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Tragedy of the red marshal

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The career of Marshal Vasily Blucher, one of the most famous Soviet military leaders of 1920-1930-s, collapsed as rapidly as it took off. Its final was an unsuccessful operation on Lake Hassan in 1938 year. During the battles with Japanese troops, Soviet units suffered heavy losses. The Red Army lost 960 people, while the Japanese side killed 650 people. According to the Soviet leadership, Marshal Vasily Blucher, commander of the Far Eastern Front, was directly responsible for the failure.


31 August 1938 in Moscow, at the Main Military Council of the Red Army, a “debriefing” took place. It was attended by Stalin, Voroshilov, Budyonny, Shchadenko, Shaposhnikov, Kulik, Loktionov, Pavdov, Molotov, Frinovsky. Marshal Blucher was also called. On the agenda was the question of what happened on Lake Hassan, why Soviet troops suffered such losses and how the commander of the Far Eastern Front, Blücher, acted. By the way, Blucher was already removed from the post of commander, at the time of the "debriefing".

Tragedy of the red marshal


Indeed, the operation on Lake Hassan was not very successful due to the actions of the commander. Marshal Ivan Konev, for example, believed that Blucher simply did not have enough modern military knowledge - he stopped at the level of twenty years ago, the events of the Civil War, and this led to disastrous consequences for Soviet soldiers. The self-confidence of the marshal also played a role. He often acted independently and even contrary to the position of the central leadership of the country. For example, when 20 on July 1938 of Japan gave the USSR an ultimatum, demanding to transfer part of Soviet territory to Lake Hassan to Japan, Marshal Blucher, who commanded the Far Eastern Front, made an absolutely adventurous decision to try to resolve the conflict between the USSR and Japan.

Needless to say, the front commander did not and could not have the authority for such negotiations. But Blucher, without informing Moscow, sent a special commission to the border, which established that the alleged Soviet border guards were to blame for violating the border by three meters. After that, Blucher made a new mistake - he contacted Moscow and began demanding the arrest of the head of the border area. But the Soviet leadership did not understand the Marshal’s initiative and did not approve, demanding that Blücher immediately withdraw the commission and begin his direct duties - organizing military resistance to the impending Japanese attack.

From where Marshal Blucher had such a desire for self-willed, independent actions, and even in the 1938 year, when power was as hard as possible for any deviations from the course. Many party and military leaders were punished for far less deeds and far less strange initiatives. Apparently, Blucher was sure of his unsinkability - after all, luck smiled at him for a long time, with a wide smile. So, shortly before the events on Lake Hassan, in December 1937, Vasily Blucher was elected a deputy to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, and later incorporated into the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. Obviously, this circumstance also allowed Blucher to consider himself not only as a military leader, but also as a political figure.

Vasily Blucher was among the first five Soviet commanders who were given the rank of marshals. 21 November 1935, the Marshal's titles were received by the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Kliment Voroshilov, the Chief of Staff of the Red Army Alexander Egorov, the Deputy People's Commissar of Defense Mikhail Tukhachevsky, the Inspector of the Red Army Cavalry Semyon Budyonny and the Commander of the Special Far Eastern Army Vasily Blucher. Moreover, the position held by Blucher did not imply such a high rank. It is obvious that Stalin considered Blucher as a very promising military leader, who in the foreseeable future, firstly, could make great victories over the likely adversary - Japan, and secondly - to occupy a higher position in the system of the People's Commissariat of Defense. At that time, Vasily Blucher was envied by many military leaders - the commander of the Special Far Eastern Army enjoyed the obvious sympathy of Stalin. At the same time, almost all the 1920 and 1930s of Blucher spent in the Far East - he never received the “Moscow” appointment and higher posts in the Defense Commissariat.

For almost two decades spent in the Far East, Blucher, apparently, felt almost the "owner" of this huge and rich region. It’s no joke - since 1921, to be the "main military authority" of the entire Soviet Far East. 27 June 1921 31-year-old Vasily Blucher, who previously commanded the 51 Infantry Division that fought in the Crimea, was appointed Chairman of the Military Council, Commander-in-Chief of the People’s Revolutionary Army of the Far Eastern Republic and the Minister of Military Affairs of the FER. Thus began the Far Eastern, the longest, epic in the life and career of Vasily Blucher.

When, in 1890, in the village of Barshchinka, Rybinsk district, Yaroslavl province, the son of a peasant Konstantin Blucher and his wife Anna Medvedeva was born a son, Vasily, no one could imagine that in thirty years he would occupy the post of general. Year of study in the parish school - that's all the education of the future red marshal in those years. Then there was the “school of life” - a boy in a shop, a laborer at a machine-building plant in St. Petersburg, a mechanic at a car-building plant in Mytishchi. Young Blucher, like many representatives of the working youth of that time, was carried away by revolutionary ideas. He was fired from a factory in St. Petersburg for taking part in rallies, and in 1910 was arrested for appealing for a strike. However, in modern literature they also cite another version - that no worker and, especially, a revolutionary, at that time Vasily Konstantinovich Blyukher was, but served as a clerk of one merchant, fulfilling intimate duties, incidentally.

In 1914, the First World War began. 24-year-old Vasily Blucher was to be called up for military service. He was enlisted in the 56 th Kremlin reserve battalion, and then sent to the 19 th Kostroma regiment of the 5 th infantry division in the rank of private. Soon he was awarded the St. George Medal of the IV degree, was awarded the St. George's Cross of the III and IV degree and was promoted to junior non-commissioned officer. However, if the fact of awarding a medal is reliable, historians do not find documentary information about the crosses of St. George and awarding the rank of junior non-commissioned officer. In any case, the fact that Blücher was seriously injured by a broken grenade is reliable. Blucher was taken to a military hospital, where he was literally dragged from the dead. Because of the injuries received by Blücher, the commissioners are with a pension of the first category.

Returning to civilian life, he settled into a granite workshop in Kazan, then worked in a mechanical factory. In June 1916, Blucher became a member of the Russian Social-Democratic Labor Party of the Bolsheviks. He met the October Revolution in Samara, where he became a member of the Samara Military Revolutionary Committee, an assistant to the head of the Samara garrison and the head of the provincial security of the revolutionary order. Vasily Blucher’s military career in Soviet Russia began with these middle-level positions.

As commissioner of the consolidated detachment of the Ufa and Samara Red Guards, Blucher took part in the hostilities in the Urals, where he headed the Chelyabinsk Military Revolutionary Committee. The working detachments of the Southern Urals acted in an extremely difficult situation. In the Combined detachment of the South Urals partisans, Blucher became deputy commander. Gradually, the squad expanded and included in its membership 6 rifle, 2 cavalry regiment, artillery division. By September 1918, this working army numbered about 10 thousands of people and was soon transformed into the 4 Ural (from 11 November 1918 of the year - 30) rifle division. Vasily Blucher was appointed commander of the rifle division. So 28-year-old demobilized soldier, yesterday's worker with a one-year education, took the general's post by the standards of the old army commander of the rifle division.

During the 54 of the day, Blucher’s units traveled 1,5 thousands of kilometers across difficult-to-reach areas — mountains, forests, and swamps of the Southern Urals, defeating enemy regiments of 7. For this, the divisional commander Vasily Blucher was awarded the Order of the Red Banner under the number 1. Thanks to the Ural campaign, an unknown worker yesterday, unknown to anyone, instantly entered the military elite of young Soviet Russia. 6 July 1919, Blucher led the 51 Infantry Division from Tyumen to Lake Baikal. In July, the 1920 division was transferred to the southern front - to fight Wrangel, after the defeat of which the division was redeployed to Odessa, and Blucher, being its commander, became the head of the Odessa garrison.

In June 1921, he became chairman of the Military Council, commander-in-chief of the People’s Revolutionary Army of the Far Eastern Republic and military minister of the FER. It was under the command of Blucher that the white formations of Baron Ungern, General Molchanov and others that were operating in Transbaikalia, Mongolia, and the Far East were crushed. Volochaevskaya offensive operation became the high point of Blucher, after which the division commander was recalled to Moscow.

27 April 1923 was appointed Blücher temporarily performing the post of commander of the garrison of the city of Petrograd with the duties of commander of the 1 rifle corps, from 1922 he was included in the Central Executive Committee. In the autumn of 1924, Mr. Blucher, who had already had experience in hostilities in the Far East and Transbaikalia, was sent to China as a military adviser to Sun Yat-sen. In China, Blucher stayed until 1927, after which he served as assistant to the commander of the Ukrainian military district, I. E. Yakir, and on August 6, 1929 was appointed commander of the Special Far Eastern Army. All the following nine years of life Blucher spent in the Far East. In February, 1934 was elected a candidate member, and in the 1937 year - a member of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.).

Of course, for a person with no education, it was a colossal career, from which one could easily “dizzy”. This is what happened. Unfortunately, instead of engaging in raising his educational level, Blücher “went out of control” - he began to drink heavily. Meanwhile, the situation in the region is heating up. 25 March 1935 of the year Blucher was sent a directive on the actions of the Special Red Banner Far Eastern Army in the event of war with Japan, but he, as reported later by the Red Army Chief of Staff Egorov in a report to Voroshilov, "got sick of the disease you know" and did not go to the April 7 for communication. Naturally, such a lifestyle prevented the full command of the army. Nevertheless, 2 June 1937, Stalin gave such a description of the marshal: "Blucher is an excellent commander, he knows his district and does a great job of educating the troops." Before the collapse of the career remained a little over a year.

