work of aviation, destroying air defense objects by less long-range, but more specialized systems.
The distance is also not all clear. When to the enemy is five hundred kilometers, three hundred more and the truth is of no great importance. But when he is already at the limit of the radius of action of aviation, three hundred versts at both ends become very noticeable. And for escort fighters, this can be quite a critical difference. And therefore it is better for us to have both Gyumri and Mozdok as the starting point of our peace-loving “diplomacy for emergency cases”.

There is also a downside: if the Americans become stronger in Armenia, their aircraft can already use the airspace of Transcaucasia to enter the Caspian Sea and, from there, for a hypothetical attack on Iran, whose northern coast is traditionally less protected than the border with Iraq and Iran coast of the Persian Gulf. Our own southern frontiers will be vulnerable too.

And here we smoothly move on to the second factor. Less obvious, but much more critical for Russia itself.

One of the key geopolitical tasks facing the current "hegemon" is the invasion of Central Asia and military consolidation there. From there, the Americans will finally be able to get closer to the “soft underbelly of Russia” (and what’s there to close up - just put a knife to our belly), and at the same time China’s bare back, and in the area adjacent to its Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous District, where separatist sentiments are still very strong. And this would be the actual end of the brilliant geopolitical game played by the Americans in the second half of the twentieth century.
But the Americans are separated from the finals by such a small thing as a disgusting (from their point of view) invasion logistics. Central Asia is surrounded by Russia, China, Iran and the Caspian Sea - not the best environment for such purposes. And at the moment, military penetration is possible only through the Pakistan-Afghan and Transcaucasian corridors. Both of them are very doubtful - the southern corridor, strictly speaking, can only be used by transport aviation, and the western one, through the Transcaucasus, is very narrow and uncomfortable.
Now imagine that in this narrow corridor the Russian aircraft carrier is located Armenia. And it immediately becomes clear why the "stupid" Americans flooded Yerevan with a record number of their diplomats, right?

Again, let us leave for another time the motivation of the geopolitical importance of Central Asia for the United States. We agree only that in this perspective, the actions of the Americans are becoming more understandable. Yes, they are simply preparing their way to Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan - though not very wide, not the safest, but still suitable for protection and protected by nature from land invasion from the North. Under current conditions, they will not receive more, and it seems that they are ready to be content with this for the time being.

If we use chess analogies, Armenia is just a pawn. But this pawn covers our position from the invasion of heavy pieces in an extremely important direction. Will our position crumble after its delivery? The question is not rhetorical and very alarming.



Well, the last thing I would like to mention. We have quite strong tendencies to oppose our relations with Armenia and the state of Russian-Azerbaijani relations. Here, they say, we have not put on that, and if we send this Armenia to hell, we will get a much richer Azerbaijan as allies.
Alas, this is also a very short-sighted look at the problem. Azerbaijan is interested in the shortest ways to export its hydrocarbons. And they go away from Russia. Azerbaijan sees Turkey as an older and more successful brother, whose ties are historically very strong. Azerbaijan, it must be admitted, has achieved too much on its own to rush recklessly into the arms of its northern neighbor.
And we will never make a true ally out of it.

And to lose Armenia under sweet dreams of Azerbaijani oil is we easily.
But will we really get better?

But on this point there are big doubts ...
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  1. 210ox
    210ox April 24 2018 06: 05
    +26
    They are all passing through .. And Karabakh and the country itself .. And the Kuban is not rubber, and you will not envy our military in Armenia. It may be forced to leave, which is absolutely not good.
    1. urman
      urman April 24 2018 06: 24
      +17
      Quote: 210ox
      And the Kuban is not rubber,

      The first thing I thought about as soon as I read the news from there.
      There are already too many of them, and how they will run after what they themselves have done is ............. simple.
      1. avt
        avt April 24 2018 15: 26
        +18
        Quote: urman
        The first thing I thought about as soon as I read the news from there

        WAY ME-E! Even in the USSR, after Sumgait, they rushed to Moscow and demanded a temporary residence permit. Even when they gave housing and a job, for example, they refused to Smolensk, only Moscow, albeit with a temporary residence permit. When new hostesses came to the former pioneer camps in the Moscow Region in the 90s, they cut metal doors with a MILITION and the Ministry of Emergency Situations with a grinder (as the grinder worked - immediately crying with a cry-shout, BEFORE this they only shouted with obscenities). It turned out that there were simply NO refugees there, the camp worked as a transshipment point for Europu and USA, there were several refugee squads there. Now that they are exactly like Sumero Ukrainians in 2004, they raped their state with the choice of the people — the Maidan. This will come back to him and I frankly care about the fate of OUR military personnel, who, in fact, AGAIN, as in the time of Gorbi, become hostages of the situation. Maybe someone forgot how the crowd tore apart ours, which type was carrying ,, their "weapons from a Soviet base?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 18: 41
          +4
          Quote: avt
          It turned out that there were simply NO refugees there, the camp worked as a transshipment point at Europu and USA

          I remember somehow returning from Moscow after Spitak shook, Domodedovo looked like a big bazaar of household appliances. Armenians packed up as if they had lost their
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 24 2018 06: 24
      +4
      hi! And again, next to us, we got sick ... From where the wind blows, there is no doubt even ...
      1. AnpeL
        AnpeL April 24 2018 07: 35
        +37
        As a help to a friendly state, I suggest sending half a million Armenians to their homeland
        1. Opera
          Opera April 24 2018 12: 18
          +15
          A good photo in the article - remember these muzzles are Armenians! Take offense at yourself!
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC April 24 2018 18: 19
            +1
            Quote: Oper
            A good photo in the article - remember these muzzles are Armenians! Take offense at yourself!

            Oper, you stop it, your fascism will not bring you to good. Inciting ethnic hatred is a punishable crime in Russia.
            1. Opera
              Opera April 24 2018 19: 36
              +11
              You will learn not to poke for a start, and then you will give out tips to those who need them! Interethnic discord between whom ?! Between the Armenians ?! Probably Russian is not your native language. You do not understand the interpretation of the composition (event) of a crime at all. Maybe you were embarrassed by the word muzzle ?! It’s good especially for you Armenians, remember these bright and inspired revolutionary people, in order to know who to thank the first for a bright future in the bosom of true democracy! Is that okay ?!
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC April 24 2018 19: 57
                0
                Quote: Oper
                You will learn not to poke for a start, and then you will give out tips to those who need them!

                Yes, you first earn your "YOU."
                American intelligence agencies are raging in third countries with the complete inaction of the Russian intelligence services. Without the help of Russia, such a small country like Armenia would not be able to fight back, but what about Armenia, such a large and strong country like Ukraine could not oppose the American agents of influence.
                1. Opera
                  Opera April 24 2018 20: 15
                  +11
                  You are very badly brought up. I usually don’t talk to people like you. However, people are reading this. I’ll answer for this! If you think that the Russian people should be responsible for the Maidan dances of a large part of the population of Ukraine, and now also Armenia, whether they are employees of special services, diplomats, heads and employees of other government bodies of Russia, then you are very mistaken. Russia will primarily defend its interests and those of the multinational people of Russia. Including ethnic Russians and Russian citizens abroad! If the Armenians strongly decided to make a revolution, and we do not observe anti-revolutionary rallies, this is exclusively the business of the Armenians! Their natural and responsibility. Why should we rake the consequences ?! If you are an Armenian, you cannot help but see how sincerely I respect your sovereignty! Even despite the fact that you are rude and behave completely unworthy!
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC April 24 2018 20: 19
                    -1
                    Quote: Oper
                    anti-revolutionary rallies we do not observe

                    Do you think that the rallies have a natural element?
                    If Russia does not subscribe for Armenia, the Armenian government will not risk buttging with the United States even on its territory
                    1. Opera
                      Opera April 24 2018 20: 23
                      +1
                      And for whom to fit in ?! Pashinyan is observed. Not a small number of his supporters are also observing ... And we are not observing anyone else!
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC April 24 2018 20: 25
                        -1
                        Quote: Oper
                        And for whom to fit in ?!

                        The question is not right, not for anyone, but against whom, or rather, against the "Tomahawks" at our borders.
                      2. Opera
                        Opera April 24 2018 20: 53
                        +1
                        Reply to your last comment in the below.
          2. genisis
            genisis April 24 2018 21: 22
            -1
            Remember this comment. When you are asked to return to your unforgettable threat
            A good photo in the article - remember these muzzles are Armenians! Take offense at yourself!

            do not be offended by anyone. Although no, on yourself. And change the nickname, from Oper to Iksperd. Because your level of awareness is appropriate.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 18: 42
          +7
          Quote: AnpeL
          As a help to a friendly state, I suggest sending half a million Armenians to their homeland

          why so modest ?!
          According to estimates, the number of the Armenian diaspora in Russia reaches 2.5 -3 million people
        3. Alber
          Alber April 24 2018 21: 31
          +4
          Quote: AnpeL
          As a help to a friendly state, I suggest sending half a million Armenians to their homeland


          There are already more than 5 million of them in Russia ...
        4. igorka357
          igorka357 April 26 2018 12: 34
          0
          And with them ten thousand Russian troops, armed to the teeth, with the support of aviation!
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 18: 35
      +6
      Quote: 210ox
      A Kuban is not rubber

      that Kuban, we have them in the Kaliningrad region as in Armenia
      1. AIR
        AIR April 24 2018 20: 37
        +7
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: 210ox
        A Kuban is not rubber

        that Kuban, we have them in the Kaliningrad region as in Armenia

        ... yes, I recently met my grandson after school. I’m watching. Armenian children go out of school !!!! Russians through three Armenians! That's where the diaspora is strong, so it's in Kursk! I myself once graduated from school in Baku. In Armenikend. In our class of 30 students there were about 25 Armenians. Now I see them in Kursk. Not a drowning nation, like the Jews. They joked to themselves, saying that when an Armenian was born, a Jew cried ....
      2. genisis
        genisis April 24 2018 21: 25
        0
        By the way, in the Kaliningrad region you have, with your passport, a citizen of Russia, exactly the same rights as a citizen of any other nationality other than yours, with the exact same Russian passport as yours. Or maybe you are some special citizen of the Russian Federation?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 21: 45
          +5
          and what did you mean by that? !!!!!
          like you d'artanyan, and the rest of the grandchildren of alozych? !!!!
          by the way, on the contrary, the USSR is repeating this when the nationalities have more rights, the FMS saw a killer picture, the Armenian woman blissed the whole corridor FUCKED it to Russian immigrants

          from the time of the USSR, there is reporting, spitak, Russian boys of 19 years old in military uniforms are removing rubble, and a healthy local forehead is sitting next to him and when they ask him why he doesn’t help, he simply declares that he cannot grieve, and after that I I saw Domodedovo clogged with household equipment that the victims of the earthquake drove home
          1. genisis
            genisis April 24 2018 21: 53
            0
            I would like to say by this that Armenians, Yakuts, Buryats, Ukrainians, Khanty, Mansi, Chuvashs, Mordovians, Russians, Chechens, Kabardins and others with exactly the same citizenship of the Russian Federation as you can live in Kaliningrad with you.
            From which you should make the only correct conclusion
            we have them in the Kaliningrad region

            that the Kaliningrad region is the same as yours.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 22: 07
              +9
              you would be for a week where the Russians shout the FEM, and after that where in Russia they are told that they came in large numbers
              and then you can and will have the right to tell me "From which you must make the only correct conclusion"
              I hope you made the right conclusion
              1. genisis
                genisis April 24 2018 22: 12
                +1
                you would be for a week where the Russians shout the FEM, and after that where in Russia they are told that they came in large numbers

                And where did you get the idea that I was not there and there?
                I am equally disgusted with chauvinism of any nationalities.
                And the correct conclusion is made in the constitution of the Russian Federation, where in article 3 it is written
                "The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people."
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 22: 26
                  +5
                  Quote: genisis
                  The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people

                  Once again, the problem is that, as rules under the laws, Russians should live, and diasporas according to customs
                  and the path is just to the conflict, as soon as you understand that the laws of the Country above the "law of the mountains" everything will fall into place, but for now, unfortunately, I know this by hearsay, you prefer the "laws of the mountains"
                  1. genisis
                    genisis April 24 2018 22: 29
                    +2
                    as soon as you understand that the laws of the Country above the "law of the mountains" everything will fall into place

                    I have already written to you below, but I repeat, from which mountains came down:
                    Khoroshavin, Khakhaleva, Zakharchenko and other representatives of the diasporas who are trying to resolve issues through "their friends"?
                    If in the country you can resolve issues through friends, it does not matter what nationality you are, it is important whether you have friends.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir April 25 2018 08: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: genisis
                      from which mountains descended:

                      Zailiysky Alatau bully
                      Quote: genisis
                      If in the country you can resolve issues through friends, it does not matter what nationality you are, it is important whether you have friends.

                      you fundamentally include a fool?
          2. Abrascha
            Abrascha April 25 2018 05: 12
            +3
            By the way, representatives of nationalities to obtain Russian citizenship a couple of orders of magnitude easier than the most that neither is one hundred percent Russian people from Central Asia. Why so I don’t even guess))))
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 April 26 2018 12: 44
          +3
          I’m right at the level of law, yes, I should have more rights at the level of customs, I don’t need a Russian founding nation, and a fucking mosque in my own small town in Siberia, and I don’t like half the class who wanted to wear all kinds of hedgehogs! someone else’s monastery, throw your charter out the door! In the company of Russian children, children are not Russian, they should only speak Russian! Otherwise, we’ll go with our wife for a walk, breathe fresh air, two young Tajiks or Uzbeks walk behind, bubble on his own and they’re laughing right in our backs .. well, the wife dissuaded me from stopping .. thank God I shouldn’t take experience to drive Adam's apple in throats .. otherwise I would be in trouble !!! us they only speak Russian .. laughing
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 26 2018 13: 19
            +1
            Quote: igorka357
            So let them crow with their own, that in the hall with us they only speak Russian ..

