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Is the Great Chinese Internet Wall option being tested in Russia?

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Roskomnadzor continues its struggle with Pavel Durov and his Telegram messenger. At the same time, the impression is created that the more actively this struggle is waged, the more at least the Internet users will be surprised at the results. And the matter is not even in the Telegram itself, but in the fact that dozens of other Internet resources accidentally or accidentally fall under the RKN blocking. Thus, in different regions of the country, users note problems with the work of online stores and other sites. In several regions of the Russian Federation, there are problems with the work of YouTube.


In this regard, on Online Roskomnadzor appeared a special section in the form of a hotline about blocking.

Is the Great Chinese Internet Wall option being tested in Russia?


From section:
An additional e-mail address of the hotline has been opened for sending information to Roskomnadzor about possible blocking of Internet resources in connection with measures taken by court decision to restrict access to the Telegram messenger. The additional address is [email protected], the main address of the hot line is Hotlinerkn @ rkn.gov.ru. All information received on the “hot line” is checked by Roskomnadzor specialists.


At these addresses went shaft letters from users due to the weirdness of locks. In particular, users were interested in the question of why some Google services were blocked. The ILK stated that Google "did not satisfy the requirements of Roskomnadzor (...) and continues to provide Telegram with its IP addresses for carrying out activities in the Russian Federation."

Against this background, the RKN site itself ran into problems. He underwent a DDoS attack.

And on the TV channel “Russia” in the “News of the Week” program, Dmitry Kiselev published a report on how “wonderful” everything is with the Internet in China, where the famous “Great China Internet Wall” operates, through which foreign resources cannot get through. Does this mean that something similar gathered to "build" in our country? A wonderful gift to all those who scream about the violation of human rights and the infringement of freedom of speech.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 23 2018 06: 36
    +6
    Does this mean that something like that was gathered to "build" in our country?

    "Chef, the mustache is gone!" request
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 23 2018 06: 41
      +20
      Quote: aszzz888
      Does this mean that something like that was gathered to "build" in our country?

      "Chef, the mustache is gone!" request

      So what? Well, you will build an Internet wall and no one will come in and out without permission. What's wrong?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 23 2018 06: 46
        +2
        Aaron Zawi (Aaron) Today, 06: 41
        What's wrong?

        This is a question for whom? request
      2. 210ox
        210ox April 23 2018 06: 47
        +12
        Aron, good morning. I’m talking about this too ... There will be less dirt ..
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: aszzz888
        Does this mean that something like that was gathered to "build" in our country?

        "Chef, the mustache is gone!" request

        So what? Well, you will build an Internet wall and no one will come in and out without permission. What's wrong?
      3. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO April 23 2018 06: 51
        +25
        And it is not so that, under good pretexts, the authorities want to gain total control over the virtual world in Russia. And who does everything in his favor and always under good pretexts, do not enlighten, Aron?
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener April 23 2018 14: 32
          +2
          Where is it wrong? When a phenomenon ceases to be marginal in prevalence, the state will take control of it.
      4. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 23 2018 08: 07
        +9
        The main thing is that the fortress does not turn into a prison because the example of the DPRK does not please me
        1. Kondratko
          Kondratko April 23 2018 12: 35
          +1
          Do you think this can be put into practice? The "wall" will act just as effectively as the "blocking" of torrents work today, i.e. no way. It is impossible to plug a virtual hole the size of the sky.
          Anyone who needs to find a way to an external network will get out, just read the information and turn on their brains, and our people know how to do this, we have all the "hackers", even grandmas on the bench.
        2. zyzx
          zyzx April 23 2018 16: 52
          +2
          Quote: NordOst16
          The main thing is that the fortress does not turn into a prison because the example of the DPRK does not please me

          And what do you specifically know about the DPRK? Or is all knowledge limited to the croaking of "independent" media?
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 23 2018 08: 56
        +6
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: aszzz888
        Does this mean that something like that was gathered to "build" in our country?

        "Chef, the mustache is gone!" request

        So what? Well, you will build an Internet wall and no one will come in and out without permission. What's wrong?


        Who asked you? Build a wall at home, but don’t go to us.
      6. Dead duck
        Dead duck April 23 2018 08: 59
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        So what? Well, you will build an Internet wall and no one will come in and out without permission. What's wrong?

        Only the Chinese before this (blocking) launched their analogues of their programs and resources request
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 23 2018 06: 43
      +15
      And I wanted to spit from a high hill on these champions of "freedom of speech and rights" am
      Quote: aszzz888
      Does this mean that something like that was gathered to "build" in our country?

      "Chef, the mustache is gone!" request
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 23 2018 06: 47
        +7
        210query (Dmitry) Today, 06: 43 ↑ New
        Yes, and I wanted to spit from a high hill on these champions of "freedom of speech and rights" am

        I also believe that we will survive! bully
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi April 23 2018 06: 51
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        And I wanted to spit from a high hill on these champions of "freedom of speech and rights" am

        Support.
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII April 23 2018 08: 01
          +8
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: 210ox
          And I wanted to spit from a high hill on these champions of "freedom of speech and rights" am

          Support.

          And then we won’t know anything about the traitors, here they can block you too, a foreign agent or an agent of influence and this will be enough yes . hi
          All these blockages from powerlessness, it is not necessary to block, but to find and punish, then the order will be and the freedom of information is clean, WITHOUT AN IMPURITY. But with this sauce you can block everything and there will only be a party site negative .
          It is not a person who must determine this, but the law, act and punish ... yes
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 April 23 2018 08: 11
            +8
            freedom of information clean, IMPURITY

            Like in the newspaper Pravda?))) It seems to me that for a successful state it is still not worth having total control over the Internet.
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII April 23 2018 08: 33
              +2
              Quote: NordOst16
              Like in the newspaper Pravda?))) It seems to me that for a successful state it is still not worth having total control over the Internet.