At the beginning of 1938, Blucher even asked Stalin about trusting himself, to which Joseph Vissarionovich responded that he fully trusted the marshal. 24 September 1938, after the famous “debriefing” following the battles on Lake Hassan, recalled to Moscow, Blucher was given an apartment in the Government House. However, instead of settling down in a new apartment, four days later, on September 28, Blucher and his family immediately went to Adler - to the residence “Bocharov Ruchei”, where he settled in Voroshilov’s country house. Apparently, he already heard rumors about possible problems. At the cottage Voroshilova Blucher with his family spent almost a month.

On the morning of October 22, 1938, Marshal Vasily Blucher, his wife Glafira Lukinichna and brother Pavel were arrested. Blucher was taken to Lubyanka, to the internal prison of the NKVD, where Marshal and yesterday's favorite of Stalin spent eighteen days. During this time, he managed to interrogate 21 times. Blucher testified against himself, in which he admitted to participating in the “anti-Soviet rightist organization”, “military conspiracy”, sabotage in the military sphere, as well as to “complete the picture”, drunkenness in the workplace and moral decay.

9 November 1938 of the year in 22 hours 50 minutes Vasily Blucher died suddenly in the prison doctor's office. According to the official autopsy results, the marshal’s death was caused by a blockage of the pulmonary artery by a thrombus formed in the veins of the pelvis. On the morning of November 10, Blucher’s body was cremated. Many sources emphasize that Blucher’s death was a natural consequence of the most severe torture and beatings that the marshal was subjected to during his eighteen-day imprisonment. Practically all the members of the family of Vasily Blucher were repressed. His first wife, Galina Pokrovskaya, was shot, whose marriage ended in 1924, i.e. 14 years before the arrest of Blucher. The second wife, Galina Kolchugin, was also shot, and the third wife, Glafira Bezverkhova, was sentenced to 8 years of camps. Blucher's brother Pavel, who served as the air commander at the headquarters of the Air Force of the Far Eastern Front, was also shot. Rehabilitated Blucher in 1956 year. After rehabilitation, streets, towns, schools, and ships were named after Blucher.

Marshal Blucher can be considered one of the most controversial and mysterious figures in the Soviet stories 1920's - 1930's Without detracting from his merits during the Civil War, it is still worth noting that many critical assessments of a military leader are true - this is a low level of education with a lack of desire to improve knowledge, and disregard for their duties, and arbitrariness in decision making. But was Blucher actually a member of the anti-Stalinist conspiracy? The answer to this question has long been taken to the grave by the participants of those tragic events.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 23 2018 05: 55
    +5
    Blucher testified against himself, in which he admitted to participating in the "anti-Soviet organization of the right", in the "military conspiracy", in sabotage in the military sphere

    What, however, the enemy appeared! Given that his accomplices in the Far East, Uborevich and Yakir, etc., were also shot, the picture of universal betrayal is simply amazing ...
    Many sources emphasize that the death of Blucher was a natural consequence of the brutal torture and beatings that the marshal suffered during his eighteen-day sentence. Almost all members of the family of Vasily Blucher were repressed. His first wife, Galina Pokrovskaya, was shot, the marriage with which ended in 1924, i.e. 14 years before Blucher’s arrest. The second wife, Galina Kolchugina, was also shot, and the third wife, Glafira Bezverkhova, was sentenced to 8 years in prison camps. Blucher's brother Pavel, who served as the commander of an air link at the headquarters of the Air Force of the Far Eastern Front, was also shot.

    A worthy reward, and most importantly, a well-deserved one: for which he fought ......
    Rehabilitated Blucher in 1956. After rehabilitation in honor of Bucher were named streets, settlements, schools, motor ships.

    Here are those on: i.e. Stalin was wrong ?! Or is Stalin just right? belay recourse request
    1. antivirus
      antivirus April 23 2018 06: 48
      +4
      A worthy award, and most importantly, a well-deserved one: for which he fought ..

      everyone who decided to change their lives, joined the banned party, went against the existing regime-authorities - QUIETLY WATCHED DEATH IN FACE. and saw "not washed Russia"
      and everyone sees his "washed Russia"
      it was !!!, not now to squeeze posts
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 23 2018 08: 44
        +7
        Quote: antivirus
        everyone who decided to change their lives, joined the banned party, went against the existing regime-authorities - QUIETLY WATCHED DEATH IN FACE

        Yes, they looked calmly: fool
        These were “brave” they were (from a letter to Bukharin-Stalin, 1937):
        if a death sentence awaits me, then I ask you in advance, conjure directly to everyone that is dear to you, replace the execution with the fact that I myself will drink poison in the cell (give me morphineso that I fall asleep and do not wake up). For me, this point is extremely important, I do not know what words I should find in order to to beg Take pity! . So if I'm destined to die, please about the morphine bowl. I pray about that...
        APRF. F. 3. On. 24. D. 427. L. 13-18
        Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) also quote, or you yourself find how he was lying in his legs?
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak April 23 2018 09: 08
          +5
          Olgovich "Apfelbaum (Zinoviev), too, quote, or do you yourself find how he was lying on his feet?"
          Oh yes ...))) Would you proudly demand your execution?)))
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 23 2018 09: 22
            +7
            Quote: Nagaibak
            Oh yes ...))) Would you proudly demand your execution?)))

            belay What do I have to do with it? I am not Comrade Apfelbaum and not Nakhamkis. yes
            Comrade antivirus said that the comrades "boldly looked death in the face." lol HOW they looked
            PS You, of course, would also be lying on your feet. yes
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak April 23 2018 11: 42
              +9
              Olgovich
              belay What do I have to do with it? I am not Comrade Apfelbaum and not Nakhamkis. yes
              "Comrade Antivirus claimed that the comrades" boldly looked death in the face. " lol HOW they looked
              PS You, of course, would also be lying on your feet. "
              I’m understandable ... I would be lying around.))) But they haven’t come for you yet, but you’re already translating arrows.))) I don’t have to ... it's all an antivirus with Apfelbaum.))) Hmm ... I won’t even suppose to what extent you would be offended there.))) Internet courage she is ...))))
              1. antivirus
                antivirus April 23 2018 13: 38
                +1
                the quote pad is walking.
                a matter of life - death is always beyond the horizon

                ideologists - cabinet sitters - this is one look and "courage"
                A MILITARY IS ANOTHER.
                BUT PETROVITS ALWAYS LOOKS AT ALL 150 MILLION IN ONE MEASURE!
                I don’t know how to behave. in such a situation.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 23 2018 14: 24
                +4
                Quote: Nagaibak
                I’m understandable ... I would lie on my feet.))) But they haven’t come for you, but You are already translating arrows.)))

                It's not me, it's YOU moving the arrow:
                Nagaybak = A you would proudly demand their execution?)
                MYSELF do not remember? lol
                Quote: Nagaibak
                Hmm .... I won’t even guess to what extent you would have gotten it there.)))

                Given your understanding, the justification of wallowing Zinoviev in the legs for the sake of mercy, you are much closer to
                Quote: Nagaibak
                to what extent would you be discouraged there

                yes lol
                You don’t even have
                Quote: Nagaibak
                Bravery Internet

                yes laughing
                1. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak April 24 2018 07: 06
                  0
                  Olgovich "Nagaybak = Would you proudly demand your execution?"
                  So then .. it was sarcasm.))) You would have cried visiting Beria like a little girl, everyone knows that.))))
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 24 2018 08: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: Nagaibak
                    So then .. it was sarcasm.)))

                    These were arrows on me. In your performance.
                    Quote: Nagaibak
                    you would cry visiting Beria like a little girl - it's all understandably.))))

                    When will you all FOR YOURSELF learn to speak? request
            2. Looking for
              Looking for April 23 2018 12: 26
              +2
              Enemy (yes, yes it's about you). Look at death in the eyes at the age of 30 and in 50 or two big differences.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 23 2018 14: 27
                +1
                Quote: Seeker
                Enemy (yes, yes it's about you). Look at death in the eyes at the age of 30 and in 50 or two big differences.

                My friend, about age t. Antivirus-did not say request lol
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 23 2018 15: 06
        +9
        Quote: antivirus
        A worthy award, and most importantly, a well-deserved one: for which he fought ..

        everyone who decided to change their lives, joined the banned party, went against the existing regime-authorities - QUIETLY WATCHED DEATH IN FACE. and saw "not washed Russia"
        and everyone sees his "washed Russia"
        it was !!!, not now to squeeze posts

        The author, Ilya Polonsky, very poorly studied the biography of the person he writes about, or deliberately distorted it. As a result, users of the site receive either incomplete information on the issue, or its perverted version. Hence the "confusion and reeling" in any matter. In such circumstances, you can build a state?
        In order to understand whether Blucher was a participant in the military conspiracy against Stalin, it is enough to read the testimony of Blucher's last wife, Glafira. I will say briefly - it was!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 24 2018 08: 15
          +4
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          In order to understand whether Blucher was a participant in the military conspiracy against Stalin, it is enough to read the testimony of Blucher's last wife, Glafira. I will say briefly - it was!

          In order to understand whether Blucher was a participant in the military conspiracy against Stalin, it is enough to know HOW such so-called "testimony" knocked out. And if briefly, of course, he wasn’t.
      3. Alber
        Alber April 30 2018 13: 47
        0
        Quote: antivirus
        A worthy award, and most importantly, a well-deserved one: for which he fought ..

        Quote: Olgovich
        the enemy appeared! Given that his accomplices in the Far East, Uborevich and Yakir, etc., were also shot, the picture of universal betrayal is simply amazing ...

        Quote: Olgovich
        Here are those on: i.e. Stalin was wrong ?! Or is Stalin just right?


        Stalin was a farsighted clever girl!
        I did everything right ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2018 07: 30
      +15
      Quote: Olgovich
      Here are those on: i.e. Stalin was wrong ?! Or is Stalin just right?