            Well, here you are 100% wrong, in private they can speak anything, even Martian, because if you are going to rest in Turkey, Thailand, etc. you are not forced to speak the local language exclusively
          2. onega67
            onega67 April 27 2018 09: 01
            0
            Drive Adam's apple just for being on their own gutaray? In my opinion you are very wrong Igor !!!
    4. seal78
      seal78 April 24 2018 19: 07
      +2
      Perhaps they will force me to leave, which is absolutely not good.

      Maybe ? Everything was started just for this. And if this does not happen, it means that the Americans spent money in vain, and they really do not like to spend money in vain.
    5. garnik
      garnik April 24 2018 20: 48
      +2
      210query (Dmitry)


      And you are in this unbalanced company. Although your post is the first, but as a resident of the Kuban you should know the attitude of Armenians towards Russians. I'm just in a stupor, what heresy they carry on the page. Damn, I buried three Russians with an Armenian neighbor. There was no one to lift the coffin, and we writhed. Excuse me.
      1. genisis
        genisis April 24 2018 21: 27
        0
        Garnik. Do not take to heart.
        1. dSK
          dSK April 25 2018 00: 16
          +2
          The population of Armenia is about three million people. According to the Ministry of Justice, in 2009 their number exceeded the mark of 3000. This means that in Armenia, one NGO works for every thousand people.
          Nine years have passed since 2009, the data is outdated. Given the unemployment rate, the US grants are substantial additional income. Result on the face.
          Azerbaijan has the same huge state embassy and for them this country "priority"there a lot of oil. So with Karabakh Armenia will have to say goodbye, at best, the States will partially “compensate” the Karabakh Armenians for “moving” to Armenia or abroad (Israel will gladly accept if there is a “drop” of Jewish blood, its army is in dire need of replenishment).
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 24 2018 06: 22
    +7
    They are managed according to the scheme that has already been tested more than once, through dozens of so-called "non-profit organizations", or NPOs, from the largest American embassy in Yerevan in the post-Soviet space, in which almost two and a half thousand diplomats are engaged in peaceful subversive work.

    You might think that someone had doubts about another version of the events in Armenia.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 24 2018 07: 12
      +15
      The Armenians, by mentality, are "Caucasian Jews." In the Krasnodar Territory Gelendzhik had seen enough of them all under them and the Greeks walked. Novoross-Armenians share, again, with the Greeks and Tatars.
      1. urman
        urman April 24 2018 17: 09
        +6
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        The Armenians, by mentality, are "Caucasian Jews."

        laughing laughing good And how they choke with saliva when they say about ancient Urartu.
        Just like God's chosen ones about their promised land.
      2. Borders
        Borders April 24 2018 20: 46
        +1
        "... Novoross-Armenians share, again, with the Greeks ....". In fact, the Greeks have been living on these lands for millennia ... when the words of such a "Russian" or "Slav" did NOT exist, as well as such peoples ... but the Greeks already were. og. here.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila April 24 2018 06: 28
    +1
    Armenia is a bridgehead for bringing democracy to Azerbaijan, and then to Turkmenistan. Aliyev needs to do everything to save the buffer in the form of Karabakh to maintain his power.
    1. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik April 24 2018 23: 16
      +3
      In Azerbaijan, the classic color revolution is practically unrealistic.
      1. Strashila
        Strashila April 25 2018 03: 59
        0
        This is just a matter of funding.
        1. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik April 25 2018 11: 31
          +3
          That's why I say it. Aliyev has long made sure that local NGOs cut off foreign funding.
          1. onega67
            onega67 April 27 2018 09: 11
            0
            In general, NGOs must be driven by a filthy broom !!! If someone has not yet understood this (from the countries of the former CIS), he is a worthless ruler. Putin well done in this regard! Karimov also understood this, he is also wise!
  4. Ravik
    Ravik April 24 2018 06: 38
    +4
    "Armenia is again shaken by the protests. And, admittedly, it’s quite difficult for us to figure out what is happening there:"
    What is happening there is clear even to me - there is a US embassy.
  5. oracul
    oracul April 24 2018 07: 40
    +29
    SW the author described everything except that Russia and Armenia have no common border. And this factor should be considered. Those. problems may arise when delivering military cargo to Armenia even by air. But the main thing is not that. Armenia is really too pro-Western to trust it fully, and moreover, in a word. Russia does not need enemies and there is no need to create them. But it is not worth it to be complacent. Armenians love to trade and try to do it for the benefit of their loved ones. And the Armenian diasporas in Sochi, Anapa and other cities in the south are very united and belligerent in protecting their interests. and And this is outside their homeland. And how many Russians live with them? Over 98% are Armenians. Russians, among others, are far from the first: Yezidis, Kurds, Assyrians and others. I'm not talking about the fact that the Russians flickered in power structures. this is not and never will be. Then what is our interest. There is a military man, but he requires a more complete understanding, taking into account the realities. Economic. Do I personally have a big question? Most of the Russians see nothing but brandy and wine, yes, they see merchants and bankers from Armenia. Cognac is undeniably good, but this is not enough to develop close economic ties. Why? At any time they can surrender and tear them apart. Something I do not remember the support from Armenia, for example, when voting at the UN on issues that are painful for us. Here it is.
    1. mgero
      mgero April 24 2018 09: 57
      -1
      Pro OON, Nash ministr MID skazal priznayte Karabax a Mi priznayem Krim. Vi nexatite Nas poderjat No trebuyete poderjki. Mnogie ne ponimajut chto tvaritca v Armenii, skaju prosto lyudi xotyat sprovedlivosti, tut Amerika ne prichem. Russkie vibroli Putina a U Nas vse bilo pottosovano, ne vibori a sploshnoy pottosovka. Vot i vse.
      1. RomanS
        RomanS April 24 2018 14: 11
        +2
        In Ukraine, people also wanted justice! The result is on the face! Or are non-ethnic Armenians in power in Armenia? Or did they grow and get education somewhere outside the USSR? Or is this the same national mentality? But they played in independence (from whom only)
      2. scrap123
        scrap123 April 24 2018 14: 26
        +5
        Many voted for Putin, without any fraud, because people are tired of all the passing and leaving, and for Russia not to worry, she will still show herself ... but you should think about tomorrow.
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut April 24 2018 11: 49
      +18
      Quote: oracul
      At any time they can surrender and tear them apart. Something I don’t remember support from Armenia, for example, when voting at the UN on issues that are painful for us. Here it is.

      It's time to take Armenia for me ...., sorry, for their diasporas in Russian cities. It is necessary to make the well-being of their existence directly dependent on the loyalty of Armenia to Russian policy. Yes, actually, with the other post-Soviet friends, one must do the same. Pragmatism and protectionism are powerful and effective levers.
      1. Opera
        Opera April 24 2018 13: 52
        +4
        I agree with you. This is a very powerful leverage. There is nothing shameful here and cannot be. Moreover, the national diasporas themselves from time to time who is larger. who climb less into politics themselves and often not in a positive direction for Russia. And there is another interesting point - the national diasporas have a very developed sense of self-preservation. It is so strong that it immediately begins to prevail even over material benefits, as soon as our respective services take a tough position.) Verified!
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 24 2018 18: 29
        0
        Quote: uskrabut
        It is necessary to make the well-being of their existence directly dependent on the loyalty of Armenia to Russian policy.

        What nonsense did you write here? How can Armenians living in Russia in the fourth or fifth generation influence the situation? Let me remind you that the Armenian is a nationality, not the citizenship of the state of "Armenia".
      3. genisis
        genisis April 24 2018 21: 35
        +1
        Another Iksperd)))))
        It’s high time to take for their diasporas in Russian cities. We must put the well-being of their existence in direct dependence on loyalty to Russian policy.

        Firstly, I am a citizen of the Russian Federation like you, even if we are of different nationalities. And I am right with you the same amount, as well as responsibilities. Therefore, how and what are you going to take me to, a mystery to me))))
        And once you take it, start thinking with your head, and remember that in Russia we have the following diasporas: Tatar, Bashkir, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Moldavian, Uzbek, Azerbaijani, Tajik, Kazakh, Yakut, Chuvash, Ossetian and many others. Moreover, in a large number of Russian cities.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 22: 12
          +5
          Quote: genisis
          Firstly, I am a citizen of the Russian Federation

          Do you know what the problem is ?!
          for some reason, when confusion arises, you forget that you (well, maybe not personally you) are the same citizen of the Russian Federation and quickly remember that you are a member of the diaspora and it is easier to solve problems not by law, but with the help of friends
          1. genisis
            genisis April 24 2018 22: 19
            +1
            Do you know what the problem is ?!

            Yes I know. When in society there is an opportunity to solve problems
            with friends

            there will always be those who have friends and those who have no friends.
            And the diaspora has nothing to do with it. When a drunken judge in a car makes an accident in which people die, and then with the help of his colleagues / friends evades responsibility, blaming the diaspora is somehow not appropriate. Well, only if his name is not clearly diaspora.
            For example, judge Khakhaleva. With a fake diploma issued almost 6000 unauthorized decisions. What diaspora helped her?
            Or what kind of diaspora helped governor Khoroshavin in Sakhalin to steal?
            Or Colonel Zakharchenko?
            And what about Denis Nikandrov?
            Our society, alas, is not perfect.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 22: 31
              +4
              Quote: genisis
              there will always be those who have friends and those who have no friends.

              No, you understood what I mean, but pretended to understand something wrong
              we are not talking about friends, we are talking about fellow tribesmen when the protection of a fellow tribesman is put above friendship and the law
              Quote: genisis
              Our society, alas, is not perfect.

              you dismiss the question aside once again we are not talking about corruption, we are talking about the fact that inside the diaspora there are laws of their own, when forgive the offender they go "to beat the face" not for a friend, but for a fellow tribeman and this is a big difference with what you are talking about

              and the most filthy when you press such immediately try to translate the question, they say that offends the national minorities
              1. genisis
                genisis April 24 2018 22: 46
                0
                we are not talking about friends, we are talking about fellow tribesmen when the protection of a fellow tribesman is put above friendship and the law

                I was just lucky to never find myself in such a situation. Having lived in the Far North since 82, he always had a full international as a friend. In his student days, they also made a rustle with his company: Armenian, Jew, Russian, German and Kazakh. Therefore, I do not like it when rowing under one comb. But the nazmen’s pontorez was also seen. And hardly they can cause pleasant feelings in anyone. There is enough of them only among Armenians. Although many Armenians have an ambition for blood, the same as that of the Ingush, Chechens, Yakuts, Azerbaijanis, Kabardins, Circassians and many others. Russians usually do not have such a problem.
            2. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 April 25 2018 17: 09
              +2
              “For example, Judge Khakhaleva. With a fake diploma, she made almost 6000 unlawful decisions. Which diaspora helped her?”
              - please remind, WHAT university did she have a diploma from? And if it does not, who are these people in the photograph?

              - I hope it will not be difficult to clarify, on suspicion of suspecting of receiving a bribe on an especially large scale from WHO, they detained Denis Nikandrov?
              At least they selected convincing examples)
              1. genisis
                genisis April 25 2018 21: 54
                -1
                And if it does not, who are these people in the photograph?

