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For Su-57 and J-20, they quickly prepare an opponent. Why does the Pentagon have a headache?

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While we all continue to carefully monitor and analyze the situation in recent weeks in the Syrian theater of operations with genuine interest, where future deliveries of D-Damascus anti-aircraft missile systems of the C-300PS (or PMU-1) modification will be put under the “fat” question any attempt by the OVVS and the Western coalition fleets to conduct another massive missile attack on the most important fortified areas of the Syrian army and industrial objects of the republic, a surprise from Washington was outlined in the Asia-Pacific Strategic om direction. Here, the Pentagon, with the involvement of the lines of military-technical support of the allied countries of the United States, as well as foreign military sales, is preparing to challenge the actively strengthening regional domination of the tactical military-air component of the transitional and 5-th generations of the Russian and Russian Air Forces. This was announced 18 April 2018 of the year from the Reuters news agency, citing sources in the US Department of Defense and the company "Lockheed Martin".

According to the famous resource, at the moment, representatives of Lockheed, as well as high-ranking specialists from the United States Air Force, began consultations with the Japanese defense ministry regarding a project to develop a promising multipurpose 5 generation fighter for Japan’s Self-Defense Air Force based on existing products. This is a car combining the anti-aircraft potential of a fighter to gain F-22A "Raptor" air superiority and the advanced architecture of the elemental base and software of the on-board radio-electronic equipment of the inconspicuous Lightning II F-35A multi-purpose fighter.

This event can not be associated solely with the lobbying of US defense products about US officials from the Japanese Defense Ministry. The whole hitch is that the project of the Japanese 5-generation ATD-X fighter recently brought to construction and the first flight test of the technology demonstrator still has an uncertain future, since for the final adjustment of the future airframe, EDSU and weapons control complex of the future F-3 it is necessary allocations of more than 40 billion dollars. This amount should also include the cost of building the corresponding capacity of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries for the high-volume production of F-3. Consequently, the project ATD-X "Shinshin" is currently not coordinated with the five-year defense plan of the Ministry of Defense of Japan, which will be finalized only by the beginning of 2019 of the year; According to information from Reuters for 15 in November 2017, the work on the project is "frozen." Whether the defense ministry and the Japanese parliament agree to allocate such funds to continue the ATD-X project is still unknown.

A much simpler and less costly option is the direct purchase of Lokhidi aircraft kits of X-NUMX-generation F-5A X-type fighter from the Foreign Military Sales foreign military sales (FMS) for 35 million dollars per unit, their further assembly in workshops "Mitsubishi Heavy Industry", and then further contracts with "Lockheed" for the purchase of new hybrids F-135A and F-22A. Moreover, sacrifice their defense technological self-sufficiency to the Japanese is not the first time. For example, the purchase of 35 machines will cost Tokyo approximately 42 billion dollars, which is 5,7 times cheaper than just bringing the ATD-X program to production samples of the “first stage”. As for the hybrid F-7A and F-22A, which is now actively being imposed on the Japanese Defense Ministry and the Air Forces of Self-Defense, it, without a doubt, looks even more attractive to them.

It is well known that back in 2007, the Japanese side made a request to purchase promising X-NUMX-generation F-5A Raptor fighters from the US, but the US Congress rejected it because of the inadmissibility of transferring critical technologies; moreover, it was not even proposed to simplify its export version with the possibility of installing a less sophisticated Japanese on-board AFAR-radar J / APG-22, presented by 1 by MMIC-type transmitter-receiver modules based on gallium arsenide (GaAs). The Japanese have long dreamed of "Raptor", and now they are offered its more advanced modification with the network-centric "stuffing" from F-800A, and even without multi-billion infusions from its own budget! Naturally, all this looks extremely tempting, which was what Washington expected. Tokyo’s long-standing interest in American military equipment prohibited for export is for Lockheed Martin a real spare “jump airfield” in the event of an increasingly likely failure of the contract to sell F-35A to the Turkish Air Force. But these are only economic moments.

A much more important detail of such a proposal on the part of the Americans is Washington’s desire to establish parity in tactical combat potential aviation transitional and 5th generations with the Aerospace Forces of Russia and the Air Force of China in the western part of the Asia-Pacific region. In addition to the fact that the number of multi-purpose tactical fighters and transition-generation fighter-bombers Su-30SM, Su-30M2, Su-35S continues to increase every year at Russian Far Eastern air bases (Dzemgi, Domna, Central Angular, etc.) Chinese Avb - no less sophisticated J-10B, J-11B and J-16, and programs for the development / development of 5th generation machines - Su-57, J-20 and J-31 are in full swing. The first two vehicles have a huge range of more than 2000 km (depending on the combat load in the internal armament compartments and the presence of external underwing FTBs), which is about 2 times more than the F-35A sold on the Japanese side today.

