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The Arctic is “stitched” with fiber optic cables

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The Russian military department began preparations for laying a transarctic communication line in the interests of fleet and coastal forces, report News.


The Arctic is “stitched” with fiber optic cables


A new fiber-optic line will begin in Severomorsk, pass through Anadyr, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and end in Vladivostok. It will expand the operational management capabilities of the Russian Navy. The cables will be in the area of ​​responsibility of the two fleets - the Northern and Pacific.

“The line of length 12,7 thousand km is conditionally divided into two parts - the Arctic and the Far East. The length of the first will be about 5,7 thousand. Km, the second - 7 thousand. When laying the line equip segments of several types: non-broadcast, with underwater repeaters and with laser pumping to enhance the luminous flux. The application of one technology or another will depend on the relief and hydrogeological situation. A prerequisite for the equipment used and the optical fiber is resistance at extremely low temperatures, ”the newspaper writes, citing the Ministry of Defense.

In real time, it will be possible to monitor the operational situation from Norway to China. If stationary hydroacoustic complexes for underwater lighting are connected to such a line, then an object found, say, in the Arctic Ocean, will immediately become known in Vladivostok, Severomorsk and Moscow. Such a telecommunications system will seriously increase the effectiveness of land and fleet management,
told the publication of military expert Dmitry Boltenkov.

For underwater work, special cable vessels of the Volga and Vyatka class will be used. They are currently being completed at the Zaliv plant in Kerch. According to preliminary data, the Volga is scheduled to be commissioned in 2019 year, Vyatka - a year later.
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  1. igorka357
    igorka357 April 23 2018 11: 22
    +9
    Yes, right away, give the coordinates, what is already there ... you damn the crew of the ships name by the surname .. and all the experts involved in this .... their families, and place of residence !!! Spies do not sleep gentlemen moderators !!!!
    1. VeteR_2
      VeteR_2 April 23 2018 11: 23
      +1
      And where does the moderators? They didn’t come up with the news.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2018 11: 29
        +9
        In real time it will be possible to track the operational situation from Norway to China

        Ay, well done, our Kulibins .. How long have we dreamed about such a communication system, since the days of the USSR ..!
        Now the Arctic is OUR! soldier
        Quote: igorka357
        damn you still call the crews of the ships .. and all the experts involved in this .... their families, and place of residence !!! Spies do not sleep gentlemen moderators !!!!

        Well, okay, NATO already knows, and the news is just a balm for the soul .. But then silence, what and how!
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain April 23 2018 12: 25
          +4
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Well, okay, NATO already knows, and the news is just a balm for the soul .. But then silence, what and how!

          Vital a little tar all the same in a barrel of honey capna
          For underwater work, special cable vessels of the Volga and Vyatka class will be used. They are currently being completed at the Zaliv plant in Kerch. According to preliminary data, the Volga is scheduled to be commissioned in 2019 year, Vyatka - a year later.

          Look at the terms 2019-2020 and if there is no shift as always to the right, then there is no money, then something went wrong, then they will start laying the cable at the end of the 20th and beginning of 2021, how much they will pull the cable when they surrender, then only God knows request Well, as for who knows, does not know, so whoever is supposed to, he knows where our cables are laid and where their cables are laid. yes
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2018 12: 37
            +2
            Quote: vovanpain
            Vital a little tar all the same in a barrel of honey capna

            You Vladimir learned unambiguously from tar to throw in the direction of Russia .. heh heh
            Well, okay, well done too, so that people like me wouldn’t shout too much .. soldier hi laughing
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 April 24 2018 06: 12
        +1
        And who checks the article .. laughing ?
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 23 2018 11: 33
      +4
      Do you think that if the moderator does not post the news on VO, then no one in the world will know about this? winked Moreover, local users for any news always require: "Detailed information in the studio !!!"
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 24 2018 06: 13
        0
        Here it is .. everyone thinks so, and everyone places .. laughing
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 24 2018 09: 49
          0
          Quote: igorka357
          Here it is .. everyone thinks so, and everyone places .. laughing

          And enemy intelligence only obtains information from an Internet? Before you post data, you need to get it from somewhere. And if this data has already gone beyond those who are supposed to know about it, then they will be known to adversaries even without placement.
    3. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 23 2018 11: 44
      +1
      Quote: igorka357
      Yes, right away, give the coordinates, what is already there ... you damn the crews of the ships still name them .. and all the experts involved in this ...
      This is yes, something has warped slightly ... what Well, with regards to the names, I think there Rostelecom and Domru will be laid. laughing
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 April 23 2018 12: 15
        +5
        Quote: NIKNN
        there Rostelecom and Domru will be laid. laughing

        These are not allowed there - they will start cutting each other's cables. laughing And so the MO has a permanent contractor, called Voentelecom.
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN April 23 2018 12: 23
          +1
          Quote: Paranoid50
          Voentelekom is called.