                And it will not be difficult for you to find the name of the chairman of the court, who protected Khakhalev? Wouldn't it be difficult to find the names of the panel of judges that made the decision on Khakhaleva?
                It will not be difficult to recall the names of those who took bribes in addition to Nikandrov? Head of CSS, by the way. I do not think that representatives of the diasporas are being taken there.
                Doesn’t it make it difficult to remember the name of Khoroshavin with accomplices?
                As for Nikandrov specifically, he was given a bribe on behalf of Zakhary Kalashov, for the release of Andrei Koychukov. All are diasporal last names.
        2. protoss
          protoss April 25 2018 01: 21
          +2
          in Russia there are no Tatar, Bashkir, Yakut, Chuvash and Ossetian diasporas. These are the indigenous peoples of the country, their republics are part of the Russian Federation. and in other constituent entities of the federation they form, perhaps, only fraternities, but not the diaspora.
        3. Rostislav Mikhailovich
          Rostislav Mikhailovich 19 May 2018 21: 06
          +1
          I am more than confident that if you are between a citizen of Armenia-Armenian and a citizen of Russia-Russian, you will undoubtedly choose the first, despite the fact that you are the same citizen of Russia as the second. So don’t do it!
          You know the Genesis, yours, that is, the Armenian one, the bliss no longer rolls.
    3. unregistered
      unregistered April 24 2018 18: 55
      +11
      "Cognac is undeniably good."
      What do you call cognac? ... Moldavian brandy alcohol, dyes. Flavors, and moreover, all this is mixed even not in Armenia., But in Russia!
      A remarkable fact is 99,99% of this shmardyuk is sold exclusively in Russia !!!!
      Since no country in the world, except Russia, will allow to poison its citizens with this swill.
      In Armenia, in principle, there are not so many vineyards in order to produce so many volumes of a drink called "Armenian brandy."
      In principle, the Armenians have nothing but an innate desire to deceive.
      1. genisis
        genisis April 24 2018 19: 15
        +1
        Come on, uncles, burn more))))))
        In Armenia, in principle, there are not so many vineyards

        Were you in Armenia, a connoisseur of Moldavian spirits? )))))
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 24 2018 19: 56
          +2
          Quote: genisis
          You were in Armenia

          I was there for almost a month in the seventies - in “Armenian Siberia”. Well, where did you see the vineyards?
          1. genisis
            genisis April 24 2018 20: 06
            -1
            I have seen vineyards even in the courtyard of my house in Yerevan. Vineyards have seen industrial volumes throughout the Ararat Valley. And here where in Siberia "Siberia" I will not understand in any way. Syunik Marz?
            1. ccsr
              ccsr April 25 2018 11: 51
              +2
              Quote: genisis
              And here where in Siberia "Siberia" I will not understand in any way. Syunik Marz?

              Leninakan and everything around. And the Ararat Valley is too small to produce as much brandy as it is sold. So we know about your cognac, and about Ossetian vodka - swill, which is prepared with the connivance of local authorities.
              1. genisis
                genisis April 25 2018 21: 56
                -1
                swill, which is prepared with the connivance of local authorities.

                Swine is what you deign to enjoy.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr April 26 2018 11: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: genisis
                  Swine is what you deign to enjoy.

                  With a finger in the sky - I do not drink. But the fact that your compatriots drive away swill, calling it Armenian cognac, is a fact.
                  1. genisis
                    genisis April 27 2018 07: 34
                    -1
                    Only Armenian brandy can be called Armenian cognac. Poylo can have any name, but will remain a swill. For example, in the Moscow region they adopted a gang that faked many types of alcohol: from vodka to Scotch whiskey. Among the detainees there was not a single Scotsman))) This adhesive tape did not suffer from these actions. With Armenian cognac the same thing.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr April 27 2018 14: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: genisis
                      Only Armenian brandy can be called Armenian cognac. Poylo can have any name, but will remain a swill. For example, in the Moscow region they adopted a gang that faked many types of alcohol: from vodka to Scotch whiskey. Among the detainees there was not a single Scotsman))) This adhesive tape did not suffer from these actions. With Armenian cognac the same thing.



                      "... About half of the volume of Armenian cognac exported to Russia is made from foreign alcohol, says economist Vahagn Khachatryan.

                      “We may encounter a sharp decline in the production of cognac. And this will not be due to the amount of grapes. There is great doubt that the part of the cognac that appears to be cognac and is sold in Russia is not real. According to unofficial data, not only are the drinks exported from Russia local raw materials, but also from alcohol brought from the border, which does not meet the criteria of a real cognac, "Khachatryan said.
      2. Borders
        Borders April 24 2018 20: 47
        +1
        have a bite (s)
    4. V. Salama
      V. Salama April 24 2018 20: 26
      +1
      Quote: oracul
      .... But the main thing is not this. Armenia is really too pro-Western to trust it fully, and moreover, in a word. Russia does not need enemies and there is no need to create them. But it is not worth it to be complacent. ...

      Currently, neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan can be either friends or allies of Russia due to many reasons, including because of the Karabakh territorial conflict, so there can be no talk of any trust. In this situation, it’s not worth creating enemies, or “do not feel good”, but you must act smartly playing on the contradictions of these countries in order to maintain their internal stability.
      Quote: oracul
      ... Then what is our interest. There is a military man, but he requires a more complete understanding, taking into account the realities. Economic. Do I personally have a big question? ...

      Our geopolitical interest is opposing the expansion of a geopolitical adversary. We should not allow the deployment of NATO military bases on the territory of these countries, and secret biological laboratories will suffice from us. Otherwise, the "military interest", the presence of which you acknowledge, will escalate to impossibility. In the structure of human activity, practically everything that is used can be represented as a means (tool, resource) of achieving any goals, the same bridgehead, for example. And the logic of the war says that the resource that cannot be used is destroyed in order to prevent the capture by the enemy. But this is not the case, which means that the resource must be fought to the end by all available means, otherwise it is damage and a step to defeat. Another question - is there a solution to this problem, such as eating a fish and a tram ride? But this question is to our diplomacy and to the multi-skill master in foreign policy. Time will show the result, but it certainly will not resolve itself.
  6. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk April 24 2018 08: 00
    +24
    So, proceeding from such logic as in the article, it turns out that our Guarantor acts very correctly, having tamed the situation in Armenia, but not taking a single step in Syria.
    As an airfield, Syria is much more preferable than Armenia. Even as a spaceport - much better. And there are fewer Armenians. And there is no American embassy, ​​from the word in general. And to Israel, just cross the street. And to Yerevan, a stone's throw. And Suez - here it is, zua look into the corner, to Bab al-Mandeb some lousy 1500 km, and there already Somalia and Eritrea. also do not understand whose, or ours. or not ours.
    This is pure, so to speak, pragmatic.
    And if you take it more thoughtfully. then here are two and a half thousand overgrown americos at the embassy ONLY - and what, did this Serzhenka Sargsyan only see yesterday? I think he was eaten bald, telling how it would all end. Spit on warnings.
    Well, just do not care, then somersault yourself. The Armenian boys didn’t start shouting yet - Moskalyaku on a dime, no? Or - Who does not ride, that Azerbaijan ... no, did not start?
    Then I will tell you what will happen in the next five years - Nagorno-Karabakh will crush Azerbaijan, Turkey, in the guise of it, will establish especially violent nationalities in the next world and raise its own ones to replace it. Armenia will fall apart at the crossroads. Those who are more capable will flee to the south of Russia, those who are richer - will be dumped in Europe and North America.
    And then, the remnant of poverty. will be hung again on Russia - they will say this is a legacy of the Soviet past. Type of recovery Spitak in 1988.
    In short, I don’t expect anything good .. It's all sad.
    1. Opera
      Opera April 24 2018 19: 58
      +3
      Put you +! Not for optimism but for realism! I will only add that to the legacy of the Soviet past, those who are now jumping will add Russia's inaction! As you know, disinterested lovers of all kinds of Western democratic values ​​terribly do not like to answer for the consequences of a fiery revolutionary struggle!
    2. genisis
      genisis April 24 2018 20: 57
      0
      You read and wonder what drugs can turn an ordinary-looking person into a real iksperd? )))
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 24 2018 21: 57
        0
        "Expeditions" are called.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr April 25 2018 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: genisis
        You read and wonder

        And for objectivity, you go to the forum "Military Review" and there you can debate on the topic of relations to Transcaucasia. I think it will be interesting for you to find out the "voice of the people", at the same time you yourself can express your opinion.
        1. genisis
          genisis April 25 2018 22: 00
          -1
          And you for objectivity go to the forum "Military Review"

          This is facespalm.
          What makes you think that the discussion on the VO forum can reflect something objectively?
          Usually a "slop tub" is always subjective)))
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 26 2018 11: 43
            0
            Quote: genisis
            What makes you think that the discussion on the VO forum can reflect something objectively?

            There, such topics do not subside, as informational ones, and you will be able to see how the discussion has been going on for a long time, and to express what you do not like. And the audience there is quite adequate, it is unlikely to disregard your answers.
            1. genisis
              genisis April 27 2018 07: 36
              -1
              Splashing around in nationalist dung with you and your fellow tribesmen? Thank you, I have something to do.
              1. Rostislav Mikhailovich
                Rostislav Mikhailovich 19 May 2018 21: 28
                +1
                Splashing around in nationalist dung along with you and your fellow tribesmen?

                In your opinions, the conflict turns out, do not you think? That is, now you have already forgotten that you are a citizen of Russia?
                And yet I was right, as if I was looking into the water. For you, Russian citizenship will never be a priority. This is just bragging ..... and a veil to hide what you breathe.
      3. Rostislav Mikhailovich
        Rostislav Mikhailovich 19 May 2018 21: 22
        +1
        What drugs can turn an ordinary-looking person into a real iksperd? )))

        Maybe armenikum? lol
    3. garnik
      garnik April 24 2018 20: 57
      +1
      And in the long run, you cannot think of it. I could continue. Handing over our allies, the turn will come for Russia itself. I think the Russian state is ruled by smart people not a couple to you.
    4. Dry
      Dry April 28 2018 13: 16
      -1
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      Then I will tell you what will happen in the next five years.

      Can you also predict the course of bitcoin?
  7. Vard
    Vard April 24 2018 08: 07
    +13
    The Armenians do not want peace and quiet ... they must be forced to do so ... Let Rostekhnadzor check all their enterprises ... they don’t understand ... let it check the Ministry of Emergencies ...
    1. mgero
      mgero April 24 2018 10: 05
      0
      V Armenii pochti vse Xoroshie pribilnie Aktivi prinalejat Rossiskim komponiyam, iv Armenii toje est kontroleri, a tak mne ponjatno zdeshnix divvanix generalov. I v Armenii tupie politiki iv Rassii, posledovatelnosti netu, vse dumayut tolko kak uderjat vlast. A potom esli ostolos vremya uje o strane io narode, proigrishnaya logika.
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut April 24 2018 11: 56
        +3
        Quote: mgero
        A potom esli ostolos vremya uje o strane io narode, proigrishnaya logika

        That's rarely anyone thinks about it, from the word at all. It’s not fashionable for politicians now, it didn’t frighten the bourgeoisie by the name of the USSR, so everything started to go in the opposite direction, soon and in the west the oxygen will be shut off to the hard workers. They have already come up with a name for this process - a post-industrial economic system. The choice is not rich: Either build the USSR again, or all will gradually receive grants.
      2. Rostislav Mikhailovich
        Rostislav Mikhailovich 19 May 2018 21: 30
        +1
        iv Armenii toje est kontroleri,

        Are you scared? Joker!
  8. Imobile
    Imobile April 24 2018 09: 59
    +3
    My question is: Why, when choosing a side between the people of Armenia and the stealing kings, who want to stay in power all their lives and pass on by inheritance, we chose the second?
    1. Antares
      Antares April 24 2018 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: Imobile
      My question is: Why, when choosing a side between the people of Armenia and the stealing kings, who want to stay in power all their lives and pass on by inheritance, we chose the second?

      So I want to write, they don’t leave their own. However, people are always just a toy in the hands of the elites. They are put forward and represent countries in negotiations and are elected in elections (except for them it’s clear that no one falls-filtering).
      Moscow has always relied on such elites. In order to work on a large scale (for example, as the EU / USA / China, I will include Hungary in the list, who needs to learn from the Russian Federation) you need to create projects, unified ideas, you need to work at the grassroots levels. It's not easy. It’s easier through the elite, and you don’t need ideas except money.
      1. RomanS
        RomanS April 24 2018 14: 16
        0
        Bet on existing "elite". I have to work with the material that is. And in Ukraine, and in Georgia and in Armenia. If you don’t dance, you dance!
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut April 24 2018 11: 59
      0
      They never bet on the people, they use it stupidly, as a rule in the dark.
    3. Dry
      Dry April 28 2018 13: 21
      -1
      Quote: Imobile
      My question is: Why, when choosing a side between the people of Armenia and the stealing kings, who want to stay in power all their lives and pass on by inheritance, we chose the second?

      Because comrade politicians that you don’t want to work with us. After all, it’s boring and long and difficult to work with the people, and it’s easy to work with the kings - he took the phone, shouted and a mustache.
    4. Rostislav Mikhailovich
      Rostislav Mikhailovich 19 May 2018 21: 36
      +1
      Because the people of Armenia have already shown and proved what they want, well, most importantly, from whom they want. Alas, they want from the West and it has always been so. Russia was needed at the dawn of the 90s so that the Azerbaijanis did not break the ridge of the Armenians. And now, when they’ve already seen they’ve gotten to their feet, they can’t keep everything that they have been hiding for a long time, so they made their choice in favor of the protege of 2500 American diplomats and Western NGOs.
  9. solovald
    solovald April 24 2018 10: 37
    +3
    What? Again? Again, our "fathers-commanders" (read, expert politicians) overslept? Well, your work is wonderful ... (I will not mention it in vain).
  10. solovald
    solovald April 24 2018 10: 40
    +2
    Well, then get along with the "Maidan" and the second Karabakh ... Ilham will not miss his place, and there you will get the "Ukraine".
  11. Beholder
    Beholder April 24 2018 11: 03
    +2
    Quote: mgero
    V Armenii pochti vse Xoroshie pribilnie Aktivi prinalejat Rossiskim komponiyam, iv Armenii toje est kontroleri, a tak mne ponjatno zdeshnix divvanix generalov. I v Armenii tupie politiki iv Rassii, posledovatelnosti netu, vse dumayut tolko kak uderjat vlast. A potom esli ostolos vremya uje o strane io narode, proigrishnaya logika.