              I do not read newspapers with the advent of GDP .... lol
              I read it at the time and realized that what they write is not information, at best it’s a reflection that sometimes it’s interesting to read, but in most cases it’s just letters or flushing the skull ..... yes hi
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 April 23 2018 08: 46
                +1
                And, as Philip Filippovich Preobrazhensky also said, reading newspapers before dinner spoils the appetite)))
          2. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 23 2018 13: 50
            +1
            Quote: XXXIII
            here you too can be blocked, a foreign agent or an agent of influence and this will be enough

            What are you? Do you want to deprive me of the last permitted porn? belay
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII April 23 2018 14: 38
              +2
              Quote: NIKNN
              What are you? Do you want to deprive me of the last permitted porn?

              This is art, it just needs to be legalized .... laughing
            2. Alf
              Alf April 23 2018 19: 51
              +1
              Quote: NIKNN
              What are you? Do you want to deprive me of the last permitted porn?

              It is not necessary to deal with theory, but practice. Practice, practice and practice again.
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN April 23 2018 20: 12
                0
                Quote: Alf
                It is not necessary to deal with theory, but practice. Practice, practice and practice again.

                Hands are not the same ... crying laughing
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 23 2018 20: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: NIKNN
                  Hands are not the same ..

                  Hands, speak? laughing
                  1. NIKNN
                    NIKNN April 23 2018 20: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Alf
                    Hands, speak?
                    Well yes... recourse
      3. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 23 2018 08: 10
        +8
        Relative freedom of information, despite its shortcomings, has advantages. For example, the impossibility of total (I am not saying that the state should completely spit on the regulation of the Internet) state control of the Internet allows you to discuss or raise issues that otherwise would try to hush up.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat April 23 2018 08: 52
          +3
          Well, how many people will return to the real world !!!!! laughing
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 April 23 2018 09: 33
            +5
            The main thing is not with red banners and with a strong desire to "destroy the old world")))
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat April 23 2018 09: 44
              0
              If at once such a number of dolbotyapov returns from the freestanding room ... surely a disaster will happen! wassat
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 April 23 2018 11: 21
                +3
                Oh, come on, there’s always been enough fools everywhere. And where is that real world? I remember Japan and China, too, in the "real" world wanted to stay and isolate themselves, but if you do not keep up with the times, then the world will enter itself)))
  2. Antidote
    Antidote April 23 2018 06: 37
    +10
    And .... block yourself, ILV.
  3. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 23 2018 06: 40
    0
    Life is getting better
  4. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 23 2018 06: 50
    +7
    It's time to build a "wall" and not only virtual. It is a pity that this is more and more like a business showdown than a government strategy.
    1. bald
      bald April 23 2018 07: 18
      +3
      And so it is, first social. network in contact. And you can get to the pillar.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin April 23 2018 10: 42
        +7
        Quote: bald
        It's time to build a "wall" and not only virtual. It is a pity that this is more and more like a business showdown than a government strategy.
        samarin1969
        1 lysova (vladimir) Today, 07:18 ↑
        And so it is, first social. network in contact. And you can get to the pillar.

        Greetings colleagues hi I believe that all this has to be done due to the impending real threat of attacks on Russia in economic and information areas. And even in the current conditions, as we see, state control over this "fortress gap" is not given. On the other hand, the unprofessionalism of Rospotrebnadzor in blocking Telegram and other instant messengers, i.e. "sleeping agents of the West." Finally they saw this threat.
        1. NordOst16
          NordOst16 April 23 2018 11: 26
          +1
          I propose to remove encryption altogether because a respectable population has nothing to hide from anyone. But to make a hole only for the special services of the Russian Federation will not work, because sooner or later other criminal personalities will get into it.
          1. reservist
            reservist April 23 2018 12: 35
            +3
            Quote: NordOst16
            I propose to remove encryption completely ...

            did they pay with bank cards through the Internet?
            1. NordOst16
              NordOst16 April 23 2018 13: 46
              +1
              Your cards from the devil, you must return the old methods of calculation. And also completely remove the Internet, it has a bad effect on the population, it begins to ask questions and sees how and where our officials live in the decaying West
              1. reservist
                reservist April 23 2018 14: 15
                +1
                Quote: NordOst16
                Your cards from the devil, you must return the old methods of calculation.

                in gold rubles, which are cut off from the hryvnia (gold bullion)?
                if you persuade Nabiulin, then I do not mind ...
                1. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 April 23 2018 15: 18
                  0
                  Yes, that's for sure! A good idea! Eh, still would be dragging slaves for a forelock, mmm ... lepota
        2. bald
          bald April 23 2018 13: 38
          +2
          Good afternoon, Gennady. The question is not simple - what to do, what to do. On the one hand, there is a guarantee of confidentiality (approx. Bank account), on the other, a quiet channel for transmitting “dark” data. For encryption and decryption, a set of numbers and letters above the roof is sufficient. Again, IP addresses and more are blocked, among which the subscribers are not It turns out that the easiest way to close, although the methods of data transfer - the sea. As you, Gennady think.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin April 23 2018 21: 52
            +6
            Quote: bald
            So it turns out that the easiest way to close, although the methods of data transfer - the sea. How are you, Gennady think.