The radars of these cars, which are distinguished by active phased array with increased energy potential, are ahead of the AN / APG-81 proposed by the Americans in the range of approximately 2 times. So, if H036 "Squirrel" is able to detect a target with 1,5 EPR - 2 sq. m at a distance of 350 - 400 km, lightning APG-81 does this only from a distance of 150 - 160 km. Moreover, we have a trump card in our hands - side-view antenna modules H036Б-1-01Л / 01Б, which bring the viewing sector to 270 degrees and allow us to scan parts of the airspace in the rear hemisphere. There is a “bonus” in the F-35A - an opto-electronic system with a distributed AN / AAQ-37 DAS aperture, represented by 6 high-resolution infrared sensors.

They will be able to detect Su-57 or J-20 from the contrasting torch of jet engines at a distance of more than a hundred kilometers; but there is one “but”: such a result can be achieved only in the afterburner modes of operation of the turbofans, while at the maximum the DAS capabilities will decrease to several tens of kilometers. As for the nomenclature of operating modes, here both our and Chinese radars have approximately equal capabilities with the APG-81: there are synthetic aperture modes (SAR), tracking of moving surface objects (GMTI), and possibly reverse synthetic aperture.

Even despite the fact that in the open press there is no official information about the possibility of using the receiving and transmitting modules of the H036 Belka station and Chinese radars in the mode of radiation of directional interference or bypassing the enemy’s interference using dips in the radiation pattern, in practice AFAR (unlike passive AFAR) allows it to be realized. Looking at such pale capabilities of the F-35A (in addition to low flight performance) supplied by the Japanese Air Force, it is not surprising that the States want to cross the Raptor and Lightning for the appearance of a much more dangerous tactical fighter equipped as the big-eared AN / ALR-94 raptor radiation warning / electronic reconnaissance station, as well as full-fledged “network” capabilities for the exchange of tactical information with other types of tactical aviation through radio channels MADL (for F-35A) and Link-16 (for linking to AWACS and Aegis aircraft ships (ships). The channel of information exchange IFDL, in order to preserve security in the advanced tactical unit of the US Air Force 5 generation, is likely to continue to be used only by F-22A crews. New details about the appearance of the advanced American “hybrid” for the Japanese Air Force will be known not earlier than 2020 of the year.

Information sources:
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=20348
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f22.html
https://vpk.name/news/198273_programma_sozdaniya_yaponskogo_istrebitelya_f3_zamorozhena.html
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  1. mvg
    mvg April 24 2018 05: 40
    +7
    If the head hurts, analgin helps. Again a funny article. For Black Eagle, data from Wikipedia or 国防部 shared it? At what neither Drying nor Eagle fly on serial engines.
    1. Titsen
      Titsen April 24 2018 06: 45
      +2
      Quote: mvg
      If the head hurts, analgin helps. Again a funny article. For Black Eagle, data from Wikipedia or 国防部 shared it? At what neither Drying nor Eagle fly on serial engines.


      Today I guessed right away - Damantsev's article!
      1. mvg
        mvg April 24 2018 07: 13
        +5
        you don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead. Articles by Damantsev, Kaptsov and Ryabov can not be guessed, and immediately call the author.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt April 24 2018 08: 27
          0
          Quote: mvg
          you don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead. Articles by Damantsev, Kaptsov and Ryabov

          Hooray. You all won. You Gods (I made two mistakes in a four-letter word)
          1. mvg
            mvg April 24 2018 08: 35
            +2
            Thanks, no applause. I can just say the bill. Understand the numbers? Or do you need to finish a couple of classes?
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 24 2018 13: 01
          +3
          Quote: mvg
          Articles by Damantsev, Kaptsov and Ryabov can not be guessed, and immediately call the author.

          But how to distinguish Damantsev’s article from Kaptsov’s article ... and vice versa ...? what
          1. mvg
            mvg April 24 2018 18: 47
            +9
            Well, what are you, really, how small? In the first case, pathos, a bunch of all kinds of abbreviations, names, scattering of signs, prediction of events. And the point of the article is that everything is gone, we are in the pope, if we do not catch a couple of aliens and do not use their technologies. Oleg has a different story: if the article is not about “armadillos”, from the series “Let's put everything that is possible into armor”, then there are more simple arguments, there is no such imposition of our views .. And he writes carefully to others (not about ships) themes.
            Ryabov’s is even simpler: water is water, all articles are obtained with the combinations Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V, Ctrl + X, paragraphs and sentences are duplicated, and although there are a lot of letters, there is no information in the article, there is no style, there are no thoughts. Just a business, nothing personal.
            PS: Oleg of these three is most useful.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 25 2018 00: 58
              +3
              Quote: mvg
              Well what are you really ......