    Yes, no one argues with this, but all THESE Russian companies belong, for the most part, to ethnic Armenians.
  12. ccsr
    ccsr April 24 2018 11: 29
    0
    Author: Viktor Kuzovkov
    Two geopolitical factors make Armenia a rather tasty target for the geopolitical aspirations of the largest geopolitical players.

    Judging by Georgia, it is even more a tidbit for different players, only now I haven’t heard the West push money there. So with Armenia-they will make pro-American power, and will abandon as well as Ukraine.
    And the sooner this all clears up, the better for us - it’s time to learn to understand the psychology of different peoples of the former USSR so as not to make mistakes, as was the case with Ukraine and Georgia.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut April 24 2018 12: 01
      +2
      America never invests money in countries; they invest money only in politicians - the country's leadership. It comes out both cheaper and more efficiently.
  13. Ramzay121
    Ramzay121 April 24 2018 11: 35
    +8
    "And we will never make a real ally (from Azerbaijan).
    And to lose Armenia under the sweet dreams of Azerbaijani oil is what we can easily do. "

    Not an expert, but a level 80 strategist is simple, like Russia's foreign policy. Yeah, from Armenia a great ally was made. At the beginning of the last century they betrayed Turkey, for which they received, then they betrayed Azerbaijan, the cat. sheltered them in their lands. Well, now it’s Russia’s turn. Hold on tight.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 24 2018 12: 12
      +4
      Quote: Ramzay121
      Hold on tight.

      We will not hold on to both of you - you too well know your essence after the collapse of the USSR.
      1. Ramzay121
        Ramzay121 April 24 2018 12: 18
        +8
        Really? Or maybe we saw your essence? 1990 January Baku, 1992 Khojaly .... etc. I can list for a long time.
        1. RomanS
          RomanS April 24 2018 14: 24
          +3
          Do you also have tanks in the center of the capital the Supreme Council shot? And over the years, there has been no labor migration from Russia to Azerbaijan. Rather, the opposite. And at the same time, guest workers are in no hurry to learn the Russian language (many do not even know how to read) and are not in a hurry to assimilate either. Preferred clan existence. So to speak, the transfer of traditions to a new place. And here you are! And here we are! It smacks of chauvinism! Do not find?
          1. Ramzay121
            Ramzay121 April 24 2018 14: 54
            +7
            Quote: RomanS
            It smacks of chauvinism! Do not find?

            Well, you, you have a monopoly on chauvinism. We do not even pretend.
        2. megavolt823
          megavolt823 April 24 2018 14: 29
          +4
          Maxim, you're wrong. unfortunately we all became part of a big provocation at the end of 80x and the beginning of 90x. I studied a girl in a refugee class from Azerbaijan. and they didn’t run with their family because of Karabakh. there is no need to lie here adults, and not a gopp driveway. the attitude of Russians towards Transcaucasia was and is not separate among nationalities. from negative to positive. in my yard there was one peasant taxi driver from Transcaucasia, funny, he loved cats, everyone respected him. when he died it became sad. remember him after 15 years. and there was another .......... when everyone died exactly. they are shaking Armenia not for their good and not for yours. but to continue the slaughter in Eurasia. people may be brought but I do not believe that there were no third countries in the setting fire. and cries, yes we are them and we are you, not appropriate and stupid. we all lose. hi
          1. Ramzay121
            Ramzay121 April 24 2018 14: 50
            +5
            Quote: megavolt823
            maxim you are wrong

            Vladislav, to advise you not to lie, you should at least understand. Apparently you prefer ccsr tone. Many Armenians studied with me, they all successfully sold their apartments for a good price and left. These were mainly, but there are those who did not. You are talking about refugee, and you saw 200 thousand refugees in one day, cat. fled from Armenia. I’m not talking about the next 800 thousand. We can discuss any topic, and there are cat themes. It is painful for everyone.
            I answered ccsr, in the same tone as he wrote.
            1. onega67
              onega67 April 27 2018 09: 17
              0
              All this was done not by Azerbaijanis, but by nya !!!
        3. ccsr
          ccsr April 24 2018 17: 51
          +5
          Quote: Ramzay121
          Really? Or maybe we saw your essence?

          You saw our essence in only one thing - to sit on our neck. And as soon as they threw you away, they immediately turned out to be bad. As for Baku, I was lying in a hospital in the Moscow Region with a refugee from there, an old retired major, whose wife went crazy when the Azerbaijani nationalists robbed them and threw them out of the housing that the state gave them. So do not tell me that you are better than Armenians - you are the same as they are, and only naive people can trust you. The Russian people, as I was convinced, left the Caucasian republics a long time ago, and if they remained, then in very small numbers. And this is very good for Russia - these people know those peoples, and will free our people from illusions regarding such "friends."
          1. unregistered
            unregistered April 24 2018 19: 00
            +6
            How many Russians live in Armenia?
            0,000001
            How many Russians live in Azerbaijan now?
            - several hundred thousand.
            Moreover, Azerbaijanis speak Russian among themselves. (Smaller younger generation)
            (And do not forget about Russia's help in capturing Karabakh.)
            that's all.
            1. genisis
              genisis April 24 2018 19: 17
              +3
              (And do not forget about Russia's help in capturing Karabakh.)

              The Zakavturetsky propagandist can be accurately calculated in any crowd using several key phrases.
              Above is one of them)))
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      2. unregistered
        unregistered April 24 2018 18: 57
        +4
        The first, even before the Baltic states, the Armenians left the USSR.
        1. genisis
          genisis April 24 2018 19: 19
          +5
          The first of the USSR in January 1990 came the Nakhichevan Soviet Autonomous Republic under the strict guidance of Heydar Baba. The history of your tribe should be remembered.
    2. scrap123
      scrap123 April 24 2018 14: 36
      0
      do not make laugh with your lands historian)))
      1. Ramzay121
        Ramzay121 April 24 2018 14: 57
        +3
        Therefore, scrap))
        1. megavolt823
          megavolt823 April 24 2018 16: 54
          0
          did they run from Russia to Azerbaijan? you specify. there were a lot of Russians. almost gone.
          1. megavolt823
            megavolt823 April 24 2018 17: 01
            +1
            my tone can be angry. he is deserved. many showed their true face. everyone is going to Russia now and they don’t understand why such an attitude towards them.
            1. megavolt823
              megavolt823 April 24 2018 17: 02
              0
              According to the report of the chairman of the Russian community of Azerbaijan
              Mikhail Zabelin, for the 2004 year, about 168 thousand Russians remained in the country, while on January 1 of the 1979 year about 476 thousand citizens of Russian nationality lived in Azerbaijan, in the 22 regions of the republic
              there were about 70 Russian settlements and settlements. In 1989, 392 thousands of Russians lived in Azerbaijan (not counting other Russian speakers), in 1999, 176 thousands ...

              Against this background, the mass of Azerbaijanis safely settled in Russia, in Moscow. But this
              it seemed a little, and in January 2007 of the year, the Karabakh Liberation Organization threatened the Russians remaining in Azerbaijan. Threat
              was motivated by the alleged discrimination of their compatriots in Russia:
              “The situation of Azerbaijanis in all regions of Russia, and in particular in central cities, is deplorable. Shopping facilities owned by our compatriots are closed, those who are trying to open new ones,
              they are subjected to checks, fines are imposed on them, searches are conducted in the homes of Azerbaijanis, and violence is used.
              1. megavolt823
                megavolt823 April 24 2018 17: 14
                0
                those who have come to live for a long time, and behave like everyone else. to them and attitude. but newcomers disgust me. this is not all Russians know about 1990 13 January. the world generally took a hard loan. and ours (fraternal republics) behaved like ....... and not justified. hi
              2. ccsr
                ccsr April 24 2018 18: 00
                0
                Quote: megavolt823
                they are subjected to checks, fines are imposed on them, searches are conducted in the homes of Azerbaijanis, and violence is used.

                They “forgot” how they arranged a march with the corpse of their fellow countryman on Komsomolsky Prospekt, which died in their showdowns, and how the Moscow police immediately broke their horns, but it seems that the lesson didn’t go for the future ...
    3. Borders
      Borders April 24 2018 20: 49
      +2
      "... At the beginning of the last century they betrayed Turkey, for which they received it, then they betrayed Azerbaijan, a cat. Sheltered them on its lands ..."

      you still have a noble tryn grass ... or maybe you mix something in tea, don’t you?
    4. garnik
      garnik April 24 2018 21: 10
      +3
      Ramzay121 (Maxim

      Armenians revolted in their historical lands. Before when the so-called Azerbaijan, it was common to all the peoples of the South Caucasus. And suddenly it began to belong to the nomadic people. And who betrayed? Who betrayed the Muslim peoples in the so-called Azerbaijan, which was used to achieve their goals, and then thrown. Why is it called a Talysh shame? Asi Aslanov is twice a hero of the Soviet Union, Talysh, you don’t have one.
      1. Ramzay121
        Ramzay121 April 25 2018 11: 32
        +2
        garnik (Garnik) - you don’t have to carry nonsense. Lying is your trademark. When the Armenians or Hai, or Khachiks, Parthians, Cilicians, I don’t know who else you think you are, we all know well in Transcaucasia. The packs brought you Russians into our territories from Iran, fled from Turkey. Read the story. So free. No, I forgot, Noah is there on the Mount Ararat, too, an Armenian). Listen to you so one joke
        1. garnik
          garnik April 25 2018 13: 07
          +2
          Turkmens pretend to Parthians, just like you. on the Albanians.
          A story? And this you say, without a year, a week? Give us your version of the story, we will laugh together.
          Have you heard about the Armenian Carthage? This is a modern artashat. So the home-made historians are fooling you. Or in an extreme case ask LEK, he will give a lecture, I think you will believe him, if for you world history is nothing.
        2. Borders
          Borders 2 May 2018 12: 04
          +1
          so what about the former Russian base in Gabala?
          1. Rostislav Mikhailovich
            Rostislav Mikhailovich 19 May 2018 21: 52
            0
            Yes, both of you are anointed with one world! There is Gabala, and you have high-sounding slogans a la "Russia the occupier", "Down with Russia", etc. etc. It’s just that you don’t have (political, financial, economic, etc.) the opportunity to openly express your “love” for us.
            So our faithful ally is our army!
        3. Borders
          Borders 20 May 2018 18: 34
          0
          don’t tell people ... enough already to carry the Absheron heresy here: both Herodotus and Strabo and many other ANCIENT times historians wrote about Armenians. But about the Turks (and Azeri) not a single line ... So, who then came to the Caucasus?
  14. Sedoy
    Sedoy April 24 2018 11: 56
    +3
    well ... now pin to sy, the power in Armenia will be completely squeezed out ...
    hello to the Kremlin ... :)
    he’s already like a football team - everything is possible about the team ...

    be, Armenia, in the African Zanzibar, then God be with them, their business is what to do at home ...
    here the trick is that each time the Kremlin gives in to the “border territories” itself pin ...
    Stalin, "took" from the Finns, pushing the boundaries ...
    and the Kremlin has already "lowered" Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova ...
    now Armenia
    Kazakhstan and Belarus are next in turn, they are already sitting on half-bent - neither yours, nor ours ... are waiting for the moment ...

    you can imagine that pin to sy, so frolic around their borders ... :)
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 24 2018 12: 13
      +2
      Quote: Sedoy
      you can imagine that pin to sy, so frolic around their borders ... :)

      Have you heard anything about Cuba? You can be proud of this country, since you do not know about it.
    2. sleeve
      sleeve April 24 2018 19: 15
      +1
      I apologize here Cyril and Methodius are interested in why you frighten their alphabet on such nonsense? if you want to bite the Kremlin, go to Moscow, there access to the wall is free ... bite a couple of times.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve April 24 2018 19: 16
        0
        about the football team ... where is the hockey team of britain ... or brazil ........... 7
      2. Borders
        Borders 20 May 2018 18: 35
        0
        Cyril and Methodius ?! are you a telepath? or are you drinking again?
  15. AleBors
    AleBors April 24 2018 12: 35
    +2
    Concern not yet expressed? And really, why? The authorities have already responded that this is the business of the Armenians ... But we are on the sidelines.
    It remains to congratulate our authorities on ... how to put it mildly ... loss of influence in another border region.
    1. sleeve
      sleeve April 24 2018 19: 12
      0
      with whom is the border region?
      1. AleBors
        AleBors April 25 2018 10: 38
        0
        Cross-border .. And the base in Gyumri. Does it change anything?
  16. Alex66
    Alex66 April 24 2018 14: 25
    +1
    I won’t be surprised if we swelled 200 billion to Armenia (as in Ukraine) and did not get control, and the United States unfastened 3-5 billion (like in Ukraine) and got what we wanted at this stage. What turns out? Either our money doesn’t reach the addressees in Ukraine and Armenia, they just dug it, or we cannot stipulate and protect our interests.
    1. sleeve
      sleeve April 24 2018 19: 12
      0
      Duck we are building economies for them (as after the war), and these cookies are being targeted in their mouths. We can’t be likened in any way ... We cannot and cannot
  17. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be April 24 2018 14: 29
    +2
    The Apricot Revolution
    The star of the reality show Kim Kardashian called yesterday’s events in Armenia “historical day”. She wrote about this on her twitter.
    “It is so inspiring: to see how all the citizens of Armenia united in peaceful protests for the sake of change. This is a historic day for Armenia, ”Kardashian wrote. http://vesti.az/news/360552

    1. Objectives:

    A. Change of the geopolitical orientation of Armenia to the USA and the West

    B. The separation of Armenia from the Russian Federation and Iran and its withdrawal from the CSTO ... of the Eurasian Economic Union, the withdrawal of the Russian military base from Armenia
    ((Armenia is a member of the CSTO ... a member of the Eurasian Economic Union.
    It is worth a lot to tear such an ally from Russia and turn Armenia into a springboard for the West in the Caucasus. Therefore, for the United States and the West this is a very serious and important task))
    Now Yerevan is in fairly good relations with Tehran. A change of power in Armenia is also pressure on Iran.