            Vladimir, hi I think it's time to move away from using Western services. Because with the aggravation of the political situation, they can be a source of real danger. I remember that any attempt to regulate certain areas by the state is perceived “with hostility”, but then everything gets better (example: introducing EGAIS into alcohol). I read the Regulation on Roskomnadzor, so there clause 5.1.1.2.5. “On counteracting the legalization (laundering) of proceeds of crime and the financing of terrorism” in terms of recording, storing and presenting information on transactions subject to mandatory control, as well as on organizing and exercising their internal control, it clearly prescribes. And plus Roskomnadzor is executing a court order. Those. reinsured 10 times. But, in addition to the ban and blocking, the state will have to create convenient messengers for the use of citizens.
            1. bald
              bald April 24 2018 04: 30
              +1
              Be sure to leave the western services. For example, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, where seriously, has independent channels. Of course, everything will settle down, just some time is needed.
    2. G A_2
      G A_2 April 23 2018 18: 55
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      It's time to build a "wall" and not only virtual. It is a pity that this is more and more like a business showdown than a government strategy.

      Do you like slavery?
      1. Terenin
        Terenin April 23 2018 21: 56
        +5
        Quote: G A_2
        Do you like slavery?

        And, to be a slave owner?
  5. Ushly_bashkort
    Ushly_bashkort April 23 2018 06: 52
    +10
    In order to make an analogue of the “great Chinese firewall”, you first need to develop your IT industry, as the Chinese themselves did. K. Semin spoke well about this in Agitprop, and then first we’ll block everything, and then we’ll think about how to live with it.
    1. NordOst16
      NordOst16 April 23 2018 08: 13
      +5
      And GDP is more than $ 14000bn.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 23 2018 06: 54
    +4
    With our creative people, the “Chinese wall” is unlikely to be built, but they can try something like that. On the other hand, irresponsibility gives rise to monstrous phenomena, such as stuffing misinformation like "Winter Cherry".
  7. jarpensky
    jarpensky April 23 2018 06: 57
    +6
    ... "there is a popular war, a holy war" ...
    With modern methods of warfare, the Internet field also needs to be equipped and prepared: a thorn there, fortifications, trenches, etc.
    The 21st century seems to be in the yard .., for a long time it was already necessary to think about it, and not to squint with eyes full of hope to the side, you yourself know which ... smile
  8. ICT
    ICT April 23 2018 06: 59
    +3
    «
    great "with the Internet in China, where the famous" Great China Internet Wall "operates


    I don’t think at what minute, but there is also about a fictional wall
  9. askort154
    askort154 April 23 2018 07: 00
    +7
    China is doing everything reasonably and on time. They do not live today, but striving for the future. They cleared the "Internet dump" by making it a decent system that bears only benefit, both for citizens and the country. The Western "dermocracy" went on for half a year and calmed down powerlessly. We have a lot to learn from China.
    1. NordOst16
      NordOst16 April 23 2018 08: 18
      +3
      Yes, only if mass discussions of any major official or critic of the authorities begin, then such discussions are sharply curtailed (I don’t know if they will ring the doorbell later))), but I think this is from the evil one
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 23 2018 07: 05
    +3
    Not built yet but building! For the third day now, my acquaintances who watch online Western films have been faced with the fact that on many of our Internet resources certain films (including science fiction and comedy) are blocked for viewing, which even the corresponding inscription notifies! So there are excesses at the excess! !!
  11. Amateur
    Amateur April 23 2018 07: 10
    +1
    They will close Roshen, ban Coca-Cola and hot dogs, return Masha Gaidar, and block telegrams. And that’s all for Russia Khan!
  12. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint April 23 2018 07: 15
    +6
    Again this nonsense ... The FSB is fighting specifically with it. And there are thousands of reasons. Almost all darknet sellers use only the cart. Drugs wholesale and retail, weapons services from breaking through to listening all this only through telegrams. And for me, this menagerie will certainly depart from this block, but even if they can’t sell anything for a week, this is already a huge plus.
  13. Moskovit
    Moskovit April 23 2018 07: 19
    +6
    The Great Wall of China is a great myth. For a small fee, you download VPN and voila, everything works, everything opens. You can install and free, but it will be buggy. I directly in China, the Chinese themselves put for 50 yuan, this is 500 p, a good vpn.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 23 2018 07: 50
      +3
      Since 2015, the Chinese authorities have begun to simply disconnect mobile subscribers for using applications that allow you to independently configure a VPN. In January 2017, the operation of VPN services that did not pass state registration was banned. And six months later, the Chinese government ordered all telecom providers in the country to block users from accessing illegal virtual private networks. Therefore, it is better to use Onavo VPN and configure it in Russia, and then go to China. Well and besides:
      1. Internet at the hotel - free Wi-Fi at the reception or wired connection in the room for 50 yuan per day (about 550-600 rubles).
      2. Blocked resources are not available from mobile, however, in all programs (Facebook, Twitter, Viber, etc.), push notifications come in that you can’t open as a result.
      3. In addition to Google itself, all satellite maps based on it do not work, for example, wikimapia loads the contours of objects, but there is no satellite substrate.
      4. Internet roaming costs incredible money - 630 rubles per megabyte (information from here http://moscow.megafon.ru/roaming/world/?aid=1320)
      At the same time, there is no way to buy a local SIM card for a foreigner, only selling with a Chinese passport. From year to year, the conditions for acquiring SIM cards for Chinese people are tightening: they may not sell at all with the following motivation: “... through your SIM cards there have been a lot of suspicious actions before ...”
      5. Messengers - in addition to QQ, almost everyone uses WeChat, which is also a part-time social network, whatsapp almost none of the Chinese know.
      1. mkop
        mkop April 23 2018 08: 53
        +4
        On all points except 4 it’s useless to speak, because where did you get this from? God knows.
        But it’s not clear where they got it from point 4 either, but at point-blank range I don’t see 630 rubles per MB on your page.

        By tariffs, turn on I see: 10 MB in roaming - 99,00 ₽ for China. And for the United States, by the way, too. But voice calls in roaming are more expensive in the USA (199 rubles) against 129 in China.
  14. Antidote
    Antidote April 23 2018 07: 27
    +1
    Quote: Moskovit
    For a small fee you download vpn and voila, everything works, everything opens.

