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India: The United States can offer us nothing that compares to C-400

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In the Indian press, citing senior officials in the Department of Defense, it speaks of the claims that the Indian Ministry presented to the United States. The reason for bringing claims to Washington from New Delhi was that the United States made India understand unambiguously the following: if you cooperate in the military-technical sphere with Russia and buy weapons from Russia, anti-Indian measures will be taken in response.


We are talking about the requirements of the United States to comply with anti-Russian sanctions - according to the so-called CAATSA Act. To put it simply, its purpose is to extend sanctions to those who enter into trade relations with Russia in the arms market and in the energy sector. India has such a relationship for many years, and today declares its interest in acquiring the C-400 air defense system.

The Indian National Security Council adopted a document stating that if the United States is talking about partnership with India, then this partnership cannot go against national security.

Former Indian Ambassador to the Russian Federation Pundi S. Raghavan:
The CAATSA act is focused on all countries that have military and energy ties with Russia. And while the US may argue that they have a strategic motive, they cannot deny that they are pursuing their own commercial goals in the first place. The United States actually says: do not trade with them, trade with us, come close to us.


India: The United States can offer us nothing that compares to C-400


It is reported that at the level of the US Secretary of Foreign Affairs, the official position was passed that American sanctions could not and should not affect bilateral relations between India and Russia, including relations in the military-technical sphere.

Pundi Raghavan:
The United States cannot offer India anything to match the C-400 missile system. But the processes are much more complicated. The United States is ready to dispute or even try to discourage a deal, with the help of such tools as the State Department, Congress, the Pentagon, and others. To try to push the interests of their private companies.


It should be recalled that the day before there was information about India’s withdrawal from the FGFA joint project with Russia - the fifth generation fighter. In New Delhi, said that the proposed Russian option can not be attributed to the fifth generation. A number of experts considered that this decision of India could be connected with the American pressure in the CAATSA format.
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  1. Tarasve
    Tarasve April 22 2018 17: 27
    +12
    India and wants and pricks and the State Department does not order. They want to sit on two chairs, but it doesn’t work out. whatNow they refuse planes, but try to buy S-400. They will haggle with aircraft or planes or missiles.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 22 2018 17: 33
      +5
      Quote: TarasVE
      India and wants and pricks and the State Department does not order. They want to sit on two chairs, but it doesn’t work out. what

      Hindus are looking for a freebie. A sizzling venture for 3 lard patriots. lol
      1. Hire
        Hire April 22 2018 17: 42
        +7
        using tools such as the State Department, Congress, the Pentagon and others to try to push through the interests of their private companies.

        I did not expect such directness and spontaneity from the Indians. smile
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K April 22 2018 18: 46
          +6
          Quote: Hire
          ... I did not expect such directness and spontaneity from the Indians. smile...

          If the Indians were dopeki with their innate craving for preludes, then the marinas really already "do not see the coast" winked
          Hindus themselves are good blackmailers and see this from afar yes
          The soul could not stand, scolded competitors laughing
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 April 22 2018 19: 14
            +4
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            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K April 22 2018 19: 42
              +3
              Quote: Svarog51
              ... My friend is "calm, only calm." hi Time will dot its selves. good drinks...

              Friend hi
              I'm calm like that Chinese bully
              I’m sitting on the shore and waiting for the river to blow before my eyes, the corpse of my enemy drinks
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 April 22 2018 19: 45
                +5
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                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K April 22 2018 20: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  ... Help, Schaub expectation to reduce? And then there’s no time for rest. good drinks...