              Ahhhh! But if there is a “difference”, then why after reading the articles the noodles on the ears are the same? what
            2. xtur
              xtur 2 August 2018 21: 37
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              > In the first case, pathos, a bunch of all sorts of abbreviations, names, a scattering of designations, anticipation of events.

              you’ll have to be grounded a little, so that you wouldn’t be very proud of yourself - I guess Damantsev’s articles in 90% of cases only by name. So in this matter you are simply yellow

              PS
              which is characteristic of useful information from you, as always zero. But this is the rare case when Damantsev’s article wasn’t thought up, but there is a very real reason to brainwash him. The reason is stated in the article - the proposal to create at the expense of the Japanese a hybrid of two pseudo-fifth generation aircraft.
              And the author’s interpretation of these facts is quite cautious, he’s afraid to say directly that the amers already do not have enough resources to get, at the expense of their own efforts, finally, a fifth-generation aircraft.
              1. mvg
                mvg 4 August 2018 09: 51
                -1
                from you useful information, as always zero

                What kind of useful information do you want from me, if everything is on the Internet, Google is not banned and the original is better than my retelling?
                create, at the expense of the Japanese, a hybrid of two pseudo-fifth generation aircraft

                This is only Damantsev could come up with. Japanese ATD-X by no means pulls to replace the "predator". And to replace the F-35, too. The Japanese for themselves and for others showed that they are able to create a 5th generation aircraft, no one ever wanted it in a series. It makes no sense to invest $ 40 billion in this project. Especially knowingly losing in comparison with the F-35. And the engines there are American.
                the amers already lack the resources to obtain, at the expense of their own efforts, finally, a fifth-generation aircraft.

                Themselves invented, or who suggested ???
                No one has more F-22 and F-35 class aircraft. If Jews praise the "penguin" (higher than expected), then no words.
                Su-57, J-20/31 bullshit ... And, if the Chinese have still a chance of success, then “drying” is the maximum setting batch. Not for money, nor for technology.
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 2 May 2018 13: 31
      0
      you read all this and understand that how far-fetched such topics may or may not be. The war plan will show that there is nothing new, and all sorts of idle thoughts to fill the vacuum on the forums is nonsense.
  2. askme
    askme April 24 2018 05: 41
    +5
    As usual for this author. Loud headline from NLP. But in fact - nonsense indefinite:
    New details about the appearance of the advanced American "hybrid" for the Japanese Air Force will be known no earlier than 2020.

    That is, the continuation of blah blah wait no earlier than 2020. As blah blasted about the deck F-22 at one time. Pshik in fact .. An article from the field of pure PR is presented as something serious ...
    1. Chertt
      Chertt April 24 2018 08: 25
      +7
      Huge respect to the author Evgeny Damantsev hi
      Quote: askme
      An article from the field of pure PR is presented as something serious ..

      The very idea of ​​resuming supplies, the modernized F-22, can already seriously affect the military aircraft industry around the world.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 24 2018 09: 39
        +10
        Quote: Chertt
        The very idea of ​​resuming supplies upgraded to the F-22

        This is not a modernization of the lizard, but the creation of the F-22 hybrid with the F-35, and this is not even 10 years of work. Perhaps the appearance of this hybrid will differ from both the lizard and the F-35. In fact, the conversation is about a new car.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt April 24 2018 09: 57
          +5
          Quote: NEXUS
          In fact, the conversation is about a new car.

          The information is very conditional, as you know, But the conversation is about the Glider and the F-22 engines, and the electronic-software filling of the F-35, Processing of the weapon compartments, etc.
          Quote: NEXUS
          it’s not even 10 years of work.

          And stretched deadlines and cut the budget. All in the best traditions. repeat Well, on the other hand, what is the US choice. F-15/16 will soon serve their own, F-35 on a plane to gain dominance in the sky, clearly does not pull. Apparently, some kind of "feint with ears", experts were waiting
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine April 24 2018 10: 34
            +7
            Quote: Chertt
            But the conversation is about Glider and F-22 engines, and the electronic-software filling F-35

            As far as I know, the conversation about the maximum unification of the Raptor and the penguin in electronics and software is ongoing. What is important is not only conversation. Somehow it’s not customary to mention that the current Raptor is the Raptor block 40. People work.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 24 2018 13: 07
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          In fact, the conversation is about a new car.

          Or maybe the Americans are going to "reanimate" under this "wave" of YF-23?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 24 2018 13: 42
            +3
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Or maybe the Americans are going to "reanimate" under this "wave" of YF-23?

            This is a different project from the word at all, and I don’t think that Lockhit will let someone go to the pie that he has been feeding for more than a dozen years.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 25 2018 01: 06
              +4
              M-d-ah! Then I really missed ... how could I not take into account that the YF-23 is another "firm"!
        3. Lock36
          Lock36 April 24 2018 14: 34
          +2
          IMHO it is more correct to talk about the creation of the successor to the F-22, taking into account new technologies, including those implemented in the F-35. These machines will have nothing more in common.
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 24 2018 12: 16
        +3
        Quote: Chertt
        Huge respect to the author Evgeny Damantsev

        May God give you health!
        Quote: Chertt
        The very idea of ​​resuming supplies, the modernized F-22, can already seriously affect the military aircraft industry around the world.
        The issue of modernization does not fit here. When you cross a hedgehog and a snake, you get 3 m of barbed wire ... This is no less a new airplane. And most importantly, all this is not even agreed upon and not approved .... And even if it does, then guessing about the characteristics at the idea level simply does not make sense ... Well, desires ..., well, it’s always welcome, there’s still room for opportunity find ... Well, keep in mind that others, too, do not stand still, that there will be someone in 10-20 years, we shall see and see. yes
        1. Chertt
          Chertt April 24 2018 12: 22
          +1
          Quote: NIKNN
          And even if it does, then guessing about the characteristics at the idea level simply does not make sense ... Well, desires ..., well, this is always welcomed, there remains the opportunity to find ..