    Yes, you, it turns out, are well versed in all of this. Like Zharov.
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 23 2018 07: 30
      +1
      Also, I find it difficult to understand such things. Those who in China happen to know all about these things because there even a mobile phone doesn’t work.
    2. Moskovit
      Moskovit April 23 2018 07: 49
      0
      Involuntarily. 1 minute of conversation with China on a mobile phone 80 r, SMS - 70 r. How to communicate with family? Through messengers. In China, there is a miracle messenger chat. They live in it. Make purchases through it in online and regular stores. But with us it is not developed.
  15. MadCat
    MadCat April 23 2018 07: 32
    +11
    Well, self-isolation was the root cause, the fear of losing power is precisely the answer to the question, why ???
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 23 2018 07: 34
      +3
      What why? To block the messenger through which drug dealers and terrorists communicate in our country?))) And the FSB is beating into the void due to the stupidity of its owners?
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 23 2018 08: 24
        +5
        And if you look from the other side? Such protection systems allow you to freely communicate between people, criticize the government and not be afraid of criminal elements.
        Indeed, the creation of centralized repositories with encryption keys is a potential leak point. Company servers with keys, FSB server. If one of them is hacked, the data of all users will fall into the hands of criminals. In addition, I can not guarantee that some individuals in the FSB will not use the information for personal gain and, most importantly, they will then be adequately punished
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 23 2018 08: 43
          +1
          In order not to write in the second round, do so, download the tor browser, search for the most popular torsites, see who sells, how much and with what, and then explain why there everyone is sitting on the telegram and not on the phone for example
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 April 23 2018 09: 09
            +4
            It is possible to create similar software yourself. At the same time, the existing software allows using the public key to transfer the private key to your interlocutor and continue to calmly communicate via e-mail. The main thing would be desire.

            I will say more, we don’t have to hide in order to commit crimes, for example, the construction of a new stadium in our city of St. Petersburg. Of course, I did not much follow the news, but something I did not hear about high-profile cases on this object.

            Well and the last - it is impossible to make so that a loophole for special services was accessible only for them. If, due to such a loophole, the data of millions of users leak into the open network, will the FSB be held responsible? Will layoffs follow? It seems to me not.
            1. cariperpaint
              cariperpaint April 23 2018 09: 55
              +1
              If they don’t give the keys, then there is no way to fight yet. All sales go through treasures; they cannot be caught at a meeting. They don’t shine their faces and data. And the number of offers is just terrible. And these are not jokes at all. Because of the stupid fear of leaks, in reality people are dying. Do you think it's worth it? For me personally, no.
              1. Mimoprohodil
                Mimoprohodil April 23 2018 10: 56
                +2
                And before the telegram appeared, were the drugs not sold? Do you think that various power structures do not control the flow of drugs? Tons of drugs are not teleported to Russia, but transported across the border.
                1. cariperpaint
                  cariperpaint April 23 2018 14: 15
                  0
                  e not) now they have reached a new level. sellers intermediaries and treasuries generally do not personally intersect. they are hired at the same sites. conspiracy is tough including even services on these sites of peculiar security services that range from monitoring drug control or as they are now called and identifying informers to punishing careless storekeepers. It looks something like this. the seller writes to the cart, or rather, simply to the manager hired who accepts the order, the customer pays bitcoins along the branch and he is indicated the location of the treasure that you yourself understand is chosen randomly. and all this with the help of a cart. you can look at all this yourself on the corresponding resources. they’ve become so overwhelmed that they put an advertisement in YouTube insolently. with all this, there is a guarantee service that accepts money by a third party that controls the transaction. for all that, having encountered these resources a couple of years ago, everyone was sitting on an ICQ or similar system, and now everyone is on a cart.
                  1. NordOst16
                    NordOst16 April 23 2018 21: 35
                    +1
                    God, besides the cart, there are 101 ways to deliver drugs to the addressee. The roof in the power structures gives them brazenly work like this and blocking the problem cannot be solved
              2. NordOst16
                NordOst16 April 23 2018 11: 33
                +1
                There is a demand, delivery to the final consumer will just cost a little more. And this business is protected at the level of law enforcement agencies. Decryption keys will not fix anything, but they will give one more lever of power to our special services
    2. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV April 23 2018 07: 37
      +1
      Quote: MadCat
      fear of losing power is precisely the answer to the question, why ???

      Maybe the answer is different, that it’s time to restore order on the Internet, which has turned into a walk-field.
  16. Thompson
    Thompson April 23 2018 07: 37
    +2
    And the noise ...
    And as before they lived without telegrams!
    It’s not easier just for the eggs of this Durov ...
    And I think the interests of the state are primary.
    1. NordOst16
      NordOst16 April 23 2018 11: 34
      +3
      And as before, they lived without electricity and a constitution. There were slaves and there were gentlemen. They lived normally, for how many centuries the Russian Empire existed and was a huge force in Europe, but as a freemen they gave so immediately went into the distance
      1. Thompson
        Thompson 12 May 2018 23: 42
        0
        I understand you correctly, from the kind of slaves myself? And if everything was fine, why the king was overthrown?
        What did the revolution happen? And now it exists! And where is the spacing?
        1. NordOst16
          NordOst16 13 May 2018 09: 30
          0
          Quote: Thompson
          And if everything was fine, why the king was overthrown?

          A mixture of the mistakes of the government and Emperor Nicholas II and the desire to withdraw RI from the war. For without German help there would be no revolution.

          Quote: Thompson
          What did the revolution happen? And now it exists!

          And what now exists?

          Quote: Thompson
          And where is the spacing?

          The revolution caused gigantic damage to the country and killed many lives.