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      2. Slovak
        Slovak April 22 2018 18: 25
        +5
        Quote: sgazeev
        Quote: TarasVE
        what

        Hindus are looking for a freebie. A sizzling venture for 3 lard patriots. lol

        Hindus don't look for freebies. This is one of the largest buyers in the world, in particular, weapons. And, of course, whoever pays is the one who orders the music. The buyer is capricious, each tender is accompanied either by scandal, or by transfers and re-elections, but billions are paid and all arms sellers dance around them.
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher April 22 2018 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: Slovak
          Hindus don't look for freebies

          They are very looking. So we offered them that, and they cut the price and the conditions are unrealistic, they have missile assembly, and our guarantee is for life. That is, if their crooked hands appear in the product, then we will respond. On this, they burned with the French, also on Rafali made in India they demanded a French guarantee, but they sent them and did it right. With the United States, this definitely will not burn out for them, but they twist our eggs, they know what they can.
        2. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 22 2018 21: 15
          0
          India: The United States can offer us nothing that compares to C-400

          Tourette gambit?
      3. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher April 22 2018 20: 41
        0
        Quote: sgazeev
        Sizzling ventureyurl for 3 lard patriots

        If you're talking about Poles, then for 4,7 billion two batteries.
    2. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don April 22 2018 17: 46
      +5
      Hindus need to determine whether they drive tricks with the US State Department or they have a peaceful sky above their heads, India really has only one opponent, this is Pakistan, and he clearly knows what he wants to buy, unlike them.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 22 2018 18: 50
        +4
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        Hindus need to determine whether they drive tricks with the US State Department or they have a peaceful sky above their heads, India really has only one opponent, this is Pakistan, and he clearly knows what he wants to buy, unlike them.

        They are also kindly and under the elbow of the United States pushing the conflict with China.
  2. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka April 22 2018 17: 28
    +3
    Well, the gypsy bargaining will begin, where the Indians will declare that the c400 is not so much better than the Amersky))) fellow
    1. Shahno
      Shahno April 22 2018 17: 45
      +3
      Yeah .. And then they decide to buy that thread from us ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 22 2018 17: 51
        +4
        Quote: Shahno
        Yeah .. And then they decide to buy that thread from us ...

        Buy or bargain?
        1. Shahno
          Shahno April 22 2018 17: 55
          +13
          They have debugged the scheme ... Now they will praise yours, then the staff, then ours ... Then they will blame in the reverse order. Until someone’s nerves give up. And what to bargain with us, only time to lose ...
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII April 22 2018 20: 57
            +4
            Quote: Shahno
            They have debugged the scheme ... Now they will praise yours, then the staff, then ours ... Then they will blame in the reverse order. Until someone’s nerves give up. And what to bargain with us, only time to lose ...
            Thanks, laughed! laughing good hi
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny April 22 2018 23: 36
            +3
            Then prepare a “rollback”, sorry - “a bonus to the best customers”.
          3. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor April 23 2018 14: 14
            0
            Here it is not necessary not to change anything, it is not easy to reconsider, the conditions are agreed upon;
      2. Tusv
        Tusv April 22 2018 18: 19
        0
        Quote: Shahno
        Yeah .. And then they decide to buy that thread from us ...

        So already two years, as vparil
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi April 22 2018 18: 25
          +2
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: Shahno
          Yeah .. And then they decide to buy that thread from us ...

          So already two years, as vparil

          We do not have a system like C-400. "Barack-8" was bought by army men, but not air defense
          1. Shahno
            Shahno April 22 2018 18: 31
            0
            Not yet. We are trying to do something in terms of slings and hets. But how it goes is not yet clear.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv April 22 2018 18: 41
              0
              Quote: Shahno
              Not yet. We are trying to do something in terms of slings and hets. But how it goes is not yet clear.

              And why is this a scumbag? The French have long been done. After all, it’s already 10 years as Number Sri in the world of air defense, truth, the Chinese will make you in a couple of years
          2. Tusv
            Tusv April 22 2018 18: 31
            +2
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            We do not have a system like C-400. "Barack-8" was bought by army men, but not air defense

            Our army team also does not have an S-400. So S-300V4 bully
        2. Shahno
          Shahno April 22 2018 18: 31
          0
          As part of this deal, Israel will provide India with an anti-aircraft missile system ground-to-air MR-SAM, according to 23 February NRG.