      What removed - RIGHT, that shot ... there is no consensus. This is of course VERY cruel, but only in this way Comrade Koba was able to put things in order quickly and unequivocally ... and so he decided to fight against partisanism, both in the Red Army and throughout the country.
      Its ending was an unsuccessful operation on Lake Hassan in 1938.
      ??????? Why unsuccessful?
      According to the Soviet leadership, the responsibility for the failure was borne directly by the commander of the Far Eastern Front, Marshal Vasily Blucher.
      Then I agree. Being a long time commander of the troops in the Far East, he did little to prepare in the upcoming war. In particular, this affected the training of troops. The soldiers of the 40th Infantry Division advanced to Lake Hassan did not know how to do ANYTHING. Neither go on the attack, because of which they suffered heavy losses, nor use their weapons, this has already become a byword, that the entire battlefield was littered with Soviet hand grenades, only because the soldiers did not know how to use them. Fighters, instead of combat training, were engaged in economic and agricultural work
      The commander did not bother to develop and maintain the road network. Which led to the fact that the troops approached very exhausted and out of order. The tank units of the 40th SD lost nearly 50% of their equipment on the march, while the artillery was unable to take up firing positions in time, as a result, infantry and tanks attacked without it ... And so on and so forth.
      Ground forces and aviation did not have a concept of interaction, as a result there were attacks of their troops.
      All this showed the Japanese command the weakness of the Red Army in this theater, which they did not fail to take advantage of, unleashing a new conflict at Halkin-Gol.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 23 2018 08: 27
        +10
        Quote: svp67
        What removed - RIGHT, that shot ... there is no consensus.

        He was not shot, he was beaten to death. Although there would be no doubt that he would be shot if he survived.
        That is not the question. The question is, who is right: did Stalin destroy the Blucher or those who later rehabilitated the Blucher? Should steamboat streets today bear the names of bluers? request
        1. Fisher martin
          Fisher martin April 23 2018 08: 32
          +5
          Quote: Olgovich
          The question is who is right: Stalin destroyed the Blucher

          Here, Stalin is right, it’s impossible to forgive.
          Quote: Olgovich
          Who blucher then rehabilitated?
          Khrushchev rehabilitated many here, whom it would not be worth rehabilitating. Do not deserve it.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 23 2018 09: 38
            +11
            Quote: Fisher Martin
            Here Stalin is right,

            If he is right, WHY the Communists (including you) do not come up with demands to demolish monuments to any lazo, yakirs, blucher, rename Streets of cantaloupes, lionfish, Antonov oatsenok? recourse
            Quote: Fisher Martin
            Khrushchev rehabilitated many here, who should not be rehabilitated

            He had no choice: how else could he explain to the people that thieves were solid spies and traitors: taking Zimny ​​Antonov Ovseyenko the traitor, the first Soviet commander of the Headquarters Krylenko-counter-revolutionary conspirator, chairman of Tsentralta Dybenko-ameroshpien., Lenin’s guard Zinoviev, Kamen Bukharin and others are ardent enemies of the people? "Where to go to the poor peasant?" (C)request
            1. Fisher martin
              Fisher martin April 23 2018 10: 30
              +5
              Quote: Olgovich
              If he is right, WHY the Communists (including you) do not come up with demands to demolish monuments to any lazo, yakirs, blucher, rename the streets of melons, fenders, ants-oats?

              And why should I advocate the demolition of monuments? And in general, in my city, for example, I did not meet street names in honor of the comrades you listed. wink
              Quote: Olgovich
              He had no choice: how else could he explain to the people that thieves were solid spies and traitors: taking Zimny ​​Antonov Ovseyenko the traitor, the first Soviet commander of the Headquarters Krylenko-counter-revolutionary conspirator, chairman of Tsentralta Dybenko-ameroshpien., Lenin’s guard Zinoviev, Kamen Bukharin and others are ardent enemies of the people? "Where to go to the poor peasant?" (C)

              Come on, some of these personalities fell under the hot hand and not deservedly, some were justly punished. Here, the fate of each person should be considered separately by historians, it was clear who for what. hi
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 23 2018 10: 41
                +5
                Quote: Fisher Martin
                And why should I advocate the demolition of monuments? And in general in my city, for example, I did not meet street names in honor of the comrades you listed

                Comrade The reptiloid from St. Petersburg, as well as Aleksey RA from there, will enlighten you about these streets. And you can dial in the rumble: st. , for example, Krylenko, there is also in Moscow, in Artemovsk, etc.
                Quote: Fisher Martin
                Come on, some of these personalities fell under the hot hand and not deservedly, some were justly punished. Here, the fate of each person should be considered separately by historians, it was clear who for what

                That's right: they shot at first, and now you can, slowly, and sort it out. Clever! good
                1. Fisher martin
                  Fisher martin April 23 2018 11: 24
                  +8
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Comrade The reptiloid from St. Petersburg, as well as Aleksey RA from there, will enlighten you about these streets. And you can dial in the rumble: st. , for example, Krylenko, there is also in Moscow, in Artemovsk, etc.
                  But I don’t care, I’m not from the above cities and I don’t get itchy from the fact that these streets are named after Lenin or Sverdlov. It’s your fan of white civilians in the head who’s not over, so you moan about “Russia which didn’t exist”. bully
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  That's right: they shot at first, and now you can, slowly, and sort it out. Clever!
                  Prosecutors and judges sorted out then and passed a sentence. Documents simply for these cases are not yet open and not all submitted to the public. hi
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 23 2018 14: 34
                    +3
                    Quote: Fisher Martin
                    I don’t care, I'm not from these above cities and I don’t get itchy from the fact that these streets are named after Lenin or Sverdlov. it by you the white civilian fan in the head did not end, and here you are whining about "Russia which did not exist."

                    What lane are you responsible for? yes
                    On "YOU" at school did not learn to communicate? Learn if it's not too late yes
                    Quote: Fisher Martin
                    Prosecutors and judges sorted out then and sentenced. Documents simply for these cases are not yet open and not all submitted to the public

                    Not THEN figured out when they were shot, and THEN, when they rehabilitated ALL.
            2. Amurets
              Amurets April 23 2018 11: 54
              +6
              Quote: Olgovich
              If he is right, WHY the Communists (including you) do not come up with demands to demolish monuments to every lazo,

              Olgovich, why were you offended by your fellow countryman? Lazo from Bessarabia, fought in Transbaikalia against the chieftain Semyonov, and then in Primorye. He died in 1920. What kind of Stalinist repression do you mean?
              http://fb.ru/article/213741/sergey-lazo-biografiy
              a-istoriya-i-semya
              1. Fisher martin
                Fisher martin April 23 2018 12: 06
                +5
                Quote: Amurets
                Olgovich, why were you offended by your fellow countryman? Lazo from Bessarabia, fought in Transbaikalia against the chieftain Semyonov, and then in Primorye. He died in 1920. What kind of Stalinist repression do you mean?
                Lazo's problem is that he fought on the wrong side as this fruit believes. And if Semyonov won and a monument was erected to him, then I think Olgovich would be pleased wink
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets April 23 2018 13: 02
                  +6
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  And if Semyonov won and a monument was erected to him, then I think Olgovich would be pleased

                  Neither bring God. Semenov is best characterized by his bloody affairs in Transbaikalia, during the years of the civil war. And after the Civil, he did a lot of trouble in the Far East.
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich April 23 2018 14: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: Fisher Martin
                  Lazo's problem is that he fought on the wrong side as this fruit believes. And if Semyonov won and a monument was erected to him, then I think Olgovich would be pleased

                  Enough monuments to the Supreme Ruler A.V. Kolchak, which are all over Russia.
                  And the Lazo monument in Chisinau, which is shabby, with fallen off plates, stands an abandoned, miserable and useless one. They do not think to demolish it, it is so forgotten. Even the Communists will not bring a flower, they don’t give a damn about the Nazis, the rest simply don’t know about him.
                  Oblivion worse than hate ...
                  1. antivirus
                    antivirus April 23 2018 18: 34
                    +4
                    and with kolchak oblivion will not be in 70 years, but in 30 years

                    try to live your own life for others (like Lazo) without a crunch.
                    100 years ago for others - a rarity was
                    ...
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich April 24 2018 08: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: antivirus
                      and with kolchak oblivion will not be in 70 years, but in 30 years

                      Nonsense, it’s like his rotten hair for 70 years, but there is no memory — and there will be!
                      Quote: antivirus
                      try to live your own life for others (like Lazo) without a crunch.

                      What "others", whom others? Did these "others" ask him to make them happy? fool
                  2. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk April 26 2018 22: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: Olgovich

                    1
                    Olgovich (Andrey) April 23, 2018 14:46 p.m. ↑
                    Quote: Fisher Martin
                    Lazo's problem is that he fought on the wrong side as this fruit believes. And if Semyonov won and a monument was erected to him, then I think Olgovich would be pleased

                    Enough monuments to the Supreme Ruler A.V. Kolchak, who are all over Russia.
                    And the Lazo monument in Chisinau, which is shabby, with fallen off plates, stands an abandoned, miserable and useless one. They do not think to demolish it, it is so forgotten. Even the Communists will not bring a flower, they don’t give a damn about the Nazis, the rest simply don’t know about him.
                    Oblivion worse than hate ...