          I really didn’t know. what
    4. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener April 23 2018 11: 51
      +3
      And then they will not know that we are laying the cable. They will puzzle why this vessel cable-laying machine unwinds some cable in the Arctic. They will think for a long time, but they will never guess. Secrecy is certainly needed, but everything needs to know the measure. So that there is no situation that has been mentioned here many times. When foreign military magazines were under special clearance because there are photographs and the alleged performance characteristics of Soviet technology that are secret.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 23 2018 13: 29
        +4
        Quote: Servisinzhener
        And then they will not know that we are laying the cable. They will puzzle why this vessel cable-laying machine unwinds some cable in the Arctic. They will think for a long time, but they will never guess. Secrecy is certainly needed, but everything needs to know the measure. So that there is no situation that has been mentioned here many times. When foreign military magazines were under special clearance because there are photographs and the alleged performance characteristics of Soviet technology that are secret.

        We have enough of our enemies. A few days ago, in the Yaroslavl region, a fiber optic plant that worked on defense orders was cut off for debts to a gas supplier. The plant is stopped until the debt is paid. Did he prepare products for the Arctic? Maybe mattresses have the ability to influence at the level of the general director who, having created a debt, stopped the work of the plant in the interests of the "customer".
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener April 23 2018 14: 35
          +1
          Can. But most likely much more prosaic. With stupid stuffing money in his pocket and a set of loans for the property of the plant. Foreign intelligence does not need to strain when there are so many effective managers in the country.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 April 24 2018 08: 32
            +2
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            We have enough of our enemies. A few days ago, in the Yaroslavl region, a fiber optic plant that worked on defense orders was cut off for debts to a gas supplier. The plant is stopped until the debt is paid. Did he prepare products for the Arctic? Maybe mattresses have the ability to influence at the level of the general director who, having created a debt, stopped the work of the plant in the interests of the "customer".

            Quote: Servisinzhener
            Can. But most likely much more prosaic. With stupid stuffing money in his pocket and a set of loans for the property of the plant. Foreign intelligence does not need to strain when there are so many effective managers in the country.

            I think that in this case both of you are right. Maybe both the first and second situation, or both at once. Ehehe, as the huntsman Kuzmich said - "in Russia, there are a hundred years in reserve." And I.A. Krylov noted - "the helpful d * p * k is more dangerous than the enemy."
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 April 24 2018 06: 15
          0
          Yes, what are you .. wink , this can’t be, all the intelligence services of the world are fools, our acre esstessno .. laughing
  2. Bronevick
    Bronevick April 23 2018 11: 24
    0
    In the GDR, all Soviet lines were tapped. Near Moscow, MI-6 is still listening to all government cables. These are no exception.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 23 2018 11: 31
      +5
      Well, it was in Neznansky or Poplar’s ​​books
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 23 2018 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: Bronevick
      In the GDR, all Soviet lines were tapped. Near Moscow, MI-6 is still listening to all government cables. These are no exception.

      With wired lines you can listen. Remove from them with the help of external sensors. With fiber optics, this is much more difficult. You need to crash directly into the cable, which will be immediately noticed ..
      1. Seld
        Seld April 25 2018 13: 40
        0
        "that will be immediately noticed" - Almost YOUR TRUTH ... Almost ...
        Read on the Internet a story about the American IvyBels project. In the framework of this project, Americans from special submarines stuck to two underwater copper cables of the USSR Ministry of Defense in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk (if memory serves, the MKM-1 and MKM-2 cables). History of about 70s. It also tells how these listening “suckers” were discovered (by accident ...).
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 25 2018 17: 22
          0
          Quote: seld
          Americans from a special submarine stuck to two underwater copper cables of the USSR Ministry of Defense in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk

          You are trying to refute me with my own statements. Read my post again. What did I write about? Just about the differences between wired (copper, in your opinion) and fiber-optic communication lines.
    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2018 11: 36
      +2
      Quote: Bronevick
      Near Moscow, MI-6 is still listening to all government cables.

      laughing .. YES THEY walked around the Kremlin and our instructions were given in the 90s .. hehe
      And if everyone listened, then Skripal’s business, etc. they wouldn’t like it, but they simply fucked and hollowed us with facts .. They don’t have anything on us! bully
    4. Ren
      Ren April 23 2018 11: 40
      +4
      Quote: Bronevick
      In the GDR, all Soviet lines were tapped. Near Moscow, MI-6 is still listening to all government cables. These are no exception.