          The Government of India believes that the Israeli system will be ready for the 2023 year, when all missile launchers will be distributed in all strategically important areas of the country. The decision to purchase Israeli missile defense systems, as indicated on an Indian website, was made by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi "to protect the country's airspace from enemy aircraft."
          It is noted that negotiations on the deal began back in the 2009 year and were conducted by specialists of the air industry - both from India and from Israel. The Israeli anti-aircraft missile system is capable of shooting down aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles and other types of air objects, as well as controlling their appearance in the range from 50 to 70 km.
          It is also reported that the military industry in Israel and India is developing a system of missile launchers of the Earth-Air type LR-SAM for the navy.
          Last November, Israeli President Reuven Rivlin paid an official visit to India at the invitation of his Indian counterpart, Farnab Mukenji. Within the framework of the visit, cooperation between countries in various aspects, including in the military, was also discussed.
          And even earlier - a year before the visit of the Israeli president, Farnar Mukenji visited Israel, who in his welcoming speech to the Knesset said: “The connection between our peoples should not be interrupted, it began in ancient 2000 years ago, when Jews landed in the western the shore of our country. The Jewish people have always been and will be a part of our society. "India has always been very respectful and respectful of Israeli innovations in all areas of life - in art, culture and science."
          It would certainly be interesting ...
          1. kventinasd
            kventinasd April 22 2018 20: 06
            0
            Then the Indians will understand their mistake and buy the C400 when it is already in Pakistan. Do you know how to make good rockets in Israel? I doubt something very much.
            1. askme
              askme April 22 2018 20: 44
              0
              Stupidity. Hindus will buy the S-400. There is really nothing better. Confirmed in Syria. Where the S-400 Yankees do not fly) Soot) And Israel immediately epilepsy from the same name)
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS April 22 2018 21: 10
              +2
              Quote: kventinasd
              Then the Indians will understand their mistake and buy the C400 when Pakistan already has it

              By the year 23, it will no longer be the S-400 complex, but rather the S-450, taking into account the development of new missiles, radar, etc.
      3. lance
        lance April 22 2018 18: 26
        +2
        at israel? and what is comparable to -400?
  3. Pivot
    Pivot April 22 2018 17: 28
    +3
    It seems to me that the American clowning will come to an end soon.
    1. Xroft
      Xroft April 22 2018 17: 43
      +2
      or our export, who has more economic leverage?
      1. evgeny68
        evgeny68 April 22 2018 18: 15
        +3
        Each action causes a reaction. Do you really think that the Russians will sit and chew their snot while they sanction them. And there is a cunning American opa ... with a screw.
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher April 22 2018 20: 39
          +2
          Quote: evgeny68
          Do you really think that the Russians will sit and chew their snot while wrapping them in sanctions

          And what is there to think, everything is already visible, they are sitting and chewing. Chubais and Serdyukov chewed and continued to sit ...
      2. Lock36
        Lock36 April 22 2018 18: 30
        +1
        It should be understood that before, mainly friends of the USA and NATO countries bought from us, right?
        Look at Turkey - do you think they will abandon our facilities?
  4. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 22 2018 17: 30
    +3
    If the Indians so want the S-400, then they need to put something into the load, as they say, for 1-1,5 billion green. Superjet, for example, or MC-21 ... winked
    1. Chertt
      Chertt April 22 2018 17: 40
      +2
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      If the Indians so want the S-400, then they need to put something into the load, as they say,

      Ours to such heights of commerce have not yet grown. Its high-quality and cheap, it’s not always possible to sell
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 22 2018 17: 50
      +6
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Superjet, for example, or MC-21 ...