          Well, the whole discussion on this article revolves around that. Solid assumptions wink
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 24 2018 12: 32
            +3
            Quote: Chertt
            Well, the whole discussion on this article revolves around that. Solid assumptions

            Well, yes, in general ... In the article, in fact, only someone’s idea may have pluses, but the implementation ... Change the sight or IR detection sensor or add it somewhere ..., the program is automatically reprogrammed if not something more LMS (I don’t even touch the glider, but it’s very serious even with the addition of a sensor, it starts with design studies and studies, and ends with a test program), it’s not so simple as on paper ... request And it made fun ...
            The Japanese have long dreamed of a "Raptor", and now they are offered its more advanced modification with a network-centric "filling" from the F-35A, and even without billions of dollars from your own budget!
            Is it with the Americans that they decided to win in money? laughing Well, like that ... hi
            1. Aqela
              Aqela April 25 2018 19: 50
              +1
              This is exactly good It is unlikely that the Americans will sponsor the Samurai movement! wassat
      3. askme
        askme April 24 2018 14: 43
        +3
        Quote: Chertt
        The very idea of ​​resuming supplies, the modernized F-22, can already seriously affect the military aircraft industry around the world.

        Exclusively in the fantasies of the author and his admirers) Because manned aircraft are no longer considered promising for new generations of fighter aircraft. Now in the bowels of the US military-industrial complex the sixth generation is born. Unmanned. With no options. On completely new technologies.

        This article is essentially not about advanced aircraft, new generation technology, but according to the history type of the 4th generation fighter for the Japanese Air Force based on the F-16. At its technology base, the Mitsubishi group released a Japanese version of the F-16 called the F-2. Which was by no means the newest, was not the last word of aircraft. And so, a colonial product ...

        Apparently, Lockheed Martin does not give rest from the fantasies of this 80s-90s project. Yes, only the Japanese want to sculpt their new “zero”. After all, they were thrown at the time with the F-22. They didn’t want to deliver. There is no reason for them to do the F-22 now, when their project is developing steadily, new technologies are being developed. Engines will take, of course, in the West, not ours. Sensors will take. And they will try hardware and system integration themselves. They, of course, can be bent. But then really something worthwhile will have to be transferred to Japan. It is unlikely to be decided, I think. They have a peculiar relationship with the Japanese. They do not give the Japanese the key to technology key. From the word "in general".

        For the Yankees themselves, this project is bullshit. They have 6 generations of money to spare for a plane. And here is the fifth replica. This is absolute nonsense.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt April 24 2018 15: 18
          +1
          Quote: askme
          Now in the bowels of the US military-industrial complex the sixth generation is born. Unmanned. With no options. On completely new technologies.

          Very similar to Hollywood, "the sixth generation appears from the bowels of the military-industrial complex." This does not happen. USA F-35 can not bring to mind. The notorious 6th. generation, this is the future and you need to live up to it.
          Quote: askme
          This article is essentially not about advanced aircraft, new generation technology

          You are absolutely right, the article is about pressing, today's problems. And how to solve them. Damantsev gave his vision, one of many (in the discussion, by the way, they constantly mentioned that there were few facts).
          Quote: askme
          There is no reason for them to do the F-22 now, when their project is developing steadily, new technologies are being developed.

          There are publications that are "poorly developed." Although again, only speculation.
          In any case, before the entry into operation of the semi-mythical sixth generation, it is necessary to replenish the fleet.
          1. askme
            askme April 24 2018 16: 40
            +1
            Well, you see, you yourself have confirmed my thesis. In addition, the Yankees never return to past technology. Unlike you and Damantsev, they are aware that aviation develops only with the transition to new technologies of a new generation. And they never return to the past (for example, skipping the unsuccessful 3rd generation in the USA, actually switching from 2nd to 4th, the same will happen with the F-35). That is why they are busy finishing up the F-35 and developing the sixth generation, and not the shit that you and Trinity Damantsev dedicate. Touching, but unconvincing, because it is not based on reality ...
  3. shinobi
    shinobi April 24 2018 06: 11
    +2
    Slowly, very slowly reacting! And thank God. And hybrids are very, very rarely better than their parents. In this case, what is called a cross of a hedgehog and a snake.
  4. parma
    parma April 24 2018 06: 28
    +8
    Sorry, but what's wrong? Taiwan and Japan have F-16 aircraft ... And as for the Su-57, it’s still experimental, and unfortunately I won’t be surprised if the hybrid gets into operation in the full sense of the word earlier .... Even Indians have already refused to buy Su-57 ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 24 2018 06: 40
      +8
      Quote: parma
      .And about the Su-57, so it is still experimental, and unfortunately I won’t be surprised if the hybrid gets into operation in the full sense of the word earlier .... Even the Indians refused to buy the Su-57 already ...