          Although, maybe that does not happen - all for the better? The disappearance of RI, the collapse of the Soviets.
  17. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle April 23 2018 07: 38
    +3
    It's time to introduce censorship. Establish ideological user identification on the network according to the passport. And to make access to the Internet only under your own name and let all the trolls and grantosos know - you always have to answer for your affairs on the Internet.
    1. True
      True April 23 2018 07: 41
      +12
      Yes, immediately hang yourself a bell ...
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint April 23 2018 07: 43
        +2
        99 percent of people have it anyway. The smartphone is called
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 07: 48
          +2
          Quote: cariperpaint
          The smartphone is called

          And I do not have...
          1. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint April 23 2018 07: 49
            0
            Well, such as you are a minority) and even that will soon disappear, I think.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 07: 52
              +1
              Quote: cariperpaint
              Well, such as you are a minority) and even that will soon disappear, I think.

              Figures. After I planted two smartphones, I buy ordinary phones. Without any internet. Why the heck I do not need to climb on the phone to the Internet. Car crashing it.
              1. cariperpaint
                cariperpaint April 23 2018 07: 58
                0
                Well, you don’t, but I don’t))) modern oualia are such that you should be in touch constantly and always have the ability to download something to throw something off. I have nothing to hide, I don’t really care about it, but the fact is that this device knows everything about your life and many have access to it.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 08: 05
                  +4
                  The fact is that when I had smartphones, I stupidly realized that I did not use all their capabilities. And if so, then I do not need it. Like a fish needs a bicycle? I manage the Chinese Nokia, push-button, and enough for me.
                  1. cariperpaint
                    cariperpaint April 23 2018 08: 13
                    +1
                    A completely understandable and competent approach.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 08: 17
                      0
                      Quote: cariperpaint
                      A completely understandable and competent approach.

                      Here you go. As the unforgettable Mikhail Saevich (the earth was glassy to him) said, they found a consensus in the pluralism of opinions. drinks
                  2. XXXIII
                    XXXIII April 23 2018 08: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    The fact is that when I had smartphones, I stupidly realized that I did not use all their capabilities. And if so, then I do not need it. Like a fish needs a bicycle? I manage the Chinese Nokia, push-button, and enough for me.

                    You will not be able to play pokemon go, your development will be higher, you become a man .... lol wink hi
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 08: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: XXXIII
                      You can't play pokemon go,

                      What a crap ... crying laughing And I also leave the phone in the locker room at work, and I'm not worried about this ... request
                  3. t-4
                    t-4 April 23 2018 09: 18
                    +3
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    I manage the Chinese Nokia, push-button, and enough for me.

                    And are you proud of it?
                    What are you proud of? Those behind life and stuck in the zero years? As a rule, this is age.
                    Then be consistent - give up mobile communications in general.
                    There are different people, some even go to live in the taiga and refuse all the benefits of civilization.
                    True, everyone calls such citizens, to put it mildly, eccentrics. lol
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 14: 45
                      0
                      Quote: t-4
                      What are you proud of? Those behind life and stuck in the zero years? As a rule, this is age.

                      I don’t understand ... Once again: What for do I need a smartphone if I do not use its functions? Well, I uploaded a bunch of clips, I photographed myself with such a fucking thing, I shot my woman in an indecent way, and then what? But nothing. This smartphone did not bother me.
          2. Alex_59
            Alex_59 April 23 2018 08: 49
            0
            Quote: mordvin xnumx

            And I do not have...

            They left for you.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 08: 52
              +1
              True? U, I disconnect, and run away from home. laughing
    2. kit88
      kit88 April 23 2018 09: 42
      +2
      Quote: Flame
      It's time to introduce censorship. Establish ideological user identification on the network according to the passport.

      And here’s what I’ll say, dear colleagues.
      The state again follows the simplest way - it solves problems at the expense of ordinary citizens.
      And you did not have to face the fact that you pay for services that you did not order and did not connect? Subscriptions on the Internet, mobile services that you do not need from the word at all?
      Having bought a SIM card, what do you need to do first? It’s right to turn off all services you don’t need, but they won’t be turned off right away, because the SIM card has not been registered yet, and the operator will take away your penny anyway. And nationwide? On the Internet - I poked the mouse in the wrong place - I received a subscription, the availability of which you will know when the balance goes to minus.
      And what prevents companies from quietly cheating citizens? But nothing. The state is not concerned about this.
      Well, let the state restore order there first.
      And then we’ll play it to the point that court bailiffs start to go home - honestly collect debts from shabby citizens for any notifications from muddy sites.
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint April 23 2018 10: 01
        0
        This is all solved by a simple call to support and disabling the ability to do them. Many years ago, calls to short numbers were disabled. I personally do not have such troubles. Plus, you need to clearly understand that services will always be imposed on you and this is your personal financial security to monitor this. Like reading contracts and not signing everything. You need to understand the clear rules that the world is changing and the rules of sales too. Loopholes searched and will search and find. A modern man, well, is simply obliged to know about it. Any supermarket is so manipulated by customers that sometimes you wonder how it works.
        1. kit88
          kit88 April 23 2018 11: 45
          +1
          Yesterday there was no service, today it itself appeared. Sucks money. And I still have to call the support service (which I can’t get through to) and tearfully ask not to take money from me for what I did not order. Aw, funny to tears!
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 April 23 2018 12: 53
            0
            Quote: kit88
            Aw, funny to tears!

            And sms come with the wording "you have activated the XXX service. If you want to refuse, send an SMS with the text" kiss me in the stomach "to the number * # 849 # 99 # 73636 # 98"
            It is enchanting. You come to the market, you get a wallet from your pocket and say a watermelon on you, and if you do not need a watermelon, write a return application. Class!
            1. cariperpaint
              cariperpaint April 23 2018 14: 50
              0
              so this is an imposition) there is no need to direct anything. call your mobile operator and delete everything, then turn off the possibility of subscriptions and forget about that.
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 April 23 2018 15: 34
                +1
                Quote: cariperpaint
                so this is an imposition) there is no need to direct anything. call your mobile operator and delete everything, then turn off the possibility of subscriptions and forget about that.