                    Because the oblivion that today in power in Moldova wherever you look - only Olgovichi.
                    Read what testimony "they beat out the bloody NKVDists" from poor Glafira, Blucher's wife.
                    She talks about the inspection of Gamarnik in Khabarovsk in the summer of 1936, when not a single commander of the Red Army was arrested.
                    "When Gamarnik left for Moscow, he (Blucher), speaking ill, did not go to see the distinguished guest and the boss, which looked like a demonstration ... Somewhat later, my husband decided to catch the train with which Gamarnik left. Before leaving, he told me:" ... And you are preparing for an urgent departure from Khabarovsk ... I will send a telegram. "We agreed: the telegram will be about Lida ... If it is announced that she will come, it will mean that we will stay in Khabarovsk if if she’s not coming, it means we’re leaving. I received a telegram from Cheta: “Lida will come”
                    Ask yourself, where Blucher, a military man, having left his post in Khabarovsk, planned to go without the permission of the command? And why did he need to code this departure in his correspondence with his wife? Further. "... he said that there was a long conversation with Gomarnik (the meeting took place at the station of Bochkarev-Chit), in which Gamarnik invited Vasily Konstantinovich to remove me like a dummy (" Let's declare her implicated in espionage, thereby whitewashing you ... young wife ... ") To which Vasily Konstantinovich answered (I quote him literally):" she is not only my wife, but also the mother of my child, and while I am alive, not a single hair will fall from her head. "
                    Look, what interesting conversations the “Stalin victims” have between themselves. It turns out that if you slander an innocent person near Blucher, then you can remove the charges of espionage from Blucher himself. Blucher is happy to slander an innocent man, but the trouble is, she is the mother of his child! That held him back! 1937 year. Blucher with his wife in Moscow. Glafira says: “On the afternoon of May 31, Const. And the first secretary of the Far Eastern Regional Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Comrade Lavrentyev, went to visit the sick Ya Gamarnik who came to his house ... By evening, my husband returned home ... The next day I, looking through the morning mail ... I read ... that the terry enemy of the people of YAB Gamarnik committed suicide yesterday, May 31 "
                    And so, it was after a conversation with Blucher and Lavrentiev that Gamarnik shot himself. Blucher told his wife this: "Yakov Borisovich, apparently, had already spoken directly to Kiev and already knew that Ion Yakir was arrested ... So, at that moment when we were leaving, the enkavedevts rushed into the house to arrest Yakov Borisovich . He shot himself. I managed to. "
                    It turns out: Gamarnik, having learned that he testified after the arrest on May 28, Yakir, shot himself and this managed to hide something from their joint enemies, the NKVD.
                    Then, on June 11, Blucher was a member of the trial of Tukhachevsky, Yakir and other "faithful Leninists." He asked evil questions to the defendants and sentenced them to death. He, not Stalin. And then there was 38, there was a meeting of the Military Council and order No. 0040 of September 4.9.1938, XNUMX.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich April 27 2018 08: 55
                      +2
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Because oblivion that today in power in Moldova wherever you look - only the Olgovichi.
                      belay lol
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Here read what testimony "beat out the bloody NKVDists" from poor Glafira, Blucher's wife

                      Quotation marks, why? belay For SUCH testimonies, they didn’t shoot her, unlike his FIRST, shot wife of Galina, who exposed him as japanese spy yes
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 23 2018 14: 39
                +3
                Quote: Amurets
                Olgovich, why were you offended by your fellow countryman? Lazo from Bessarabia, fought in Transbaikalia against the chieftain Semyonov, and then in Primorye. He died in 1920. What kind of Stalinist repression do you mean?

                He is indifferent to me, even a little sorry: mediocre, criminally, stupidly spent life. What are his monuments, streets?
                Mentioned him in conjunction with the rest of the "Far East" Uborevich, Yakir, Blucher.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA April 23 2018 20: 24
                  +8
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  He is indifferent to me, even a little sorry: mediocre, criminally, stupidly spent life. What are his monuments, streets?

                  Life spent on the struggle with the invaders and their accomplices is now considered mediocre, criminal, stupidly spent? Or have you forgotten whom Semenov served? How did the ataman suddenly draw 540 Japanese soldiers, 28 officers, and 15 guns under the general command of Captain Okumura? wink
                  It is interesting if Lazo defended the Far East not under the red flag - what would fans of the RCMP write about him?
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 24 2018 08: 34
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    A life, spent on the fight against interventionists and their accomplices are now considered mediocre, criminal, stupidly spent?

                    Bah. how much pathos! Of the deceitful, moreover: Ensign Lazo, not a day not fought against the German invaders, spent his life on murder , basically, своих compatriots and overthrow state power in, became a traitor and a state criminal.
                    The result of his "activity" was including and intervention.
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    I wonder if Lazo defended the Far East not under the red flag

                    If there were no such “defenders,” there would be no intervention.
                2. antivirus
                  antivirus April 24 2018 21: 11
                  0
                  He is indifferent to me, even a little sorry: mediocre, criminally, stupidly spent life. What are his monuments, streets?

                  and "what monuments" then And to Matrosov?

                  if I said, I suggested (YOU have an explanation for his throw?) that Sashka rushed to the machine gun to tighten the cigarette, could not allow the death of a comrade who let him drag out before the attack (possible death) ??????
                  THERE ARE RED MASERATTI OR WHITE LEXUS - AND THERE WAS A RED BLOOD ON WHITE SNOW
              3. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 April 23 2018 18: 02
                +6
                Quote: Amurets
                Olgovich, why were you offended by your fellow countryman?

                For the sake of a red word, I would not regret my father. Olgovich is just a troll, frolic ... bored, girls.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich April 24 2018 08: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  For the sake of a red word, I would not regret my father.

                  Lazo "father" is only for you and others like you.
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  Olgovich is just a troll, frolic ... boring, girls.

                  Girl Michael lol , you did not confuse the site? belay fool lol
        2. antivirus
          antivirus April 23 2018 18: 28
          +1
          He was not shot, he was beaten to death. Although there would be no doubt that he would be shot if he survived.

          I'm already talking about modern standards ---- I used boiling water
          IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO SUDDEN OUT - CHAT ABOUT 1920-30 YEARS FROM 2018
          in 50-70 -80gg middle Russian plain - ALL - moved to cities and the village was empty.
          and the outskirts before.
          in cities THEN WERE FIGHTED (SEE GOPNIKI AND KAZAN -CHALLS) the yard against the yard. then street to street, then district to district.
          ended - the urban generation has grown completely - the parents themselves did not know the "petty localism"
          Today, the Caucasus and Central Asia, wild ,,,,, also in cities, including in Russia, are raising their domestic culture.
          VILLAGE IT IN AFRICA AND IN DRIED AND TEREK - VILLAGE. Cm above-fought-strangers ?? drove.
          and Blucher and his investigators, and prosecutors were from those "wall-to-wall fun" -one field berries.

          spat about the cruelty of the "Stalinist repression" - to bite into the teeth if someone didn’t like it-NORM.
          norm and 1 class of Blucher and 4 cells dr clutches (and controlling prosecutors).

          We laugh a lot about the French - whether the Arabs beat them. and they are about assimilation - one must be patient - MULTICULTURALIZED FRANCE BECAME URBAN IN THE MIDDLE OF 19 C. And the Arabs - BECOME NOW (???).
          NEXT ---- T ---- L O ... I WILL NOT ENLIGHTEN.
          see statistics of 1900 and 1937, and 1975 of the release of pairs of boots and bast shoes, bridles and motorcycles. serpov and mowing machines.
          someone was already in 75g it was bad to live - there was a carrot curve in grocery stores. and cucumbers only in the fall
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 23 2018 10: 44
        +12
        Quote: svp67
        ??????? Why unsuccessful?

        Because instead of the quick and strong response of the Red Army "presumptuous Japanese militarists“First an interdepartmental squabble turned out, and then sluggish butting with the slow displacement of the Japanese from their occupied positions. At the same time, the same aviation was used after the transfer of command from Blucher to Stern. You yourself wrote about the advance and deployment of ground forces.
        And yes - it was the actions of the Red Army under Hassan that led the Kwantungs to the idea that if these gaijins defend their territory in such a way, then they can even score on Mongolia.
        By the way, when discussing the situation and the actions of the parties in the Far East, one should not forget about one fact: both our Far East and Manchuria were almost 100% transparent to the intelligence services of our and Japanese sides. The deployment and the number of units and formations, the system of fortifications, combat plans - all this was known. EMNIP, on fortification.ru uv. Vladimir Kalinin wrote - how the Japanese plans for a ground operation on the Far East changed depending on the readiness of our missile defense systems - and how after each of these changes new missile defense systems began to be built, precisely in new threatened directions.
      3. Monarchist
        Monarchist April 23 2018 13: 38
        +5
        Svp, actually V.K. Blucher was not shot. His two wives, a daughter and a brother, were shot.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 23 2018 15: 52
          +1
          Quote: Monarchist
          In fact, V.K. Blucher was not shot.

          In his case, this can only be regretted. Better shooting than such a death
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk April 24 2018 18: 17
          +2
          Quote: Monarchist
          Svp, actually V.K. Blucher was not shot. His two wives, a daughter and a brother, were shot.

          Yeah. And two more grandmothers and three grandfathers with children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 26 2018 13: 12
            +2
            What are you screwing? Two of his ex-wives and brother were indeed shot. Do you think they deserve it?
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk April 26 2018 13: 35
              +1
              Quote: Sergej1972
              What are you screwing? Two of his ex-wives and brother were indeed shot. Do you think they deserve it?

              Evidence, in the "studio"!
      4. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 23 2018 21: 41
        +3
        Quote: svp67

        What removed - RIGHT, that shot ... there is no consensus. This is of course VERY cruel, but only in this way Comrade Koba was able to put things in order quickly and unequivocally ... and so he decided to fight against partisanism, both in the Red Army and throughout the country.