      With these airliners everything is fine. Orders for 3-4 years in advance.
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 April 22 2018 21: 06
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        With these airliners everything is fine. Orders for 3-4 years in advance.

        oh well ... if you take into account that the MC21 has not yet passed the international "certification", and there the Amerans are in charge, they will not sign it and ms21 will die without birth, since there will be no export, but for the domestic market they need to be like minibuses (what would B + work) - which is not really possible at all !!
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 22 2018 21: 08
          0
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          come on..

          Orders for the MS-21 have already accumulated 185 million and not rubles (if I am not mistaken in the figure) ... ask yourself a simple question - will the developers of this machine refuse such money? With the Super Jet, the story is about the same ...
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 April 23 2018 07: 59
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            ask yourself a simple question - will the developers of this machine refuse such money?

            that doesn’t depend on them, on a word in general !!
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 22 2018 17: 48
    +1
    It is also important that all this sanctions fuss and its overt financial interest become clear to everyone. Just unfair competition. But all this will work only if a large part of the world ignores ovskie Wishlist ...
    1. Slovak
      Slovak April 22 2018 18: 33
      0
      28 NATO members (excluding the United States) are implicitly buying from the United States. Most countries in Asia, Africa, South America and Australia. Which of them is ready to easily ignore?
  6. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 22 2018 17: 49
    +3
    When you try to sit on three chairs, either the backside will tear, or the chairs will be corroded. Allies are half worse than opponents, since you know what to expect from the latter ...
  7. APASUS
    APASUS April 22 2018 17: 51
    +1
    India is gaining a price for earlier!
    In that battle of swords, her role is not yet obvious, but they are trying to charter it earlier. The Indians understand this, but cannot make decisions. The ally, though significant, is slippery as a snake.
  8. Tarasve
    Tarasve April 22 2018 17: 58
    0
    Hindus now do not envy. On the one hand, Pakistan (which has congressional sanctions on the drum), on the other, China (which has its own armament), and here axes flock that don’t know where to fly. recourse
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 22 2018 18: 26
      +2
      Quote: TarasVE
      Hindus now do not envy. On the one hand, Pakistan (which has congressional sanctions on the drum), on the other, China (which has its own armament), and here axes flock that don’t know where to fly. recourse

      Of course, Pakistan doesn’t care. He is buying air defense systems from China.
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher April 22 2018 20: 36
      0
      Quote: TarasVE
      and here the axes fly that don’t know where

      You mixed up the training manual, here we are talking about anti-aircraft missile systems.
  9. LMN
    LMN April 22 2018 18: 07
    +10
    But Putin, in the film "World Order", to Solovyov’s question about the "war against Russia," replied: "This is not a war against Russia, or against another country. This is just unscrupulous competition!"
    And he's damn right what It already climbs out frankly.

    Including, advice to the “all-proverbial”: not everything our president says is propaganda and chatter. You just need to listen carefully and try to understand what is meant by one or another of his statements wink
  10. shirkoled
    shirkoled April 22 2018 18: 24
    +1
    India is a very mean and cunning country! She would eat a fish and climb a Christmas tree !!! If Russia moves up several orders of magnitude in price, then the Indians will buy with great pleasure both the S-400 and the Su-53, but be sure to come along with the technical documentation !!!
    1. lance
      lance April 22 2018 18: 29
      +1
      do you think at christmas tree? they will be lucky then. from the United States, I think there is a frank Russian version of "on x .." sit down.
  11. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 22 2018 18: 56
    +1
    Think Indians, think. Not a single country that went to the mattresses about it had any benefit, except for a bunch of problems and financial and political hemorrhoids.
  12. Altona
    Altona April 22 2018 19: 00
    0
    Quote: ancestors from the Don
    Hindus need to determine whether they drive tricks with the US State Department or they have a peaceful sky above their heads, India really has only one opponent, this is Pakistan, and he clearly knows what he wants to buy, unlike them.