                Let’s say I turned it off, I’m a communications specialist by training, I understand this better than many. The question is why should I do something if I did not want any services? And besides, sometimes they have attempts to reconnect something to those who have turned off everything for a long time. Some kind of newsletter, subscription to the game. And if a person missed this SMS in which there was a proposal to disconnect the subscription and then the account is rolled out to him?

                Bailiffs will come to you tomorrow, they say you owe two million rubles. - What a fright? - The Criminal Code connected you with a new service a year ago - a weather vane on the roof, but you do not pay! “But I did not know about such a service.” - SMS came to you with a request to unsubscribe if you do not want a weather vane on the roof, but you were silent, drive the money.
          2. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint April 23 2018 14: 36
            0
            it doesn’t happen) if the subscription has appeared, then you ordered it somewhere. they are very well camouflaged. disable the very possibility of subscriptions and all. and they simply won’t be able to appear. Plus, for a very long time, all these clever men deprived you of the opportunity to lead you into the negative. can be withdrawn only by the money you have made to your phone.
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 14: 47
            0
            Dial your number on the Internet and disconnect everything to the fucking mother.
            1. cariperpaint
              cariperpaint April 23 2018 14: 51
              0
              everything is disabled for me. except the services I need. I wrote that as soon as I blocked the possibility of subscriptions, I have no trouble with this.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 14: 57
                0
                I have Tele-2. As they were a Swedish company, everything was fine. As our VTB bank bought them, the soul swept up to heaven, where it was a little bald. laughing Once a day I began to take fifty rubles, not for the dog .. crying
                1. cariperpaint
                  cariperpaint April 23 2018 15: 01
                  0
                  go to others. I have an egg, I stupidly solve all issues with them through a call and quickly. not advertising)))))))))
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 23 2018 15: 04
                    0
                    Which ones? Tele -2 is a normal operator, unlike others. (I will not show with my finger laughing )
        2. reservist
          reservist April 23 2018 12: 55
          0
          Quote: cariperpaint
          This is all solved by a simple call to support and disabling the ability to do them.

          Last summer I heard from one such service that they would disconnect it only by written request
          1. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint April 23 2018 14: 37
            0
            The mobile operator said this? )))))
            1. reservist
              reservist April 23 2018 18: 46
              +1
              Well, yes, he still had such a green logo
              they didn’t write a statement, the operator was changed
  18. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV April 23 2018 08: 00
    0
    Quote: Amateur
    They will close Roshen, ban Coca-Cola and hot dogs, return Masha Gaidar, and block telegrams. And that’s all for Russia Khan!

    Roshen factory in Lipetsk is mothballed, not working
  19. cedar
    cedar April 23 2018 08: 09
    0
    If the information-psychological war is a reality, and in the US alone the cyber troops number about 12 trained fighters, then everything is natural and natural, and we will hope in a timely and effective manner.
    See the root. "In war, as in war"
  20. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint April 23 2018 08: 09
    +2
    More curious in this story is who hysterics that this spins so .. According to the facts, if you look at the same nonsense. The FSB appealed to one structure by law, she filed a lawsuit and won it. The defendant still pulls time and does not want to execute legal decisions of the court. But for some reason wild for me in this story, it was the defendant who was the victim ... so for him to everything else, the howl did not rise ...
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy April 23 2018 11: 54
      +2
      Quote: cariperpaint
      More curious in this story is who hysterics that this spins so .. According to the facts, if you look at the same nonsense. The FSB appealed to one structure by law, she filed a lawsuit and won it. The defendant still pulls time and does not want to execute legal decisions of the court. But for some reason wild for me in this story, it was the defendant who was the victim ... so for him to everything else, the howl did not rise ...


      The howl rose because of the strange movements of the RKN. I do not use telegram, but the fact that they began to block Azure IP addresses was a complete failure. Same with google. When the cloud drive simply did not open due to the fact that the intermediate array was on the blocked list.

      It is clear that there is telegraph to the extent that it can be either a rehearsal for a national disconnection from the Internet, an order from competitors (What Up is not touched if they are not noticed), or the second part of the Vkontakte story. But you need to think head after that? I do not use this messenger, but they arrange hemorrhoids and involuntarily draw me into an incomprehensible conflict.
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint April 23 2018 14: 53
        +1
        so these cleverly galloped galloped over other IPs, and here they fell under the hand. here, of course, the bust agrees.
  21. Terenin
    Terenin April 23 2018 08: 33
    +6
    A wonderful gift to all those who shout about the violation of human rights and the violation of freedom of speech.. In, how the "bee swarm" was stirred up! recourse Really at the "point" hit. If now the whole "western progressive humanity" will raise a howl, then so it is! yes
  22. Mestny
    Mestny April 23 2018 08: 53
    -2
    Quote: NordOst16
    It seems to me that for a successful state it is still not worth having total control over the Internet.