        Another major expert on right and wrong. Members of the Military Council gave the go-ahead to the execution of Blucher. Stalin, in the vote, voted against, proposing to dismiss from the army.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 24 2018 16: 56
          0
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Another major expert on right and wrong.

          Not less than your ...
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Members of the Military Council gave the go-ahead to the execution of Blucher.

          Not for execution, but for removal from office:
          August 31 in Moscow, a meeting of the Main Military Council of the Red Army. On the agenda was the main question "On events in the area of ​​Lake Hassan." Having heard the explanations of the Commander of the DKF, Marshal Blucher and Deputy Member of the Military Council of the Front of the Division Commissioner Mazepov, the Main Military Council came to the following main conclusions:

          "1. The military operations near Lake Khasan were a comprehensive check of the mobilization and combat readiness of not only the units that directly took part in them, but of all the troops of the DCF Front without exception.

          2. The events of these few days revealed enormous shortcomings in the state of the DK Front ... It was found that the Far Eastern Theater was poorly prepared for war. As a result of such an unacceptable state of the front forces, in this relatively small clash, we suffered significant losses of 408 people killed and 2807 people wounded (according to new, updated data, 960 people were killed and 3 thousand 279 people were wounded; the total ratio of losses of the USSR and Japan 3: 1. - Aut.) ... "

          The main results of the discussion of the agenda were the dissolution of the DKF Office and the removal of the commander of the Marshal of the Soviet Union, Blucher.

          The main culprit of these "major shortcomings" was first named the commander of the DKF, Marshal Vasily Blucher, according to the people's commissar of defense, who surrounded himself with "enemies of the people." The glorified hero was accused of "defeatism, duplicity, indiscipline and sabotage of armed resistance to the Japanese troops." Leaving Vasily Konstantinovich at the disposal of the Main Military Council of the Red Army, he and his family were sent on vacation to the Voroshilov cottage Bocharov Ruchey in Sochi. There he was arrested with his wife and brother. Three weeks after his arrest, Vasily Blucher died.

          After that, the ORDER of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR was issued No. 0040 of September 4, 1938.
          Yes, and he was still "shot", after death
          And only 4 months later, on March 10, 1939, the courts sentenced the dead marshal to death for "espionage in favor of Japan", "participation in the anti-Soviet organization of the right and in the military conspiracy."
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 24 2018 18: 11
            0
            Quote: svp67

            After that, the ORDER of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR was issued No. 0040 of September 4, 1938.
            Yes, and he was still "shot", after death

            I do not know where you scratched out this lengthy quote, but I have no trust in it. For several reasons, and one of which is absent from her, among other unspecified accusations against Blucher, one very important accusation is "To solve the border issue with the Japanese on the eve of the conflict, deputy commissars of the NKVD and NPO arrived in Khabarovsk. Secretly from them, without any order and coordination, Blucher creates a commission and confirms the Japanese “violation” of 3 meters by our border guards of the Manchurian border and, therefore ... “our guilt” in the outbreak of conflict on Hassan Island. in the Far East announces the mobilization of 12 draft ages. "This is an illegal act," Voroshilov writes in an order. (Only the USSR Armed Forces could do this)
            I will not quote in what condition Blucher was introduced into the battle of the Red Army. I would have to write too much. I think this is enough for you to understand that your source is "somewhat inaccurate", to say the least.
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 25 2018 11: 48
              +2
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              I think this is enough for you to understand that your source is "somewhat inaccurate", to say the least.

              Worse? That is, on March 10, 1939, he was not deprived of the rank of Marshal and sentenced to death? Or was there no ORDER of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR # 0040 of September 4, 1938? What is wrong with "your universe"?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk April 25 2018 13: 52
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                I think this is enough for you to understand that your source is "somewhat inaccurate", to say the least.

                Worse? That is, on March 10, 1939, he was not deprived of the rank of Marshal and sentenced to death? Or was there no ORDER of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR # 0040 of September 4, 1938? What is wrong with "your universe"?

                In my "universe", everything is so. And the order of the NPO was and was correct. It’s just that you, by your own quote, I don’t know, accidentally or intentionally, did not reveal the fullness of the acts of the “victim of Stalinist repression”. Than they gave some inexperienced readers of VO to think about the injustice of the order of NGOs regarding Blucher.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 April 26 2018 13: 14
          +2
          Blucher was tortured. What kind of execution are you writing about? If Stalin really wanted to save his life, he could well have neglected the opinion of the members of the Military Council. But actually, according to Soviet law, members of the Military Council did not have the right to make a decision on the execution.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 26 2018 13: 57
            0
            Quote: Sergej1972
            Blucher was tortured.

            Yes, the bloody Stalin executioners did not let him sleep for two days.
            Stalin never neglected the opinion of members Military Council. Read the memories of those who worked with Stalin.
            Quote: Sergej1972
            But actually, according to Soviet law, members of the Military Council did not have the right to make a decision on the execution.

            And they could not stand such a crack. Rather, they upheld the decision of the tribunal by their decision. Kohl figure significant, the tribunal and sought permission to enforce its decision. And at the Military Council this issue was decided positively. What's wrong? But isn't it today? If the person involved is a significant figure for the state, then not only the Supreme Court, but also the President is involved in his fate, despite all his crimes. And the latter may spit on Ver's decision. Ships. There is nothing new under the sun.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 26 2018 20: 07
              0
              The president can only mitigate the fate of the convict.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk April 26 2018 21: 43
                +1
                Quote: Sergej1972
                The president can only mitigate the fate of the convict.

                Do you think pardon is a mitigation of fate?
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 3 May 2018 12: 41
                  +1
                  But does pardon worsen the fate of the convict? In the case of a pardon, a person is not charged, he is considered to have committed a crime, however, he is either released from punishment or his punishment is commuted. The pardon is an individual act performed on behalf of the head of state or the corresponding collegial body (during the USSR, first the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR, then after the adoption of the 1936 Constitution of the USSR PVS). This is the difference from the amnesty, which is declared by the legislative branch, is widespread and proceeds from formal signs (term of imprisonment, article). But here, including this site, many confuse pardon and amnesty with rehabilitation, those with recognition of a person as not guilty.
                  The president can just have mercy, but he does not have the right to tighten, increase the punishment imposed by the judicial authorities.
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 3 May 2018 13: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    But does pardon worsen the fate of the convict? In the case of a pardon, a person is not charged, he is considered to have committed a crime, however, he is either released from punishment or his punishment is commuted. The pardon is an individual act performed on behalf of the head of state or the corresponding collegial body (during the USSR, first the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR, then after the adoption of the 1936 Constitution of the USSR PVS). This is the difference from the amnesty, which is declared by the legislative branch, is widespread and proceeds from formal signs (term of imprisonment, article). But here, including this site, many confuse pardon and amnesty with rehabilitation, those with recognition of a person as not guilty.
                    The president can just have mercy, but he does not have the right to tighten, increase the punishment imposed by the judicial authorities.

                    A pardon is an exemption from punishment. No?
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 3 May 2018 16: 33
                      +1
                      Yes and no.) More often, but not always. Sometimes this is a mitigation of punishment. Say, replacing the execution with a prison term or reducing the prison term. As an option, early removal of a criminal record from a person who has already served his sentence. In general, a pardon is a full or partial exemption from punishment. In any case, the pardoned is still considered a criminal. Which does not prevent him from subsequently asking for rehabilitation. Korolev was initially pardoned, and after many years he was rehabilitated. Or Ramzin, convicted of the Industrial Party process. Or academician Tarle.
                      In some countries (not ours), a pardon can be carried out even at the pre-trial stage.
                      1. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 3 May 2018 16: 41
                        0
                        Something about Ramzin hesitated. I went to Wikipedia, they write that they came out not as a result of a pardon, but under an amnesty.
      5. SerB60
        SerB60 April 27 2018 00: 24
        0
        Something, somewhere, somehow I heard about the agricultural military units of the Red Army in the Far East, maybe that's why there was not enough time for exercises, since the plan had to be implemented? Or was it talking about issuing a deflated plan for agricultural products to ordinary parts on the mountain? Something like this. All the same, the time is not rubber: pigs, cows to breed, bread reap and learn to fight ...
    3. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 23 2018 20: 57
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      the picture of universal betrayal is simply amazing ...

      Ah yes Olgovich! Ah yes "well done"! Barely in the morning I waited to start writing my libel again.
  2. Fisher martin
    Fisher martin April 23 2018 07: 15
    +12
    Blucher got what he deserved by arranging a mess in the district, and even began to engage in negotiations with the enemy without consent from the Center. No normal state has ever forgiven anyone.
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 23 2018 08: 01
      +2
      Firstly, who appointed him and knew perfectly what he was doing, secondly, and just how can you not be dismissed?
      1. Fisher martin
        Fisher martin April 23 2018 08: 11
        +5
        Quote: Cartalon
        Firstly, who appointed him and knew perfectly what he was doing
        Did you even read the article? Or just wanted to say something? Reread the article again, carefully. hi
        Quote: Cartalon
        secondly, but simply cannot be dismissed?
        Well, nothing special, right? Negotiate for the dorsal Center and, moreover, inflicted image losses on the Red Army with its leadership, and this is in the world where the World War was brewing, this is of course a shit question, so some kind of nonsense laughing
      2. Hantengri
        Hantengri April 23 2018 08: 33
        +5
        Quote: Cartalon
        Firstly, who appointed him and knew perfectly what he was doing, secondly, but simply cannot be dismissed?