    B. Destabilization of the Caucasus, including in Karabakh between Armenia and Azerbaijan .. A new war!
    “Against the background of internal political events taking place in Armenia, Azerbaijan is accumulating manpower, artillery and military equipment on the line of contact with Artsakh, which gives reason to allow Baku to prepare for new adventures.” There is not the slightest doubt that the political crisis in the country will immediately serve as a signal for neighboring Azerbaijan for new attempts to take control of Nagorno-Karabakh.

    D. Establishment of a land bridgehead for US troops and the West on the border of Armenia and Iran. Through Georgia and its seaports
    Iran Americans and Israel will not leave alone !!

    The Armenian-Iranian border runs along the Araks River, its length is 35 km

    2 Reason for speaking: Election of the Sole Candidate of Sargsyan as Prime Minister of Armenia .. In 2015, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan initiated constitutional reform, as a result of which the country moved from a presidential to a parliamentary form of government. That is, real power is now concentrated in the hands of the prime minister. It is worth noting that Sargsyan said that he will no longer be nominated for the post of president or for the post of prime minister. However, on April 9, Sargsyan resigned, and on April 12, the ruling Republican Party of Armenia nominated him as prime minister

    In response to the decision of the parliament, Pashinyan announced the beginning of a “peaceful and velvet revolution”, which aimed to remove Sargsyan from the post he had just occupied.
    The following were taken into account:
    - - problems in the socio-economic sphere,
    --- problems with corruption
    3 Who is behind the events ::
    A. Inside the country: 1. Street. supported by the military and raised by the Union “Exodus” (also “Exit”, “Elk”, Armenian “Ելք” դաշինք) is a liberal political party alliance in Armenia. It was formed on December 12, 2016 through the merger of the parties "Civil Agreement", "Bright Armenia" [1] and "Republic". In terms of foreign policy, the alliance claims that Armenia’s decision to join the Eurasian Economic Union was wrong and had a negative impact on the country. The alliance has proposed resuming negotiations with the EU on the signing of a comprehensive free trade agreement.
    Yelk block stands for Armenia’s exit from the EAEU (March 10, 2017) Yelk faction leader Nikol Pashinyan
    B External - upon request
    SP ”: - It is clear that Washington is behind all these events. But the Armenian authorities themselves gave the United States unlimited opportunities on its territory. It turns out, and they themselves are to blame for what is happening now?
    “Essentially, yes.” Here we can draw a direct analogy with Yanukovych, who constantly made concessions to the West and, in fact, prepared the ground for his overthrow.
    ((comments on the situation of the deputy director of the Institute of History and Politics of the Moscow State Pedagogical University, political scientist Vladimir Shapovalov https://svpressa.ru/politic/article/198598/)

    4. Opposition requirements:
    A. The resignation of Sargsyan is satisfied. He is the first leader of the country who left his post under pressure from mass rallies. Armenian Prime Minister Serzh Sargsyan resigned as a result of mass street protests. His colleague, Deputy Prime Minister Karen Karapetyan, the former mayor of Yerevan and the Prime Minister of Armenia in 2016-2018 (and Gazprom’s top manager in 2011-2015) was appointed the interim head of government.
    B. The opposition sees the new prime minister see Nikol Pashinyan.
    B. Opposition calls for early parliamentary elections
    Four political forces are represented in the Armenian parliament:
    -Republican party (58 seats)
    - Dashnaktsutyun (7 places),
    They created a ruling coalition
    - “Prosperous Armenia” (31st place), playing the role of LDPR, and
    - “Elk” (9 seats), which represents the interests of the so-called “street opposition”

    5 The joy of some Georgians == Bacho Korchilava
    20 hours ago
    "" Dear experts on the South Caucasus - remember a few details.
    The party of Nikol Pashinyan is called Elk. They always opposed the entry of Armenia into the Customs Union. Pashinyan is a very liberal politician who has always advocated the rapprochement between Armenia and Europe.
    Therefore, believe me - now the Russians have a lot of problems, and therefore they did not show the events in Yerevan through their channels. "" ""
    Pysy ::
    If successful, protest leaders will be able or, most likely, will NOT be able to change policies, ... ????
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 24 2018 18: 03
      +1
      Quote: To be or not to be
      Therefore, believe me - now the Russians have a lot of problems, and therefore they did not show the events in Yerevan through their channels. "" ""

      Believe me, we don’t need them, and the sooner we get rid of such an “ally”, the more money we can spend on our defense, and this is a more reliable business.
    2. garnik
      garnik April 24 2018 20: 36
      0
      To be or not to be

      Not a damn thing you do not know. Something superficially read, but the essence remained you not understood.
      I will tell you so, the more Russia draws closer to Turkey, the more Armenia is worried about its future. The current situation in the South Caucasus is the "fruit" of the friendship of the Bolsheviks and Turks in the 20s. And today a similar thing is happening.
      History does not teach Russia. Turkey with the rest of the Turks is the infantry for the Anglo-Saxons and the "chosen ones."
      After Russia surrenders to Armenia, you will receive Turan. Google to the rescue. See cards or under the line of typing, pictures.
      1. avt
        avt April 24 2018 21: 02
        +3
        Quote: garnik
        After the surrender by Russia of Armenia,

        wassat Wai Mae?
        Then on the ruins of the chapel ... - Excuse me, did I ruin the chapel too?
        Or maybe something like that
        No, it was before you, in the 14th century.
        here we see the name of Maidaniliya under the leadership of dashnak tsutyun, on dengi uh-uh, say, diasporas in the USA So Kardashian turned her ass with joy bullyIt’s great how it turns out - they have their OWN state there, in a perverted group sex publicly on the square, and even cheaply, but in the end ..... Russia surrendered Armenia! wassat
        Quote: garnik
        After Russia surrenders to Armenia, you will receive Turan.

        Alas! How scary, especially when you consider that the Bosphorus Sokil is not
        Quote: garnik
        Turan
        , and quite a Neo-Ottoman Empire is building itself, being incidentally an ethnic Georgian. bully And there it is not the Türks who are planned — the Ottomans. Well, somehow it’s not in the first one — we will figure it out ourselves, as we did under VanIV under Molody. And it’s not for Armenians today to moan about
        Quote: garnik
        the more Russia draws closer to Turkey, the more Armenia is worried about its future.

        That's when you knock out the Russian army from bases in Armenia with the help of the Dashnaks, like the Georgians themselves, led by Comrade Saa ... Ah! What a man! Which was presented to Adzharia, and for this he kicked the base out of Batum and Akhalkalaki with kicks, then yes. Be afraid!
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be April 24 2018 21: 09
        +1
        garnik (Garnik) Today, 20:36 ↑
        To be or not to be
        Not a damn thing you do not know. Something superficially read, but the essence remained you not understood. "
        .... syndrome from 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX ... ???? Sad
        "Sad Demon, spirit of exile,
        He flew over the sinful earth, ..
        ... and in front of him a different picture
        Beauty alive bloomed:
        Luxurious Georgia Valley
        Carpet spread out in the distance;
        Happy, lush edge of the earth! "" "
      3. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 April 24 2018 21: 56
        +1
        The Russians "must" fight for the Armenians. while they are very busy. they work in three shifts in our markets. Armenians! You have a revolution. the fate of the country is being decided. throw tomatoes and run to Yerevan!
      4. Rostislav Mikhailovich
        Rostislav Mikhailovich 20 May 2018 00: 05
        +1
        Turkey with the rest of the Turks is the infantry for the Anglo-Saxons and the "chosen".

        Yes, to hell with these Turks! But you, the Armenians, are also not particularly loyal to the West. What is the difference between the Armenians who have already become, sorry my jacket, pawns of the Anglo-Saxons and the elite and between the Turks?
        Given that both have become pawns, why not Russia choose a more capable, solvent and wealthy pawn?
        After the surrender by Russia of Armenia

        We didn’t let anyone in! You rushed into the arms of the Americans.
        Something superficially read

        What about ?! All those who read literature different from the views of the Armenians read superficially and do not grasp the essence. And only the Armenians read extremely correct literature and delve into the essence from the first take.
  18. Ivan Zatsepin
    Ivan Zatsepin April 24 2018 15: 18
    +5
    The sooner all these dependents get off the Russian neck the better. And even better if the Azerbaijani-Turkish peacekeepers enter it.
    1. scrap123
      scrap123 April 24 2018 15: 24
      +1
      look so that they don’t come to you.
    2. Borders
      Borders April 24 2018 20: 50
      0
      so it seems already went. og. Operation Ring.
    3. Rostislav Mikhailovich
      Rostislav Mikhailovich 20 May 2018 00: 08
      0
      The sooner all these dependents get off the Russian neck the better.

      Here I am about it! The more mercantile we become, the sweeter we are for the former "brothers"! For without us they feel burning in their sciatic nerves.
  19. sevtrash
    sevtrash April 24 2018 15: 54
    +3
    Now they will demand to withdraw the base and pay for any damage caused - historical, the existence of the base, some kind of interference in internal affairs, etc. They don’t live there very much, they’ll gladly go to cookies with the hope of a new older brother. He will surely decide everything.
  20. Victorio
    Victorio April 24 2018 16: 40
    0
    while the scenario is one on one, unrest, resignation, and the "areal" composition of the government.
  21. FLOOD
    FLOOD April 24 2018 16: 48
    +4
    Quote: Strashila
    Armenia is a bridgehead for bringing democracy to Azerbaijan, and then to Turkmenistan. Aliyev needs to do everything to save the buffer in the form of Karabakh to maintain his power.

    Sorry, whose will you be? What they wrote, as if your enthusiasm cooked?
  22. FLOOD
    FLOOD April 24 2018 17: 07
    +2
    Quote: Ramzay121
    Therefore, scrap))

    There is no method against scrap if there is no other scrap))
  23. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 April 24 2018 17: 35
    +2
    Withdraw the contingent, stop trading, prohibit the transfer of funds, do not issue a residence permit (those who have applied for it - back to Yerevan), business needs time to think about withdrawing funds from the State of Armenia! We are waiting! There is Turkey, here is Azerbaijan ... Oil painting!
  24. Kokarev Mikhail
    Kokarev Mikhail April 24 2018 18: 36
    +1
    2,5 thousand = 2 regiments of trained and high-class saboteurs. They will tear Armenia to their belts and help their Turkish brothers to complete the genocide. Armenians consider themselves very smart, let's see.
  25. Lex.
    Lex. April 24 2018 18: 38
    0
    They think now heal
  26. Lex.
    Lex. April 24 2018 18: 50
    0
    [quote = Lex.] They think we’ll live now / quote]
  27. AleksSandro
    AleksSandro April 24 2018 18: 50
    +2
    Well, first of all, so many American air regiments, so that they present a real danger to us, cannot be deployed there with all the desire. Nearby are the Kuban, and the republics of the North Caucasus, and Abkhazia, allied to us, with our base (and where to Abkhazia, Georgia is near, ready to devour it), and neither the ovs, nor their allies have close proximity to either the Black Sea bases of the Navy or the military flotilla on The Caspian. Why do they need Armenia? Isn’t it easier to place your base in Georgia? Most likely, it will certainly not mind. And Turkey is nearby, where they can, if necessary, land and take off - after all, a common NATO membership. By the way, the close proximity with Turkey and Azerbaijan is also a reality, and what kind of tender feelings they have for Armenia is well known: if something happens, would you want to protect it from your "NATO ally"? I have a lot of acquaintances of Armenians and acquaintances of Azerbaijanis - there are a dozen or three at least three. How they respond about each other - I will not quote, clearly and so, moreover, Azerbaijanis speak even more sharply and more aggressively than Armenians. I’m afraid that without a Russian base, these threats will become reality
    1. icant007
      icant007 April 25 2018 08: 42
      +1
      About the hatred of each other. The fact that Azerbaijanis speak sharper in relation to the Armenians agrees. And I see only one reason - Armenia strongly offended its neighbors with something. With what? - This must be understood by scientists.
      But in my life I adhere to one truth - If you are not loved, then the problem is in you.
    2. Rostislav Mikhailovich
      Rostislav Mikhailovich 20 May 2018 00: 21
      0
      I’m afraid that without a Russian base, these threats will become reality