      what are you talking about ... at least read the topic before writing nonsense ...
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine April 24 2018 07: 57
        +5
        Quote: parma
        if the hybrid goes into operation in the full sense of the word earlier

        If the hybrid is what it seems to be (resuming production of the Raptor), then there is little doubt about it. A Raptor hybrid with a penguin - this is the Raptor, the current blocks.
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        at least read the topic

        I was a little interested.
      2. parma
        parma April 24 2018 08: 08
        +7
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: parma
        .And about the Su-57, so it is still experimental, and unfortunately I won’t be surprised if the hybrid gets into operation in the full sense of the word earlier .... Even the Indians refused to buy the Su-57 already ...

        what are you talking about ... at least read the topic before writing nonsense ...

        Assigning an index does not mean that the aircraft is fit for military service, this time ...
        Get new engines and rockets !? no it's two!
        Are there any production aircraft? No, it's three!
        Are there any foreign customers? No! Although not quite, it’s four ...
        The MiG-35 has also been called the MiG-35 for a dozen years, but this did not make it a finished plane!
  5. Strashila
    Strashila April 24 2018 06: 45
    +4
    Just the numbers ... India abandoned the 5th generation aircraft with a budget of 230 million green ... the reality of Japan in the already created car, and this is how many dozens of lard were invested ... another 40 lard is needed for fine-tuning. Perhaps it’s good that they jumped off ... let them buy one plane from the Americans and take pride in putting it in the hangar as an exhibit ... there will be no money for operation.
    1. parma
      parma April 24 2018 08: 10
      +7
      One F-35 is already in the hangar, there is an order for another 39 if I do not confuse .... You can continue to spray saliva on the stove, but the F-35 from this serial machine will not cease to be, no matter how bad it would be ...
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine April 24 2018 08: 43
        +5
        Quote: parma
        One F-35 in the hangar already exists

        8 active
    2. MadCat
      MadCat April 24 2018 09: 37
      +7
      Quote: Strashila
      Perhaps it’s good that they jumped off ... let them buy one plane from the Americans and take pride in putting it in the hangar as an exhibit ... there will be no money for operation.

      is it that Japan will not have money to operate? are you adequate at all? fool
      1. Strashila
        Strashila April 24 2018 10: 55
        +2
        Read the full text.
  6. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 24 2018 07: 00
    +1
    Too expensive toys in the US are obtained? A non-trivial move, yapps for a little money (relatively) will be using a state-of-the-art technology to design a plane. As a result, they welded up on the F35, and there will be an alternative. Well done, you can’t say anything.
    1. Cat
      Cat April 24 2018 07: 11
      +1
      Do not worry, “yapi” will find money for a new toy. Although it’s possible “the gingerbread truck on our street has already rolled over”, Japan will slow down the pace of launching new ships and submarines because of its Wishlist in aviation.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn April 24 2018 07: 56
      0
      The F22 / F35 export hybrid will be without “critical defense technologies”, that is, essentially the same “Cossack” inside but similar to the “Bentley” outside and it will depend only on the Japanese what to stuff this soap dish with :)
  7. Amateur
    Amateur April 24 2018 07: 02
    +8
    Again! Dear Admin! A huge request to write the authors is not at the end, but at the beginning of the article. Then you can save a lot of traffic without reading some articles.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher April 24 2018 10: 12
      +4
      Quote: Amateur
      A huge request to write the authors is not at the end, but at the beginning of the article. Then you can save a lot of traffic without reading some articles.

      C'mon, his style is recognizable by the title.
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  8. atesterev
    atesterev April 24 2018 07: 55
    +6
    in practice, AFAR (as opposed to passive AFAR)


    Passive AFARs (active phased array antennas) did not seem to be invented, either AFAR or VFAR. Please correct!
  9. Vard
    Vard April 24 2018 08: 10
    +1
    There are controversial moments in the article ... but the tendency ... that’s the main thing ... and the tendency is that the Pentagon recognized ... American planes in the future are inferior to both Russian ... and Chinese ...
    1. vadim dok
      vadim dok April 24 2018 16: 59
      +1
      Which Russian SU-57 planes are inferior to SERIAL American planes? Which one does not have an engine yet? Which exists ONLY in 10 experimental specimens, which is not known at all at all?
  10. tchoni
    tchoni April 24 2018 08: 58
    +3
    A much more important detail of such a proposal on the part of the Americans is Washington’s desire to establish parity in the combat potential of tactical aircraft of the transitional and 5th generations with the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Chinese Air Force in the western part of the Asia-Pacific region.
    Yes, in my opinion, they don’t need it))) They are the leaders of the race for the fifth generation (there are four hundred combat units, and only the gigimon ... And this year the series will go two hundred cars a year. will be added)
    So they are not striving for parity, not parity, dear Ger Damantsev.
    And as for the fears - that of our drying, they are clearly not very shy. To her before a combat aircraft - as to Beijing by crab))). Rather, a Chinese slack couple, the first of which is already entering the troops. It may be worse than American technology, but it is already in the army, and judging by everything, it will go there at an accelerated pace hi
  11. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher April 24 2018 10: 11
    +2
    Damantsev and that says it all ...
  12. Outsider
    Outsider April 24 2018 11: 23
    +2
    - In fact, the Japanese initiative to fund Lockheed Martin a new hybrid stealth, combining the advantages of the F-22 and F-35, is very beneficial primarily for the United States. We recall: in recent years, senators, members of the defense commission, “tearing their hair off in the ass,” in vain efforts to somehow correct the mistake made by Robert Gates (instead of the 391 F-22 required by the Air Force generals, he allowed only 187 for combatant aviation units ) But estimates showed that despite Lockheed Martin’s desire to re-deploy the mothballed F-22 production line, this renewal process would result in approximately $ 50 billion.