        For the arranged mess, there probably would have been enough retirement, but "everyone" had long stretched after him:
        From the interrogation protocol of October 28, 1938, Mr Blucher's assistant for communication Gulin Sergey Faddeevich
        Question: In 1930, you attended courses in Leningrad and in the middle of your studies were recalled by Blucher. Tell, what caused the need for your trip to Khabarovsk?

        Answer: I received a telegram from Blucher with an offer to immediately arrive in Khabarovsk in early May 1930. At the end of May, I arrived in Khabarovsk and immediately went to Blucher's apartment, where I found him going to Moscow. I asked Blucher why he called me, maybe there are any troubles on the border? At s. then he answered me: “Nothing of the kind. I am going to Moscow with my wife and in Moscow, maybe I will stay. I received Rykov’s offer to take the post of People’s Commissar for Naval Affairs, in Khabarovsk I need my own person who would inform me about the situation in OKDVA ... "

        Question: What happened after Blucher returned from Moscow?

        Answer: When Blucher was still in Moscow, in the newspapers I read his speech at the congress against the "right-wingers" and, in particular, against Rykov. Knowing that Blucher was completely in solidarity with Rykov and even received an invitation from him to take the post of People's Commissar, Blucher's speech at the congress surprised me very much. When Blucher returned to Khabarovsk, I came to his apartment and asked what had happened to him and why he spoke at the congress against Rykov and the "right", while he completely shared their views? Blucher replied that in Moscow circumstances forced him to reorient himself, and told the next episode.

        In Moscow, Blucher stayed at a hotel. Blucher's bailiffs, who arrived with him - Popov and Krysko - missed the representatives of the Industrial Party, who offered Blucher to take the post of Minister of War in case they came to power.

        Question: Who are they?

        Answer: Promparty. Blucher allegedly did not give them, that is, representatives of the Industrial Party, a direct answer to their proposal. The fact of a visit to Blucher by the representatives of the Industrial Party was somehow learned by Stalin and called Blucher to him and had a special conversation. “I,” Blucher told me, “answered Stalin: I’m sorry, I was drunk, my handlers let me in, so I don’t remember what negotiations I had with them.” He put all the blame on the handrails and on his drunken state. “You understand,” Blucher told me that after that I had no choice but to speak at the congress against the “right-wingers” and at least somehow rehabilitate myself. I did this, and in a conversation with Stalin I said that I was devoted to the party, that I would support the party and personally devoted to Stalin. ”

        Question Blucher and Rykov had meetings before the party congress

        Answer: Yes, before speaking at the congress, Blucher met with Rykov. Blucher's speech at the party congress against the "right" was sanctioned by Rykov. This was done in order to disguise, as there was no other way out in the current situation, in connection with the reception of the representatives of the Industrial Party. Then, as Blucher told me, he agreed to Rykov to accept the post of People’s Commissar for the victory of the "right." More about the history of one letter received by Blucher from Rykov ...

        Question: Want to tell?

        Answer: About six months after the party congress (late 1930), the army (meaning OKDVA. - AM) had a meeting of the high command staff. After the meeting, Blucher arranged a banquet in his apartment for the commanders of divisions and corps. I was at this banquet. In the middle of the banquet, Blucher began to get very worried, summoned his wife, Galina Alexandrovna (this is the second wife, Kolchugin), the bailiff Popov, to his office and began to scold them. I asked Popov about the reason for this unrest. Popov answered me that the division commissar Dvinsky and others were watching the album, and the album, according to Blucher, contained a letter received from Rykov. I asked what this letter is? Popov told me that the letter was received a long time ago and conveyed its contents. I think that now I can almost exactly reproduce it: “Dear Vasily Konstantinovich, a change in the government should happen in the near future, and I am glad to see you as the head of all the armed forces of the Red Army. Rykov. "

        When I compared the date of receipt of the letter and the conversation with Blucher, I realized that this was the very written proposal that Blucher had told me about at the end of May 1930, when he was leaving for Moscow ...

        Question: What else can you tell about Blucher?

        Answer: Blucher drank a lot. Especially in recent years. He was treated in Moscow for drunkenness. He beat his young wife drunk ... I often talked with Blucher and his family. He visited their house almost daily. Therefore, I can say that Blucher's lifestyle was difficult. He drank so much that he could not even make a report at the conference. I drank night and day ... Everyone knew it, and everyone hid it. For example, he got into the car in the morning, and crawled out of it in the evening, so he didn't go anywhere, drinking all day ...

        Interrogated: Beria, Ivanov
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist April 23 2018 14: 12
          +3
          Khan, what I agree with you, is that Blucher, as they say, "stigma in the cannon."
          Bukharin, Rykov, Tomsky, and others were definitely up to something and naturally they needed the ts "their man with a gun," hence the letters.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 23 2018 10: 25
        +8
        Quote: Cartalon
        Firstly, who appointed him and knew perfectly what he was doing, secondly, and just how can you not be dismissed?

        A man who almost provoked a full-scale war with Japan - just resign? belay
        Blucher during Hassan shook from side to side like a pendulum. First, instead of helping border guards, he arranged a show with a commission to investigate their actions, and then he almost announced a general mobilization on the territory under his jurisdiction.
        But mobilization is a war. A full-fledged war, involving all the forces of the Kwantung Army, partly the Expeditionary Army in China, as well as the IJN - and not the usual local conflicts of those parts of the Kwantung Army with the Soviet Union on the principle of "winners are not judged."
  3. ImPerts
    ImPerts April 23 2018 07: 47
    +4
    ... commander of the Special Far Eastern Army Vasily Blucher ...

    He felt special. It is possible that there were some tricks with the Japanese command. Trying to play the game "Winner is not judged" is typical for such situations.
    Z. S. Immediately make a reservation, if he decided to deviate from the Central Administration and the center and unexpectedly maneuvered the Japanese away from the border, then he would be forgiven for everything and the rule about winners worked for all 100%.
  4. Operator
    Operator April 23 2018 08: 02
    +12
    Blucher completely destroyed the Far Eastern Military District / Special Far Eastern Army: his successor, Apanasenko, began with the elementary construction of all-season exits from military units, since during the rainy season they became impassable and it was impossible to withdraw troops to positions, etc. etc.
    1. Fisher martin
      Fisher martin April 23 2018 08: 18
      +3
      Yes, for this they shot and quite rightly.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets April 23 2018 09: 41
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      Lücher completely destroyed the Far Eastern Military District / Special Far Eastern Army: his successor Apanasenko began with the elementary construction of all-season exits from military units,

      “Well, actually, OKDVA was received by GM Stern in August 1938. Since April 1938, GM Stern is the chief of staff of the Separate Red Banner Far Eastern Army, in August 1938 he was appointed commander of the 39th Rifle Corps of the Far Eastern Front, but in the same month he was appointed commander of the 1st separate Red Banner Army in the Far East. He led the military operations of the troops in the area of ​​Lake Hassan in 1938. The commander of the 2nd rank (9.02. 1939). " From Wiki.
      Apanasenko came after Stern in January 1941. And the rest about Apanasenko, everything is correct.
      In January 1941, Colonel General Joseph Apanasenko, whom the leader of the Soviet people personally knew from the Civil War, was appointed Commander of the Far Eastern Front. After meeting in the Kremlin and parting words, Apanasenko already left with the rank of army general to the Far East. The details of this meeting are not known, but the general undoubtedly received the exclusive powers of the “governor-general” of the Far East. The General was given the authority of a representative of the State Defense Committee (GKO) and the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command in the Far East, to which all local government and executive authorities, the NKVD and the Dalstroy (Gulag) were subordinate .https: //dergachev-va.livejournal. com / 946
      65.html
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist April 23 2018 14: 26
        +2
        The site has information about him: "general swindler"
  5. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak April 23 2018 09: 07
    +1
    I read the comments.))) People just end up because Blucher was killed.)))
  6. bober1982
    bober1982 April 23 2018 09: 38
    +5
    The author asks a question - Was Blucher a participant in the anti-Stalinist conspiracy?
    But such as Blucher could never have participated in such events, there was too much peasant-working type. Such as he and others like him shout before being shot - Long live comrade Stalin!
    1. Fisher martin
      Fisher martin April 23 2018 10: 19
      +2
      Quote: bober1982
      .Such as he and others like him shout before being shot - Long live Comrade Stalin!
      Yes, of course they all shouted like that. Where did you read such nonsense from?

      Quote: bober1982
      But such as Blucher could never have participated in such events, the peasant-working type was too much
      No, he just was in a different place, and not in Moscow, and what does Tukhachevsky’s plot have to do with it?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 April 23 2018 12: 25
        +3
        Quote: Fisher Martin
        and in general what does the plot of Tukhachevsky?

        That's right, Blucher had nothing to do with any conspiracies, it is difficult to imagine this rude dork in the same company with Tukhachevsky - a subtle esthete, a violin lover, with some megalomania.
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 April 23 2018 14: 45
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          , it is difficult to imagine this rude dork in the same company with Tukhachevsky - a subtle esthete, a lover of violin, with some megalomania.

          I can easily imagine this. Purely hypothetically, at least, because it is probably not known whether the conspiracy was. But in theory, it’s quite possible. Just a delicate esthete and violin lover could easily manipulate a dork using it for their own purposes. For what his society and personal presence could sometimes endure. They do not kiss in a hickey. It is clear who steers here, and who is being run. But in one team.
          Actually, this happened more than once. There were esthete-reformers like Chubais and Gaidar, Bab, etc., and there was a dork and drunk whom they appointed president. Switchman and stupid performer is a useful figure. At the same time, if you need to jump off, there is someone to shove the responsibility. Normally, everything is shorter.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 April 23 2018 16: 06
            +1
            Maybe everything was just as you say, although in my opinion, there could hardly have been any manipulation of one another. Apparently the usual confrontation between Voroshilov and Tukhachevsky.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 April 26 2018 13: 19
          +1
          Blucher was among the members of the special presence, which sentenced Tukhachevsky to be shot. And Egorov also took part, and a number of other military leaders. A significant part of them over the next year or two was also destroyed.
  7. VeteR_2
    VeteR_2 April 23 2018 11: 19
    +4
    Quote: Olgovich
    What, however, the enemy appeared! Given that his accomplices in the Far East, Uborevich and Yakir, etc., were also shot, the picture of universal betrayal is simply amazing ...