      Lord What do we need ?! Isn't it time to think about your benefits? Or do you think that until the end of our lives we should (must) sacrifice our interests for the sake of “brothers” who will sell us for 20 pieces of silver? Remember what Otto von Bismarck said? You give in once ... you will give in all your life! So it is with us .... since we "understood" and "forgiven", two we lost in some places, three we closed our eyes .....
      So now, the interests of mother Russia are the priority, and not the interests of Armenians, Azerbaijanis or Apaches.
  28. Lex.
    Lex. April 24 2018 18: 50
    0
    They think we’ll live now /
  29. sleeve
    sleeve April 24 2018 18: 59
    +1
    but probably still the correct opinion. let him go ... hi all of them in the arms of the warm west will accept. someone the yoke of Azerbaijan, and someone east of the Igilovites. Is it difficult for us to close the border? no. they are too lazy to watch the news. they are a hundred bucks for a rally more expensive than sovereignty ... well, let them let them down. words simply for "soyuznichki" no good left. at 91 they got mad, well, let them grow up. at my own expense. Ukrainians won freedom achieved. Ukraine Tse Europe. for gas prices already yes. everyone who wants something and can already in Russia. with us they and we with them. And if for those who are in Armenia with a MILLENNIUM history of truth from an iPhone, the flair of their national flag is more accurate, the flag is three-colored in hand.
  30. sleeve
    sleeve April 24 2018 19: 06
    +4
    I don’t understand what the conversation is about. Display the base and let them stand alone. Not a good thing from them not a weld. Once again, I repeat- = all who are useful are already here. Why spend it? What connects us? Orthodoxy? Something we do not have a base in Serbia. Will they shout that they lost Armenia, will they attribute the defeat? Oh well. Loss is not something that is not great ... no. "You left us." Have you been with us? And where? In preferential gas prices and in loans of three percent, when did we really have nothing to eat here? I think, goodbye ...
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 April 24 2018 22: 01
      +2
      Are the Armenians Orthodox? They have "catalysis of all Armenians." used to be Vazgen. Now I do not know ...
      1. genisis
        genisis April 24 2018 22: 07
        +1
        Are the Armenians Orthodox?

        Yes, the Armenians are Orthodox.
        catalycosis

        Catalikos.
        The difference between the Armenians, the Miafizites and the Greek diaphysites, whose church tradition is continued by the Russian church, is not at all in the name of the church head.
        1. icant007
          icant007 April 25 2018 08: 45
          +1
          You learned one genius and repeat it here: "The difference between the Armenians the Miafizites and the Greek diaphysites, whose church tradition is continued by the Russian church, is not at all in the name of the church head." But thanks to you, I now know who such monophysites and diaphysites are. wink
          1. genisis
            genisis April 25 2018 10: 15
            0
            Ikant 007 did not understand what is your problem? Thanks to me, you even enlightened. What's wrong? Again, start to say something canonically, then moving out to character traits?
            1. icant007
              icant007 April 25 2018 12: 21
              +1
              Do not hide behind the terms, reveal the essence. From my narrow-minded point of view, I explained what it means to be Orthodox. And you're all about monophysites. Tell people the difference between the Armenian Orthodox faith and the Russian one.
              But I have one problem - I want peace in the whole world.
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama April 25 2018 20: 31
                +2
                Quote: icant007
                ... And you are all about monophysites. Tell people the difference between the Armenian Orthodox faith and the Russian one. ....

                I do not understand what the problem is, why do I need to know the differences? In fact, it was like this: In the 6th century, the Armenian clergy refused to recognize the decree of the Chalcedon Ecumenical Council (451) on the dual (divine and human) nature of Jesus Christ, and the Armenian Church was proclaimed independent. Church isolation was a consequence of the ruling elite of Armenia to end economic and political dependence on Byzantium. According to their creed and cult A.ts. close to the orthodox church. They are distinguished by a different understanding of the incarnation of God (Christ is only God, and not God and man) and some cult features (use for communion of unleavened bread and whole wine).
                In principle, if they wish, they can of course try to play a religious card for the separation of peoples, even with such small differences, since there are no religious conflicts, as well as ethnic ones, there are economic conflicts that take on a religious or national color. But, I think that in modern conditions between Christians this is unlikely.
                1. icant007
                  icant007 April 25 2018 20: 51
                  +1
                  Well. This is what I understand the answer.
                  Quote: V. Salama
                  I do not understand what the problem is, why do I need to know the differences?

                  It's not about the differences per se. I had a wish for Genisis to make comment more accessible. From your words I understand everything, from him - no.
                2. ccsr
                  ccsr April 26 2018 11: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: V. Salama
                  since there are no religious conflicts, as well as interethnic ones, there are economic conflicts that take on a religious or national coloring.

                  Classical Marxism, and you can not argue with it.
                3. Rostislav Mikhailovich
                  Rostislav Mikhailovich 20 May 2018 00: 42
                  0
                  Church isolation was a consequence of the ruling elite of Armenia to end economic and political dependence on Byzantium.


                  Stop! So the tales about Armenian Orthodoxy are just tales to end the internal fear of Turks and Azerbaijanis, they say, dear Orthodox Russians, we Armenians are also Orthodox, so you are “obligated” to protect us. A priori, this means that tomorrow (with a light hand of the Armenian revolution and the Armenian people who supported it), Armenia can easily become not "Orthodox", but "Catholic" or "Protestant", because then there will be not Orthodox, but Protestant and Catholic defenders represented by NATO.
                  The end!
      2. garnik
        garnik April 24 2018 23: 58
        +1
        Are the Armenians Orthodox? They have "catalysis of all Armenians." used to be Vazgen. Now I do not know ...

        This is already progress. My daughter's teacher was amazed when she learned from her that the Armenians are Christians. And this is in Krasnodar, where there are a lot of Armenians.
  31. RedKors1953
    RedKors1953 April 24 2018 19: 09
    +4
    People do not rebel from a good life. Call at least one republic where people live humanly. Only crooks robbed the people live, and the authorities cover them. God forbid that the people of Armenia all work out well. And it’s time for the Russian people to pay attention to their snickering rulers.
  32. seal78
    seal78 April 24 2018 19: 10
    +1
    Armenia again shakes from protes shares

    Shaking? They have already overthrown power. This is not a “shock”, it is dying spasms.
    1. Borders
      Borders 2 May 2018 12: 06
      +1
      Did the overthrow of Nicholas II lead to the death of Russia? On the contrary, instead of the decrepit Russian Empire, it rose like a colossus - the USSR!
  33. genisis
    genisis April 24 2018 19: 13
    +1
    But we can nevertheless understand something. Namely - the unrest is not advertised, but quite tangible anti-Russian character. They are managed according to a scheme that has already been tested more than once, through dozens of so-called "non-profit organizations", or NPOs

    Yes, all already, freaked out. Change the training manual. The State Department and the American Embassy are to blame for everything here. So guilty that acting The premiere was a man who worked for more than 10 years in Gazprom. The analytics level of VO authors is extremely incompetent. The revolution in Armenia became possible only because "the lower classes could not, but the upper circles did not want." To Sargsyan's honor, he was able to leave without spilling blood.
    Those who write here about the loss of Artsakh or a change in the orientation of Armenian politics from Russia to some other centers of power simply do not understand what is being said.
    1. sleeve
      sleeve April 24 2018 19: 37
      +1
      See the news or is it all about Marx?
      1. genisis
        genisis April 24 2018 19: 52
        +1
        Want to say that something has changed since Karl’s time?
        1. sleeve
          sleeve April 24 2018 20: 01
          0
          I want ... the masses ceased to be masses and the crowd of hamsters is able to steer in terms of accomplishments under certain conditions. create conditions, block the rush of the masses in the media industry is the new Marxism. still reassured by democracy, if we re-vote. and so they began to have people in all the cracks based on the input data.
          1. sleeve
            sleeve April 24 2018 20: 01
            0
            and about socialist ideas, I agree ... nothing has changed. strive for them.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr April 24 2018 20: 02
          0
          Quote: genisis
          Want to say that something has changed since Karl’s time?

          The psychology of Russian people has changed after the collapse of the USSR - this is what our former "brothers" cannot understand.
          1. genisis
            genisis April 24 2018 20: 12
            0
            No one has any illusions about your psychology.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 22: 23
      0
      Quote: genisis
      Those who write here about the loss of Artsakh or a change in the orientation of Armenian politics from Russia to some other centers of power simply do not understand what is being said.

      you are the most understanding

      On April 14, Khachatur Kokobelyan, Chairman of the Free Democrats Party, member of the National Assembly of Armenia, presented a draft statement to the Parliament “On the Beginning of the Procedure for Terminating the Membership of the Republic of Armenia in the Eurasian Economic Union”

      Pashinyan stated that Armenia joined the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) "not voluntarily, but forcedly"
      1. genisis
        genisis April 24 2018 22: 26
        +1
        On April 14, Khachatur Kokobelyan, Chairman of the Free Democrats Party, member of the National Assembly of Armenia, presented a draft statement to the Parliament “On the Beginning of the Procedure for Terminating the Membership of the Republic of Armenia in the Eurasian Economic Union”

        And how far has the representation of the respected, but unknown to the deputy made .... in April 2016? It's been two already !!! years, and ties with the EAEU have only strengthened.
        And what conclusion are you going to draw from this information?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 25 2018 18: 48
          0
          Quote: genisis
          And what conclusion are you going to draw from this information?

          The conclusion was made by the current protesters in Yerevan - they already demand power, and the prime minister’s resignation. The Armenian Maidan steers.
    3. Rostislav Mikhailovich
      Rostislav Mikhailovich 20 May 2018 00: 51
      0
      To Sargsyan's honor, he was able to leave without spilling blood.

      And in my opinion, he also received a "guaranty" from overseas brothers. He wouldn’t give up like that, with ease and curtsy. Something is wrong here.
      Those who write here about the loss of Artsakh or a change in the orientation of Armenian politics from Russia to some other centers of power simply do not understand what is being said.

      God give it! Wait and see.
  34. akula
    akula April 24 2018 19: 58
    0
    Quote: mgero
    Pro OON, Nash ministr MID skazal priznayte Karabax a Mi priznayem Krim. Vi nexatite Nas poderjat No trebuyete poderjki. Mnogie ne ponimajut chto tvaritca v Armenii, skaju prosto lyudi xotyat sprovedlivosti, tut Amerika ne prichem. Russkie vibroli Putina a U Nas vse bilo pottosovano, ne vibori a sploshnoy pottosovka. Vot i vse.