    And then the Japanese initiative together with japanese money- Naturally, then this new airplane (with any modifications) can rivet with might and main for the needs of the US Air Force!

    So, IMHO, this mutually beneficial Japanese initiative will certainly find its response in the US leadership ... smile
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 10 May 2018 14: 21
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      And what is bad? Lockheed will earn money, and the Japanese will not pay the banquet, but the Japanese.
  13. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 24 2018 11: 29
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    Needless to say, all these aviation innovations are intended for military operations. But it seems to me that in the first place
    ordinary commercial struggle for markets.
  14. Livonetc
    Livonetc April 24 2018 12: 13
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    Quote: parma
    Sorry, but what's wrong? Taiwan and Japan have F-16 aircraft ... And as for the Su-57, it’s still experimental, and unfortunately I won’t be surprised if the hybrid gets into operation in the full sense of the word earlier .... Even Indians have already refused to buy Su-57 ...

    Sorry.
    What did the Indians refuse to do?
    1. parma
      parma April 24 2018 12: 35
      +4
      India has officially launched the exit process of the commercial version of the Su-57 (which is FGFA). If, in brief, they are not satisfied with the timing of fine-tuning the aircraft and components, modern missiles ... Well, there are constant misunderstandings with the final price, which then jumped upwards and downwards by a couple of tens of billions of greenery ... An output in theory will make the aircraft more expensive for our VKS and, as a result, to a possible reduction in purchases, and the plan was not very large anyway ..
  15. Livonetc
    Livonetc April 24 2018 12: 38
    +2
    Quote: parma
    India has officially launched the exit process of the commercial version of the Su-57 (which is FGFA). If, in brief, they are not satisfied with the timing of fine-tuning the aircraft and components, modern missiles ... Well, there are constant misunderstandings with the final price, which then jumped upwards and downwards by a couple of tens of billions of greenery ... An output in theory will make the aircraft more expensive for our VKS and, as a result, to a possible reduction in purchases, and the plan was not very large anyway ..

    I rummaged around the network.
    It seems that initially the information was provided from British sources.
    No one says that Indians are ready to buy something, especially since there is nothing to buy.
    However, it passes with the following formulations.
    "" The Indian Air Force may later "revise" the FGFA project or purchase ready-made Su-57s after these aircraft go into service with the Russian army. "
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 24 2018 12: 42
      +4
      Here 300 posts were noisy
      https://topwar.ru/140286-ne-sootvetstvuet-pyatomu
      -pokoleniyu-indiya-vyshla-iz-programmy-fgfa.html
  16. Livonetc
    Livonetc April 24 2018 12: 47
    0
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Here 300 posts were noisy
    https://topwar.ru/140286-ne-sootvetstvuet-pyatomu
    -pokoleniyu-indiya-vyshla-iz-programmy-fgfa.html

    The noise is good.
    While you make noise, or even just hear, then a tramp is still alive!
    However, links to the janes.com resource.
    This is a resource of fine brit.
    It’s not just to spread rot for the Britons, in our opinion, in the Great Russian way, but it’s also not worth trusting.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 24 2018 13: 14
      +3
      Quote: Livonetc
      trust is not worth it.

      Have you seen other information officially from the government of India? Or what is your remark about?
  17. gladcu2
    gladcu2 April 24 2018 12: 54
    +1
    Golovnyak, the word is not literary. This word is a parasite. Using it all the more in the title of the article is very bad.
    It is necessary to monitor the purity of the tongue.
  18. Operator
    Operator April 24 2018 13: 27
    +1
    Detection of aircraft (especially at a distance of tens of kilometers) using opto-location stations is possible only in the absence of cloud cover. Moreover, the OLS includes not only optical sensors, but also laser rangefinders. Su-27, Su-30, Su-35, Su-57 and F-35 are equipped with OLS, F-22 - no.

    Airborne radars are used for all-weather aircraft detection, so the capabilities of fighters to detect the enemy are compared based on the characteristics of their radars, rather than optoelectronics (which is mainly intended for close air combat).

    The capabilities of airborne radars with AFAR of both domestic and western production are almost equal to each other (low power mode, synthesized aperture, REP, passive radar).