    This can be told to residents such as Egypt, or Libya, or even the former. Ukraine.
  23. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 23 2018 09: 21
    0
    A wonderful gift to all those who shout about the violation of human rights and the violation of freedom of speech.
    Where, where, and on the network it's time to at least try to put things in order. It would be nice to understand all the cries: the rights of the “man” (namely in brackets) are the rights of the “white man” over the rest of the world: all sorts of Russians, Poles, Chinese, Uzbeks, Australian, Indians and Indians, etc. This is essentially the same "thug romance" for the rest of the world. Where beautiful words (for suckers) cover murders, theft, the principle of human-to-human wolf.
  24. Kelwin
    Kelwin April 23 2018 09: 31
    +6
    Many wonderful properties are attributed to the Chinese firewall, but this is a great exaggeration. I don’t remember who said that the castle is good from honest people, or something like that. Yes, some services do not work, but access to most resources is closed "for show" and the ban is quite easy to bypass. Another thing is that the average user does not need this, their content is higher than the roof. As for our sheep, in the sense of ILV, their grenades have the wrong system, they just can’t understand that a massive ban is the way to nowhere. Well, they themselves bring the appearance of distributed applications closer to the heap, directly provoke, and then what will they do?) Ax, cable, 18 centuries?))) (with)
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 23 2018 10: 07
      0
      What does the mass ban in general? This was not the end in itself of all this. They do not comply with the court decision to them how to respond? Affectionately beg?
      1. Kelwin
        Kelwin April 23 2018 11: 37
        +4
        “Moreover,” the ban is not in itself, the question is how to assess the attempt to execute an absurd court decision in the absence of technical ability to do this without disgrace) well, it is still advisable not to interfere with resources and users that are not relevant to the case. And let's ban the salaries of all officials on the basis of accusation of one of them in corruption, for example? :) until clarification, so to speak ...
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 23 2018 14: 56
          0
          Well, first of all, why is it absurd? but I agree about the rest.
          1. Kelwin
            Kelwin April 23 2018 18: 31
            +1
            It is absurd because they explained to the court that the company cannot provide the keys to the secret chat, since it does not have these keys, they are stored on the users side. Instead of looking for a solution, the court decides to block. I don’t know if the court was aware of how to technically execute such a decision, but we see the result, but what is this if not absurd ...
      2. reservist
        reservist April 23 2018 13: 08
        +2
        court ruling says about blocking Telegram service
        Based on which solution is the same docker blocked?

        if in an apartment building only one tenant owes heating, is it legal to turn off the heat to the whole house?
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 23 2018 14: 57
          0
          these began to hide their IPs on other people's services, so it flew in. although in fact there
          In the court’s decision regarding Telegram, the obligation to stop creating technical conditions for access to the messenger was assigned not only to Roskomnadzor, but also to the owners of VPN and proxy services. ”
          1. reservist
            reservist April 23 2018 19: 37
            0
            Well, there are examples of sites that have fallen under the distribution, which are clearly not vpn'om nor proxy
            it is obvious that if the owner of the VPN / Proxy does not fall under Russian jurisdiction, then most likely he will not even know about the decision of the Tagansky court ...
    2. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 23 2018 10: 13
      0
      Yes, and the case itself is unusual so to speak. Specialists have long been fighting with him. As I wrote above, almost all who trade on the darknet work through a cart. At a minimum, this should alert ordinary people and try to enter the situation. Why do they all work through it ... For what purposes they use it.
      1. Antidote
        Antidote April 23 2018 10: 54
        +1
        20 (twenty!) Thousand dead in traffic accidents per year! At a minimum, this should alert ordinary people and try to enter the situation.
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 23 2018 11: 11
          0
          What does the accident ... And you have dandruff. So, what is next? Stop Gingerbread Cookies?
          1. Antidote
            Antidote April 23 2018 11: 29
            +3
            About that and the speech that it is necessary to fight not with windmills, but with the reason: improving culture, education, family values. And when all this is mixed with dkrim, it is not necessary to wonder why so many people go to the dark side of power.
            1. cariperpaint
              cariperpaint April 23 2018 12: 32
              0
              And who argues that? Only the cart is not a windmill but a tool that was created for good but in reality it turned into a garbage can for any scum. I’m not saying that there is nobody besides bad people. This is certainly not the case. But the fact that everyone who hides their activities from the law abruptly passed in due time there says a lot.
              1. Antidote
                Antidote April 23 2018 14: 49
                +1
                It’s sad that you think so narrowly
                http://www.balancer.ru/g/p6196849
                1. cariperpaint
                  cariperpaint April 23 2018 15: 06
                  0
                  how many people have so many opinions. I personally do not understand this obstinacy of Durov at all. PR and all.
  25. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 23 2018 10: 00
    +2
    Quote: KelWin
    Many wonderful properties are attributed to the Chinese firewall, but this is a great exaggeration. I don’t remember who said that the castle is good from honest people, or something like that. Yes, some services do not work, but access to most resources is closed "for show" and the ban is quite easy to bypass.

    Kirill! hi
    So this is good.
    Firstly: people learn to work creatively and become technically more savvy when circumventing bans.
    Secondly: it is for "chewing gum" whose information simply settles in the brain without trying to think about the townsfolk and this qualification should apply. A thinking person (read in this case circumventing prohibitions) is more resistant to propaganda and, therefore, can resist it.
    1. Kelwin
      Kelwin April 23 2018 11: 32
      +1
      I unequivocally agree with both statements)
  26. Rostislav
    Rostislav April 23 2018 10: 36
    +1
    A wonderful gift to all those who shout about the violation of human rights and the violation of freedom of speech.