    Lord, what world do you live in? What justice are you talking about? The Ukrainians spoke the same thing one-on-one during the Maidan, now they have a different song. What are the frauds? Have you gathered to choose someone? Yes, they’ll put you on the one whom the mattresses will choose. Nobody will ask you anything, you are a bargaining chip in someone else's game. Do you really think that the Armenian people are important to the masters of the world, either Ukrainian or Russian? If we die here tomorrow, they will only be happy. They and their- people don’t really like it, and we really ... And the word "justice" fell into syllables in 1991 together with the USSR. Everywhere. And what seemed unfair to your "maidan" would be unfair in the cube after it. You will see.
  35. garnik
    garnik April 24 2018 20: 05
    +1
    Mr. Smirnov, before you publish articles on the site do you read or what? In a chess term, is this pawn on Kuzovkov’s life friendly with his head or is it a provocative article for forum users offended by life?
    You by your action incite ethnic hatred. You are banned from me. am
  36. businessv
    businessv April 24 2018 20: 23
    0
    And we will never make a real ally out of him. And we can easily lose Armenia under the sweet dreams of Azerbaijani oil. But will we really feel better? But there are big doubts about this ...
    Actual article, the amount of mattress is surprising! Armenians don’t know why there are so many “Amer diplomats” there ?! And who dreams of Azerbaijani oil? We? Isn’t it enough already? What we have is not stored. lost - cry ?! Ukraine is an example of how it was not necessary to do, so at least Armenia should not oversleep again! Allies need to be valued and cherished, we have not so many of them, and they strive to blame us for their "bad life" because who else? No one else helped, so there you go! Whoever is lucky gets driven! The entire leadership of the former union republics cannot admit that they are badly running their own countries, and therefore we are appointed to this post "to blame for everything". You can survive this, and at the same time help the allies figure out who paid for what during the riots and for what purpose! To help expel part of the mattress-like to a decent amount. Restore industrial relations at least a little, at least in terms of shoe business! Well, maybe there it will begin to improve at least something with the Allies ?!
  37. Opera
    Opera April 24 2018 20: 39
    +1
    KaPToC,
    Do you know who actually came to power in Armenia now ?! Do you know what slogans these opposition associations and not only the Elk have ?! Do you know about their relationship with infinite claims to Russia ?! I asked you a question - where are the meetings against such actions ?! Where is the fraternal Armenian people now ?! Where is the large Armenian diaspora both in Russia and abroad ?! What are you offering to Russia ?! American missiles and Armenia ?! Nuuuuu ...) This is in turn for Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova ... This is the "honorable" right of Armenia just so our brothers will not give up!)
    1. genisis
      genisis April 24 2018 21: 10
      +1
      Oper, you have such a nickname that obliges you to be in the subject, and you smack nonsense. What makes you think that the Elk came to power?!? And about. Prime Minister, and this head of the executive branch, K. Karapetyan, has nothing to do with Elk. Soon no one will remember Pashinyan. The people did not follow him, but against Sargsyan. The fight against Sargsyan is the only thing that led the people. The remaining attempts of Pashinyan are not interesting to 99% of the residents of the Republic of Armenia. In fact, after the resignation of Sargsyan, no reformatting of authority took place. No revolutionary changes. What is being broadcast in the Russian Federation, including by you, regarding the events in Armenia, cannot be called anything other than wild, unbridled and primitive hype.
      1. Opera
        Opera April 24 2018 21: 21
        +1
        What kind of rude people are in discussion today ?! "... smash nonsense ... primitive hype ..." Follow the "broadcast further." From Armenia ... Here's how to end and discuss! Unfortunately, I don’t think that after that you will have a desire to make me a claim. Glad to be mistaken, but ...
        1. genisis
          genisis April 24 2018 21: 40
          +1
          Glad to be mistaken, but ...

          Yes, you have so much with great pleasure in a heap of your comments sussed over the sad development of events for Armenia, that I hardly believe that you will be glad to make a mistake.
          Stay tuned for more. From Armenia...

          Yes, I must confess honestly to the "broadcast" the matter, as in that proverb: "The dog barks, the wind carries, the caravan goes." Unlike you, I have much more information directly from the scene.
          1. Opera
            Opera April 24 2018 21: 56
            0
            You know, the Russian language is generally rich in proverbs and sayings. Including quite sharp. However, to answer rudeness to rudeness is the destiny of the finished hamla! I clearly explain ?! If all these events, as you deigned to say, were not led by opposition associations known for their anti-Russian actions, if all this has nothing to do with the people, and the Pashinyans just wandered around the streets, that's good! It’s just that some here are urging someone to save and somewhere to immediately intervene ... I, like you, also think that this absolutely does not need to be done! Especially since nothing happened huh?) Why are you so nervous? And yet, if you read carefully, you probably could not understand my words, the fate of Armenia is the business of the Armenians, and above all their responsibility. No need to fantasize! Or do you disagree?
            1. genisis
              genisis April 24 2018 22: 01
              +1
              The fate of Armenia is the business of the Armenians and, above all, their responsibility.

              Or do you disagree?

              Yes, these are golden words.
              And if the Armenians ever become stupid as much as the Ukrainians in their choice, then this will be a fatal mistake for them.
              However, knowing the mood from the inside, I sincerely believe that such a fatal mistake will not come. All Pashinyans and other scum "liberal", but really just wanting to cash in, will go into oblivion, and Armenia together with Russia will continue to flourish. And I also know that such a worldview prevails in Armenia. Therefore, I take it to heart.
              1. Opera
                Opera April 24 2018 22: 18
                0
                Well, see! Just read carefully. Emotion is a bad adviser. Let's hope that the error does not happen! In any case, this is the choice of the Armenians themselves, and the consequences are just the result of this choice! What does Russia have to do with it? Armenians choose Armenians and live ...
              2. ccsr
                ccsr April 25 2018 12: 01
                0
                Quote: genisis
                All Pashinyans and other scum are “liberal”, but really just wanting to cash in, will go into oblivion,

                Freshly legend ... You apparently forgot that we have already passed this in Ukraine, and made the appropriate conclusions.
                1. genisis
                  genisis April 25 2018 14: 55
                  0
                  You apparently didn’t understand that it was not for you to draw conclusions.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr April 25 2018 18: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: genisis
                    You apparently didn’t understand that it was not for you to draw conclusions.

                    On this site, they told you directly in person what they think about you and your fellow tribesmen. So I did not draw conclusions - I made them back in the seventies, when I saw Armenia firsthand - but those who wrote their opinion on the current situation. And it turned out to be unpleasant for you, and therefore it infuriated you, because apparently there is a proverb for good reason - though it hurts the eyes ...
                    1. genisis
                      genisis April 25 2018 22: 12
                      0
                      and therefore it infuriated you

                      Funny.
                      Are you really wasting emotions communicating on the internet?
                      The fact that you write that you do not like the Armenians, Azerbaijanis and someone else is really really your problem. Because they are the same citizens of Russia, like you. With equal rights, equal opportunities, equal responsibility. The quality of a citizen for his country does not depend on his nationality, but on personal qualities and character traits. Governor Khoroshavin may be the last bastard from the point of view of Russian state interests, and David Huseynovich Pashayev is incredibly useful to Russia.
                      Therefore, your and your fellow tribesmen thinking about anything can please / upset / infuriate / endear only yourself.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr April 26 2018 11: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: genisis
                        The fact that you write that you do not like the Armenians, Azerbaijanis and someone else is really really your problem.

                        This is not only my problem - read the answers of most other authors, and you will understand that they care about it just like me.


                        Quote: genisis
                        and therefore it infuriated you

                        Funny.
                        Are you really wasting emotions communicating on the internet?

                        Not quite like that - I’m trying to expose the lies of people like you, who, under the guise of responsibility of Russian people to the national minorities of Transcaucasia, are trying to impose on us unfavorable economic relations for Russia.
                      2. genisis
                        genisis April 27 2018 07: 44
                        0
                        This is a problem personally for you and other commentators here, not here and everywhere, anywhere, as I repeat to you again, my citizenship of the Russian Federation is no different from yours. And if you do not like the fact that we are of different nationalities, then this is exclusively your problem, and not mine at all.
                        Secondly, no one talks about the responsibility of Russian people to anyone. No one speaks about Russianness at all. It is about the state of the Russian Federation. Plurinational State of. And if you can easily limit your personal responsibility to the bed of your spouse, for example, then the responsibility of the state extends much wider.
  38. Borders
    Borders April 24 2018 20: 52
    +2
    strange .. no one talks about the article itself (and the author’s conclusions), but they discuss the Armenians. If on the topic, then the author is right in this: "... Azerbaijan is interested in the shortest ways to export its hydrocarbons. And they go away from Russia. Azerbaijan sees Turkey as a senior and more successful brother, whose ties are historically very strong. ... And we will never make a real ally out of him .... "(c)
  39. already a Muscovite
    already a Muscovite April 24 2018 20: 54
    +2
    Everything is far-fetched ... In the Caucasus, no one already has an ally, these are Georgians. They do not need Armenia as such, a conflict. A pretty one, a hot conflict with which it will be possible to set fire to the entire region. And the more the fire breaks out, the better.
    1. Opera
      Opera April 24 2018 21: 25
      0
      Of course. Moreover, the conflict with Azerbaijan is frozen and the Russian base ... Where have we gone through this already? Georgia say ...
      1. genisis
        genisis April 24 2018 21: 42
        +1
        Moreover, the conflict with Azerbaijan is frozen and the Russian base ...

        Azerbaijan has a conflict with the Republic of Artsakh, and not with Armenia, in which the Russian base is located. You did not pass it?
        1. Opera
          Opera April 24 2018 22: 22
          0
          I have nothing to add to the above! We have a lot that took place recently! More than I would like!
        2. Rostislav Mikhailovich
          Rostislav Mikhailovich 20 May 2018 00: 59
          0
          The conflict between Azerbaijan and the Republic of Artsakh, but not with Armenia

          lol My friend, did you seriously write this or did you want to soften the situation?
  40. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 April 24 2018 22: 55
    +2
    Quote: genisis
    Moreover, the conflict with Azerbaijan is frozen and the Russian base ...

    Azerbaijan has a conflict with the Republic of Artsakh, and not with Armenia, in which the Russian base is located. You did not pass it?

    Oh well)) The conflict, then with 100 thousand. Nagorno-Karabakh ??
    Well, well ... But is it nothing that more than 90% of the dead Armenian soldiers during the last April events are military personnel from Armenia itself?
    http://newsarmenia.am/news/nagorno_karabakh/minis
    terstvo-oborony-armenii-publikuet-imena-pogibshik
    hv-karabakhe-armyanskikh-voennosluzhashchikh- /
    1. genisis
      genisis April 24 2018 23: 30
      +1
      Imagine. If Azerbaijan cannot cope with 100 Artsakh in any way, is it worth your president to remember Yerevan in vain?
      And the guys who died in April, they have dual citizenship, like all people with Armenian passports. That is why they died defending their homeland. And Azerbaijan has never fought with Armenia. And will not be. Armenia is not the first to attack Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan in its right mind will not want to test for itself how the Collective Security Treaty works. And it’s not an hour, they can force the world. So it remains for wide-walking Azerbaijan to lose battle after battle to the XNUMXth population of Artsakh.
    2. Borders
      Borders 20 May 2018 18: 37
      0
      Dyk more than half of those killed in Azerbaijan in the 9th war against the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh) are Chechens, Ingush, Afghans, Ukrainians, Turks. So what ?
  41. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 April 25 2018 03: 18
    +2
    Quote: genisis
    Imagine. If Azerbaijan cannot cope with 100 Artsakh in any way, is it worth your president to remember Yerevan in vain?
    And the guys who died in April, they have dual citizenship, like all people with Armenian passports. That is why they died defending their homeland. And Azerbaijan has never fought with Armenia. And will not be. Armenia is not the first to attack Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan in its right mind will not want to test for itself how the Collective Security Treaty works. And it’s not an hour, they can force the world. So it remains for wide-walking Azerbaijan to lose battle after battle to the XNUMXth population of Artsakh.

    Paphos, Genezis, pathos. Pathos will destroy you Armenians, tearful pathos and immoderate ambitiousness, i.e. appetite is not in size. By the way, Once already ruined. You celebrated yesterday. Inability to properly evaluate their place. Here Kuzovkov correctly assessed the place and function of Armenia: How is it: Pawn?)) Armenia has more and more new “flattering” epithets awarded by the Russians: She was an outpost, a walking wife or a mistress leaving for a rich hahal too, an aircraft carrier, and now a pawn) C who Azerbaijan does not cope with is well known. Armenia has already attacked Azerbaijan and is holding its troops in Karabakh, which we are gradually (for now) reducing. Although you have such a mess in the army, you will shoot yourself there before us. Every day your MO reports: either your soldier is an officer, then an officer of a soldier dries, drowns, hangs himself, etc.

    Yes, this is something new - dual citizenship)) Pure armenian radio. Honestly, I like Genesis Armenian humor. He is unpretentious, dull, but the craftiness is felt.
    We continue: Azerbaijan does not cope not with this poor education, and not with Armenia .... In my opinion, everyone understands this except you. Although, probably, even you understand this, you need to keep the brand) Well, pathos) But the rest of the Armenians (sane) seem to understand:
    Edmon Vardanyan “If we don’t be with them, they will eat us,” Sedrakyan predicted ... after the year 91, what happened? They won in Karabakh, but who kept it? If there were no Russians, how would we keep Karabakh? Our army held back with the help of the Russians. If there were no Russians, how would we conquer Karabakh? ” - Sedrakyan explained.
    http://armtoday.info/default.asp?Lang=_Ru&New
    sID = 121746
    1. Borders
      Borders 20 May 2018 18: 39
      0
      "... Armenia has already attacked Azerbaijan and is holding its troops in Karabakh ..."
      what are you smoking on Absheron? Or do you have something added to tea?
  42. Abrascha
    Abrascha April 25 2018 05: 30
    +3
    Just like an old Jew I want to notice. All that is happening now on the borders of Russia is the consequences of the short-sightedness and sluggish policy of the Kremlin, its half-hearted and not decisive actions. If in the war 08,08,08 they took Tiflis, caught Mishiko and cut off his head (it could have played football with her), now they would have had no problems with Ukraine. If by the end of this year the Kremlin cannot solve the issue with Ukraine in the most favorable way for itself, Kazakhstan and almost all of Central Asia will blaze, and then the situation in Armenia will seem like a small garbage. in Armenia, with the exception of troops, there are practically no Russians. But in Asia and especially in Kazakhstan, there are several million more left from the time of the Union. And here’s how the Kazakhs and others will begin to cut them stupidly, then we’ll see what the Kremlin is ready to go for, for the sake of protecting the Russian people. True, there is an opinion that the Kremlin will once again declare that these are not Russian citizens and that it does not concern them. Well then, in this case, it will be another yet another betrayal of Russian people by Russia. In principle, nothing new and unusual.)))
    1. Dry
      Dry April 28 2018 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: Abrascha
      Just like an old Jew I want to notice.