    But how naive you are ... And you believe in Tukhachevsky’s conspiracy, and in Moscow processes it’s probably sacred ... We would have studied a better story before yelling so
  8. VeteR_2
    VeteR_2 April 23 2018 11: 22
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    That's right: they shot at first, and now you can, slowly, and figure it out.

    You apparently do not know how the "fair trial system" was built then.
  9. BAI
    BAI April 23 2018 11: 58
    +1
    The Red Army lost 960 people, while 650 people were killed on the Japanese side.

    In general, the reason is, of course, strange. In the Finnish war, losses were greater and the ratio of losses was worse, however, no one was shot from the top leadership (the command of 44 divisions is not the top leadership). Most likely, Hassan is a reason for covering something else.
  10. rJIiOK
    rJIiOK April 23 2018 12: 29
    +2
    What anti-Stalin plot? Nothing like this.
    Just in the Far East - Blucher felt like an almighty king, he even ignored Stalin’s warnings by telephone, arbitrarily sent some commission to put up with the Japanese ..
    Well, I went too far and got it. Was it necessary to shoot? Well, maybe it wasn’t necessary, but they were dismissed from the job.
  11. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 23 2018 14: 17
    +5
    Quote: Fisher Martin
    Yes, for this they shot and quite rightly.

    Regarding V.K.Blyukher, I agree, and the execution of ex-wives and younger brother is EXCELLENT to say the least.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 23 2018 14: 26
      +4
      Quote: Monarchist
      Regarding V.K.Blyukher, I agree, and the execution of ex-wives and younger brother is EXCELLENT to say the least.

      You judge from the point of view of today .....
      Based on the saying that “a night cuckoo has a day's snack”, attention to wives was not casual. The intelligence of Japan, Britain and Germany (the last two of them operated from the territory of China) worked with the highest command staff of the Red Army by any means, including wives.
      The same situation developed on the western border of the USSR, where the Romanian "siguranza" and the Polish "defensive" ate their bread for good reason.
      1. Agasfer Lukic
        Agasfer Lukic April 23 2018 18: 58
        +2
        Well, if so, then they would give 10-taiga, but to shoot ex-wives ....
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 23 2018 19: 01
          0
          Quote: Agasfer Lukich
          if so, then they would give 10-ka taiga

          It is somehow strange to talk about the adequacy of the punishment that the government applied, surprised to find betrayal and treason, both "adhering" to the Soviet regime and their close relatives.
          Judged according to the Criminal Code of the USSR.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 26 2018 13: 21
            +3
            The Criminal Code of the USSR never existed. There were CC of the Union republics. And there were no articles about punishing the former wives of "enemies of the people."
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 23 2018 14: 22
    +2
    Quote: BAI
    The Red Army lost 960 people, while 650 people were killed on the Japanese side.

    In general, the reason is, of course, strange. In the Finnish war, losses were greater and the ratio of losses was worse, however, no one was shot from the top leadership (the command of 44 divisions is not the top leadership). Most likely, Hassan is a reason for covering something else.

    Or rather, "under the bite". And that there was such a DIRTY fuss, it was 4%
  13. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 23 2018 14: 49
    +1
    Quote: Fisher Martin
    Quote: Olgovich
    If he is right, WHY the Communists (including you) do not come up with demands to demolish monuments to any lazo, yakirs, blucher, rename the streets of melons, fenders, ants-oats?

    And why should I advocate the demolition of monuments? And in general, in my city, for example, I did not meet street names in honor of the comrades you listed. wink
    Quote: Olgovich
    He had no choice: how else could he explain to the people that thieves were solid spies and traitors: taking Zimny ​​Antonov Ovseyenko the traitor, the first Soviet commander of the Headquarters Krylenko-counter-revolutionary conspirator, chairman of Tsentralta Dybenko-ameroshpien., Lenin’s guard Zinoviev, Kamen Bukharin and others are ardent enemies of the people? "Where to go to the poor peasant?" (C)

    Come on, some of these personalities fell under the hot hand and not deservedly, some were justly punished. Here, the fate of each person should be considered separately by historians, it was clear who for what. hi

    Fischer Martin, (one in two persons: the chess player Fischer and the famous Martin Luther) You + for: "part of these personalities fell under the hot hand and not deservedly, part is quite fair", it is really necessary to consider each person separately: at that time " the good manners "to cling to everybody" American spy or Martian spy '", and now it is time to constantly understand. I am sure some were perpetuated in vain in the names of streets or squares.
  14. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 23 2018 16: 01
    +3
    Blucher is not a unique person, but like 80% of people of that era, judge for yourself: a person with a very mediocre education is promoted to commander and pounds enemies with a higher education, as for Spassk, everything is not unambiguous there, as a military minister of the Far Eastern Republic, he had to be both a diplomat and a soldier. There, he copes with his duties, being a military adviser that, especially in China, he was again a diplomat and soldier .. At that time, a military adviser was much more difficult than advisers in the 70s. Then he began a "star disease" (often happens), + began to "gargle," and you have to be careful with this. Perhaps if he was moved lower, and a strong-willed commander was placed over him ....
    The fact that he was spinning some tricks with Rykov and K. N. is not surprising: he began to delusions of grandeur, and thus needed a reliable "man with a gun." But besides these tricks, the investigation had ts hints that he’s “spinning tricks” with yaps (Kremlev and Martirosyan have one;), and that’s already ...
    He would be shot, then shot for lesser things. But what the hell his ex-wives shot, and the latter escaped with a "slight fright" is not logical.
    If you believe the state security veterans, V.K. during interrogations, and Tukhachevsky, they tried to bring their wives under the tower, and SM .. Budyonny loved to attend the executions of the wives of Blucher, Tukhachevsky and others. If this is true, then at least it is not beautiful.
    The Kremlin writes that Voroshilov commanded the execution of convicted generals in 1937-38. Perhaps S.M. is true
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 3 May 2018 12: 45
      +1
      Rykov was from 1922 to 1930 the head of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, that is, the Soviet government. And he was considered an associate of Stalin and Lenin. What was criminal in dealing with him?
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 23 2018 16: 11
    +6
    In the Red Army, large and even very large losses
    never considered the reason for the execution or punishment of the commander.
    The main thing: "persistently attacked, accomplished feats, sought to win."
    How many died - nothing. The commander usually received the order and promotion.

    So - Hassan has nothing to do with it. It was the usual Stalinist "night of long knives."
    Under which came the marshals and generals - both good professionally, and bad, and devoted to Stalin, and more independent.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 23 2018 18: 06
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      In the Red Army, large and even very large losses
      never considered the reason for the execution or punishment of the commander.

      Tymoshenko in 1942 was removed just for too much loss.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      So - Hassan has nothing to do with it. It was the usual Stalinist "night of long knives."

      Read the Order of the USSR Non-Profit Organization dated September 4.09.1938, 0040 No. XNUMX. It really all starts with significant and unjustified losses, but they are only the result of the actions or inaction of the commander of the KD Front.
      And then comes a list of these actions / inactions, which led to its removal in the midst of fights.
      a) it is unacceptable to criminally take soldiers from combat units to all kinds of extraneous work.
      b) the troops came to the border on combat alert completely unprepared. The untouchable stock of weapons and other military equipment was not pre-scheduled and prepared for handing over to units, which caused a number of egregious outrages throughout the entire period of hostilities. The head of the front and the commanders of the units did not know what, where and in what condition weapons, ammunition and other military supplies were available;
      c) all branches of the army, especially infantry, found themselves unable to act on the battlefield, to maneuver, combine movement and fire, to apply to the terrain, which in this situation, as in general under the conditions of D [distant] B [remnant], is full of mountains and hills, is the ABC of combat and tactical training of troops.
      Tank units were used ineptly, as a result of which they suffered heavy losses in the material part.
      Only after repeated instructions by the Government and the People’s Commissar of Defense to stop the criminal mess and eliminate the disorganization in the command and control and only after the Commissar appointed Comrade. Stern was commanded by the corps operating near Lake Hasan, a special multiple demand for the use of aviation, which Comrade Blucher refused to enter the battle under the pretext of fearing defeat of the Korean population, only after Comrade Blucher ordered to go to the scene of events Comrade Blucher took over operational leadership. But with this more than strange leadership, he does not set clear tasks for the troops to destroy the enemy, interferes with the combat work of the commanders subordinate to him, in particular, the command of the 1st Army is actually removed from the leadership of its troops without any reason; disorganizes the work of the front-line command and slows down the rout of the Japanese troops on our territory. At the same time, Comrade Blucher, having traveled to the place of events, in every possible way evades the establishment of continuous communication with Moscow, despite his endless calls through the direct wire by the People's Commissar of Defense. For three whole days in the presence of a normally working telegraphic communication, it was impossible to get a conversation with Comrade Blucher.