    The only difference is in the effective dispersion area (which determines the detection range by radar) of aircraft, in which the leaders are F-22, F-35 and Su-57 with EPR 0,2-0,5 sq. M with ammunition in the internal compartments against 10-15 sq. m have Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 with ammunition on the external sling.

    With one amendment - after turning on the onboard radar, the F-35 and Su-57 completely lose their advantage over the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35. The stealth mode requires a radar view of the airspace with the help of a DRLOU aircraft, which (being a low-maneuverable aircraft with a huge EPR and glowing like a searchlight in the radio range) is very vulnerable to ultra-long-range air-to-air missiles created on the basis of C- self-guided anti-aircraft missiles 400 with a range of up to 600 km.

    If the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 will be armed with such missiles, then the F-22 and F-35 will have to fly with the onboard radars switched on without covering the AWACS aircraft. As a result, air superiority will be won by those planes who have long-range missiles in long-range combat and better thrust-to-weight ratio in close combat.

    According to these two parameters, the leaders are Su-35 and Su-57 with RVV DB missiles (300 km) and all-round ATTs, in second place is F-22 with AIM-120D missiles (180 km) and single-shot ATTs, in third place is Su- 27 and Su-30 with RVV database and without UVT, in fourth place - F-35 with AIM-120D and without UVT.
    At the same time, the F-22 in the close battle loses to the rest of the fighters due to the lack of OLS for guiding short-range missiles.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 24 2018 13: 56
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      long-range air-to-air missiles, created on the basis of self-guided anti-aircraft missiles of the S-400 complex with a range of up to 600 km.

      Oh, what? And directly created, in the past tense?
      Quote: Operator
      If the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 are armed

      Are the dimensions of such a rocket?
      Quote: Operator
      F-22 and F-35 will have to fly with the onboard radars turned on without covering by AWACS

      As a result, the Americans will begin to screw on the Abraham the possibility of intercepting such missiles in order to protect the AWACS. Strictly speaking, already. AWAC, by the way, is good at electronic warfare, if you did not know.
      1. Operator
        Operator April 24 2018 14: 41
        0
        Su-27 takes on board the P-270 "Mosquito" weighing 4,5 tons, he will take on board the anti-aircraft 40Н6Е in a TPK with a total weight of 2,6 tons with a homing seeker - like two fingers on asphalt. Do not forget also the Mig-31, which provides a stratospheric launch of heavy rockets at supersonic speeds, including the Iskander-M weighing 3,8 tons.

        So launching the 40Н6Е in the air-to-air mode at a distance of 600 km (outside the AWACS detection zone) on a low-maneuverable AWACS aircraft is quite possible. On the ascending portion of the flight path, radio command guidance of the rocket from the carrier aircraft to the radar of the AWACS radar is carried out, on the descending side is the passive homing of the missile to the radar of the AWACS radar, and on approach to the target, the active radar homing of the rocket with the help of the RGSN is carried out.

        And taking into account the large kinetic energy of a rocket flying at a speed of 2 km / s and attacking from the upper hemisphere, its available overload when approaching the target will be at the level of the available overload of American air-to-air missiles, which ensures that 40Н6Е is not intercepted.

        What kind of electronic warfare is possible against the 40H6E centimeter-wide RGSN from the AWACS side, equipped with a decimeter-range radar? laughing
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine April 24 2018 15: 00
          +2
          Quote: Operator
          On the ascending portion of the flight path, radio command guidance of the rocket from the carrier aircraft to the radar radiation of the AWACS is carried out

          And the AWAC has been flying all this time and knows nothing about how convenient it is. To you for information. A range of 400 km is not for stratospheric purposes.
          Quote: Operator
          lack of interception 40N6E.

          Again 40H6. She exists?
          Quote: Operator
          What kind of electronic warfare is possible against a 40N6E centimeter RGSN from AWACS,

          You won’t believe it, but just the AWACS among the bourgeoisie is the main one for electronic warfare now.
          1. Operator
            Operator April 24 2018 17: 16
            0
            The flight time of 40H6E to a range of 600 km with a supersonic stratospheric launch along a ballistic trajectory will be 10 minutes. During this time, AWACS will have time to fly from its original point no further than 150 km. Consequently, the line of the air launch 40Н6Е should be located at a distance of 450 km from this point.
            Acceleration of the MiG-31 from the cruising speed 950 km / h to the maximum speed 2700 km / h at an altitude of 18 km will take about 5 minutes, during which time the MiG will fly about 200 km.
            A bomber-type aircraft is detected by a modernized AWACS at a distance of 650 km. therefore, the AWACS aircraft have no chance to escape from 60Н6Е when it is launched from the MiG-31.

            Question from March 2 of this year - Do the “Dagger", "Poseidon" and "Petrel" exist? bully

            Once again, the electronic warfare is conducted by AWACS in the radiation range of its radar, which does not coincide with the radiation range of the 60Н6Е РГСН from the word at all.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine April 25 2018 08: 46
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              Question from March 2 of this year - Do the “Dagger", "Poseidon" and "Petrel" exist?