      For an old Jew, you are too bloodthirsty.
      1. Borders
        Borders 2 May 2018 12: 06
        +1
        from a Jew he only has an avatar))))
  43. icant007
    icant007 April 25 2018 12: 45
    +3
    Quote: genisis
    And Azerbaijan never fought with Armenia

    Yes hello. And the constant shelling and attacks on Azerbaijani villages along the entire length of the border since 1989? And the tragedy of Baganiz-Ayrum? March 90, if memory serves.
    Say again Cavture propaganda? Or type yourself?
    1. genisis
      genisis April 25 2018 22: 23
      0
      Once again, for those who can not read. Armenia and Azerbaijan are not at war. Azerbaijan has a conflict with the Republic of Artsakh. And the fact that the Azerbaijani army periodically shells the Tavush marz of Armenia is already the cost of the ardent Azerbaijani mentality.
      1. icant007
        icant007 April 26 2018 07: 42
        +2
        I answered the statement
        Quote: genisis
        And Azerbaijan never fought with Armenia

        And he talked about the period from 1988 to the armistice of 1994. I read what you wrote.
        You have now recovered and wrote in the present tense:
        Quote: genisis
        Armenia and Azerbaijan are not at war. Azerbaijan has a conflict with the Republic of Artsakh.

        And you have a strange position on Karabakh. It’s yours, it’s not yours. Some kind of strange national unity. You have now decided to abandon the Karabakh Armenians.
        Apparently, a civil war is still awaiting Armenia.
        And as for the shelling of the Tavush marz - this is the territory of Azerbaijan occupied by Armenia. Restore previous borders and no one will shoot.
        1. genisis
          genisis April 27 2018 07: 51
          0
          Artsakh is certainly Armenian. The Republic of Armenia supports the Armenians of the Artsakh Republic in their confrontation with Azerbaijan. But the Republic of Armenia itself does not fight with Azerbaijan.
          As for the fact that the Tavush Marz is the territory of Azerbaijan. Andrei, is it really so difficult to open a map and see what is being discussed so as not to sit in a puddle?
          1. icant007
            icant007 April 27 2018 08: 22
            +1
            You didn’t say anything about Baganiz-Ayrum to me, but turned the arrows.
            I didn’t look at the map very much, I looked around. I thought that you are responding in the manner of lies and misinformation that is characteristic of you, and therefore reacted in this way.
            You are actively engaged in misinformation here, I am fighting with you with your own weapons.
            The main thing is to blame, is not it?
            And what does Armenian Karabakh mean? And the conflict between Karabakh and Azerbaijan? The conflict is actually between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed territories, including Karabakh.
            1. genisis
              genisis April 27 2018 09: 29
              0
              About Baganiz-Ayrum, I did not answer you, because I do not own the subject.
              About the lies and misinformation from me personally, I can’t recall this. Are you trying to transfer to me some kind of collective responsibility for a manner peculiar to someone? I am personally responsible.
              Therefore, I can conduct a dialogue with you only on my behalf.
              As for the armed conflict between the Republic of Artsakh and Azerbaijan. From my point of view, Azerbaijan in 1991 decided to force the NKAR Armenians to be part of the Republic of Azerbaijan by force. Did not work out. Signed a ceasefire agreement with the Republic of Artsakh. Today it continues to be in armed confrontation with the Republic of Artsakh. The Republic of Armenia supports the Armenians of the Artsakh in this confrontation with Azerbaijan. However, there are no hostilities between the Republic of Armenia and Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan periodically shells the territory of the Republic of Armenia directly from small arms, trying to demonstrate that it has a conflict with Armenia too.
              1. icant007
                icant007 April 27 2018 11: 45
                0
                Around the Karabakh conflict there are a lot of insinuations on both sides. When covering the events of those years, one must strive for objectivity and not act voluntarily or involuntarily within the framework of anti-Azerbaijani or anti-Armenian propaganda.
                And here, judging by the information in the media, Azerbaijan alone is to blame for the conflict.
                Any attempts to intercede for Baku immediately result in accusations of anti-Armenian propaganda.
                Despite the obvious humanitarian benefit, the 1994 ceasefire agreement was technically more profitable for the Artsakh leadership because it de facto secured the disputed territory of Karabakh for Armenia.
                If the war continued, then Azerbaijan would sooner or later return Karabakh to its jurisdiction. Another question is what sacrifices would have to be made.
                The loss of Karabakh by Azerbaijan in the initial period of the conflict was caused by the unwillingness to confront the information company of the Armenian nationalists and the armed groups of the Armenian militants.
                But in 1992, after receiving weapons from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR and the beginning of the active creation of the Azerbaijani armed forces, the situation began to change. If earlier the Armenian militants were opposed mainly by units of the Soviet Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who, so that they wouldn’t speak there, refrained from offensive actions, mainly protecting Azerbaijani villages, now Azerbaijan was able to independently conduct operations, including offensive ones. But at that time, the Azerbaijani army was not ready to reverse the nature of the war in its favor. The conflict began to acquire a bloody and protracted character. And in this situation, a ceasefire agreement became a sensible decision.
                What is the military potential of Azerbaijan now? Theoretically higher. But I think sane people have no desire to check it.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr April 26 2018 11: 52
        +2
        Quote: genisis
        Once again, for those who can not read. Armenia and Azerbaijan are not at war. Azerbaijan has a conflict with the Republic of Artsakh. And the fact that the Azerbaijani army periodically shells the Tavush marz of Armenia is already the cost of the ardent Azerbaijani mentality.

        But what matters to us, what is going on there? Fight for health - you need something from Russia, contact, but, as the famous book said, "money forward." We are not going to pay for your showdown - I hope this does not humiliate your sensitive souls?
        1. genisis
          genisis April 27 2018 07: 46
          0
          No, it will not humiliate. Everyone will pay for everything. You can already exhale and calm down.
  44. Vlaleks48
    Vlaleks48 April 25 2018 14: 48
    +1
    Once again we lost and we lost completely!
    And this, not the cries of "chef, everything is gone!"
    But having such a diaspora in Russia, in the political and economic field, lose!?!
    This, pure betrayal, tongue-tied PMA did not give a lesson, what next ?!
    Two and a half thousand agents in Armenia !?
    !!!
  45. Brigadier
    Brigadier April 26 2018 14: 25
    0
    Now we have Ukrainian banderlogs, soon there will be Armenian banderlogs, and Russia, in the face of the "guarantor" and its henchmen at the top, everything lets in and out the "representatives" of these "friendly countries" to itself and conducts a more than liberal policy towards them ...
    It seems that our leaders in the current situation with Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia and other countries still can’t change their mindset and continue to think in the old way, if only their salary goes a lot, and then it burns with blue fire. What are they afraid of? They have everything abroad. If it’s blazing here, they’ll quickly lubricate the skies there, and we will stay here ...
    Personally, I voted for Grudinin in the elections, and now more and more convinced that I did the right thing!
  46. ccsr
    ccsr April 27 2018 14: 29
    +1
    Quote: genisis
    This is a problem personally for you and other commentators here, not here and everywhere, anywhere, as I repeat to you again, my citizenship of the Russian Federation is no different from yours. And if you do not like the fact that we are of different nationalities, then this is exclusively your problem, and not mine at all.
    Secondly, no one talks about the responsibility of Russian people to anyone. No one speaks about Russianness at all. It is about the state of the Russian Federation. Plurinational State of. And if you can easily limit your personal responsibility to the bed of your spouse, for example, then the responsibility of the state extends much wider.

    The problem is not that you are of a different nationality, there are many such citizens in Russia, but that people like you come and get Russian citizenship not because they want to become full-fledged citizens of our country, but because of mercantile considerations, and while you don’t want to adapt to our society, often having dual citizenship. The fact that those who work here are paying off in Armenia so as not to go to fight for Karabakh, I know firsthand - fate brought together one such "defender", he periodically had to go there, even though he made money in Moscow.
    1. genisis
      genisis April 27 2018 17: 14
      0
      Something you are lucky constantly to stay in some garbage. Then instead of brandy, the swill gets, then instead of normal people, you rub with some kind of crook. Apparently the matter is in you.
      As for what people like me do, here you are again past. Back in 1982, I came to the Far North. There he received Russian citizenship at the time of the collapse of the Union, simultaneously with you. Adapted to Russian society no less than yours. Moreover, I am an integral part of this society. Therefore, I always dislike chauvinistic arrogant people.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 27 2018 21: 01
        +1
        Quote: genisis
        Back in 1982, I came to the Far North.

        You are lucky - our North has made another person of you. But this does not mean that all immigrants from the Caucasus are like you. On the contrary, as life after the collapse of the USSR showed, those who came to us from there later had other qualities that were unacceptable to us, which many people have pointed out to you besides me. So the point is not in my "chauvinism and arrogance", but in the behavior of your countrymen in our country - but you will never recognize this.
        1. genisis
          genisis April 27 2018 21: 52
          -1
          You are mistaken again.
          I know perfectly and firsthand about the impudence of my fellow countrymen, as well as a greater number of other national minorities. For example, in the glorious city of Kislovodsk you can meet greyhounds Armenians, greyhounds of Karachais, greyhounds of the Circassians and some other greyhounds.
          Full of greyhound Georgians, Azerbaijanis, greyhound Chechens, Ingush and Yakuts. Met greyhound Ossetians, greyhound Tatars and greyhound Buryats. Least of all met Russian greyhounds. But the boiling of indignant chauvinism, they say all Armenians such / such also annoys me. Not all. Many bring tangible benefits to the country of which they are citizens. And for me, today, Russia is my native country. And I am no less infuriated than you by the ponty, dim-witted personalities who are trying to stir up water in Armenia now. But, again, not all people are the same. You indiscriminately row everyone under one comb, saying that all Armenians need only one thing from Russia. But my uncle and brother from Russia do not need anything at all, except for spare parts for equipment. They live in Armenia, they are building, they are engaged in agricultural work, they do not want to leave energy anywhere. They just want to live better, just like you and me.
          PS You wrote about the "protector" of Karabakh, who met you. And I met a lot of the same “defenders” in 94 during the first Chechen one. And they were not diasporal nationalities. But my opinion about the Russian boys is made up of people like Yura Prischepnoy, and not the biomass, which is rampant.
  47. turbris
    turbris April 30 2018 18: 40
    0
    Probably those who went to the square with protests were not only oriented toward the West, although anti-Russian slogans sounded to the general noise, but they did not like the existing government, which thought more about itself than about the people. Armenia is a small country and everything is visible there, so this is primarily the defeat of the ruling elite of Armenia, and not Russia. But the fact is that the nomination of leaders at the request of the crowd in the square has never led to good results. Let's see what will happen next!
  48. Tengri Warrior
    Tengri Warrior 20 July 2018 12: 55
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    There is also a downside: if the Americans become stronger in Armenia, their aircraft can already use the airspace of Transcaucasia to enter the Caspian Sea and, from there, for a hypothetical attack on Iran, whose northern coast is traditionally less protected than the border with Iraq and Iran coast of the Persian Gulf. Our own southern frontiers will be vulnerable too.


    Bullshit, sorry my jacket! Where did the Armenians get access to the Caspian Sea? And secondly, even if, purely hypothetically, the United States wants to attack Iran, it will do so on the part of B. Vostok, through the Strait, etc. etc. Why invent a new Armenia when they already came up with B.Vostok? This is just a baseless excess of the significance of Armenia for us.
    Stop hyperbolizing this legally incompetent country that sits firmly on Russia's neck.

    Alas, this is also a very short-sighted look at the problem. Azerbaijan is interested in the shortest ways to export its hydrocarbons. And they go away from Russia. Azerbaijan sees Turkey as an older and more successful brother, whose ties are historically very strong. Azerbaijan, it must be admitted, has achieved too much on its own to rush recklessly into the arms of its northern neighbor.

    And Azerbaijan is already exporting its hydrocarbons, without us or with us. So this option disappears. Well so it’s great that Azerbaijan achieved everything independently, unlike Armenia, which as an infantile child sits and dreams of heavenly manna, which Russia is “obliged” to pour on the head of Armenians.
    Better is a fully-fledged, solvent and maskless Azerbaijan than a poor, impoverished Armenia in all aspects, which also has 100 masks.
    And we will never make a true ally out of it.

    And then from the alliance of Armenia we are right in heaven. Bend your finger and list at least one positive step from our alliance. At least one! Well, what has Armenia given as an ally to us for this entire period? Maybe sent an army to Syria? Maybe technology helped?
    Look at the composition of the Armenian government, that is, at the offspring of Soros and the CIA, and everything will become clear what kind of ally we have. An empty can, not an ally, and never will be! Since they need our army and our alliance, so as not to get into the slap for their outrage.
    But will we really get better?

    Yes, it will!
    But on this point there are big doubts ...

    Your right! And I personally have doubts about your sincerity and not bias.