      And how to finish:
      All this operational "activity" of Marshal Blucher was completed on August 10 by giving him an order to draft 1 ages into the 12st Army. This illegal act was all the more incomprehensible because in May of this year, the Main Military Council, with the participation of Comrade Blucher and at his suggestion, decided to call only 6 ages in wartime on D [distant] In [ostok]. This order of Comrade Blucher provoked the Japanese to declare their mobilization and could drag us into a big war with Japan. The order was immediately canceled by the People's Commissar.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 23 2018 18: 10
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And how to finish:

        Commander G.K. Zhukov, who arrived at Khalkhin-Gol with an inspection of the tactical failures of the Red Army at the beginning of the conflict, had to "bring to mind" the situation in the Far East.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 23 2018 18: 19
          +3
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Commander G.K.Zhukov, who arrived at Khalkhin-Gol with an inspection of the tactical failures of the Red Army in the beginning of the conflict, had to "bring to mind" the situation in the Far East.

          At Khalkhin-Gol, the Center took the lead, preoccupying itself with first-hand information and a reliable channel for bringing its decisions to the local "field commanders"And premonition did not deceive him:
          Since May 29, they cannot achieve the full introduction of covert command and control ... The reason for this is that, despite promises, until now forgotten commander codes have not been delivered from winter apartments
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 24 2018 12: 29
        +3
        "Tymoshenko in 1942 was removed just for too big losses" ///

        It also happened. But not often. For example, Rotmistrov was only verbally scolded at the General Staff for a failed attack near Prokhorovka (the entire tank reserve of the Red Army was lost), which almost destroyed the already won Battle of Kursk.
        Only Chernyakhovsky managed to finally drive Rotmistrov to the rear position in 1944.
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 26 2018 13: 24
        +2
        Tymoshenko was removed, but not shot and not even stripped of his rank. And in the future he enjoyed respect and respect.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 23 2018 18: 07
      +2
      Plus - the lack of a real picture of the state of affairs in the Far East at the Center:
      Instead of honestly devoting all his energies to liquidating the consequences of wrecking and combat training of the KD Front and truthfully informing the People's Commissar and the Main Military Council about shortcomings in the life of the front troops, Comrade Blucher systematically, from year to year, covered up his obviously bad work and inactivity with reports of successes, the growth of combat training of the front and its general well-being. In the same spirit, he made a many-hour report at a meeting of the Main Military Council on May 28-31, 1938, in which he hid the true state of the KDF troops and claimed that the front troops were well trained and in every way combat ready.

      That is why, by the way, the next conflict in those parts was immediately directed sovereign's eye in the form of an unknown GKZH. And, as it turned out right there - not in vain.
  16. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 23 2018 17: 12
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: Monarchist
    Regarding V.K.Blyukher, I agree, and the execution of ex-wives and younger brother is EXCELLENT to say the least.

    You judge from the point of view of today .....
    Based on the saying that “a night cuckoo has a day's snack”, attention to wives was not casual. The intelligence of Japan, Britain and Germany (the last two of them operated from the territory of China) worked with the highest command staff of the Red Army by any means, including wives.
    The same situation developed on the western border of the USSR, where the Romanian "siguranza" and the Polish "defensive" ate their bread for good reason.

    In this case, our police and investigators are at least lazy: instead of revealing REAL FACTS, what did they do? That's right: they hooked everyone in a row. It reminds me of a Vietnamese proverb: "to scare a monkey, they kill Veronica"
  17. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 23 2018 17: 24
    +2
    Quote: Monarchist
    Svp, actually V.K. Blucher was not shot. His two wives, a daughter and a brother, were shot.

    I apologize: it was Tukhachevsky’s wife and daughter who were placed, and I confused Blucher
  18. midshipman
    midshipman April 23 2018 18: 37
    +5
    Dear Ilya, it is now difficult to talk about who was to blame for that war with Japan. I can note that, along the lines of Wife Blucher's wife, during the Civil War, her uncle was the artillery commander. Yagunov I.A. Shot in 1937, rehabilitated in 1954. Member of the party since 1912. From 1930 to 1934 he was the director of the Kronstadt Marine Plant (this information is on the site of this plant). After 1934 he commanded in the Black Sea Fleet, where he was arrested. My father, who created heavy artillery in Leningrad, spoke very badly about Marshal Kulik. My mother and I found this information in our father's unsent letters that we found in our apartment in Leningrad on Nevsky Prospect when we returned to Leningrad in 1944 after lifting the blockade. My grandfather also fought on Lake Hassan (along the line of my mother) in 1904. I visited there in 1987 and bowed to my grandfather.
  19. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 23 2018 19: 16
    +3
    There are recollections of the general who, after Blucher, led the district. For the case he was shot, for the case ... Far Eastern troops were not ready for war. From the word at all ..
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 24 2018 10: 41
      +3
      Quote: Dzafdet
      There are recollections of the general who, after Blucher, led the district. For the case he was shot, for the case ...

      In a normal state, if a person does not cope with his duties, he is fired, and not shot. Punishment can only be imputed for negligence, which entailed serious consequences for society. Blucher hardly deserved the death penalty.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 26 2018 13: 26
      +1
      Stern, who succeeded Blucher, was himself shot and did not leave his memoirs. Stern Apanesenko, who replaced Stern, died during the war and did not leave his memoirs either.
  20. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 23 2018 21: 01
    +4
    Regarding the personalities of Blucher and the recently discussed Dybenko.
    All the heroes of our fairy tales had to pass “Fire, Water and Copper pipes”, and in life - a person must pass the trials, difficulties, hardships and life shocks (water and fire), then the test of glory (copper pipes). Marshal Blucher, the commander of Dybenko, the heroes of the civil war passed “fire and water”, did a lot to establish Soviet power, but, unfortunately, they did not pass the test with “copper pipes” (glory). From a quick take-off, they were dizzy, they would have given way to young, more literate people in time, but - alas - they did not want to give up their position, the government was dragging on.
    And the end of the 30s. It was very different from the 20s, a new equipment appeared in the army, new types of troops that required new thinking from the military leaders in order to solve new problems, and they were not ready for this, therefore, in order to stay in their posts, they hid the actual state of affairs.
    At the same time, one felt underestimated, the other imagined himself above the general secretary, and therefore they made contacts with the opposition, which, in order to win, attracted popular heroes to their side, and therefore offered them high posts in the future government.
    In both cases, the People’s Commissariat of Defense carried out inspections, as a result of which both were removed from their posts and charged with negligence for negligence, and there their relations with the opposition burst out ...
    The time was severe, the laws were severe, the demand for the collapse of the business was also severe ...
  21. mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb April 23 2018 23: 35
    +2
    Take-off is fast - like all agents of influence! Until Stalin reached the conspirators.
  22. mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb April 23 2018 23: 38
    +1
    quote "Based on the saying that" the night cuckoo will eat a day ", attention to the wives was not casual. The intelligence of Japan, Britain and Germany (the last two operated from the territory of China) worked with the highest command of the Red Army by any means, including wives."
    And now, too - recent examples - Gorbachev, Eltzer and modern ...
  23. Referent
    Referent April 24 2018 04: 25
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Fisher Martin
    I don’t care, I'm not from these above cities and I don’t get itchy from the fact that these streets are named after Lenin or Sverdlov. it by you the white civilian fan in the head did not end, and here you are whining about "Russia which did not exist."

    What lane are you responsible for? yes
    On "YOU" at school did not learn to communicate? Learn if it's not too late yes
    Quote: Fisher Martin
    Prosecutors and judges sorted out then and sentenced. Documents simply for these cases are not yet open and not all submitted to the public

    Not THEN figured out when they were shot, and THEN, when they rehabilitated ALL.

    No man - no problem! smile
  24. Prometey
    Prometey April 24 2018 07: 39
    +4
    Many sources emphasize that the death of Blucher was a natural consequence of the brutal torture and beatings that the marshal suffered during his eighteen-day sentence.
    Torture is a heinous act of man that can only be carried out by cowardly sadists. Trash they are trash.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 24 2018 09: 16
      +2
      Quote: Prometey
      Many sources emphasize that the death of Blucher was a natural consequence of the brutal torture and beatings that the marshal suffered during his eighteen-day sentence.
      Torture is a heinous act of man that can only be carried out by cowardly sadists. Trash they are trash.

      good
    2. Conserp
      Conserp April 24 2018 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: Prometey
      Blucher’s death was a natural consequence of the most severe torture and beatings

      And the moon is made from cheese.
  25. Whispering in the night
    Whispering in the night April 24 2018 15: 15
    +1
    Almost all members of the family of Vasily Blucher were repressed. His first wife, Galina Pokrovskaya, was shot, the marriage with which ended in 1924, i.e. 14 years before Blucher’s arrest. The second wife, Galina Kolchugina, was also shot, and the third wife, Glafira Bezverkhova, was sentenced to 8 years in prison camps. Blucher's brother Pavel, who served as the commander of an air link at the headquarters of the Air Force of the Far Eastern Front, was also shot.

    God be with him, with Blucher, a man for which he fought, ran into something, not a pity, but for what both ex-wives were shot? And the third for 8 years for what? And brother to the wall for what? Stalin's creatures!
  26. NF68
    NF68 April 25 2018 17: 15
    +1
    The fact that Stalin just didn’t take anything and decided to first arrest immediately 3 marshals of the Red Army and then they were convicted just like that, well, I can’t believe it. At that time, the Red Army was loved and revered, and no one would take a barrel of known substance on it and on the highest leadership of the USSR.
  27. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 April 26 2018 15: 47
    +1
    After rehabilitation, streets, settlements, schools, motor ships were named in honor of Blucher.

    Once upon a time, I studied at the Khabarovsk secondary school N2 named after V.K.Blyukher. At the entrance to the lobby was his bust.
  28. Edvid
    Edvid 21 May 2018 07: 36
    0
    Speech in the Duma of V.V. Zhirinovsky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5RpWUDbMUs