              Of course not. As a matter of fact, even the guarantor did not speak about taking all this into service as an event.
              Quote: Operator
              electronic warfare is conducted by AWACS in the radiation range of its radar,

              Well it is necessary, as it is convenient. The magic Khibiny is not limited by a radar, and AWAKS limits.
              Quote: Operator
              therefore, the AWACS aircraft have no chance of escaping from 60N6E when it is launched from the MiG-31.

              Well, I won’t succeed in protecting the real AWACS from an imaginary rocket, here you are right. I, unlike you, am limited to boring reality.
              1. Operator
                Operator April 25 2018 09: 26
                +1
                "Dagger" on experimental combat duty, C-400 with 40Н6Е - on combat.

                Specialized EW type "Khibin" emit in a wide range, auxiliary auxiliary type AWACS - in a narrow one.

                The further you go, the more you will be limited by your "reality" laughing
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 24 2018 15: 42
      +2
      "Stealth mode requires a radar view of the air
      space using the aircraft AWACS "////

      Deprecated F-35 in the group dispense with AWACS aircraft.
      They take turns turning on the radars in a pulsed fashion. Are reconnaissance
      the space in front of you (including a 3-dimensional scan of the earth with a radar) without revealing yourself. At night and in any weather.
      1. SETTGF
        SETTGF April 24 2018 21: 13
        +1
        voyaka! It's like, including a radar for radiation, not detecting yourself ...?! Due to what ?!
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 10 May 2018 10: 21
          0
          That's cool. He turned on the transmitter for radiation and remained undetected. Please explain without technical details simply - at the school physics course.
  19. ydjin
    ydjin April 24 2018 14: 20
    0
    Only the legs behind the head and captured?
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 24 2018 15: 01
      +3
      Quote: ydjin
      Only the legs behind the head and captured?

      They will not.
      In addition to the war, you definitely have no business with the Americans? Was the floor in the apartment washed for a long time?
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 24 2018 15: 35
    +3
    If such a hybrid could be made, then the Americans
    would make it for yourself first of all.
    Combining advanced F-35 avionics with an F-22 glider is a great idea.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 24 2018 15: 56
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      would make it for yourself first of all.

      Already engaged
  21. colorado
    colorado April 24 2018 15: 39
    +1
    but I liked the article
  22. Gennadich
    Gennadich April 24 2018 16: 12
    0
    and again in the comments about cutting the budget in the USA ... here explain to me how to put these people into the head what the printing press they have?
    1. askme
      askme April 24 2018 16: 45
      0
      All this also has limits, to which they came close ...
      1. Gennadich
        Gennadich April 25 2018 02: 46
        0
        perhaps, but so far it does not feel
  23. Operator
    Operator April 24 2018 17: 40
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    F-35 in the group dispense with AWACS aircraft. They turn on the radars in turn

    Why, when flying aircraft in the same group, turn on the radars of all aircraft in turn - in order to make it easier to recount? laughing

    You probably wanted to say that when flying in a group, only one F-35 can turn on the radar to not disclose the total number of aircraft in the group.

    But there is an ambush - as soon as one F-35 radar starts to operate, immediately Sushek radars will switch from the overview mode to the scanning mode of the radiation sector of the F-35 radar, and with a much higher resolution than in the overview mode.

    After that, an RVV-DB missile with a range of highly maneuverable targets in the front hemisphere 35 km will be sent to the F-75 emission sector, to which F-35 will have no answer, since the range of the AIM-120D for a highly maneuverable target in the front hemisphere is only 45 km - the radars of Sushek will copy the F-35 at a distance twice / three times greater.
  24. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 25 2018 08: 28
    0
    It is quite logical. The F-35 program is being deployed in series and we need to move on.
  25. Tomato
    Tomato April 26 2018 21: 04
    +1
    The author is a cheerful person. Frightened !!!!! For some reason, in Israel, a country that exists as long as it fights, F - 35 was called the best aircraft that exists in the world today. And the Jews know how to fight, and in the arms they understand something.
    As orders expand, the price of the F 35 will fall. And India has already abandoned Su 57. No one else will buy it. What will be its price for such a series? How many will be built, and when .....
    PS In 2011, Admiral Vysotsky promised to adopt at least 2018 nuclear submarines of the Severodvinsk class by 8.
    Who will tell you what all 8 are called? Something I can not find information.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 10 May 2018 10: 26
      0
      And who else will sell the 5th generation aircraft to the Jews? Or do it yourself? And they have a lot of enemies, here you are right. There will be even more, with this attitude towards neighbors, so there is nothing to choose from among the Jews. And since they’ve bought it, then it’s necessary to “praise the whole of Ivanovo” and more horror stories that everyone would be afraid of. But horror stories without details, simply “there can be nothing better than f-35, because there can’t be anything at all. So we bought it. And he hasn’t fought in the Middle East yet, just scare him — that’s what we have !!! !
      1. Tomato
        Tomato 10 May 2018 19: 52
        0
        And who else has a 5th generation airplane?
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 10 May 2018 20: 47
          0
          see point one