      You are tormented by listening to optics, especially if the communication channels are encrypted hi
      And attempts to remove from the fiber are detected quite trivially.
      The enemy can have only a destructive effect (damage) on the fiber optic link.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 24 2018 06: 19
        0
        That’s what I’m talking about, and also the bribery of specialists, technicians .. arranging sabotage during the work ... The Americans have thought about the Arctic now .. they will slow down our development there, by all available means ...
    5. Galleon
      Galleon April 23 2018 11: 40
      +4
      Come on, tell me more about the methods of "listening" to optics? .. Yes, and even near Moscow! You can’t. Because they froze, sir, gracious sovereign.
      1. Ren
        Ren April 24 2018 06: 55
        0
        Quote: Galleon
        Come on, tell me more about the methods of "listening" to optics? .. Yes, and even near Moscow! You can’t. Because they froze, sir, gracious sovereign.

        You can take a signal from a fiber in several ways:
        1. By analogy with SORM (implementation in conjunction with the agro-industrial complex Sormovich, Omega, etc.). Those. in the gap of the optical line with the help of splitters the signal is removed in both directions.
        2. The fibers are cleaned and bent, an optical signal is taken at the bend.
        Both methods allow you to remove the optical signal, but do not allow access to the channel (especially if it is encrypted). If the traffic is not encrypted, then you will simply receive a bunch of packets / frames (anyone who knows satellite fishing will understand) lol
        With any of the methods, these effects are detected by a trivial simple reflectometer, not to mention the communication lines of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Security Service, the Ministry of Defense and other special services - there the lines automatically control the parameters of the transmission medium, and any effect is displayed almost instantly with the corresponding reaction. hi
    6. Yura
      Yura April 23 2018 12: 41
      0
      Quote: Bronevick
      In the GDR, all Soviet lines were tapped.

      It certainly was, and how to read:
      In London on December 15, 17 and 18, 1953, secret joint meetings of representatives of the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States and the Secret Intelligence Service of Great Britain took place. It was decided to lay a tunnel to the communication lines of the Soviet troops and the communication lines of the GDR. The meeting was attended by Deputy Head of Division "Y" George Blake, who was one of the most valuable agents of Soviet intelligence [2]. Blake handed over the minutes of top-secret meetings to S. Kondrashev, the acting KGB resident in London. When in Moscow they received his report [3] on the tunnel, the task of ensuring Blake’s security became central to the leadership of the KGB. It was decided that the Soviet side would pretend that it did not know about the operation of the Western special services and would transmit secondary information and misinformation via cable [4].

      It took almost a year and a half to create a tunnel, install equipment, and connect to a communication cable. Tunnel construction costs totaled $ 6 million. On May 11, 1955, the CIA began to continuously listen to talks between Soviet military and East German ministers. A total of 443 thousand negotiations were recorded, of which 386 thousand were Soviet and 75 thousand were East German. They formed the basis of 1750 reconnaissance reports [5].
    7. Starik72
      Starik72 April 23 2018 12: 55
      0
      Ruslan. Please tell me what ZAS is and what it serves for; if you do not know, then remove your comment and do not disgrace.
  3. Chertt
    Chertt April 23 2018 11: 39
    0
    For underwater work, special cable vessels of the Volga and Vyatka class will be used. They are now being completed at the Zeriv plant in Kerch

    The capacities of the Crimean and Sevastopol enterprises, of course, are very welcome. How much is needed there
  4. Lerych
    Lerych April 23 2018 11: 57
    +2
    The main thing is that we wouldn’t have paved like in Norilsk. In the fall, FOCL launched five cliffs during the winter.%)
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 April 23 2018 12: 20
      +1
      Quote: Lerych
      .Autumn FOCL launched five cliffs during the winter.%)