    ------------------------------------
    This is called “diversification of supplies,” so as not to depend on one arms supplier.
  13. New Year day
    New Year day April 22 2018 19: 00
    +1
    gypsies are gypsies. At will, to fool and something to get free then to them worthy rivals banderlog.
    There is no trade without deception
  14. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 22 2018 19: 38
    0
    If a country as powerful as India is under pressure from the United States in terms of purchases from Russians, I’m afraid to imagine how the US rinks to smaller countries that suddenly express a desire to buy “something” from Russia ...
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher April 22 2018 20: 58
      0
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      I’m afraid to imagine what kind of skating rink the Americans travel to smaller countries that suddenly express a desire to buy “something” from Russia ...

      We have different markets and there are no intersections of interests.
  15. askme
    askme April 22 2018 19: 43
    0
    FGFA was originally for India just a way to extort our latest technology for nothing. Therefore, its closure is good. When we return to it, we will conduct work on a completely different basis.

    And in any case, the Indians will buy the S-400. For a high, good price. The squalor of Patriot is not worthless to any sane state.

    The good news is that because of the senility of the United States, the Indians with them will tear apart the military-technical cooperation. Everything goes to this))

    The trick is that India is now being inflated by Western campaigns as a counterbalance to China, giant capital is being pumped by the West to India. Very piquant dissonance ...
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher April 22 2018 20: 59
      0
      Quote: askme
      And in any case, the Indians will buy the S-400. For a high, good price.

      They will never buy, except for nothing
  16. NF68
    NF68 April 22 2018 20: 17
    0
    Soon there will be no countries on the planet that the United States would not threaten with sanctions. So it is after all and you can tear.
  17. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher April 22 2018 20: 33
    0
    India: The United States can offer us nothing that compares to C-400

    This is called a lie from the header.
    1. Pundi Srinivasan Raghavan, cited in the article, has not represented India since 2016, and therefore, the authors claiming that he speaks frankly on behalf of the country.
    2. The article does not contain a link where and under what circumstances Pundi Srinivasan Raghavan said this, therefore there is no confidence in the involvement of these phrases in the former ambassador.
    Why cook up such "news"? To justify the loss of the Indian market with US sanctions? So he is lost even before the sanctions. Even with all the desire, India will not go against the United States for the sake of a penny contract with the Russian Federation, here China passes and raises its hands.
    India will not buy s400, it is obvious.
    1. LMN
      LMN April 22 2018 20: 56
      +3
      Quote: Puncher
      India: The United States can offer us nothing that compares to C-400

      This is called a lie from the header.
      1. Pundi Srinivasan Raghavan, cited in the article, has not represented India since 2016, and therefore, the authors claiming that he speaks frankly on behalf of the country.
      2. The article does not contain a link where and under what circumstances Pundi Srinivasan Raghavan said this, therefore there is no confidence in the involvement of these phrases in the former ambassador.
      Why cook up such "news"? To justify the loss of the Indian market with US sanctions? So he is lost even before the sanctions. Even with all the desire, India will not go against the United States for the sake of a penny contract with the Russian Federation, here China passes and raises its hands.
      India will not buy s400, it is obvious.

      Actually, the news is showing "unscrupulous competition" on the part of the United States. And this is the "core" of the article. And it’s not a question: Sly Indians or not and whether to buy them from us S-400.
      It is much more convenient to customize the news to your own thoughts than to try to think?) laughing
  18. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 22 2018 21: 47
    0
    Apparently, they wanted THAAD from the Americans, and they were offered Patriot.
    1. askme
      askme April 22 2018 22: 57
      0
      Perhaps so, by the way ...
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn April 23 2018 08: 09
      +1
      Clarification - Indians wanted THAAD TECHNOLOGIES from the Americans, but got a beard. And they also want the Russian S-400 with technology, so there is still a need to look, because our technologies are 100% likely to be immediately with the Americans.
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  20. Oleg Kozlov
    Oleg Kozlov April 23 2018 14: 53
    +1
    India is a very moody buyer. That queen of the British will forbid to buy Russian weapons, and they will not buy. Brains just hover, but they spend time.