    But these squats are not needed in front of Western "human rights guardians." When will you get tired of bending? Yelling, it means Russia is doing everything right.
    Remember better the doctrine of Allen Dulles, who said that we were molesting Russia from the inside. By the way, it works quite effectively through our (?) TV, movies and bloggers. I believe that even examples of these programs are not required, movies are represented by 80% of Hollywood products, mostly militants. And in most films, the main villains are Russians. Who selects films for display in Russia?
    It is time for Russia to start living with its own mind and stop looking back at what the notorious “defenders of democracy and freedom of speech” will say in the West.
    Do not go with the flow, do not swim against the current. Swim where you need to. (c) Kozma Rodov.
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil April 23 2018 11: 14
      +2
      Quote: Rostislav
      Remember better the doctrine of Allen Dulles

      When someone believes in Dulles’s plan in 2018, it’s very funny
  27. dgonni
    dgonni April 23 2018 10: 52
    +1
    Elon Musk rubs his hands cheerfully;). For? For the worldwide Internet network that he plans to deploy by 2024 wink . And the trick is that he does not expect any restrictions on traffic and services.
    And yes, I forgot, it will be possible to prohibit the importation of equipment to connect to this network, but as practice shows, the demand for the proposal will be. so Roskomnadzor can continue in the same vein.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy April 23 2018 12: 51
      0
      Quote: dgonni
      And the most funny thing is that he does not foresee any restrictions on traffic and services.
      And yes, I forgot, it will be possible to prohibit the importation of equipment to connect to this network, but as practice shows, the demand for the proposal will be. so Roskomnadzor can continue in the same vein.


      Saint Ilon will help .... The main problem in speed and ping in satellite Internet is Mask. Plus, in the Russian Federation, they simply may not give permission for frequency ranges. The whole world will enjoy, and we will go our own way as always.
  28. RosUkrBel
    RosUkrBel April 23 2018 11: 31
    0
    Gentlemen-Comrades, the war is coming! They are trying for your well-being! That you could write your comments in a warm apartment and on a soft sofa, and not sit and sob on the ruins of your house!
  29. resonance
    resonance April 23 2018 11: 53
    +2
    It is necessary for citizens, it is necessary to isolate themselves from the world of all that has brought good Russia?
  30. Playerman
    Playerman April 23 2018 12: 21
    +2
    Hmm, the topic is relevant. Some are outraged: "The guard, deprived of freedom, Herods." Others say, "Well, that's right." Personally, I support the second. If you live without violating any norms, rules, laws, why should you be afraid? And if you are outraged, then the stigma in the fluff? Why not resent the WhatsApp? To me personally, strictly parallel, who and what reads what I write. I do not break any laws, therefore on health smile What is the secret of correspondence? With a lover? Who needs you with your adultery? (Well, of course, if you are not a big businessman or politician) Telegrams are used in foreign countries, so what? Do you think foreign specialists will let the messenger work in closed mode? I’m not sure, that means Durov obeys their laws, and ours, as they say: "........ all over the face." In the vastness of the network I don’t remember where, I saw a photo of the appeal where, the FSB through the court asks for correspondence of all the specific 6 numbers of alleged terrorists. So what? Durov showed the authorities just a goat's face. There are no words, a lamb is right in the foreign land of Durov, and in Russia you can spin figs.
  31. Whowhy
    Whowhy April 23 2018 13: 51
    0
    I honestly do not care - let them block themselves. Too much rubbish has accumulated on the Internet. But there, in Roskomnadzor, it seems that some idiots are sitting - how many times have they blocked our sites because of just one word, such as "suicide", for example, taken out of context. And something, we have never received any compensation from them for this arbitrariness and idiocy. In the form of "great mercy" they only removed the lock ....
  32. Oleg Kozlov
    Oleg Kozlov April 23 2018 14: 31
    +1
    In our country, such an "Internet wall" will not be built. Either they’ll outbid the specialists, or they will steal the money, or both.
  33. Clueless
    Clueless April 23 2018 16: 35
    +3
    Kisilevschina even my father, who already got under 80. When they hung about the Chinese Internet there, he after watching asked:
    - And why then not take as an example, even shoot officials for bribes, as in China? :)))

    And yes .. we all accept, what restricts the freedom of citizens, not officials
  34. Clueless
    Clueless April 23 2018 16: 37
    +1
    Quote: PlayerMan
    Hmm, the topic is relevant. Some are outraged: "The guard, deprived of freedom, Herods." Others say, "Well, that's right." Personally, I support the second. If you live without violating any norms, rules, laws, why should you be afraid? And if you are outraged, then the stigma in the fluff? Why not resent the WhatsApp? To me personally, strictly parallel, who and what reads what I write. I do not break any laws, therefore on health smile What is the secret of correspondence? With a lover? Who needs you with your adultery? (Well, of course, if you are not a big businessman or politician) Telegrams are used in foreign countries, so what? Do you think foreign specialists will let the messenger work in closed mode? I’m not sure, that means Durov obeys their laws, and ours, as they say: "........ all over the face." In the vastness of the network I don’t remember where, I saw a photo of the appeal where, the FSB through the court asks for correspondence of all the specific 6 numbers of alleged terrorists. So what? Durov showed the authorities just a goat's face. There are no words, a lamb is right in the foreign land of Durov, and in Russia you can spin figs.


    And the Constitution does not bother us now, where is the secrecy of the correspondence of a citizen guaranteed? In the same Israel, no one takes keys from messengers, but why, they fight terrorism very successfully
  35. Clueless
    Clueless April 23 2018 16: 40
    +2
    Quote: cariperpaint
    Again this nonsense ... The FSB is fighting specifically with it. And there are thousands of reasons. Almost all darknet sellers use only the cart. Drugs wholesale and retail, weapons services from breaking through to listening all this only through telegrams. And for me, this menagerie will certainly depart from this block, but even if they can’t sell anything for a week, this is already a huge plus.


    Bullshit dear;) You are clearly not familiar with the darknet, if you write heresy about telegrams :)))
  36. Shuttle
    Shuttle April 23 2018 16: 54
    0
    But I think that Rostelecom is doing everything right. Blocks the clouds from Amazon, Google and the rest of the fans attach to the butts of the violator of Russian laws - and that's good!
    In the end, these Amazons and Google themselves will force Durov either to obey the laws of the Russian Federation or to dump them from their services on the expanses of another Internet. They are not bad to lose business in Russia because of this clown.