      Well, that's the norm. In our area (St. Petersburg), the same garbage was at first, after connecting. About two or three months, then everything returned to normal. Now everything is functioning without failures.
  5. Tarasve
    Tarasve April 23 2018 12: 21
    0
    What kind of secrecy are you talking about? These cables on the cards will be marked so that they do not catch anchors.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 April 24 2018 06: 22
      0
      Yeah, and the secret cables of government communications, too ... well, whatever excavators dig up ... what nonsense you carried! It's not a telephone cable to you ... laughing There is still laying!
  6. rrrd
    rrrd April 23 2018 12: 43
    +1
    Who is special? Explain why communication cables, provincial cables? there is satellite communication, etc.
    1. Lerych
      Lerych April 23 2018 13: 09
      +1
      The satellite channel is quite narrow. The transmission speed is not high. With current information flows, it’s not at all cool.
      1. T.Henks
        T.Henks April 23 2018 15: 23
        0
        For uncles it is necessary to give comparative figures. The satellite channel in one trunk is 10 Mbit, it will Ethernet at a regular port to an apartment of 100 Mbit, and a 4K movie if only one is watched in the district. One bourgeois from the NSA said that all traffic in the world is 98% boys and girls from the picture, and less than 0.5% is worthy of information. If they don’t chase the VKS in MO without a break - that's enough.
  7. Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 April 23 2018 13: 13
    0
    Well, that's great!
  8. Greenwood
    Greenwood April 23 2018 13: 59
    +1
    Cool, congratulations to the warriors! Now they will have a fast Internet, it will be possible to watch in 4k. Well, it's easier to post pictures on instu. lol wassat
  9. Oleg Kozlov
    Oleg Kozlov April 23 2018 14: 11
    +1
    There is a big fear that Asian migrant workers will be laying the line, instead of optical fiber they will be given telephone "noodles", money will be stolen almost all, and then the person responsible for the construction project will be put under house arrest for a short time. And even about this a little show on TV.
  10. Seld
    Seld April 23 2018 15: 01
    +2
    The underwater gasket is:
    - Survey work;
    - The project;
    - route;
    - Availability of equipment;
    - Availability of cable vessels and apparatus / auxiliary vessels for:
    A: Gaskets / recesses;
    B: Subsequent maintenance;
    B. Repair.
    (not always the same thing).
    - Technical staff for such work !!!!!!! Previously, they attracted the military (in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk), during the sunset of the USSR - adversaries from Italy, France, Great Britain.
    - Favorable ice conditions!
    - Availability of ports / bases with spare parts warehouses (including cable stock) for ships along the cable route ...
    - The issue of the ship’s regime in the “standby readiness” and response to troubleshooting - and IT'S ALL SECRET for me, especially in the winter.

    At such lengths, as a rule, the cable is laid according to the principle of festoons (in the Baltic, for example, there is such a connection).
    If so, then it is necessary to provide for completely capital construction of coastal stations with all the "flowing in and out."
    And most importantly, why ??????????????
    The current network infrastructure in the Russian Federation (fiber, with redundancy !!!!) allows you to perform this same monitoring on-line "right now", which is the place to be.
    Paved, fake news.
    I recall a similar PolarNet project. Safely closed.
    And most importantly: "Where is the money, Zin?"
  11. Olaf Uksimae
    Olaf Uksimae April 24 2018 02: 21
    0
    Quote: vovanpain
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well, okay, NATO already knows, and the news is just a balm for the soul .. But then silence, what and how!

    Vital a little tar all the same in a barrel of honey capna
    For underwater work, special cable vessels of the Volga and Vyatka class will be used. They are currently being completed at the Zaliv plant in Kerch. According to preliminary data, the Volga is scheduled to be commissioned in 2019 year, Vyatka - a year later.

    Look at the terms 2019-2020 and if there is no shift as always to the right, then there is no money, then something went wrong, then they will start laying the cable at the end of the 20th and beginning of 2021, how much they will pull the cable when they surrender, then only God knows request Well, as for who knows, does not know, so whoever is supposed to, he knows where our cables are laid and where their cables are laid. yes

    About time for laying the cable. If you do not dig in, then laying the cable with a vessel with a dynamic positioning system (under ideal conditions up to 5 knots (approx. 9 km / h), if you need to dig a trench, then depending on the soil, the depth of the trench and the equipment used (underwater an excavator (trainer) an average of 40 to 300 meters per hour, using a plow up to 2-3 km / h) digging a trench 1-1,5 km / h, falling asleep 2-3 km / h. Having a distance of 12700 km can be calculated ( taking into account the work of two vessels), the answer will be very rude, but we will guess the order, this is only laying, without additional equipment.
    1. Seld
      Seld April 25 2018 13: 30
      0
      Well, well, they built it, skipped it, buried it (if at all possible taking into account the soil ....; I’m interested, did anyone conduct survey work on the cable route ???) ...
      Let us suppose...
      And who, how and WHAT (!!!!!!!) will service the cable ?????
      And if a cable break under the ice ??????????
      Icebreaker call ?????????? !!!!!!!! ??????
      Of course, local sofas and Khsperdy will say: "And then !!!!!!!! Give an icebreaker !!!!!!!!!!!!."
      But those who did not come across on the sofa, but in practice with these works, will say many unflattering words ... Specialists in this area (and there are not so many of them !!!!) will understand me and know what work is on the coastal section of the route cable and what equipment / technology is required for this.
      By the way, where to buy a cable planiruetso ????? In the Russian Federation, such a cable of this level is not produced yet. Alcatel? Huawei? TyCO !!!!!!!! ???????? !!!!!
      There is something in the Russian Federation, but "not the right coat." Not so far.
      And who will build and maintain coast stations?
      PS Transtelecom had (and probably has) a short cable between the mainland and Sakhalin through the Tatar Strait. Oh and hemorrrrho was when closing the gaps. I even had to put the radio relay on the buoy, according to the stories of techies from Trans. Specialists will understand me ...
  12. Pacifist
    Pacifist April 24 2018 15: 47
    0
    Yeah. The talker is a godsend for spy ...